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Proverbs 14:15-16 ESV
15 The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.
16 One who is wise is cautious and turns away from evil, but a fool is reckless and careless.
A chiasm in a parallelism in Proverbs 14:15-16.
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15 The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.
16 One who is wise is cautious and turns away from evil, but a fool is reckless and careless.
A chiasm in a parallelism in Proverbs 14:15-16.
Grief and joy. Wisdom and foolishness. The Common Sense Bible Study crew looks at Proverbs 14 and what verses hit them the hardest and puzzle them the most.
From Jay Carper at Common Sense Bible Study (https://CommonSenseBibleStudy.com) and American Torah (https://www.AmericanTorah.com).
This content is free, but I accept contributions via Paypal at https://jaycarper.com/paypal.
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00:00verse 1 the wisest of women builds her house but folly with her own hands tears it down
00:08whoever walks in uprightness fears the lord but he who is devious in his ways despises him
00:13by the mouth of a fool comes a rod for his back but the lips of the wise will preserve them
00:18where there are no oxen the manger is clean but abundant crops come by the strength of the ox
00:23a faithful witness does not lie but a false witness breathes out lies
00:30a scoffer seeks wisdom in vain but knowledge is easy for a man of understanding
00:34leave the presence of a fool for there you do not meet words of knowledge
00:39the wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way but the folly of fools is deceiving
00:45fools mock at the guilt offering but the upright enjoy acceptance
00:49the heart knows its own bitterness and no stranger shares its joy
00:52the house of the wicked will be destroyed but the tent of the upright will flourish
00:56there is a way that seems right to a man but its end is the way of death
01:01even in laughter the heart may ache in the end of joy may be grief
01:06the backslider in heart will be filled with the fruit of his ways and a good man will be filled
01:10with the fruit of his ways the simple believes everything but the prudent gives thought to his
01:15steps one who is wise is cautious and turns away from evil but a fool is reckless and careless
01:20a man of quick temper acts foolishly and a man of evil devices is hated
01:26the simple inherit folly but the prudent are crowned with knowledge
01:29the evil bow down before the good the wicked at the gates of the righteous
01:33the poor is disliked even by his neighbor but the rich has many friends
01:38whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner but blessed is he who is generous to the poor
01:42do they not go astray who devise evil those who devise good meet steadfast love and faithfulness
01:49in all toil there is profit but mere talk tends only to poverty but the crown of the wise is their
01:55wealth but the folly of fools brings folly a truthful witness saves lives but one who breathes out lies
02:01is deceitful in the fear of the lord one has strong confidence and his children will have a refuge
02:08the fear of the lord is a fountain of life that one may turn away from the snares of death
02:13in a multitude of people is the glory of a king but without people a prince is ruined whoever is
02:19slow to anger has great understanding but he who has a hasty temper exalts folly a tranquil heart gives
02:26life to the flesh but envy makes the bones rot whoever oppresses a poor man insults his maker but he
02:32who is generous to the needy honors him the wicked is overthrown through his evil doing but the righteous
02:38finds refuge in his death wisdom rests in the heart of a man of understanding but it makes himself known
02:43even in the midst of fools righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people
02:50a servant who deals wisely has the king's favor but his wrath falls on one who acts shamefully
02:55four questions which of these proverbs speaks to you what puzzles you what surprises you and what offends you
03:02we will get to that here in just a second but there is a couple of things i wanted to point out
03:08in verses 15 and 16 both of these verses are antithetic parallelisms on their own
03:16but then together they're also an antithetic parallelism a single one i changed the wording
03:21on some of these because i'm trying to get more to what the words mean i compared multiple
03:26translations and looked at the hebrew words behind them so i'm pretty sure this is still an accurate
03:31representation of what these two proverbs mean but i did choose the wording especially to emphasize
03:37the connections between them so in verse 15 the gullible believes everything the prudent considers his
03:44steps in verse 16 the wise is cautious and eschews evil a fool trespasses carelessly
03:51in each one of these it's the action that is connected in the parallelism so believing everything
03:58is contrasted with being cautious and avoiding evil and considering his steps is contrasted with
04:05trespassing carelessly so the esv says but a fool is reckless and careless
04:11king james version has the fool rage up and is confident that that word for rage up a bar
04:21means to pass over or away or through something or or to transgress and i think it is deliberately
04:28being contrasted with the prudent who is considering where he's walking so the prudent person watches
04:33this step the fool doesn't care where he walks and it's not just that there's a parallelism here
04:41there's also a chiasm in the same verse if you look at the person who's doing the actions or the
04:47person that's being talked about it's formed into a chiasm the fool is on the outside and the wise man
04:52is on the inside so the gullible believes everything and the fool trespasses carelessly same person the
05:01prudent considers his steps and the wise is cautious same person the wise and prudent on the inside
05:08gullible and fool on the outside and this is really just like so almost all of these proverbs are
05:12antithetic parallelisms where they're contrasting the behavior of a fool with the behavior of the wise
05:18man all right volunteers who wants to go first anybody have any verses that spoke to you
05:25need to be obvious but you know the one we always quote to everybody verse 12 is the one that
05:32speaks to me because i'm always trying to get ahead of the lord when i plan stuff and
05:40just give give you an example this morning normally when i first wake up you know before my feet hit the
05:46floor i sit on the side of the bed and pray this morning i was just kind of out of sorts so i didn't
05:53and everything that possibly could go wrong did and i know that's but as i was i had to go and get
06:00two tires for my mom's car and on the way down the road i was praying lord give me favor with whoever
06:05i come across today it was just a beautiful thing that happened i won't tell the whole thing but
06:10it's just you know that verse has always kind of helped me to slow down
06:16to try and wait on guidance it is a good one it says a whole lot i think that one verse
06:25just about summarizes the entire book of proverbs what about you daniel any thoughts
06:31any particular proverbs that spoke to you or do you want to comment on that one
06:35a different one something that spoke to me was verse 13 i think right not the one he said even in
06:42laughter the heart can be sad and joy may end in sorrow that's the cjb but i'm reading out of
06:52complete jewish so that just seemed kind of i mean yeah you feel that one yeah it's just you can be
07:04laughing inside and still be sad and even your joy may end in sorry i think it's connected to the
07:11previous verse isn't it verse 12 maybe or is it separate to itself well you know i don't think
07:19that any of these proverbs are really placed randomly i think whoever it is that arranged them
07:25put them where they are on purpose i don't know exactly what they were thinking but i'm pretty sure
07:30it wasn't random yeah i don't think it's random it's just it's odd because it's between one verse that
07:38says what he just said what robbie was talking about and then it's behind the verse of a backslider is
07:45filled in his own ways but a good person gets satisfaction from himself that may be more tied
07:53together the last verse 14 and 13 may be tied together i'm not sure but anyway but my point was that
08:03the laughter in the heart can be sad that just you know you look at people that are
08:10that are comedians or people who are always laughing and those are some of the most people that are sad
08:18most of the times you know on the inside they're the people that are depressed robin williams yeah like
08:26robin williams exactly this right here is telling me this is temporal this laughter and this joy is
08:33temporal because it's not the joy of the lord as in the scripture says the joy of the lord is my strength
08:41this is talking about worldly laughter and worldly joy i think as well and it can end in sadness and
08:50sorrow because sad is of course the opposite of laughter you're crying sorrow i think is more into
08:58depression more toward that angle and grieving depression and grieving um but uh it's just
09:08interesting that i've seen this with like robin williams even when somebody tells you somebody's died
09:13sometimes you'll laugh about it like in disbelief it's just one of those that's what happened with
09:21my granddad somebody and it wasn't even their place to tell me i was at school the teacher that told me
09:28before my parents did and they said my granddad had died and i just laughed at her because i wasn't sure
09:35that that it had even happened and he of course had committed suicide and yeah and i was at school
09:44and this is like close to when not too long after 9-11 happened this was the november after 9-11
09:53and that laughter is it's either a mockery laughter a disbelief laughter or just something that just
10:01worldly very worldly situational i don't think that we ever exist in any single emotional state i mean
10:10we are complicated beings and we can have in sorrow all the same time we can have anger and kindness and
10:19we can have hate and love all at the same time all directed to the same person oh yeah at least talking
10:25about emotions even even with actions you've heard of a backhanded compliment like you can be
10:31kind and mean to somebody at the same time yeah like i don't think that's really what this is
10:36talking about but you know there's a verse verse 30 a tranquil heart gives life to the flesh but envy
10:44makes the bones rot and this is actually the one that i put for offending me because this this concept
10:51really kind of irritates me and part of that goes to what you're saying here daniel and i think this
10:57verse really does apply to uh even to spiritual godly joy and sorrow because a tranquil heart gives
11:07life to the flesh and it's talking about your inner peace will create inner health if you are a happy
11:12person you will tend to be healthier and if you are sad conflicted angry whatever that's going to show up
11:21in health problems the problem i have with it is that if you are fearing god and you are really trying
11:28to live a righteous life and understand god's ways how can you look at the world around us and not be
11:36angry and distressed by it and so there's this conflict and it's like how can i have a tranquil heart
11:43in this world and isn't that just setting me up for failure ultimately there are ways you know to be
11:51happy even in the worst circumstances you know talks paul talks about being content even though he's in
11:56prison and nobody cares enough to help him but he has learned to be content in whatever circumstance
12:03god puts him in and i'm certain that the roman world was way worse than ours right now ours is pretty
12:10bad but we still have scriptures easy at hand everybody knows or at least has heard of the
12:19ten commandments everybody has had some instruction in a bible-based morality because it infuses our
12:25entire culture even if a large part of our culture is in rebellion against it but they can't rebel against
12:31something that isn't there in rome they didn't even have that they had a thoroughly pagan culture
12:38culture it had no concept of the one true god and yet you know paul was in prison he was beaten he was
12:48stoned still he said he had peace so i'd like to be there someday i think it's having that feeling of
12:57the ruach the holy spirit that makes the difference there because i just had a remembrance god brought this to
13:06my mind i know this is from a secular source but the struggle between if anybody's ever seen the movie
13:13the matrix the scene where neo the hacker is fighting against this agent who's part of the system the
13:21computer system he's fighting a computer program is what he's doing and he's struggling he's getting beat
13:28up and all this stuff but then something happens and he realizes that he's fighting a computer program
13:37and he's not fighting a human being he's not fighting flesh and blood he's fighting against something else
13:43that's not human and then in that instance he's able to defeat him because he's able to see past the
13:53physical into another realm or into another for what it really is so i just thought that was
14:03applicable applicable yeah that is a good connection but yes my thoughts thank you
14:12if you're available to speak sarah is there any particular verses in here that stood out to you
14:18is especially meaningful for me it's the first one because i've experienced the difference between
14:25the first and second half of verse one
14:28yeah me too being a woman i've been the one to feel like i'm going to end it all and i've been the
14:35one to step back and say no i'm what am i doing this is wrong and quietly win it all back the right
14:42way so i could either build it or i could tear it down and to me that's extremely huge because every
14:49moment of every day with my son with my daughter it's building up not only my house but their houses
14:56one day or tearing them down by giving them you know it's it's not just my own it's my children you
15:02know and their future houses and it's a very huge passage for me it's not just two lines in my world you
15:08know yeah yeah and there there is a lot there i mean if you look back i think it's at proverbs 8
15:15where it talks about where profana personifies wisdom and foolishness as two women and contrast
15:21them and how the woman wisdom builds her house and you know she's hewn out her seven pillars and
15:27she's she set the table and set this big fancy feast and the theme behind it is that she's looked at
15:34the details she's prepared ahead of time she is she has not been waiting for anything to happen but
15:40she's been making it happen and she is preparing her house for guests so it's not just for her it's
15:47for the people who live in her house and the people who will be invited in compare that with the foolish
15:53woman who sits in her door but yells at people from her doorway and says come you know come and drink
15:59some stolen water and bread and won't that be great like over here i've got this fancy house
16:06with a great feast and spiced wine and over here i've got stolen bread and water sitting in a doorstep
16:13i'm not sure what the attraction is even with the virgins that have oil and have not
16:19are you prepared are we preparing are we tearing up our house are we building it up are we readying
16:24ourselves for the bridegroom what are we doing yeah you know i know that until we get to proverbs 31
16:31this entire book is written from the perspective of a father speaking to his sons or a king speaking
16:37to his subjects depending on how you want to interpret that but mostly we assume that it's
16:42solomon or some other king speaking to his sons giving them advice on how to live
16:48but a lot of the advice he gives is about choosing a good wife and so although the lessons are directed
16:55at men there is a target there that he creates for women also then the reverse happens in proverbs 31
17:04where this is about the ideal woman but there's a whole lot there you can learn about the man who
17:10creates an environment that this woman can become the proverbs 31 woman and we'll we'll get there and
17:16talk about that what is that like three three four months out in the future now but we'll get there
17:23all right paula did you have any verses that stood out to you in here so verse four where there
17:30are no oxen the manger is clean but much revenue comes by the strength of of the ox is what my
17:38translation says and that really struck me probably
17:42because of some things that are going on in my life and some things i'm contemplating and
17:48it made me think about the fact that you can have a clean manger but you know like oh an ox keeps
17:54things dirty you know you have to clean up after it but it's also very productive and so you can kind of
18:03choose to avoid the mess or you can actually gain something from the animal that you're that you have
18:14or that you're taking care of and i thought that was really interesting the way that it was worded
18:18because it just makes me think about like a lot of the decisions we make when we start to do a cost
18:22benefit analysis sometimes we don't want the responsibility or the mess that might come
18:29but we're never going to get the benefits of it either so it just struck me
18:35yeah i gotta wonder when some project is too clean too orderly i have to wonder if anything
18:40is really being accomplished or if it's just progress is so slow that you know if we just sped
18:47things up and just started acting you know it might be messy there might be a little bit of chaos
18:52chaos but we sure get a lot more all right so puzzles what verse puzzles you you know all of
19:00all the ones that i chose are somehow at the very end of the chapter i'm going to verse 33
19:06wisdom rests in the heart of a man of understanding but it makes itself known even in the midst of fools
19:13it's not really i think the verse itself that was puzzling me but the difference in translations
19:19you know the english standard version is supposedly a fairly literal translation
19:26but i've noticed that in the proverbs and psalms you know places where the translation can be very
19:30difficult that's where it really diverges from others in this verse wisdom rests in the heart of the
19:39discerning and even among fools she is known that's the tree of life version and young's literal
19:45in the heart of the intelligent wisdom doth rest and in the midst of fools it is known all of these
19:51kind of say the same thing although they're using different words but the king james seems to be saying
19:58something completely different wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding but that which
20:04is in the midst of fools is made known that which is see that it's in italics and this is the other
20:11translation that i went to first after i read the esv and that's what kind of confused me it's like
20:17why would there be such a difference until you realize that these three words aren't actually in
20:22the hebrew wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding but in the midst of fools
20:28it is made known and this is one of those principles that if you pay attention to people
20:35if you let them talk long enough and if you let them act long enough they will show you who they are
20:42if you're paying attention you know a fool makes himself known by his folly and a wise person a
20:49person of understanding makes himself known because of his prudent decisions and even in the midst of
20:56fools a fool may not know another fool that's which is one of the reasons why they get themselves into
21:01so much trouble they can't recognize the foolishness in somebody else and so they join forces and make
21:05things even worse but they usually recognize that a person is wise they don't recognize it enough to
21:13follow their advice but they can say that person's got a lot of wisdom i'm not going to listen to him
21:21there's a big disconnect there i don't understand how that happens well i mean i do because ever we're all
21:26there sometimes i can look back at times when somebody gave me good advice and it was only years
21:33later that i realized that i was given good advice even though all along i knew that this person knew more
21:38than i did and was much wiser had a lot more experience but because i thought i knew better i ignored that
21:49you know that advice and made a bad decision experience is the best teacher of wisdom i think
21:55you can study and talk forever but until you actually do your wisdom is just academic it's just
22:02knowledge sometimes doing requires failing anybody else anybody else puzzled by anything in this chapter
22:11sarah i mean i kind of get it but it would be really nice to hear maybe someone else a verse four
22:18where there are no oxen the manger is clean but abundant crops come from the strength of an ox i mean
22:23i kind of get it but can you maybe help me clarify that the way that maybe you would explain that
22:28please because i've heard that before this was the one that paula brought up is speaking to her in
22:34it's really about if where work is getting done where things are being accomplished there's going to be
22:39mess you can't as a mother with small children i'm sure you're aware that if you've got kids around
22:45there's going to be a mess if the house is clean it's clean for about 10 minutes and it's the same
22:52with any big enterprise this was written in an agrarian culture and that makes total sense they
22:59knew about oxen and stuff like that the oxen is what they use to plow their fields and that was the
23:05major that was their tractor and in our world you know i live out in the country in a bunch of ranches
23:12and i drive down some of these back roads and you know you see barns
23:18the wealthier properties their barns are all in great shape but most properties they've got outbuildings
23:23that are falling apart they've got tractors parked under trees they've got stuff everywhere and it's
23:28because they just don't have the time or the resources to clean up after themselves they've got
23:33too much work to do and i think that's true in any really productive enterprise that clarification i
23:41kind of thought maybe that's what it's saying but parts of it just the way that it's written you've
23:45got to kind of interpret some of those things robbie was there something you wanted to say
23:50verse 19 is the one that i don't know if it puzzles me understand that times were different back
23:58then you know i kind of wonder if i'm not reading it wrong or whatever but and then you know of course
24:06verse 20 right after but you know the evil bow down before the good i get the wicked at the gates of
24:13the righteous part but the evil bow down before the good it must have been a different
24:18society back then yeah it goes back to that that thing about the proverbs is that they're about
24:25principles rather than rather than precepts and this is the ideal but also i think that tense
24:35i mean i don't mistake anything i'm saying about hebrew and to think that i actually know a bunch of hebrew
24:41i have a smattering of hebrew vocabulary grammar i know next to nothing but tense seems to be a
24:49complicated thing in hebrew that a lot of times in scripture something can be future or present tense
24:56and you can't really tell from the text and if you look at the at other translations here like young's
25:02literal the evil have bowed down before the good and the wicked at the gates of the righteous
25:08but the tree of life evil men will bow down in the presence of the good so there's not even an
25:14agreement among translators about whether this is past present or future my tendency is to interpret
25:21this as future because that fits with my idea of eschatology that eventually evil men will bow down
25:29before the good and the wicked at the gates of the righteous even though right now the wicked own the
25:34gates so where are the gates of the righteous i'd like to know that we know that they're at the
25:41gates of the new jerusalem those are certainly the gates of the righteous but we can't see that right
25:45now the wicked won't even see that gate does that make sense yeah i think also there's the general
25:53principle that over time evil people tend to weed themselves out and there are a couple of places in
25:59this chapter where it talks about wicked people get wickedness back if you know whatever you do it
26:04comes back to you right you know yeshua talked about this too that whatever you sow that's where
26:09you're going to reap and so you look at people who live a wild life well they they tend to die young
26:18wicked people tend to die younger and tend to be poorer than righteous people but you know that's not a
26:26hard and fast rule i mean obviously you can look at the most wealthy people there i don't see a whole
26:32lot of righteousness there and you look at the poorest people and i don't necessarily see a lot
26:39of wickedness there either they're people are just people but i think there's another verse verse 24
26:46the crown of the wise is their riches but the folly of fools is foolishness
26:50that is a little seems a little redundant in that last part folly of fools brings folly which is
26:56even worse in the esv but that first part the crown of the wise is their wealth and it the word for
27:03wealth really does mean material riches and wisdom frequently brings material wealth making good decisions
27:13from day to day does make a person better off that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be rich
27:19rich but they will be richer than they would have been if they weren't wise and there was something
27:24specific about this oh yeah i think that this really illustrates that principle i don't remember who
27:30wrote it you know some historian or politician or something said this but hard times make hard men
27:37and then hard men make good times good times make weak men and weak men make hard times and it's this
27:45same cycle you can contrast this idea that the crown of the wise is their wealth with statements
27:52that yeshua made and that james made about wealthy you know how difficult it is for a rich man to get
27:58into heaven because he's got so much baggage with him set aside the lie of the the needle and the camel
28:03thing i'm not really sure that our traditional understanding of that is correct but the idea is correct
28:09that all of these responsibilities of the world and our wealth tends to get in our way
28:13uh these things are barriers to righteous living but this wealth was usually accumulated through
28:21following the principles of wisdom and righteousness hard work dedication discipline
28:27even a person who hates god can follow these principles and gain a lot of wealth
28:32but then once that wealth is gained it promotes licentiousness wicked behavior which then destroys the wealth
28:41and then you start the cycle all over again it's a a dirty stable with a bunch of ox in it it's a mess
28:50verse three puzzled me i had seen a couple things i didn't notice before about verse three i think the word
28:58fool used in that in the hebrew is evil it's actually spelled evil in hebrew i thought that was interesting
29:07interesting i've never seen in the hebrew usually someone who is evil is spelled ra with r-a i mean r-a
29:17but i mean transliterate is r-a but a fool is evil if you think about it i mean it's just kind of
29:27i'd never seen nothing like that before that just blew my mind and then and it says he sprouts pride
29:34the twig the twig the word for sprout is like twig or branch and that that was interesting as well and
29:43but what puzzled me even more was that the lips of the wise protect them
29:48that was just something that puzzled me i've never seen where wisdom protected
29:59is that talking about wisdom protecting fools i think it's the wisdom protecting the wise
30:06or the lips of the wise yeah okay yeah and this is another verse where the the english standard version
30:16is not so literal it differs from some others but sometimes people that are wise or really wise
30:23don't take their own advice and stuff and it doesn't protect them i mean they'll speak wisdom but then
30:31they turn around and do the opposite of that wisdom it's very hypocritical of
30:37people like even solomon for example solomon who wrote this he spoke all this wisdom but he ended up
30:45falling back into the very stuff that he spoke against how could you have that knowledge and that much
30:54wisdom and fall into the same exact traps that you spoke against over and over over and over on the other
31:03hand despite all of solomon's bad decisions he did live to an old age i mean he was involved in very few
31:10wars by what wisdom he did have the way he did it was probably not the best or what definitely was not
31:17the best but he did use his wisdom to form alliances with a lot of neighboring kingdoms and he gained peace
31:24peace for israel on an economic and a military level his wisdom did protect both him and the nation at
31:31least from physical threats he brought in a lot of idolatry with those same treaties
31:38so that's kind of a double-edged sword there i hate to say this go ahead sorry i hate to say it but
31:46he almost sounds like a bill clinton type of israel yeah i suppose so the first part of this verse
31:55by the mouth of a fool comes a rod for his back that's how the english standard version reads yeah but
32:00king james in the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride which seems to be saying it's worded very
32:07differently i think the meaning is the same this is one of those instances where the esv is a very
32:12loose translation but i think it gets the meaning right because by the things that the fool says
32:19he earns himself a rod that stick it's not talking about a stick that's growing but a stick that is
32:24cut off and used to beat him with whereas by the the things that a wise person says he protects himself
32:31and it's you know because he says that knows how to say the right things to the right people
32:35where the fool is always saying the wrong things to the wrong people getting himself into trouble
32:42so this is like the teacher taking the stick to the person who just said something very foolish or did
32:48something very foolish yeah and i think literally what it's getting at is the end results of the foolish
32:55things that a person says you know if you say something insulting to somebody you might just get a
33:01a beating oh yeah yeah definitely yeah some a lot of the wisdom in proverbs is
33:11it's like things that we all know it's very obvious but he puts it in a way that really makes
33:16you think about it and so it's one of the reasons that proverbs are used because they you know the
33:23either the cadence or the the imagery that they use really help cement those things into your mind
33:31all right anybody else i was just noticing something that i just mentioned to my mom and my stepmom
33:39i saw the whole i saw the phrase talk is cheap i saw it right here in all toil there is profit but mere talk
33:46depends only the poverty i was like oh no that's talk is cheap right there in the bible there's a lot
33:52of phrases you hear in common table talk that you don't even think about and then you're reading and
33:58you're like this is where it came from and it doesn't even occur to you until you actually read it
34:03yeah a lot of those things are maybe direct quotes from benjamin franklin or some other writer
34:09but the principles came from scripture you know somebody like ben franklin is homeschooled he
34:16was educated from the bible that was his textbook same thing with george washington and thomas
34:21jefferson all these really smart people the founding fathers were all educated from the scriptures they
34:26didn't always follow what scripture say but that's how they learned and so a lot of the things that they
34:32say a lot of the principles they wrote into our constitution came from scripture because they couldn't help
34:39but base things on the scripture it's what they knew it had been pounded into them from the youngest age
34:47how about the what surprises somebody else anything sneak up on you that you weren't expecting i mean
34:53besides that one which is a good one i think verse 28 snuck up on me it surprised me um
35:02i think if i'm correct the word the the subject there the king is the same is the same in the
35:11following line i don't know what you would say stanza or line or what you would call it but it says a
35:18king's glory lies in having many subjects if the print and mine says prince's people are few
35:26it is in his room but it's actually a ruler i believe correct it's talking about the same person the
35:32same and i was not expecting that i thought it was too different at first glance but it's talking about
35:39the same ruler the same yeah i think that yeah the king and the prince here are the same i think
35:44yeah yeah that surprised me i wasn't expecting that king is melek and the prince is the razone
35:53not familiar with that word yeah razone just means ruler i think
36:00it's just a way of saying it i think that's what surprised me i was thinking it was gonna say
36:05melek again but it doesn't it says razone instead which seems very similar to the word rap zone but
36:14i know that's a different word it did surprise me i wasn't expecting that when i looked at the hebrew
36:20on it how do you think that this idea actually affects the way that kings and rulers of all kind
36:26behave if you look at the vast kingdoms and their multitudes of people in their kingdom
36:34you see them being more successful you look at empires like
36:38rome you look at even israel had a bunch of people for some time until they got into a civil war
36:47but you look at any vast empire of the mongols the list goes down the line the more people you have
36:54in your kingdom the more likely is prosperous and successful because i guess the the amount of money
37:04i mean when you're when you have a kingdom you take tribute from people of all your subjects and
37:11the people of the land have to pay you tribute in some way that's the way i always understood it
37:16and so they would pay tax or a tribute or whatever the decree was they would have to pay to the king
37:24so if you have less than that then you're definitely not going to have a kingdom that's going to last
37:31very long and i think people like napoleon knew that and they weren't necessarily trying to be
37:39at first i don't think they were necessarily crazy i think they went crazy because they got their heads
37:44full of power and greed and all that which does corrupt people but i think they did understand that
37:53if you're going to have a successful rule as a king the more people the better but yeah definitely
38:03this reminded me of romans 13 and i'm going to take this verse as my springboard to get political
38:12so i think every tyrant no matter how authoritarian no matter how hard they are on the people to some
38:21extent they still have to be good to their people you can't be totally evil and maintain your power
38:28no matter how tyrannical somebody gets the people still have to be fed you can't raise an army from
38:35people who are starving to death you have to have enough food to keep them going to build your weapons
38:41of war to run your industry and demand the army so i mean even though you look like somebody like
38:47stalin stalin stalin murdered millions of people because of his political policies but he still
38:54managed to feed millions more he still punished murderers even though he was one he still managed
39:01mostly to keep the peace within the soviet union even though the people were oppressed and you know paul
39:09wrote romans 13 he wrote it to a mixed group of gentiles and jews in the city of rome and i don't
39:17know who was the emperor at this time nero was the one who was famous during paul's lifetime and he was
39:23not a good guy but during his lifetime most romans loved him they thought he was a great ruler and it's
39:32because he had policies that favored the economic growth of rome he brought lots of wealth he brought
39:39lots of good things to the roman people even though he himself was a depraved maniac and if he had been
39:47totally evil if he had abused his own people starved them destroyed the economy he wouldn't have lasted
39:54the people would have rebelled and that's true for every government the government has to give something
40:00back to the people or the people will take their support away and the king can't rule without at
40:05least some support of the people that is the ultimate source of every ruler's power is the
40:11people that he rules over well ultimately the source of all power is god but god puts the rulers over the
40:18people and they derive their power their ability to do anything from those people and in our modern
40:26world that is still true but you look at a lot of the things that are happening with you know the world
40:32economic fund and gates and soros and uh you know covet and the vaccines and all this crazy stuff
40:40that's going on what i call the techno mafia big companies like cisco and microsoft and apple and facebook
40:48and twitter all of these companies actively colluding with each other and the government to control what
40:54people can speak and where they can go and even what they can think because they get people when
41:01they're young enough that they can mold their minds and get people to believe things that are absurd
41:07they can what they're really working towards is the ability to imprison people to force you to think the
41:14way they want you to think to force you to do whatever they want you to do and even die if that's what
41:19they decide for you without you having any ability to withdraw your support or to coordinate with other
41:28people who oppose them that is the ultimate goal to turn every person essentially into the batteries
41:36of the matrix now we're not literally going to be plugged into a computer but that's how they want to
41:43treat us the technology and the laws around technology are being crafted to allow them to do that to
41:52sidestep this principle that a ruler gets his power from the people when they are no longer accountable
41:59to the people that they rule they can do whatever they want don't know what to do about that i know
42:05that there are some people who are trying to change that but i don't necessarily trust those people
42:10either you know people like elon musk who bought twitter and has revealed a whole bunch of stuff
42:16that you know we all knew but couldn't prove well he proved it he showed it to us donald trump who i also
42:22don't trust showed us a lot of things that were going on behind the scenes we need those people to even
42:29though they're not good people we still need them to be able to fight that system and you know ultimately
42:35this is in god's hand god is going to the whole world is under his control he steers the course of
42:42history not the united nations or the world economic fund or any of those people they are just tools in
42:49god's plan but the world has the potential to become a very dark place in the near future and there's not
42:56a whole lot the average joes like us can do about it i agree with you completely the greatest prison
43:03i think to me is the prison of our own minds if they can lock you up in your own mind lock you up in
43:12situations black male internal struggles with all the medicines the pharmaceuticals if they can lock you
43:21up in so much of your own problems and occupy your mind and then they move on to the next person and the
43:30next person and the next person until they have almost everybody under the same situation where
43:37they're all feeding off of the where they're desperate and they're willing to feed off anything they can
43:45to survive and i think that's when they got you that's when they ultimately have got you
43:51but here's the thing though like you say god is in control god is the one who brings freedom and
44:00justice and light reveals the darkness it only takes a remnant even though the darkness gets darker we have
44:10to get brighter that's that's the goal for us as believers we agree and paul paul was a light in the
44:19darkness he went into the toughest places in rome and he was in the face of the emperor himself
44:28basically teaching the words of yeshua but he lived despite being tortured to death and all that stuff
44:36i think this is something i'm going to do a study on is fear i'm going to do a bible study on fear
44:43because fear seems to be the thing that is most misunderstood with people both believers and
44:51non-believers what fear really is and i think fear in this instance there's two types of fear there's
44:59godly fear and then there's the worldly fear and the worldly fear gets us concerned and worried over every
45:07little thing that's going on around us the godly fear is the internal fear that we fear our creator
45:16and we bow down to him we're prostrate before him in our minds and even in the physical
45:24i think you're exactly right everything around us seems to be going in a direction that's
45:30leading to a technocracy where it's controlled by technology who can manipulate it better who can
45:37run the table we've got to either wake up or we bow down i mean that's just what it's going to be
45:44so yeah i think you've really hit on the solution there the solution of course is to put your fear and
45:50trust in god not in man or technology when they try to control your mind when they try to force you to
45:58believe things that are not true and to drug yourself so that you can't tell anymore just to keep saying no
46:07and the more people who will refuse to believe that two plus two equals five that a y chromosome
46:13equals a woman the harder it is for those people to ultimately control everybody
46:20and the larger proportion of us average joes that they don't control the less real power they have
46:28in the less power they have to control other people who don't know better so as long as you can see
46:34reality as long as you can tell the truth from a lie stand on the truth fear god not man amen
46:43that while you're talking about the fear of the lord verse 26 was a is a good one you have the fear
46:49of the lord in the fear of the lord one has strong confidence and his children will have a refuge
46:54i wondered about the meaning of his children will have a refuge in the first thing that came to mind
47:00is that a man who fears god he believes in justice he believes in righteousness his children can come to him
47:09for good advice for physical protection even you know financial help whatever it is they need
47:14they can come to him and if he believes it will help them then he'll give it to them if he believes
47:20it will harm them then he won't and so in that way he is a refuge to his children but it actually goes
47:25more than that the things that he taught them before they left his house are also a refuge for
47:31them outside of his house you know for one his reputation follows them if they stay in the same
47:37community because people know their father and know that he is wise that reputation will be inherited
47:43by his children to an extent i mean eventually everybody is judged by their own behavior and their
47:49own words but people will give you the benefit of the doubt if they know your father or your both
47:54your parents and they are good people but those things that you teach your children even if they
48:01don't stay in your community they're going to take that with them they might rebel all children do
48:06eventually they rebel in some way but on the whole raise up a child in the way that he should go and
48:13when he's old he won't depart from it again principles not laws those commandments those principles
48:19that you teach your children when they're young those things are a refuge for them when they're old
48:24and that goes to the same principle if enough parents are teaching their children
48:31when they're young it gets harder and harder for tyrants to control them when the government
48:37believes that they own your children and they educate your children for you they are not going to educate
48:44them to into the fear of god you know even if it starts that way it's not going to end that way
48:49they are going to teach your children to despise god to despise your values because they're not
48:57interested in you or in what's right or wrong they're interested in creating batteries for the
49:02machine and that's it exactly right i think you hit the nail on the head i think that strong confidence
49:11is on the fact that the children are going to obey that obedience is what gives them refuge i think
49:19and and the first name that came to mind was noah noah built the ark out of obedience and fear of god
49:27and they took refuge in what he constructed that god told him to construct out of obedience
49:36so that his children his children took refuge because of his fear of god he was that righteousness he was
49:45righteous in all his generations and that righteousness involves fearing god i believe
49:54because you can't i mean if you don't have the fear of god you can't be righteous
50:00there's no turning to god for anything if you don't have the fear of god that is true
50:07hey you know two out of three of noah's children
50:10took that refuge into their old age too just another point on the idea that the proverbs
50:17are principles and not laws because ham shem and japheth were the three children
50:22shem and japheth were as far as we know were righteous men ham obviously was not
50:28so there are no guarantees there these are tendencies not laws of the universe all right so
50:35what speaks to you puzzles you surprises you or offends you anything else that anybody wanted to
50:41talk about i think i covered all four for me verse 25 actually is one that i think is worth
50:49talking about the king james version is a very popular one in evangelical circles a true witness
50:56delivereth souls but a deceitful witness speaketh lies it is true that a true witness for
51:05a witness for god a witness for yeshua is going to deliver souls from condemnation
51:12that is definitely true i just don't think that that's what this verse is talking about
51:16in a way it is because satan is the accuser he's the false accuser he wants to accuse people of
51:23whatever crimes he can come up with whether they're actually guilty or not
51:27in the second half is talking about false witnesses a false witness comes to court and he's
51:33going to try to get somebody condemned a true witness comes and delivers that person from the
51:38false witness and that's what's really happening here when it talks about souls the word is nefesh and
51:44it's talking about the person's life so a true witness delivers or a true witness rescues lives
51:52and you know one of the things we can derive from that is that if you do have knowledge of a crime
51:56you need to speak up you can't be silent because somebody may end up being convicted wrongly if only
52:06you know the wrong people step forward if you know what really happened you saw it
52:11you need to say something that's also in torah if you witness a crime you are responsible to be a witness
52:18now it doesn't necessarily mean that you need to go to the police and say you know somebody did this
52:23bad thing you don't have to be you don't have to be the tattletale of the neighborhood but if somebody
52:29is accused of a crime and you have knowledge of it then you need to be there whether they did it or
52:35they didn't i got a question um real quick on that same verse 25 is that you said that word
52:44was nefesh for soul which actually is what i've learned about that is nefesh is spirit is that
52:54correct well it's it's can be translated as soul as in the whole the entire being so like when we
53:03talk about a ship sinking at sea we say 20 25 souls were lost what it it's really talking about the
53:10entire being sometimes it's translated as the flesh or the body sometimes as soul if something
53:16is if it's talking about a spirit specifically then it will usually use the word ruach i think there
53:24might be another word or two that are used there too but nefesh either means the entire being
53:29or the flesh one of those two okay which of course includes the spirit because the spirit is a part of
53:36your being yeah we this gets confusing in english because we use the term soul and spirit interchangeably
53:44yeah and neshima that's another term that gets confused between nefesh and neshima i think those two
53:52get confused remind me what is that word neshima familiar yeah it's a soul and it can be between soul and
54:00spirit it's like it can be soul sometimes it can be spirit it can be both so it's sort of like nefesh sort
54:09of but it's kind of like 50 50 used sometimes it's talking about the human soul sometimes it's talking
54:18about the spirit and then sometimes well i take that back 50 50 50 sometimes it's talking about all of it
54:26together like nefesh it's really interesting word neshima is i think it's used in the first usage of
54:33it is in genesis where god breathed into adam and he became a living soul and i think that term is
54:42neshima that is used there for a living soul this one it's oh it is nefesh okay i'm trying to think
54:52first neshima oh here it is in the breath that's the breath that's what i was thinking of the breath
55:02the breath of god yeah and it can be used euphemistically for every breathing creature
55:08so any creature that is alive and breathing right what's interesting about it also is it's a feminine word
55:15that's because god that's supposedly what the feminine aspect of god is is he can create because
55:24he can create life that was one of the aspects of god not that he's female but that he has to give
55:33life like women are able to give life yeah well if mankind is created in god's image then god includes
55:41both masculine and feminine traits and men give life to things with their words and they give life to
55:49both masculine and feminine traits and men give life to children through women
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