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00:00.
00:21Hello.
00:23Hey.
00:25Hello, Holiday.
00:26Hello up there.
00:27Yes.
00:28Hello to you.
00:29Hello over there.
00:30Very good.
00:31Good evening, everyone.
00:32You are so welcome to the show.
00:35I tell you, we have got some big stars for you tonight.
00:39I'm actually a bit nervous.
00:40I'm sweating like Alan Carr on Celebrity Traitors.
00:43And that's sweating.
00:45But hey, look who's singing for us later.
00:48It's the fabulous Robbie Williams.
00:50Yeah.
00:52He has been performing his new single, Pretty Face.
00:56And plenty of pretty faces on my sofa tonight.
00:58First up, this music icon has sold over 100 million records
01:03since her hit song, Conga, made her a global star.
01:06And she's kept the world on their feet ever since.
01:09Now celebrating 50 years in music with her new album, Rises,
01:12It's the Queen of Latin Pop, Gloria Estefan.
01:15There she is.
01:16Oh.
01:17So lovely to see you.
01:18Hello.
01:19Good to see you.
01:20Gloria Estefan, everybody.
01:21Hey, hey.
01:22There you go.
01:23Hello.
01:24Hello.
01:25This double Oscar nominee mastered crime solving in Sherlock,
01:36a code breaking in the Imitation Game,
01:38and the madness of the multiverse in Doctor Strange.
01:41Now he brings us a moving portrayal of grief in The Thing With Feathers.
01:45It's Benedict Cumberbatch.
01:47Yay!
01:48Hello.
01:49Hi.
01:50Nice to be here.
01:51Well, welcome, welcome, welcome.
01:52This Irish man was Oscar nominated for his heartbreaking role in The Banshees of Inish Aaron,
02:02and early this year won a Golden Globe for his starting performance in The Penguin.
02:07Now in Ballad of a Small Player, he plays a gambling addict in The Bright Lights of Macau.
02:13It's Colin Farrell!
02:15Yeah.
02:16I'm not lying.
02:18Colin Farrell.
02:19Hello.
02:20Hello.
02:21Hello.
02:22Hi.
02:23There you go.
02:24Come on, man.
02:26And she's lit up the big screen in countless hits like Pretty Woman, My Best Friend's Wedding,
02:32Notting Hill, Ocean's Eleven, and her Oscar winning performance as Erin Brockovich.
02:36Now, she's wowing critics with her latest role in controversial campus drama, After The Hunt.
02:41It is a warm welcome back to Julia Roberts!
02:46Hello.
02:49So good to see you.
02:54And Julia Roberts, everybody.
02:57There you go.
02:59Have a seat.
03:00Have a seat, everybody.
03:02Aw.
03:03Welcome back to everyone.
03:04Julia, second time on the show.
03:05Hello.
03:06Second time.
03:07Second time.
03:08Who do you know on the couch this time?
03:09Anybody?
03:10I know Colin, and I know Benedict, and I know you, and I am in awe of Miss Estefan.
03:16Oh, good lord.
03:17I'm in awe of all of them.
03:19Yes.
03:20And actually, you worked with Benedict.
03:24We did, yeah.
03:25Yes.
03:26August Osage County.
03:27Yes, you did.
03:28And were you at Wimbledon together as well?
03:30Well...
03:31Julia was sat next to me.
03:32OK.
03:33Which I thought, oh great, I'm between my husband and Benedict, this is going to be great.
03:38But we were in a very special seating.
03:41In the royal box, you could say.
03:42We were in the royal box.
03:43Amazing.
03:44Which I was very excited about, until I realised, well, until Benedict pointed out to me that
03:53I gasp every time the ball is struck.
03:57And in the royal box you were supposed to be...
03:59It was like a scene out of a pretty woman.
04:00It was amazing.
04:01She was like...
04:02It's impossible to be quiet in a scenario.
04:07It's so exciting.
04:08Like, it's so exciting.
04:09It's so exciting.
04:10But Benedict had his tie and he was like...
04:12And he said, Julia.
04:14And it's like...
04:15They hit the ball.
04:16They hit the ball.
04:17He's like, Julia, really?
04:19It's going to happen all day.
04:20It's going to happen a lot today.
04:22If they're lucky.
04:24One big scream and get at any assistant.
04:27And Gloria Estevan, back, back, back again.
04:30So happy to be here.
04:31It's always so much fun.
04:33Got a new album, Racist, which we'll talk about later in the show.
04:38But this is unbelievable.
04:39You have been in show business for 50 years.
04:43Yes!
04:44I joined the band in 1975.
04:47It was a Miami Latin Boys.
04:49And then when I stuck around, we changed the name to Miami Sound Machine.
04:52I can't believe it.
04:53I'm shocked.
04:54But you know what I can't believe is...
04:55I can't believe it is 40 years since we all first heard this.
05:00Come on, shake your body.
05:02Do that Konga.
05:03Wow.
05:0440 years.
05:05Wow.
05:06Konga is officially middle-aged.
05:13It's so good.
05:14And I'm glad you knew that, Colin, because Latin beats are important to you.
05:18Yeah.
05:19You know, because Miami Vice...
05:20There's a queue who's supposed to, yes.
05:21Miami Vice.
05:22There's a bit of salsa in Miami Vice.
05:23We're not talking chips.
05:24Yeah, we saw you doing a bit of moving in Miami Vice.
05:25Here you were.
05:26Oh, no.
05:27Gloria.
05:28All right.
05:29I want to see the hips.
05:30They never cut to your feet.
05:31Wow.
05:32But no, you're really doing it.
05:33You're really doing it.
05:34You're really doing it.
05:35Yeah.
05:36I cannot remember that scene.
05:37I think it was...
05:38I woke up 48 hours later in rehab.
05:39Yeah.
05:40Fact.
05:41You took Miami Vice too seriously.
05:42Yeah, the fajitas are good.
05:4348 hours later.
05:44Yes.
05:45I mean, they were consequential.
05:46Yes, cut to.
05:47Yeah.
05:48That must have been very strange when you went to the premiere of the show.
05:50Oh, no.
05:51But no, you're really doing it.
05:52You're really doing it.
05:53You're really doing it.
05:54I cannot remember that scene.
05:55I think it was...
05:56I woke up 48 hours later in rehab.
05:58Fact.
05:59You took Miami Vice too seriously.
06:01Yeah, the fajitas are good.
06:0348 hours later.
06:04Yes.
06:05Yes.
06:06They were consequential.
06:07Yes.
06:08Cut to.
06:09Yeah.
06:10That must have been very strange when you went to the premiere of Miami Vice and you must
06:12have been big swathes of it you didn't recall.
06:14Two-thirds of the film, man.
06:15Wow.
06:16I was like, don't tell me what's going to happen next.
06:18LAUGHTER
06:19Yeah.
06:20But like Julia Tennis.
06:21The only actor who did the film.
06:22Yeah, exactly.
06:23No spoiler alerts.
06:25I...
06:26Hey, listen.
06:27Tonight we've got three very different movies to talk about.
06:30The first is a fabulous and timely drama starring Julia Roberts.
06:33It's called After The Hunt.
06:35It opens on the 17th of October.
06:37That's next Friday.
06:38And it is the latest from Luca Guadagnino.
06:41Guadagnino.
06:42Guadagnino.
06:43I've been practising all week and still fucked it up.
06:45LAUGHTER
06:46Guadagnino.
06:47He made Call Me By Your Name and Challengers lots for the films.
06:51And I was telling you backstage, I love this film.
06:53It's such a big moral mess.
06:56So tell us what you can about it, who you are and what is going on around you.
07:00I play a philosophy professor at Yale.
07:05And my colleague and sort of best friend is another philosophy professor played by Andrew Garfield.
07:14And my prize student is played magnificently by Iowa Debrey.
07:22And near the beginning of the movie, there she is, I throw a party that this picture is from.
07:29My husband and I, Michael Stuhlbarg, plays my husband, a Freudian analysis guy.
07:35And we have this party and the next day she comes to tell me that they walked home together and something inappropriate happened.
07:44So it's who's telling the truth.
07:47There's lots of fallout from that.
07:49Yeah.
07:50Among other things.
07:51And we were saying it's one of those things where you think it's just going to be about the sexual politics of that,
07:56but it's about all sorts, it's about young, old, gay, straight, men, women, it's all in there.
08:01Pills, whiskey, lots of things.
08:02There was a lot of whiskey.
08:04Yeah.
08:05I wish I drank whiskey watching that film.
08:06Yeah.
08:07It's lovely.
08:08You still can.
08:09I feel I've left it too late.
08:11Hey, I tell you what, we've got a clip.
08:13And this is you confronting student Maggie, played by Iowa Debrey.
08:17Here we go.
08:19I don't feel comfortable having this conversation with you anymore.
08:22Not everything is supposed to make you comfortable, Maggie.
08:25Not everything is supposed to be a lukewarm bath for you to sink into until you fall asleep and drown.
08:33And there are no rewards in death for suffering as much as fucking possible in life.
08:40You've constructed a life that hides your accidental privilege, neediness, desperate desire to impress.
08:48At least I have the self-respect to be obvious about what it is that I want.
08:53But you, it's all lies.
08:56Ooh.
08:58And when you have been at screenings of this movie, I mean, it must be that afterwards.
09:05Like, everyone must have an opinion.
09:07There's lots to talk about after this.
09:10Yeah.
09:11And that's the best bit is people seem to have really robust conversations for days after this.
09:19And that's the best part because I feel like, to me, that's my favourite part of going to the movies besides the candy is the talking after.
09:27And the cast, you mentioned all the cast there.
09:30Had you worked with any of them before?
09:32None of them.
09:33And our other cast mate, there's many of us, Chloe.
09:36Chloe Sevigny.
09:37Yes.
09:38And none of us had worked together before.
09:40And there was some kind of alchemy that happened where we really, we have fallen into a life together now.
09:50I don't think, I mean, we finished this movie over a year ago and I don't think a week has gone by that I haven't spoken to or texted one or more of them.
09:59Wow.
10:00Yeah.
10:01Everyone who does interviews about this all reference your banana bread.
10:05Oh, yeah.
10:06Like, do you cook anything else?
10:08No, I know.
10:09It seems like that's all I cook and it makes me sound like such a not cool person.
10:16No, it doesn't.
10:17No, it's horrible.
10:18Super cool.
10:19And I do, I can make anything.
10:21I can make so many more things than bananas.
10:23Just ask me anything.
10:24I can make it.
10:25Make one thing and do it super well.
10:28Banana bread.
10:29Yeah.
10:30I can, and I'm not just a baker.
10:33Okay.
10:34I could make you as well.
10:35I feel like I've touched a nerve.
10:37No, I just, you know, there comes a time in life.
10:40Walnut bread as well.
10:42Not walnut bread.
10:43Don't be silly.
10:44No, not a nerve.
10:47I love making banana bread.
10:49I wish I had made enough for everybody here tonight, but, and I'm, yeah.
10:53Well, I've let them all down now.
10:55Yeah, really?
10:56Because, because Colin, when you were working with Margot Robbie in your last film, A Big Bold Beautiful Journey.
11:03Yeah.
11:04You fed her, was it every day you fed her?
11:06I didn't feed her.
11:07I mean, I would have if she wanted, but I gave the sandwich to her and she fed herself a crisp sandwich.
11:14You made her a crisp sandwich every day?
11:16Yeah.
11:17Oh, wow.
11:18That's a lovely thing to do.
11:19Thank you, the wooer.
11:20Yeah.
11:21Did she not make it herself?
11:22I, I just got into, I, I, I, I adopt habits very quickly.
11:28Just your gesture.
11:29And so, by day two, I, she, we were talking a bit in rehearsal about the script and somehow it led to our childhoods, which led to food that we enjoyed when we were little and that evoke a sense of that bygone time.
11:41And I talked about potato crisps.
11:44Of course.
11:45And a sandwich with Kerrygold butter.
11:47Yeah.
11:48And yeah, and I brought her one in and she just was licking her lips and loved it.
11:51And so that was it.
11:52The second day, by the second day the habit had kicked in and it was every day there was a, Margot Robbie.
11:58It was a joy to bring her in a sandwich.
12:01Do you squish it down like I used to as a kid?
12:03You know, you do.
12:04Yeah, you know, you know, you know, you don't even have it.
12:06Yes, yes.
12:07Yeah, you get your fingerprints in there.
12:09Yeah.
12:10The FBI could profile you from a well-made potato sandwich.
12:13Yeah.
12:14But is this something you do on sets?
12:17Do you make things for people?
12:18Yeah.
12:19To eat?
12:20Yeah.
12:21Um, no.
12:22OK.
12:23Have people made you things?
12:24No.
12:25Did you get any of Julia's banana bread?
12:26No.
12:27No.
12:28Um, but do I...
12:29Do I...
12:30I bring things in?
12:31Yeah, definitely.
12:32I bring cakes in but I don't...
12:33I don't make...
12:34Making it.
12:35I'm not gonna...
12:36I guess I'm very generous.
12:37I give people give it all the time.
12:38I do think.
12:39Go ahead.
12:40I bring tequila.
12:41Oh, nice!
12:42There's the party.
12:43Absolutely.
12:44There's the party.
12:45There's the party.
12:46Tequila.
12:47But for after, not during.
12:48Do you collect tequila?
12:49Do you collect tequila?
12:50I don't collect them.
12:51I collect them in my throat.
12:53LAUGHTER
12:56They are.
12:57But it's celebratory, you know, at the end of the thing.
12:59Yes.
13:00But, early on, I would get so nervous that the band would do a pre-show shot.
13:04It could only be one.
13:05Mm.
13:06And you could only do that in your 20s.
13:08Because after that, you realise it dries you out, you can't continue a huge tour with it.
13:13But, yeah, at least it, you know, chilled you out. No more.
13:16Nice.
13:17Nice.
13:18Happy memories.
13:19Happy memories.
13:20Talking of memories, now, the last time you were here, Julia, we talked a lot about some of your old movies.
13:25I know nothing makes you happier than talking about those.
13:27But, er...
13:28LAUGHTER
13:29But Mystic Pizza, Mystic Pizza, you know, you'd have been successful, whatever.
13:34But this was kind of the film where everyone kind of paid attention.
13:36Absolutely.
13:37And noticed you.
13:38Yes.
13:39Well, life, I feel...
13:41You may know this already.
13:42I don't know.
13:43I just feel a dread right now.
13:44LAUGHTER
13:45Life might have been different because the part was originally offered to...
13:51Do you know this?
13:52No.
13:53Gloria...
13:54Ta-da!
13:55No!
13:56Yes!
13:57Excuse me?
13:58Yes!
13:59Thank you!
14:00That's why I'm rocking that same hair!
14:01Honestly, I would have sucked.
14:03It was terrible.
14:04I wasn't ready.
14:06You know, the career...
14:07I wasn't ready.
14:08No.
14:09You were fantastic in it.
14:10But my music career was starting.
14:12They offered me this role.
14:13I go, do I have to audition?
14:14They go, no, no, no.
14:15You've got the role if you wanted.
14:16And I go, I'm not ready for this.
14:18It's a craft, as you all know.
14:20Oh, absolutely.
14:21That's such a wise...
14:22No, I did, because I could have messed up my music career and failed at that.
14:26And I knew I wanted to act one day, but I wanted to have time to prepare and, you know, study.
14:31It's a craft, as you all well know.
14:33And I know that that would have been a big mistake, so...
14:35Wow.
14:37Well, thank you.
14:38Good decision for both.
14:39I've never heard that.
14:40I see some banana bread in...
14:42I expect...
14:44I expect, at the least, banana bread.
14:46But am I right?
14:47After the first edition of something, you heard that they were looking for a Latin actress,
14:52or did you hear...
14:53Was that...?
14:54No, not a Latin actress, but after, like, my third reading, my hair was blonde, and I'd never
15:05coloured my hair before, and she said, you know, they're really...
15:08The director's really thinking of someone with dark hair.
15:11You know, these people are supposed to be Portuguese, and...
15:15And so, I don't know if you could do something with your hair.
15:18So I...
15:19That's probably why they offered me the roll, my curly hair.
15:21Well...
15:22That was it.
15:23I had the curls, I just didn't have the dark.
15:24And so I got some...
15:26They used to have this coloured mousse.
15:28I don't know if they still do, but I got black coloured mousse, and I put in my
15:33already very curly, unruly hair.
15:37I walked in there, it was, like, massive.
15:41And crispy.
15:45Well, I think we've got some pictures.
15:46That's you in the movie.
15:47That looks beautiful.
15:48Yeah.
15:49And what's weird is, here's a picture of you, Gloria, from around the same time.
15:52Oh!
15:53Oh, wow.
15:54Sisters!
15:55Congratulations.
15:56Absolutely.
15:57And, listen, you can see Julia in her new film, After the Hunt, in cinemas from next Friday.
16:05We move on now to Colin Farrell's new film, Ballad of a Small Player.
16:09It's in UK cinemas October 17th and Netflix from October 29th.
16:14It's a beautiful and really kind of an unexpected film.
16:18So we'll start with a clip, and this is you kind of introducing your character.
16:23My name is Doyle.
16:26Lord Doyle.
16:29I'm a high roller on a slippery slope.
16:35A gambler with a pair of lucky gloves.
16:40Washed up on the shores of Macau.
16:45The gambling capital of the universe.
16:49A city of miracles.
16:52And a land saved from the sea.
17:00But I no longer believe in miracles.
17:02And in a few days, my life, as I know it, will be over.
17:07We'll be over.
17:28Oh, look.
17:30And I walked into this film not knowing anything about it.
17:39And so from the beginning, I just thought, oh, it's a crime caper.
17:41Good.
17:42And that is not what we're in for at all.
17:45No.
17:46What are we in for?
17:47We're in for a jolly good tale about addiction and desperation
17:51and looking in all the wrong places for a sense of who you are
17:54and the meaning that we all kind of try to scratch at and locate in our lives,
18:00you know?
18:01He's looking in all the wrong places.
18:02Yeah, we meet the character, Lord Doyle.
18:05No back story.
18:06He's just at the precipice about to kind of hit rock bottom.
18:10And it's that thing of characters who don't know when enough is enough.
18:14Like, it's about that kind of idea of just always wanting more.
18:17Yeah, absolutely.
18:18And your life, his life, becomes just all smoke and mirrors.
18:22There's an enormous amount of pretense, artifice.
18:25Bless you.
18:26And he is, yeah, he's pretty, to be honest with you, he's pretty sick.
18:31He's pretty in the grip of addiction and he doesn't...
18:35There's no self-respecting addict does.
18:37He doesn't know when to stop.
18:38Whether it's gambling or whether it's booze, they're his proclivities.
18:41And watching it, I thought it was set...
18:44This is absolutely...
18:45I thought it was set in a kind of, like, dystopian future.
18:48But that's Macau now.
18:51Yeah, yeah.
18:52That's what Macau looks like.
18:53Yeah, it's a really fascinating place.
18:55I mean, I don't know that I ever would have found my way to Macau
18:58if it wasn't for this film.
18:59It's off the coast of Hong Kong.
19:01I think a little bit south-west of Hong Kong, I think.
19:04And it used to be two islands, Macau.
19:06There was the old town Macau and then an island called Colowan,
19:09which is still an old fishing village.
19:11Really lovely, really rustic.
19:13And then they dredged the sea floor in 2006
19:15and they joined both those islands.
19:17So now it's one island.
19:18And the middle part that they dredged and they built
19:20is in the space of, like, an afternoon.
19:23The Chinese don't mess around.
19:25They built this whole gambling strip.
19:27So it's known as the Las Vegas of the East.
19:29But you have that amazing fact about how it's much more serious than Vegas.
19:33Yeah, I mean, they're big players.
19:36I think the money spent in Macau in the space of something ridiculous
19:42like a month is Vegas' revenue for the year.
19:45Yeah, it's mad.
19:46I was...
19:47You know the way you get to see behind the scenes when you're doing things?
19:50What?
19:51The gasping.
19:52Oh, yeah.
19:53It did, yeah.
19:54Sorry.
19:55That was a good gasp, though.
19:56That was a good gasp.
19:59Graham's role for the sort.
20:01But it's easier to gasp on his sofa.
20:03We went backstage and saw this room where the High Rollers play one day
20:08and the casino floor manager was showing me
20:10and there was two baccarat tables and he said,
20:12we had a good night last night, the house.
20:14And I said, what happened?
20:15And he said, we had two gentlemen in from the mainland.
20:17They flew in on private jets.
20:18They didn't know each other.
20:19One sat at that baccarat table and one sat at that baccarat table
20:22and we did well.
20:23And I said, do you mind me asking what a good night for the house is?
20:25And he went, yeah, they played, they both played for four hours
20:28and we were up 24 million.
20:30Oh!
20:31Wow.
20:36I want to thank you for teaching me baccarat.
20:38I've always wondered when I went by the tables how you played that.
20:42It's really interesting.
20:43And you don't play it is what you're teaching us.
20:45Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:46Because, Gloria, you've played Vegas.
20:47Did you not do any of the gambling things?
20:49Did you just perform?
20:50I like a little bit of blackjack.
20:52I'll do that for a little bit.
20:54But I like the penny machine.
20:56OK.
20:57I'll sit there for hours with the drum machine all alone
21:00with the little thing, yeah.
21:01And what's it like performing in Vegas?
21:03So the audience is...
21:04When I perform in Vegas, I am stuck in my room with 27 humidifiers.
21:08I cannot leave.
21:10Because of the dryness, we're not meant to sing in a desert.
21:13Yeah, yeah.
21:14It's really rough.
21:15But, yeah, it's brutal on performers.
21:17How long were you there?
21:18I was there for a 10-day stint in Celine's Theatre
21:21before she opened because I was rehearsing for my tour.
21:25And I was...
21:26Everybody having fun, having a great old time,
21:28and I was up there, like, breathing in humidity.
21:31Because, Julia, you obviously made Ocean's Eleven in Vegas.
21:34Yes.
21:35Which must be...
21:36I mean, the three of you and the rest of you in real casinos,
21:40was it just a nightmare to make that film?
21:42No, it was pretty fun.
21:44Do they shut things down completely?
21:46No, no.
21:47Oh!
21:48Just little areas, just little sections.
21:50But weren't just crowds gathering to watch the filming?
21:54Yes and no, because, you know, people come to gamble,
21:57that's what they want to do.
21:59Yeah.
22:00So, in a way, they're not really paying attention to what's...
22:03It's like, oh, a movie seems insignificant to trying to win $24 million.
22:08Or losing.
22:09Or losing.
22:10Or losing.
22:11And are you confirmed for...
22:14I think George Clooney just confirmed that there's Ocean's 14.
22:17Yeah, I guess he did.
22:19I mean, I just heard that too.
22:20Oh, OK.
22:21I just...
22:22Yeah.
22:23I mean, I've talked to...
22:24We've all talked about it, but I didn't realise he was going to be confirmed.
22:31Put the cell phone down, George.
22:33I'll be texting.
22:34I mean, I'm just hearing about the artificial environment.
22:36That's the thing that scares me the most about it.
22:38Not just the addiction and the kind of pursuit of,
22:40oh, this time I'll win as you keep losing more and more,
22:42but also just the fact that you are hermetically sealed
22:45in an oxygen-pumped chamber in a desert, just burning money.
22:50It just...
22:51The whole thing seems like a nightmare, a fever dream,
22:53which is what the film was on.
22:54Yeah, no, it really is.
22:55But don't you always think, in fact, for this, you know, for fun,
22:59for a fun...
23:00No-one looks like they're having fun.
23:01Everyone's just shuffling around, because they've lost all the money
23:04they've bought in an hour, and now they're here for another two days.
23:07I do.
23:08LAUGHTER
23:10Vegas is great to go with your...
23:11You know, it was one thing when I was 22 or three,
23:13but to go now with my kids, which I have done for the last few years,
23:16and you go and see a Cirque du Soleil show,
23:18you get a steak dinner, and then you let your six-year-old walk around,
23:22you know, Las Vegas Boulevard at one o'clock in the morning,
23:25and he just thinks the world is his.
23:27Wait, you didn't say you're six-year-old?
23:29Yeah, but I didn't go with him.
23:30I let him have space, I let him go...
23:32LAUGHTER
23:33LAUGHTER
23:35I was...
23:36OK.
23:37Yeah.
23:38No, I mean, I...
23:39I was holding his hand.
23:41He was tagged, it was all right.
23:43Yeah, it was...
23:44It got him to count.
23:45LAUGHTER
23:46There was no G-strings on stilts or anything, you know?
23:49Yeah.
23:50It was all very family-oid.
23:52Good, clean, family fun.
23:53Good, clean, family fun.
23:54Well, listen, just a reminder that Ballad of a Small Player
23:57is coming to cinemas and on Netflix.
23:59Meanwhile, Benedict Cumberbatch brings us an extraordinary piece
24:02of work.
24:03It's called The Thing with Feathers.
24:05It's in UK and Ireland cinemas from the 21st of November.
24:10So, this is Max Porter's famous book about grief,
24:13but that's kind of... It's about more than that,
24:16and yet that is what it's about.
24:17That is very much what it's about.
24:18I mean, it's a portrait of a family,
24:21a father who loses his wife very suddenly,
24:23and two boys in the year that they spend in the aftermath
24:27of that chaos and what grief does and how it manifests.
24:31And in this imagining, it manifests itself as a crow.
24:36And it's based on Max Porter's award-winning novel
24:40where he...
24:41This man is a Ted Hughes scholar,
24:43so it's about a group of his poems called The Crow.
24:45And in this one, he's an illustrator,
24:47so it's about the manifestation of this illustrator's imagination
24:50becoming real and manifest between the three of them.
24:54And the crow is more than a kind of an image.
24:58The crow is a character.
24:59The crow is a character.
25:00It was a real man called Eric who is on stilts with an animatronic head
25:04and a sort of cloaky thing with a weird arm shape that's half humanoid
25:09and a lot crow and claw.
25:12But this amazing, very heavy head and beak.
25:15And it's David Thewlis's voice in the film, the final film.
25:19Wow.
25:20Well, in the clip, we see you playing Dad,
25:22and it's one of your encounters with Crow,
25:24but here we just hear the voice,
25:26as you say, David Thewlis's voice.
25:31Doctor?
25:32Doctor, I think I'm being followed by a crow.
25:35You're not fucking real.
25:37help.
25:43Doctor?
25:44Love!
25:45Don't waste yourusal9s
25:46Doctor!
25:59You're not real!
26:02Don't waste your analyse.
26:07HE SIGHS
26:09HE SIGHS
26:11HE SIGHS
26:13HE SIGHS
26:15HE SIGHS
26:17HE SIGHS
26:19APPLAUSE
26:25Thank you. Thank you.
26:27You know, not surprisingly, it is a very moving film.
26:31It's a very moving film.
26:33The little boys, we didn't see them there, who play your sons,
26:36they're so little.
26:38And I just... How can you cast...
26:40You know, because they might have been very good on the afternoon
26:43when you met them, but you're with them for a long time.
26:46How do you know they're going to be any good?
26:48Dylan Southern, who's the director and also the writer,
26:50he's the visionary behind this film adaptation of the book.
26:53And he...
26:54In the audition process, they were the only ones he really, really wanted.
26:58And when I went in to do a test with them,
27:00I came out and go...
27:02I'm scared. I'm actually scared.
27:05It was... It was so dangerous.
27:07They're not actors.
27:08They're untrained.
27:09They're two seven-year-old...
27:10And they're brothers.
27:11They're twins.
27:12The purity of their vulnerability was the scary thing?
27:14No, just the fact that they are...
27:15Children?
27:16..mental and out of control.
27:17Yeah, no...
27:18LAUGHTER
27:19You know, they were fighting each other.
27:21They were throwing insults at me.
27:23They were tearing round the room.
27:24Oh, wow!
27:25Yeah, but they are extraordinary.
27:27They really are.
27:28And Richard, who's the slightly older one, by seconds to Henry,
27:33is sort of preternaturally old soul.
27:36He looks older, even though they are seconds apart in birth.
27:39And there were two moments that I remember very chiefly,
27:42how we kind of got through it and can't quite believe we did it.
27:45One moment when I'm telling them, their mothers died,
27:47and Richard just found it unbelievably funny from...
27:51LAUGHTER
27:53He just came towards her...
27:55LAUGHTER
27:57Everyone's a critic.
27:59And then, you know, eventually he got into it and I said,
28:02I think, you know, because you're upset,
28:04you might want to just sort of allow me to just cuddle.
28:07I think we should have a huddle here.
28:08I think this is kind of a cuddle moment.
28:09He went, no.
28:10LAUGHTER
28:11No, I don't like cuddles.
28:12I don't like colours.
28:13Well, can we just... just this once, just this once.
28:16He did it.
28:17And during the take, he whispered in my ear like this,
28:20he was like,
28:21You owe me big time.
28:23LAUGHTER
28:28It was unbelievable.
28:29Oh, my God.
28:30I adore them.
28:31I mean, what a thing to go through.
28:32And, yeah, they were amazing.
28:34They are amazing.
28:35Because, Julia, have you worked with children that...
28:37Untrained kind of little kids that...
28:39I mean, in Erin Brockovich, I had three children.
28:42Yeah.
28:43And one of them was, like, a baby.
28:45Or was that multiple babies?
28:46One was a baby.
28:47There were two babies.
28:48There were twin babies.
28:49Yeah, there's the baby.
28:50Oh, yeah.
28:51Yeah, yeah.
28:52And they were all great.
28:53And the two babies were wonderful until one of the babies I had in my arms for a scene
29:00where there's...
29:01I'm filling up a pot with water and there's a cockroach or something appears.
29:06And I dropped the pot, the loud pot, and it scared the baby and the baby started crying.
29:11Which was fine and great and appropriate.
29:13Good acting on the baby's part.
29:14Yeah.
29:15Good choice.
29:16And...
29:17But then she became the crying baby.
29:19Because any time she came to me, she was like, scary pot lady.
29:24She's still crying somewhere in the world.
29:27And so she truly was the crying baby from that time.
29:31Wow.
29:32I think for maybe the rest of the show, I still feel bad.
29:35Talking of crying, I have to say, you know, actors often talk about how taking...
29:39doing difficult roles, you take it home with you and it's hard to take off.
29:43But because of the amount of crying in this film...
29:46Yeah.
29:47Like, just in terms of headaches and that kind of terrible tight head you get from crying,
29:50you must have had all of that.
29:52Drunk a lot of water, yeah.
29:53Yeah.
29:54Do you do a lot of crying?
29:55Quite a bit in this, yeah.
29:56And it's, you know, when there are three different set-ups and you're doing it eight times in each
30:00and, you know, those kind of extremes you hopefully only ever have once or twice at most hopefully in your life.
30:06I wish it on nobody, but, you know, we all go through it and it's a very important part of why I was proud
30:10to make a small independent film about this subject.
30:13We don't talk about it much, we don't deal with it very well in life and especially as men,
30:17to be able to talk about it and deal with it, which is what Max's work is about what the film honours.
30:21And so I'm not going to sit here and bemoan the fact that I had to cry a few times
30:25because the real thing's much worse, but, yeah, you go through it a lot.
30:28Yeah, and also, is it easier, actors discuss, is it easier to cry if you're going to a very dark place
30:36like grief and losing someone or is it easy to cry in, like, a rom-com,
30:41like, say, at the end of Notting Hill, squeezing out a tear with you, Grant?
30:46Did I? Yeah, you did. When? Why?
30:49During I'm Just a Girl. Oh, yeah.
30:52You did it! I did! No, you're absolutely right!
30:57Oh, that!
31:02Probably one of the most famous moments in the history of romantic comedy.
31:05Is it very hard to produce tears at a moment like that, where it's happy and light?
31:11No, I mean, I think when anything is authentic, obviously what Benedict is talking about
31:16is so deep and profound and dark and bleak, but if you, if I attach myself to it in a sweet, truthful way,
31:27I mean, that was just, I mean, it was a beautiful scene and beautiful words to say
31:33and obviously touching to me. Yeah.
31:37And that's how I portrayed it, but that's a very different place that you're in.
31:41Yeah. You know tears have actual stress molecules in them. Is that right?
31:46Yes, they do, and coming out is you are releasing stress and pain,
31:51so that's why they say cry it out, because it really works.
31:54I think you're lovely. The idea about this film and that we don't talk about grief enough,
31:58it's a huge thing, and that we don't talk about death.
32:01Like, I know that sounds, of course, obviously more, but the word... Chat show, Colin.
32:05Chat show. Chat show.
32:07We don't talk about death.
32:10It's springtime for it.
32:13I have a question for Ben. Oh, thank you.
32:15Julia, please. Thank you.
32:17When you're making this movie and then you go home to your beautiful wife
32:21and your boys, like, how do you sustain?
32:25I mean, are you, do you just want to be joyful and happy with them,
32:30or do you feel like you have to kind of maintain a bit of quietness? No.
32:34Or you just put it all away? No, no, no, I let go.
32:36It's enough to leave it on the dance floor and then go back and do it.
32:38Yeah. Yeah.
32:39It's a car journey in and a car journey back and that's it.
32:41Yeah.
32:42Those are the transitional moments and the older I get, the easier that is, especially with a family that...
32:47I remember you crying in August, Osage County and it's when you come off the bus to Chris Cooper and it is such a beautiful scene.
32:55Oh.
32:56You've missed my dad's funeral and it is such a beautiful, sweet, touching...
33:02Little Charles.
33:03It's such a great scene.
33:05You're a very good Benedict.
33:06Oh, well, Julie Roberts, so are you.
33:08Well, now, no crying, only celebration.
33:19Because Gloria Estefan, she has made a new album.
33:23Yes, she has.
33:25It's called Raices.
33:30Beautifully done.
33:31Is it right?
33:32Yes.
33:33Luca Guadagnino.
33:34Yes.
33:35OK.
33:36Raices?
33:37Yeah, I think I've got it here.
33:38Yes.
33:39And unless people have been lying to me, Raices means roots.
33:42Roots.
33:43Absolutely.
33:44And this is your 30th album.
33:4630th album.
33:47Yes.
33:49I didn't count them.
33:50But here's the thing, Gloria, it's your first album in Spanish for nearly two decades.
33:57Yes.
33:58So why, I suppose, why wait and why now?
34:01Well, it's kind of full circle, but it all converged in this year somehow.
34:04We didn't plan it that way.
34:06But I wanted, I thought particularly now, it was important to sing in Spanish.
34:11It's a very autobiographical record of Emilio's and my love story.
34:16He wrote his own love song for himself that I was to sing.
34:21And it's talking about who we are, our culture, that we need to really keep alive who we are from wherever we come.
34:29And I happen to come from Cuba.
34:31I have Spanish roots.
34:32And I wanted to recreate that picture of my mum and me and that picture on the table.
34:38That's where we lived when we first left Cuba when I was two years old.
34:42Wow.
34:43So I recreated it because my mum's in me, there's my grandmother and my great-grandmother are in the picture, in the picture.
34:49Wow.
34:50Oh, yes.
34:51Yeah, yeah, yeah, down the air.
34:52So it's a lot of fun, too.
34:53It's a lot of salsa.
34:54I love singing that.
34:55Yeah.
34:56He invited me to do Bemba Colora, which was a Celia Cruz record, and I remembered how much I love this genre.
35:02So when Emilio brought this song to me, which is a gorgeous song, talking about the things that really matter, family, love, nature, I told him I want to do a tropical album with a lot of really, you know, dance beats and salsa and fun stuff.
35:17And that's what we've done on top of, you know, a couple of real romantic things.
35:20Yeah.
35:21Can't get away from that.
35:22Well, as you say, roots refers to not just culture, but also family.
35:25And that's all reflected in this clip from the video of the title track, Raises.
35:30El tiempo pasa y nunca vuelve y si aprovechas ese amor, siempre alegría de tu alma y esa es una gran bendición.
35:42T smells, hay que saber sembrar.
35:47So sweet.
36:11I directed and edited the videos for the thing.
36:15And the other video, Vecina, about the nosy neighbor,
36:18I shot in the place where I lived with my mom.
36:20With your mom?
36:21Yes.
36:21Yeah, no, we really enjoyed doing this.
36:24And music, I sing since I talk.
36:26So it just came with me.
36:28And I feel so blessed and privileged.
36:30Thank you, everybody that has ever listened,
36:33bought any of my music.
36:35You make my life so wonderful.
36:37I appreciate you.
36:39I love you.
36:40And I feel so, so blessed and privileged to make music.
36:44It's a magical thing.
36:45And in the past, we've talked about your special honor.
36:48You had, is it the Miami...
36:50The Sand Machine Boulevard is where we used to live.
36:53My sister lives there now.
36:55Oh, there you are.
36:56You know, people would steal that sign.
36:58I'd be in Hawaii and somebody's holding up the street sign.
37:02And it got expensive, so now they made it smaller.
37:04But now, apparently...
37:07I have my own way.
37:09Gloria Estefan Way will be...
37:11Oh, it's not open yet.
37:12No, it's inaugurated on Monday.
37:13This Monday the 13th, my lucky number.
37:16And it's right alongside the hotel that Emilio and I have owned
37:19for almost three decades on Ocean Drive.
37:21The Cardozo Historic.
37:23Hole in the Head was filmed there, Frank Sinatra.
37:26Something about Mary, that famous scene with the chel.
37:30With the chel.
37:31Yeah.
37:32Was filmed there in our bar.
37:34And, yeah, there's a lot of history.
37:36Oh, Birdcage, also shot in that hotel.
37:39Wow.
37:39Yeah.
37:40And now it's Gloria Estefan Way.
37:41Yes, it's a little way, like me.
37:44But, yeah, I'm thrilled, you know?
37:48Well, get yourself down, Gloria Estefan Way.
37:51And love you having me back and congratulations on the new album.
37:54Raises is out now.
37:57Well, I think we're all in the mood for some more music now,
38:00so it's time for tonight's performance.
38:01This British pop icon has had the most UK number one albums
38:05of any solo artist.
38:07Here performing his new single, Pretty Face,
38:09it is Robbie Williams!
38:11APPLAUSE
38:12Here we go, here we go, here I go with you.
38:28What I know, I don't know, but I doubt it.
38:31You're the reason why I'm the man I am today.
38:47You're the reason why I see myself this way.
38:55Such a pretty face
38:57She's everything I love about
39:06Everything I love about this world
39:11She's got it
39:14Such a pretty face
39:17She's got it
39:18She's everything I love about
39:21Everything I love about this world
39:26Here we are, here we are
39:30And here we will stay
39:32I'm with you, you're with me
39:34To judgement day
39:35I'm in love, I'm in love
39:36I'm in love, I'm in love with you
39:38I'm in love with you
39:40You
39:42You're the reason why
39:46You're the reason why
39:48I'm the man I am today
39:51You're the reason why
39:53You're the reason why
39:55I see myself this way
39:56I see myself this way
39:59Such a pretty face
40:02Such a pretty face
40:06She's everything I love about
40:10Everything I love about this world
40:14Such a pretty face
40:16She's got it
40:18Such a pretty face
40:21She's everything I love about
40:25Everything I love about this world
40:30I for one agree
40:33You're the best I've seen
40:37I'll give you everything
40:41And what's left of me
40:45Such a pretty face
40:47She's got it
40:49Such a pretty face
40:51She's got it
40:53She's everything I love about
40:57Everything I love about this world
41:01Such a pretty face
41:03She's got it
41:05Such a pretty face
41:07She's got it
41:09She's got it
41:11She's got it
41:13She's got it
41:14Everything I love about this world
41:16Hello
41:18Hello
41:21Hello
41:23Hello
41:25Hello
41:27Hello, hello, hello
41:32You know I'll always be
41:36Looking at you quick
41:40But the biggest prize
41:44Is what's behind those eyes
41:47Oh
41:54Mr. Robbie Williams, everybody!
41:58And his band!
42:00Come on over, Robbie!
42:03Thank you so much for that.
42:06It was terrific.
42:07Thank you so much.
42:08Thank you very much.
42:10Hello, Gloria.
42:12Benedict, Paul and Julia.
42:14That is Robbie Williams.
42:16There you go.
42:23Robbie Williams, who do you know on the couch?
42:25Uh, no, everybody from watching them on the tally.
42:27OK, that's good.
42:29And Julia Roberts.
42:30Oh, my God, I can't...
42:32I've watched Pretty Woman six times in a row.
42:35What?
42:36And at the end of the sixth time, I was like,
42:38one day I will take a prostitute shop in.
42:41Oh!
42:43And I did some banking.
42:47That's a...
42:48Wow!
42:49That's a lovely story, Robbie.
42:50That's...
42:51That's really lovely.
42:54So, that song, that is off the new album Britpop,
42:59which is out in February.
43:01February 2026.
43:04APPLAUSE
43:06And...
43:07So, the idea of Britpop, you're referencing your appearance
43:10at Glastonbury here.
43:12Yes.
43:13In 1995, I was in a boy band.
43:15You auditioned for a boy band, didn't you?
43:17Tell us about it, yeah.
43:18Yeah.
43:19Didn't go well.
43:20You know, it did, did it?
43:21There was two dead mics and they wouldn't let me have one of them.
43:23Maybe it did go well.
43:25I was in Take That and we were a lily white pop band, a boy band.
43:30Mm-hm.
43:31And at the time there was sort of, you know, uncool, naffness,
43:35that kind of thing.
43:36And then Glastonbury was the height of militant indiness.
43:41And people like me shouldn't go there.
43:44Doesn't it?
43:45This thing doesn't exist anymore.
43:46But in 1995, and also, there was a lot of rules in the boy band.
43:50I wasn't allowed to do anything, really.
43:52And then, uh...
43:53Stuck by that, didn't you, Robbie?
43:54Yeah, I did, yeah.
43:56For both of us.
43:57Yeah, yeah.
43:58So, anyway, and then one day, because we weren't allowed to go
44:01to clubs or things like that, and we weren't allowed to go
44:04to festivals, and then one day I was just not having it.
44:08When I realised that they couldn't fire me anymore,
44:10when we were, like, too popular to be fired, I was like,
44:13I can do anything I like now, and I'm going to.
44:17So I turned up at Glastonbury in 1995,
44:20and a lot of people were like, what are you doing here?
44:23And I was like, well, I'm having it, aren't I?
44:25That's what I'm doing here.
44:26But then inside there's the album, there's this blue plaque that...
44:29So did you make this blue plaque?
44:31What's it say?
44:32This is the one...
44:33And then I'll decide if I did it or not.
44:34This is the one that was put up in...
44:36Yes, I did.
44:37Was this up in Glastonbury this year?
44:39Yes, it was.
44:40So I think we've got a picture.
44:41This is the blue plaque.
44:42It's up in Glastonbury.
44:43And it's basically,
44:44Robin Williams entered this area without accreditation,
44:46authorisation or alignment with prevailing taste.
44:49His presence was uninvited, unofficial and ultimately inevitable.
44:53Yes, I wrote that.
44:56Yeah.
44:57APPLAUSE
44:58Were you at Glastonbury this year?
45:01No, but everybody thought I was.
45:03So for like, when that went up for 24 hours, my phone was blowing up.
45:06We know you're here.
45:07We know you're doing the secret performance.
45:09We've seen you in the healing field.
45:11What time are you on?
45:12And I was in Belgium.
45:13So it was fun to take over Glastonbury and not actually be there.
45:17And I'd like to announce on the TV tonight that I'm playing Glastonbury next year.
45:22APPLAUSE
45:24Yeah.
45:25That's what we got on next year, isn't it?
45:29No, I'm still going to play it though.
45:31OK.
45:32Yeah, so I'm going to...
45:34Like it or not.
45:35Like it or not.
45:36Because they haven't asked me since 1998, so I'm going to go do it anyway.
45:40OK.
45:41So I'm going to turn up in a truck and then put the side down and then do half an hour.
45:45Nice.
45:46Like a carny.
45:47Yeah.
45:48Are you going to tell anyone you're there?
45:50No.
45:51OK.
45:52No, but I am doing it.
45:53There's people between us.
45:55Yeah, yeah.
45:56This is very quickly, European stadium tour was your summer and everything, huge.
46:01Now, next year, you're going out with this album to proper small venues where, like,
46:06there'll be a frenzy for these tickets.
46:08Like you're playing Barrowlands, Liverpool Olympia, Brixton Academy.
46:12I mean, these are small venues for you.
46:13When was the last time you played venues like that?
46:16Um, in 1997, I think, was the last time that I had to do that.
46:22LAUGHTER
46:23What's the thinking?
46:24Thankfully, I'm choosing to.
46:26This is not where my career is at, everybody.
46:29What is the thinking?
46:30Well, actually, uh, so it's maybe 30 years now since I put out the first album,
46:36live through a lens, so what I'm going to do is I'm just going to play my first album
46:40from beginning to end and then make them listen to my new album too,
46:44which I will also play from beginning to end.
46:47I'm just suckering them in, really.
46:49LAUGHTER
46:50I'll tell you this, but then I'll hit you over the head with this new stuff that I'll make you listen to.
46:54And very good it will be.
46:56Listen, you always put on a fantastic performance.
46:58Thank you so much for that.
47:00Robbie Williams, everybody.
47:01CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
47:04Eh, that is nearly it.
47:06But here we go.
47:07It's just the time for a visit to the big red chair.
47:10You've been in the chair now, Robbie.
47:11Yes, I have.
47:12It's not as far back as you think it's been.
47:14No, no.
47:15I thought, yeah.
47:16Hello.
47:17Hi, how's it going?
47:18And what's your name?
47:19I'm Ben.
47:20Ben.
47:21And where are you from, Ben?
47:22I'm from Limerick in Ireland.
47:23Lovely.
47:24Loving Limerick.
47:25And what do you do in Limerick, Ben?
47:27Well, I'm living here full-time now.
47:28Oh, right.
47:29Working in construction.
47:30Oh, right.
47:31When did you come over?
47:32This time last year.
47:33How's it going?
47:34Very well.
47:35OK, Ben.
47:36Going very well.
47:37Off you go with the story, Ben.
47:39Right, so it was around Covid time when all the regulations started easing up
47:45and you could start going drinking in hotels again.
47:47So me and my friend had a great idea.
47:49We'd book into a hotel in Limerick where we both lived
47:52and we'd stay there so we could go on the beer for the night.
47:55Basically, the hotel we were in, our friend was working there as well
48:00and he was very, very heavy-handed with the portions he was giving us.
48:03So the last thing I remember is walking out of the front door of the hotel
48:08and the next thing I remember is an absolute banshee scream
48:12and I woke up, looked around me, I was in a tiny box
48:16and I look out the little hole, I see my mother looking in at me.
48:19I was asleep in my dog's kennel out the back garden.
48:22LAUGHTER
48:23We love Ben.
48:24You can walk, Ben.
48:25You can walk.
48:26Well done, Ben.
48:27APPLAUSE
48:28All right, that really is all we've got tonight.
48:31If you'd like to have a go and spread, share yourself and tell your story,
48:34you've got that via our website at this very address.
48:36Please say a huge thank you to all of my guests.
48:39Robbie Williams!
48:40APPLAUSE
48:41Gloria Esteban!
48:42APPLAUSE
48:43Benedict Cumberbatch!
48:45APPLAUSE
48:46Colin Farrell!
48:47APPLAUSE
48:48And Julia Roberts!
48:49APPLAUSE
48:50Do join me next week with Florence and the Machine, Tessa Thompson,
48:52Oscar winner Jennifer Lawrence, Jeremy Allen White and the boss himself,
48:54Bruce Springsteen.
48:55I'll see you then, good afternoon, bye-bye!
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48:58Alan Partridge wants to know the state of the nation's mental health.
49:01Press red to join him on his journey on BBC iPlayer.
49:04on BBC iPlayer.
49:05I'll see you then, good afternoon, bye-bye!
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