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00:00Oh

00:30Hello

00:32Hello everybody

00:34Good evening

00:36You are so welcome to the show

00:38Yes, Autumn is here and like a misty September morning

00:40I'm back

00:42Cool grey and just a little bit damp

00:44Anyway, we've got a great line up for our first show of the season

00:46Look over there singing for us later

00:48It's the fabulous Ray

00:52Love Ray

00:54She'll be performing her new single

00:56Where is my husband

00:58Where are my guests

01:00Let's get them on

01:02First off, we love them as the prime solving

01:04Dicker in Grantchester and we love to hate

01:06him as Tommy Lee Royce in Happy Valley

01:08Now he brings us the epic succession drama

01:10House of Guinness

01:12It's our good friend James Norton

01:18There he is

01:20Really nice to see you

01:22There he is, James Norton

01:24This Oscar winning actor

01:26Swaggered into our screens

01:28In Days of Confused

01:30Won our hearts in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days

01:32And was out of this world

01:34In Interstellar

01:36His latest book, Poems and Prayers

01:38Is already a Sunday Times bestseller

01:40While he returns to our screens

01:42In a heroic true story

01:44Here is a warm welcome back

01:46To Matthew McConaughey

01:50Here he comes

01:52Hello son, it's really good to see you

01:54There you go

01:56Yes, that's Matthew McConaughey

01:58Yes

02:00And we've got two stars

02:02From the new sports drama

02:04The Smashing Machine

02:06She made her mark in The Devil Wears Prada

02:08Thrilled us in A Quiet Place

02:10And was Oscar nominated for a performance

02:12In the global hit Oppenheimer

02:14In Blunt everybody

02:16Oh, so shiny

02:18So shimmery

02:20So famous

02:22So nice to see you

02:24Thank you

02:26And as The Rock

02:28He conquered the wrestling world

02:30Before turning action movie star

02:32With roles in it's like Jumanji

02:34Moana and the Fast and Furious franchise

02:36Now earning rave reviews for his performance

02:38As champion wrestler Mark Kerr

02:40In The Smashing Machine

02:42It's the mighty Dwayne Johnson

02:44CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

02:46Hey, welcome along, what a couch

03:00Sit down, sit down, sit down

03:02Lovely

03:04Welcome along, thank you very much for being here

03:06Lovely to see you all

03:07Cheers

03:09For a show back

03:10Cheers

03:11Cheers

03:12OK

03:13Yeah

03:14If you're wondering

03:15Tequila

03:18Now some of you know it

03:19James

03:20I've got to ask

03:21Are you alright

03:22Because you injured yourself

03:23Are you alright

03:24Because you don't know anyone

03:25Well

03:28I feel like I know you

03:29I know you

03:30Yeah

03:31And you've met the other backstage

03:32I have

03:33We had a lovely time

03:34We've discussed tequila

03:35Yeah

03:36Just tequila shortly

03:37Just tequila shortly

03:38I did get into it

03:39Am I alright?

03:40No, I am fine

03:41This is the thing that's on now

03:42King and Conqueror, which is on BBC One on Sunday nights

03:44Yes

03:45I fell off a horse

03:46That's cool, look at that

03:47Yeah, I fell off a horse and I broke my collarbone

03:49Now in Iceland

03:50Now in Iceland

03:51Now I was thinking

03:52Oh, that must be terrible to fall off a horse

03:53Quite a distance

03:54And then I saw a picture of you with the horse

03:56And you are taller than

03:57Yeah

03:58That's right

03:59So Iceland

04:00Surely a pony

04:02It is a pony

04:03OK

04:04Yeah, yeah, so Iceland have a protective order on their horses

04:06You cannot import a horse

04:07Because they have this kind of gene pool

04:08And it doesn't

04:09It can't be polluted

04:10And so we were having committed to shoot the whole thing in Iceland

04:13And I was a producer on the show as well

04:14So we were tasked with finding the biggest Icelandic ponies we could find

04:18And they were

04:19That was the biggest we could find

04:20Even though it was that small

04:22I still broke my collarbone from falling from that great height

04:25So yeah

04:26When did it happen?

04:27It happened at the very beginning of all the stunt sequences

04:30That's fun

04:31Yeah

04:32Stunts though

04:33If you have one of those scenes where you might get injured

04:35It's a good thing to schedule those at the end of the show

04:37Yeah

04:38End of the show

04:39End of the show

04:40Yeah, it was rehearsal

04:41Yeah

04:42Yeah, well

04:43Producers will do that

04:44They'll put the big stunt

04:46Wait, but he's producing

04:47It was my show

04:48He is the producer

04:49I learnt a lot

04:50I learnt a lot

04:53But also

04:54Looking at that

04:55Dwayne

04:56Never do an historical epic in Iceland

04:58Because that pony would not survive

05:00No

05:01By the way

05:02Does a regular horse make a noise when you get on it?

05:05Like does it go

05:06Does it go

05:07Oh

05:08Me?

05:09Yeah

05:10Why?

05:11Because there's a lot of muscle mass there

05:12I don't

05:13I mean that

05:14A horse would be going

05:15Oh Jesus

05:16Look at this

05:17It groans

05:18Many things groan when I get on it

05:19Yes

05:20Yes

05:21I'm writing that down

05:22I'm writing that down

05:23Thank you

05:24All right

05:25Let's get on with our first film tonight

05:26Dwayne and Emily are together in The Smashing Machine

05:27It's in cinemas from the 3rd of October

05:28And here's just a little taste of what to expect

05:42Hey Don

05:44Can you take this picture for us?

05:45Yeah

05:46What are you thinking at the beginning of the fight?

05:48It's simple

05:49Am I going to hurt him before he hurts me?

05:52Yes

05:53Yes

05:54There were

05:55I

05:57I will show you

05:59This Grand Prix to crown the greatest fighter in the world

06:08He has come back from the break

06:10Let's see if he can pull out a victory over Mark Coleman

06:15Have you spoken to either about fighting such a good friend for a life changing amount of money?

06:19Good morning

06:21I just need you to let me in

06:24Always about you

06:26Only about fucking you

06:27Everything is about you

06:32Let's fucking go

06:40Extra man

06:41I love you

06:47So good

06:48Thank you man

06:49Thank you

06:50Thank you

06:51Thank you

06:52Thank you brother

06:53It is phenomenal

06:54It's a true story

06:55Mark Kerr

06:56He was sort of the first star to come out of the MMA UFC world

07:00He was yeah

07:01For a lot of you who don't know him

07:02And a lot of people don't know him

07:03Mark Kerr was the first

07:05He was one of the pioneers of

07:07There he is right there

07:08Of MMA

07:09And he was at one time

07:10He was the greatest fighter on the planet

07:13Heavyweight fighter

07:14And at that time there were no rules

07:15No regulations

07:17And MMA was different

07:19And there was no infrastructure around it

07:21There was no financial planning

07:23There was just fighters

07:25And Mark fought his way to the top

07:29And he struggled

07:31And he struggled like a lot of fighters do

07:33Unfortunately though he struggled under pressure

07:35And the pressure in many ways got to him

07:37There was addiction involved

07:38And he wound up overdosing twice

07:39And he was lucky to be alive

07:41But he's here today

07:42And not here in the audience

07:43But he is alive

07:45Ladies and gentlemen

07:46Mark Kerr

07:48But he is with us today

07:49And he had this unbelievable life

07:51And he had this volcanic relationship

07:54With his girlfriend

07:55Who eventually became his wife

07:56And they have a beautiful son named Bryce

07:58So it was really the role of a lifetime

08:02So Emily tell us about Dawn

08:04I mean she's an extraordinary person

08:06You know

08:07And I found her

08:09When I spoke to her

08:10Sort of simultaneously heartbreaking

08:11And fierce

08:13And I think it is a very complex relationship

08:18To be in when you're

08:20With a very dedicated athlete

08:23Whose life is on the line constantly

08:25Through his own addiction

08:26Through actually being in the ring

08:28And they did have this rather hazardous relationship

08:32But I think the movie is less about

08:34You know it's set to the backdrop of this 90s machismo

08:38But it's so about vulnerability

08:39And the brokenness

08:40And like how you never really know

08:41What's going on in someone's life

08:43You know

08:44Yeah

08:45And the image of invincibility

08:46Is not really the truth

08:47You know

08:48And we've got to talk about

08:49The Venice Film Festival

08:50Because you took actual Mark Kerr with you

08:52Yeah

08:53So I mean obviously emotional to watch it

08:55But to watch it with him

08:56There he is

08:57To watch it with him

08:58Must have

08:59That was the first time he'd seen it right

09:00It was the first time he'd seen it with an audience

09:02So we get to the Venice Film Festival

09:04Which we're there for competition

09:05And we're sitting there

09:06And watching it

09:07I sat next to Mark

09:08Mark's a big guy

09:09And I could feel him

09:11And he's shaking

09:12He's shaking the entire movie

09:14Especially the fight scenes

09:15With him and his girlfriend

09:16Who eventually became his wife Dawn

09:18He's shaking

09:19Every once in a while

09:20I reach over and grab his knee

09:21And towards the end of the movie

09:23Where we have the big scene

09:25Yeah

09:26With Emily and I

09:27Don't ruin it

09:28Don't over pitch

09:29Keep going

09:30I won't

09:31I won't

09:32I won't

09:33I won't

09:34So anyway

09:35You'll never guess what happened

09:36And then

09:38He is really shaking

09:40And crying

09:41And then I look over

09:42And Benny Safdie's holding his hand

09:44And

09:45You know in Venice Film Festival

09:46It's very ceremonial

09:47Right

09:48As we know

09:49And it means a lot

09:50Films mean a lot

09:51To people in Venice

09:52And at the Venice Film Festival

09:54And before the credits came up

09:56The audience erupts

09:59And they give us a 15 and a half minute standing ovation

10:03And Mark Kerr

10:05Is sobbing

10:07Which makes us all cry

10:08Yeah

10:09Benny as well

10:10And it was just beautiful

10:11We've got a little bit of footage of the ovation

10:14And I say

10:15It goes

10:16I mean it's incredible

10:17Look at me

10:18By the way

10:19Yes

10:20Let's wait till this is over

10:21So I can embarrass you

10:22Because this is

10:23I know

10:24No look at your face

10:25Beside yourself

10:26Yes

10:27And Mark Kerr's beside me

10:28That's Mark

10:29So there I am

10:30Right

10:31I'm

10:32Very emotional

10:33House lights come on

10:34Before they're expected

10:35I'm crying

10:36And I'm trying to wipe my tears away

10:38To try and still stay cool

10:39And this one is like

10:41Can you believe

10:42That we did that thing

10:43Whatever the fucking joke was

10:44That she said

10:45No I didn't

10:46You can see

10:47You can see in the clip

10:48That he's crying

10:49And I went

10:50Do you remember on Jungle Cruise

10:51He never cried

10:52No

10:53I'm in a moment

10:54I'm in a moment

10:55I'm in a moment

10:56It's like the British thing

10:58No I think it's the British thing

10:59No I think it's the British thing

11:00Like where

11:01It's like

11:02It's a long time for people to be clapping

11:03And I start to get embarrassed

11:04Yes

11:05Yes

11:06So I started making jokes

11:07Because I was like

11:08Oh God

11:09This is so much

11:10Yes

11:11And grateful for 50 minutes

11:12Yes

11:13It's quite hard

11:14Yes

11:15It's hard

11:16Thank you so much

11:17And here's the thing

11:18Just watching the trailer there

11:19That idea of Dwayne Johnson disappearing into any role

11:23You kind of think

11:24How can you transform

11:25But you do

11:26What

11:27What

11:28And it's not just the physical thing

11:30Because obviously there's hair

11:31But other things went on

11:32It was about 22 prosthetics

11:34We had Kazuhiro

11:35Who's our Oscar winning prosthetic artist

11:38And he helped me transform

11:39There was also a vocal transformation too

11:41But the idea I think of transforming for me

11:45Was something that you know

11:47I didn't know that I was

11:49I didn't know that that was for me

11:51And I wanted to do that

11:52Because a lot of times in the movies that I've made in the past

11:55The bigger movies they're big and they're fun

11:57And I've liked them from Jumanji to Moana

12:00And I'll go back to those

12:02But there was something about this opportunity

12:04Where there was a little

12:06There was a voice behind my ribcage

12:08That was just telling me right

12:10So like

12:11And I'd share this with Emily for years

12:13Like it's just

12:14It's gnawing at my gut to do more

12:17And challenge myself

12:18And grow

12:19And do something

12:20Where I'm not chasing box office

12:23But I'm doing it for me

12:24Yeah

12:25And it wound up being

12:26The most greatest

12:27Most gratifying thing

12:29And I've said this before

12:31And I mean it

12:32Smash the Machine changed my life

12:34Well you so pulled it off

12:35You really did

12:36Thank you very much

12:37It really is phenomenal

12:38And Matthew

12:39I'm interested because

12:40You had a kind of similar career pivot

12:42To what Dwayne's doing now

12:44Where you had this incredibly successful career

12:46With rom-coms

12:47Rom-coms

12:48And you went

12:49No I'm going to search out

12:50Different sorts of parts

12:51More meaningful parts

12:52How hard was it to turn your back

12:54So

12:55So

12:56Similar to what Dwayne said

12:57I had that 4am

12:58In my solitude

12:59On my own

13:00Truth that hit me

13:01That lands like a butterfly

13:03And strikes like a lightning bolt

13:04At the same time

13:05That truth that you go

13:06Okay

13:07Tomorrow when the sun comes up

13:08And I'm back in the masses

13:09And all the world's coming at me

13:10And all those offers

13:11I need to remember this truth

13:12Now

13:13I've been trying to get dramas

13:15And was even offering

13:16Huge pay cuts

13:17And they're like

13:18No stay in your lane McConaughey

13:19You're the rom-com guy

13:20You got that down

13:21Mind you I enjoyed him

13:22I was wanting to do something different

13:23Yeah

13:24Because I couldn't do what I wanted to do

13:25I said I got to stop doing what I'm doing

13:26So I said no more

13:27No more rom-coms

13:28Called the agent

13:29Said let the town know

13:31It's not going to happen

13:32I went to Texas

13:33Camilla's pregnant

13:34On the ranch

13:35Quiet down there

13:36Camilla says to me

13:37Look you don't know how long

13:38It's going to be dry

13:39How long are you going to

13:40Not go with work

13:41This could go on

13:42But this is non-negotiable

13:43We're not going back

13:44I was like not going back

13:45Now

13:46A year goes by

13:47Nothing

13:48Nothing

13:49I call my agent

13:50He goes Matthew

13:51Six months

13:52I'm going okay

13:53I may have just wrote myself

13:54A one way ticket out of Hollywood

13:55I start to think about

13:57Other vocations

13:58School teacher

13:59Wildlife guide

14:00Maybe I'll go back to law school

14:01Alright

14:02Eighteen months go by

14:04I really think I've done it

14:06I'm out

14:07I get this romantic action comedy

14:10It comes with an eight million dollar offer

14:12I read it

14:13I pass

14:14I say no thank you

14:15Comes back with a ten million dollar offer

14:16I said no thank you

14:17Comes back with a twelve million dollar offer

14:18I said no thank you

14:19It comes back with a fourteen point five million dollar offer

14:22I said

14:23Let me read that thing

14:25Yay

14:27Same words as the eight million dollar offer

14:29But it was better

14:30It was funnier

14:31I could see myself

14:32This could work right

14:33But I ultimately said no

14:35That must be so hard to say no

14:37It was

14:38But

14:39Saying no to it

14:40Thank you Hunter Lotus

14:41I think sent

14:42A little invisible message to Hollywood

14:44Oh McConaughey's not bluffing

14:46We were talking about not flinching

14:47Yes

14:48Oh he's playing offense

14:49He's not just doing nothing

14:51He's playing

14:52He's on to something

14:54And

14:55Twenty months

14:56Two months after I turned that down

14:58The offers came in

14:59That I was looking for

15:00And they came in in droves

15:02It went Killer Joe

15:03Mud

15:04The True Detective

15:05Dallas Buyers

15:06Magic Mike

15:07They came in

15:08Everything I was looking for

15:09They would not have come in

15:10If I wouldn't have unbranded

15:12For that twenty months

15:13Yes

15:14All right

15:15Now Duany you didn't have to unbrand

15:16You had enough steam going

15:17I can make whatever choice I want

15:19And I'm gonna make this happen over here

15:21It was a time for me

15:22Where I had to unbrand

15:23And it took twenty months

15:24But

15:25Then I was doing

15:26And all of a sudden my work

15:27Was challenging the vitality I liked

15:28I was like

15:29There we go

15:30So cool

15:31Absolutely

15:32And

15:33And

15:37You don't think that they

15:38Every actor that wants to be successful

15:39But then you don't want to be typecast

15:40And

15:41James

15:42You know you were

15:43So good

15:44As

15:45Tommy Lee Royce

15:46In Happy Valley

15:47You had that kind of

15:48Psychotic

15:49Like

15:54Were you just offered lots of

15:57Psycho villains after that

15:58Or

15:59Or

16:00Yeah

16:01I seem to get offered roles where

16:03They present as nice

16:04And

16:05Kind of civil

16:06And then underneath they have a heart of stone

16:07And

16:08I don't know what that says about me

16:09But

16:10Yeah

16:11I mean I

16:12Haven't

16:13Had to rebrand

16:14Which is lovely

16:15I've been lucky

16:16I've been able to kind of twist and turns

16:17And I think that's the way you keep learning

16:18And keep it fresh

16:19That's what every actor wants

16:20And

16:21Yeah

16:22I mean the villains are also really interesting

16:24Like the one I'm playing right now

16:25Is a beast

16:26Yes

16:27So you know I get to

16:28I get to play

16:29And yeah

16:30But I have to say

16:31I've cited you as someone

16:32Who has done it

16:33And you know

16:34Now you as well Duane

16:35Like someone who has done it

16:36So elegantly

16:37You managed to

16:38Go against the grain

16:39Because the producers

16:40They want their job to be done easily

16:41You know you don't want your actor

16:42To have to go on these massive

16:43Transformative journeys

16:44Because it costs money

16:45And you have to get dialect coaches

16:46And everything else

16:47You want the actor to walk in

16:48As the character

16:49And actually what we want to do

16:50Is go on those journeys

16:51Which you guys have just described

16:52So beautifully

16:53So yeah

16:54It's a tough

16:55Kind of struggle

16:56Talking of returning to our role

16:58We've seen a lot of paparazzi pictures

17:00Of Miss Emily Blunt recently

17:02Because you

17:03Are you still filming

17:04The Devil Wears Prada 2?

17:06Yes

17:07Yes

17:10It must be lovely

17:11To be making something

17:12That people are so happy about

17:13They are so excited about it

17:15It is incredibly sweet

17:17I mean we're trying to keep

17:18As much of it under wraps as we can

17:20But it's not just the paparazzi

17:22It's the fans outside

17:23I've never experienced this

17:24Where it's just thousands of people

17:26Waiting outside the sets

17:27And I think when we made the first one

17:29Like we thought it was funny

17:30We were like

17:31It's really funny

17:32And then it comes out

17:33And I was a kid

17:35You know when it came out

17:36I mean it's 20 years ago

17:37And I remember my agent calling me

17:39Going you know this

17:40This is the opening weekend

17:41I was like

17:42Is that good?

17:43Like I didn't know

17:44What was success was

17:45And so it had this meteoric life

17:48And it's amazing to come back to it

17:51And because to make the second one

17:52Obviously they needed the four of you

17:54You, Stanley, Anne and Merrill

17:55Yeah

17:56So did the four of you have a lot of say

17:58In what the story was going to be or

18:00We did

18:01I mean I think they were very collaborative on it

18:03And you know they wanted everyone to be happy

18:05They wanted us in cahoots with them

18:07Yeah

18:08It was it was really really cool

18:10Well we look forward to that

18:11But before then

18:13Do I urge you

18:14Go see Emily and Dwayne

18:15Give extraordinary performances in

18:17The Smashing Machine

18:18In cinemas from October the 3rd

18:20Very good

18:21Thank you

18:22Good day

18:23Thank you

18:24Okay

18:26Next up

18:27Matthew McConaughey

18:28He brings us the latest offering

18:30From director Paul Greengrass

18:32It's called The Lost Bus

18:34And it's out now in selected cinemas

18:36Then on Apple TV Plus

18:38From the 3rd of October

18:39Before we talk about it

18:40Here's some of the trail

18:42At approximately 6.30am this morning

18:44A fire entered the town of paradise

18:50Where do you need to get to?

18:52My son's up there with his grandma

19:01It's too late

19:03I'm too late as a father

19:05It's not too late as a father

19:13It's not too late

19:14Wowza

19:15Thank you so cool

19:16Wow

19:17And again, this is another extraordinary true story

19:20Yeah?

19:21These awful awful California wildfires in 2018

19:22And this kind of reluctant hero

19:23Tell us about Adam McKay

19:24Kevin McKay

19:25Kevin McKay

19:26Kevin McKay, sorry

19:27Kevin McKay

19:28Kevin McKay

19:29Kevin McKay, sorry

19:30In our story he's come home, because his father died

19:48he's there to take care of his widowed mother and reconcile our relationship with his son

19:52from an earlier divorce in his life. He's got a part-time job as a school bus driver.

19:57On this particular day, took the kid's school, dropped him off, was out and about, and fires

20:03were coming across the canyon. It happened all the time. No one even got alarmed. The first

20:08responders head up there and put them out. But on this day, the winds came and the fires jumped the

20:12canyon, so the first responders were stuck. And while they were stuck, they called it a

20:18mandatory evacuation out of the town of Paradise. When that happens, Kevin McKay has just made the

20:24decision, I'm going to go back and get my mom and my son, who cannot drive, I'm going to save them,

20:30evacuate them. Not two minutes later, it comes through dispatch. I've got 23 kids stranded on

20:37the east side of town. Does anyone on that side of town have an empty bus? Well, guess who's got an

20:40warranty bus? Do you pick that up and say yes? Or do you go get your mom and your son? He picked it

20:50up and he said, I got him. He picks him up. There's a teacher with a Mary Lugwig who's played by

20:56America Ferreira. And this is the story about the next six, seven, eight hours of what happens.

21:02And you mentioned the personal side of the idea of being a dad. And of course, that's incredibly

21:07present in this film because it is a family affair. Yes, it is. Check this out.

21:15I go home and pitch the script to my family, as I always do. Here's what it's about. You know?

21:21And if it's too R-rated, you've got to kind of do it in a parable form. Kids were old enough,

21:25I told them that this one was about straight. I get to the part about my son. And my son,

21:31Levi, who's 15 at the time, goes, is that part cast yet? I said, no. He goes, you think I can read for it?

21:36Oh, my God. And I just kind of look at him. Huh? Had he ever read for anything before?

21:41No. So this surprises me, but I kind of just give him a shoulder and like, yeah, right.

21:45He comes back next day. The next day, he badgers me four times. Okay. All right. First off, sit down.

21:51We're going to talk about what this acting gig is. I said, this ain't modeling. This ain't no attitude.

21:57All right. This is a freaking rodeo. You got to go with soul and no bullshit in your bone.

22:02So he goes, well, I already got a scene worked out. I want to shoot. So I pulled out my camera shot.

22:06I was like, first take. I was like, okay. Kids got present. He was able to behave honestly in front

22:12of the camera. I was like, that's for starters. You need that. Did two takes. I sent it to the

22:16casting director with a note saying, I think this is good enough for a callback. She writes back and

22:22says, I think it's good enough to send to the director, Paul Greengrass. I said, great.

22:25And it dawned on me. Wait a minute. Do me a favor. Can you pull his last name? If he gets

22:32it, is he going to have an inkling that the last name helped him? Oh, I don't want that

22:37happening. So she pulled the last name, goes in his leave. Paul sees it. Director looks

22:41out and goes, this is the kid. She said, well, you know, it's actually Matthew's son in real

22:44life. He goes, even better.

22:45Oh, that's so cool. And so it's lovely. Your son's in it. Your mom's in it. My mom's

22:50in it. My mom's in it. Tell them who she plays. Tell them who she plays. No, she plays. My mother.

23:00There she is. Kate McCulley, 93 years young. Oh my gosh, she's gorgeous.

23:04Look at your son as well. So what we're going through, Paul and I would get together every week

23:14and kind of just go over the last week. How are we doing? Are we missing anything? Is there anything

23:18we want to do? Anything special? And the news was always good. We were always happy with everything

23:21that was going. But he said about four weeks in, he goes, I got one problem. He goes, I think I miscast

23:25the mother and I either misdirected it or we got to rewrite this scene. Do you know, do you have

23:29anybody idea who could play your mother? I said, let me think about it. Next day, he goes, what about

23:34your mom? Wow. You've been making this family affair, Paul. He goes, let's just cast her. I said, hang on.

23:40Hang on. Before we just cast her, let me get her in front of you. And I said, mom,

23:44can you send me a minute video on your phone of why you love being a mom? She sends me an

23:50eight minute video. I show that to Paul. He's like, yes. That's her. What was that conversation

23:57like when you told your mom? She was already into, like, let me check with my agent, which

24:03she doesn't have. She was already like, well, let me think about it.

24:09Yeah. That's awesome. This is all sounding very familiar to James Norton because your

24:17dad, has he been in every single thing you've done? Dad? Has he? My dad has been in nearly

24:22everything I've ever done. Yeah. I'm terrified of him watching this because I know I'm going

24:26to get a text saying, why can't I play your dad? I want to, you know, I've got my notes

24:29ready. He mostly does kind of supporting background work. Yeah. He does a day as an

24:34essay on everything I do. So here he is in the House of Guinness. This is your current

24:38project. There he is. But we have found footage of him from War and Peace. This is, it's over,

24:45is it ten years ago? More than ten years. He flew himself out to Lithuania to shoot this.

24:49Yeah. He flies across the world. I did wonder how the hell he ended up in Lithuania to be

24:54in this. So he flew himself. He loves it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. He gets a free haircut. He kind

24:59of struts around the set like a peacock. Gets, you know, to flirt. You're not in this scene,

25:05but keep an eye out. I'll show you James Norton here. I mean, blink and you might miss him.

25:10But here we go. A warm peace. It's all going very well. Lovely, very dramatic. And look, who's

25:16that in the moustache? There you go. Did he keep the moustache? Yeah, he loved it. Did

25:23he keep the moustache? He didn't keep the moustache, no. Oh, it's a new one in House of

25:28Guinness? It's a new one in House of Guinness, yeah. In House of Guinness, he had to throw a

25:30bottle at me and he's not the most coordinated. It was in a stunt sequence and he had to throw

25:35the bottle multiple times. But yeah, no, he loves it. So when he comes out, is it specifically

25:39for one scene or does he just lurk around for many background scenes? No, no, no. We make sure

25:43that he's only on for one scene. I mean, he would. He would, if he had the choice, get

25:46an agent. I mean, I'm terrified. But has he never asked for lines? Has he never asked for...

25:51He had a line in one thing. Oh, it was terrible. I'm sorry, Dad, but he had a line in Lady

25:57Chatley's Lover. And I remember him, it was the director said, Hugh, let's give you a line.

26:03And he improvised something about the state of the coal mine. And he looks at me and goes,

26:07what the fuck? Like, how do I, what does he mean? And then it was, I don't know about

26:10you, but you obviously, your son and your mum are clearly much more talented than my dad

26:14because he was terrible. And I was standing there and I'm trying to stay in character and

26:18all I have is this man going, the coal is not coming up the ground. Terrible.

26:24Really distracting when you're a bad, terrible actor. And Dwayne, your mum, she didn't act,

26:32but she has now done some acting. She has. We actually, so I followed in Matthew's path

26:37and I put her in, I cast her in live action Moana. So she's in that, yeah.

26:43Does she have lines? No, thank God. OK. You went the Norton route. No, yes, that's it.

26:49You've talked about her before, but I love the idea of your mother. She enjoys your fame very much.

26:55She loves it. She does. My mum's had a tough life and she, so now she's living like,

27:00there she is. She's just living her best life. And she, she does. She, she's my biggest fan.

27:06And she has this crazy room that's called the SmackDown room. And in the SmackDown,

27:11it's just all me. Yes. Everything that I, I mean, every little thing,

27:18anything you can think of, she just shoves it in there. And I'm just,

27:22did your mum have something like that? My mum has the same room. She does?

27:24It's not, not of you, but it's of all my stuff.

27:27That would be weird. Yeah.

27:30That would be amazing. So your mum is your biggest fan?

27:33Yes, but she also, and she is my biggest fan, but she also is very clear to take credit.

27:38For all of, wow. Every role I've ever played. Here's what she comes up after.

27:44She's like, she goes, man, you did so good. I can tell where you got it from.

27:49Very proud. But we, that, we're fine now.

27:54My, my ship's stable enough where I'm like, mom, say whatever you want.

27:57Whatever you want. Now that she's got a great agent, she's good.

27:59Yes, yes. But also, she, she published a book.

28:02Yes. Can you remember what the name of the book was?

28:04Oh, yes. Because I'm, she probably has already put a sticker of the title of the book on my truck.

28:09It's called I Amaze Myself.

28:14I feel like every book, every book should be called I Amaze Myself.

28:18No, she's a legend. That is amazing.

28:21Chapter 26, guess what the title is?

28:23Some people deserve to be pissed on.

28:26What is Christmas like in your house?

28:37It's, it's wild.

28:38Is it novel?

28:39No, it's, it's, it's short, short stories.

28:41I mean, some people, it's probably helped out some people.

28:43She's very much a, um, she gets by on positive thinking and denial.

28:49And it works. And she's 93 and not shallow and kicking ass, so.

28:54Talking of books, I must say, uh, after the success of your memoir, Green Lights,

28:59you now have a new book, uh, Poems and Prayers.

29:01Yeah.

29:02Number one in the New York Times.

29:03We already know that it's going to be in the bestseller list in the Sunday Times.

29:06Oh, yes. Thank you, thank you.

29:08And, from what I read, so, a lot of the material in here, you've been working on off and on for years.

29:16Yes.

29:17So this is something you've always done?

29:19Yeah, I've been writing poetry since 18.

29:21Yeah.

29:22Yeah.

29:23And, and I think you're going to do one for us?

29:25Maybe?

29:26Yeah, I'd love to read one.

29:27Have you got the book with you?

29:28Actually, your mum is here and she's going to read it.

29:30She's here in her two-piece bikini.

29:32Ready to read it?

29:33Ready to pee on somebody.

29:35Well, you've got the book there.

29:36Oh, you've got the book there.

29:37What this, uh, why I wrote it and why I put it out now.

29:40Um, seems to me belief is in short supply.

29:44Um, look around, turn on the news.

29:46You look around, there's not much to believe in or reasons to believe.

29:51And that's not going to work because if doubt wins, we're all going to lose.

29:56All right?

29:57So this is me looking for belief because I found my own self getting cynical.

30:00I found my own self objectifying people and kind of thinking, I guess that's just the way it is.

30:05First, that scared me.

30:06Secondly, thankfully, it pissed me off.

30:08And I said, no, no, no, no, no.

30:09I promise I'd never become a cynic.

30:11That's an early death if you do that.

30:13So I wrote this to dive into my own belief.

30:16And I've also found a lot of people along the way going, they feel kind of the same way.

30:19They're looking for belief.

30:20So poems and prayers, instead of looking to reality and the evidence for belief, let's look at our dreams and our aspirations and see if we can bring those back down to earth.

30:28And that's why I wrote this book.

30:31There's a bunch in there.

30:32Why don't I read one that's kind of funny?

30:33OK.

30:34All right?

30:35And not that long.

30:36How about that?

30:37OK.

30:38All right.

30:39It's called More Time.

30:40I think it was about 2 AM.

30:41The band played the last tune and I said amen.

30:43Went to pay my tab over at the bar when the main event started tuning their guitar.

30:48So I ordered myself another bottle of wine.

30:50God, I love it when I got more time.

30:53Thought it was the year 2010.

30:56Not a worrying sight in the fast lane again.

30:59Signed all my checks one year tardy because it was 09 and I hadn't left the party.

31:04So happy my balance wasn't in the red.

31:06God, I love it when I'm early instead.

31:09Met a woman I liked and she became my friend.

31:12We turned into lovers and thought we'd make it until the end.

31:15But as soon as we lined up hand in hand in the queue, my eyes started turning a lighter shade of blue.

31:22Well, sometimes love just loses its shine and sometimes leaving early just gives you more time.

31:29Shut up!

31:30Very good.

31:33Very good.

31:36Meanwhile, in another part of the forest, James Norton brings us a new epic historical drama, House of Guinness on Netflix now and here's a taste delicious.

31:51The death of your father has served to poke a stick in a hornet's nest.

31:58A gift from Mr. Guinness.

32:01From a representative of the Dublin poor.

32:06Children Sir Benjamin leaves behind are weak and divided.

32:11Now is the time to use that weakness.

32:13Freedom!

32:17You think there'll be trouble today?

32:19The man's name is Guinness.

32:24Of course there'll be fucking trouble.

32:26There's no Tonys in that.

32:44No Tonys.

32:45No Tonys.

32:46Big horses.

32:47The Guinness family, who are fighting for control of the brewery, they are real.

32:52real and who do you play and are you kind of an actual historical figure uh so i'm not i'm made

32:58up the the the story is a kind of the the father benjamin guinness is all true he died in the early

33:041860s um and he left his power vacuments the kind of big dynasty show the four children then take

33:09over the the brewery i play their um fixer caretaker kind of the he runs the show he's the boss

33:16he's called sean rafferty and he's a he's a badass yeah he really is a badass it's really fun yeah

33:21and it's by the same guy who wrote peaky blinders right it's stephen knight yeah and he is yeah

33:27yeah and he's firing on all cylinders he's he's in his element you can tell he had a lot of fun making

33:32it um yeah it's a really it's a romp you know it's a it's an amazing period of history it's when

33:37this this brand guinness became this you know the biggest i didn't realize how famous guinness was

33:43in the 1860s it was global already well it was just this this story is the kind of the moment it

33:48exploded into north america um and on the kind of coattails of the industrial revolution and and

33:53but it's sort of it's smoky and sexy and it's irreverent and you know it's it's we have many

33:58names the crown with beer subsession it's been called uh subsession i mean there's many people

34:06have coined it but yeah it's it's a lot of fun it's definitely a fun fun romp and when i watch something

34:10like this and you know you're in it and you're doing a really good dublin accent thank you when you said yes

34:15to it did you just kind of think i'm sure i can do that accent or did you know you could do a dublin

34:20accent no i mean i was terrified you know the irish are a very well you know they're a very proud

34:25people right they'll tell you they will tell me they do they often do have you done press in ireland

34:31yet i have you got away terrifying honestly i sat on this couch with jamie dawlin and he told us he got

34:36crucified by a journalist for his irish accent yes and he's irish i was in that movie with him

34:42and we got destroyed yeah but he's irish i mean i know he's but he's from belfast and they told him

34:49his irish accent was shit so i don't know what i don't know it was anyway but no i listen the accent

34:55the accent was terrifying and i worked really hard at it because you know we've we've all we all know

34:59actors who didn't get it right and they do get held to account and did you have any kind of like

35:04were you given shortcuts into it yes i did i had an amazing dialect coach called paul um musulides who

35:10basically yeah he gave he gave me um i don't know if you've ever done this for an accent but he gave

35:15me kind of the vowels broken down into eight sounds and then these little poems actually funnily enough

35:20i could follow i could follow with one of the poems but um they they were they were kind of ridiculous

35:25and i would listen to them and look kind of crazy walking around can you remember any of them i remember

35:30um uh like the sound i mean i'm gonna butcher it and the irish people are gonna come they're not they

35:35are um no i'm not i'm saying it was a year and a half ago in my defense so like the sound like um

35:40wine light uh fine ireland was it was something like um uh the prime height for umpours in ireland is

35:48five foot nine i'm smiling now because of the fine white wine i'm drinking it makes me feel like i'm a lion

35:54a lion flying over a toy yeah yeah yeah yeah still got it still got it that's one of that's cool yeah

36:03cool you've been there no there's an actor you like it's it's very scientific you break the accent down

36:08into these times have you ever done an accent matthew yes yeah tim monick is who i worked with

36:13who's done the same things yeah yeah you give the little limericks and you just find the uh the

36:19actually the rhyme and then the vowel sound along the way and you start it sort of seeps in and uh

36:25james uh norton the this is a you know it's a big action uh series a big action role for you and you

36:31know and we've we've had fighting we've had fires you bring us explosions now have you ever had to do

36:39walking away from an explosion before so please we can get to talk about yeah so we have no you you have i

36:46know you have because there is a song so we were shooting this scene um in in liverpool and and my

36:51and sean rafferty my my role was made very easy because all i had to do was sort of strut and smoke

36:56cigarettes and look kind of cool and so within one of these scenes i was walking away from an explosion

37:00and my business partner and my dear dear best friend she she texted me in the middle of this this

37:04scene she said have you seen cool guys don't look back at explosions the lonely island guys have you

37:09seen it yeah the andy sandberg which you were in it's a song and he's cut together it's so good it's cut

37:14together all the actors and actresses over the over the time in hollywood who have walked away from

37:19an explosion and not turned back you can't turn back you can't turn back but you are my inspiration

37:23oh yeah this is this is what actually in the series this is uh sean rafferty walking away from an

37:29explosion i'm not afraid of a bit of progress and wait for it oh there you go but then i do a look back

37:36do i not no you don't no it's so cool so the rules bernie are you don't look back that's a rule you

37:43don't look back yeah and i suppose the other thing would be you wouldn't look sort of pleased with

37:47yourself for walking away from it oh no no don't don't don't look back don't that don't look please

37:51yeah don't don't don't don't just stone cold straight faces don't go straight faces yeah like this

37:55is what i do kind of thing but by the way you're a producer make it happen yeah i wasn't a producer but i

38:00i don't know what you're about yeah so so this is this is uh this is a slightly longer this is

38:05from behind the scenes of uh sean rafferty walking away from the explosion oh so uh here he goes

38:12so there's the explosion not looking back oh he looked back at least he hasn't looked pleased with

38:18himself at all all right it's time for music the seven-time brit award-winning grammy-nominated

38:35artist first set the world alight with her debut album my 21st century blues here performing

38:40her newly released single where is my husband it's ray

38:49i would like a baby i would like a ring i would like a diamond ring on my wedding finger i would

38:54like a big and shiny diamond i could wave around and talk and talk about it and when the day has

38:59ever give me god that i could ever doubt it till death i do i do i this man is testing me oh help me

39:10baby

39:28why is this beautiful man waiting for me again oh why are you already testing my impatience

39:32i only can't be taking time with other women that ain't me but i've been reviewing applications

39:36i need you to tell me baby

39:50i need you to tell me

40:04what is he giving so long to find me oh baby

40:10where the hell is my lover getting down with another

40:14he should i'm doing only acrobatics i'm zipping my dress at 2am and i'm tired of living like this

40:24he must be out of getting ready trying to fix up his tire huh huh my hello this way your wife is

40:28i need you to tell me baby

40:42what is he giving so long to find me oh baby

40:56what is he giving so long to find me oh baby

41:02where the hell is my lover getting down with another

41:06i'm gonna be

41:08i'm gonna be

41:10tell him i'm

41:12tell him i'm

41:14tell him i'm kind

41:16tell him i got brown eyes in the ground for the if he doesn't find me now i'm gonna die

41:18i'm gonna die

41:20oh my my my my

41:22oh my my my my

41:24oh my my my

41:26oh my my my my

41:28i'm gonna be

41:43oh baby

41:44where the hell is my husband

41:46what's taking him so long

41:48to find me

41:50no no no baby

41:52where the hell is my lover

41:54getting down with another

41:56Is

42:26Oh

42:56Oh

43:04First of all, thank you for that amazing performance

43:08It's a standing-up dress

43:12That I know you put on a show. Thank you so much

43:15Just terrific. I know and also I want to say just some congratulations on everything that's happened to you since the last time you were on the show

43:21I mean broke records of the Brits for one to the Grammys the Oscars

43:26Just it's phenomenal. It does. I'm so happy

43:37Did you lean into being more you definitely yeah, yeah, yeah like that right there is me

43:46That is the the new single that's out now where is my husband and that voice we heard at the end

43:52Yes, it's true. That's your granny. He's my grandma. Yes

43:56Picked it up. This is this was right at the end of the track. Your husband is coming. Come on grandma

44:01Oh

44:03That's my best friend

44:05She's my best friend. I call that lady every night. We pray together. We talk about life together. That's my rock

44:10Punny no pun intended

44:14You know I sang your song today on the radio you did yeah Greg James

44:19I sang it I like it was a challenge to me like the rap portion because you know

44:23There's like a like a rhythm to it yes, it was crazy. Yes, I know I butchered it

44:30But it was it was terrible

44:32I'll tell her it was terrible

44:36So congratulations on everything

44:38I would love to get that footage please

44:42It's one of those life achievements

44:44That is the new single and it's it's going to be on the new album. Yes now when in the new album coming out?

44:50So you can pre-order it

44:52Great pre-order it, but it's just not done at all like at all

44:58I'm an independent artist right you've got to get ahead of these things

45:00Okay, we put it out there. I've kind of given myself a rough deadline

45:04I would like to say the first third of next year definitely the first half of next year

45:09Okay, so

45:13This is not what I thought

45:15It was kind of like done you were just doing a little polishing

45:17Oh no, no

45:19Yeah, maybe add some add some horns to that

45:21No, not at all

45:23Are you writing it right now?

45:25I am yeah, so it's a beautiful process, but it does take time and I

45:31Yeah

45:33Yeah, I had to didn't wear my husband eight days before it come out. Do you know what I mean?

45:37So I'm combing away at it chipping away. No, this could be better. We should add this

45:41Yeah, when you're writing do you sleep or are you just always churning with it?

45:45No, you need rest being tired in the studio is the worst

45:48Yeah, yeah, you need to be on you need to be present and I think it's kind of like imagining your guys crafts

45:54You know when your your heart starts beating and you just feel like this adrenaline goes and you're like I'm where I need to be right now

46:00I need to chase this feeling it's that feeling you know yeah being tired in the studio your songs are gonna suck

46:07You're just finishing the album. Tell me this does the album at least of a name?

46:11Um

46:13Not really kind of kind of kind of what is it kind of?

46:25Kind of is the title right now. Oh nice. Yeah, it's kind of yeah, actually so if Matthew McConaughey says it

46:31Yeah, I need one of them cut you know they do quotes of like, you know, it's just like Matthew McConaughey kind of

46:37Yeah, but look well the one thing we do know is you are going on tour. Yes. Yes, you are. When does that kick off next year?

46:46and

46:48Yeah, we just announced a fifth o2 arena like

46:58We've been talking about family a lot tonight and your tour is gonna be a family affair

47:02It is my two beautiful sisters who are here is that them right there. That's them over there

47:07I'm over there

47:23Absolutely and you are going on tour now absolutely you've been on tour with ray before yes, I have

47:31This is like some fever dream right

47:34Is it weird everyone just staring at you?

47:37Yes it is

47:39You sound like you're not thrilled at the idea of going up back on tour

47:42You're like yes, I have

47:44It's a good dream, it's a good dream

47:46Abby's the shy one of us three a bit more

47:49Mother named you absolutely

47:51No

47:53My name is Abby, Abby Lynn

47:56Where'd absolutely come from?

47:57I was, that's your name?

47:58Tequila

48:01You imagine it

48:04You said absolutely

48:07Abby

48:08No, but that is what you're called, you're called absolutely

48:10Yeah, yeah, that's your stage name

48:11That's my artist name

48:13I didn't just make it up Matthew

48:16I didn't just look at the woman and go, looks like an absolutely to me

48:20Abby's too short, it feels rude

48:23This is such a real moment, I'm just saying my sister's on one side

48:26And then you guys on the other side

48:29It's really abnormal

48:31You'll never believe who's in the lounge

48:34We're not looking

48:35We're not looking

48:37Well listen, good luck with the tour

48:39I know you're adding lots of extra dates

48:41So you're going to be together for quite a long time

48:44Yeah

48:45So enjoy it

48:46Yeah

48:47And Ray, thank you

48:48That is really a performance for the ages

48:49Thank you

48:50It was just fantastic

48:51Thank you

48:52Ray, everybody

48:53That is it for tonight

48:54Sadly no time for red chairs, I'm afraid

48:55So please thank the rest of my guests

48:56James Norton

48:57Matthew McConaughey

48:59Emily Blunt

49:01And Mr. Dwayne Johnson

49:03Join me next week with another great line-up

49:06Lewis Capaldi

49:07Donal Gleeson

49:08Jodie Turner-Smith

49:09Greta Leigh

49:10Oscar winner Cillian Murphy

49:11And the one and only Taylor Swift

49:12I'll see you then

49:13Good night, everybody

49:14Bye

49:16Join me next week with another great line-up

49:18Lewis Capaldi

49:19Donal Gleeson

49:20Jodie Turner-Smith

49:21Greta Leigh

49:22Oscar winner Cillian Murphy

49:24And the one and only Taylor Swift

49:26I'll see you then

49:27Good night, everybody

49:34And back on a space oddity with David Bowie

49:37From schoolboy to Ziggy to the man who fell to earth

49:40Listen to music on Covered, Changeling on BBC Sounds

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