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Ongoing anger issues surface; Rick and Shonna call in a relationship specialist.
(Season 2, Episode 25)
(Season 2, Episode 25)
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00:00You
00:15You know everybody's on eggshells waiting for Chuck to lose it. He's just out of control
00:23When he feels like he's been wronged then he can't think logical if we are gonna coexist here
00:30We need help and we need it now
00:33Good morning, this is Rick Sadler. We came across your website
00:37We were searching for someone that may be able to assist us with some issues
00:42Revolving around the lack of anger management going on here in the workplace
00:47Doctor the main problem I see is my father. He's an explosive individual
00:52Can you come in here and and actually help us?
00:55I would be happy to do that
00:57This is when you are really angry
00:59angry
01:13You could be headed for the serious strike now you make the scene all day
01:18But tomorrow they'll be held to pay
01:20Beauty, talent, fame, money, find my top skill and brain
01:24But all the things you tried to hide will be revealed on the other side
01:30I
01:32Didn't tell anybody but Shauna and I talked to this woman who's a doctor and she does anger management
01:38So she's coming in here today because we all have anger management issues
01:42Okay, I wanted to talk to everybody, but I wanted to talk to Chuck
01:46I mean, I don't think Chuck thinks he has an anger management problem. Is that why he's not here?
01:50Do you think I have anger issues?
01:52See, honestly
01:54Yeah
01:56I think that Emily and Shauna and I will be very open to Dr. Goodell's probing and John will be non-responsive
02:04Chuck, Rick and I could use the anger management probably the most here
02:08And then Shauna not only has a few issues
02:11Shauna is angry that she can't retire
02:14Rick, I don't think has anger management but anger issues
02:20When somebody says to me or else, I have to find out what the or else is
02:25I'm not going to let it go until I find out
02:27David, he flies off the handle sometimes
02:29I don't know anything about this doctor that asked me if it should be done during business hours, I'd say no
02:34Hi Dr. Goodell, hi I'm Shauna
02:44It's a pleasure to meet you
02:45Pleased to meet you
02:46Thank you
02:47Why don't we just come right back here
02:49Hi Dr. Goodell, I'm Rick Sadler
02:51Hi, it's a pleasure
02:52Nice to meet you
02:53Good evening
02:54Thank you for coming
02:55You're welcome
02:56Come on back
02:57What would be most effective is to ask everybody individually what triggers anger for them
03:03Let's start with Emily
03:05One thing that frustrates me is she can be really flaky
03:08He thinks I'm disorganized and flaky but he's very wrong
03:11The only thing that bothers me about Shauna is that she's non-confrontational except when she's pushed to the limit
03:18I love Rick but we were raised family, family, family
03:22And sometimes I protect my family when I shouldn't
03:25Why do you got to run this like a dictatorship?
03:27Are we going back to the deal about Melissa again?
03:29What about Melissa?
03:31Melissa is my ex-fiance
03:33Do you still have feelings for Rick?
03:35No
03:36Do you still have emotional feelings for her?
03:38Yes
03:39That's going to be very difficult for the two of you to work together
03:41Yeah
03:42I can't even say anything to you right now, I'm so angry
03:45Alright
03:46Alright, John, as a result of the divorce that he's going through
03:49John has become someone unreliable as well
03:52Rick, John's on the line and he wants to know if he can take the day off
03:56Yeah
03:57He calls in sick all the time
03:59It bothers me that everybody here seems to work their ass off but Rick tends to sit in the office
04:05Uh, who's next? Chuck
04:07Chuck
04:08He doesn't seem to be able to interact well with his family or with me
04:12My dad has treated and continues to treat perfect strangers above and beyond his own family
04:20What do you think triggers his anger?
04:22Just about everything
04:23You wouldn't have an education, then write properly
04:26I think we've covered everybody
04:28Everybody?
04:29Oh, yeah, David Moravey
04:31Okay, doctor, so what do we want to talk about today?
04:33I would call him obsessive-compulsive and ain't all retentive at the same time
04:37When I get frustrated here the most is when people are getting late or they're getting distracted
04:42When everyone may be going in their personal lives
04:44It needs to stay out of the office
04:46Describe for me a most explosive situation
04:50What prompted us to call you was last week Chuck felt that he was shorted some hours
04:56And it just went crazy from there
04:58You're getting pissy with me
05:00What are you crazy?
05:01My dad in this last outburst was wrong
05:03Rick may have been wrong in what he did
05:06But the way that my dad handled it was even more wrong
05:09Get in your car and leave
05:11That's psycho talk, babble
05:13Since this last episode I am like through with him
05:17I know my dad already feels terrible about what, how us kids were raised
05:22Even though he doesn't do anything differently now
05:25But I don't, why, why make him feel worse?
05:29Why do you feel so inclined to save him?
05:34Because beneath it all he's a good hearted person
05:39I love him but I hate him
05:41Without mistakes there can be no forgiveness, right?
05:45Right
05:46Without forgiveness there can be no love
05:49Okay doctor, thank you so much, I appreciate it
05:52You're welcome
05:53I'm looking forward to having you talk with him
05:55Okay, open heart, open heart
05:57Okay
05:58That's all I ask
05:59So what's going on here is everybody's wounded
06:02And actually they're kind of slowly killing each other
06:06And it's just gonna end in disaster
06:08Unless every single one of these people makes a choice to change
06:15Especially Chuck
06:21I'm Dr. Ava Caddell, it's a pleasure
06:23I've been talking about you all morning
06:25Yeah
06:26Yes
06:27Is that why my ears would burn?
06:28Yes, yes
06:29What makes you angry at work?
06:31What triggers, what triggers your anger?
06:33Are you sure you wanna get involved in this now?
06:35Sure
06:36Your daughters are beautiful
06:37When they're nice to me they're wonderful
06:39So do you use this?
06:42Oh yeah
06:43Yeah?
06:44Does it help?
06:45Yeah, my trainer always said
06:46This isn't a bag, this is somebody
06:48Right
06:49This is who you wanna
06:50Her
06:51Yeah, you know
06:52There's times where I'm caught off guard
06:53And that's when I get real upset
06:55Right
06:56Hell yeah
06:57I noticed Shauna is very protective of you
07:00She can be mean to me though
07:01But you allow it
07:02Well what am I supposed to do?
07:04If you say, Shauna, I love you but what you're doing right now is hurting my feelings
07:09Rather than yelling at her or
07:11No, no, it's the other way around, she starts with me
07:13She yells at you
07:14Oh, you gotta hear her
07:16But yeah, but yeah
07:17And Emily does the same thing
07:18And then of course, there's chemistry
07:21I have with the guy that runs this place
07:24Rick
07:25Yeah
07:26And he got involved with my daughter which was a big mistake
07:30He betrayed my trust
07:32But it takes two
07:33I would love for you guys just to let the past die
07:37I've already done this
07:39And it hasn't worked
07:40A couple times, no
07:41It hasn't worked because the nature of the beast
07:43Continued betrayal?
07:44Yeah
07:45Thank you for sharing that with me
07:47I do appreciate it
07:48Thank you, doctor
07:49Just call me Ava
07:51She's cute
07:53Chuck is gonna be a tough case
07:55There's no doubt about it
07:57But you know, sometimes people don't realize how abusive they are until they hear it
08:02I plan to teach them all some anger management exercises and hopefully that will have an impact upon their behavior
08:11I think this might get a little ugly
08:14I was just enchanted with the doctor
08:19She's strong, professional, driven
08:23Yeah, I think she's great
08:25I don't like the group idea
08:26But
08:27You might actually have to interact with Chuck or something
08:29The problem is
08:30I don't think Chuck and Rick can sit down and resolve anything because it's gonna turn into a fisticuffs
08:36From what I can tell
08:38He doesn't want a damn thing to do with me either
08:40Now I know there's been a lot of friction
08:42There's a lot of conflict
08:44I'd like to go round the room
08:47And I'd like everybody to express weaknesses and strengths that they see in each person
08:53We're gonna start with John
08:55Rick
08:56I think John's biggest strength is the level of compassion that he shows the families that we serve
09:01And I've never seen any weaknesses in you until the last few months
09:05But right now you're stressed to the max and you're not paying attention to detail
09:09I've been in the business a short time compared to everyone else
09:13But John is really good at what he does and has all the qualities
09:17One sentence
09:18I'm doing this, not you
09:20Okay, let's just, okay, let's go back
09:23Emily
09:24Yeah
09:25Why did you feel like you needed to interrupt your dad?
09:27Because he'll go on and on and on because he really likes John
09:30It happens all the time
09:31For f*** sake, okay
09:32Well, no, this is why we're here
09:34All three of them do this s***
09:35Then maybe you should listen
09:37First of all, did you think about the consequences?
09:40No, I didn't really think about the consequences because to me it wasn't rude
09:44I just was one sentence
09:46But do you see how it's created some animosity now?
09:49Yeah
09:50The consequences are totally unproductive
09:52Sure
09:53Oh yeah, no
09:54All right, anyway
09:55So John is very good at what he does
09:57Yeah, John is very good at what he does
09:58He's gonna be very successful
10:00On the downside, he's a lazy little bastard, that's all
10:03Okay, well
10:04Pretty simple
10:05Okay, fine
10:06What do you see as Rick's biggest strength and his biggest weakness?
10:09Sometimes you think you know me better than you do
10:11And sometimes it pisses me off
10:13He always says you're non-confrontational
10:15Chuck
10:17Could be a good guy
10:18And buzz
10:20That doesn't work for me
10:21I'm sorry
10:22No, you're avoiding the question
10:24There's too much time, in my opinion, you spend talking, BSing
10:28You tend to wanna deal with the situation with an individual
10:32You do it in front of a crowd
10:34Chuck, you're in the hot seat
10:36Let it rip
10:37Okay, David
10:38You take too long in doing things
10:40You're abrupt as hell
10:41You bristle at authority
10:43Particularly when it comes from me
10:45You need to separate personal from professional
10:49I just see that it's a shame that you do your job, you do your job well
10:54But that anger explosion stuff
10:57It just ruins a lot of your good qualities
11:00Okay, I wanna do a bit of role playing
11:02You are gonna communicate through the puppets
11:04It lowers your inhibitions
11:05It's just easier when you have something to speak for you
11:09Rick, I'm gonna have you and Chuck role play
11:12Uh oh
11:13I'm not sure that's a good idea
11:16Pick a puppet for Rick
11:18Rick, pick a puppet for Chuck, please
11:22Rick, you're Chuck
11:23And you're bringing up the conversation
11:25You wanna create resolve because this is your business
11:29And it's bad for business to have a negative attitude every day
11:33You wanna create resolve because of your family all working here
11:38And you wanna be able to separate personal life
11:41From work life
11:43We have to find some resolution to work together
11:47Without involving our personal lives
11:49We can't go on the way we're going
11:51Okay, so what do you propose?
11:53Well, I think that the first thing we should probably do
11:55Is go have lunch and talk on a personal level
11:59And try to resolve some of the issues that are between you and me
12:04Well, you've expressed the way you think and feel about me already in the past
12:09So I don't see what that could possibly resolve
12:13Well, I think that's where you're wrong
12:15I think that we can find some resolution if we can sit down and talk calmly
12:19Yeah, we could do that
12:21It might help
12:23Okay, let's do that
12:25Good, let's give them a hand
12:27I'm gonna bite your ass off
12:29Good, you know what?
12:30That's called progress
12:31Yeah
12:32Everything in life is negotiable
12:34The main thing is to always think win-win
12:37Thank you very much, Rick
12:39You're welcome
12:40And Chuck, thank you
12:41You're welcome
12:42I'm gonna share with you some stress breaths
12:43I'd like you to stand up for this
12:45It's called the dragon breath
12:47This is when you are really angry
12:49When you exhale, you're gonna stick your tongue out as far as it will go
12:54Out
12:57Out
12:59Okay
13:00I got a smile out of Shauna
13:02I have to use the bathroom
13:03Thank you for being such a good sport
13:05Yeah
13:06You're great
13:07I think that Dr. Goodell has definitely perfected her techniques
13:10You know, in some small way it allows you to step outside yourself and act through the puppet
13:17Realistically, there definitely could be a meeting place with Chuck and me
13:22But the fact is, it probably won't happen
13:25We could go out to dinner, we could go out to lunch
13:27I still don't have that trust that I would have with someone else
13:31I personally think that Rick is envious of what Chuck has
13:36With the girls
13:37And I think Rick is frustrated that Chuck doesn't see that
13:42And the fact is that Chuck could learn a lot from Rick
13:46I guess, you know, I'm not that old that I can't change, that's for sure
13:51But I don't know
13:54I think Chuck is the most resistant of everybody
13:57It's really hard to get him to just open up
14:00And learn something new
14:03The doctor wants to do some kind of thing with me
14:06And my two sisters and my dad
14:09And the thought of going in there and fighting with him
14:12Is just like, I don't want to do it
14:14I'm looking forward to this, yes
14:19Yes
14:20I believe that the family definitely has pressure to the dysfunction of this workplace
14:26Hi, what's up?
14:28So I'm hoping that we can dig deep
14:30Where the daughters can really tell their dads
14:33All the hurtful things that he did and how it's affected them
14:37My problem is I'm afraid to get me, Emily, and Missy in the same room with Chuck
14:42Obviously, she wants me to talk to dad about how the anger I felt growing up
14:48In my opinion, I don't think talking to him is going to change it, I just don't
14:52I think they are all pretending to be busier than they really are
14:56They're avoiding the deep dark therapy
15:01I'm hoping that with open honesty
15:09We are going to bond more as a family
15:11There's going to be more understanding of who needs what and how
15:17Chuck
15:18Yeah
15:19So I would like you, with your puppet, to address each individual daughter
15:27And tell her how she disrespects you and how you would like her to respect you
15:33Okay, you disrespect me when you, what?
15:38Do you, do you have to respond like that?
15:40All I'm asking you is just to keep it down, there's a family in the hallway, okay?
15:43Okay, we're, you know, see I get distracted
15:45I know, sweetie
15:46You disrespect me when you yell at me
15:52We start to talk and next thing we get in an argument
15:54And then you, you sound like a siren winding up
15:57And then you're at the top of your lungs
15:59And then hanging up on me
16:01That's also just, yes you do
16:03Now what?
16:04That was very good
16:05Now, how can she make you feel more respected?
16:08You kiss me
16:09You hug me
16:10You seem to be very concerned about me
16:13And that is all I'm asking
16:16Okay
16:17Would you do the same with Melissa?
16:19Melissa, when you don't kiss me
16:22Or you give me your cheek
16:24Don't be
16:25She's not five years old, dad
16:26But Sean, honey, don't
16:28This is his time right now
16:30Would you please tell her what she does
16:32That makes you feel very respected?
16:34She's always concerned about my kitty
16:37Grabs my cleaning
16:38When you do show me attention
16:40I really appreciate it
16:41Good
16:42Let's talk to Shawna, the wise owl
16:45When we have a problem around here or something
16:47And I'll call you at home
16:49Or you'll call me and say
16:50What happened?
16:51And then you won't even let me explain
16:53It's almost like you don't believe what I say
16:55And what I say doesn't matter
16:56Good
16:57And your dad's very sensitive, obviously
16:59He needs love
17:00He doesn't have somebody in his life right now
17:02So he needs more from you
17:04So now let's turn the tables a little bit
17:07I'm gonna start with Emily
17:09I would like you to tell your dad
17:11About an experience
17:13Where he really hurt your feelings
17:16There's been numerous things
17:18But probably the worst was on Rick's birthday
17:24When you were yelling at Ramsey
17:27Hey Ramsey
17:29What?
17:30I want you to be a smart ass
17:31You understand?
17:32Dad, was that even necessary?
17:33He gets mouth to you
17:34You're gonna die an old, lonely man, okay?
17:38And somebody's gonna murder you
17:39The way your mouth is
17:41I love Ramsey, you know that
17:44You know that, Aunt Emily
17:46I mean, come on
17:47It's my baby
17:48You're so fucking mean to him all the time
17:50You are, Dad
17:51You're terribly mean to that poor child
17:55All I ever wanted was a family that I loved
17:58I know that
17:59I know that
18:00But you guys don't get it
18:01They do get it, Dad
18:02You don't get it
18:03I didn't have a brother or a sister
18:05But it doesn't matter
18:06I didn't have it
18:07Don't punish your daughters for something that happened to you
18:11And don't punish your grandson
18:13Because he's having a better childhood than you did
18:15Nobody speak but Melissa
18:18Okay
18:19You know, Dad, I love you
18:22But do not treat me like you own me
18:26And that you can talk to me
18:28Any way that you feel like it
18:31You know, Chris by face could be in a
18:34A minute
18:35I want to spend time with you
18:37But the minute you start doing that to me
18:39I just shut down
18:41Man, poor Chuck
18:43I feel for him
18:44But it needs to be put out in the open
18:46Because they're speaking the absolute truth
18:48Shawna, go for it
18:50The one thing that I cannot stand
18:53Is when you lower yourself to a common thug
19:00You took yourself out of the gutter 40 years ago
19:04And then you throw yourself back in there
19:06For some reason
19:07I think you sabotage each relationship with us
19:11Because it's like
19:12If everything was good and there was no fighting
19:15You wouldn't know what to do with yourself
19:16She's absolutely right
19:18You don't feel worthy to have this beautiful family
19:21I never did
19:22I didn't feel it
19:23I deserved
19:24I know that
19:25What I had
19:26You deserve the best
19:28From this day forth
19:29You have the ability to change that
19:33I want to thank you all for being so open
19:35And you know, you guys
19:36You have a good man here
19:37He's just
19:38He got off the track
19:39That's all
19:40That's why
19:41That's why we haven't done like some families
19:43You haven't abandoned him
19:44You just completely abandoned him
19:45Exactly
19:46You guys, I'm really sorry
19:47I'm going to be late
19:48I have to go
19:49Okay, dad
19:50Love you
19:51Bye
19:52Emily, don't forget your man
19:53Okay, you guys love you
19:54See you
19:55Woo!
19:56Poor dad
19:57We just nailed him
19:58Like she said
19:59She never wanted to listen to anything
20:01So I think it worked fabulous
20:03Alright doctor, thank you so much
20:04Thank you sweetie
20:05You're great
20:06So are you
20:07Thank you
20:08You've got a really good head on your shoulders
20:09Thank you
20:10Just don't take on everybody else's problems
20:12I'm going to work on that every day
20:14Okay
20:15It just floors me
20:16Because there are certain issues that my dad has never been able to get
20:21She seems to be getting through to him
20:23I think for the first time realizing and understanding what his kids have been trying to tell him for 30 years
20:28Good luck
20:29Thank you
20:30To be honest with you, I feel like I was blindsided
20:33I had no idea
20:35And I'm just sorry that I hurt these kids, these girls
20:39I think the session went very well
20:41I think there were some breakthroughs for Chuck especially
20:44I think that he feared the obvious but didn't want to face it
20:49And today he heard it
20:51And so it confirmed his worst fears
20:54And they are that he was
20:57And still is
20:59A bad father
21:00But he can change that
21:02He has all the tools he needs to be a great father
21:06I do understand what she says
21:10About reverting back to my old way of thinking
21:13Bam
21:14You know, you try and forget the past
21:16And then all of a sudden it dredged it all back up again
21:18And now I'm
21:20Now it's a matter of, you know
21:24Trying to forget it
21:26And try to make things better
21:29Wake up call
21:31Big time
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