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Kings, warriors, scoundrels, and orators. God knows who you are and what's going on in your head.

The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the LORD.
Proverbs 16:1 ESV

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00:00:00Okay. Proverbs 16, God and kings, honey and vinegar. This whole chapter, there's a lot of
00:00:08repetition with just small variations. A lot of stuff about man wants to do this, but God is going
00:00:14to do this, that kind of thing. And also a lot about how to behave with a king, what kind of
00:00:20attitude to take, how to interact with a king or really any ruler and how to talk to people,
00:00:26how to convince people. And all of these things are related.
00:00:30They're all tied together. So that's why I put that subtitle of God and kings, honey and vinegar
00:00:34up there. So let me go to Proverbs 16, one, and we'll begin reading. All right. The plans of the
00:00:42heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord. All the ways of a man are pure
00:00:47in his own eyes and the Lord weighs the spirit. Commit your work to the Lord and your plans will
00:00:52be established. The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
00:00:57Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord. Be assured he will not go
00:01:03unpunished. By steadfast love and faithfulness, iniquity is atoned for, and by the fear of the
00:01:08Lord one turns away from evil. When a man's ways please the Lord, he makes even his enemies to be
00:01:15at peace with him. Better is a little with righteousness than great revenues with injustice.
00:01:20The heart of a man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. An oracle is on the lips of
00:01:26a king. His mouth does not sin in judgment. The just balance and scales are the Lord's. All the
00:01:31weights in the bag are his work. It is an abomination to kings to do evil, for the throne
00:01:36is established by righteousness. Righteous lips are the delight of a king, and he loves him who speaks
00:01:42what is right. A king's wrath is a messenger of death, and a wise man will appease it. In the light
00:01:48of a king's face there is life, and his favor is like the clouds that bring the spring rains. How
00:01:54much better to get wisdom than gold? To get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver.
00:01:59The highway of the upright turns aside from evil. Whoever guards his way preserves his life.
00:02:04Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. It is better to be of a lowly
00:02:09spirit with the poor than to divide the spoil with the proud. Whoever gives thought to the word
00:02:14will discover good, and blessed is he who trusts in the Lord. The wise of heart is called discerning,
00:02:20and sweetness of speech increases persuasiveness. Good sense is a fountain of life to him who has
00:02:26it, but the instruction of fools is folly. The heart of the wise makes his speech judicious and
00:02:32adds persuasiveness to his lips. Gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul,
00:02:37and health to the body. There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.
00:02:42A worker's appetite works for him. His mouth urges him on. A worthless man plots evil,
00:02:49and his speech is like a scorching fire. A dishonest man spreads strife, and a whisperer
00:02:54separates close friends. A man of violence entices his neighbor and leads him in a way that is not
00:02:59good. Whoever winks his eyes plans dishonest things. He who purses his lips brings evil to pass.
00:03:07Gray hair is a crown of glory. It is gained in a righteous life. Whoever is slow to anger is better
00:03:12than the mighty, and he who rules his spirit than he who takes a city. The lot is cast into the lap,
00:03:18but its every decision is from the Lord. Okay, I want to start off back in verse 1.
00:03:26The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.
00:03:31I actually wrote this one down for the proverb that surprised me,
00:03:34and it's not that what it's saying surprised me so much. I mean, the words itself,
00:03:38but how many different ways that this could be interpreted? I read a few different commentaries,
00:03:44and I don't remember what they all said exactly, but they all had variations. I mean,
00:03:49none of them really interpreted this exactly the same way. Some said that God intervenes and makes
00:03:56sure that a man's words are what God wants him to say. I'm not really sure that's true, because if it
00:04:02were, then why would God give us commands about how to speak and what not to say? Another way that
00:04:07this could be interpreted is that the state of a man's heart eventually reveals itself through
00:04:13his speech, no matter how eloquent or deceitful he might be. Like maybe he means to say, he's trying
00:04:19to say this thing, but if you let him talk long enough, eventually God is going to make sure that
00:04:24his real intentions come out. Another possibility is that God knows what a man is planning and rebukes
00:04:31him before he begins. So the answer of the tongue is from the Lord is meaning the Lord's tongue,
00:04:38not his. So he's planning to say this thing or planning to do this thing, but God has already
00:04:45told him what he should or shouldn't do, whether through scripture or a prophet or through his
00:04:50conscience or something like that. And then the fourth way to interpret this that I found is that,
00:04:55and this is what I think is intended by this proverb, whatever a man thinks in his own head,
00:05:01which is kind of what the heart is. I mean, in Hebrew thought, the heart is the seat of
00:05:05the thought processes. Whatever a man thinks in his own head is his own business. But the moment it
00:05:12comes out into the world, it becomes God's business too. And the man will be judged by it.
00:05:17And I want to go to Matthew 12, either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad
00:05:24and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you speak
00:05:28good when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. The good person out
00:05:33of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.
00:05:38I tell you, on the day of judgment, people will give account for every careless word they speak,
00:05:43for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
00:05:47So what goes on inside your heart? I mean, the things that you think,
00:05:52like the ideas that come to you, that shows, that does reveal to God something about the state
00:05:59of your heart. But it's what you allow to come out into the world that really condemns you or
00:06:04honors you. It's what you say to people, what you do to people. So as long as it's just in your head,
00:06:12and it doesn't come out into the world, then on the one hand, it shows that it hasn't really
00:06:17infected your heart. And on the other, it's not something that can be used to condemn you.
00:06:23But once you put it out there in the world, you're giving it to God and saying, here you go,
00:06:27judge me by this. And I think that's really what's being said in this proverb. The plan of the heart
00:06:34belongs to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord. The from kind of doesn't really sound
00:06:40like what I'm saying. But I still like that interpretation. It could be wrong. But I am
00:06:46interested to hear what what y'all have to think about that. Or if you have another idea. No
00:06:52thoughts on verse one? Yeah, that's a good one. I read it. And I think I superficially thought about
00:06:59it. But now that you said what you said, and I'm looking at it, I'm a little baffled by it as well.
00:07:06Now, I get the first part of it, right? The plans of the heart belong to man. I think we've all
00:07:12experienced that we're in our hearts, in our minds, we have an idea of how things are supposed to work
00:07:17out and plan out, but they don't. Then a second part of it, but the tongue's answer is from, you
00:07:25know, God, from the Father. But it's almost to me like, yeah, it doesn't matter what we think our
00:07:32plans are. God has other plans for you. I don't know how it comes out, how it almost seems like
00:07:40whatever comes out of our mouth is it comes from him, but that can't be right either. I mean, if
00:07:46we're spewing unrighteousness, you know, that that can't come from him. Yeah, I think from a hyper
00:07:53Calvinist perspective, and this makes perfect sense, because everybody does exactly what God created them
00:07:59to do. Right. The wicked are created to be wicked. I'm not a hyper Calvinist. I'm not even a light
00:08:05Calvinist. It doesn't really make sense to me if you read it literally. But yeah, that's the next part
00:08:11I was going to say, because they say that it goes back, I think, to, it's one of the verses here. I
00:08:17think it's one of the ones that either surprises me or challenges me. And I think it's the one that says,
00:08:24let's see, not 30, maybe 18. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Number four, where it says, the Lord has made
00:08:38everything for his purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. So it doesn't matter. And I've
00:08:43been thinking about that this week, actually, when I pray, and I'm not sure if I'm right. So when I pray,
00:08:49I say, Father, I know that regardless of what I do, that is going to be used for your honor and
00:08:55glory. I think we can all agree with that. Even if I do evil, somehow, that's going to turn around
00:09:00some way. And it's going to be for his honor and glory. It may not be for my honor and glory,
00:09:05but it's going to be for his. And he can't be, I tell him, I said, Father, I don't want to shame you.
00:09:12And of course, I can't shame him. It's impossible. Right. But at the level that I'm,
00:09:15I'm at this earth plane that I'm in, in my mind, you know, just like you don't want to shame your
00:09:20earthly father. You know, you don't want to shame your heavenly father, but it's impossible. Right.
00:09:25Like, here on earth, if I do something bad, my dad can feel the shame. And people may look at him in
00:09:31a way where it's shameful, like, Oh, look, his dad, that's his dad. But in reality, nothing can be
00:09:37shame to God, because we have free will. But at the end, all those things turn around for his own for his
00:09:42own good, for his own honor and glory. And maybe that's the thing, what it's saying there, that
00:09:47it doesn't matter what's in my heart, when it comes out, it's still the father's answer,
00:09:52because it's still going to work for his own righteousness anyway, for his own honor and glory.
00:09:57Yeah. It doesn't mean that he's controlling everybody and making the wicked be wicked,
00:10:02but it does mean that he's going to take what they do and turn it around, you know, to his own
00:10:06purposes. Yeah, I think in our simplicity, and I'm not saying that's not the case, but
00:10:11in our simplistic mind, it's not like he's like, Oh, you did this, then now I'm going to
00:10:17do this to make everything turn around, because nothing surprises that he works outside time
00:10:22and space. So he already knows what you're going to do anyway. So regardless, he has it
00:10:28all mathematically all figured out to where it's all going to be for his honor and glory
00:10:33anyway, right? And it's like a butterfly effect or six degrees of separation or whatever you
00:10:38want to call it, you know, somehow those things always come back for his righteousness and his
00:10:42goodness. That's why when I pray, I'm like, Father, make sure that I want to make sure that
00:10:46everything that I do, that I'm on the right hand side of your ways, not on the left hand
00:10:53side, I want to make sure that I'm on that straight and narrow path. Because I know that
00:10:57if there's a fork in the road, and I take the left crooked road, that's still going to
00:11:04end up honoring him one way or the other, not honoring me, I'm going to have to deal with
00:11:09those consequences on this earth and on the next life, right? But if I walk that straight
00:11:13narrow path, at least I'm honoring him, and he in return honors me for honoring him.
00:11:19That's good.
00:11:20I think the first three or four are connected together, honestly. The plans of the heart
00:11:26belong to man. Like you say, it was obvious. But the tongue's answer is from Adonai or Shem.
00:11:34The tongue's answer is revealed because Adonai's words reveal the truth of what's going on within
00:11:42the man. Without God's word, we have no way to discern what the plans are that the man has,
00:11:50or the person has. God is revealing through the tongue's answer what the plans of the heart of
00:11:58the man is. And then because it says all man's ways are pure in his own eyes, that indicates a
00:12:06flesh thing to me. Because we don't see our own faults, but God's going to weigh the motives
00:12:13regardless of how we see it. And then they commit whatever you do to Adonai and your plans will
00:12:21succeed. Well, that just tells you what to do with those plans, how to plan those plans, because then
00:12:29they will succeed once they line up with God's word. That's the way I think that's a pretty fair
00:12:37take. And I would throw verse five into that series too. You know, if the wicked do what they do and God
00:12:44makes sure that it, the end result is according to his plan. So if you want to succeed in the long
00:12:51term, then what you do should be in accordance with what you know to be God's plans and you'll
00:12:56succeed. But if you're so proud that you think you know better than God or that you don't believe
00:13:01in God and you can arrange things to come out your way instead of his, then, well, that's not going
00:13:09to work. You can be assured that the proud will not go unpunished as verse five says. Definitely.
00:13:17Okay. Are there any standout proverbs here that anybody wants to get to right off the bat?
00:13:22Otherwise, we'll just go to the four questions. And I guess this really is question number one,
00:13:27which proverb speaks to you. Is there one in particular that resonated with you or that gave you
00:13:35that twist? 18 for me, man, for sure. You know, pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit
00:13:43before a fall. And I think if I look at everything that's going on always in this world, this time
00:13:53now just because I'm living in it, it's pride. Like when I see the news, when I'm around certain
00:13:59people, it's, they're just full of pride, man. Like they haven't done anything wrong. Like everything
00:14:06is, I don't know, like their stuff don't stink, you know? And that's why it's good to read the
00:14:13scriptures because it's supposed to reflect back to you, your transgressions. So as you read this,
00:14:21obviously we shouldn't be judging anyone because we'll be judged by the same measure, but we should
00:14:26be looking at ourselves because even pride, it's a funny one. Like a little bit of pride is like
00:14:34enough just to creep itself in your life. Destruction of it is incredible. I think pride
00:14:42is the gateway drug to other transgressions like greed and everything else, or, you know,
00:14:52other things that I don't even want to talk about. It's, it starts with pride. You think you're
00:14:56smarter or whatever it is than everybody. And it creeps into your life. And next thing you know,
00:15:01it has a grasp on your life. And that's why it's so difficult. I think for leaders in the body
00:15:09to be leaders, and that's why I think that there needs to be this exchange between the body and
00:15:16the leader of, yes, I understand that you're our spiritual head or elder or whatever it may be,
00:15:27but you have to take responsibility of your own self because then they start putting men above God.
00:15:34And then that man, because of us, that man becomes prideful. And now he elevates himself above
00:15:42everybody. And that's where it starts, right? And you see that through the scriptures of maybe David
00:15:49and Solomon and all these men that end up having a big ball. So that thing really does mean. And there's
00:15:59this movement, there's this pride movement we all know about. They hit that hard. You know what I
00:16:06mean? So it's, that ought to say something. Yeah. Well, one thing it says is that it can't last,
00:16:13that it will come down. Yeah. Once you know, thinking that you know better than God,
00:16:18there are no boundaries. You can get into all kinds of trouble after that.
00:16:22You think about some of the examples of pride and falls in scripture. I mean, Babylon is the obvious
00:16:27one. Nimrod or whoever it was that was in charge at Babel was saying, look how great we are. We can
00:16:34build this very big tower. And whether he was building a high place to worship or whether,
00:16:40you know, whatever the thing was, it was about pride. He was trying to make a name
00:16:44for mankind as opposed to God. And so God said, now look what you can't do because you can't even
00:16:52talk to each other. We have spent, ever since then, humanity has been trying to undo what God did
00:16:59through empire or alliances. And now we've got things like, you know, we had the League of Nations
00:17:05after World War I and then of United Nations. You know, all of these organizations that say that
00:17:12they're looking for world peace. Really what they're looking for is world domination. They want to
00:17:17concentrate power of the whole world in the hands of a few because those people believe they know
00:17:22better than God. And that's never going to end well. Nations are part of God's plan. He wants
00:17:30humanity divided because when we are too united, we get into trouble. There's another one, another
00:17:35example. I think it was the King of Babylon in somewhere in Isaiah. I don't remember the exact
00:17:41passage, but it's a double entendre between the King of Babylon and Satan. He's talking about,
00:17:46you know, look how beautiful you are and had all its jewels and you had everything somebody could
00:17:51want, but yet you still wanted more. And so God had to bring you down. And there was a specific
00:17:58passage that, another one in Isaiah, this is a little bit lesser known example. I'm not going to
00:18:06read the whole passage here, but it's 8 through 21. I'm just going to read the first few verses.
00:18:11All the people will know what Ephraim and the inhabitants of Samaria say in pride and in arrogance of heart.
00:18:16The bricks are fallen, but we will rebuild with cut stones. The sycamores are cut down,
00:18:21but we will replace them with cedars. Therefore, Adonai raises up Razin's adversaries against them
00:18:27and spurs on his enemies. They are mans from the east and the Philistines from the west. They will
00:18:32devour Israel with open mouths. For all this, his anger is not turned away, yet his hand is still
00:18:38outstretched. And it wasn't just foreign enemies that God said. He caused a civil war too. Manasseh rose up
00:18:45against Ephraim. So the two brother tribes, the sons of Joseph, had a civil war between them.
00:18:52And I don't remember who it was. Some politician, I think in the 90s, maybe 90s or 2000s,
00:18:58actually quoted verse 9 as if it was a good thing. It might have actually been after,
00:19:03like George Bush after 9-11. I don't remember for sure. But he quoted this,
00:19:07the bricks are fallen, but we will rebuild with cut stones. The sycamores are cut down,
00:19:11but we will replace them with cedars. As if this is a good, inspiring message.
00:19:17And no, God brought these people down. Instead of learning the lesson, they said,
00:19:21oh, we're going to rebuild. We're going to be stronger than ever. And God's like,
00:19:25no, you aren't. And he took away their ability to even rebuild anything.
00:19:31And they were eventually just, you know, invaded by Assyria and scattered across the world.
00:19:35No, I was going to say, yeah, I think you're right. I think it was GW that said that one.
00:19:41Yeah.
00:19:42And it's mentioned in the book, The Harbinger, Jonathan Kahn.
00:19:48Somebody, a lot of people have recommended that book to me. I haven't read it.
00:19:51I've only read one of Kahn's books and I honestly wasn't really that impressed.
00:19:56There's Harbinger, I think. I think there's two Harbingers.
00:20:00He mentions the first Harbinger saying he mentions that George W. Bush said that after 9-11.
00:20:06Yeah. Somebody, you know, it's, it's one thing for Hollywood to really mess up
00:20:09Bible quotations. It's a whole nother thing for presidential speechwriters.
00:20:14I hope somebody got fired over that.
00:20:16Probably got promoted.
00:20:18Yeah, probably.
00:20:20And you still see it now. I mean, you still see people,
00:20:23all kinds of different organizations trying to save us from everything.
00:20:28And it's not even these are like, even at a lower level, I mean,
00:20:31you have teachers and you even have parents thinking that they're the ones that
00:20:36can make a change, you know, and I'm not saying they can't be a part of it,
00:20:40but nothing can be done without the father, you know,
00:20:44through Yeshua and like nothing can be done.
00:20:47I think that even people like when they wake up in the morning,
00:20:49they honestly in their minds and in their hearts think that they can make a
00:20:54difference on their own. And to me,
00:20:57you're not waking up every morning and lay in your day and your hopes and your
00:21:03dreams and your will at the feet of Yeshua,
00:21:07then that's prideful because that means you think you can do it in your own
00:21:12strength. And that's, it's impossible.
00:21:15You're going to get,
00:21:16it may look like it's working out for you and you're going to get to your 60s,
00:21:2270s, I don't know, retirement age.
00:21:24And you're going to feel all proudful, right?
00:21:27Pride that you think you did that just to see it all come down eventually in one
00:21:32way, ship or another.
00:21:34So it's not even all these big organizations that are thinking that they can fix
00:21:39you by giving you something by feeding you something organized in the way things
00:21:44your life should be, but it's even ourselves.
00:21:47And that's why we put these people in these powerful areas because we ourselves
00:21:53are prideful and we think that we can fix what's going on at work.
00:21:57We think that we can fix our marriages.
00:21:59We think that we can fix that addiction that we have.
00:22:02We think that we can do things in our own strength,
00:22:04which in reality we can't that's in our imagination.
00:22:08And in fact, we need to be liberated by that, knowing that, Hey, that's great,
00:22:13man.
00:22:13I don't have to do it on my own.
00:22:15I can come to the creator of the heavens, the earth, and the seas that did
00:22:19everything and just handed it over to him.
00:22:21And then after that, just be faithful and patient,
00:22:24knowing that he's going to work it out for you somehow.
00:22:27Yeah.
00:22:27Good word.
00:22:28All right.
00:22:29So four questions.
00:22:32You're talking about which proverb speaks to you.
00:22:34Does anybody else have one that really tweaked their soul?
00:22:39I just made that up.
00:22:41You can use it if you want.
00:22:43I think there were a few that spoke to me.
00:22:46I think the ones about, there was actually about, they were together.
00:22:50It was about the king, actually.
00:22:52And it's important to know how to be before a king, because that's who we're
00:23:00going to be facing one day when he returns, or we go to meet him in heaven to be
00:23:09judged.
00:23:10The protocol is very, very important to have instilled within us, because we're all
00:23:17going to be on our faces before him, but at the same time, when he asks us questions,
00:23:23or if we go through some kind of questioning or spiritual interrogation, I don't want to
00:23:30be without that protocol instilled within me, because if we break the protocol, we offend
00:23:39him, and it reveals about who we are, the pride, the selfishness, the idolatry within us is going
00:23:49to stick out.
00:23:50He's clearly going to see it.
00:23:53And when he questions us, will we be ready to give the response and to prove that we are
00:24:01worthy for eternity?
00:24:03Do it here and now while you still can, so that when the day comes, you're not upset and
00:24:11worried on that deathbed, you know?
00:24:15Yeah, that aligns well with the, I think it's further down in the chapter where it talks about
00:24:20humility versus pride, and I think it's better to be humble than to be enjoying the spoils
00:24:26with the proud.
00:24:28Oh, yes.
00:24:30I think I can find that one.
00:24:33It's down towards the end of the chapter anyways.
00:24:36Maybe I should be looking in the same version I read earlier.
00:24:39Well, whatever it is, I'm sure we'll find it as we're reading here.
00:24:43Yeah, it kind of reminded me of what Yeshua said about the wedding banquet.
00:24:46I think it's in Luke, where he's saying, you know, if you're invited to a wedding banquet,
00:24:51don't pick the most honorable seat in the room, go to the end of the table and let the king
00:24:56or let the master of the ceremonies or the master at the wedding, let him call you to
00:25:00the more honorable seat if that's where he wants you.
00:25:03Yeshua himself, he humbled himself, you know, beyond anything we can imagine from heaven down
00:25:11to being a man and didn't stop there.
00:25:14But then he spent a good part of his life associating with the outcasts of society, didn't really
00:25:21care what anybody thought about him, and then gave himself up to die the death of a despised
00:25:27criminal.
00:25:29He humbled himself before his father and was elevated for it.
00:25:34And, you know, none of those rewards came in this life.
00:25:38They came after the resurrection.
00:25:39And he says the same thing for us.
00:25:43Those who look for rewards in this life, who look to elevate themselves, well, they've
00:25:49got their reward now.
00:25:50But those who humble themselves, especially humble themselves before God, they're not false
00:25:55humility, just fat cloth and ashes all the time, but just not thinking so much about yourself
00:26:00and not thinking too much of yourself.
00:26:03God honors that.
00:26:04And there's a reward coming later.
00:26:06Yeah, there was, I think what's really interesting also, as you mentioned, when you mentioned the
00:26:12sack cloth and ashes thing and being humble before God, what is something that sticks out
00:26:17is if you look at the gospels, none of his disciples really got on their face before him.
00:26:25I mean, when they did recognize that he was God, they didn't just hit the ground on their faces.
00:26:33The only person that I remember hearing about being on their face when they realized who he was,
00:26:40was the woman with the alabaster box who was washing his feet with her tears and anointing
00:26:46him and stuff.
00:26:47Yeah, most of them still didn't even realize it after the resurrection.
00:26:52Well, after the resurrection, they started to learn.
00:26:54It was, you know, after the crucifixion between that, in those three days between crucifixion
00:26:58and resurrection, even after spending years with him, they still didn't really understand
00:27:03who he was.
00:27:05But Mary's who.
00:27:06That's why I don't give too much of a hard time about people that they don't see right
00:27:11away because, you know, there's still the whole, well, Jesus is not God.
00:27:15He never said he was.
00:27:16And I'm like, man, even his disciples had a hard time, like, getting it.
00:27:21But I don't know why.
00:27:24Honestly, now that I've read the scriptures a few times, right, from beginning to end,
00:27:29I'm like, man, it's like right there and it's clear.
00:27:31And I think it goes back to what we've talked about here before, where it's like, it's when
00:27:37you're ready, when your heart's ready, and whenever it's his will, you know, then you'll
00:27:43see.
00:27:44And I think that's good to humble us when we're patient with other people, when they
00:27:49don't see, like, why all the commandments are to be followed and not some of them.
00:27:56And when I was writing the article I posted at American Torah this week, one of those
00:28:01verses that I'm always coming back to when I have conversations with people about Torah,
00:28:06about God's law and how it applies to the Christians today is Paul is talking about
00:28:11that there are all these commandments, you know, don't murder, don't covet, don't bear
00:28:17false witness.
00:28:18But all of the commandments and all of these commandments and any other commandment there
00:28:22might be is summed up in the one phrase, love your neighbor as yourself.
00:28:27If you do that, you are keeping all of the other commandments, which doesn't mean that
00:28:32you can throw them all aside and just, you know, as long as I'm loving my neighbor, then
00:28:36I don't have to do all that stuff.
00:28:37No, if you're doing that stuff, you are loving your neighbor.
00:28:40They're the same.
00:28:41They're the same.
00:28:42I need to make a meme.
00:28:43You know, the girl from the office and they're showing her the two pictures from corporate
00:28:47office in those corporate offices want you to tell us the difference between these
00:28:51pictures and she's like, they're the same picture.
00:28:55And, you know, all the laws, 613 commandments and love your neighbor as yourself.
00:29:00Anyways, it seemed funny at the moment.
00:29:02Which verse speaks to you?
00:29:04Does anybody else have one they wanted to get to?
00:29:07Okay.
00:29:08So it's interesting.
00:29:09You guys just started talking about facial hair and hair.
00:29:13So I have this whole, I guess, chapter is super convicting to me.
00:29:20I think that pride has been my greatest downfall my whole life.
00:29:26And I think it started when I was young and just always being very independent and believing
00:29:33that I knew best and wanting to do everything on my own my whole life.
00:29:38And to the extent that it brought up, like my, even in my work, my choosing to direct my own path of healing
00:29:50and then working on a project of publishing.
00:29:53Um, and so I'm looking at a new project.
00:29:58And so the first verse that really jumped out at me was commit your works to the Lord and your thoughts will be established.
00:30:06Verse three.
00:30:07Um, and then the other one was nine, a man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.
00:30:15And I'm really in a place right now where I need to go to the Lord before I do anything and everything.
00:30:24And I'm really challenged in my own life right now with this concept of pride, because I never thought that I was a prideful person, but pride definitely goes before destruction in my life.
00:30:39It's, it's, it's related to my health and I have had to cope with the last two months losing my hair.
00:30:47And it is something that I never thought I was attached to.
00:30:52And I never thought I'm a fairly young woman, and this is not something that is easy to adjust to.
00:31:00I used to have very, very long hair and very, very thick hair.
00:31:04And I've lost it before in my past and it came back and it was related to treatments that I was on with, for my health.
00:31:15I've now lost probably 85% of it at this point.
00:31:20And most of my scalp is showing, and this has happened within two months.
00:31:26So it's been a shock, a total shock.
00:31:29And I never thought that I really cared about my hair and that I even cared about my appearance.
00:31:35And I never thought my identity at all was in that.
00:31:39And it seemed like such an ego related thing.
00:31:42But once you lose something and you do have an attachment, clearly it shows.
00:31:48And the Lord is really teaching me right now that my identity is in Him and in the fruits of the Spirit and that I have to learn that lesson in a very hard way right now.
00:32:02And that I really just need to focus on going to the Lord on my face, you know, every day and asking for direction and asking for humility and just putting myself in my right place.
00:32:19So that's all a wrap up of, I swear, this entire chapter is all directed at me.
00:32:26And I'm sorry, because I know that anybody losing their hair, or at least most people, that's a hard thing.
00:32:34But I know that's got to be especially hard for a woman.
00:32:37And so I'm sorry about that.
00:32:39But it sounds like you're on a good path at least.
00:32:43Yeah, I mean, it's understandable with my health, but it's still been, it's required a lot of work to really just be in the word.
00:32:54And thankfully, I have a great coach who I'm a strong encourager of my walk with the Lord.
00:33:01And I'm learning a lot.
00:33:03You know, I really am learning that this, I have to be okay with this, because it is, I mean, who knows?
00:33:10I mean, it may come back.
00:33:11I hope it does.
00:33:11But that's not, the physical is not my identity.
00:33:15And it can't be within me, because eventually, we're all going to lose it all.
00:33:19So maybe it's good to let go of that now, when I'm relatively on the younger side and realize, you know, it's all going to fade.
00:33:28And then it's going to be, you know, we're spirits, we are not physical beings.
00:33:32Yeah.
00:33:33So it's been interesting.
00:33:34But I did have a lot to jump out at me, because I've seen myself with a haughty spirit.
00:33:39But I've seen myself thinking that I directed my steps, I earned my way, I was my actions, and really it was God all along.
00:33:50But I've actually published a whole work about taking control of, and I struggle with this question.
00:33:59I even struggled with it when I wrote the publication was, who did the work?
00:34:04Was it me or was it God?
00:34:06Because I did a lot, and God obviously did a lot.
00:34:10So I never can find the right balance of, and that's that first question of free will.
00:34:17Like, if God's in control, why do we make plans?
00:34:22And how much of this is us versus how much of is God doing all of it?
00:34:28Yeah.
00:34:29You know, I struggle with some of the same questions when it comes to health.
00:34:31You know, I take a bunch of supplements and a few medications for some health issues that I've been dealing with for around a decade now.
00:34:40And I ask that question every time I pop open one of the little tabs on my daily pillbox.
00:34:47Shouldn't we be trusting in God?
00:34:49Is this pharmakia?
00:34:50Those questions.
00:34:51But on the other hand, God has given us all these resources, and it would be disrespectful, it seems, to squander them.
00:34:59So I definitely, at least from that perspective, understand that quandary.
00:35:04I'm sure that's not exactly the same as what you're dealing with.
00:35:07It is.
00:35:09I mean, in a very small microcosm.
00:35:12But yes, I mean, I have Lyme disease, and I was misdiagnosed for 22 years.
00:35:20And my recovery was seven years of literal, like, 24 hours a day of care, of work.
00:35:28And some of it was quite brutal.
00:35:30I mean, quite aggressive, brutal interventions.
00:35:33And so it's, you know, and I do believe it was amazing that I'm even alive, but it's hard to know how much of that recovery that I gained was through the day in, day out, every single intervention and every harsh thing that I even did.
00:35:52Or was that, you know, was all of that, you know, I do know what an effect those things had, but was that taking God's place?
00:36:01You know, if I had sat, prayed, and waited patiently, would I have recovered?
00:36:06And I do believe God was always leading me and guiding me, and that oftentimes it was my pride saying, well, I can be more harsh, you know, or whatever you want to call it.
00:36:18Maybe the destruction that occurred was always at my hands.
00:36:23I don't know.
00:36:24But I do know taking a prideful attitude, saying I can do it myself.
00:36:29That was never the goal.
00:36:31I think the goal is always to listen and be guided by what God told me to do, and I did those things.
00:36:39But it's just a struggle, because what is our free will versus when are we supposed to just wait and be patient?
00:36:48I have those.
00:36:49Yeah, those are my thoughts or my questions.
00:36:52I have a thought about the, you know, we make plans, but the Lord directs our step.
00:36:57Is that what it says?
00:37:00And I guess what it says.
00:37:01But I think that, obviously, laying our plans before the Lord and, you know, praying about things, I think is great.
00:37:10And I think it's very necessary.
00:37:12And depending on what your natural tendencies have been and what your patterns have been, it might be, for some more than others, more critical and more essential that they really spend time seeking the Lord on certain matters.
00:37:25One of the things that I've really taken from this, and it's just because I need to stay in action, at least enough to know that I'm doing something, is to pray about those things and to set them before the Lord.
00:37:38But then to walk and to trust that he's going to walk and to walk and to trust that he's going to really kind of direct my paths.
00:37:44And I think that's where if people are praying or making plans, and then when God's trying to redirect their path, they're very resistant.
00:37:53I think that's where you get into problems.
00:37:55So I think it's a posture that happens, is an ongoing thing, as we're walking these things out.
00:38:03And I feel like there's a level of confidence that we have to have.
00:38:07And I think that's the hard part for me, is having the level of confidence, the trust that, like, as I keep moving, God's going to really, like, close doors where he needs to close doors, open doors where he needs to open doors.
00:38:17And just to even have the discernment and the wisdom that I need for the decisions I need to make.
00:38:23And I'm in a similar situation right now with, like, a business opportunity.
00:38:27And so it's, like, the same kinds of things, you know, those questions of, like, what do I do here?
00:38:34Concerned, overly concerned about, like, not doing anything unless I really knew it was God and, like, just not really having a lot of discernment.
00:38:42So then I was kind of frozen and paralyzed.
00:38:44And now I try to be a little bit more liberated about how I do that.
00:38:50But I do feel like that particular verse, I think, is a really good indication that if we are seeking the Lord, that he is active in what we're doing.
00:39:02That he's not just going to let us go all crazy.
00:39:08Yeah, I think you're right.
00:39:10And I think I just am learning that I need to practice listening to really hear God's voice or whatever, signs, messages, whatever I need to get to make sure it's not my.
00:39:27Yeah, that's a good point.
00:39:29And I think, I think we're all coming at it from different.
00:39:31Yeah.
00:39:33But also, I think once we walk through a door, like, if we pray, and we talked about this a little bit too, Paul, last time, where it's like, if we pray to open the doors and close doors, right?
00:39:46And he opens the door, and we walk through it, and that door is not what we expected, and it's tougher than what it is, right?
00:39:55That doesn't necessarily mean that you did something wrong.
00:40:02It's just that there's something to learn there.
00:40:05There's this refinement that you have to go through, maybe, or whatever.
00:40:09Look, any of the characters of the Bible, the main characters in the Bible, they didn't have it easy.
00:40:15God made a way, right?
00:40:16Like, he opened the Red Sea, right?
00:40:18Went through it.
00:40:19I mean, you can see that as a door, right?
00:40:21He opened that door.
00:40:23He got the Israelites through it.
00:40:25He got to the other side for what?
00:40:28More trouble.
00:40:30Yeah.
00:40:31Right?
00:40:31So, you know, it can be a little bit disheartening to be like, oh, man, I prayed about this.
00:40:37I did everything.
00:40:38I'm living a righteous life.
00:40:40Everything's good.
00:40:40I'm doing everything I can.
00:40:42I'm reading the scriptures.
00:40:43I'm praying.
00:40:43I'm on my hands and knees.
00:40:45Like, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're doing anything wrong, maybe.
00:40:49Yeah, it's just, that's just life.
00:40:52Yeah, that's a good point.
00:40:54Yeah, he's just making you go through something for whatever reason, because, and this is not about us.
00:41:00It's not about us.
00:41:01That's pride.
00:41:03This story is not about us.
00:41:04It's about him.
00:41:06We're the servants, and we're just in this earth trying to honor and glorify him through our lives the best way we can.
00:41:15But we're not here to reap the rewards here that everything is going to be fine.
00:41:20In fact, I would get nervous if everything was just working peachy.
00:41:24I was like, oh, something's coming.
00:41:27Because we've been sold a lot that if we just, you know, close our eyes and say, for Jesus to come in our hearts and our mind, like, all of a sudden, the next day, everything's fine.
00:41:38Like, that addiction is gone.
00:41:40Our life is perfect.
00:41:41And that's not true at all.
00:41:43You have to walk through that straight and narrow path.
00:41:45There's this refinement period.
00:41:46There's this time that you have to go through, right?
00:41:49There's this story that you're a part of, and he wants you to be a part of as well.
00:41:55But this is not about you.
00:41:56You're not the main character.
00:41:58We just have to trust him that whatever we're going through, it's for him.
00:42:04We have to remember that once we get to his kingdom, that is when we get to be honored and glorified.
00:42:11That's when we get to be the closest that we are with him, and this shalom that we've been seeking here is going to be finally there once we're next to him.
00:42:22That's a good point, Carlos.
00:42:23And I think a lot of times the things that we're going through are to teach us more about how to depend on him, how to know him, more things about his character, the things within us that he's trying to build within us.
00:42:36There's all kinds of things.
00:42:37But I do think that when we get there, that whole longing that we have in this life is a driving force to continue moving on and overcome.
00:42:48It's one of the driving forces that longing shouldn't make us give up.
00:42:52It should make us press forward and keep going because maybe we're not going to get it in this life, right?
00:42:59You're saying we're not going to get the thing that we really want in this life.
00:43:03And if we know that, then we might press on to make it there.
00:43:08Like the Israelites who made it to the promised land.
00:43:11Lots of excellent points.
00:43:13Yeah, good.
00:43:15I can't remember exactly what somebody said, but it made me think of this last verse.
00:43:20And also the thing that I was mentioning about medications and pharmakia.
00:43:24Where do you draw the line on those kind of things?
00:43:26But verse 33, this is the one I marked down as the one that puzzles me.
00:43:33And I think this is a really easy one to misunderstand.
00:43:37The lot is cast into the lap, but it's every decision is from the Lord.
00:43:42That doesn't mean that every time you roll the dice or draw straws or whatever method you want to use,
00:43:47that God is the one guiding the outcome because he has also given us brains and he's given us his scriptures and all the natural world to learn from.
00:43:59And he expects us to use those things and he expects us to understand his character and make decisions according.
00:44:06And if we're not doing those things and we're just leaping to the lot, for example, just opening the Bible and pointing at a random verse to decide what am I supposed to do with my life?
00:44:20And you get to Jesus wept and probably not the most helpful verse for those kind of questions.
00:44:27Or maybe that would be a really helpful one.
00:44:30Like, what are you doing?
00:44:31Go get a life.
00:44:31But that verse in verse 20, I guess I need to explain these two together.
00:44:39Whoever gives thought to the word will discover good and blessed is he who trusts in the Lord.
00:44:44Giving thought to the word is not talking about the scriptures.
00:44:46It's talking about actual words.
00:44:49Whoever considers his words and thinks about what he's going to say or what he's going to do before he acts, this is going to be a good thing.
00:44:56And this is encouraging, encouraging us to think through problems, to reason things out.
00:45:02By implication, it's also talking about the scriptures.
00:45:06We need to understand what God wants.
00:45:09And we get lots of wisdom from places like Proverbs and Psalms and Ecclesiastes.
00:45:14But we also get lots of wisdom from living in the world and doing things, especially with other people, interacting, having relationships.
00:45:21And God expects us to learn from these things and then to use what we learn to make decisions.
00:45:28But the second half of this verse, blessed is he who trusts in the Lord.
00:45:32It's great if you can come to good decisions, sound decisions based on your past experience and all the things that you've learned.
00:45:40But if that doesn't align with God's instructions, with God's character, then it's still the wrong decision.
00:45:46So God's character and his instructions are the primary factor that we're supposed to include in our decision-making process.
00:45:55But we also have to include all of these other things that God has given us, including the things that can be derived from the natural world and from sciences, chemistry.
00:46:04So medications aren't necessarily a bad thing as long as we are not trusting those things instead of God or using them as a substitute for God.
00:46:17And once we get to the point of saying, I can control this, not saying that taking control of your health is a bad thing, because that's a good thing.
00:46:25That's part of the process.
00:46:27But thinking that we can control everything, that all of the natural world is within our power to manipulate and make it bend to our will.
00:46:37Well, that's just making ourselves God.
00:46:38So we have to use the tools that God has given us, but filter them through the perspective of God's word and then come to decisions.
00:46:48And when you come to some kind of a quandary where there's no obvious moral implication, either choice is just as bad or just as good.
00:46:57And there's nothing that your experience and your wisdom can tell you about which way to go.
00:47:03And when you seek counsel, nobody can tell you anything useful.
00:47:07You can roll some dice or draw straws or whatever and say, God, I don't know what to do here.
00:47:13You're going to have to tell me and cast lots and then trust God to guide the outcome.
00:47:20I don't think I could have said any better, Jay.
00:47:22I think at some point you have to do the best.
00:47:25You have to take some kind of action.
00:47:26I'm definitely not saying, you know, you pray about it, put it in the hands of Yeshua and then you're done, right?
00:47:31You walk away like it takes because faith, there is action in faith.
00:47:36That's why you do stuff, right?
00:47:38Like you don't, you just don't sit around waiting for something.
00:47:41I mean, you actually got to take action.
00:47:43And yeah, I agree, man.
00:47:44I think at some point you pray, you do all you can, and then you have to make that call.
00:47:50And as long as it's a righteous call to the best of your understanding with the scriptures and you've, you've prayed about it, you thought about it, you put it at his feet.
00:47:58And then after that, you know, you've done all you can and, and it's up to God.
00:48:03Now it's like, yeah, your help, right?
00:48:06Like you have to take, and that's another thing.
00:48:09Like I talk about a lot.
00:48:10You have to take the responsibilities of your own salvation.
00:48:13There's this guy that, that he, he himself says, he's not a teacher.
00:48:18He's like, I am not a teacher.
00:48:20I am, I'm not a pastor.
00:48:22I'm not, I'm nothing else.
00:48:23I'm just a commentator.
00:48:25That's all he is.
00:48:26He's going through some difficult times right now.
00:48:28And he decided to just step away from saying anything about the scriptures, about the word, because he knows that people are going to be looking at him.
00:48:42As part of their salvation.
00:48:44He didn't say those words specifically, but, and, you know, that upsets me because I'm like, you need to stop.
00:48:52We all need to stop looking at one person or people or group or whatever as our salvation.
00:49:00You know, at the end of the day, when our time of judgment come is going to be us and him and Yeshua as our mediator.
00:49:06Right.
00:49:07And that's it.
00:49:08There's no one else that can save you.
00:49:10No one's coming to save you.
00:49:11No one.
00:49:13So we got to stop thinking that there's this one person that's going to forgive us for our sins, except Yeshua.
00:49:23But somehow we get stuck back into that humanity or people or group have this way.
00:49:30Right.
00:49:31It's just like when the nation of Israel was starting.
00:49:33There wasn't supposed to be any kings, to my understanding.
00:49:37It was just supposed to be God.
00:49:39He was supposed to be the king, but Israel wanted to be like the rest of the nations and they wanted a king.
00:49:44So he gave him a king.
00:49:46And we know how that worked out.
00:49:48So it's the same thing.
00:49:50Yeah.
00:49:51Not good.
00:49:51Right.
00:49:51I mean, all kinds of struggles from the very beginning.
00:49:54Right.
00:49:55And it didn't stop.
00:49:56Yeah.
00:49:56You have a few kings here and there that did a few good things here and there.
00:49:59But that's about it.
00:50:01Most of them failed.
00:50:02And it's the same thing.
00:50:04We keep putting people on a pedestal.
00:50:07We keep putting religion on a pedestal.
00:50:10And that's why we keep failing, because we don't put in first.
00:50:14Keep putting our jobs first.
00:50:16We keep putting our careers first.
00:50:18Right.
00:50:19Or a title.
00:50:20Again, pride.
00:50:21It keeps coming up again.
00:50:23Right.
00:50:23And that's why I said pride is like the gateway drug of all the other ones, because we actually
00:50:28think that either we can do it ourselves or men can do it for us, which is impossible.
00:50:35And until we get that through our thick skull, we're going to keep going through it over and
00:50:40over again.
00:50:41Right.
00:50:41And to finish him in Saturday, expect a different result.
00:50:43It's not going to happen.
00:50:45But we do have to take some kind of action.
00:50:46We do have to be accountable to us.
00:50:49So it's up to us.
00:50:50There's a reason why I'm here, because I want to be in touch with other believers and
00:50:55I want to make sure that, you know, I'm not listening to my own heart and that there's
00:50:59other people that that I want to hear somebody else's wisdom and understanding and opinion
00:51:05because.
00:51:07But as long as I've read the scriptures, I'm not going to be deceived.
00:51:11I can go back and look at it and say, hey, you know, brother Daniel is right.
00:51:15That is that does make sense.
00:51:16I mean, it's right here.
00:51:17Clearly, maybe my pride got in the way and I didn't see it.
00:51:20But we have to be accountable and we have to go back and read it ourselves and just
00:51:25not let somebody just feed it to us all the time without understanding.
00:51:28That's not the way it works.
00:51:29When people went to the synagogue, they understood what the rabbi was saying, you know, to an
00:51:35extent, at least I've been on that one for a while now where, you know, I feel for the
00:51:41guy because the guy's going through a hard time.
00:51:43And, you know, the guy was talking about.
00:51:45But the dude is like, I can't say anything anymore because I know that you guys look
00:51:51at me and think that I'm the one that's supposed to be feeding you.
00:51:56And I'm not like the father feeds you.
00:51:58But we're in a community of believers.
00:52:01We're all supposed to like iron sharpens iron.
00:52:03That's the whole reason we're here.
00:52:05Right.
00:52:06And I feel blessed to have all you guys coming together and hearing your opinions and what
00:52:12you guys are going through, because it strengthens my faith.
00:52:15And that's the whole point of it.
00:52:16If you're not in community and you're out there by yourself trying to figure out on your
00:52:20own, you're going to fail as well.
00:52:23Yes, the father's there, but that's the reason why he gave us community for all of us to get
00:52:26together.
00:52:27So it's a good thing that we're all here.
00:52:28Talking about that, Carlos, as you were saying that, and I was thinking about like, it's
00:52:34our job to go to the word and to be fed and nourished, you know, in that way.
00:52:39I also think that, you know, going back to what you were saying about, it's not about us.
00:52:45I think that in a lot of ways, us taking our responsibility seriously and going to the word
00:52:51allows us to feed one another.
00:52:55I don't know that people really think about that as often.
00:52:58But that's essentially what we're doing in community.
00:53:02And I think it's really important.
00:53:05And that's one of the reasons I think God, he knows that's the way he designed us was
00:53:08to be in community.
00:53:10So I just, it just gave me a different perspective about how we even come to the scriptures,
00:53:16like looking for something for us.
00:53:18Certainly we should, we should be looking for, you know, a way to know God better and to
00:53:24connect with God.
00:53:24But I kind of wonder if we came to the scriptures at times, asking for something to bless someone
00:53:32else, something like that.
00:53:34Like if we really came with a heart that was just like, I'm not really asking for anything
00:53:38for myself.
00:53:39It doesn't mean we shouldn't.
00:53:40But what would that look like if we were all like, bless me with something that I can bless
00:53:45somebody else with?
00:53:46It'd be pretty cool.
00:53:48It'll be a life changer.
00:53:49That's awesome.
00:53:50Thank you, Paul.
00:53:50Absolutely beautiful.
00:53:54Yeah.
00:53:54We do have this tendency to always be looking for a savior other than the one savior that
00:53:59we should be looking for, whether it's Trump or DeSantis or Obama 10 years ago for a lot
00:54:06of people, well, 15 years ago, however many centuries ago that was.
00:54:10If you look at the reign of Josiah, one of the greatest kings Israel had, as soon as he
00:54:15died, everybody went back to their pagan idol or real change never happens at the top.
00:54:22It's the community.
00:54:23It's us making changes in our own lives and in the people around us.
00:54:28And that's the main reason I created this platform is to help people learn how to study
00:54:36the scriptures for themselves and give them the confidence that they can understand it.
00:54:42It's not that hard, but we've got these, whether it's academics, people like Heiser, who are
00:54:49a well-meaning, smart guy, says a lot of great stuff, maybe a little bit off the wall sometimes,
00:54:53but they make things sound so difficult with all the theological words.
00:54:59And Heiser may not be in that particular camp, but there are a lot of theologians who love
00:55:04the, I don't even know what you call those words.
00:55:07They mine the theological dictionary for big words.
00:55:10And I know Paula thinks I do that.
00:55:12Hey, you did that today.
00:55:13I actually invented my own word today, but no, you didn't.
00:55:18Well, I invented it and then discovered that somebody else invented it first.
00:55:21Just, it was an independent effort, but it's not, you know, all the doctrinal statements
00:55:28and creeds.
00:55:29That's not what, not what's going to help us.
00:55:31I mean, reelecting Trump or electing DeSantis or, you know, anything like that's not going
00:55:36to save this country because that's just one guy and neither one of them are really all
00:55:41that shiny in the first place.
00:55:44The real change is going to happen with us.
00:55:47Yeah.
00:55:47So this is where it's got to start.
00:55:49Yeah.
00:55:49I heard a comedian say that he's like, why are you worried about who's in power?
00:55:53I was like, think about the other guy before this guy came, were there any changes?
00:55:59It's like, no, it's, you're accountable.
00:56:01Like you're the one that has to make things happen regardless.
00:56:03Right.
00:56:04Because one guy is going to benefit one group.
00:56:06The other guy is going to benefit in one group.
00:56:08And you might be in none of those groups.
00:56:10So you have to figure it out on your own.
00:56:12It's just a reality of it, but it's a hard thing.
00:56:15And unless we let him remove that flash from our heart and allow his Torah to embed himself
00:56:22in there, we're not going to get anywhere.
00:56:24I'm reading a book, The Boy Crisis right now.
00:56:26And it's excellent.
00:56:27The guy makes some excellent points, but at the end of the day, he doesn't get to the
00:56:31root cause of things.
00:56:32He says, oh, this is the problem.
00:56:34And then we can fix this.
00:56:35I think I'm in page on, I don't know, past like a hundred or something like that.
00:56:38And nowhere has he mentioned God yet.
00:56:41And I don't know anything about his faith and nothing like that.
00:56:43But I'm like, you're just going to put a bandaid on things.
00:56:47Things may get a little bit better or a lot better, but eventually, like I said, you can
00:56:52just, everybody eventually is going to go back to something unless we completely give our
00:56:59heart to him.
00:57:00It's just not, it's not going to happen.
00:57:02Unless we completely surrender, we're going to keep making the same mistakes over and over
00:57:08again, as individually, as a people, as a society, as a community, as a group, as a nation.
00:57:14It's going to be the same, same thing.
00:57:19Verse 15.
00:57:21This is one that really spoke to me.
00:57:23And, you know, we've heard several, several books were recommended tonight.
00:57:28And here's another one I haven't actually read yet, but I know who wrote it and I'm certain
00:57:34that it's going to be a good one.
00:57:35Let me, let me pull it up here on Amazon so I can just show it to you.
00:57:40I think it was just published this month.
00:57:43Things God hate, hates things.
00:57:45God loves from Rabbi Greg Hirshberg.
00:57:48I love him.
00:57:49Yeah, Rabbi Hirshberg is a firebrand of a Messianic rabbi preacher, a New York Jew boxer from the
00:57:57Bronx, who is now a Messianic rabbi in the South, in Georgia, I think.
00:58:04So, but I know that this book will be good.
00:58:07So if you get a chance, you can get the Kindle for six bucks.
00:58:12Anyways, that related to verse 15.
00:58:14In the light of a king's face, there is life and in his favor is like clouds that bring the
00:58:18spring rain.
00:58:20One of the things that always just astounds me about talking to people about God's law.
00:58:26You know, I know that it offends people sometimes when I talk about, you know, I keep the seventh
00:58:31day Sabbath or I eat according to what the Bible says we're supposed to eat or not supposed
00:58:36to eat.
00:58:37And sometimes people will take offense at that thinking that, you know, I'm judging them for
00:58:41not doing what I'm doing.
00:58:43And it's really not the point.
00:58:44The point is these things are a blessing.
00:58:47And I know anybody who follows what God says will be blessed by it.
00:58:53As long as you really understand what God says, because there are a lot of things that
00:58:57people think God said and he really didn't.
00:59:00One of the things that people love to go to when they hear that I don't eat pork or shrimp
00:59:04is to say, well, do you stone adulterers?
00:59:08Do you stone rebellious children?
00:59:10No, because God's law forbids me to do that.
00:59:12Everybody thinks that it says that we're supposed to, but that's not what it says.
00:59:17It says that you must follow due process.
00:59:19If anybody's accused of a crime, including taking them to the civil civil magistrate, you
00:59:25have to have a public trial with at least two witnesses and they have to be qualified
00:59:29witnesses.
00:59:30In other words, not guilty themselves, not committing any crime in the act of being a
00:59:35witness.
00:59:36And, you know, this is the reason when the people brought the adulteress to Jesus, why
00:59:41he wouldn't, why he said that, you know, he who's without sin, throw the first stone.
00:59:46Because they were sinning and even bringing this woman to him.
00:59:49And so in the act of being witnesses, they were false witnesses and they were committing
00:59:54a sin.
00:59:55So they weren't qualified.
00:59:57There was nobody there who could actually judge and prosecute this woman.
01:00:01What I was really wanting to talk about was, were the things that God loves and hates.
01:00:06God says that certain things are abominations.
01:00:09And those are pretty strong words.
01:00:11And people, a lot of Christians today will say, you know, that's not really true anymore.
01:00:15Or God erased all those distinctions.
01:00:18We're saved by faith alone, which is totally true.
01:00:21We're not saved by keeping any set of rules, keeping the Sabbath, eating clean.
01:00:26That's not going to save you.
01:00:28Never has, never will.
01:00:30It's only our faith in God and his mercy that saves us.
01:00:34But God has likes and dislikes.
01:00:36God says that some things are abominable.
01:00:39He hates it.
01:00:39It's disgusting to him.
01:00:42So why are we so proud about those things?
01:00:44Why do we want to embrace and celebrate doing things that God says is abominable, whether
01:00:52it's gay pride or a bacon cheeseburger?
01:00:57They disgust God.
01:00:58I don't know why.
01:00:59That's his problem.
01:01:01I can speculate.
01:01:02I mean, there are reasons that, you know, you can look for patterns in the text and these
01:01:06things all, you know, anything that's unclean kind of has an association with death.
01:01:11Things that are clean, have an association with life.
01:01:15So maybe that's why these things that are associated with death, discuss God in these
01:01:20things associated with life, please him maybe, but he doesn't say that that's just speculation.
01:01:26But he does say that these things will be disgusting to you because they're disgusting
01:01:33to him.
01:01:33And so I want to do things that please God, not because it saves me, but just because
01:01:40it pleases God.
01:01:41And that is a huge motivation for everything that I do.
01:01:46I don't want to do things, even though sometimes I do do things, but I don't want to do them
01:01:50if they irritate God, especially not if they disgust him.
01:01:56I mean, that's a pretty strong word for the creator of the universe to use.
01:01:59I kind of think he must have meant it.
01:02:02Okay.
01:02:02Off my soapbox.
01:02:03Your turn.
01:02:05Yeah.
01:02:05No, it goes back to what I was saying that, you know, we got to, I think it's good to see
01:02:09God as, you know, an earthly father as well, because when we're kids or dads will tell us
01:02:16to not to do certain things.
01:02:18And sometimes they wouldn't explain it.
01:02:20It was just like, just don't do that.
01:02:21So later on, we kind of found out why or why not, like eating unclean animals.
01:02:27You may think like, I don't know what's wrong with that, but there's plenty of studies out
01:02:31there, you know, that showed that there's a reason why you shouldn't eat bears.
01:02:35Right.
01:02:36But he didn't break it down.
01:02:38He didn't say, oh, because of this thing.
01:02:40And then you eat it.
01:02:41And, you know, all the, I mean, he didn't have to go through that.
01:02:44I mean, what would you even question, you know, question him, right?
01:02:47He created the heavens, the earth, and the seas.
01:02:49If you, if you believe that, why can't you just believe what he tells you not to do
01:02:54or what to do?
01:02:55Right.
01:02:55Like, I don't, I don't comprehend those things.
01:02:58Well, I do.
01:02:59I mean, because I've been there.
01:03:00Right.
01:03:00And that's where our grace and mercy comes to other people.
01:03:03I mean, it, you know, it's because I never read the scriptures.
01:03:06I believe things because her parents told us to.
01:03:09Yeah.
01:03:09Or whatever, whoever was in that, you know, in that pedestal at that time, whatever he said,
01:03:15well, he's smarter than me.
01:03:16He went to theology school or he, he was saved from drug addiction.
01:03:20And, you know, which is, again, not judging.
01:03:23That's great.
01:03:24But at some point we have to take responsibility of those things ourselves.
01:03:28Right.
01:03:28But yeah, man, it's, I'm not trying to offend anybody.
01:03:33And that's why I keep it to myself sometimes.
01:03:36You know what I mean?
01:03:36I try to be wise.
01:03:39Who do I tell it to?
01:03:41And when, when do I say it?
01:03:44Because I don't want to offend anybody and they take it that way.
01:03:48And that's, man, I, that is not the case at all.
01:03:53We do these things because we want to please, I want to please my father.
01:03:57That there are times when I was a kid, right?
01:04:00I wanted to do certain things and I know they were bad and I just wanted, or not necessarily
01:04:05that bad, just like staying late a little bit more or going somewhere that I knew that
01:04:12was safe.
01:04:13But my dad, for whatever reason, thought it was not safe.
01:04:15But I was confident that it was safe.
01:04:18At least when I was a kid, I just wanted to please my father.
01:04:21I wanted to honor him.
01:04:22I didn't understand those words at a young age, but that's what I was trying to do.
01:04:26But now that I'm older, I think about it more.
01:04:29You know, I look at my dad in his seventies and I'm just like, I don't know how much longer
01:04:34he has, but I want to make sure that I honor him to the best of my abilities because I just
01:04:41love the man.
01:04:42I really do.
01:04:43And that's the same thing, what we do with God, all these things, the Sabbath, eating
01:04:50clean, falling the feast, wearing our seats, even the seats, these part may seem very weird
01:04:56to some people to do, but I make sure that I tested everything I could when it came to
01:05:03seats and then I warm and I still wear on them.
01:05:07And I honestly, I think I'm just scratch the surface of understanding them, but it just
01:05:15tells me to do it.
01:05:16At least that's the way I understand it.
01:05:18Right.
01:05:18And many of us have come to understand, I just do it.
01:05:22But what, what are people may see that I'm trying to be religious or I'm trying to be
01:05:27a Jew or any of those things, right?
01:05:30Like, it's not easy to walk through corporate America, but seats, he's hanging out from the
01:05:35corners of your dress wear and just people not looking at you like you're some kind of
01:05:39weirdo.
01:05:39And I'm like, okay, well, I mean, I'm trying to be a weirdo.
01:05:43I mean, you know, but it does help me because I am supposed to be just like everybody else.
01:05:50And, you know, we're supposed to be his hands and feet, light and salt.
01:05:53And it reminds me when I go to the bathroom and I look in the mirrors and I see him hanging
01:05:59out from my corners or when I accidentally touch him that I was like, okay, I know what
01:06:05they, I know what they mean.
01:06:06And I need to be loving and caring, show steadfast love, grace and mercy to everyone, my enemies.
01:06:16And I need to pray for them.
01:06:17So when that person comes to my cubicle and chews me out for something I didn't do, then
01:06:22I still just have to turn the other cheek, smile.
01:06:26And when they leave, just pray for them.
01:06:29Yeah.
01:06:29And if they know what those seats mean, becomes even more important.
01:06:34If they know.
01:06:35Yes, that's true.
01:06:37Yeah.
01:06:37I think people will start to know more the more they see him, but what you're talking
01:06:41about, Carlos, and what you were talking about, Jay, makes me think about a conversation we
01:06:45had yesterday, Jay and I talking about Adam and Eve in the garden when Eve decided she was
01:06:52going to eat from the tree.
01:06:54What really stuck out when you were talking, Carlos, about trying to please God, the first
01:07:00thing that happened, the first sin happened because Eve obviously was looking at this tree
01:07:07and thinking, how good would this be for me?
01:07:11And she wasn't thinking about God anymore.
01:07:13She wasn't thinking about God said not to eat it.
01:07:17God said he didn't want me to do that.
01:07:19It would please God for me not to do that.
01:07:22She just stopped thinking about that, apparently.
01:07:26And I think we've all experienced that where we're not thinking about pleasing God in a
01:07:31moment when we see something that's appealing and we get captured by it.
01:07:36We see it.
01:07:37We start to look at it some more.
01:07:39We start to think about it.
01:07:41And then all of a sudden, we're not thinking about God anymore.
01:07:46We're thinking about ourselves and how it would be good for us.
01:07:50And I think we have that pattern all the way back to that first sin.
01:07:55And it's very important that we have a way to come back to ourselves and remember who we
01:08:05are and remember that we're not, we're not our own.
01:08:10And it seems like even Eve could have maybe recognized that pretty easily, having just
01:08:16been formed from the rib of a man.
01:08:19You know, it's like this dude formed me out of the rib of this guy that he, you know, he
01:08:24put me with.
01:08:25It's a big deal.
01:08:26And yet she's like, it was almost like, and I'm not like trying to interpret what happened,
01:08:33you know, and say, this is how it was.
01:08:35But it was almost like she was like, who's God?
01:08:38As soon as the serpent started telling her about what did he say?
01:08:43And he got her to question God's trustworthiness is really what happened.
01:08:49That's what really put her off and really got her thinking about herself more was that it
01:08:55was like, you know, he's hiding something from you.
01:08:58He knows that if you eat from this tree, you're going to have this knowledge of good and
01:09:02evil and you'll be like him.
01:09:04And then she's like, oh, like he's not trustworthy.
01:09:07But, you know, it's, there's a lot of nuance and a lot of things that went on, obviously,
01:09:10in that very brief interaction, according to the way it's written.
01:09:14But it's really important for us to have ways.
01:09:18And when you're talking about the tzitzit, I was thinking that's an important way to bring
01:09:23us back to say, this is my identity.
01:09:26This is who I am.
01:09:27And I'm not my own, you know.
01:09:31Good.
01:09:33Okay.
01:09:34Those four questions.
01:09:36One thing that we haven't talked about is, was, is there anything in this chapter, any
01:09:40proverb that offended anybody?
01:09:43Got your hackles up.
01:09:46Nobody?
01:09:47If you're talking to us, Carlos, you're muted, but.
01:09:50Yeah.
01:09:50Verse four for me, I mean, I get it now, but at the beginning, it kind of bothered me.
01:09:56Whereas the Lord has made everything for his purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
01:10:02So before I understood any better, it was like God even made bad people.
01:10:09Obviously, I think we've talked about that plenty of words.
01:10:12That's not true, but he still uses even the evil for his honor and glory as well.
01:10:17But, and that's the importance of not being that kind of believer where you pick and choose
01:10:24the verses that you want to read without any context, like context is important.
01:10:30And I think a lot of believers, that's the problem, right?
01:10:32They just read one chapter or one book, and there's no way that you're going to be able
01:10:40to get the whole thing contextually.
01:10:42If you don't go back and read everything.
01:10:46And I know I'm beating a dead horse all the time, probably when I say this, but I've said
01:10:51a few times here, it's like, you got to go read it by yourself.
01:10:55It's just, there's nothing like it because it's, it's you and him and his Holy Spirit
01:11:01guiding you to these understandings.
01:11:03And you're not going to get it the first time.
01:11:04It's going to take multiple times because that's what the relationship with somebody is
01:11:08by, that's how you build a relationship with him is by reading his scriptures and being
01:11:12in prayer.
01:11:13If you just read this, you may think that, oh, he created wicked people as well.
01:11:20So maybe I'm one of those wicked people.
01:11:22And then you just go through that route.
01:11:25You know, it's not crazy to think that way that somebody might get that and just be okay
01:11:31with that.
01:11:31That's a good point.
01:11:33I used to be one of those.
01:11:35Really?
01:11:36Hard to imagine, Paula.
01:11:37I'm serious.
01:11:38No way.
01:11:39Well, isn't always the beautiful specimen you see of God's greatness.
01:11:45That's the beauty about God.
01:11:46You know, he changes us and it doesn't stop when, if we accept them in our heart, it's
01:11:50a process.
01:11:52Process.
01:11:53And honestly, I think it looks, if you do it right in the air quotations there, it's
01:11:59going to be dirty.
01:12:01Because you see like how far removed you are from him.
01:12:06Because there's, there's a lot of people, you know, there's atheists out there.
01:12:11I would say that they're better people than I am.
01:12:14They're living a very righteous life.
01:12:17They do everything correct.
01:12:19At least from appearances, from the outside looking in, right?
01:12:23There's even other denominations or religions that you see them.
01:12:29And you're like, my goodness, there's a lot.
01:12:33There's a reason why people have left Christianity in droves and have gone to other faints.
01:12:38That's a good point.
01:12:39Because they have seen, you know, these people are like, look at them.
01:12:44Their marriage is good.
01:12:46They have self-control of their emotions.
01:12:48Everything is good for them, right?
01:12:51Look at their children.
01:12:52They're smart.
01:12:53They're going to, they're looking at all these superficial things.
01:12:56And then you have us, well, then you have Christians, right?
01:13:01Claiming they, they've been liberated by Jesus and their life is not the way it's supposed to be.
01:13:07But that's because that faith or that religion or that whatever, they have this years and years and decades of this culture they have built in relation to like discipline and all this other stuff.
01:13:19Right?
01:13:19So it looks shiny and pretty in the outside, but the inside is dead because they don't have Yeshua.
01:13:26So we're, we also have to understand too that we're, it's the sick that come to him.
01:13:35Mm-hmm.
01:13:36You know, so it's not pretty and all nice and shiny.
01:13:40I'm glad that you don't have any temptations or addictions.
01:13:42That's awesome.
01:13:43I do.
01:13:44So who else am I going to go to but him?
01:13:50And I think that's, it's a hard concept for people to grab because we've been sold a lie that you come in dirty, you say some magic words and you come out clean on the other side and you don't have to work for it.
01:14:03You don't have to have a relationship with him.
01:14:05Just go to this place called the church and maybe go twice a week, three times if you're that hardcore, sing a couple of hymns, you know, volunteer at the yearly bakeout or whatever it is and tie your money.
01:14:25And everything is, it's just cherry and after that, but if you're constantly in the scriptures and it's not like to build your ego to say, oh, look how much I know about it.
01:14:37I know about this more than I did five years ago.
01:14:40I don't feel any better than anybody else.
01:14:44If anything, I feel more ashamed now, right?
01:14:47Because I'm like, man, I was like, I should have known all this.
01:14:50Where did I spend all my time doing instead of building a relationship with him?
01:14:54I would have skipped over so much heartache and pain and suffering, not just on myself, but to other people as well.
01:15:01And I don't think people understand the beauty of when he comes and remove those things.
01:15:07And he has removed a lot of things from my life, little by little, you know, but it's been five years of nonstop asking him to do this for me and him like, okay, this is going to hurt.
01:15:19And sometimes he pulls a bandaid right away.
01:15:23Sometimes the bandaid is pulled out really slow and they're both as painful, really painful.
01:15:28But that's the way it is.
01:15:32It's not this, you know, simple, quiet kind of way.
01:15:37It's not, my thoughts are not his thoughts.
01:15:39My ways are not his ways.
01:15:41And my will is not his will.
01:15:43His thoughts, his way, and his will is much better and beautiful.
01:15:47It doesn't look beautiful to us, but it honestly, man, it's a beautiful thing to watch him remove all that crap from your life, little by little.
01:15:56But it doesn't happen overnight.
01:15:58Even looking at the patriarchs, you know, if you look at their lives, it's like just a lot of mess.
01:16:05It's the process of becoming who we're meant to be and being in a relationship with God as these frail humans that we are is just messy.
01:16:18Abraham lived to be 180 because it took that long for God to straighten him out.
01:16:24All right.
01:16:24Is there anything anybody else wants to add?
01:16:26Any other proverbs that are really important?
01:16:30Well, they're all really important, but they really stood out to you that you'd like to talk about.
01:16:33Also, that's why Israel was going through the desert for 40 years, right?
01:16:39And that generation was just wiping all that stuff out of there.
01:16:45Can't turn slaves into free men in a single generation.
01:16:48There is one that offended me.
01:16:51A gray head is a crown of glory.
01:16:55That one really offends me.
01:16:57I just want you to know.
01:16:59Yeah.
01:17:00You can see my flesh is really involved in that one.
01:17:05Verse six.
01:17:06Maybe you can help me understand that a little bit better.
01:17:08It says, by steadfast love and faithfulness, iniquity is atoned for.
01:17:16I get the second part of it.
01:17:17By fear of the Lord, one turns away from you.
01:17:19That part I get.
01:17:20But the first one, it kind of makes it sound like if we give enough love and faithfulness, then we can atone for iniquity.
01:17:32On a mundane kind of level, that's true.
01:17:34In a person-to-person relationship, if you harm somebody, you can repair that.
01:17:40You can cover up the harm that you've done by doing even more good.
01:17:44But it does take a lot of good.
01:17:46Now, can you remove it, you know, the stain of those sins from your eternal soul?
01:17:52No.
01:17:54But they can still be atoned for by loving kindness and faithfulness.
01:17:58Just not yours.
01:18:00My version says, by mercy and truth, atonement is made for wrongdoing.
01:18:05That's a TLV, right?
01:18:07Yeah, the word for mercy is hesed.
01:18:09It's NASB.
01:18:11Oh, okay.
01:18:11Well, that's interesting that the TLV and the NASB are so close.
01:18:14But the word for mercy or loving kindness is hesed, which is probably about the closest that Hebrew gets to the concept that most Christians use when they say grace, like God's grace.
01:18:29It's his grace to forgive.
01:18:31Like, we don't deserve forgiveness.
01:18:34I mean, we are these minuscule, created little creatures created for a purpose.
01:18:40And if we're broken, God has every right to just throw us out.
01:18:42So, it is his loving kindness, his hesed, that prompts him to give us an opportunity to be reconciled.
01:18:52And without that, we would have no hope.
01:18:55And that's how salvation is a free gift.
01:18:57There is nothing we could ever do to earn it or to fix what we have broken.
01:19:01God just offers to do it for us.
01:19:03The word for truth or faithfulness in the ESV is emet, which literally means truth.
01:19:10So, I'm not sure why the ESV translated it as faithfulness.
01:19:13Although, the concept of faithfulness is rooted in truth.
01:19:17Being true to something is the same idea as being faithful.
01:19:21So, maybe that's why they did it that way.
01:19:23So, we can't atone for the things that we have done by doing good.
01:19:31But it's definitely not saying we can't atone for others.
01:19:36Well, if you do some harm to somebody, you ding their car or something.
01:19:43And, you know, they're upset with you.
01:19:46Pay for the damage.
01:19:47Fix it.
01:19:47Or if it's a really bad accident.
01:19:49You can pay for the damage, but you're never really going to fix it.
01:19:52It's never really going to be the same.
01:19:53So, you can't fix it that way.
01:19:56But you can fix the relationship by showing that person chesed or loving kindness.
01:20:02They can show you that too.
01:20:04But if that doesn't necessarily fix the relationship for what you did to them.
01:20:10But then, like say the next day, they did something that does you harm.
01:20:15Instead of going after them and trying to make them pay for it, you forgive them.
01:20:20You do something kind.
01:20:21You treat them better than they treated you.
01:20:25You know, it's a lot like some of the things that Yeshua said about, you know, if somebody, you know, demands you go with them one mile, go with them too.
01:20:33If they demand your coat, give them your shirt too.
01:20:36But by showing that extra level of generosity and mercy, you can repair the damage that you might have done in the past.
01:20:44At least to the relationship.
01:20:45You can't fix broken things a lot of times.
01:20:47But you can make up for a broken relationship through kindness.
01:20:54Yeah.
01:20:54How about this scenario?
01:20:55How about, you know, somebody does something to you and they're not asking for forgiveness.
01:21:00But we've still asked to forgive and then we forgive that person.
01:21:06And it's still not full forgiveness, right?
01:21:10Because that person still hasn't asked the father to forgive them for what they have done to you.
01:21:18But I guess you can atone for those things through forgiveness so things won't get worse, right?
01:21:25So that you won't be vengeful or something like that.
01:21:28But there's still never full forgiveness until that person's come and asked for that forgiveness from you and from God.
01:21:37But you showing them that forgiveness might actually prompt them to do that at some point in the future.
01:21:42You know, heaping coals of fire on their head, not because you want to do them harm, but because you want to stir their conscience to try to make it right.
01:21:50That's right.
01:21:51That makes sense.
01:21:53Cool.
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