00:00Thank you very much for coming to the conference at Chateau de Coursède and Antigny-les-Messes.
00:15We thank you for this intersculpte 2025
00:22which is dedicated to the natural and artificial intelligence
00:27since it is the general theme of the Feet of Science this year.
00:32This afternoon, we will first hear Jensen Jensen from the University of Sunderland
00:41who is an artist and who will show his work.
00:45I will note that he will express his work in English but there are a lot of images so it will not be too difficult to follow what he will say and present.
00:55And then Matthieu Cortil who is a philosopher, historian of ethnics and researcher at Sciences Po
01:07and who makes pleasure to come to Paris, especially for the manifestation.
01:13So he will also show us his book,
01:16Ni Dieu Ni Ir.
01:18This is a whole program.
01:20Now, James, it's up to you if you want to start.
01:26Thank you very much.
01:27So, a pardon for speaking in English.
01:31I will show you some of my works which I have made over the last probably two years I think.
01:39So, I have worked a lot with 3D printing, I am a painter, I work with different media and I have gradually been excited by the processes of applying AI to 3D object generation.
02:01using text and image prompts to generate 3D files.
02:10So, without, I will go through.
02:16So, this is a work which is upstairs.
02:18And it's a sofa, a sofa henge.
02:23So, it's like a cross between making a stone henge of sofas.
02:29But the sofa is AI generated as an object and then printed, assembled.
02:36So, it's not, it's one sofa that you can make.
02:40It's like a website and AI design your own sofa.
02:43And then I 3D printed this and made it into a henge which I think you'll see is like, it's a bit light in here.
02:54Maybe we could put the lights out.
02:56Is it possible to switch the lights out?
02:59So, this is using Gemini which is a text prompt to generate a 3D image.
03:12And it's obviously, I don't know if you can see the lights at the sofas to the henge.
03:18And, thank you.
03:21So, this is another work I have downstairs.
03:37This is an AI generated galaxy.
03:41So, it's made using Maya, the editing software Maya.
03:48And it's also, let's see Maya, Maya, I'm not sure.
03:53But then it's, and then it's into Blender but it's using an AI generated texture generator.
04:02So, the galaxy is an AI generated galaxy on the cube.
04:07And then the mapping over the 3D object is broken up.
04:15So, it's like an AI galaxy with an embedded space.
04:21And that's 3D printed in Sunderland and the computing department with resin, full colour.
04:29So, these are some works which are using photographing, which is photographing as an assembled object.
04:41But, incorporating the supports in the printing process.
04:47So, again, now, there's one of these upstairs, which is this version, which is, again, so...
05:15I put together various ceramic figurines.
05:19And then, photograph them in a 3D model.
05:25And then, destroy the model.
05:28So, you have this kind of blocky version.
05:30And combine that with smooth versions.
05:33So, you get this kind of AI fake pixelation in 3D with parts of the sculpture being revealed.
05:43And parts of the model.
05:45So, again, it's just printed in BLA in the department.
05:49But, with the support removed, in a way.
05:53So, let's see.
05:57This might start to go a bit slower.
06:01So, yeah.
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06:09I'm struggling on the memories there.
06:11Sorry, that's okay.
06:13So, yeah.
06:14So, yeah.
06:15AI.
06:16This is a work using tripod, which is a website where you can upload an image.
06:26So, you have some mannequin that is outside my studio.
06:31And, from the one photograph, the AI is able to generate a 3D model.
06:41And then, that model is just playing straight from PowerPoint.
06:45So, it's just a GLB file.
06:48So, it will rotate.
06:50And, obviously, I put, again, assembly.
06:52So, it combines the model with the program.
06:55And, there is a, it's now possible to put a structure within the figure.
07:03So, you can animate the parts.
07:05But, that animation is not working today.
07:08So, in effect, we've just got a 3D rotating version.
07:17So, again, what to make?
07:20What to make is a...
07:23Yes, there's no English development going on.
07:26But, this is, uh...
07:28Roads landing, you know.
07:30By, uh...
07:31Someone photographed to create, uh...
07:34a 3D picture.
07:36And, in the Japanese podcast.
07:38I'm interested.
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07:58amazing,
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08:00that you can create this 3D file from a photo-brake.
08:02It's just,
08:03takes out all of the programming and the learning 3D Studio Max,
08:07or,
08:08you know,
08:09all of this software which kind of controls how you generate a 3D form.
08:14And I find it in a way exciting that more people will be able to access this and effectively the work will be what you choose to turn into a digital form, removing a barrier.
08:35So, I might put through a few more of these. This is, again, you did a clay. So taking clay and then photograph of the clay object.
08:50The thing I like with the AI, the reason I'm going to talk about AI is because I like the way it makes mistakes and that that can be incorporated into the work.
09:01So there are some ones which are, when you show them just the front of the object, how does it imagine what the back of the object would be?
09:10And some of the algorithm works out part of the edges, but ultimately you end up with something which is different to what you see.
09:24Okay, so, we have nodes for that node. Again, it's 3D node. It's literally 3D node.
09:37I'm going to go through a few of these until I find the one which is kind of a good example of what I was saying about the back.
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10:14So this is again, so some of these were different objects. One is from an exhibition where you could assemble these animal parts.
10:25And this one is from videos of Palestinian homes that have been destroyed.
10:34And again from one image you can create, it's like a virtual monument to genocide.
10:45So I guess I'm absorbed by things I see every day. I have a series of works which is called Everyday Objects where I photograph things I see every day.
11:01And in a way my feed at the moment is full of everything that's going on in Palestine.
11:07And so I wanted to make some tribute of the things which are going on.
11:19It's not letting me go, but so there's quite a few of these terrible monuments.
11:37So it's not only buildings which were destroyed in Palestine, but for a long period of time in Sunderland, the local civic centre, which was a brutalist building made by Basil Spence, who is an English architect of quite considerable renown.
12:05It was decided by the city that they no longer liked it or appreciated the architecture.
12:12And so for maybe two years the city has been destroying that and took a place for the executive housing.
12:23So they had a kind of beautiful object which they destroyed.
12:30So let me just talk about that.
12:35Okay, other sandwiches came with the bad AI.
12:40It's like small little toys and I like the way that the AI has deconstructed it and made something which isn't a photographic representation of these little objects.
13:02And this could be printed out which is the excitement for me.
13:11So I'm going to whiz through a few more examples of these.
13:17I'm going to give you a little bit of time.
13:24Five minutes.
13:26I'd have a lot to go for.
13:29Anyway.
13:32So yeah, assemble it.
13:34You know, putting together little objects and then taking them.
13:38I guess my work has always been about real objects and taking them into the computer,
13:45seeing how the computer changes things and then sticking them out.
13:48And then that process goes back and forth, whether it's in 3D print or into virtual worlds or as a projection like this and that.
14:01So this is another project I've been working on in Christian.
14:11This is Spatial.io.
14:13So it's like an online virtual space where, for example, you can have meetings.
14:23So something that has done several versions of them work with the DAP, which was like an active world site.
14:35So members from Cincinnati, Derek Wooden, he would make a virtual sculpture park where 3D models would be placed.
14:49And then members from Europe and America could meet up and experience the work in a virtual environment.
14:59So this is a kind of second version of that.
15:02Unfortunately, Derek passed away.
15:04The DAP is still archived. It's still very visible online.
15:16This is our new version, which is, again, so that we can create exhibitions in a virtual space.
15:24And, you know, meet up online.
15:34So this is Christian's piece here.
15:36And then this is a 3D AI-generated work, which is two tires stacked on Peter.
15:46So that's the main, probably.
16:02So then we have some more.
16:04So I've been working.
16:06And this is with an app called Meji, which is another AI-generating.
16:11So this is text prompt here.
16:15And this is the real one.
16:38And so, again, this is our brand new disease.
16:42And this is Endless Covenant.
16:45And where I work at the University, we have a little plinth outside the University.
16:57So one town, you know, in London, they have the fourth plinth,
17:04which is where the commission says, obviously, we have a fifth plinth outside the sun.
17:09And, okay, so.
17:12So this will be the actual Endless Covenant, but it's through Gemini.
17:18Let's see, that's how many plinths you need to make it the same height as the brand new.
17:25So, this was one I made in Strasbourg.
17:32And it's, again, an example of what I was saying about how the front is different to the back.
17:46So AI, in years, imagine it has three legs.
17:50Because the photograph was from the front, you could see, you could see like two of the legs,
17:56but it imagined where the third leg was.
17:59So I love that, that you put in a little object and you get something slightly different.
18:07So this is new stuff that Christian has not seen.
18:12But this was the Os Mathematicistan at the Forum.
18:18So I need to just give it a little bit.
18:21And so we get from one photograph of, you know, by the Plexiglas this play,
18:29with all the works by the arts of an African artist.
18:31And from one picture, it created another exhibition.
18:37I love the way it's extended the arts on this Brooke Buckley sculpture.
18:43It's kind of hilarious, you know.
18:46So, it's a nice thing.
18:49I'll quickly go through the movies there.
18:53So, this is another one, again, from Strasbourg.
19:00It's like, uh, Tatiana's shoes.
19:05I love the way that it's...
19:07It was from a photograph of her sandals.
19:10And her feet were there, but it took her feet away.
19:14And you just have the sandals.
19:16It's, uh...
19:18It's a lovely thing.
19:21I think that's all the way.
19:23Can you imagine it?
19:24That's a good one.
19:25These, again, little sculptures from, um, Lutak.
19:30Uh...
19:32And, um, again, it's one of them which I animate a lot.
19:36Oh, it's not playing the animation.
19:39Okay.
19:40So, this is another work which is out there.
19:43It's printed out.
19:44And the idea between this is it's going to be...
19:46Half of it is going to be made by a Christian.
19:49Uh, and half made by me.
19:51So, this is my half.
19:53But, again, when you flip on it, it rotates.
19:57And, uh...
20:00And, so...
20:04Uh, again, these are slightly different than the drawings.
20:08So, I make a pencil drawing.
20:10And then, uh, use AI to generate...
20:13Uh, take it into a three...
20:15Three-dimensional corner.
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20:24I'll, uh...
20:25I'll go quickly through these.
20:26So, over the summer, um, I was working on, uh...
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20:30I've got a company called Food as an object to turn into AI.
20:35So, it's, uh...
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20:38It's a Chinese website with, um...
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20:41Tencent.
20:42and you can get pretty much unlimited 3D generation and you get 3D files that it will send you back which you can print out.
20:57There's some photos of these upstairs on the floor in Patrick's face, so I will go through these quite quickly.
21:05But then again, this one here is one that I had in visit, it was like an axle with two donuts connected by a dog and it eventually achieved that.
21:22And then we, again it's some of the new 3D card printer, you are able to print out this sugary donut.
21:33I love the way that the mustard is like written in Chinese character or how I imagine a Chinese character.
21:45And there's definitely a mixing of how the Chinese website interprets objects from a kind of Chinese perspective.
22:00So I will go through these ones quite quickly.
22:03Again, I think this one is quite sweet.
22:05Again, it reminds me of a brain fousey.
22:08You know who it is.
22:09But it's a kind of a, yeah, fantastic concoction of hideous stuff.
22:18So yeah, there's one, and of course you can generate so much stuff behind you, which is the same.
22:30And this one is the blind sausage.
22:40So, we can go through the dumbbell series as well.
22:46And then there's some videos which are upstairs, but I'm all there.
22:53James, I think you have to conclude, no?
22:55I have to conclude, that's perfect, thank you.
23:07Can I ask a question?
23:09Yes.
23:10About these buildings, these front buildings, did you get some reaction from elsewhere?
23:18For example, Palestine people or Israel people?
23:22Again, I haven't really shown them.
23:24So, my aim is to make like a bronze sculpture from them.
23:29You could make them so you could have this really terrible apocalyptic building that made in bronze and then to be displayed somewhere.
23:41Maybe on the fourth floor.
23:42Maybe on the fourth floor.
23:43I don't know.
23:44I don't know.
23:45Back there.
23:46Yeah.
23:47So it's kind of work in progress at the moment.
23:49Okay.
23:50Yeah.
23:51I think it would get some response.
23:52Yeah.
23:53I think it would get some response.
23:54Yeah.
23:55I think it would get some response.
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