Proverbs 20 with CSBS (full version)

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The Common Sense Bible Study crew discusses Proverbs 20 and themes of hidden motives and unbalanced scales. Everything is good if used according to its divinely intended purpose. Alcohol, government, sex, etc. The real problems come in when these things are unbalanced or in the wrong context.  From Jay Carper at Common Sense Bible Study (https://CommonSenseBibleStudy.com) and American Torah (https://www.AmericanTorah.com).  This content is free, but I accept contributions via Paypal at https://jaycarper.com/paypal.  Send me a friend request on The Torah Network: https://jaycarper.com/ttn Follow me on X: https://jaycarper.com/twitter Follow me on Facebook: https://jaycarper.com/fbat

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00:00:00All right, we're talking about Proverbs 20, and I put the subtitle of Hidden Motives and Unbalanced Scales because these are two themes that appear over and over in the Proverbs in this chapter, whether it's the motives of somebody else, the motives of yourself that you don't understand, and unbalanced scales, not just in the economic and commerce sense, but in all areas of life.

00:00:29Finding the right balance in finances, in your food and drink, in your daily habits. Everything has its purpose, and everything is good if used in the correct way for the correct purposes.

00:00:45So, in our four questions, what speaks to you, what puzzles you, what surprises you, and what offends you?

00:01:15But a man of understanding will draw it out. Many a man proclaims his own steadfast love, but a faithful man who can find.

00:01:24The righteous who walks in his integrity, blessed are his children after him.

00:01:28The king who sits on the throne of judgment winnows all evil with his eyes.

00:01:33Who can say, I have made my heart pure, I am clean from my sin?

00:01:37Unequal weights and unequal measures are both alike in abomination to the Lord.

00:01:41Even a child makes himself known by his acts, by whether his conduct is pure and upright.

00:01:47The hearing ear and the seeing eye, the Lord has made them both.

00:01:51Love not sleep, lest you come to poverty. Open your eyes, and you will have plenty of bread.

00:01:56Bad, bad, says the buyer, but when he goes away, then he boasts.

00:02:00There is gold and abundance of costly stones, but the lips of knowledge are a precious jewel.

00:02:04Take a man's garment when he has put up security for a stranger, and hold it in pledge when he puts up security for foreigners.

00:02:12Bread gained by deceit is sweet to a man, but afterward his mouth will be full of gravel.

00:02:18Plans are established by counsel, but wise guidance, by wise guidance, wage war.

00:02:24Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets, therefore do not associate with a simple babbler.

00:02:29If one curses his father or his mother, his lamp will be put out in utter darkness.

00:02:35An inheritance gained hastily in the beginning will not be blessed in the end.

00:02:39Do not say, I will repay evil. Wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you.

00:02:44Unequal weights are an abomination to the Lord, and false scales are not good.

00:02:49A man's steps are from the Lord. How, then, can man understand his way?

00:02:53It is a snare to say rashly it is holy, and to reflect only after making vows.

00:03:00A wise king winnows the wicked and drives the wheel over them.

00:03:03The spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord, searching all his innermost parts.

00:03:09Steadfast love and faithfulness preserve the king, and by steadfast love his throne is upheld.

00:03:14The glory of young men is their strength, but the splendor of old men is their gray hair.

00:03:19Blows that wound, cleanse away evil. Strokes make clean the innermost parts.

00:03:26Verses 1 and 2.

00:03:27When you first look at these verses, you might not see the connection.

00:03:32But I believe that these two verses are a deliberate parallelism,

00:03:36both comparing and contrasting wine and the king or government, you know, alcohol and government.

00:03:43You know, there's a famous saying.

00:03:45One of the founding fathers said that government is like, essentially, it's a great servant and a fearful master.

00:03:53I'm sure it was more eloquent in the original.

00:03:56But I think that that's very similar to what is being said in these two verses.

00:04:01I'll show you what I mean.

00:04:02Here's how I believe that this parallelism works out.

00:04:06A scoffer is wine.

00:04:08Notice that the word order here is a little different than what I read in the English Standard Version.

00:04:14And what I did is I went back to the Hebrew and rearranged the words in the original word order in the Hebrew.

00:04:21So a scoffer is wine.

00:04:23He is paired with roaring of a lion.

00:04:25A brawler is a liquor.

00:04:26Paired with terror of a king.

00:04:28Whoever goes astray connects with whoever crosses him.

00:04:32And doesn't get wisdom connects with forfeits his life.

00:04:36Now, let me show you the text and show you how I came up with that word order in.

00:04:43OK, so here's the King James with the Strong's Index numbers listed next to it.

00:04:48So let me find my Bible again.

00:04:51And OK, so King James with the Strong's numbers.

00:04:56If you're not aware of this or if you don't remember from the Chiasm course,

00:05:00Strong's index numbers are essentially an index of every Hebrew and Greek word that was used in the manuscripts that were used to translate the King James Bible.

00:05:10They're almost identical to the same manuscripts that are used to translate the English Standard and the NIV and all these other translations.

00:05:20There are some minor differences, but they're essentially the same.

00:05:23And at least in ESWORD, if you hover over that index number, you get the Strong's Concordance Dictionary or the Strong's Concordance Definition.

00:05:34It's not always the best definition, but you can click on it and get to the Brown and Driver Briggs, which is much better for Hebrew or the Thayer's Greek Dictionary for the New Testament.

00:05:45So anyways, wine is H3196, and you can see how I copied these numbers over here.

00:05:53So let me go to the Hebrew Old Testament, and you don't necessarily even need to know Hebrew to be able to take advantage of this feature in ESWORD because it puts that Strong's number right next to each Hebrew word so you can see where it falls in the verse.

00:06:08And this is great for validating a chiasm or a parallelism.

00:06:12So looking at those Hebrew words, you can see how the first word in the Hebrew—remember, Hebrew goes from right to left instead of left to right—the first word is H3887, which is actually not the first word in the King James.

00:06:28It's actually the second word.

00:06:30So we'll take that word, maker, and then 3196 is wine, and 1993 is raging.

00:06:40Let me fix that spacing.

00:06:4379.41, or rather, I'm looking at the Hebrew.

00:06:4779.41, yeah, is strong drink or raging, strong drink.

00:06:54And in the Hebrew over here, this is where I'm at now.

00:06:59So in the Hebrew, it's 3605.

00:07:02At the end of that line is the next word, and that is whosoever.

00:07:08And 7686 in King James, that's translated as deceived.

00:07:14But if you look at the Brown Driver Briggs, to go astray, to err, to meander, to lead astray.

00:07:25So it can mean deceived, or it can mean just to go astray.

00:07:29And I think astray is better, and you'll see why.

00:07:33Back to the Hebrew, 3808 is not, or is not, and 2449 is wise.

00:07:45So that's how I got this word order.

00:07:50Pull that up.

00:07:52This is the Hebrew word order.

00:07:54Mocker, wine, raging, strong drink, whosoever stray is not wise.

00:08:00So you can see kind of where I got this word order over here.

00:08:03I'm not going to go through verse 2, because that's kind of tedious.

00:08:06But if you look at verse 1, a scoffer is wine.

00:08:10Kind of sounds like Yoda, but essentially it means that wine is a scoffer.

00:08:16This is something that wine is saying.

00:08:17Scoffing is mocking or making fun of something.

00:08:21So wine scoffs, lions roar.

00:08:24Liquor is a brawler.

00:08:25That's something that it does or does to you.

00:08:28It makes you fight, or it fights you.

00:08:31Terror of a king, and this is something that a king does to you.

00:08:34It inspires terror.

00:08:36Both of these are some, like, an emotional reaction.

00:08:40Liquor is a brawler.

00:08:41It can also be translated as liquor or strong drink is a rager or causes rage.

00:08:48And then whoever goes astray, whoever crosses him,

00:08:52we can look at the definitions for that real quick.

00:08:54This book in verse 2 says,

00:09:01whoever provokes him to anger, but that's all just one word in Hebrew,

00:09:05and it's a bar, which means to pass over, to alienate,

00:09:09to pass away, to be crossed.

00:09:12So what I think it's talking about there is,

00:09:15it is talking about making him angry,

00:09:17but literally it's about crossing him the wrong way.

00:09:20So whoever goes astray and whoever crosses him,

00:09:24both the same kind of idea.

00:09:26It's a person who is going the wrong direction.

00:09:29And in verse 1, doesn't get wisdom.

00:09:32And in verse 2, forfeits his life.

00:09:34In both cases, it's something that you lose.

00:09:36You could have gotten, but you lost.

00:09:38Or that you could have had, but you lost.

00:09:40And that's why I think that these two verses are a deliberate parallelism.

00:09:45They're not just placed here randomly,

00:09:46but they are structured this way

00:09:48so that we will make a connection between the two verses.

00:09:52And you can think the same thing about fire.

00:09:54Fire will harm you if you use it incorrectly.

00:09:58Alcohol will harm you if you use it incorrectly.

00:10:02Government will harm you if you use it incorrectly.

00:10:04All three of these are the same basic principle.

00:10:08And all things are good if they are used in their proper context.

00:10:14And Paul even talks about this,

00:10:16that he's convinced that there's nothing unclean in itself.

00:10:20And what he means is not ritually unclean

00:10:22for use in the temple or at the altar

00:10:26because God says otherwise.

00:10:27What he means is that everything has a purpose.

00:10:31Everything is fit for the use for which God created it.

00:10:37And Proverbs elsewhere talks about some of the proper uses of alcohol.

00:10:41And Yeshua created alcohol at the wedding in Cana.

00:10:46This is something that God created for a purpose.

00:10:50And it can be used socially.

00:10:52It can be used medicinally.

00:10:53But what it should never be used as

00:10:55is something to make you feel

00:10:59like you don't have to fix your problems.

00:11:01Something to escape from your problems.

00:11:04Because that's when you're going to go astray.

00:11:06It's not the alcohol itself.

00:11:08It's the misuse of the alcohol that is the problem.

00:11:11And I think that everything that exists

00:11:13exists on a spectrum of hazard.

00:11:17Everything is dangerous in its way.

00:11:20Cars are great things.

00:11:22But if you misuse it,

00:11:23you're going to get hurt.

00:11:24You're going to hurt somebody else.

00:11:26Fire is a great thing.

00:11:27But if you play with fire,

00:11:28if you light the wrong things on fire,

00:11:31you're going to get hurt.

00:11:32And you're going to destroy things.

00:11:34If you approach a king in the wrong way,

00:11:36or a judge,

00:11:37or a mayor,

00:11:38or any person with power and authority over you,

00:11:41if you approach them in the wrong way

00:11:43so that you offend them,

00:11:45this could hurt you.

00:11:46It could destroy your life.

00:11:48It could cost you whatever it is

00:11:49that you're trying to get from the government.

00:11:51It doesn't really matter if it's fair or not.

00:11:53It's just the way the world works.

00:11:54Paula, I'm curious if you have any thoughts on this,

00:11:58anything you want to add.

00:11:59And whenever I take a breath,

00:12:01if there's something you want to add,

00:12:02feel free to jump in.

00:12:04Yeah, because you talk so much.

00:12:06It's the coffee.

00:12:08See, now there's a substance

00:12:09that if misused can cause problems.

00:12:10If misused,

00:12:11but you're not misusing it.

00:12:14No, I think it's really interesting,

00:12:17the parallel between verse one and verse two,

00:12:20and how that works out

00:12:21when you really look at the original Hebrew,

00:12:25it's just what you've said is true.

00:12:29It's important to understand.

00:12:32And I think that,

00:12:33yeah, I mean,

00:12:34I think what you said about it,

00:12:35just pointing out,

00:12:36you know,

00:12:37the misuse issue is really,

00:12:39is totally valid.

00:12:41Because wine on its own can't do anything.

00:12:44And it doesn't do anything

00:12:48unless you drink it.

00:12:49So you have to like,

00:12:51choose how you're going to drink it.

00:12:53Yeah.

00:12:53And drinking in the wrong time

00:12:55or the wrong place

00:12:56with the wrong people

00:12:57and the wrong volume,

00:12:59all of those things contribute

00:13:00to whether it's going to be a problem or not.

00:13:02It's true with everything

00:13:03that you put into your body,

00:13:04you know, with food.

00:13:06I mean, this is more your specialty,

00:13:08but sugar or even meat

00:13:11or vegetables even.

00:13:13And if you eat too much

00:13:14at the wrong time

00:13:16and the wrong balance,

00:13:18you're going to cause problems for yourself.

00:13:21Yeah.

00:13:21I do think it's interesting

00:13:22if you think about

00:13:24wine being a scoffer,

00:13:26a brawler,

00:13:27if you go astray,

00:13:29you don't get wisdom.

00:13:32And then you look at the

00:13:33lion,

00:13:35the essentially government,

00:13:39there's something

00:13:41that I was thinking about

00:13:42in terms of the emotional connection

00:13:44around this

00:13:46and how

00:13:48if wine is something

00:13:50that you have

00:13:51easier access to it.

00:13:53Yeah, that's true.

00:13:55The thing about the king,

00:13:56you don't necessarily have

00:13:58easy access to a king,

00:14:00but if we're thinking about this

00:14:01from a spiritual standpoint,

00:14:02then we're looking at this

00:14:04as Yeshua

00:14:05or God even,

00:14:08then it's like

00:14:09a different

00:14:10kind of access

00:14:11and this idea

00:14:12that if we

00:14:14cross the king

00:14:15or if we

00:14:16look at

00:14:17wine as a scoffer,

00:14:19if it goes astray,

00:14:21he doesn't get wisdom.

00:14:22There's also this question

00:14:24of

00:14:24if we're

00:14:26obedient to the king,

00:14:27then

00:14:29maybe we get wisdom

00:14:31just because

00:14:33we're talking about

00:14:33parallels here

00:14:35and it's like,

00:14:36yes,

00:14:36we would lose our life

00:14:37if we cross him,

00:14:38but

00:14:38we also

00:14:40could gain wisdom

00:14:41if we don't.

00:14:42So there's kind of

00:14:43this application

00:14:44when you look back

00:14:46at

00:14:46one

00:14:47that

00:14:48from the positive

00:14:50standpoint,

00:14:50you could look at this

00:14:51and say,

00:14:52oh yeah,

00:14:52you could get wisdom

00:14:53and keep your life.

00:14:55Yeah,

00:14:56and you have to

00:14:57pay attention to

00:14:58how powerful

00:14:59one of these things is.

00:15:01You know,

00:15:01alcohol

00:15:01is not nearly

00:15:03as dangerous

00:15:04as a king.

00:15:06Not that it won't

00:15:07ruin your life,

00:15:08but it's not going

00:15:08to cut your head off.

00:15:10It's not going to put you

00:15:11in front of a firing squad,

00:15:12at least not right away.

00:15:13It could

00:15:13lead you to make decisions

00:15:15that put you there.

00:15:17For example,

00:15:18if you abuse alcohol,

00:15:19you may end up

00:15:20in trouble with the government,

00:15:21but you have to

00:15:22weigh

00:15:23whatever it is

00:15:25you're talking about,

00:15:26whether it's

00:15:26sugar or coffee

00:15:27or alcohol

00:15:28or government,

00:15:31you have to weigh

00:15:32the potential consequences

00:15:33of misusing it

00:15:34and how quick

00:15:35are those consequences.

00:15:38And

00:15:38sometimes

00:15:39the consequences,

00:15:42you know,

00:15:42the time lag

00:15:43between

00:15:43the

00:15:44cause and effect

00:15:46can be deceiving.

00:15:49For example,

00:15:50if I do something

00:15:51today

00:15:51that's going

00:15:52to get me

00:15:53in trouble

00:15:53with the government,

00:15:54but they don't

00:15:54find out

00:15:55for, you know,

00:15:5610 years down the road,

00:15:57it could destroy

00:15:58my life then

00:15:58and I might think

00:15:59that I've gotten

00:16:00away with it.

00:16:01And the same thing

00:16:02happens with alcohol

00:16:03or drugs

00:16:03or anything else.

00:16:05You can

00:16:06do a little today

00:16:08and that's maybe

00:16:09not a problem.

00:16:10And for most people,

00:16:11it's not.

00:16:12It's just fine.

00:16:13But

00:16:14it can kind of

00:16:15creep up on you

00:16:16and you

00:16:16have to know

00:16:17yourself,

00:16:17you have to

00:16:18know your

00:16:18circumstances,

00:16:19how much

00:16:20can you

00:16:20handle?

00:16:21And really

00:16:21it takes

00:16:22time and

00:16:22wisdom to

00:16:23figure that

00:16:23kind of

00:16:23thing out

00:16:24with everything.

00:16:25You know,

00:16:26some things

00:16:26are obvious.

00:16:27I mean,

00:16:28there are

00:16:28some drugs

00:16:29that nobody

00:16:30should ever

00:16:30take because

00:16:31there's no

00:16:31good reason

00:16:32to.

00:16:33But when

00:16:34you also

00:16:34apply that

00:16:36to verse

00:16:36two and

00:16:38you think

00:16:38about breaking

00:16:40little laws,

00:16:42that could add

00:16:43up,

00:16:43that could

00:16:43become a

00:16:44problem.

00:16:45you think

00:16:47about the

00:16:48commandments

00:16:49and you

00:16:49think about

00:16:50like just

00:16:50breaking the

00:16:51little ones,

00:16:52maybe not

00:16:52breaking the

00:16:53big ones.

00:16:54But then

00:16:55eventually it

00:16:56becomes part

00:16:56of your

00:16:57character.

00:16:58Yeah.

00:16:59And then

00:16:59you're in

00:17:00big trouble.

00:17:02You can

00:17:02still apply

00:17:03the same

00:17:04principle

00:17:05behind the

00:17:07actions you

00:17:08could be

00:17:09taking in

00:17:09verse two

00:17:10toward

00:17:11government

00:17:12and not

00:17:14feel the

00:17:14consequences

00:17:15right away.

00:17:16But I

00:17:17think we

00:17:17all have

00:17:18experience

00:17:19probably with

00:17:21alcohol to

00:17:21know that

00:17:22like you

00:17:23experience

00:17:23the pros

00:17:26and cons

00:17:26pretty quickly

00:17:27and it's

00:17:29very personal.

00:17:30You know,

00:17:31there's a huge

00:17:31difference.

00:17:32So it's kind

00:17:33of an interesting

00:17:33thing to have

00:17:34it paralleled

00:17:35one against

00:17:36the other

00:17:36because it

00:17:37really is

00:17:37something that

00:17:38they can

00:17:40affect you

00:17:40in a couple

00:17:42different ways

00:17:43character

00:17:43wise and

00:17:45they can

00:17:45slowly build

00:17:46into something

00:17:46bigger but

00:17:47also that

00:17:48you don't

00:17:49necessarily

00:17:50like with

00:17:52sin you

00:17:53don't

00:17:53necessarily

00:17:53see the

00:17:54consequences

00:17:55right away.

00:17:57And you

00:17:58could be doing

00:17:59it habitually

00:17:59before you

00:18:00really see

00:18:00that.

00:18:02Yeah.

00:18:02And with

00:18:04sin there's

00:18:04no there's

00:18:05no good

00:18:05level of

00:18:06sin.

00:18:06There's

00:18:07no right

00:18:07this much

00:18:08is okay

00:18:09and this

00:18:09but I

00:18:10won't go

00:18:11past this.

00:18:12There's no

00:18:12point like

00:18:13that with

00:18:13sin.

00:18:13All sin

00:18:14is bad.

00:18:15Now of

00:18:15course some

00:18:16sins are

00:18:16definitely

00:18:17worse than

00:18:17others because

00:18:18of how it

00:18:18impacts you

00:18:19or the

00:18:19people around

00:18:20you.

00:18:21Can't remember

00:18:21exactly where

00:18:22I was going

00:18:22with that but

00:18:23you know

00:18:23alcohol on

00:18:24the other

00:18:24hand is

00:18:25you have

00:18:26to know

00:18:27yourself and

00:18:28you have to

00:18:28know what

00:18:29its what

00:18:29its effects

00:18:30are.

00:18:31There is an

00:18:32appropriate time

00:18:33and place

00:18:34to drink

00:18:36alcohol.

00:18:37I mean I

00:18:37know I

00:18:38probably get

00:18:38myself into

00:18:39trouble with

00:18:39some people

00:18:39saying that but

00:18:40it's just the

00:18:41fact.

00:18:42There's no

00:18:42commandment in

00:18:43scripture against

00:18:44drinking but

00:18:45it really comes

00:18:46down to you

00:18:48have to know

00:18:49the substance

00:18:49and you have

00:18:50to know

00:18:50yourself.

00:18:52And there's

00:18:53no hard and

00:18:54fast line saying

00:18:55this much is

00:18:56okay and this

00:18:56much is not.

00:18:57That's why you

00:18:58have to know

00:18:58yourself and

00:19:00what its effects

00:19:00are on you.

00:19:01If you're the

00:19:02kind of person

00:19:03who is easily

00:19:04addicted to

00:19:05substances if

00:19:06you are easily

00:19:08affected if

00:19:09you know you

00:19:09make bad

00:19:10decisions when

00:19:10you drink then

00:19:12maybe you

00:19:12shouldn't drink

00:19:12at all.

00:19:14But you

00:19:14know on the

00:19:15other hand

00:19:15there are

00:19:16people who

00:19:16alcohol helps

00:19:18them sometimes.

00:19:20People like

00:19:21me who may

00:19:21have some

00:19:22trouble in

00:19:22social situations

00:19:23a drink may

00:19:25really make

00:19:27that a whole

00:19:27lot easier and

00:19:28less stressful.

00:19:29But even

00:19:31then you always

00:19:32have to be

00:19:32careful because

00:19:33it's so

00:19:34easy.

00:19:35Like I

00:19:36said there's

00:19:36no solid

00:19:37line that

00:19:37says this

00:19:38is enough

00:19:39and this

00:19:39is too

00:19:39much.

00:19:41And once

00:19:41you start

00:19:42down the

00:19:44path of

00:19:45softening your

00:19:47ability to

00:19:48make sound

00:19:48decisions,

00:19:50how will you

00:19:50even know when

00:19:51you reach that

00:19:51point?

00:19:53It's good to

00:19:53have people

00:19:53around you who

00:19:54are willing and

00:19:55able to point

00:19:56it out and

00:19:57you have to be

00:19:57able to listen

00:19:57to them too.

00:19:59Have I gone

00:20:00too far?

00:20:00That kind

00:20:01of thing.

00:20:02All right,

00:20:02let's move

00:20:03on.

00:20:04Verse 3,

00:20:07it is an

00:20:07honor for a

00:20:08man to keep

00:20:09aloof from

00:20:09strife that

00:20:10every fool

00:20:11will be

00:20:11quarreling.

00:20:12This applies

00:20:13in all

00:20:14realms of

00:20:15life,

00:20:15politics,

00:20:16sports,

00:20:17religion,

00:20:17philosophy,

00:20:19teaching

00:20:19things,

00:20:20imparting

00:20:20knowledge to

00:20:21people,

00:20:22and being

00:20:24a peacemaker.

00:20:25These things

00:20:26are good and

00:20:27honorable.

00:20:27on the

00:20:29other side,

00:20:30hostile

00:20:31debate,

00:20:32always picking

00:20:32a fight,

00:20:33being a

00:20:33troll,

00:20:34creating

00:20:34conflict.

00:20:35These things

00:20:36are dishonorable.

00:20:37Unless you're

00:20:38in a war

00:20:39trying to

00:20:40defend

00:20:41yourself,

00:20:42then there's

00:20:43almost never

00:20:45an honorable

00:20:45way to do

00:20:46that.

00:20:47It's going to

00:20:49cause problems

00:20:49in your

00:20:49relationships,

00:20:50of course.

00:20:51Verse 4,

00:20:53the slugger

00:20:53does not

00:20:54plow in the

00:20:54autumn.

00:20:55He will

00:20:55seek at

00:20:55harvest and

00:20:56have nothing.

00:20:57It seems

00:20:58pretty obvious,

00:20:59but this

00:21:00doesn't just

00:21:01apply to

00:21:01agriculture.

00:21:03This applies

00:21:04again in

00:21:04everything.

00:21:06There is,

00:21:07I think I've

00:21:08mentioned this

00:21:08before,

00:21:09but there's

00:21:09no such

00:21:09thing as

00:21:10an overnight

00:21:10success.

00:21:11People work

00:21:12for years

00:21:13and years

00:21:14and then

00:21:14all of a

00:21:15sudden

00:21:15everything

00:21:15explodes

00:21:16and nobody

00:21:17noticed them

00:21:17before that.

00:21:18They think

00:21:19of them

00:21:19as an

00:21:19overnight

00:21:20success,

00:21:21but really

00:21:21there's

00:21:22years of

00:21:22planning and

00:21:23work that

00:21:23went into

00:21:24that.

00:21:26This is

00:21:26the same

00:21:27with

00:21:27everything.

00:21:27If you

00:21:27want to

00:21:28have a

00:21:28productive

00:21:29and happy

00:21:29life,

00:21:30you start

00:21:31when you're

00:21:31a child.

00:21:32You start

00:21:33by honoring

00:21:34your parents,

00:21:34by learning

00:21:35the rules,

00:21:36learning how to

00:21:37be a friend

00:21:38and how to

00:21:39be honest,

00:21:40how to

00:21:41control

00:21:41yourself.

00:21:43Then later

00:21:45on in life,

00:21:45once you've

00:21:46done that,

00:21:46then those

00:21:47plans,

00:21:47they sprout,

00:21:49they bear

00:21:50fruit.

00:21:50I really

00:21:52can't think

00:21:52of any

00:21:53part of

00:21:54life where

00:21:55that doesn't

00:21:55apply.

00:21:57We were

00:21:57just talking

00:21:57about verse

00:21:58four,

00:22:00and the

00:22:00slugger does

00:22:01not plow

00:22:01in the

00:22:01autumn,

00:22:02and he'll

00:22:02seek at

00:22:03harvest and

00:22:03have nothing,

00:22:04and how this

00:22:05applies to

00:22:05long-term

00:22:06plans in

00:22:06life.

00:22:07You can't

00:22:09expect to

00:22:10have overnight

00:22:10success,

00:22:10just decide

00:22:11that something

00:22:12is going to

00:22:12happen and

00:22:13make it

00:22:13happen.

00:22:14You have

00:22:16to start

00:22:16from the

00:22:16beginning.

00:22:17Start when

00:22:17you're a

00:22:17child with

00:22:18honoring your

00:22:19parents and

00:22:20following the

00:22:21rules of

00:22:21society,

00:22:22learning how

00:22:22to be a

00:22:23friend and

00:22:23to be

00:22:23trustworthy,

00:22:25and learn

00:22:26how to

00:22:26work hard.

00:22:27Later in

00:22:27life,

00:22:28these things

00:22:29bear fruit.

00:22:30Plow the

00:22:31fields,

00:22:32plant your

00:22:32seeds and

00:22:33your youth

00:22:33so that you

00:22:34can have a

00:22:34good harvest

00:22:34in your

00:22:35old age.

00:22:36But that's

00:22:37not the way

00:22:38that our

00:22:38modern culture

00:22:38wants it

00:22:39to work.

00:22:40I was

00:22:41reading

00:22:41Proverbs

00:22:4222,

00:22:43this morning

00:22:44and there's

00:22:46some similar

00:22:47themes.

00:22:49I will have

00:22:50to go back

00:22:50and read

00:22:51this more

00:22:52in depth,

00:22:54but I pulled

00:22:55it up so

00:22:55now I can

00:22:56at least

00:22:56follow along

00:22:57with you

00:22:57guys.

00:22:58Okay.

00:22:59Yeah,

00:22:59there's a lot

00:23:00of repetition

00:23:00in the

00:23:01Proverbs.

00:23:02Frequently,

00:23:03the repeated

00:23:04proverb just

00:23:05takes a

00:23:06slightly different

00:23:06angle on

00:23:07something.

00:23:08For example,

00:23:09we've got

00:23:09two proverbs

00:23:10that say

00:23:11almost exactly

00:23:12the same

00:23:12thing in

00:23:13this chapter

00:23:13alone.

00:23:15Let's move

00:23:15on to

00:23:16verse 5.

00:23:18This is one

00:23:19that actually

00:23:19surprised me

00:23:20a little bit.

00:23:21The purpose

00:23:22in a man's

00:23:22heart is

00:23:23like deep

00:23:23water,

00:23:24but a man

00:23:24of understanding

00:23:25will draw

00:23:25it out.

00:23:28My first

00:23:29thought is

00:23:29deep water

00:23:31is dark,

00:23:33mysterious,

00:23:34you can't

00:23:35really see

00:23:35what's going

00:23:35on in

00:23:36there.

00:23:36so another

00:23:38person,

00:23:39it takes

00:23:40a person

00:23:40of discernment

00:23:41to be able

00:23:41to see

00:23:42what's

00:23:42motivating

00:23:44another

00:23:44person.

00:23:45That's

00:23:46totally

00:23:46true.

00:23:47I think

00:23:47that is

00:23:47what this

00:23:48proverb

00:23:48is saying,

00:23:49but you

00:23:51can also

00:23:51apply it

00:23:52to yourself.

00:23:53We all

00:23:54think that

00:23:54we know

00:23:55what we're

00:23:55doing and

00:23:55why,

00:23:56but frequently

00:23:57those motives

00:23:58are deep

00:23:59and obscure

00:24:00even to

00:24:00ourselves.

00:24:01and it

00:24:02takes

00:24:02somebody

00:24:03else to

00:24:04be able

00:24:04to point

00:24:04out to

00:24:05us why

00:24:05we're really

00:24:05doing what

00:24:06we're doing.

00:24:07And that

00:24:08can be

00:24:08difficult to

00:24:09accept and

00:24:10sometimes

00:24:10painful,

00:24:11but I think

00:24:12it happens

00:24:13at least as

00:24:13often as

00:24:14the other

00:24:14way around.

00:24:15It's funny,

00:24:16my husband

00:24:16used to be

00:24:17in law

00:24:18enforcement

00:24:18and did

00:24:19a lot

00:24:20of

00:24:20interrogations

00:24:22and interrogations

00:24:23of very

00:24:24high-profile

00:24:26cases,

00:24:27terrorists

00:24:28and different

00:24:29people that

00:24:30had a lot

00:24:31of,

00:24:33shall we

00:24:33say,

00:24:34probably

00:24:34conflicting

00:24:35motivations.

00:24:37And he

00:24:37would,

00:24:38my husband

00:24:38always said

00:24:39that there

00:24:41is no way

00:24:42to ever

00:24:43tell what

00:24:44somebody's

00:24:45true motivation

00:24:46is because

00:24:47they themselves

00:24:48don't even

00:24:48know what

00:24:49their true

00:24:49motivation is.

00:24:51There's just

00:24:51so much

00:24:52there that

00:24:53you can

00:24:54try and

00:24:55assess,

00:24:56but you

00:24:58on the

00:24:58outside

00:24:59are

00:24:59making

00:25:00a guess

00:25:01and really

00:25:02the person

00:25:02themselves

00:25:03doesn't

00:25:04know

00:25:04often

00:25:05what their

00:25:06true motivation

00:25:06is.

00:25:07So I

00:25:07wonder

00:25:08when this

00:25:09verse is

00:25:09saying

00:25:10a man

00:25:11of understanding

00:25:12will draw

00:25:12it out,

00:25:13is that

00:25:13saying that

00:25:14the person

00:25:16themselves,

00:25:18the man

00:25:18or woman

00:25:19whatever,

00:25:19themselves,

00:25:20is drawing

00:25:21it out

00:25:22for themselves?

00:25:24It could,

00:25:25yeah.

00:25:26That's not

00:25:27the way I

00:25:27took it,

00:25:27but yeah,

00:25:28I think that's

00:25:29a valid

00:25:29interpretation

00:25:29too.

00:25:31Just through

00:25:31some

00:25:32introspection

00:25:33and self

00:25:34assessment.

00:25:36Sometimes we

00:25:36really have

00:25:37to think

00:25:37about it.

00:25:38I mean,

00:25:38it's just

00:25:39odd because

00:25:39it says

00:25:40the purpose

00:25:40in a man's

00:25:41heart is

00:25:41like deep

00:25:42water,

00:25:42but a man

00:25:42of understanding

00:25:43will draw

00:25:44it out.

00:25:44So I

00:25:44was reading

00:25:46it as

00:25:46the characteristic

00:25:48of a person

00:25:50to seek

00:25:51understanding

00:25:51allows them

00:25:54to dig

00:25:55into their

00:25:55own motivation.

00:25:57That's good.

00:25:58I like

00:25:58it.

00:25:59Certainly

00:25:59it's true

00:26:00that an

00:26:01objective

00:26:01observer

00:26:02is often

00:26:03helpful,

00:26:04but if

00:26:05somebody

00:26:06is a

00:26:08man of

00:26:08understanding

00:26:09or a

00:26:09woman of

00:26:10understanding,

00:26:10are they

00:26:11then digging

00:26:12in for

00:26:13themselves

00:26:13because

00:26:14that's

00:26:15their

00:26:15characteristic?

00:26:16They seek

00:26:16understanding.

00:26:18Yeah,

00:26:18well,

00:26:18I think

00:26:19it's both.

00:26:19I think

00:26:20some people

00:26:21will be able

00:26:22to self

00:26:24analyze,

00:26:24self

00:26:25assess,

00:26:26and figure

00:26:27out why

00:26:27they're doing

00:26:28what they're

00:26:28doing or

00:26:29why they

00:26:29believe the

00:26:30way that

00:26:31they do.

00:26:32Other people

00:26:33will never

00:26:34be able to

00:26:34figure that

00:26:35out for

00:26:35themselves and

00:26:36will have to

00:26:36rely on

00:26:37other people.

00:26:38And there

00:26:39are some

00:26:39people,

00:26:40you know,

00:26:40actually,

00:26:41if you go

00:26:41down to

00:26:41verse 8,

00:26:42a king who

00:26:43sits on the

00:26:43throne of

00:26:44judgment,

00:26:44winnows all

00:26:45evil with

00:26:45his eyes.

00:26:47Of course,

00:26:47that's not all

00:26:48kings,

00:26:48not all rulers

00:26:49have that kind

00:26:49of discernment,

00:26:50but I think

00:26:51this is really

00:26:51what this is

00:26:52talking about,

00:26:53is that

00:26:53somebody who

00:26:55has a

00:26:57really deep

00:26:57understanding of

00:26:58human nature

00:26:59and other

00:26:59people will

00:27:01be able to

00:27:01look at

00:27:02somebody,

00:27:03even a

00:27:03stranger,

00:27:04and be able

00:27:05to understand

00:27:07a lot about

00:27:08where that

00:27:08person is

00:27:09coming from

00:27:09and why

00:27:10they're doing

00:27:10what they're

00:27:10doing,

00:27:11even if the

00:27:11other person

00:27:12doesn't know.

00:27:13You know,

00:27:13I used to

00:27:14work with a

00:27:14guy who

00:27:15was,

00:27:15he was a

00:27:17sheriff's deputy

00:27:17for many

00:27:18years,

00:27:18and then he

00:27:19worked for

00:27:19the FBI,

00:27:20he was an

00:27:20interrogator

00:27:21for the

00:27:22FBI,

00:27:23and he

00:27:24had a lot

00:27:25of practice

00:27:25at trying

00:27:27to figure

00:27:27out what

00:27:28was really

00:27:28going on

00:27:29with what

00:27:29somebody was

00:27:30saying and

00:27:30doing,

00:27:31and this

00:27:33was in

00:27:33IT,

00:27:34so he

00:27:35wasn't in

00:27:35that kind

00:27:36of role

00:27:36anymore.

00:27:36He had

00:27:37retired and

00:27:38changed

00:27:38careers,

00:27:39but I do

00:27:40remember having

00:27:40conversations

00:27:41with him,

00:27:42and he

00:27:42would look

00:27:43at me

00:27:43sideways and

00:27:44say,

00:27:44is that

00:27:44really what's

00:27:45going on?

00:27:46I'd have

00:27:47to stop

00:27:47and think

00:27:47because he

00:27:48was usually

00:27:48right that

00:27:49there was

00:27:49something

00:27:50else.

00:27:51I was

00:27:52doing

00:27:52something for

00:27:52some other

00:27:53reason than

00:27:53what I

00:27:54thought,

00:27:54or somebody

00:27:54else was

00:27:56doing

00:27:56something,

00:27:57but there

00:27:59are people

00:27:59who have

00:27:59that kind

00:28:00of discernment.

00:28:00I'm not

00:28:01necessarily

00:28:01one of

00:28:02them,

00:28:02and I'm

00:28:04not really

00:28:04sure if I

00:28:04want to

00:28:05be,

00:28:05because I

00:28:05like giving

00:28:06people the

00:28:06benefit of

00:28:07the doubt.

00:28:08Sometimes that

00:28:09comes back to

00:28:09bite me.

00:28:10do you

00:28:11think that

00:28:12reading

00:28:14scripture

00:28:15can help

00:28:16us better

00:28:19understand our

00:28:20own motivations,

00:28:20or at

00:28:21least somehow

00:28:23be more

00:28:24introspective?

00:28:25I've been

00:28:26thinking about

00:28:26that because

00:28:27I've been

00:28:27reading so

00:28:28much recently,

00:28:29and I feel

00:28:31more introspective

00:28:32now just by

00:28:34virtue of

00:28:35reading scripture

00:28:36that has

00:28:37nothing,

00:28:39the stories

00:28:39that have

00:28:40nothing to

00:28:40do with

00:28:41me per

00:28:41se,

00:28:42but then

00:28:42I'm

00:28:44analyzing

00:28:44what's

00:28:45happening,

00:28:45or what

00:28:46the scripture

00:28:47is saying,

00:28:47and then I'm

00:28:48reflecting on

00:28:48my own

00:28:49life.

00:28:50I wonder

00:28:50if that's

00:28:51one of the

00:28:52qualities of

00:28:52seeking

00:28:53understanding,

00:28:54is just

00:28:54seeking

00:28:56truth in

00:28:57scripture,

00:28:58if that

00:28:59helps us

00:28:59be more

00:29:00aligned.

00:29:01I'm sure it

00:29:01does.

00:29:02What are

00:29:03our motivations?

00:29:04Why are we

00:29:04doing what

00:29:04we're doing?

00:29:06That's one

00:29:06of the

00:29:07things that

00:29:07Solomon says

00:29:08over and

00:29:08over in

00:29:08the Proverbs

00:29:09is that

00:29:10studying the

00:29:11scriptures and

00:29:12doing what

00:29:13they say

00:29:14will create

00:29:15more wisdom

00:29:16and more

00:29:16understanding

00:29:17in the

00:29:17people who

00:29:18are doing

00:29:19the studying

00:29:19and obeying.

00:29:22Especially,

00:29:24I think,

00:29:25there's some

00:29:26level of

00:29:27understanding you

00:29:27can get just

00:29:28from studying

00:29:29God's

00:29:30instructions to

00:29:30his people.

00:29:32You'll get

00:29:32another level

00:29:33of understanding

00:29:34by actually

00:29:34doing those

00:29:35things.

00:29:35And then

00:29:36coming to

00:29:37something like

00:29:37Proverbs and

00:29:38Ecclesiastes,

00:29:39the wisdom

00:29:39literature,

00:29:41and reading

00:29:42them through

00:29:43very carefully

00:29:43and meditating

00:29:45on what

00:29:45these things

00:29:46mean and

00:29:47how they

00:29:47connect to

00:29:47other passages

00:29:48in scripture,

00:29:49how they

00:29:49connect to

00:29:50various

00:29:50commandments

00:29:51and stories,

00:29:53I think

00:29:53that can't

00:29:54help but

00:29:55build a

00:29:56deeper level

00:29:56of understanding

00:29:57of human

00:29:57nature and

00:29:59understanding of

00:30:00other people

00:30:00and yourself.

00:30:02I think

00:30:02there's a lot

00:30:02of truth to

00:30:03that.

00:30:03I'm not

00:30:05familiar with

00:30:06Ecclesiastes,

00:30:07so tell me

00:30:08more on

00:30:08that front.

00:30:09Is that

00:30:09somehow,

00:30:10is that

00:30:11also a

00:30:12book that

00:30:14is relaying

00:30:15wisdom from

00:30:16one person

00:30:17to another?

00:30:18Well,

00:30:19it is,

00:30:21but it's

00:30:21really

00:30:22sort of

00:30:22Solomon's

00:30:23memoirs.

00:30:24You know,

00:30:25Proverbs is

00:30:25instruction

00:30:26mostly from

00:30:27a father

00:30:28to his

00:30:28sons.

00:30:29Ecclesiastes

00:30:30is the

00:30:30story of

00:30:31how Solomon

00:30:32got there,

00:30:32how he

00:30:33got his

00:30:33wisdom.

00:30:34And it's

00:30:36dark,

00:30:38existential,

00:30:39it's not

00:30:40a happy

00:30:42book.

00:30:42there's

00:30:43this story

00:30:44about how

00:30:46Solomon,

00:30:47you know,

00:30:47God came

00:30:47to Solomon

00:30:48and said,

00:30:49you know,

00:30:49ask me

00:30:49anything you

00:30:50want and

00:30:50I'll give

00:30:51it to you.

00:30:52And so

00:30:53Solomon said,

00:30:54you know,

00:30:54I don't want

00:30:55wealth,

00:30:56riches,

00:30:57all that kind

00:30:57of thing.

00:30:58I want

00:30:58wisdom to

00:30:59govern your

00:30:59people.

00:31:00And,

00:31:01you know,

00:31:01God replied

00:31:01with,

00:31:02well,

00:31:02that's great.

00:31:03And so I'm

00:31:04going to give

00:31:04you wisdom,

00:31:05but not only

00:31:05that,

00:31:05I'm also

00:31:06going to give

00:31:06you riches

00:31:06because you

00:31:07asked for

00:31:08such a wise

00:31:09gift.

00:31:10but I

00:31:12don't think

00:31:13that that

00:31:15God just

00:31:15zapped him

00:31:16with wisdom.

00:31:17He didn't

00:31:18just like

00:31:18wake up the

00:31:19next morning

00:31:19and he was

00:31:20the wisest

00:31:20man on

00:31:20earth.

00:31:21I think

00:31:22what God

00:31:22did was

00:31:23gave him

00:31:24some

00:31:24motivations

00:31:24and put

00:31:25him in

00:31:25situations

00:31:26where he

00:31:26would be

00:31:27forced to

00:31:27learn wisdom

00:31:28over time.

00:31:29And for

00:31:30the most

00:31:30part,

00:31:31people don't

00:31:32wisdom,

00:31:32don't learn

00:31:33wisdom from

00:31:34nice,

00:31:35happy events

00:31:36in their

00:31:36life.

00:31:37They learn

00:31:38wisdom from

00:31:38pain.

00:31:39And so

00:31:40the book

00:31:40of Ecclesiastes

00:31:41is probably

00:31:44the most

00:31:44existential

00:31:45and uncomfortable

00:31:46book in the

00:31:47Bible for

00:31:47Christians because

00:31:49it's pessimistic

00:31:51on many

00:31:52levels.

00:31:54And it's

00:31:54like,

00:31:54I've tried

00:31:55wine,

00:31:57I've tried

00:31:57women,

00:31:57I've tried

00:31:58all of these

00:31:58different

00:31:59experiences and

00:32:00nothing made

00:32:00me happy.

00:32:01Everything

00:32:01just made

00:32:02life worse.

00:32:04Meaningless,

00:32:04all is

00:32:05meaningless.

00:32:05That's how

00:32:06the book

00:32:06starts.

00:32:06But at

00:32:09the end,

00:32:09he says,

00:32:10here's what

00:32:10I've really

00:32:11learned from

00:32:11life.

00:32:12This is the

00:32:13whole duty

00:32:13of man,

00:32:14to fear

00:32:15God and

00:32:16keep the

00:32:16commandments.

00:32:18That's it.

00:32:19That's what

00:32:19Solomon learned

00:32:20through all

00:32:20his wisdom.

00:32:22So there

00:32:22is a lot

00:32:23of observations

00:32:24about human

00:32:25nature and

00:32:25life experiences

00:32:26in Ecclesiastes.

00:32:27And I think

00:32:28reading it,

00:32:28especially along

00:32:29the Proverbs,

00:32:31will,

00:32:32I mean,

00:32:32it can't help

00:32:32but develop a

00:32:33better understanding

00:32:34of human

00:32:35nature and

00:32:35the human

00:32:36experience.

00:32:38Does that

00:32:38all make

00:32:38sense?

00:32:39Yeah,

00:32:40that's so

00:32:40helpful.

00:32:42It actually

00:32:43sounds like a

00:32:43book that

00:32:44will resonate

00:32:44very profoundly

00:32:46with me.

00:32:47So that's

00:32:48great insight.

00:32:51Sure.

00:32:51You're welcome.

00:32:52So why don't

00:32:53we just

00:32:53continue on

00:32:54through here.

00:32:56Actually,

00:32:57we were on

00:32:57verse 5,

00:32:59the one we

00:33:00were just

00:33:00talking about.

00:33:00And I

00:33:02think verse

00:33:026 also

00:33:04connects with

00:33:04this proverb

00:33:05in the sense

00:33:06that,

00:33:07well,

00:33:07in both

00:33:08senses,

00:33:08you know,

00:33:09the purpose

00:33:09in a man's

00:33:11part is like

00:33:12deep water,

00:33:12but a man

00:33:13of understanding

00:33:13will draw it

00:33:14out.

00:33:15There's the

00:33:15one interpretation

00:33:16where it's

00:33:17the person

00:33:18doesn't know

00:33:19his own

00:33:19motivations.

00:33:21And so

00:33:21maybe he's

00:33:22got to go

00:33:22through some

00:33:23introspection

00:33:23or maybe he

00:33:24has to find

00:33:25somebody else

00:33:26to help him

00:33:26understand what's

00:33:27going on.

00:33:28There's also

00:33:29the other side

00:33:30where a person

00:33:31is hiding

00:33:31his motivations

00:33:32and it takes

00:33:34the discernment

00:33:34like the king

00:33:35in verse 8

00:33:35to understand

00:33:37what this

00:33:38person is

00:33:39really after.

00:33:40If you look

00:33:41at verse 6,

00:33:42many a man

00:33:43proclaims his

00:33:43own steadfast

00:33:44love,

00:33:45but a faithful

00:33:46man who can

00:33:46find.

00:33:47You have the

00:33:48exact same

00:33:49contrast.

00:33:50On the one

00:33:51hand,

00:33:51you have people

00:33:52who believe

00:33:52that they are

00:33:54showing love

00:33:56to the world.

00:33:57There's a

00:33:58preacher that I

00:33:59interact with

00:33:59on Twitter

00:34:00frequently and

00:34:02he's always

00:34:03talking about

00:34:03Christians need

00:34:04to show more

00:34:04love to the

00:34:07LGBTIA plus

00:34:08community,

00:34:09however many

00:34:11letters are in

00:34:11that acronym

00:34:12these days.

00:34:13And he takes

00:34:14this to the

00:34:15extreme of

00:34:16giving them

00:34:18full participation

00:34:19in his church,

00:34:20inviting them to

00:34:20lead worship,

00:34:21these things,

00:34:23and saying we

00:34:24have to invite

00:34:24them in to

00:34:25know Jesus.

00:34:26that's all

00:34:27great,

00:34:28but you

00:34:29also have to

00:34:30teach them

00:34:30to repent.

00:34:31You shouldn't

00:34:32be putting

00:34:32them up leading

00:34:33worship.

00:34:34They shouldn't

00:34:34be taking

00:34:34leadership roles.

00:34:36People who

00:34:36are in such

00:34:38flagrant disregard

00:34:39of God's

00:34:40instructions about

00:34:41how to live,

00:34:42we should not

00:34:43be elevating

00:34:44them.

00:34:44We certainly

00:34:45should be being

00:34:46kind and be

00:34:48good to them.

00:34:49We don't have

00:34:50to be mean,

00:34:50but we

00:34:52also don't

00:34:52have to

00:34:53pander to

00:34:53them.

00:34:54So this

00:34:56preacher,

00:34:56he believes

00:34:58that he is

00:34:58showing these

00:34:59people love,

00:35:00and to a

00:35:00certain extent

00:35:01he is,

00:35:01but he's

00:35:02going so

00:35:03far that

00:35:04he's actually

00:35:04causing them

00:35:05more harm

00:35:05than good.

00:35:06By accepting

00:35:07them and not

00:35:08urging them

00:35:09to change

00:35:10how they

00:35:10live,

00:35:12he's actually

00:35:12being hateful

00:35:13to them in

00:35:14his motive,

00:35:15in his intent

00:35:16to be love,

00:35:16to be loving,

00:35:17sorry.

00:35:19And so on

00:35:19the other side,

00:35:20you've got

00:35:20somebody who

00:35:21claims to be

00:35:22loving,

00:35:23but knows

00:35:23he's not.

00:35:24He's just

00:35:24disingenuous

00:35:25about it.

00:35:26I mean,

00:35:26this other

00:35:26preacher,

00:35:27he's not

00:35:28being dishonest.

00:35:29He believes

00:35:29that he's

00:35:30doing the

00:35:30right thing,

00:35:30at least

00:35:31I'm pretty

00:35:31sure he

00:35:31does.

00:35:32But there

00:35:33are other

00:35:33people who

00:35:34I don't

00:35:35believe for

00:35:36a moment

00:35:36believe that

00:35:38they are

00:35:38doing the

00:35:38right thing.

00:35:40They are

00:35:40preaching love

00:35:42or preaching

00:35:43prosperity or

00:35:44whatever it is

00:35:45that they're

00:35:45doing.

00:35:45Maybe they're

00:35:46not even

00:35:46Christians.

00:35:48They are

00:35:48preaching about

00:35:50love,

00:35:50telling other

00:35:51people we

00:35:52have to

00:35:52love and

00:35:52accept and

00:35:53do whatever,

00:35:54but they have

00:35:55an ulterior

00:35:55motive.

00:35:56They want to

00:35:56use these

00:35:57other people

00:35:57for their

00:35:58own personal

00:35:58gain.

00:35:59And certainly

00:36:00you can look

00:36:00at politics

00:36:01and I think

00:36:02you can look

00:36:03at a lot of

00:36:03prosperity

00:36:04preachers to

00:36:05see this

00:36:05kind of

00:36:06behavior.

00:36:07These people

00:36:07are snakes

00:36:08and wolves.

00:36:09They're not

00:36:09just misguided.

00:36:11They are the

00:36:12misguiders.

00:36:13So I

00:36:14think verse

00:36:14five and

00:36:15six go

00:36:15hand in

00:36:15hand,

00:36:16describing the

00:36:16same sort

00:36:17of dichotomy

00:36:18between the

00:36:19person who

00:36:20doesn't know

00:36:20himself and

00:36:21the person

00:36:21who does

00:36:21know himself

00:36:22and is

00:36:23hiding.

00:36:24Brad has

00:36:24shared a

00:36:25video that

00:36:26posited that

00:36:28motivation is

00:36:30king over

00:36:32action.

00:36:35And I

00:36:36didn't agree

00:36:37with that.

00:36:38And I think

00:36:38you're touching

00:36:38on that right

00:36:39now because

00:36:41the motivation

00:36:41of the

00:36:44pastor that

00:36:45you're talking

00:36:46about sounds

00:36:47honorable,

00:36:47but the

00:36:49result is

00:36:51actually

00:36:52detrimental in

00:36:53my opinion.

00:36:55You know,

00:36:55I think that

00:36:56really it goes

00:36:58hand in hand.

00:36:59I mean,

00:37:00yes,

00:37:00you want to

00:37:00have proper

00:37:01motivation for

00:37:02what you're

00:37:02doing,

00:37:02but you also

00:37:03want to have

00:37:03action that

00:37:04is reasonable

00:37:06and responsible.

00:37:07Yeah.

00:37:08Yeah,

00:37:09I think that's

00:37:09that's right.

00:37:10And there

00:37:11are times

00:37:12when I think

00:37:12motivation counts

00:37:14more than what

00:37:15you're actually

00:37:15doing.

00:37:16But if what

00:37:18you're doing

00:37:18is, you

00:37:20know, blatant

00:37:20disregard of

00:37:21God's instructions,

00:37:21I'm not really

00:37:23sure how your

00:37:24motives can

00:37:24possibly be

00:37:25good.

00:37:27I mean,

00:37:27you might have

00:37:28convinced yourself

00:37:29that your

00:37:29motives are good,

00:37:30but I doubt

00:37:32that they are.

00:37:33Well,

00:37:34in this situation

00:37:34you brought up,

00:37:35in his mind,

00:37:38his motives is

00:37:39good and

00:37:39honorable,

00:37:40but, you

00:37:41know,

00:37:41let's say

00:37:42your motive

00:37:42is good and

00:37:43honorable,

00:37:44but you

00:37:44are entering

00:37:46into a sinful

00:37:47or a less

00:37:50than situation

00:37:51that people

00:37:52want to emulate,

00:37:53that's not

00:37:54good.

00:37:55I mean,

00:37:55yeah,

00:37:55I'm going to

00:37:56go and I'm

00:37:57going to preach

00:37:57the gospel by

00:37:58becoming a drug

00:38:00addict so I can

00:38:00relate to drug

00:38:01addict.

00:38:02you know,

00:38:02that's,

00:38:02yeah,

00:38:03that's not

00:38:04what Paul

00:38:04meant when

00:38:05he said,

00:38:05you know,

00:38:06I become

00:38:06to the Greek

00:38:07as the Greeks.

00:38:08That's not

00:38:09what he meant.

00:38:10Right.

00:38:11Yeah,

00:38:12I really think

00:38:13that that

00:38:13particular preacher,

00:38:14I think he's

00:38:14deceiving himself.

00:38:17He believes

00:38:17that,

00:38:18I mean,

00:38:18he's trying

00:38:19to get

00:38:19sinful people

00:38:21into the

00:38:21church

00:38:22where maybe

00:38:24someday they

00:38:25might hear

00:38:26something about

00:38:27what God

00:38:27wants from

00:38:28them,

00:38:28but that's

00:38:29not the point.

00:38:30Who cares if

00:38:30people go to

00:38:31church,

00:38:31if you're

00:38:31not teaching

00:38:32them to

00:38:32repent and

00:38:34obey God?

00:38:35I mean,

00:38:35what's the

00:38:35point of

00:38:36going to a

00:38:36building and

00:38:36hanging out

00:38:37with a bunch

00:38:37of other

00:38:37sinners?

00:38:38You can do

00:38:38that at

00:38:39the bar

00:38:39on Saturday.

00:38:41Well,

00:38:41that puts

00:38:42the onus

00:38:42upon numbers.

00:38:44You know,

00:38:44I have,

00:38:45I've been

00:38:46successful in

00:38:47getting so

00:38:47many people

00:38:48in,

00:38:49and therefore

00:38:49I'm,

00:38:49you know,

00:38:50that's

00:38:50indicative of

00:38:51I'm spreading

00:38:52the word.

00:38:54Yeah,

00:38:55spreading his

00:38:55own word,

00:38:56unfortunately,

00:38:56though.

00:38:57All right,

00:38:59let's move

00:38:59on to

00:39:00verse 7.

00:39:04The righteous

00:39:04who walks

00:39:05in his

00:39:05integrity,

00:39:06blessed are

00:39:06his children

00:39:07after him.

00:39:09Anybody else

00:39:09have some

00:39:10thoughts on

00:39:10that?

00:39:11Okay,

00:39:12so that

00:39:12brings up

00:39:12an interesting

00:39:13question,

00:39:13because I've

00:39:14wrestled with

00:39:14this.

00:39:15I presented

00:39:16to my kids

00:39:17the gospel.

00:39:18I presented

00:39:19to them

00:39:19the Lord.

00:39:21If I use

00:39:22their

00:39:24response,

00:39:26which has

00:39:28not been

00:39:28good for

00:39:28any of

00:39:29them,

00:39:29unfortunately,

00:39:31does that

00:39:32equate to

00:39:32failure on

00:39:33my part?

00:39:34I don't

00:39:35think so,

00:39:35but it

00:39:36feels like

00:39:36it sometimes.

00:39:37Does that

00:39:37make sense?

00:39:39In other

00:39:39words,

00:39:40they didn't

00:39:40embrace it,

00:39:42so I

00:39:42failed

00:39:42somehow.

00:39:44Yeah,

00:39:44I think

00:39:45that it's,

00:39:46there's no

00:39:47easy answer

00:39:48to that.

00:39:49I think

00:39:49that there

00:39:50are far

00:39:51too many

00:39:52variables

00:39:52involved.

00:39:53You know,

00:39:53there are

00:39:53other people

00:39:54in their

00:39:54lives.

00:39:55there are

00:39:55two parents,

00:39:57you've got

00:39:58grandparents and

00:39:58friends and

00:39:59all these

00:39:59other influences

00:40:00plus

00:40:02entertainment

00:40:03and school

00:40:03and the

00:40:05other inputs

00:40:07that they're

00:40:08even getting

00:40:08from you,

00:40:09not just

00:40:09what you

00:40:09say,

00:40:10but what

00:40:10you do

00:40:11and how

00:40:11you treat

00:40:11other people.

00:40:12I mean,

00:40:13I know you

00:40:13now and

00:40:14you're an

00:40:15honorable

00:40:15guy.

00:40:16I assume

00:40:17that you've

00:40:18always been

00:40:19an honorable

00:40:19guy and I

00:40:20don't see

00:40:20any indication

00:40:21otherwise,

00:40:22but if

00:40:23you can

00:40:24teach

00:40:24children

00:40:25the correct

00:40:26thing all

00:40:27day long,

00:40:27but if

00:40:28you're not

00:40:28living it

00:40:28out,

00:40:29that's going

00:40:30to weigh

00:40:31a lot more

00:40:31heavily on

00:40:32them than

00:40:32what you

00:40:32say.

00:40:34So there

00:40:34are a lot

00:40:35of factors

00:40:35involved.

00:40:36Without

00:40:36living in

00:40:38your house

00:40:38while you're

00:40:39raising your

00:40:39children,

00:40:40I don't

00:40:41have a lot

00:40:41to say

00:40:42there.

00:40:43I do

00:40:44think that

00:40:45we have

00:40:46to take

00:40:47into

00:40:47consideration

00:40:48the world

00:40:48that we

00:40:49live in.

00:40:50I think

00:40:50that

00:40:51certainly

00:40:51when these

00:40:52words were

00:40:54written,

00:40:55maybe there

00:40:57were more

00:40:58people who

00:40:59understood

00:41:01God's

00:41:02law.

00:41:03Maybe

00:41:04there

00:41:04weren't,

00:41:05but it

00:41:07was written

00:41:07for the

00:41:08people of

00:41:09a particular

00:41:09God.

00:41:11And the

00:41:11culture that

00:41:12we live,

00:41:13the place

00:41:14we live,

00:41:14the culture

00:41:15we live

00:41:15among at

00:41:16this point,

00:41:17there's so

00:41:18many people

00:41:19who basically

00:41:20think God

00:41:21is dead.

00:41:23And so

00:41:23there's

00:41:23kind of

00:41:24this reality

00:41:26check,

00:41:26I think,

00:41:27when we're

00:41:27talking about

00:41:28raising our

00:41:29kids in

00:41:31truth,

00:41:32if the

00:41:33whole world

00:41:34around them

00:41:35is just

00:41:35gone mad,

00:41:37like just

00:41:38doing their

00:41:38own thing.

00:41:41I'm not

00:41:42suggesting that

00:41:43we don't

00:41:43have a chance

00:41:44or our

00:41:44children don't

00:41:45have a chance,

00:41:45but I'm

00:41:46suggesting that

00:41:47we are

00:41:48living in

00:41:49a post-Christian

00:41:50world.

00:41:54It's just

00:41:54not,

00:41:56there are

00:41:56way too

00:41:56many influences.

00:41:59And I

00:42:00don't even

00:42:00mean to say

00:42:01that it's a

00:42:01crapshoot,

00:42:02but it's

00:42:02definitely,

00:42:04like Jay

00:42:04said,

00:42:05a lot of

00:42:05variables.

00:42:07Yeah,

00:42:07but at

00:42:08the same

00:42:09time,

00:42:09who are we

00:42:10to judge,

00:42:11first of all,

00:42:12the outcome?

00:42:12The verse

00:42:14says that

00:42:15they are

00:42:16blessed.

00:42:17They have

00:42:17been blessed

00:42:18by watching

00:42:19your example.

00:42:21They have

00:42:21been blessed.

00:42:22First of

00:42:23all,

00:42:23you don't

00:42:24know what

00:42:25seeds you

00:42:25planted and

00:42:26when they're

00:42:26going to

00:42:27come to

00:42:27harvest.

00:42:28And even

00:42:29if they

00:42:29don't,

00:42:30they were

00:42:31still blessed

00:42:31by watching

00:42:32your example.

00:42:33I mean,

00:42:33they're going

00:42:34to choose.

00:42:34They have

00:42:34free will.

00:42:35They can

00:42:35do whatever

00:42:36they want

00:42:37to do in

00:42:37their own

00:42:38life,

00:42:38but they

00:42:39have been

00:42:40blessed by

00:42:40your example.

00:42:41That's a

00:42:42great point,

00:42:43Lisa.

00:42:44That's a

00:42:44really great

00:42:45point.

00:42:46I mean,

00:42:46if you

00:42:47didn't show

00:42:47your

00:42:48righteousness,

00:42:50you know,

00:42:50who would?

00:42:52That's the

00:42:52thing.

00:42:53That was

00:42:53their exposure.

00:42:57And they

00:42:58may choose

00:42:58it,

00:42:58they may

00:42:59not,

00:42:59but it

00:43:00doesn't

00:43:00mean that

00:43:00you didn't

00:43:01give them

00:43:01the most

00:43:02tremendous

00:43:02gift.

00:43:05Okay,

00:43:06well,

00:43:06let's move

00:43:06on.

00:43:07We did

00:43:07talk about

00:43:08verse 8 a

00:43:08little bit.

00:43:09So let's

00:43:10go on to

00:43:10verse 9.

00:43:11Who can

00:43:12say I

00:43:12have made

00:43:13my heart

00:43:13pure?

00:43:14I am

00:43:14clean from

00:43:14my sin,

00:43:15which kind

00:43:16of echoes

00:43:16verse 6

00:43:17again.

00:43:18And honestly,

00:43:19who can

00:43:20say that?

00:43:21If you,

00:43:23you know,

00:43:23speaking more

00:43:23from the

00:43:24modern church

00:43:24scene,

00:43:26I grew up

00:43:26in the

00:43:26Assemblies

00:43:27of God

00:43:27and altar

00:43:27calls were

00:43:28a weekly

00:43:28event.

00:43:30And I

00:43:31mean,

00:43:32I don't

00:43:32know how

00:43:32many altar

00:43:32calls I

00:43:33responded to

00:43:34and you

00:43:34go down

00:43:35front,

00:43:35you sit

00:43:36there and

00:43:36you pray

00:43:37and you

00:43:38might be

00:43:39there on

00:43:39your knees

00:43:39or standing

00:43:41or sitting,

00:43:42whatever.

00:43:42Sometimes

00:43:42laying flat

00:43:43on your

00:43:43face,

00:43:44praying for

00:43:45half an

00:43:45hour,

00:43:45an hour

00:43:46at a time

00:43:46and,

00:43:47you know,

00:43:48repenting of

00:43:48sins and

00:43:49worshiping God

00:43:51and all of that

00:43:51is great.

00:43:52There's nothing

00:43:52wrong with

00:43:53any of that.

00:43:53but the

00:43:55second you

00:43:55lift your

00:43:55face up

00:43:56and look

00:43:56around,

00:43:57oh,

00:43:57there's

00:43:57that girl.

00:43:58Oh,

00:43:58there's,

00:43:59I got this

00:43:59other thing.

00:44:00Your thoughts

00:44:01stray and

00:44:01you start

00:44:02worrying about

00:44:02things,

00:44:03you start

00:44:03thinking about,

00:44:04you know,

00:44:04that guy

00:44:04over there

00:44:05thinks he's

00:44:05so special.

00:44:07It doesn't,

00:44:08you can,

00:44:09going back

00:44:10to the,

00:44:11at the time

00:44:12that Solomon

00:44:12was writing

00:44:13and when he

00:44:14was king,

00:44:14you could go

00:44:15to the temple,

00:44:16make your

00:44:16offerings,

00:44:17and as soon

00:44:18as you turn

00:44:18around and

00:44:18walk out the

00:44:19door,

00:44:19you're already

00:44:19having sinful

00:44:20thoughts.

00:44:21Who can say,

00:44:22I have made

00:44:23my heart pure.

00:44:23I am clean

00:44:24from sin

00:44:24for more

00:44:25than a couple

00:44:26of seconds

00:44:26at a time.

00:44:27As far as I

00:44:28know,

00:44:29there's only

00:44:29one person

00:44:29in history

00:44:30who could

00:44:31be that

00:44:31pure.

00:44:32It's possible

00:44:33to live

00:44:33righteously.

00:44:34You know,

00:44:35we have examples

00:44:36in scripture

00:44:36of somebody

00:44:37that God

00:44:37said,

00:44:38this was a

00:44:38righteous

00:44:39person who

00:44:40was the

00:44:41priest and

00:44:43his wife,

00:44:44can't remember

00:44:44their names,

00:44:46when Joseph

00:44:47and Mary

00:44:47brought Yeshua

00:44:48to the temple

00:44:48and,

00:44:49you know,

00:44:50he said

00:44:51that finally

00:44:52my eyes

00:44:53have seen

00:44:53the Messiah,

00:44:54I can't

00:44:54remember the

00:44:54exact race,

00:44:55but scripture

00:44:55says that

00:44:56these people

00:44:57have lived

00:44:57righteously

00:44:58their whole

00:44:58lives.

00:44:59Doesn't mean

00:45:00that they

00:45:00were perfect.

00:45:01It means

00:45:02that they

00:45:03were,

00:45:04they lived

00:45:06within God's

00:45:06instructions as

00:45:07best they

00:45:08could and

00:45:09tried to make

00:45:10it right when

00:45:10they screwed

00:45:11up.

00:45:12And really,

00:45:13the law allows

00:45:13for that.

00:45:14It's got penalties

00:45:15and remedies built

00:45:16into it,

00:45:16so it expects

00:45:17us to screw

00:45:17up.

00:45:18But nobody's

00:45:19ever done it

00:45:20perfectly.

00:45:21Nobody has

00:45:22ever lived

00:45:22a life

00:45:23where you

00:45:23didn't have

00:45:24to take

00:45:24advantage of

00:45:25the provisions

00:45:26of the law

00:45:27that says,

00:45:27if you do

00:45:29something wrong,

00:45:30here's what you

00:45:30do to fix

00:45:31it.

00:45:31The only

00:45:32person who

00:45:32never did

00:45:32anything wrong

00:45:33was Yeshua.

00:45:34If you know

00:45:35of anybody,

00:45:37please correct

00:45:37me.

00:45:38Or if you

00:45:39have any

00:45:39other observations

00:45:39about that

00:45:40or thoughts

00:45:40about that

00:45:41proverb,

00:45:42I'm open

00:45:42to those

00:45:42two.

00:45:43I'll take

00:45:44a more

00:45:44cynical

00:45:45outlook

00:45:46when you

00:45:47bring up

00:45:48going up

00:45:49front to

00:45:49the altar.

00:45:51Yeah,

00:45:51I would

00:45:52struggle

00:45:52with

00:45:53sliding

00:45:54back

00:45:55into

00:45:55my

00:45:55myself.

00:45:58I often,

00:45:59and this

00:46:00is the

00:46:00jaundiced

00:46:02look,

00:46:02outlook,

00:46:03I often

00:46:04looked at

00:46:05that altar

00:46:07call as

00:46:08being more

00:46:08about the

00:46:09people

00:46:10administering

00:46:11it than

00:46:12my being

00:46:13up there.

00:46:13In other

00:46:13words,

00:46:15the people

00:46:16that are

00:46:16praying for

00:46:17me are

00:46:17the ideal,

00:46:19the goal

00:46:19that I

00:46:19should seek

00:46:20or try

00:46:21to be,

00:46:21and they

00:46:22weren't.

00:46:23They were

00:46:24just as

00:46:24screwed up

00:46:25as I

00:46:25was.

00:46:26Yeah,

00:46:26I've been

00:46:27in those

00:46:27kind of

00:46:27altar calls

00:46:28too.

00:46:29Yeah,

00:46:29well,

00:46:30that comes

00:46:30from my

00:46:30outlook.

00:46:31It's not

00:46:31their fault.

00:46:33They're

00:46:34actually often

00:46:35earnestly up

00:46:35there trying

00:46:37to be a

00:46:39blessing.

00:46:39And,

00:46:40you know,

00:46:40as I said,

00:46:41my jaundiced

00:46:41outlook is,

00:46:42oh,

00:46:42that's the

00:46:43goal,

00:46:43that's

00:46:43what I

00:46:43should

00:46:44strive

00:46:44for.

00:46:45And that's

00:46:46just,

00:46:46that's

00:46:46horrible.

00:46:47But being

00:46:48honest,

00:46:48that's often

00:46:49how I

00:46:50perceive

00:46:51things.

00:46:52And maybe

00:46:53there were

00:46:53people that

00:46:53were bloated

00:46:55and trying

00:46:56to be

00:46:56that.

00:46:57So it's

00:46:58just a

00:46:58perspective.

00:46:59That's all.

00:47:02Let's go

00:47:03back to the

00:47:05questions real

00:47:05quick.

00:47:06Any proverbs

00:47:07in this

00:47:07chapter that

00:47:08puzzled

00:47:08anybody.

00:47:10I didn't

00:47:11actually write

00:47:13one down

00:47:13for this.

00:47:15Well,

00:47:15actually,

00:47:15there is

00:47:16something that

00:47:16puzzled me,

00:47:17but I don't

00:47:17really have

00:47:18any answers

00:47:18to it.

00:47:20And that's

00:47:20why is

00:47:23this proverb

00:47:24repeated?

00:47:26Unequal

00:47:26weights and

00:47:28unequal

00:47:29measures are

00:47:29both alike

00:47:30in abomination

00:47:31to the

00:47:32Lord.

00:47:32And this

00:47:41isn't the

00:47:42first time

00:47:42we've seen

00:47:43this proverb.

00:47:44I think

00:47:45this is

00:47:45probably

00:47:45four times

00:47:48so far

00:47:49that this

00:47:49proverb

00:47:49has come

00:47:50up.

00:47:51And it's

00:47:51always worded

00:47:52slightly

00:47:52differently,

00:47:53so I'm

00:47:53sure that

00:47:54there's a

00:47:54reason for

00:47:54that.

00:47:55But I

00:47:57don't know

00:47:58what the

00:47:58reason is.

00:48:00All right.

00:48:01Where was

00:48:02the first

00:48:02one?

00:48:03Verse 10,

00:48:04I think.

00:48:05Yeah,

00:48:05verse 10.

00:48:05We were

00:48:06looking at

00:48:07it.

00:48:07Okay.

00:48:08Yeah.

00:48:09So I

00:48:10really thought

00:48:10that it

00:48:11was connected

00:48:11to verse

00:48:129,

00:48:12the verse

00:48:1310.

00:48:14Yeah,

00:48:15it certainly

00:48:15can be,

00:48:16especially if

00:48:16the person

00:48:17in verse

00:48:189 is

00:48:18talking about

00:48:19himself in

00:48:19relation to

00:48:20other people.

00:48:22And that's

00:48:22what I was

00:48:23thinking is

00:48:23that's a

00:48:24pretty common

00:48:25thing is to

00:48:26be like

00:48:26comparing

00:48:27oneself to

00:48:29others and

00:48:31then being

00:48:31like,

00:48:32I'm doing

00:48:33pretty good.

00:48:34I'm okay.

00:48:35And really

00:48:36unequal

00:48:37weights and

00:48:38measures is

00:48:39often what

00:48:40we're doing

00:48:41when we're

00:48:42making judgments

00:48:42about other

00:48:44people.

00:48:45We'll judge

00:48:46people harshly

00:48:46for things

00:48:47that they've

00:48:47done and

00:48:48then not

00:48:50even see

00:48:50the speck in

00:48:51our own

00:48:51eye kind

00:48:52of thing.

00:48:53And so I

00:48:54wondered if

00:48:55I thought

00:48:55that those

00:48:56two were

00:48:56connected.

00:48:57did.

00:48:58Yeah,

00:48:59that makes

00:48:59sense.

00:49:00Goes along

00:49:01with what

00:49:01Scott was

00:49:01saying too.

00:49:03Yeah.

00:49:04Is there

00:49:05really,

00:49:05are there

00:49:05really an

00:49:06apples to

00:49:07apples

00:49:07equivalent?

00:49:09Not really.

00:49:10It never

00:49:11ever is

00:49:12exactly

00:49:12apples to

00:49:13apples.

00:49:14You could

00:49:15actually make

00:49:15the same

00:49:16kind of

00:49:16connection

00:49:16between

00:49:17verses 22

00:49:18and 23.

00:49:2022 says,

00:49:21do not say

00:49:22I will

00:49:22repay evil,

00:49:23wait for the

00:49:23Lord and he

00:49:24will deliver

00:49:24you.

00:49:26And if

00:49:26you put

00:49:26that in,

00:49:28if you

00:49:28connect that

00:49:29with verse

00:49:2923,

00:49:30one of the

00:49:31reasons that

00:49:32you should

00:49:32not repay

00:49:32evil is

00:49:34because you

00:49:34might not

00:49:34be seeing

00:49:35it correctly.

00:49:36It might

00:49:37not be as

00:49:37evil as you

00:49:38think it is

00:49:38because you're

00:49:39judging it

00:49:40based on how

00:49:40it impacted

00:49:41you rather

00:49:41than what the

00:49:42other person

00:49:42was actually

00:49:43doing.

00:49:44And maybe

00:49:45you're just

00:49:45being hypersensitive.

00:49:47Interesting.

00:49:49What do you

00:49:50make of verse

00:49:5125?

00:49:52It's a snare

00:49:52to say rashly

00:49:53it is holy.

00:49:55And to

00:49:56reflect only

00:49:57after making

00:49:57a vow.

00:49:58I get the

00:49:58reflect only

00:49:59after making

00:50:00a vow.

00:50:00You should

00:50:01seriously

00:50:01consider what

00:50:02you're saying.

00:50:03But what

00:50:03of the

00:50:04it is holy

00:50:05is that

00:50:06overly

00:50:07spiritualizing

00:50:09something and

00:50:10saying,

00:50:10oh,

00:50:11that was

00:50:12amazing God

00:50:13moment when

00:50:13in fact it

00:50:14was not.

00:50:16Let's see.

00:50:16I wanted to

00:50:17check to see

00:50:17what the

00:50:19Hebrew was,

00:50:20but man,

00:50:20King James has

00:50:21a very different

00:50:21translation of

00:50:22that verse.

00:50:24it is a

00:50:25snare to

00:50:26the man

00:50:26who devoureth

00:50:27that which

00:50:27is holy

00:50:28and after

00:50:29vows to

00:50:29make inquiry.

00:50:31Word for

00:50:31devour,

00:50:32to speak

00:50:34rashly,

00:50:34I don't

00:50:35know why

00:50:36they would

00:50:36translate that

00:50:37devour,

00:50:38I guess to

00:50:38swallow down.

00:50:40Holy is

00:50:41kadosh or

00:50:42kadesh,

00:50:43so that

00:50:43literally just

00:50:44means something

00:50:45holy or set

00:50:46apart.

00:50:46what I

00:50:48think it's

00:50:48probably

00:50:48talking about

00:50:49is dedicating

00:50:51something to

00:50:52God or to

00:50:52the temple,

00:50:53whether that's

00:50:54a peace

00:50:55offering or

00:50:56whether it's

00:50:57something that

00:50:57you would

00:50:57actually take

00:50:58to the temple

00:50:59and give or

00:51:00that you would

00:51:01sell and

00:51:02redeem it.

00:51:03Think about

00:51:04Yephthah and

00:51:05his daughter

00:51:05who said,

00:51:07I'm going to

00:51:08go out to

00:51:08battle and

00:51:09if the Lord

00:51:10gives me

00:51:10victory,

00:51:11the first thing

00:51:11that comes out

00:51:12of my house

00:51:12when I come

00:51:13home,

00:51:13I will dedicate

00:51:14to God.

00:51:14He didn't

00:51:16think about

00:51:17what he was

00:51:18doing.

00:51:18He was so

00:51:20gung-ho and

00:51:21I want to

00:51:21give something

00:51:22to God,

00:51:22whatever comes

00:51:23out of my

00:51:23house.

00:51:24Then his

00:51:25daughter comes

00:51:25out and

00:51:26meets him.

00:51:27What do

00:51:28you do now?

00:51:29I really

00:51:30think that he

00:51:30had to know

00:51:31it was going

00:51:31to be a

00:51:32person or

00:51:33an animal.

00:51:34I imagine

00:51:36he expected

00:51:36it would be

00:51:36an animal.

00:51:38I imagine

00:51:39he did,

00:51:39but it's

00:51:40only living

00:51:40things that

00:51:41would have

00:51:41been able to

00:51:41walk out of

00:51:42the house

00:51:42on their

00:51:43own.

00:51:44It's a

00:51:45pretty big

00:51:46risk.

00:51:47It was a

00:51:48foolhardy

00:51:48vow.

00:51:50What if

00:51:50it was a

00:51:50cockroach

00:51:51or a

00:51:51snake or

00:51:51something like

00:51:52that?

00:51:52Are you

00:51:52going to

00:51:52make that

00:51:53holy?

00:51:53You can't

00:51:54make certain

00:51:54things holy.

00:51:56You're

00:51:57right.

00:51:58It is

00:51:59speaking

00:52:00rashly.

00:52:01It's

00:52:01speaking

00:52:01without

00:52:02thought.

00:52:05It's

00:52:06good to

00:52:06want to

00:52:07make

00:52:07promises

00:52:08to God

00:52:08and want

00:52:09to give

00:52:09things to

00:52:09him,

00:52:10but people

00:52:10do this

00:52:11kind of

00:52:11thing all

00:52:11the time.

00:52:12You

00:52:12especially

00:52:12see it

00:52:13in movies.

00:52:13God,

00:52:14if you

00:52:14get me

00:52:14out of

00:52:15this,

00:52:15I'm

00:52:15going to

00:52:15do this.

00:52:17I'm

00:52:17going to

00:52:17be a

00:52:17better

00:52:17person.

00:52:18Think that

00:52:19through.

00:52:19Are you

00:52:20really going

00:52:20to be a

00:52:20better

00:52:20person?

00:52:21What is

00:52:22going to

00:52:22be different

00:52:22after this

00:52:23event?

00:52:24It's going

00:52:25to help

00:52:25you do

00:52:25that.

00:52:27Don't

00:52:27make even

00:52:28promises to

00:52:29God.

00:52:29Don't

00:52:29promise

00:52:30stuff to

00:52:31God that

00:52:31you can't

00:52:31follow through

00:52:32on.

00:52:32It's not

00:52:33reasonable or

00:52:34that you

00:52:34can't do

00:52:35without.

00:52:37You've got

00:52:37your house.

00:52:38Say,

00:52:38God,

00:52:39I'm going

00:52:39to give

00:52:39you my

00:52:40house and

00:52:40my car.

00:52:42You heal

00:52:43me from

00:52:43whatever

00:52:43sickness I've

00:52:44got.

00:52:45That's

00:52:46great,

00:52:46but then

00:52:46where are

00:52:46you going

00:52:47to live?

00:52:47How are

00:52:48you going

00:52:48to get

00:52:48to work?

00:52:49I've seen

00:52:50a couple

00:52:52ministries that

00:52:53have sold

00:52:55everything.

00:52:56and they

00:52:59have

00:53:00dedicated

00:53:00a spot

00:53:03of time

00:53:04or finances

00:53:06to God

00:53:06and I've

00:53:08often wondered,

00:53:09okay,

00:53:10that sounds

00:53:10great.

00:53:11It sounds

00:53:12like you're

00:53:13gung-ho.

00:53:13It's almost

00:53:14when the

00:53:15300 bent

00:53:17down and

00:53:17they drank

00:53:19in a certain

00:53:19fashion,

00:53:20it's showing

00:53:21a total

00:53:23reliance upon

00:53:24God.

00:53:24But to

00:53:25me also,

00:53:26as a

00:53:27provider of

00:53:28the household,

00:53:30it's rash

00:53:32in my

00:53:33estimation,

00:53:33the way I

00:53:34look at it,

00:53:35because how

00:53:36are you going

00:53:36to live

00:53:36later?

00:53:37And it

00:53:38sounds holy

00:53:38and it

00:53:39probably is.

00:53:39Maybe it

00:53:40is for

00:53:40that person.

00:53:41Maybe it

00:53:42has a deep

00:53:42meaning in

00:53:43relation to

00:53:43how they

00:53:45interact with

00:53:46God,

00:53:46but it

00:53:48borders on

00:53:49rash to

00:53:49me and

00:53:50it's not

00:53:50necessarily

00:53:50out of a

00:53:51bad heart.

00:53:51It's just

00:53:52knee-jerk,

00:53:53so to

00:53:54speak.

00:53:54I don't

00:53:55know.

00:53:56Yeah,

00:53:56it's possible

00:53:56that God

00:53:57has told

00:53:57somebody,

00:53:58sell everything

00:53:59you have and

00:53:59give the

00:54:00proceeds to

00:54:00the poor,

00:54:01like Yeshua

00:54:01did with

00:54:02that rich

00:54:02young ruler.

00:54:04That sort

00:54:04of thing

00:54:05happens.

00:54:06Or in

00:54:07the early

00:54:07church,

00:54:08in Jerusalem,

00:54:10when everybody

00:54:10sold everything

00:54:11they had,

00:54:12or they

00:54:13shared everything

00:54:14in common,

00:54:15there are

00:54:16times when

00:54:17that's fine

00:54:17or that's a

00:54:18good thing

00:54:18to do,

00:54:19as long as

00:54:20you've thought

00:54:20it through

00:54:20and you know

00:54:21that this

00:54:21is what God

00:54:22really is

00:54:22leading me

00:54:23to do

00:54:23or that

00:54:24when I

00:54:25do this,

00:54:26there's

00:54:26some place

00:54:26I can go

00:54:27and live.

00:54:28I'm not

00:54:28going to be

00:54:28homeless.

00:54:29My kids

00:54:29aren't going

00:54:29to be

00:54:30homeless.

00:54:31Yeah,

00:54:31as long as

00:54:32it's thought

00:54:32through,

00:54:33then I'd

00:54:34be fine.

00:54:35But that's

00:54:35really what

00:54:36this is

00:54:36saying,

00:54:36is that

00:54:37make sure

00:54:37you understand

00:54:38what you're

00:54:39doing before

00:54:39you do it.

00:54:41I think

00:54:42that one

00:54:42other point

00:54:43that is

00:54:45from

00:54:46verse

00:54:4624.

00:54:49I'm

00:54:50actually

00:54:50looking for

00:54:51a different

00:54:51version now,

00:54:52but I'm

00:54:53in the

00:54:54amplified

00:54:54version,

00:54:55but it

00:54:56says,

00:54:56man's

00:54:57steps are

00:54:57ordered by

00:54:58the Lord.

00:54:59How then

00:55:00can a man

00:55:01understand

00:55:01his way?

00:55:03And this

00:55:04translation says,

00:55:06it is a

00:55:06snare to a

00:55:07man to

00:55:08utter a

00:55:09vow,

00:55:09in parentheses,

00:55:10of consecration

00:55:12rashly,

00:55:13and not

00:55:14until afterward

00:55:15inquire whether

00:55:16he can

00:55:17fulfill it.

00:55:18So,

00:55:19what verse

00:55:2024 seems

00:55:21to say to

00:55:21me is that

00:55:22we are

00:55:23supposed to

00:55:24take our

00:55:25steps from

00:55:26the Lord's

00:55:27instruction.

00:55:28And it

00:55:29sounds like

00:55:30in verse

00:55:3025,

00:55:31it's actually

00:55:32saying that

00:55:33a person

00:55:34or a

00:55:35man,

00:55:35a woman,

00:55:37to utter

00:55:37a vow

00:55:38that's coming

00:55:39from themselves,

00:55:41their own

00:55:41instruction,

00:55:43for themselves

00:55:44versus what

00:55:47the Lord is

00:55:47actually ordering

00:55:49their step

00:55:50to be.

00:55:51And 25,

00:55:53to me,

00:55:53almost comes

00:55:54up as a

00:55:55red flag

00:55:57of pride.

00:55:58Like,

00:55:58we can

00:56:00make this

00:56:02proclamation,

00:56:03this vow,

00:56:04but really,

00:56:05isn't that

00:56:05kind of a

00:56:06prideful thing

00:56:07to do?

00:56:07Because we're

00:56:08somehow deriving

00:56:09self-satisfaction

00:56:11out of,

00:56:12oh,

00:56:12I'm going to

00:56:13sell all my

00:56:14belongings and

00:56:15do this.

00:56:16And if

00:56:17that's not

00:56:18what the

00:56:18Lord is

00:56:18actually giving

00:56:19us the

00:56:20step to

00:56:20take,

00:56:21then it's

00:56:22a prideful

00:56:23thing to

00:56:24make a

00:56:25vow that

00:56:26we have

00:56:28ordained for

00:56:29ourselves.

00:56:30Does that

00:56:30make sense?

00:56:31Yeah.

00:56:32Yeah.

00:56:32I think

00:56:33that's a good

00:56:34perspective,

00:56:34and it reminds

00:56:35me of a

00:56:36passage from

00:56:37the epistle

00:56:39of James.

00:56:40I've got

00:56:41it up on

00:56:41another

00:56:41screen here.

00:56:42He said,

00:56:42this is from

00:56:43James chapter

00:56:44four,

00:56:44verses

00:56:4513 to

00:56:4716.

00:56:48Come now,

00:56:49you who say

00:56:49today or

00:56:50tomorrow we

00:56:50will go into

00:56:51such and

00:56:51such a town

00:56:52and spend

00:56:52a year there

00:56:53and trade

00:56:53and make

00:56:53a profit.

00:56:54Yet you

00:56:55do not

00:56:55know what

00:56:56tomorrow will

00:56:56bring.

00:56:56What is

00:56:57your life?

00:56:58For you

00:56:58are a

00:56:58mist that

00:56:59appears for

00:56:59a little

00:56:59time and

00:57:00then vanishes.

00:57:01Instead,

00:57:01you ought to

00:57:02say,

00:57:02if the

00:57:02Lord wills,

00:57:03we will

00:57:03live and

00:57:04do this

00:57:04or that.

00:57:05As it

00:57:05is,

00:57:05you boast

00:57:06in your

00:57:06arrogance.

00:57:07All such

00:57:07boasting

00:57:08is evil.

00:57:09I think

00:57:10that really

00:57:10confirms what

00:57:11you're saying,

00:57:11that this

00:57:11is coming

00:57:12from a

00:57:13place of

00:57:13pride.

00:57:15I know

00:57:16what's best.

00:57:16I know

00:57:16what's going

00:57:17to happen

00:57:17and I

00:57:18can control

00:57:18it.

00:57:19Yeah.

00:57:20And also,

00:57:22like that

00:57:23passage is

00:57:23saying,

00:57:24we don't

00:57:25know what

00:57:25the next

00:57:26day will

00:57:26bring.

00:57:27So,

00:57:27shouldn't

00:57:27we have

00:57:28the Lord

00:57:28order our

00:57:29steps each

00:57:31day because

00:57:33we can

00:57:35make a

00:57:36goal or

00:57:37set a

00:57:37plan that's

00:57:39far down

00:57:39the line,

00:57:40but what

00:57:40if the

00:57:41Lord says

00:57:41to do

00:57:41something else

00:57:42the next

00:57:42day?

00:57:43Okay,

00:57:43so that's

00:57:44where we

00:57:45need to

00:57:45humble

00:57:45ourselves

00:57:46and listen

00:57:48and just

00:57:48be instructed

00:57:50for that

00:57:51day or

00:57:52that week

00:57:54or whatever

00:57:54it is.

00:57:55Yeah,

00:57:56I think

00:57:56it's good

00:57:56to make

00:57:57plans and

00:57:58set goals

00:57:59and then

00:57:59act on

00:58:00those plans

00:58:00as long

00:58:01as they

00:58:01are within

00:58:02what is

00:58:03moral according

00:58:04to God's

00:58:05instructions.

00:58:05But we

00:58:07do have

00:58:07to be

00:58:07ready if

00:58:08God

00:58:08interrupts

00:58:09or if

00:58:09God

00:58:10says put

00:58:11something in

00:58:12your path

00:58:12and says,

00:58:13okay,

00:58:13here's what I

00:58:14really want

00:58:14you to do

00:58:15and it's

00:58:15not what you

00:58:16had envisioned,

00:58:17we have to be

00:58:18ready to make

00:58:18that pivot.

00:58:20And I think

00:58:20it's God

00:58:21frequently points

00:58:22us in a

00:58:23direction and

00:58:24we think we

00:58:24know what

00:58:25the end

00:58:25goal is.

00:58:26And when

00:58:28I first moved

00:58:28here to

00:58:28Texas,

00:58:29I was certain

00:58:31that God

00:58:31was telling

00:58:31me first

00:58:33that it was

00:58:34time to get

00:58:34out of the

00:58:34city.

00:58:35I lived

00:58:35in Denver

00:58:35at the

00:58:35time and

00:58:37I was

00:58:38convinced of

00:58:38that.

00:58:39There were

00:58:39multiple

00:58:39things that

00:58:40happened that

00:58:41confirmed that

00:58:42and I had

00:58:44some friends

00:58:44here and I

00:58:46moved here

00:58:46thinking I'm

00:58:48going to come

00:58:48here and I'm

00:58:49going to be

00:58:50like a

00:58:50missionary to

00:58:51these people.

00:58:52They were

00:58:53already moving

00:58:54more towards

00:58:55obedience to

00:58:55God's commands.

00:58:57They were

00:58:57keeping a

00:58:57seventh-day

00:58:58Sabbath.

00:58:58They were

00:58:58toying with

00:59:00some of the

00:59:01things that

00:59:01many Christians

00:59:02just ignore and

00:59:03they were saying

00:59:04God said to do

00:59:05this, why

00:59:05don't we do

00:59:06that?

00:59:06They were

00:59:07asking those

00:59:07questions and I

00:59:09thought they just

00:59:09need some help.

00:59:10Maybe that's why

00:59:10God is getting me

00:59:11out of the city so

00:59:12I can go here and

00:59:13help these people

00:59:13move along.

00:59:15But then things

00:59:16happened and it

00:59:17became clear that

00:59:18really wasn't why

00:59:19God had sent me

00:59:21the way that he

00:59:21did.

00:59:22And it's like,

00:59:23okay, now what

00:59:24am I supposed to

00:59:25do now?

00:59:26And just pivot to

00:59:29the new direction.

00:59:30In each of these

00:59:31things, it's like the

00:59:32camps in the

00:59:33wilderness.

00:59:33There were 42

00:59:34camps that God

00:59:35led the Israelites

00:59:35through and they

00:59:38just wandered around

00:59:39in loop-de-loops in

00:59:41the wilderness for

00:59:4140 years, God

00:59:43leading them from

00:59:44one camp to

00:59:44another and none

00:59:45of those camps

00:59:46were the

00:59:46destination.

00:59:47They were all

00:59:48just a step

00:59:49towards the

00:59:51destination, but

00:59:52sometimes not even

00:59:52in the direction

00:59:53they were supposed

00:59:54to be going.

00:59:55Sometimes he was

00:59:56leading them in the

00:59:56opposite direction

00:59:57and they all must

00:59:59have been wondering,

01:00:00where is he taking

01:00:02us now?

01:00:03Are we supposed

01:00:03to, is the

01:00:04promised land down

01:00:04that direction now?

01:00:06No, the promised

01:00:06land was always in

01:00:07the same place, but

01:00:09the steps to get

01:00:09there, only God

01:00:11knew what those

01:00:12steps were.

01:00:13And their job was

01:00:14to, when that

01:00:16pillar of cloud or

01:00:17fire lifted up off

01:00:18the tent of meeting,

01:00:20their job was to

01:00:21pack up their tents

01:00:21and follow wherever

01:00:23God led them and

01:00:25then stop when he

01:00:26stopped and just to

01:00:27trust that he knew

01:00:28what he was doing.

01:00:28If I can put

01:00:30another little spin

01:00:31on verse 24.

01:00:33Actually, somebody

01:00:33was going to say

01:00:34something there.

01:00:34Go ahead.

01:00:36I was just going

01:00:36to say it's

01:00:38because it wasn't

01:00:39so much like getting

01:00:41to the destination

01:00:42as much as it was

01:00:43about becoming the

01:00:44people that they

01:00:45needed to be when

01:00:46they got to the

01:00:47destination.

01:00:48Yeah, that is

01:00:49exactly right.

01:00:50That was really

01:00:50the more important

01:00:51thing.

01:00:52Yeah, it was

01:00:53about winnowing

01:00:53the one

01:00:56generation and

01:00:56creating the

01:00:57second generation

01:00:58of the following

01:00:59generation's

01:01:00obedience.

01:01:01I was going to

01:01:02go there exactly

01:01:02where you did,

01:01:03Paul.

01:01:04Yeah, good

01:01:05observation.

01:01:06I want to put

01:01:06another spin on

01:01:08verse 24 here.

01:01:09It doesn't really

01:01:09change the meaning

01:01:10a lot, but it

01:01:11may add another

01:01:12dimension to the

01:01:13meaning.

01:01:15The Hebrew

01:01:16doesn't use the

01:01:17same word for

01:01:18man in both

01:01:19parts of this

01:01:20verse.

01:01:21Let me pull up

01:01:22the King James

01:01:22plus.

01:01:23The first

01:01:24man, the

01:01:25man's goings

01:01:25are of the

01:01:26Lord.

01:01:26That man is

01:01:27the word

01:01:27geber.

01:01:29And that's

01:01:30the word used

01:01:30for a mighty

01:01:31man or a

01:01:32warrior.

01:01:33And this

01:01:34isn't just any

01:01:35warrior like a

01:01:36soldier.

01:01:37These are the

01:01:37elite.

01:01:38So like David's

01:01:39mighty men, the

01:01:4030 men that he

01:01:41surrounded himself

01:01:41with in the

01:01:42wilderness.

01:01:43So Uriah and

01:01:45Yoav, these

01:01:46were the mighty

01:01:46men.

01:01:47They were the

01:01:47commanders and

01:01:48they went out and

01:01:50killed their

01:01:50hundreds or

01:01:50thousands of

01:01:51Philistines right

01:01:52along with

01:01:52David.

01:01:52The second

01:01:53man is

01:01:55Adam, which

01:01:57just means

01:01:57man.

01:01:59So if a

01:01:59mighty man, go

01:02:01back to the

01:02:01ESV because it's

01:02:02easier to read,

01:02:04a mighty man's

01:02:05steps are from

01:02:06the Lord.

01:02:07How then can a

01:02:08regular man

01:02:08understand his

01:02:09way?

01:02:10So if even a

01:02:11mighty man isn't

01:02:12really controlling

01:02:12his own steps,

01:02:14how much less is

01:02:15a regular man who

01:02:17isn't so powerful

01:02:18and strong not

01:02:21going to control

01:02:21his own steps.

01:02:23I thought that

01:02:23was pretty cool

01:02:24the way that it

01:02:25contrasted that

01:02:26and I wish that

01:02:28the English

01:02:28translations would

01:02:29draw that out a

01:02:30little more.

01:02:31You know what I

01:02:32love about that

01:02:33is that when you

01:02:34think of a

01:02:34mighty man,

01:02:35you think of a

01:02:36egotistical

01:02:39person who's

01:02:42full of

01:02:44himself.

01:02:44but if the

01:02:45verse is saying

01:02:46a mighty man

01:02:48steps, he's

01:02:49deriving those

01:02:50instructions as

01:02:52to what step to

01:02:53take for the

01:02:53Lord, how

01:02:54beautiful is it

01:02:55that mighty

01:02:57person is

01:02:58humbling himself

01:03:00or herself so

01:03:01much that is

01:03:02taking direction

01:03:03from the Lord

01:03:04and how much

01:03:05that's

01:03:06counterintuitive,

01:03:07right?

01:03:07We see a mighty

01:03:08man as being

01:03:09full of himself

01:03:11and full of a

01:03:12plan and vigor

01:03:13and charge

01:03:14forward and

01:03:15instead, it's

01:03:16no, the

01:03:17mighty man is

01:03:18on his knees

01:03:18saying, what

01:03:20do I do, Lord?

01:03:21Direct me.

01:03:23Yeah, next to

01:03:23God, we're all

01:03:24ants.

01:03:25Thank you for

01:03:26that extra

01:03:27insight.

01:03:29All right.

01:03:30Four questions.

01:03:32Is there

01:03:32anything in here

01:03:33that offended

01:03:33anybody or just

01:03:35rubbed you the

01:03:36wrong way?

01:03:38What do you

01:03:38make of verse

01:03:3830?

01:03:40Glows that

01:03:40would cleanse

01:03:41away evil.

01:03:43strokes may

01:03:45clean the

01:03:46innermost parts.

01:03:47Is that

01:03:47basically saying

01:03:48that, I

01:03:50don't know.

01:03:51How do you

01:03:51interpret that?

01:03:52Well, I think

01:03:53that you already

01:03:54answered this one.

01:03:56You and Paula

01:03:56did talking about

01:03:57the wilderness.

01:04:00They, it's the

01:04:01trials of life

01:04:02that, that

01:04:04refine us, turn

01:04:05us into who

01:04:05God needs us

01:04:06to be.

01:04:06It's not, it

01:04:08could be talking

01:04:08about blows,

01:04:09like the blows

01:04:10for the back

01:04:11of a fool.

01:04:12Some people

01:04:13only learn

01:04:14through punishment,

01:04:15but really it's

01:04:16about trials and

01:04:17hardship in life

01:04:18and how that

01:04:19develops our

01:04:20character.

01:04:21At least that

01:04:22is my

01:04:22interpretation.

01:04:24I like that.

01:04:25I think

01:04:26frequently, just

01:04:27like what Solomon

01:04:27talks about in

01:04:28Ecclesiastes,

01:04:29sometimes the

01:04:31troubles, the

01:04:31blows that come

01:04:32in life are the

01:04:33result of bad

01:04:34decisions.

01:04:35We ignored

01:04:36warnings that

01:04:38said, don't go

01:04:39this way.

01:04:40So we ignore

01:04:41them and suffer

01:04:41the consequences

01:04:42and only then

01:04:43start to learn,

01:04:45all right, next

01:04:45time I'm going

01:04:46to read the

01:04:47signs and not

01:04:49take, not turn

01:04:50left on a one

01:04:51way or whatever

01:04:52the case may be.

01:04:54Verse 14 is one

01:04:56that I noted as

01:04:56offending me.

01:04:58And it doesn't,

01:04:59the proverb of

01:05:00course doesn't

01:05:00offend me.

01:05:01It's just, it's

01:05:02an observation of

01:05:02human behavior.

01:05:04It's the behavior

01:05:05that offends me.

01:05:06And I know that

01:05:07in most of the

01:05:08world,

01:05:09this is normal

01:05:11and accepted

01:05:12and honorable

01:05:13behavior.

01:05:15It's negotiation.

01:05:16Yeah, negotiating

01:05:17and bartering over

01:05:18things, but I have

01:05:19never understood

01:05:19it.

01:05:20Bad, bad says

01:05:21the buyer, but

01:05:22when he goes

01:05:22away, then he

01:05:23boasts.

01:05:25Haggling over

01:05:25something and

01:05:26insulting the

01:05:27seller and

01:05:28insulting the

01:05:28product in order

01:05:29to bring the

01:05:30price down.

01:05:31And then when

01:05:31you walk away,

01:05:32you're all

01:05:32pleased with

01:05:33yourself because

01:05:33you got a

01:05:33great deal on

01:05:34a good product.

01:05:35Like, it just

01:05:37gets my

01:05:38tackles up.

01:05:39Star in

01:05:40Turkey.

01:05:41That was

01:05:42expected.

01:05:43You were not

01:05:43to be paying

01:05:44the asking

01:05:45price because

01:05:46the asking

01:05:47price was,

01:05:48it's almost

01:05:48like a car

01:05:49salesman.

01:05:50We're going

01:05:50to play this

01:05:51game.

01:05:52And if you

01:05:53feel that you

01:05:53cut the other

01:05:54party down,

01:05:55so it's not a

01:05:55win-win situation,

01:05:56it's a win-lose

01:05:57situation, then

01:05:58you get to boast

01:05:59about how you

01:06:00defeated the

01:06:01other party and

01:06:03you get the

01:06:05better of them.

01:06:06I listened to

01:06:08a preacher on

01:06:09this earlier

01:06:10this week.

01:06:11He's of

01:06:12Middle Eastern

01:06:13descent.

01:06:13I don't know,

01:06:14Iranian or

01:06:15something like

01:06:15that.

01:06:16And he was

01:06:17talking about

01:06:17when he and

01:06:18his wife went

01:06:18on a trip

01:06:20into the

01:06:20Middle East

01:06:21and he didn't

01:06:22really say what

01:06:23the product was.

01:06:24There's some

01:06:24street vendor

01:06:25selling something

01:06:26and he

01:06:28decided that he

01:06:28was going to

01:06:28honor his

01:06:29ancestors by

01:06:30haggling this

01:06:31to death.

01:06:32And he got

01:06:34into it and

01:06:34they were

01:06:34yelling, he

01:06:35and this

01:06:35vendor were

01:06:36just yelling

01:06:36and screaming

01:06:37at each

01:06:37other and

01:06:38throwing insults.

01:06:40And finally

01:06:41he got,

01:06:42really they

01:06:43just met in

01:06:43the middle.

01:06:44The guy,

01:06:44the vendor

01:06:45wanted $40

01:06:46for whatever

01:06:46it was and

01:06:47he was going

01:06:47to offer

01:06:47$5.

01:06:49They eventually

01:06:49met at $20.

01:06:52And they

01:06:53were both

01:06:53happy with

01:06:53the deal,

01:06:54but they

01:06:55both walked

01:06:55away still

01:06:56cursing each

01:06:56other because

01:06:57that's how it

01:06:58was done.

01:06:59And apparently

01:06:59this show

01:07:01drew a big

01:07:02crowd in this

01:07:02bazaar because

01:07:04all the

01:07:04tourists wanted

01:07:05to watch

01:07:05these two

01:07:06Middle

01:07:06Eastern guys

01:07:07haggle,

01:07:07even though

01:07:07one of

01:07:08them only

01:07:09looked Middle

01:07:09Eastern.

01:07:10He grew up

01:07:10in America.

01:07:12But I don't

01:07:13understand how

01:07:14that works.

01:07:15I get

01:07:15conceptually,

01:07:16on a personal

01:07:17level, I don't

01:07:19really get it and

01:07:19I don't think I

01:07:20would ever trust

01:07:20myself to be

01:07:21able to haggle

01:07:23that way.

01:07:24I really like my

01:07:25world to be black

01:07:26and white as much

01:07:27as possible.

01:07:28The world just

01:07:28doesn't cooperate.

01:07:30You ever try to

01:07:31buy a car?

01:07:31Yeah, I

01:07:33let Paula do

01:07:34the negotiating.

01:07:35I have done

01:07:35way more of

01:07:36the negotiating

01:07:37than he does.

01:07:41I was trained

01:07:42in this.

01:07:43Yeah, my son

01:07:44went to buy a

01:07:45car and he

01:07:46paid, I gave

01:07:48him advice, this

01:07:48is what you

01:07:49should pay,

01:07:50offer and this

01:07:50and that and

01:07:52be willing to

01:07:54walk away and

01:07:55he paid their

01:07:56price and he

01:07:57lost.

01:07:59He overpaid

01:08:00what happened

01:08:00when he was

01:08:01fine with

01:08:02overpaying.

01:08:04Go ahead.

01:08:06I was just

01:08:06going to say,

01:08:07I think that

01:08:08with car sales

01:08:09and stuff like

01:08:10that, it's

01:08:11definitely, there's

01:08:13a somewhat of a

01:08:13game to it but

01:08:14the reality is

01:08:15for me when I

01:08:17go to buy a

01:08:18car, I'm

01:08:19looking at the

01:08:19market value,

01:08:20I'm looking at

01:08:20all kinds of

01:08:21things and my

01:08:23goal is to get

01:08:24a win-win kind

01:08:26of situation and

01:08:27the truth is that

01:08:28no car dealer is

01:08:29going to sell you

01:08:29a car at a

01:08:30loss.

01:08:31They won't do

01:08:32it and they're

01:08:33going to put the

01:08:34brakes on as

01:08:35early as possible

01:08:36on your offers

01:08:37but you can get

01:08:39a lot of

01:08:39information to

01:08:40know what's

01:08:42reasonable and

01:08:43I think that's

01:08:44really important

01:08:45in terms of

01:08:46just even as

01:08:48believers, I

01:08:49think there's

01:08:50something about

01:08:51goodwill to

01:08:54try to give

01:08:55somebody something

01:08:56that is closer

01:08:59to what they're

01:09:00asking is but

01:09:01that nobody's

01:09:02losing in the

01:09:03situation but I

01:09:05think that's it's

01:09:05very difficult

01:09:06because of the

01:09:07game that car

01:09:07salesmen play

01:09:08these days because

01:09:09there's so many

01:09:09ways they're making

01:09:10money on cars

01:09:11that the financing

01:09:13that all the stuff

01:09:14so it's definitely

01:09:15a different thing.

01:09:17it's not just

01:09:18professional car

01:09:20sales either.

01:09:21In private

01:09:22sales, I'm not

01:09:24going to name

01:09:24names because I

01:09:25don't want to

01:09:25embarrass anybody

01:09:26but not that

01:09:28anybody in this

01:09:29call right now but

01:09:29they might watch

01:09:31this video later.

01:09:32my tendency is to

01:09:34believe people when

01:09:35they tell me here's

01:09:36my situation and

01:09:38they give you a

01:09:38sob story and I

01:09:39want to believe

01:09:40them but this

01:09:42proverb is telling

01:09:43you don't take

01:09:44that at face

01:09:45value.

01:09:46If somebody is

01:09:47going to get a

01:09:48good deal out of

01:09:49you by giving you

01:09:49a sob story,

01:09:50they're very likely

01:09:52to give you that

01:09:52sob story but you

01:09:54don't have to cheat

01:09:55yourself in order

01:09:57to benefit them.

01:10:00You stick to your

01:10:01guns, get a

01:10:02fair price on

01:10:02whatever you're

01:10:03selling or

01:10:03whatever you're

01:10:04buying.

01:10:05I know somebody

01:10:06who they were

01:10:08selling a vehicle

01:10:09and we knew

01:10:10exactly how much

01:10:11the going price

01:10:14was for this

01:10:14vehicle in this

01:10:15condition and

01:10:17somebody they had

01:10:19been trying to

01:10:19sell it for a

01:10:20while at too

01:10:21high of a price so

01:10:22they kept bringing

01:10:23their price down

01:10:23and somebody came

01:10:25to them with a

01:10:26lowball offer

01:10:27and gave them

01:10:30this sob story

01:10:31about they're

01:10:32unemployed and

01:10:34they've got this

01:10:34problem and that

01:10:35problem and for

01:10:37all I know all of

01:10:38that was true but

01:10:39that's beside the

01:10:40point.

01:10:41You don't have to

01:10:42cheat yourself to

01:10:44appease somebody that

01:10:45you don't even know.

01:10:46If you know them

01:10:47and you want to

01:10:48help them, that's

01:10:48great but if you

01:10:50don't know this

01:10:50person, you have no

01:10:51way of knowing that

01:10:52their story is true,

01:10:53you need to assume

01:10:54that they're just

01:10:55giving you a sob story

01:10:56in order to get a

01:10:57better deal.

01:10:58That's just plain

01:10:59common sense and

01:11:01yeah, he believed

01:11:02the sob story, sold

01:11:03his vehicle for

01:11:04about half of, maybe

01:11:05not even half of what

01:11:06he should have gotten

01:11:07for it, lost a bunch

01:11:09of money and that

01:11:11guy probably went

01:11:11home and boasted

01:11:13about what a great

01:11:13deal he got even

01:11:15after he told the

01:11:16seller about all

01:11:21the things that were

01:11:21wrong with it and all

01:11:22the money he was

01:11:22going to have to put

01:11:23into it.

01:11:23exactly what this

01:11:25proverb says.

01:11:27This could be the

01:11:28beggar on the street

01:11:30corner proverb.

01:11:31Do you believe it?

01:11:33There are probably

01:11:33some that are

01:11:34accurate.

01:11:35I don't believe

01:11:36anybody in that

01:11:38scenario anymore.

01:11:39I have given to

01:11:41some people before.

01:11:42Sometimes it's been

01:11:43to get out of the

01:11:45situation.

01:11:47It is

01:11:48unfortunately

01:11:51the person

01:11:53that is giving

01:11:54you their story

01:11:55it seems that

01:11:57oftentimes they're

01:11:58the same story

01:11:59just different

01:11:59people and

01:12:01is it

01:12:02my job,

01:12:03the Christian

01:12:03job or point

01:12:04of view to

01:12:05pay them

01:12:06or to

01:12:07bless them

01:12:08if God

01:12:09tells me.

01:12:10I have had that

01:12:11happen occasionally

01:12:12but I know

01:12:13when we were in

01:12:14Turkey we were

01:12:15told don't give

01:12:15to any beggars

01:12:16and there was

01:12:19somebody begging

01:12:19with no legs

01:12:20outside and I

01:12:21turned to our

01:12:22guy and I said

01:12:23I'm sorry I can't

01:12:24follow that rule

01:12:25if I see this

01:12:25again.

01:12:27It's sad that you

01:12:28have to question

01:12:28am I going to be

01:12:30true to my

01:12:32feelings of whether

01:12:33I should bless

01:12:34somebody or not

01:12:35or be feeling

01:12:37I've been had.

01:12:38Yeah,

01:12:39that is a really

01:12:39complicated question.

01:12:41It's not an

01:12:41easy answer.

01:12:43Here in the

01:12:44States if there's

01:12:45somebody begging

01:12:45on a corner

01:12:46panhandlers

01:12:47or whatever

01:12:47I will frequently

01:12:49give them a few

01:12:50dollars.

01:12:51It's not going

01:12:51to hurt me

01:12:52and it's not

01:12:53going to make

01:12:53their day either

01:12:54but I don't

01:12:55know them so I'm

01:12:56not going to give

01:12:56them any more

01:12:57than that.

01:12:58If they look

01:12:59like they're doing

01:12:59just fine I

01:13:00probably won't

01:13:01give them anything

01:13:01but I've also

01:13:03heard stories

01:13:04about especially

01:13:05in India where

01:13:07people will

01:13:08deliberately cripple

01:13:09children so that

01:13:12they will get

01:13:13more money

01:13:14begging.

01:13:15This kind of

01:13:16thing happens to

01:13:16orphans, people

01:13:17like that.

01:13:18And I feel

01:13:20bad for this

01:13:21kid.

01:13:21I've never

01:13:22been to India.

01:13:22I've never

01:13:22seen this.

01:13:23I've only read

01:13:23about it.

01:13:25I feel bad

01:13:25for that

01:13:26person but

01:13:27giving them

01:13:29money is that

01:13:30encouraging the

01:13:30person who

01:13:31injured that

01:13:32person to do

01:13:32that to

01:13:33somebody else?

01:13:33I don't

01:13:34know.

01:13:35I don't

01:13:36know what

01:13:36the right

01:13:36answer in

01:13:37those kind

01:13:37of situations

01:13:37is.

01:13:39I haven't been

01:13:39there yet so

01:13:40if I ever

01:13:41am I'll have to

01:13:42think about it

01:13:43some more.

01:13:44It's definitely

01:13:44complicated.

01:13:46Yep.

01:13:47Are there any

01:13:48other proverbs

01:13:49in this chapter

01:13:49that someone

01:13:50wants to talk

01:13:50about?

01:13:51I don't see

01:13:52anything in

01:13:53particular.

01:13:54How do you

01:13:55split up 16?

01:13:57Take a man's

01:13:57garment when he

01:13:59has put up

01:13:59security for a

01:14:00stranger and hold

01:14:01it and pledge

01:14:02when he puts

01:14:04up security

01:14:04for foreigners.

01:14:06Isn't holding

01:14:07it and taking

01:14:08a garment

01:14:09on both

01:14:11scenarios

01:14:12pledges?

01:14:13Yeah.

01:14:14I think it's

01:14:15a parallelism.

01:14:16It's saying the

01:14:16same thing twice

01:14:17and stranger and

01:14:19foreigner are

01:14:19essentially the

01:14:20same thing.

01:14:21I wonder what

01:14:21the Hebrew

01:14:21there is.

01:14:23But it's

01:14:23basically

01:14:23equity.

01:14:25Oh.

01:14:26King James

01:14:27says strange

01:14:29woman instead

01:14:31of foreigner

01:14:31that's not

01:14:33Cree.

01:14:34Yeah.

01:14:35It can be a

01:14:37harlot, a

01:14:38prostitute.

01:14:40But I think

01:14:41really what it's

01:14:42saying is that if

01:14:43somebody has a

01:14:43history of making

01:14:44bad decisions,

01:14:45then you better

01:14:47get some collateral

01:14:47if you're going to

01:14:48loan them some

01:14:48money because they

01:14:50are either going to

01:14:53impoverish themselves

01:14:54and not be able to

01:14:55pay you back or

01:14:56they're just making

01:14:57bad decisions or

01:14:58they're not

01:14:58trustworthy,

01:15:00whatever it is.

01:15:02Just treat a

01:15:03person how their

01:15:04history demands.

01:15:07All right.

01:15:07Okay.

01:15:08Yeah.

01:15:08In the case of

01:15:09those beggars,

01:15:10this would certainly

01:15:11apply if you know

01:15:12the beggar and you

01:15:13know that either

01:15:14he's made and

01:15:15continues to make

01:15:16bad decisions that

01:15:17put him in a place

01:15:18to be asking for

01:15:19money all the time

01:15:20or you know he's

01:15:21going to go out and

01:15:22buy alcohol, drugs,

01:15:23or something with it,

01:15:25then don't give him

01:15:25any money because

01:15:26you're just making

01:15:27the problem worse.

01:15:29That's one way I

01:15:29would apply it

01:15:30anyways.

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