The Graham Norton Show Season 32 Episode 6

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00:00.

00:22Thank you very much.

00:24Oh, you're very good.

00:27Thank you so much.

00:28Thank you, guys.

00:29Hello, one.

00:30Good evening, everyone.

00:31You are very welcome to the show.

00:33Hey, it's Friday night.

00:35Like a badly carved pumpkin rotting on your doorstep.

00:37I'm back.

00:38And we've bought another great line-up for you.

00:41Look who's singing for us tonight.

00:42Right over there, it's Michael Kiwanuka.

00:44There he is.

00:46Later on, he'll be performing The Rest of Me.

00:51But first, on my sofa tonight,

00:53he's a 13-time Grammy-winning musician and producer

00:57whose hits include Get Lucky with Daft Punk,

00:59Drop It Like It Hot with Snoop Dogg,

01:01and Happy with These Guys,

01:03which was the most played song on British radio

01:06in the last decade.

01:08Now, he's telling his life story through Lego animation.

01:12No, he really is.

01:13In the documentary Piece by Piece,

01:15please welcome Borel Williams.

01:17CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

01:19We've got two stars of The Men's Adventure,

01:35of the nation's favourite bit.

01:36No, not him.

01:37No, not him.

01:38Really not him.

01:40There he is, yes, Paddington.

01:43First up, he's ruled the roost as Downton's Earl of Grantham,

01:46as the hapless Ian Fletcher in W1A,

01:49and most recently as a troubled TV star in Douglas Is Cancelled.

01:53Now he's back as the mild-mannered Mr Brown,

01:56it's Hugh Bonneville!

01:58CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

02:00CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

02:02Oh, thank you so much.

02:03So nice to see you.

02:05Have a seat, too.

02:06Thank you so much.

02:07And taking over the role of Mrs Brown,

02:10she starred in Shutter Island,

02:12Erin Sorkin's Newsroom,

02:14Mary Poppins Returns,

02:15and wrote, directed and starred in the recent adaptation

02:18of The Pursuit of Love.

02:20It's Emily Mortimer, everybody!

02:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

02:24Oh!

02:25It's lovely.

02:28It's lovely.

02:29Hello.

02:30Hello.

02:31Emma Z, Emily Mortimer.

02:33And playing an unusually dark role

02:36in the chilling new drama Before,

02:38this award-winning comedian and actor

02:40hosted the Oscars nine times

02:43and starred in hit films like City Stickers,

02:45Analyze This, Monsters, Inc.,

02:47and The Iconic, When Harry Met Sally.

02:50It's Mr. Satterley Knight himself.

02:52Please welcome the great Billy Crystal!

02:55CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

02:56Oh, he's here!

02:57CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

02:58Hello, everyone.

03:00So good to see you.

03:01Can you see yourself really well?

03:03CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

03:04CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

03:06Very good.

03:09Have a seat.

03:10Have a seat.

03:11Now you say.

03:12They're loving it.

03:14Now you say.

03:15APPLAUSE

03:16They're loving it.

03:17Now, I know you all met backstage,

03:18but Billy, did you know any of these fine people before Tide?

03:20No, no.

03:21That's why coming here is always so great.

03:22LAUGHTER

03:23You meet some people.

03:24No, last time I was here was the New Year's Eve show.

03:26It was!

03:27Mind a steel trap, Billy Crystal.

03:28No, well, I'm still hung over a little bit.

03:30LAUGHTER

03:31And, uh, Pharrell, you're a proper fan of Mr. Crystal.

03:34Oh, my goodness.

03:35His, his days beginning at, uh, Saturday Night Live,

03:40all the way through, like, his specials.

03:43This man is, uh, is a legend.

03:45Oh.

03:46But I have to do this.

03:47Ba-da-ba-da, ba-da-da-da, da-da-da, da-da-da-da.

03:53These are the takes.

03:54Dun-dun.

03:55And these are the candles.

03:56Dun-dun.

03:57Dun-dun.

03:58Dun-dun-dun.

03:59And this is so.

04:00Now, obviously, Emily and you are here to talk about, uh, Paddington,

04:09the new Paddington movie,

04:10but this isn't the first time you've been in a film together.

04:13No.

04:14No.

04:15The reason we're sounding a bit hesitant is that we were both in Notting Hill,

04:19but we can't quite remember if we were actually in the same scene or not.

04:22He has no reason to not remember, but I have a good reason to not remember,

04:25which is that I was suffering a deeply traumatic episode.

04:29Yes.

04:30When I filmed Notting Hill.

04:31What was that?

04:32Which was that...

04:33Well, do you remember that my character was called The Perfect Girl?

04:36Yes.

04:37Really, that was my name.

04:38I didn't have an actual name.

04:40All I had to do was...

04:41Be perfect.

04:42Be perfect.

04:43And I had developed a terrible rash, um, due to buying a 1960s men's suit

04:49from the Portobello Market about a week before, which had clearly been cleaned

04:53in some kind of radioactive fluid to get rid of the fleas.

04:57And I just came out in hives all over my body and went to the doctor and said,

05:02this is terrible because I have to be the perfect girl in a week.

05:05And he gave me an extreme dose of steroids, which made my face blow up like a sort of chipmunk.

05:11And then the hives kept coming back every time I got scared.

05:16And the props men had to hold sort of industrial sized fans beside me as I sat at the table trying to be perfect.

05:24And it was...

05:25I want to watch it again now.

05:26I want to see Chipmunk Mortimer.

05:28Anyway, so that's why I can't remember whether Hugh was there or not.

05:32Because it was...

05:33I don't know why Hugh came out.

05:34I don't remember the chipmunk, so I think I probably wasn't there.

05:36You weren't there.

05:37I meant to say to you, have you come here today from France?

05:40Do you live in France now?

05:41Yes, sir.

05:42So do you speak French and all of those things?

05:44No, sir.

05:45I'd like to.

05:47I'm getting there.

05:48But not quite there yet.

05:49Not enough.

05:50But they have embraced you because we saw you at the Olympics.

05:52You got to carry the torch, didn't you?

05:54Yeah.

05:55There you are.

05:56You know, they were very kind to me.

05:58And did you invite Snoop Dogg to the Olympics?

06:01No.

06:02But I mean, he...

06:04I mean, it wasn't my event to invite him.

06:06I mean, he's my friend.

06:09We're really good friends.

06:11But you know, it's like he can kind of see in the future.

06:14Because, you know, how would I put this?

06:18You know, he was into exotic aromas way before the rest of the world.

06:26And it's kind of like, you know, the Olympics everywhere.

06:29They just welcome him now.

06:30He's like the mascot for like just joy and having a good time.

06:33Yeah.

06:34Yeah.

06:35Well, that torch, that picture.

06:36Yeah.

06:37Was that a bong or was that a...

06:39It is kind of bong.

06:44Very good.

06:47Listen, we are beginning tonight talking about Billy Crystal's dark role in the haunting miniseries Before.

06:52It's available now on Apple TV+.

06:55And this is kind of a big departure for you.

06:58Is it weird for you to see yourself in something like this?

07:00Yeah, but this is a long way from I'll have what she's having.

07:03You know?

07:04I love being in this world for...

07:06I play a pediatric, psychiatric, brilliant doctor who's dealing with this eight-year-old violent, mute, savant kid.

07:16And it's so great at any point in our careers to try to be in something new and stretch and play something different.

07:24So I just love being in this very dark, mysterious world.

07:28So what can you tell us about this kind of mysterious link between your character and I?

07:32Well, without giving up too much.

07:33This is Halloween season.

07:34So it's sort of like perfect that I think three shows of now will be aired.

07:39He just shows up one day.

07:41I'm mourning the loss of my wife who's brilliantly played by Judith Light, who's an amazing actress.

07:47And she's haunting me and she's around.

07:50And there's scratching at the door and I come to the door and there's this feral young boy who has scratched something into my front door.

07:58And I take him on as a patient and try to solve the trauma that he's going through, these horrific visions that he's had.

08:04Yeah.

08:05And he's a savant in that when he can't express what he wants to say because he doesn't speak much, he draws it.

08:13And so I then take images from the drawings, much like a good psychiatrist would take images from dreams and piece together the trauma.

08:23All right, we've got a clip.

08:24This is your character Eli and Noah having their first session.

08:28This is our first session together.

08:29Yeah.

08:30Noah, you keep coming to my house.

08:36Do you have any idea why?

08:38Do you know this place somehow?

08:41Does it remind you of something?

08:47Well, you know, my wife wrote that book.

08:50She's an artist.

08:53She was an artist just like you.

09:03What's wrong?

09:06Noah, what's wrong?

09:08Noah, what is it?

09:11Noah.

09:12Noah, what's happening?

09:13Noah.

09:14Noah, what's happening?

09:15Whoa.

09:16Whoa.

09:17That face is amazing.

09:18His eyes.

09:19He's...

09:20Yeah.

09:21He was ten years old playing eight.

09:23That's how good he is.

09:25And his name is Jacoby, Jacoby?

09:26Jacoby Jupe.

09:27Jacoby Jupe.

09:28Jacoby Jupe.

09:29We tested over 700 young actors in the United States and Canada.

09:34And we found them here in the UK.

09:35You know the wonderful book, Hamnet?

09:36Oh, yeah, yeah.

09:37He's Hamnet.

09:38In the new film where they just finished shooting it.

09:39Yeah, yeah, yeah.

09:40And he's going to have an amazing career.

09:41Wow.

09:42That's fascinating.

09:43Who's in that?

09:44Somebody who's been on this show.

09:45Paul Mesco.

09:46Yeah.

09:47Paul Mesco.

09:48Yeah, yeah.

09:49He was on last week.

09:50That's why.

09:51I know I've heard something about this film.

09:52He was really good.

09:53And when he was, he was really good.

09:54That's not great.

09:55He wasn't a bad guy.

09:56Yeah.

09:57He didn't hari you.

09:58He was a perfect person.

09:59All right.

10:00So he is.

10:01We tested over 700 young actors.

10:04Wow.

10:06In the United States and Canada.

10:08Wow.

10:09And we found them here in the UK.

10:10I know I've heard something about this film last week.

10:15But you have been out of your comfort zone before.

10:18Have we seen you doing Shakespeare?

10:20That was scary.

10:22That was the scariest thing ever.

10:24Ken Branagh called me out of the blue.

10:27I had only met him once and offered me the part of the gravedigger in Hamlet.

10:33And I said, why?

10:34And he said, I said, usually the gravedigger is a big strapping person.

10:42And I'm not.

10:43And he said, yes, but you have guile.

10:45Witty, I want him to be witty.

10:46So I was so nervous to do Shakespeare.

10:49So I fly here.

10:51We're at Shepard and Studios.

10:52That's a set.

10:53The grave is there.

10:54I get in my wardrobe.

10:56And he says, Billy, get in the grave.

11:00So I get in the grave.

11:02And there's all the skulls.

11:04And I'm really nervous because, you know, I don't want to sound wrong.

11:09And he said, okay, so you're Robert De Niro and I'm Joe Pesci.

11:13Let's rehearse.

11:15And we did the text.

11:16I was De Niro holding up.

11:20This is Yurik's skull.

11:22This is the skull of Yurik.

11:25Do you know this guy?

11:27Do you know this guy?

11:28Have you ever, look at this guy.

11:30Have you ever seen this guy?

11:32And then he picked it up as Pesci.

11:33Well, yeah, I know him well, Horatio.

11:35You know, I know him, but he's a jester.

11:39And then he said, okay, that's out of the way.

11:41Let's shoot.

11:41And then it was fun.

11:42Then it was great.

11:43Now, in the introduction there, Billy, I mentioned Harry Met Sally.

11:47And I know you've been telling this story.

11:48Do you mind telling us about the premiere here in the UK?

11:52Well, it's the 35th anniversary of the film.

11:55Wow.

11:55I was seven when we did it.

11:59So we have a premiere, a royal premiere in Leicester Square.

12:04And Princess Diana was coming.

12:08So we were all taught what to say and not to say.

12:11There she is, a magnificent person.

12:15We waited, and it's Meg and I, and the limo pulls up and she gets out.

12:20And she couldn't have been more gracious and stunning and tall.

12:26And just her presence was astounding.

12:28So we shake hands, and we go upstairs in the first row of the balcony in the theater.

12:34And there are trumpeteers on stage playing whatever it is that they play for her,

12:38which is like every movie I've ever gone to.

12:41They've had trumpeteers there.

12:43And you're in the front row, and Meg is on her left, and I'm on her right.

12:47And she waves everybody, sit down, the lights go down.

12:50And she whispers to me, I'm going to take my shoes off.

12:55So I go, I'm going to take my pants off.

13:03Sometimes I say the wrong thing.

13:05Oh, you're naughty.

13:07You're naughty.

13:08So now the movie's playing beautifully, and we get to the famous fake orgasm scene.

13:15And everybody knew about it, but I don't think she did.

13:18So I could look over the balcony, and everyone in the orchestra just turns around to look at her.

13:26I'm sitting next to, and she starts laughing.

13:32This incredibly guttural sound that was like...

13:37I knew over and over.

13:43Couldn't catch her breath.

13:44And it was, like, stunning.

13:46And I thought, here's this unbelievable person, but if it was a date, I don't think I'd see her again.

13:54Just because the laugh would just...

13:56I can't...

13:57She's beautiful, she's a princess, guys, but the laugh.

14:00It was a memorable, memorable female film.

14:06Well, you see, Billy Dean Before, it's streaming now on Apple TV+, with new episodes dropping on Fridays.

14:13I'm here to tell you.

14:14There you go.

14:14Right.

14:16APPLAUSE

14:17Excitement unleashed.

14:21Let the bells ring out.

14:22It is time for a new Paddington film.

14:25Yes, everyone loves it.

14:25The third instalment, Paddington in Peru.

14:29It's out in cinemas from next Friday.

14:32So, Mr and Mrs Brown, tell us about Paddington in Peru.

14:35Who's doing the heavy lifting?

14:37Oh, God.

14:38Well, it's high time that the Browns went on a vacation.

14:43Paddington now has his British passport.

14:45And I have to say, it was rather sweet.

14:47The producers wrote to the Home Office and said,

14:49could we have permission to use a facsimile British passport?

14:52And they actually sent a real passport.

14:54And, um...

14:55I'm going to say, people are waiting for a passport.

14:57But I don't know, that's why you're there.

14:59Yeah, the bear's getting one.

15:03Sorry.

15:03They did apply back ten years ago.

15:05But, and it's rather sweet.

15:06In the passport, it says, distinguishing features, bear.

15:11How old is Paddington?

15:13Because, I mean, I remember...

15:15I'm sorry, I'm 51.

15:16Don't ruin it for people, Pharrell.

15:17And I remember...

15:19How old is he?

15:20I don't...

15:20Well, you see, he's as old as you think he is, I think.

15:24I mean, he actually was created in...

15:25In the 50s.

15:26In the 50s, 58?

15:27Yeah, 50s.

15:28Yeah, so he deserves it.

15:29Michael Bond found a Paddington, found a bear in a shop window

15:33and brought it home for Christmas and then started writing about it.

15:35So has he had any work done?

15:39Well, he is.

15:39He's looking younger in this film than he did in the last.

15:42Well, he deserves a passport at this point.

15:44Yes.

15:45No, absolutely.

15:46Yes.

15:46So anyway, so the Browns decide to go on a vacation.

15:49They can now all go together abroad and where better to go

15:52than to go and visit Aunt Lucy who, the Reverend Mother,

15:55has written a letter to Paddington to say she's not really,

15:57she's acting peculiarly, so we really think you should come and visit.

16:00That's almost, that's almost like you've seamlessly linked to our clip

16:04because Paddington's read the letter

16:06and this is the Browns discussing their trip.

16:09Oh, Paddington, she must really be missing you.

16:19I can't bear to think of her feeling lonely

16:22after all she's done for me.

16:24What can we do?

16:25There's not much we can do.

16:27It's not as if we can drop everything and fly to Peru.

16:34Now, I know that look, Mary.

16:36Look, it's the perfect idea.

16:37Here, Aunt Lucy's missing Paddington.

16:40He's just got his passport.

16:42This family needs to spend more time together.

16:44Does it?

16:46Yes, let's do it.

16:48A trip to Peru.

16:49A family holiday in Peru.

16:51Peru, just like that?

16:52Yes.

16:53Land of altitude sickness and uncharted jungles.

16:56Plus, three of the world's most dangerous roads,

16:59well, at least on a Harley.

17:02Precisely.

17:03From a risk assessment point of view,

17:05Peru is...

17:06Embrace the risk, Henry.

17:15Exactly where we should be going.

17:17Yes.

17:18Yes, it is.

17:19Oh, God.

17:20This is so nice.

17:21Peru.

17:22Oh, she's so adorable.

17:25APPLAUSE

17:26As a viewer, as a viewer, it's as if you've always been Mrs. Brown,

17:33but what was it like kind of being the new kid on set?

17:35Well, it was really nice being married to Hugh and I spookily felt like we had been for about 30 years.

17:41It was quite easy in that respect.

17:44But it was nerve-wracking because it was, you know, stepping into this incredible thing and I was worried I would feel imposter-y.

17:55And I knew I couldn't really, I couldn't hope to emulate the most amazing performance that Sally gave in the first two films and that was so perfect.

18:04And all I could really do was just try to be my own version of Mrs. Brown and hope that was halfway as good.

18:10But despite being nervous, it really is, I know everyone always says this, but it really is the kindest, sweetest, loveliest set and presided over by Rosie Ellison,

18:23who's produced all three of the films and just an incredibly thoughtful and caring vibe.

18:30And I do think, I do, I know it's soppy to say it, but there is something about the spirit of Paddington that makes everything OK.

18:37And it's true. And also I had done a film with Ben Whishaw where we played brother and sister and Mary Poppins Returns and I really love Ben.

18:48Everybody also loves Ben, like Paddington, everybody who knows Ben loves Ben.

18:52So I'm not alone in feeling very sort of close to him and adoring of him.

18:57And there was something about, if I were to imagine his voice saying Paddington's words while I was talking to Paddington,

19:04and it kind of made everything OK too. So there was a lot of reason.

19:08And the other, I'm being very long-winded in my reply, but the other thing that made me feel OK was, was that this, these Browns,

19:16grown-up Browns, are dealing with their children who are sort of getting quite irritated with them,

19:21and teenagers who are about to flee the nest or whatever.

19:24And I have two quite grown-up children who are often quite irritated with me, and so I related.

19:32But you all flee the nest because you go to Peru. So did you, I mean, presumably you were in Peru.

19:38Yes, and the bear is real. And, um, so put it this way, seven weeks were filmed in, in, uh, Colombia and Peru.

19:49So all the river sequences and all the junglers, there's nothing sort of fake about that, it's all there.

19:53But with the cleverness of technology, some of us didn't travel that far from Boreham Wood.

19:57So, so you didn't go to Peru, uh, but you, uh, you did, uh, invest in some luxury.

20:06You sent us an image from your set. This is the great Jim Broadbent.

20:10Uh, what is going on?

20:11It was simply that I got a bit of a bad back, and for some reason I find the canvas director chairs a bit uncomfortable,

20:17and there's a lot of hanging around on a film set.

20:19So I ordered, uh, a, uh, sun lounger and I rented it out.

20:23Um, I charged, I charged five pounds an hour and he still owes me a tenner.

20:27It was Emily, you had a go in it.

20:30Yes.

20:31And I, there's some, you, I adore you. I love that you printed out a sign.

20:35Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Available for hire, fly tent one, five pounds an hour, yeah.

20:39Cash only.

20:40Cash only.

20:43Was it worth it, Emily?

20:44Yes, it was heaven.

20:46It looks lovely.

20:47And that's Antonio Banderas.

20:49Yes, yeah.

20:50Hovering over the chair.

20:51Who's in it about Olivia Colman did it too?

20:53Yes.

20:54And yeah, a very happy mob.

20:55Um, now, weirdly, animated movies have been very important to the whole sofa,

21:00because, uh, we mustn't forget Emily Mortimer's fine work in the sequel to Cars, uh, Cars 2.

21:07Um, who do you play?

21:10Holly Shiftwell, otherwise known as Holly Shitwell for my, for my friends and family.

21:17That sounds like a Bond girl, doesn't it?

21:19Holly Shiftwell.

21:19She was, she was, she was kind of, she was a spy.

21:22But they based this on you, this car?

21:24Well, kind of, yeah, they film you when you're, as you're, as you're doing the voice, so you do the voice kind of first and, and they film you so they get your, I think, they get your mannerisms in your way and, and, and then you come back in sometimes and,

21:38and, you know, you keep working on it till they, till they've got it wrong.

21:41So we've got a, a picture of you, Hugh, doing some voice work.

21:44Oh, yeah, very subtle, yeah, yeah.

21:47Did you know that picture was being taken?

21:48I wonder.

21:51That's you voicing, who are you voicing?

21:53I think it's, it's Merlin.

21:55Oh, yes, Merlin, the magic train.

21:56The magic train who thinks he's invisible, or can be invisible.

22:00Okay.

22:00Yeah.

22:01And actually, based on, I think, a true story, in the Second World War, they were trying to create a train that could be invisible to bombers.

22:07And so when, when this, you know, this episode came out, there was a lot of discussion amongst the, you know, the cognoscenti about, you know, trains from the past and so on.

22:16So I, you know, it's not just a little children's story, it's a very serious matter.

22:21But you say Thomas Tank Engine fans, they're like, they are, they're, they're, well, there's Whovians, Whovians are here, just Doctor Who fans, it's an English show.

22:30And I think Thomas Tank Engine are here.

22:33I mean, they're really serious, very serious.

22:35Okay.

22:36Yeah, yeah.

22:36I know their stuff.

22:37Here's the thing, we must mention Monsters, Inc. to you, Billy.

22:41Mike Wasowski.

22:43There he is.

22:44Now, so, did, I know, so lovely.

22:48So did they, did they draw that after hearing your voice, or did they bring you him and say, would you put a voice on this?

22:57They brought me, um, a little model of him, and then that's all I knew was that.

23:05And then you, you record first and they animate to that.

23:09And it takes about two and a half, three years for that first one.

23:12And what's interesting is, of course, it came out in 2001.

23:15Yes.

23:15So the kids who loved that film are not kids anymore.

23:19No, but their kids are kids.

23:20And their kids have kids.

23:22And Mike keeps being popular.

23:25Uh, I, I'm requested to sign things more about Mike than anything else that I've done.

23:32Wow.

23:32They keep pushing, they love him.

23:34And I, he's one of my favourite characters that I've ever done, because he's such an unlikely hero.

23:39And he's a little guy, and he's always naked.

23:44And he has nothing.

23:47To be happy about.

23:49Yeah.

23:49But his personality, and he's, and I just, I adore playing him.

23:55He's a joy to play.

23:57Talking about people loving Montez Inc., you, Bonneville, I mean, you're a proper fan.

24:01Like, not making it up fan.

24:03Yeah, I, yes, this is a bit, a bit of a, um, admission here.

24:06Mike's New Car, which was the, uh, DVD extra.

24:10It's a short little five-minute thing.

24:11Remember DVDs?

24:12Um, and it's just one of the most joyous little shorts ever.

24:17And it, when, when Mike gets more and more exasperated with Sully playing with all the toys and knobs in his proud new car, it's just genius.

24:24And I, I love it.

24:24Well, that's what, the Pixar people were astounding.

24:27You know, my relationship with him, yeah, that's the scene from Mike's New Car.

24:31Um, I'm the dope who turned down Toy Story.

24:35Uh-huh.

24:35Wow.

24:36Um, when it first came to me, it was, it wasn't about what the character,

24:42or anything like that.

24:43It was a business thing that all the agents and managers said,

24:46I don't think you should do it.

24:48It's not fair, you know, and they want you to write and so,

24:51and you're not getting paid, really, and so on, so let's, let's pass.

24:55I went, oh, really?

24:56And I listened, okay?

24:58And then it comes out and it's genius.

25:00And it's like, you know, Tim Allen is perfect in that character and so on and so forth.

25:05Two years later, I'm in my office and, um, the phone rings and it's John Lasseter who created the whole world.

25:12He says, hey, Billy, it's John.

25:13I said, hi, wherever it is, yes.

25:16He said, well, I have something to show you.

25:18I said, all right, let's, when do you want to meet?

25:20He says, now I'm in the lobby of your building.

25:21Can I come up?

25:22He was already there and he had this little box.

25:25They took it out and there was this statue of Mike.

25:27And he explained the story and he said, I don't know if you know this, but we did a screen test of you as Buzz Lightyear.

25:37I said, how did you do this?

25:39He said, well, we took a scene from When Harry Met Sally and we animated Buzz, um, to one of these scenes where I'm yelling at, at, uh, Bruno Kirby and Carrie Fisher.

25:48You're, they're moving in.

25:50It's this stupid wagon wheel coffee table scene, right?

25:53And there's Buzz, but it's, it's the scene from Harry Met Sally, but it's Buzz Lightyear going, all right, right now, everyone's really happy, but, you know, you're going to go 15 rounds over.

26:04Who's going to get this wagon wheel coffee table?

26:06Then the shot cuts wide and I'm underneath a wagon wheel coffee table.

26:10This stupid wagon wheel coffee table.

26:12And I walk off like Buzz and they say, I thought you were, you liked it.

26:16I was being nice.

26:17Then the face mask just clapped down.

26:19And, you know, it was like astounding and I went, if I had seen that, I, I would have done it.

26:24Me neither.

26:24Yeah.

26:25Wow.

26:25Yeah.

26:28By the way, just a reminder, Paddington 3, Paddington, Peru, you can see that in cinemas from next Friday.

26:35But we stay with animation, uh, because Pharrell Williams brings us piece by piece.

26:40It's also in cinemas from next Friday.

26:43Please.

26:44Yeah.

26:45All of you, please, please.

26:48Don't beg, Pharrell, don't beg.

26:49It's, it is extraordinary.

26:52It's your life story, but told through a Lego animation.

26:56And it's directed by a very famous documentary maker, Morgan Neville.

27:00And when you watch it, so it is all Lego, but it is a, it's a documentary.

27:05So there's talking heads.

27:06There's like Justin Timberlake in it, Missy Elliott.

27:09Yes.

27:09Kendrick Lamar.

27:10Snoop, Gwynn.

27:11Everybody.

27:12But they're all Lego.

27:13So like, here's Justin Timberlake.

27:15There he is.

27:16I mean, it looks so like Snoop Dogg's in it.

27:18Here's Snoop Dogg from Queen Stefani.

27:21There she is.

27:21And so when they were being filmed, did they know I'm going to end up being a bit of Lego?

27:26No.

27:26And that's a good question.

27:27And that's because, you know, we told them it would be an animated doc.

27:32But if we would have told them it was going to be Lego, you know, they would have been editing

27:37the stories and telling stories that they felt like would fit.

27:40So I got to do it like this because, you know, it's going to be that.

27:42And we were like, no, we need you to just be you.

27:46So we just didn't tell anybody that it was Lego specifically.

27:49Just animated doc.

27:51OK, and we've got a clip.

27:52This is the young Pharrell Williams exploring his love of Stevie Wonder vinyl.

27:57Oh, yes.

27:58And I love music.

28:00Like, everybody loves music, but I'm realizing I had a different kind of relationship with

28:04it.

28:04Like, it was literally was mesmerizing to me.

28:12I didn't even know that I was mesmerized.

28:14I just thought that's what all black kids did.

28:16I thought we all just stared into the speaker like, whoa.

28:29I was seeing colors.

28:31It's called synesthesia.

28:32It's not something that you see with your physical eyes.

28:36It's something that you see in your mind's eye.

28:40Find your best to bring the water to your eyes.

28:44Thinking it might stop her from whooping her behind.

28:49Wow.

28:50Thank you, guys.

28:56I'm fascinated by that thing you mentioned there.

28:59Is it synesthesia?

29:00Synesthesia.

29:01Synesthesia.

29:02So this is the way you respond to senses.

29:07Your senses work slightly differently.

29:10Precisely.

29:10So the most popular one is, like, sound to color.

29:16But there's all types of synesthetes out there in the world.

29:18So basically what synesthesia is, is like when we're all born as, like, newborns, all of our nerve endings for the senses are, they're basically, they're together.

29:31And then when you turn one, they prune.

29:34And sometimes they don't prune all the way.

29:36So it's kind of like a defect where two of the nerve endings will stay together.

29:44So there's like, for me, it was like sight and sound.

29:48So basically each nerve ending would send ghost images to different parts of your brain.

29:56So when I'm hearing sound, I'm also seeing color.

29:59But look, this is not some Albert Einstein savant thing, okay?

30:03This is something that happens with a lot of artists and especially a lot of musicians.

30:08It happens all the time.

30:10Yeah.

30:10But I would just like to say, you know, for all the people out there that may have ADD or ADHD, you know, you should just know this and everybody else should know this.

30:21You know, you will be hard pressed to find a Fortune 500 CEO that doesn't have ADD or ADHD.

30:26How else do you think that they can keep up with 10 and 12 windows open?

30:33Right?

30:34So there's something to be said for people who are born different.

30:38I think that that which makes you different is what makes you special.

30:41And that's what this film is about.

30:42Yeah.

30:43Great.

30:43Well said that, man.

30:47That's the reason why we decided to do it in Lego, though, by the way.

30:51Because when I was a little boy, you know, my earliest childhood fondest memories of toys were with Lego sets.

30:59And we have four children.

31:01And three of them are seven years old.

31:04And one...

31:05They're triplets, by the way.

31:06That's what I...

31:07And it's triple the hard work.

31:09People trying to do the math.

31:10I'm like, how the fuck an hour?

31:12Yes.

31:12Triple the work.

31:14And then our oldest, 16, is 16.

31:18And, you know, since they were young, we would always get them Lego sets.

31:21So I wanted them to understand and hear and understand, again, even more, dad's story as I told it the minute that it was released.

31:29And, you know, when you wake up one day and you're black and tan in a Lego land, like, you know, you realize that, like, anything is possible.

31:41And I think for a lot of people who look like me, they realize that anything is possible.

31:46And essentially to have yourself objectified or Lego-fied, if you will, it just makes your story way more universal for everyone to relate to.

31:58Yeah.

31:58You know, like, I came from a marginalized community when I was much younger.

32:02And seeing that in a documentary can sometimes come off a bit heavy.

32:08But when it's been Lego-fied, it's like, oh, I get it.

32:12He's from the housing projects, a federal subsidy.

32:14Okay, cool.

32:15No problem.

32:16I'm so honored.

32:18Listen, Graham, thank you for having me on your show.

32:20I know we're not ending it right now.

32:21But, I mean, like, listen, I am, I'm living the dream right now.

32:24First of all, we're all in animation.

32:26Um, you have Billy Crystal on the couch, bro.

32:34There he is.

32:34And this is, is this my third time here?

32:36I think it's your third time.

32:37I think it's your third time.

32:38I'm growing old enough to not remember.

32:42It could be the third.

32:43Let's say third.

32:44I think it's the tertiary.

32:46Yeah.

32:46Yeah, I'm so honored to be here.

32:49I'm so sorry.

32:49Well, you want to say something?

32:50Well, I've just remembered that we are in another animated film together called Howl's Moving Castle,

32:55but we don't have to talk about that.

32:56Oh, yes.

32:57But I just, as we're talking about all these animated films.

32:59Oh, there you go.

33:00We're in a film called Howl's Moving Castle,

33:02and I'm the voice of the young Sophie, and you were the fire.

33:05I'm Calcifer.

33:06Calcifer the fire.

33:07He played a fire.

33:08Yes.

33:09Brilliantly.

33:10Oh, well.

33:11It's, we, we never meet.

33:12You never meet anybody.

33:13How is it?

33:15What's it called again?

33:16Howl's Moving Castle.

33:17Howl's Moving Castle.

33:18And you came into my dressing room before we had never met,

33:21and he brought me 30 things to sign.

33:25All of Howl's Moving Castle.

33:31Just a reminder, everybody, you can see Pharrell's documentary Piece by Piece

33:34in cinemas from next Friday.

33:36OK.

33:39It's time for music.

33:42He has a Mercury Prize, UK number one album,

33:45and his song Cold Little Heart was the theme song for the hit TV show Big Little Lies.

33:51Here performing The Rest of Me from his fourth album, Small Changes,

33:55please welcome Michael Kiwanuka.

33:57Yeah.

34:30You found me now, I can see my feet won't touch the ground, finding through the pain, no longer remain, in that darker place, lead me to the light, you don't see the mind, standing in the rain, so I give you the hardest time, you're resolute to stay, help me realize, there's nothing left again.

35:00Lord, I need your loving, God knows I gotta be, leaving the rest of me behind, behind us here.

35:14Your heart right next to me, leaving the rest of me behind, behind us here.

35:24I can't stand the sound of silence.

35:42It's so hard for me, I needed you around, calling out your name, I feel like I could drown, when I need your loving me.

35:55God knows I gotta be, leaving the rest of me behind, behind us here.

36:02Your heart right next to me, leaving the rest of me behind, behind us here.

36:14God knows I gotta be, bringing the best of me this time, this time here.

36:25God knows I gotta be, bringing the best of me behind, behind us here.

36:41God knows I gotta be, gonna be, giving the best of me behind, behind us here.

36:57In the middle of long in the middle of pain

37:08You get

37:11Get

37:13In the middle

37:27Thank you so much

37:49And I don't know who you know you assume you have you met from no, no, no, this is the first time

37:55Okay, I'm obviously a huge fan. So it's an honor to meet you. Thank you there the couch

38:01Yeah, yeah

38:02What beautiful lyrics and melody and chords Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir

38:07And it was so colorful that music by the way, it was like pink and like blue and

38:14Yeah, yeah, yeah those chords are like whoa they were like hit fuchsias

38:18That was such a beautiful performance Michael really gorgeous that song is off the album small changes

38:26That's out on the 22nd of November. That's right. Yeah, and is that song kind of indicative of what the whole albums like that?

38:32Kind of slightly stripped back. Yeah. Yes

38:34So the albums really just just feel like that really more stripped back and then it was really

38:40more of a time for me to you know

38:44Be more confident in in my voice and

38:47Finding my own sound and a lot of my sounds come from a lot of the classic music, but that's sort of

38:53Been my compass. So now I'm ready to sort of find me from from learning from the best, you know, yeah

39:00including for

39:02It's quite a musical couch because you may not know this Billy Crystal your father and your uncle were both kind of very involved in music

39:10Weren't they? Yes, my uncle is one of the great record producers of all time

39:15Everything from

39:17Strange fruit

39:18Whoa, no way to rock amazing to rock around the clock. Yeah

39:22Bill Haley and the commons his name was milt Gabler and he created the first independent

39:26Jazz label of its kind in the United States called the Commodore jazz label

39:31and

39:32My father was an amazing man

39:34and

39:36There's a theater that's dedicated to him on the campus of New York University, which I just did a

39:43retrospective in

39:44It was a catering hall. It did weddings and bar mitzvahs big, you know that yeah

39:50And on the weekends he rented it out and produced these great jazz concerts with all of the great musicians of the day

39:55And he was he was one of the first to integrate bands

40:00to play african-american

40:02musicians with white and and and put them all together and they called him

40:07Americans will know more the branch Ricky of jazz branch Ricky was the executive who signed Jackie Robinson

40:14To major league baseball contract and broke the color barrier

40:17So when there were no black players, so they called him the branch Ricky of jazz and that theater is now named for him

40:23And NYU and it's amazing pretty incredible music history right there who knew yeah, that's extraordinary and very quickly Michael

40:31We saw you at Glastonbury. Are you touring this album? Yeah, yeah, I'll be touring and make all next year

40:38You know, I've got my own tour

40:40February March in the UK and Europe and festivals in the summer and yeah, I noticed venues getting bigger again a little bit bigger

40:48Yeah, yeah, she's really cool

40:51good eyes

40:55Probably the biggest you know around Europe definitely I've played and it's gonna be interesting because obviously, you know

41:02I love intimacy in music, so I'm hoping to be able to bring that feeling even in the bigger places

41:08But we'll find out what you all come by and tickets

41:11I got a quick question. Oh, yeah. Yeah, go sure now. What's your ethnicity? Yeah, I'm Ugandan

41:28People from your your DNA's native country. Do they know of you and yeah, I think they begin they do and

41:34I mean, I still have a lot of family there and so but I'm still yet to play and perform in in Uganda

41:41Oh, you gotta do it. Yeah, that's the plan

41:42You haven't? Oh, wow. That's the plan. Yeah, it's the plan. It's actually at Glastonbury. What's it with you? Yeah, Ugandan on your written on

41:49Yeah, so um, the what I'm wearing there is it's like a modernized version, but it's called a kanzu

41:55Which is like what you would wear, you know, like formal events and so the whole thing for me there was like we had a daytime slot

42:02We played the pyramid stage which is like the main stage and I never played a stage that big or an audience that big

42:10So I thought it'd be good to you know, make a statement and then it's funny enough similarly to the album

42:16As years go on you find more comfortability in your own skin in your own body and who you are

42:23And you know back in the day being into guitar and being into indie bands as well as like well

42:28Being into all music but really loving the guitar really love it

42:31I used to always struggle with that because it would be like more, you know

42:34No black people were playing in indie rock bands and Glastonbury was very very indie rock heavy

42:39Yeah

42:40So, you know, you would never really see Ugandan playing the pyramid stage and so I thought it'd be cool

42:45Now I'm a bit older and a bit less, you know, wanting to fit in

42:48It would be good to sort of subvert that and wear like the um, yeah, traditional Ugandan dress

42:53So the whole band wore kanzu but we modernised and put these two words on it called feeling with feeling and meaning

42:59So anything we do even if the gig's terrible as long as we do it with feeling the meaning then we'll be all right

43:04We've said that the whole time so I put it on the um, the kanzus and so they say feeling and meaning

43:09And so we've got to play the pyramid stage and sort of celebrate, you know that

43:14So cool

43:16Young gifted and black

43:25And england never hesitates to support young gifted and black england never does

43:31I I love this country has always been good to us

43:35And and your life and what it is that you're doing and your experience at glastonbury is just indicative of what

43:42England is to to black talent and black genius. It's true. I love this place, man

43:47Thank you

43:50Michael, thank you so much for that beautiful performance. I'm so glad your parents are here to see it

43:56Good luck with the album and the tour. Michael Kiwanuka everybody

44:00Beautiful

44:03We're nearly out of here, but we're going to go just time for a quick visit to the big red chair who do we have?

44:07Hello, hi. Hi, what's your name? lindsay lindsay lovely. Where are you from lindsay?

44:12California lovely and are you here on holiday? Do you live here now?

44:15I'm a college professor here teaching in the study abroad program. Oh, wow. What are you teaching communication studies?

44:20Okay, what was your name? I'm forgotten already lindsay lindsay, okay?

44:25All right lindsay off you go with your story

44:29So this took place in a college classroom was about seven years ago

44:32Uh, I was 35 weeks pregnant and I had you know was lecturing dropped the dry erase marker turned my back to the class

44:42Bent down and as I bent down I let out the loudest fart

44:49And I got scared

44:52And it wasn't you know the bend and snap that we know from legally blonde. It was more of a

44:56I got a bit scared and I tightened up the cheeks and

45:04Uh, I just stood there with my back turned to the class and slowly turned around and said you know what?

45:09I think I think that's it for today

45:12We're only about 20 minutes in so honestly

45:15I think it'd be the best interest for me to to walk on and not let gravity take its course this time

45:19Uh, lindsay, thank you very much

45:25There she goes

45:29Okay, that really is all we've got time for

45:30If you'd like to go in that red show yourself and tell you a story

45:33You can just contact us via website after this very address

45:36Uh, please say thank you to all of my guests tonight

45:39Michael Kiwanuka

45:41Murrell Williams

45:45Hugh Barnabill

45:47Emily Mortimer

45:50And Mr. Billy Crystal

45:54Join me next week with music from Celeste and A Feast of Stars

45:57Jarell Jerome, Lucy Liu, Dwayne Johnson, Kate Winslet and Jennifer Lopez

46:02I'll see you then goodnight already bye bye

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