The Graham Norton Show Season 33 Episode 1

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00:00MUSIC

00:24Thank you so much!

00:26Thank you!

00:27Thank you very much!

00:28LAUGHTER

00:30Hello!

00:31Hello, everybody!

00:33Good evening!

00:34You are so welcome to the show!

00:37Yes, Autumn is here in like a misty September morning.

00:40I'm back.

00:41Cool, grey and just a little bit damp.

00:44Anyway, we've got a great line-up for our first show of the season.

00:47Look over there, singing for us later, it's the fabulous Ray!

00:50CHEERING

00:52Love Ray!

00:54She'll be performing her new single, Where Is My Husband?

00:57But more to the point, where are my guests?

01:00Let's get them on!

01:01First off, we love them as the prime-solving ditter in Grantchester

01:04and we love to hate him as Tommy Lee Royce in Happy Valley.

01:08Now he brings us the epic succession drama, House of Guinness.

01:11It's our good friend, James Norton!

01:17There he is!

01:18Hello, someone!

01:19Really nice to see you!

01:20Thank you!

01:21There he is!

01:22James Norton!

01:24This Oscar-winning actor and writer swaggered into our screens in Days of Confused,

01:29won our hearts in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days,

01:32and was out of this world in Interstellar.

01:35His latest book, Poems and Prayers, is already a Sunday Times bestseller,

01:38while he returns to our screens in a heroic true story, The Lost Bus.

01:43It is a warm welcome back to Matthew McConaughey!

01:50Here he comes!

01:52Hello, Sonny.

01:53Really good to see you!

01:54There you go!

01:55Yeah!

01:56That's Matthew McConaughey!

01:58Yeah!

01:59And we've got two stars from the new sports drama, The Smashing Machine.

02:05She made her mark in The Devil Wears Prada, thrilled us in A Quiet Place,

02:09and was Oscar-nominated for a performance in the global hit Oppenheimer.

02:13It's Emily Blunt, everybody!

02:16Oh, so shiny!

02:18So shimmery!

02:20Show business!

02:22Thank you!

02:23So nice to see you!

02:24Thank you!

02:25Thank you!

02:28And as The Rock, he conquered the wrestling world before turning action movie star,

02:33with roles in it's like Jumanji, Moana, and the Fast and Furious franchise.

02:37Now earning rave reviews for his performance as champion wrestler Mark Kerr in The Smashing Machine,

02:43it's the mighty Dwayne Johnson!

02:48Come here, buddy.

02:49Hello.

02:50How are you guys?

02:51How are you guys?

02:52How are you guys?

02:53What a coach!

03:00Sit down, sit down, sit down.

03:02Lovely!

03:04Welcome along, thank you very much for being here.

03:06Lovely to see you all.

03:07Thanks for having us!

03:08Cheers!

03:09For a show back, cheers!

03:10Cheers!

03:11Cheers!

03:12Cheers!

03:13Cheers!

03:14Okay, yeah, if you're wondering, tequila.

03:17Now, some of you know each other, James, I've got to ask, are you alright?

03:21Are you all right because you injured yourself?

03:23Are you all right because you don't know anyone?

03:25Well...

03:26It's sad. I feel like I know you.

03:29I know you. Yeah.

03:30And you've met the other backstage.

03:32We had a lovely time. We've discussed tequila and other things.

03:34Yeah. Just tequila, surely.

03:37I did get injured. Am I all right? No, I am fine.

03:39This is the thing that's on now, King and Conqueror,

03:42which is on PBC1 on Sunday nights.

03:44Yes, I fell off a horse. That's cool. Look at that.

03:47Yeah, I fell off a horse and I broke my collarbone in Iceland.

03:50Now, I was thinking,

03:51ooh, that must be terrible to fall off a horse, quite a distance.

03:54And then I saw a picture of you with the horse and you are taller then.

03:57Yes.

03:58So, Iceland...

04:01Surely a pony.

04:02It is a pony. OK.

04:04Yeah, yeah, so Iceland have a protective order on their horses.

04:06You cannot import a horse because they have this kind of gene pool

04:08and it can't be polluted.

04:10And so we were having committed to shoot the whole thing in Iceland.

04:13And I was a producer on the show as well,

04:15so we were tasked with finding the biggest Icelandic ponies we could find

04:18and they were... That was the biggest we could find.

04:20LAUGHTER

04:21Even though it was that small,

04:22I still broke my collarbone from falling from that great height.

04:25So, yeah.

04:26When did it happen?

04:27It happened at the very beginning of all the stunt sequences.

04:30That's fun. Yeah.

04:31Stunts, though, if you have one of those scenes

04:33where you might get injured,

04:35it's a good thing to schedule those at the end of the show.

04:37Yeah. End of the show.

04:38Is that your rehearsal? End of the show.

04:39Yeah, it was rehearsal. Yeah.

04:41Yeah, yeah.

04:42Producers will do that, they'll put the big stunt away.

04:45Wait, but he's producing.

04:46It was my son. He is the producer.

04:48LAUGHTER

04:49I learnt a lot, I learnt a lot.

04:51LAUGHTER

04:53But also, looking at that, I'm thinking,

04:54Dwayne, never do an historical epic in Iceland

04:57because that pony would not survive.

04:59LAUGHTER

05:02Does a regular horse make a noise when you get on it?

05:04LAUGHTER

05:06Does it go, oh...

05:07LAUGHTER

05:08Who? Yeah. Why?

05:09Because there's a lot of muscle mass there.

05:11LAUGHTER

05:13A horse would be going, oh, Jesus, look at this.

05:15Oh, my God.

05:16It groans, it groans, yeah.

05:17Many things groan when I get on it.

05:18LAUGHTER

05:25OK, Graham?

05:25I'm writing that down.

05:27I'm writing that down.

05:28APPLAUSE

05:31All right.

05:32Let's get on with our first film tonight.

05:35Dwayne and Emily are together in The Smashing Machine.

05:38It's in cinemas from the 3rd of October.

05:40And here's just a little taste of what to expect.

05:43Hey, Don, can you take this picture for us?

05:45Yeah.

05:46What are you thinking at the beginning of the fight?

05:48It's simple.

05:50Am I going to hurt him before he hurts me?

05:52Yes, there was a lie

05:56I'm sure you were alive

06:00This ramp for you to crown the greatest fighter in the world.

06:06He has come back from the brink.

06:10Let's see if he can pull out a victory over Mark Coleman.

06:15Have you spoken to either about fighting such a good friend

06:17for a life-changing amount of money?

06:21I just need you to let me in.

06:24Always about you.

06:25Only about fighting you.

06:26Everything is about you.

06:27Let's fucking go.

06:32Extra man, I love you.

06:42So good.

06:47Thank you, man.

06:48Thank you, thank you.

06:50It's exclusive.

06:51Thank you, brother.

06:52It is phenomenal.

06:54It's a true story.

06:55Mark Kerr, he was sort of the first star to come out of the MMA UFC world.

07:00He was, yeah.

07:00For a lot of you who don't know him, and a lot of people don't know him,

07:03Mark Kerr was the first...

07:05He was one of the pioneers of...

07:07There he is right there, of MMA.

07:08And he was, at one time, he was the greatest fighter on the planet, heavyweight fighter.

07:13And at that time, there were no rules, no regulations, and MMA was different.

07:18And there was no infrastructure around it.

07:20There was no financial planning.

07:23There was just fighters.

07:24And Mark fought his way to the top, and he struggled.

07:30And he struggled like a lot of fighters do.

07:32Unfortunately, though, he struggled under pressure.

07:34And the pressure, in many ways, got to him.

07:37There was addiction involved, and he wound up overdosing twice.

07:40And he's lucky to be alive.

07:41But he's here today, and not here in the audience, but he is alive.

07:44Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Kerr.

07:47But he is with us today, and he had this unbelievable life,

07:51and he had this volcanic relationship with his girlfriend,

07:55who eventually became his wife, and they have a beautiful son named Bryce.

07:58So it was really the role of a lifetime.

08:02So, Emily, tell us about Dawn.

08:03Yeah.

08:04And she's an extraordinary person, you know, and I found her,

08:08when I spoke to her, sort of simultaneously heartbreaking and fierce.

08:12And I think it is a very complex relationship to be in,

08:18when you're with a very dedicated athlete, whose life is on the line

08:24constantly, through his own addiction, through actually being in the ring.

08:28And they did have this rather hazardous relationship.

08:31But I think the movie is less about, you know, it's set to the backdrop of this 90s machismo,

08:38but it's so about vulnerability and the brokenness and, like, how you never really know what's going on in someone's life, you know?

08:44And the image of invincibility is not really the truth, you know?

08:47And we've got to talk about the Venice Film Festival, because you took actual Mark Kerr with you.

08:51So, I mean, obviously emotional to watch it, but to watch it with him, to watch it with him, that was the first time he'd seen it, right?

08:59It was the first time he'd seen it with an audience.

09:01So we get to the Venice Film Festival, which we're there for competition and we're sitting there and watching it.

09:06I sat next to Mark, Mark's a big guy, and I could feel him, and he's shaking.

09:12He's shaking the entire movie, especially the fight scenes with him and his girlfriend, who eventually became his wife, Dawn.

09:18He's shaking, every once in a while I reach over and grab his knee, and towards the end of the movie, where we have the big scene with Emily and I...

09:26Don't ruin it.

09:27I won't ruin it, no, I won't.

09:28Don't overpitch.

09:33So anyway, you'll never guess what happened.

09:36And then he is really shaking and crying, and then I look over and Benny Safdie's holding his hand.

09:43And, you know, in Venice Film Festival, it's very ceremonial, right, as we know, and it means a lot.

09:50Films mean a lot to people in Venice and at the Venice Film Festival.

09:54And before the credits came up, the audience erupts, and they give us a 15-and-a-half-minute standing ovation,

10:03and Mark Kerr is sobbing, which makes us all cry, and Benny as well.

10:10And it was just beautiful.

10:12We've got a little bit of footage of the ovation, and I say, it goes, I mean, it's horrible.

10:17Look at me.

10:19By the way, yes, let's wait till this is over so I can embarrass you, because this is...

10:23I know.

10:23No, look at your face beside yourself.

10:25And Mark Kerr is beside me, that's Mark.

10:27OK, he's by himself.

10:28So, there I am, right, I'm very emotional.

10:32The house lights come on before they're expected.

10:34I'm crying, and I'm trying to wipe my tears away to try and still stay cool.

10:39And this one is like, can you believe that we did that thing, whatever the fucking joke was that she said?

10:44No, I didn't. You can see.

10:45Hey, what are you talking about?

10:46I see in the clip that he's crying, and I went, do you remember on Jungle Cruise when you said you never cried?

10:51No, no, no, no.

10:53I'm in a moment.

10:54I'm in a moment.

10:57It's like the British thing, right?

10:58No, I think it's the British thing.

11:00Like, where it's like, it's a long time for people to be clapping, and I started to get embarrassed.

11:04Yeah.

11:05So I started making jokes, because I was like, oh, God, this is so much.

11:09Yes, to remain kind of humble and grateful for 15 minutes is quite hard.

11:13Yeah, it's hard to be like, thank you so much.

11:15And here's the thing, you know, just watching the trailer there, you know, that idea of Dwayne

11:21Johnson disappearing into any role, you kind of think, oh, how can you transform? But you do.

11:26What, what? And it's, and it's not just the physical thing, because it's obviously this hair,

11:30but other things went on.

11:32It was about 22 prosthetics. We had Kazu Heroes, our Oscar-winning prosthetic artist,

11:38and he helped me transform. There was also a vocal transformation too, but the idea,

11:42I think of transforming for me was something that, you know, I didn't know that I was,

11:49I didn't know that that was for me. And I wanted to do that, because a lot of times in the movies

11:53that I've made in the past, the bigger movies are big and they're fun, and I've liked them from

11:58Jumanji to Moana. And I'll go back to those, but there was something about this opportunity where

12:04there was a little, there was a voice behind my ribcage that was just telling me, right? So,

12:09like, it's like, and I'd shared this with Emily for years, like, it's just, it's gnawing at my gut

12:16to do more and challenge myself and grow and do something where I'm not chasing box office,

12:23but I'm doing it for me. Yeah.

12:24And it wound up being the most greatest, most gratifying thing. And I've said this before,

12:30and I mean it, Smash Machine changed my life. Well, you so pulled it off.

12:35Thank you very much. It really is phenomenal. And Matthew, I'm interested, because you had a kind

12:40of similar career pivot to what Dwayne's doing now, where you had this incredibly successful

12:46career with rom-coms, and you went, no, I'm going to search out different sorts of parts,

12:50more meaningful parts. How hard was it to turn your back on that incredibly successful career?

12:55So, similar to what Dwayne said, I had that 4 a.m. in my solitude on my own truth that hit me,

13:02that lands like a butterfly and strikes like a lightning bolt at the same time, that truth that

13:05you go, okay, tomorrow when the sun comes up and I'm back in the masses and all the world's coming

13:10at me and all those offers, I need to remember this truth. Now, I've been trying to get dramas,

13:15and was even offering huge pay cuts, and they're like, no, stay in your lane, McConaughey.

13:18You're the rom-com guy. You got that down. Mind you, I enjoyed him, but I was wanting to do

13:22something different, because I couldn't do what I wanted to do. I said, I got to stop doing what

13:25I'm doing. So, I said, no more, no more rom-coms. Called the agent, said, let the town know,

13:30it's not going to happen. I went to Texas, Camilla's pregnant, on the ranch, quiet down there.

13:35Camilla says to me, look, you don't know how long it's going to be dry, how long you're going to

13:38not go with work. This could go on, but this is non-negotiable. We're not going back. I was like,

13:43I'm not going back. Now, a year goes by, nothing, nothing. I call my agent, he goes,

13:49Matthew, I haven't even heard your name in six months. I'm like, okay. I may have just

13:53wrote myself a one-way ticket out of Hollywood. I start to think about other vocations, school

13:58teacher, wildlife guide, maybe I'll go back to law school, all right? 18 months go by.

14:03I really think I've done it. I'm out. I get this romantic action comedy. It comes with an

14:10$8 million offer. I read it. I pass. I say, no, thank you. It comes back with a $10 million offer.

14:15I said, no, thank you. It comes back with a $12 million offer. I said, no, thank you. It comes

14:20back with a $14.5 million offer. I said, let me read that thing. Same words as the $8 million offer,

14:29but it was better. It was funnier. I could see myself. This could work, right? But I ultimately

14:34said no. That must be so hard to say no. It was, but saying no to it, I think sent a little

14:42invisible message to Hollywood. Oh, McConaughey's not bluffing. We were talking about not flinching.

14:47Yes. Oh, he's playing offense. He's not just doing nothing. He's on to something.

14:53And 20 months, two months after I turned that down, the offers came in that I was looking for,

15:00and they came in in droves. It went Killer Joe, Mudd, The True Detective, Dallas Buyers, Magic Mike.

15:05Oh, that movie. They came in, everything I was looking for. And I would not have,

15:09they would not have come in if I wouldn't have unbranded for that 20 months. Yes. All right?

15:14Now, Dwayne, you didn't have to unbrand. You had enough steam going, I can make whatever choice I

15:18want, and I'm going to make this happen over here. That was a time for me where I had to unbrand,

15:23and it took 20 months. Mm. But then I was doing, and all of a sudden,

15:26my work was challenging the vitality I liked. Yes. Yes. I was like, there we go.

15:29Yeah. So cool. I know, yeah, absolutely.

15:36And there's one thing that every actor that wants to be successful,

15:39but then you don't want to be typecast. And James, you know, you were so good

15:44as Tommy Lee Royce in Happy Valley. You had that kind of psychotic faddy.

15:49There we go.

15:53Like, were you just offered lots of psycho villains after that, or...? Yeah.

16:00Yeah. I seem to get offered roles where they present as nice and kind of civil,

16:05and then underneath they have a heart of stone. And I don't know what that says about me, but...

16:09Yeah, look, I mean, I haven't had to rebrand, which is lovely. I've, you know, been lucky. I've been able to kind of twist and turns,

16:17and I think that's the way you keep learning and keep it fresh. That's what every actor wants.

16:21And, yeah, I mean, the villains are also really interesting. Like, the one I'm playing right now

16:25is a beast. Yes. So, you know, I get to play, and, yeah. But I have to say, I've cited you as

16:31someone who has done it, and, you know, now you as well, Duane, like, someone who has done it so elegantly,

16:36you managed to go against the grain. Because the producers, they want their job to be done easily.

16:40You know, you don't want your actor to have to go on these massive transformative journeys,

16:43because it costs money, and you have to get dialect coaches in and everything else. You want the actor

16:47to walk in as the character. And actually, what we want to do is go on those journeys,

16:50which you guys have just described so beautifully. So, yeah, it's a tough kind of struggle.

16:55Yeah. Talking of returning to our role, we've seen a lot of paparazzi pictures of

17:00Ms. Emily Blunt recently, because you... Are you still filming The Devil Wears Prada 2?

17:05Yes. Yes.

17:10It must be lovely to be making something that people are so happy about.

17:13They are so excited about it. It is incredibly sweet. I mean, we're trying to keep as much of it

17:18under wraps as we can, but it's not just the paparazzi, it's the fans outside. I've never experienced this,

17:24where it's just thousands of people waiting outside the sets. And I think when we made the first one,

17:29like, we thought it was funny. We were like, it's really funny. And then it comes out,

17:33and I was a kid, you know, when it came out. I mean, it's 20 years ago. And I remember my agent

17:39calling me going, you know, this is the opening weekend. I was like, is that good? Like, I didn't

17:43know what success was. And so it had this meteoric life, and it's amazing to come back to it.

17:51And because to make the second one, obviously, they needed the four of you, you, Stanley, Anne and Merrill.

17:56So did the four of you have a lot of say in what the story was going to be? We did. I mean,

18:01I think they were very collaborative on it. And, you know, they wanted everyone to be happy.

18:06They wanted us in cahoots with them. So it was really, really cool. Well, we look forward to that.

18:12But before then, do I urge you, go see Emily and Dwayne give extraordinary performances in

18:17The Smashing Machine in cinemas from October the 3rd. Very good. Thank you.

18:21Thank you. Good day. Thank you. OK. Next up, Matthew McConaughey.

18:28He brings us the latest offering from director Paul Greengrass. It's called The Lost Bus,

18:34and it's out now in selected cinemas, then on Apple TV Plus from the 3rd of October.

18:39Before we talk about it, here's some of the trail. At approximately 6.30am this morning,

18:44a fire entered the town of Paradise. Where do you need to get to? My son's up there with his grandma.

19:01It's too late. I'm too late as a father.

19:05It's not too late.

19:21Wowza.

19:25Oh, my God. So cool.

19:27Wow. And again, this is another extraordinary true story. Yeah.

19:34These awful, awful California wildfires in 2018. And this kind of reluctant hero.

19:39Tell us about Adam McKay. Kevin McKay. Kevin McKay. Sorry.

19:43In our story, he's come home because his father died. And he's there to take care of his

19:49widowed mother and reconcile our relationship with his son from an earlier divorce in his life.

19:54He's got a part-time job as a school bus driver. On this particular day, took the kids school,

20:00dropped them off, was out and about. And fires were coming across the canyon. They did. It happened

20:05all the time. No one even got alarmed. The first responders head up there and put them out.

20:09But on this day, the winds came and the fires jumped the canyon. So the first responders were stuck.

20:15And while they were stuck, they called it a mandatory evacuation out of the town of Paradise.

20:21When that happens, Kevin McKay has just made the decision, I'm going to go back and get my mom

20:27and my son who cannot drive. I'm going to save them, evacuate them.

20:32Not two minutes later, it comes through dispatch. I've got 23 kids stranded on the east side of town.

20:37Does anyone on that side of town have an empty bus? Well, guess who's got an empty bus?

20:43Do you pick that up and say yes? Or do you go get your mom and your son?

20:49He picked it up. And he said, I got him. He picks him up. There's a teacher with a Mary

20:55Ludwig who's played by America Ferreira. And this is the story about the next six, seven,

21:00eight hours of what happens. Wow. And you mentioned the personal

21:04side of the idea of being a dad. Yeah.

21:05And of course, that's incredibly present in this film because it is a family affair.

21:10Yes, it is. Check this out.

21:13I go home and pitch the script to my family, as I always do. Here's what it's about.

21:20You know, and if it's too R-rated, you got to kind of do it in a parable form.

21:23But kids were old enough. I told them that this one was about straight.

21:28I get to the part about my son and my son, Levi, who's 15 at the time goes,

21:33is that part cast yet? I said, no. He goes, you think I could read for it?

21:36Oh, my God. And I just kind of look at him, huh?

21:39Had he ever read for anything before? No.

21:42So this surprises me, but I kind of just give him a shoulder and like, yeah, right.

21:45He comes back next day. The next day, he badgers me four times and says, okay, all right.

21:50First off, sit down. We're going to talk about what this acting gig is.

21:53I said, this ain't modeling. This ain't no attitude.

21:57All right. This is a freaking rodeo. You got to go with soul and no

22:01bullshit in your bone. So he goes, well, I already got a scene worked out.

22:05I want to shoot. So I pulled up my camera shot.

22:06I was like, first take. I was like, okay.

22:08The kids got present. He was able to behave honestly in front of the camera.

22:13I was like, that's for starters. You need that.

22:15Did two takes. I sent it to the casting director with a note saying,

22:19I think this is good enough for a callback.

22:21She writes back and says, I think it's good enough to send to the director,

22:23Paul Greengrass. I said, great. And it dawned on me, wait a minute,

22:28do me a favor. Can you pull his last name?

22:30If he gets it, is he going to have an inkling that the last name helped him?

22:36Oh, I don't want that happening. So she pulled the last name,

22:39goes in his leave. Paul sees it, the director, looks like this.

22:41This is the kid. She said, well, you know,

22:43it's actually Matthew's son in real life. He goes, even better.

22:45Oh, that's so cool. And then, so it's lovely, your son's in it.

22:49Your mom's in it. My mom's in it.

22:50My mom's in it.

22:52Tell them who she plays. Tell them who she plays.

22:55No, she plays my mother. There she is.

23:01Kate McConaughey, 93 years young. Oh my gosh, she's gorgeous.

23:04No, but look at your son as well. Wow.

23:10So what we're going through, Paul and I would get together every week and kind of just go

23:15over the last week. How are we doing? Are we missing anything? Is there anything we want to

23:18do? Anything special? And the news was always good. We were always happy with everything he was

23:21going. But he said about four weeks in, he goes, I got one problem. He goes, I think I miscast the

23:25mother and I either misdirected it or we got to rewrite the scene. Do you know, do you have anybody

23:30idea who could play your mother? I said, let me think about it. Next day he goes, what about your mom?

23:35Wow. They're making this family affair. He goes, let's just cast her. I said, hang on,

23:40before you just cast her, let me get her in front of you. And I said, mom, can you send me a minute

23:47video on your phone of why you love being a mom? She sends me an eight minute video. I show that to

23:53Paul. He's like, yes, that's her. Wait, what was that conversation like when you told your mom?

23:59She was already into like, let me check with my agent, which she doesn't have.

24:04She was already like, well, let me think about it. This is all sounding very familiar to James

24:15Norton because your dad, has he been in every single thing you've done? Dad, has he? My dad has

24:22been in nearly everything I've ever done. Yeah, I'm terrified of him watching this because I know

24:25I'm going to get a text saying, why can't I play your dad? I want to, I want to, you know,

24:28I've got my notes ready. He mostly does kind of supporting background work. Yeah,

24:32yeah, he does a day as an essay on everything I do. So here he is in the House of Guinness.

24:37This is your current project. There he is. But we have found footage of him from War and Peace.

24:44This is, it's over, is it ten years ago? More than ten. At least, he flew himself out to

24:48Lithuania to shoot this. Yeah, he flies across the world. I did wonder how the hell he ended up in

24:53Lithuania to be in this. So he flew himself. He loves it, yeah, yeah. He gets a free haircut,

24:59he kind of struts around the set like a peacock. So you're not in this scene,

25:04but keep an eye out. I'll show you James' dad here. I mean, blink and you might miss him,

25:10but here we go. War and Peace, it's all going very well. Lovely, very dramatic. And look,

25:16who's that in the moustache? There you go. Did he keep the moustache? Yeah, he loved it.

25:24Did he keep the moustache? He didn't keep the moustache, no. Oh, it's a new one in House of

25:29Guinness? It's a new one in House of Guinness, yeah. In House of Guinness he had to throw a bottle at me,

25:31and he's not the most coordinated, and it was in a stunt sequence, and he had to throw the bottle

25:35multiple times. But yeah, no, he loves it. So when he comes out, is it specifically for one scene,

25:39or does he just lurk around for many background scenes? No, no, no, we make sure that he's only

25:43on for one scene. I mean, he would, he would, if he had the choice, get an agent. I mean, I'm terrified.

25:48But has he never asked for lines? Has he never asked for lines? He had a line in one thing. Oh,

25:52it was terrible. He had a, I'm sorry, Dad, but he had a line in Lady Chatterley's Lover,

25:58and I remember him, it was the director said, Hugh, let's give you a line, and he improvised

26:03something about the state of the coal mine, and he looks at me and goes, what the fuck,

26:08like, how do I, what does he really mean? And then it was, I don't know about you, but

26:11you obviously, your son and your mum are clearly much more talented than my dad,

26:14because he was terrible. And I was standing there, and I'm trying to stay in character,

26:18and all I have is this man going, the coal is not coming up the ground.

26:24Terrible. Really distracting when your dad is a terrible actor. And Dwayne, your mom,

26:31she didn't act, but she has now done some acting. She has. We actually, so I followed in

26:36Matthew's path, and I put her in, I cast her in live-action Moana. So she's in that, yeah.

26:44Does she have lines? No, thank God. OK. You went the Norton route.

26:49No, yes, that's it. You've talked about her before,

26:52but I love the idea of your mother. She enjoys your fame very much.

26:56She loves it. She does. My mom's had a tough life,

26:59and she, so now she's living like, there she is. She's just living her best life,

27:04and she does. She's my biggest fan. And she has this crazy room

27:09that's called the SmackDown room. And in the SmackDown,

27:12it's just all me. Yes, everything that, I mean, every little thing,

27:19anything you can think of, she just shoves it in there.

27:21Does your mom have something like that? My mom has the same room.

27:23She does? It's not, not of you, but it's of all my stuff.

27:27That would be weird. That would be amazing.

27:32So your mom is your biggest fan? Yes, but she also, and she is my biggest fan,

27:35but she also is very clear to take credit for all of. Wow.

27:41Every role I've ever played. Here's what she comes up after. She's like, she goes,

27:45Matt, you did so good. I can tell where you got it from.

27:54We're fine now. My ship's stable enough where I'm like,

27:56Mom, say whatever you want. Whatever you want.

27:58Now that she's got a great agent, she's good. Yes, yes.

28:01But also, she published a book. Yes.

28:03Can you remember what the name of the book was? Oh, yes.

28:06Because she probably has already put a sticker of the title of the book on my truck.

28:11It's called, I Amaze Myself.

28:12I feel like every book, every book should be called, I Amaze Myself.

28:19No, she's a legend.

28:21Chapter 26, guess what the title is?

28:24Some people deserve to be pissed on.

28:34What is Christmas like in your house?

28:36Oh, it's wild. Is it a novel?

28:39Oh. No, it's short, short stories.

28:41I don't know. Some people, it's probably helped out some people.

28:44She's very much a, um, she gets by on positive thinking and denial.

28:51It works. And she's 93 and not shallow and kicking ass.

28:54So, I love her. Talking of books, I must say,

28:57after the success of your memoir, Green Lights, you now have a new book,

29:01Poems and Prayers. Yes.

29:02Number one in the New York Times. We already know there's going to be the bestseller list in the Sunday Times.

29:06Thank you. Thank you.

29:09And from what I read, so a lot of the material in here, you've been working on off and on for years.

29:17Yes. So this is something you've always done.

29:19Yeah, I've been writing poetry since 18.

29:21Yeah. Yeah.

29:23And I think you're going to do one for us, maybe?

29:26Yeah, I'd love to read one.

29:27Have you got the book with you yet?

29:28Actually, your mum is here and she's here.

29:31She's here in her two-piece bikini, right?

29:33I wanted to set up, oh, well, you've got the book there.

29:36Oh, you've got the book there.

29:38Why I wrote it and why I put it out now.

29:41Seems to me belief is in short supply.

29:45Look around, turn on the news, you look around, not much to believe in or reasons to believe.

29:51And that's not going to work because if doubt wins, we're all going to lose.

29:56All right. So this is me looking for belief because I found my own self getting cynical.

30:01I found my own self objectifying people and kind of thinking, I guess that's just the way it is.

30:05First, that scared me. Secondly, thankfully, it pissed me off.

30:08And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no.

30:10I promise I'd never become a cynic at the early death if you do that.

30:13So I wrote this to dive into my own belief.

30:16And I've also found a lot of people on the way going, they feel kind of the same way.

30:20They're looking for belief.

30:21So poems and prayers, instead of looking to reality and the evidence for belief,

30:24let's look at our dreams and our aspirations and see if we can bring those back down to earth.

30:29And that's why I wrote this book.

30:31There's a bunch in there. Why don't I read one that's kind of funny?

30:33Okay. All right.

30:34And not that long. How about that?

30:35Yeah, okay.

30:36All right. It's called More Time.

30:38I think it was about 2 a.m. The band played the last tune and I said,

30:42Amen. Went to pay my tab over at the bar when the main event started tuning their guitar.

30:48So I ordered myself another bottle of wine. God, I love it when I got more time.

30:53Thought it was the year 2010. Not a worrying sight in the fast lane again.

30:58Signed all my checks one year tardy because it was 09 and I hadn't left the party.

31:04So happy my balance wasn't in the red. God, I love it when I'm early instead.

31:08Met a woman I liked and she became my friend. We turned into lovers and thought we'd make it until the

31:15end. But as soon as we lined up hand in hand in the queue, my eyes started turning a lighter shade of blue.

31:21Well, sometimes love just loses its shine and sometimes leaving early just gives you more time.

31:33Thank you guys. Very good guys. Thank you.

31:40Meanwhile, in another part of the forest, James Norton brings us a new epic historical drama,

31:46House of Guinness on Netflix now and here's a taste delicious.

31:52The death of your father has served to poke a stick in a hornet's nest.

31:59A gift from Mr. Guinness.

32:03From a representative of the Dublin poor.

32:07Children Sir Benjamin leaves behind are weak and divided. Now is the time to use that weakness.

32:17You think there'll be trouble today? The man's name is Guinness.

32:24Of course there'll be fucking trouble.

32:33There's no Tonys in that. No Tonys. No Tonys. Big horses.

32:46Big horses. And here's the thing, obviously the Guinness family who are kind of fighting for

32:51control of the brewery, they're real. Who do you play and are you kind of an actual historical figure?

32:56Uh, so I'm not, I'm made up. The, the, the story is a kind of the, the, the father Benjamin Guinness is all true.

33:02He died in the early 1860s. Um, and he left his power vacuum. It's the kind of big dynasty show.

33:08The four children then take over the, the brewery. I play there, um, fixer, caretaker, kind of the,

33:14he runs the show. He's the boss. He's called Sean Rafferty and he's a, he's a badass. Yeah,

33:19he really is a badass. It's really fun. Yeah. And it's by the same guy who wrote Peaky Blinders,

33:24right? It's Stephen Knight. Yeah. And he is, yeah, yeah. And he's firing on all cylinders. He's,

33:30he's in his element. You can tell he had a lot of fun making it. Um, yeah, it's a really,

33:34it's a romp, you know, it's a, it's an amazing period of history. It's when this, this brand,

33:39Guinness became this, you know, the biggest beer brand. I didn't realise how famous Guinness was in the 1860s. Yeah.

33:44It was global already. Well, it was just, this, this story is the kind of, the moment it

33:48exploded into North America, um, and on the kind of coattails of the industrial revolution and,

33:53and, uh, but it's sort of, it's smoky and sexy and it's irreverent and, you know, it's, it's,

33:58we have many names, the crown with beer. Subsession, it's been called. Uh,

34:04Subsession. I mean, there's many people have coined it, but yeah, it's, it's a lot of fun. It's

34:07definitely a fun, fun romp. And when I watch something like this and you know, you're in it and you're

34:12doing a really good Dublin accent. Thank you. When you said yes to it, did you just kind of think,

34:16I'm sure I can do that accent or did you know you could do a Dublin accent? No, I mean, I was

34:21terrified. You know, the Irish are very, well, you know, they're very proud people, right? They'll,

34:26they'll tell you. They will tell me, they do. They often do. Have you done press in Ireland yet?

34:31I have. You got away, yeah. Terrifying, honestly. I sat on this couch with Jamie Dornan and he

34:36told us he got crucified by a journalist for his Irish accent. Yes. And he's Irish. I was in that

34:41movie with him. You were in that movie. And we got destroyed. Yeah, but he's Irish. I mean,

34:45I know he's, but he's from Belfast. Yeah, that's true. And they told him his Irish accent was

34:50shit. So it was like, you were pointing. I don't know what, I don't know. It was anyway,

34:54but no, listen, I, the accent, the accent was terrifying and I worked really hard at it because,

34:58you know, we've, we've all, we all know actors who didn't get it right and they do get hell to

35:02account. And did you have any kind of like, were you given shortcuts into it? Yes, I did. I had

35:07an amazing dialect coach called Paul Musilides who basically, yeah, he gave, he gave me, I don't

35:14know if you've ever done this for an accent, but he gave me kind of the vowels broken down into eight

35:18sounds. And then these little poems actually, funnily enough, I could follow, I could follow

35:22with one of the poems, but they, they were, they were kind of ridiculous. And I would listen to them

35:26and look kind of crazy walking around. Can you remember any of them? I remember, like,

35:31the sound, I mean, I'm going to butcher it and the Irish people are going to come.

35:34No, they're not. They are. You're not on set. No, I'm not on set. It was a year and a half ago

35:39in my defence. So, like, the sound, like, wine, light, uh, fine Ireland was, it was something like,

35:44um, uh, the prime height for umpours in Ireland is five foot nine. I'm smiling now because of the fine

35:51white wine I'm drinking. It makes me feel like I'm a lion flying over a toy.

35:55You know what I mean? Did you do that right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You still got it.

36:00You still got it. That's one of... That's cool. Yeah, sure. You meant that now. There's an accent,

36:05you, like, it's, it's very scientific. You've got to break the accent down into these times.

36:09Have you ever done an accent, Matthew? Yes. Yeah. Tim Monick is who I worked with,

36:13who's done the same things. He's great. Yeah, you give the little limericks and you just find the,

36:18uh, the, actually the rhyme and the, the vowel sounds along the way and you start,

36:22it sort of seeps in. And, uh, James, uh, Norton, the, this is a, you know,

36:27it's a big action, uh, series, a big action role for you and, you know, and we've, we've had fighting,

36:33we've had fires, you bring us explosions. I do. Now, have you ever had to do walking away from an

36:40explosion before? So pleased we can get to talk about this. Yeah, so we have, no, you, you have,

36:46I know you have because there is a song. So we were shooting this scene, um, in, in Liverpool and,

36:50and my, and Sean Rafferty, my, my role was made very easy because all I had to do was sort of

36:55strut and smoke cigarettes and look kind of cool. And so with one of these scenes,

36:59I was walking away from an explosion and my business partner and my dear, dear best friend,

37:02she, she texts me in the middle of this, this, uh, scene. She said, have you seen

37:06Cool Guys Don't Look Back at Explosions? The Lonely Island guys. Have you seen it?

37:09Yes. The Andy Samberg, which you were in. It's a song and he's cut together. It's so good.

37:14He's cut together all the actors and actresses over the, over the time in Hollywood who have

37:18walked away from an explosion and not turned back. You can't turn back. You can't turn back.

37:21But you were my inspiration. Oh, cool. This is, this is what actually in the series,

37:26this is, uh, Sean Rafferty walking away from an explosion. I'm not afraid of a bit of progress.

37:34And wait for it. Oh, there you go. But then I do look back. Do I not? No, you don't.

37:38No! So cool. So the rules, Bernie, are, you don't look back. That's a rule. You don't look back.

37:44Yeah. And I suppose the other thing would be, you wouldn't look sort of pleased with yourself

37:47for walking away from an explosion. Oh, no. No, don't, don't look back. Don't, don't look pleased.

37:51Yeah. Don't, don't react. Don't look back. He's a stone cold straight face.

37:54Stone cold straight face. Yeah, like this is what I do kind of thing.

37:57But by the way, you're a producer. Make it happen. Yeah. I wasn't a producer on this,

38:00but I didn't know what you, but yeah. So this is, this is, uh, this is a slightly longer take.

38:05This is from behind the scenes of, uh, Sean Rafferty walking away from the explosion.

38:10Oh. So, uh, here he goes. So there's the explosion. Not looking back. Oh, he looked back.

38:15He did. At least he, at least he hasn't looked pleased with himself at all.

38:20LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

38:24Oh, no. Oh, cool. Found out.

38:29Yeah. All right, it's time for music. The seven-time Brit Award-winning

38:34Grammy-nominated artist first set the world alight with her debut album,

38:38My 21st Century Blues, here performing her newly released single,

38:41Where Is My Husband? It's Ray!

38:45CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

38:47I look like a baby. I look like a ring. I look like a diamond ring on my wedding finger.

38:54I look like a big and shiny diamond. I could wave around and talk and talk about it.

38:58And when the day is here, forgive me God that I could ever doubt it.

39:02Till death I do, I do, I. This man is testing me. Oh, oh, oh, oh, help me.

39:08Yeah. Baby, where the hell is my loss? Getting down with a lover.

39:23Ooh, yeah, yeah. Tell him if you see him, baby. Tell him if you see him, baby.

39:26Tell him if you see him, baby. He should have.

39:28Why is this beautiful man waiting for me to get old? Why are you already testing my patience?

39:32I only think we're taking time with other women that ain't me. Well, I've been reviewing applications.

39:36That's why I got my hands on him. I'ma tell him I'm too foul, no. He can't be waiting and anticipating.

39:42Bring to the love to give him to my loving arms and inspire my friends.

39:45Just leave, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep.

39:49How am I all getting home? Is he far away? Is he, is he okay?

39:57This man is testing me, aha, aha, aha, help me. Help me, help me, Lord.

40:01I need you to tell me, baby, where the hell is my loss been?

40:05What is taking him so long to find me?

40:09Oh, baby!

40:11Where the hell is my lover?

40:13Getting down with another

40:16Tell him if you see him, baby

40:18He should hide

40:19I'm doing the acrobatics

40:21I'm sleeping my dress at 2am

40:22And I'm tired of living like this

40:24He must be out there getting ready

40:25Trying to fix up his tire

40:26Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh

40:27Hello, this way your wife is

40:28Ready

40:29Till I get your heart going

40:30I'm turning out too foul much

40:31I'm gonna love ya

40:32No one above ya

40:33Pray

40:34To the doctor

40:35Hurry, hurry you along

40:36Baby, I ain't saying I bless ya

40:37Is he really?

40:39He he he he he

40:41Oh, my heart is broken

40:44Is he far away?

40:46Is he okay?

40:48Is he okay?

40:49This man is testing me

40:50Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh

40:51Help me!

40:52I need you to tell me, baby

40:54Where the hell is my lover?

40:57Would've taken him so long

40:59To find me

41:01Oh, baby

41:02Way to head is my lover

41:04Getting down with another

41:06Tell him if you see him, baby

41:09If you see him, materially

41:11Tell him I'm mm

41:13Tell him I'm mm

41:13Tell him I'm kind

41:16Tell him I got brown eyes

41:18In a groan fit

41:18If he doesn't find me

41:19Now I'm gonna die long

41:20So can he bring my, my, my, my

41:22Hey, baby, I gotta say

41:22Oh, my, my, my, my

41:24No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

41:26He's like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like a ring

41:28I'm like, I'm like a diamond ring

41:29I'ma wave at finger heart

41:30I can pick a shiny diamond

41:31And I'll wave around and talk and talk about it

41:33Modern days of you give me hope that I could have without it

41:36Do I do I do I?

41:38This man is testing me

41:40Oh-oh-oh-oh

41:41Oh, baby

41:44Where the hell is my husband?

41:47What's taking him so long

41:48To find me?

41:51No, no, no, baby

41:52Where the hell is my lover?

41:55Getting down with another

41:56Oh, yeah

41:57Tell him when my grandma said it

41:59Tell him grandma said it

42:00Your husband is coming!

42:20Wow!

42:24Wow, wow, wow!

42:27Putting on a show!

42:30Give it up for Ray!

42:32Her orchestra and her backing vocalist!

42:35Come on over, Ray, dude!

42:37How amazing was that?

42:40Start me!

42:42Hello, Ray!

42:43So good to see you!

42:45Come and meet everyone!

42:47Hello!

42:48Hello!

42:49Hello, Emily!

42:50Ray!

42:51How are you?

42:52Ray, right here!

42:54Oh, my God!

42:55Lovely, Emily!

42:57Lovely!

42:58Lovely!

42:59Wow!

43:01Hey!

43:02Hello, guys!

43:03First of all, thank you for that amazing performance!

43:06It was incredible!

43:08It's a standing-up dress!

43:09It is!

43:11I know, you put on a show!

43:13Thank you so much!

43:14Thank you!

43:15Just terrific!

43:16I know!

43:17I know!

43:18And also, I want to say just congratulations on everything that's happened to you since the last time you were on the show!

43:21Oh, it's been a whirlwind!

43:22I mean, broke records at the Brits, performed at the Grammys, the Oscars, it's just, it's phenomenal!

43:27I'm so happy for you!

43:28I'm so happy for you!

43:29So happy for you!

43:31Can I ask you a question on that?

43:34With all your success, did you lean into being more you?

43:39Definitely, yeah!

43:40Yeah!

43:41Like, that right there is me!

43:43It was a good song!

43:44Thank you!

43:45And that is the new single that's out now, Where Is My Husband?

43:49And that voice we heard at the end...

43:51Yes!

43:52Is it true that that's your granny?

43:53It's my grandma, yes!

43:55I don't know if you picked it up, this was right at the end of the track.

43:58Your husband is coming!

44:00Come on, grandma!

44:01That's my best friend!

44:04She's my best friend!

44:06I call that lady every night, we pray together, we talk about life together, that's my rock, pun and no pun intended.

44:14You know, I sang your song today on the radio.

44:16You did?

44:17Yeah!

44:18What do you mean?

44:19Greg James, I sang it!

44:20Like, it was a challenge to me, like the rap portion, because, you know, there's like a rhythm to it.

44:25Well, you sang I Would Like a Ring?

44:26Yes!

44:27It was crazy, yes!

44:28No, I butchered it!

44:30But it was terrible!

44:31It was terrible!

44:32It was terrible!

44:33I'll tell her it was terrible!

44:34But, I did!

44:35So, congratulations on everything!

44:37Oh my gosh!

44:38I would love to get that footage, please!

44:40It's one of those life achievements!

44:43That is the new single, and it's going to be on the new album?

44:47Yes!

44:48Now, when is the new album coming out?

44:50So, you can pre-order it.

44:52Great!

44:53Pre-order it, but it's just not done at all, like, at all.

44:56I'm an independent artist, right?

44:59You've got to get ahead of these things, you know?

45:01OK!

45:02We put it out there.

45:03I've kind of given myself a rough deadline.

45:04I would like to say the first third of next year.

45:07Definitely the first half of next year.

45:09LAUGHTER

45:10OK, so I...

45:12OK, this is not what I thought.

45:14Sorry.

45:15I thought it was kind of like, done, you were just doing a little polishing.

45:18Oh, no, no.

45:19Yeah, maybe add some...

45:20Add some horns to that.

45:22No.

45:23Not at all.

45:24OK.

45:25So, are you writing it right now?

45:26I am, yeah.

45:27So, it's a beautiful process, but it does take time, and I...

45:31LAUGHTER

45:33Yeah, I handed in Where Is My Husband eight days before it came out,

45:36do you know what I mean?

45:37So, I'm combing away at it, chipping away,

45:39no, this could be better, we should add this, yeah.

45:42When you're writing, do you sleep, or are you just always churning with it?

45:46No, you need rest.

45:47Being tired in the studio is the worst.

45:49Yeah.

45:50Yeah, you need to be on, you need to be present,

45:51and I think it's kind of like imagining your guys' crafts,

45:54you know, when your heart starts beating,

45:56and you just feel like this adrenaline goes,

45:59and you're like, I'm where I need to be right now,

46:01I need to chase this feeling.

46:02It's that feeling, you know?

46:03Yeah.

46:04Being tired in the studio, your songs are going to suck.

46:06But now, in terms of finishing the album,

46:09tell me this, does the album at least have a name?

46:11Um...

46:13Not really.

46:14Kind of, kind of, kind of.

46:16What is it kind of called?

46:18LAUGHTER

46:20Um...

46:21LAUGHTER

46:23Kind of is the title right now.

46:26Kind of is the title right now.

46:27Oh, nice, nice, kind of.

46:29Yeah.

46:30Actually, so, if Matthew McConaughey says it, it's cool.

46:32Yeah, I need one of them, you know, they do quotes of like,

46:34you know, it's just like, Matthew McConaughey, kind of.

46:36LAUGHTER

46:37Yeah.

46:38But look, the one thing we do know is,

46:41you are going on tour.

46:43Yes.

46:44Yes, you are.

46:45When does that kick off?

46:46Next year, and, um, yeah,

46:49we just announced a fifth O2 Arena, like, can you believe it?

46:52That is phenomenal.

46:53Oh!

46:54It is phenomenal.

46:55And it's interesting because we were, uh,

46:58we've been talking about family a lot tonight,

47:00and your tour is going to be a family affair.

47:02It is my two beautiful sisters.

47:05Who are here?

47:06Is that them right there?

47:07That's them over there.

47:08Get over here now.

47:09Hey.

47:10Emma, absolutely, come on up.

47:11Come on, sisters!

47:13Give up!

47:14Hello.

47:15Are you, Emma?

47:16Emma, absolutely, hello.

47:18Have a seat, you.

47:19Well done.

47:20You did well.

47:21Well done.

47:22You did well.

47:23So, this is Emma, absolutely, and you are going on tour.

47:26Now, absolutely, you've been on tour with Ray before?

47:29Yes, I have.

47:31This is like some fever dream right now.

47:33Is it weird everyone's just staring at you?

47:36Yes, it is.

47:37Oh, you're doing so well.

47:39You sound like you're not thrilled with the idea of going back on tour.

47:42You're like, yes, I have.

47:43It's a good dream.

47:44It's a good dream.

47:45She is.

47:46She is.

47:47Abby's the shy one of us three.

47:48A bit more, yeah.

47:49Have your mother named you Absolutely?

47:51Oh, that would be amazing.

47:52No!

47:53No!

47:54My name is Abby.

47:55Abby Lynn.

47:56Where'd Absolutely come from?

47:57I was...

47:58That's your name, is it?

47:59Tequila.

48:00Tequila!

48:01You imagined it.

48:04No, but that is what you're called.

48:05You're called Absolutely, right?

48:06Yeah, that's your stage name.

48:07That's my artist name.

48:08Ah, there you go.

48:09I didn't just make it up, Matthew.

48:10I didn't just look at the woman and go,

48:11it looks like an Absolutely to me.

48:12Abby's too short, it feels rude.

48:13This is such a real moment.

48:14I'm just saying, my sister's on one side,

48:15and then you guys on the other side.

48:16Really abnormal.

48:17Yeah.

48:18You'll never believe who's in the lounge.

48:19Well, you're not looking.

48:20Well, listen, good luck with the tour.

48:37I know you're adding lots of extra dates, so you're going to be together for quite a long time.

48:44So, enjoy it.

48:46Yeah.

48:47And Ray, thank you.

48:48That is really a performance for the ages.

48:50It was just fantastic.

48:52Ray, everybody!

48:53Oh, my God.

48:56That is it for tonight.

48:57Sadly, no time for red chairs, I'm afraid.

48:59So, please thank the rest of my guests.

49:01James Norton!

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49:04Matthew McConaughey!

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49:08Emily Blunt!

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49:11And Mr. Dwayne Johnson!

49:14Join me next week with another great line-up.

49:18Lewis Capaldi, Donald Gleeson, Jodie Turner-Smith, Greta Lee, Oscar winner Killian Murphy and the one and only Taylor Swift.

49:26I'll see you then.

49:27Good night, everybody.

49:28We're live!

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49:40Listen to music uncovered at Changeling on BBC Sounds.

49:43Up next, start your engines for a new series of RuPaul's Drag Race UK.

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