Assembly election: Will EBC vote decide Bihar's future?

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This edition of 5 Live examines the escalating political battle in Bihar to woo the state's crucial 36% Extremely Backward Classes (EBC) vote bank ahead of the assembly elections.

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00:00The war for Jan Nayak's legacy

00:10kicks off the Prime Minister's Bihar poll plaque.

00:30Nitish to lead NDA asserts PM Modi.

00:50India today gets you the mood on Ground Zero with Mariya live from Battleground Bihar.

01:20Good evening. Welcome to this special broadcast where I'm coming to you live from in front

01:28of the Bihar Legislative Assembly.

01:31It's the battle for this place.

01:32243 seats in Bihar will go to polls over the next 12 days, starting on 6th and 11th.

01:41Today was the day when the Battle of Bihar fully, actually we can say, has heated up.

01:47The Prime Minister was in Samastipur.

01:50The significance of that place cannot be missed, viewers.

01:54It is the hometown of Jan Nayak Karpuri Thakur.

01:59Remember that public meeting coming a day after Tejasvi Yadav-led Mahagadbandan

02:05announced the name of Mukesh Saani as the Deputy Chief Minister's candidate.

02:12So certainly today was the big message coming in for the EBC voters.

02:17It's the fight for the EBC voters, which has now started in Battleground Bihar.

02:23Who will really have an upper hand on that count?

02:27Today was also the day when Tejasvi Yadav was campaigning along with other Mahagadbandan partners,

02:34sending a message of unity after weeks of confusion that played within the Mahagadbandan.

02:40Joining me on this special broadcast here at the Bihar Assembly is,

02:45I'm going to begin with Sajjan Kumar, political analyst.

02:48Joining me right here, we have Utpal Vallabh of the RJD,

02:52Gyan Ranjan of the Congress.

02:53On my left, Mahesh Das of the JDU and Manish from the BJP.

02:58Before I bring in the guests, let's listen in to what the Prime Minister said today.

03:03A day after the Mahagadbandan made a bold move announcing Mukesh Saani as its Deputy Chief Minister face,

03:15the political battle in Bihar has reached a fever pitch.

03:18Prime Minister Narendra Modi launched his campaign from Samastipur,

03:25paying homage to the first EBC Chief Minister, Karpuri Thakur.

03:31At Karpuri Graham, Thakur's birthplace,

03:34Modi met the socialist leader's family toward a model hut depicting his struggles.

03:43In his speech at a rally,

03:44the Prime Minister warned that the Congress was attempting to steal the legacy of the revered Jannayak.

03:50Now Khadrisman is like a fear for the Chane of Jannayak.

03:58They were in the是啊 of the flu.

04:03For people of Bihar,

04:06they will never beruin within people with this abandonment.

04:12ibi of Karpuri babu.

04:13So why do the extremely backward classes or the EBCs matter in Bihar?

04:22EBCs consist of 125 castes and make up 36% of Bihar's total population.

04:29The EBCs are capable of swinging key constituencies in Mithila, Maghad and Simanchal.

04:35Analysts point out that while the EBC community has historically backed Nitish Kumar,

04:40their fragmented votes makes them unpredictable.

04:45Meanwhile, Tejasvi Yadav yet again questioned who would lead Bihar if the NDA wins,

04:50claiming Nitish Kumar might not become the chief minister.

05:10Prime Minister Modi on Friday reaffirmed that NDA will get a historic mandate,

05:18this time under Nitish's leadership.

05:20Amid the differences and drama in the Mahagat Bandhan,

05:45Congress has claimed that Sahni would not be the sole deputy chief minister

05:48if the opposition alliance comes to power,

05:51asserting that the party would also make its deputy chief minister.

05:57Mukesh Thani would be one of the deputy chief ministers.

06:00We will have deputy chief ministers from the Congress, there is no doubt about that.

06:04It's just that we will wait until after the elections before we decide who it is going to be.

06:09With alliances clashing and Bihar's decisive EBC vote bank in play,

06:15the stage is set for an electrifying electoral showdown.

06:19With Maria Shakil in Patna, Bureau Report, India Today.

06:22So, who hasn't has an upper hand in this battle for Bihar?

06:31Before I bring in the politicians and expect the expected replies,

06:36let me bring in Sajjan.

06:37Sajjan, the message is that the EBCs matter.

06:40This is an election which is being fought now for the EBCs of Bihar,

06:45the 36% EBC population, which is the deciding vote bank in this election.

06:50Sajjan, so where do you place your bet right now as we look at elections just a few days from now?

06:57Yes, look, from the EBCs' vantage point,

07:00when we talk about EBCs, we should remember that there are around 125 to 130 castes scattered across Bihar.

07:08And certainly, individually, they do not matter.

07:11But their social location as located among the dominant communities, dominant caste,

07:18wherein they do not express their preference as vocally, as the dominant caste and people from within those communities speak.

07:26So, therefore, their silence many a times also has to be read.

07:29Right?

07:30So, that is why when you look from EBC's vantage point, overwhelmingly what you find?

07:35Do you see that they have a sense of fatigue, Vijavi Nithish Kumar?

07:39To some extent, maybe.

07:41Right?

07:42But, the another necessary condition is, do they want Nithish out and do they want Tejasvi in?

07:49And therein we see that they still have their trust, you know, with Nithish Kumar.

07:54They are not yet willing to cross the Rubicon and pose their trust in Tejasvi Yadav.

08:00That is why I think that overwhelming number of OBC's, because of their material scheme-centric benefit and law and under relative plank,

08:09they are likely to stand and endorse Nithish Kumar and certainly NDA.

08:14So, is there a sense now that the Prime Minister's presence in Samastipur was a clear answer now that as far as the backward classes in Bihar are concerned,

08:26it is the JDU which has made that effort in reaching out to this class, particularly to ensure that they get the benefits of the state.

08:38So, what do you think is that the Prime Minister's presence in Bihar has made a message in Bihar?

08:48So, Bihar has made a message in Bihar, some days before, there was a title of Bihar's presence in Bihar.

08:55So, Bihar has made a message in Bihar's presence in Bihar.

08:58So, Bihar has made a message in Bihar's presence in Bihar.

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09:33which places have been made it for opening forgiveness,

09:36Thank you very much.

10:06Then the question is, then what is really the purpose of this announcement?

10:11Will you be able to ensure that it trickles down?

10:14Or is the announcement of a potential EBC Deputy Chief Minister coming too late?

10:21See, it's never too late in the politics.

10:23What believes is that we have already started the campaign since February only.

10:27And you just come to know that we became the voice of Viceless here in Bihar.

10:30What he did, we had addressed the issue of the people of Bihar

10:36and they are fighting this time.

10:38I mind you, I am repeating this word that the Bihar is going to fight for their right,

10:42their basic right, right of education and the right of medical issues.

10:46If you know for everything, they have to run away from the Bihar to other cities

10:49like the capital, India capital Delhi.

10:51So what we have seen that we have moved across the Bihar.

10:55We have issued the, you have addressed the issue of the people

10:58and we came to know that what are the things.

11:01That's why that India Gadbandhan has bring that EBC Sankalpatra

11:05and it is being majorly discussed among the political parties.

11:08So let's talk about the EBC Sankalpatra.

11:10Unko maik dije.

11:13If the India Gadbandhan or Mahagadbandhan in Bihar

11:17is coming up with a decisive roadmap for the EBCs,

11:22don't you feel that that can put you on the back foot?

11:25All this messaging is all right.

11:27You know, you can say that you have an OBC Chief Minister, Anitish Kumar.

11:31The Prime Minister himself is from the OBC community.

11:35But when it is about the extreme backward classes in the context of Bihar,

11:39they have more representation than the OBCs.

11:43Good evening to you and all my co-panelists.

11:47I think this question doesn't come up because the first person who really,

11:52or the organization, the party, which really looked at EBC as a separate group

11:57that needed to be empowered, that was BJP and JDU.

12:02Otherwise, during what I call Tootbandhan, because it is no more a Gatbandhan.

12:08They are fighting against each other.

12:10They are fighting with each other.

12:11It was never the case.

12:13It was only when this India government came,

12:17is when people started looking at these castes

12:20and they understood that they were really, you know,

12:23not so empowered politically as well as economically.

12:27And therefore, the schemes that were made were tailor-made for them.

12:31And that is how you now see that they have been able to reach the levels

12:35at which they should have been, at par with the rest of the people.

12:38But what about political representation?

12:40See, there has been a massive political representation.

12:42People were talking about Mr. Sahni.

12:44We have in BJP three very prominent leaders who are Sahni.

12:49And in JDU also, one of the ministers is Mr. Sahni.

12:52Are any of them Deputy Chief Ministers?

12:54See, let's understand that when it comes to Deputy Chief Minister,

12:58it's a non-constitutional post, right?

13:01Okay.

13:01So you are offering a non-constitutional post to a...

13:04Yeah, it is never in the constitution also.

13:06It is just a signal, right?

13:07So it's essentially symbolism.

13:09It is non-constitutional post.

13:10There is no matter of that.

13:11It is not a matter of that.

14:11Let's look at the candidates.

14:18You know, Sajjan, you would have studied the overall, you know, candidates coming in from various castes.

14:26So let's look at that now.

14:28Mahagat Bandhan versus NDA.

14:30Who do you think has given more tickets to the EBCs?

14:34Oh, certainly. You see, JDU and RJD first.

14:37So JDU out of 101 seats has given around 22 EBCs, right?

14:44Which is 22% or something.

14:47If you take that in RJD out of 143, they have given around 21.

14:52It may be one or two.

14:53So it's roughly the same.

14:54No, but it's out of 143, the ratio comes down.

14:57That's right.

14:58Right. So in terms of EBC representation, RJD lacks behind JDU.

15:02Then you say BJP.

15:04BJP this time has given around 15 EBCs out of 101.

15:10In percentage wide, it's closer to RJD, you know.

15:13So in terms of EBC, RJD and BJP in percentage are at par with each other.

15:17But Nitish Kumar still shines ahead, you know.

15:20So in terms of the representativeness, relatedness.

15:23Nitish is still ahead.

15:26So in that case, Nitish Kumar will be seen to be more sincere than the Mahagat Bandhan when it is about giving tickets, fielding those from the EBC community.

15:37Nitish Kumar, let JDU has done that more.

15:40Now the question is about what has been asked by Tejasfi Yadav that Nitish Kumar is not being treated well within the NDA and he has not been announced as the chief ministerial face.

15:56That in case if the NDA forms the government, Nitish Kumar will not be the chief ministerial.

16:03Then you look back and look howilate it.

16:06The Suryaikwar, this is the city council.

16:07I would like to speak too.

16:10This is the city council, that is the city council.

16:12The city council, should be the chief ministerial section,

16:15I was demandé.

16:17This is the city council, that is the city council.

16:19The city council, the President Paraswana,

16:20has been said to be the chief ministerial.

16:21The city council, the city council,

16:22The city council, the council council,

16:24and I am the chief minister,

16:26the сист важ for this.

16:28foreign

16:56kumar ji ne hi aap ko saad nahi pata hoga mandal commission ke report mein bhi lalu prasad yadav ji ebc ka koi category nahi lla chate

17:06leki nitish kumar ji ke jit ke karan unko bihar mein ketograiz karna pada aur adamiya nitish ji ne jis tarikai se

17:13socially, politically and economically jis tarikai se empowered

17:18extreme backward classes within the obc was a constituency created by nitish

17:24yes precisely it was a it was a constituency created by karpuri thakur based on mungeri lal commission

17:31nurtured and consolidated by nitish kumar in 1990s yes yes please please pass on the mic here in fact

17:38uh today also if you see uh prime minister's speech what he said in samastipur unho ne bada clear kia

17:44ki uh nitish ji ke leadership mein ye chunau lad rahe hai toh ye that question now ab to ye bilkul

17:50uh question he nahi rahe jata hai unho ne baut clear kar diya as bar ki unhi ke nitwirt mein hum log lad rai

17:56or wahi chief minister honge well it is very sad to tell again and again that they are saying that

18:01the nitish kumar will lead the gadbandan that is the same thing happened in the maharashtra and you

18:05see what is the result of uh sindeji so this people are they say now have declared the face of the

18:11maha gadbandan as a cm face where is the nda cm face and now you're talking about the ebc what

18:16is you are talking about the jan kapuri naya thakur when he has a majority of the government only 22

18:21months he has run and who has let down that government that john sang and this party have

18:25been uh yeah uh taken out the majority and the government has been collapsed and these people

18:30are talking about the respect given to the jan kapuri thakur i again repeat that these people are not

18:35ever supported my question is simple that you were in power for close to six decades seven decades yeah

18:46did you ensure that jan nayak gets a bharat ratna see this is what i'm trying to say here see we

18:54when the country uh got we got independence 1947 what do we have we have the main focus how the bihar moves

19:01and the that's the i'm telling you i'm telling you what is required that time when when our

19:22india got freedom we this bihar itself has got the fifth commission and raised the internalization

19:26policy this bihar was 27 percent sugar factories uh sugar cane uh production was giving that you

19:33are focusing on the empowerment and economic growth of the bihar and that will lead to the country even

19:40please don't disturb me please behave so that the bihar is one of the growing state and very ahead in

19:48the country what happened and these people only blame things do you know the actual basic the same

19:54thing happened in the 1990 when there was a bp singh government when they declared the mandal

19:58commission that this rss has people has and bjp has uh taken the majority from their support from

20:04the government and government toppled down they are never doing that and they only make false promises

20:08answered my question if it is about the fight for kapuri thakur's legacy see it is never too late for

20:15anything we have supported it and we are proud of it that kapuri thakur has done a lot of things

20:20from where all the gov all the parties are now focusing on their views and ideology can i add

20:26something yes please in fact jan nayak ka naam bhi olog chura ra hain whether rahul gandhi ko bhi jan nayak

20:32bhi toh title chor bhi hain they do not have any locust and eye when it talk when they talk about it

20:38see look at the comparison you are comparing nitish ji with a family which is known as a nepo family and a

20:45corrupt family recently he was uh you know two cases have been put against him and you were comparing

20:52you know this dude bandhan with nda government with a track record of nitish ji and bjp see at when

20:59i i can give you one small data so you will get shocked from 1980 to 1990 bihar's per capita income was

21:0710 000 that was constant during congress regime then from 1990 to 2005 it came down to 7 000 and then in

21:152000 grandly it became 12 000 from 2005 to 2025 from that 12 000 this is 66 000 that is the legacy

21:24broken behind money money you know the problem is that all of you keep talking about these numbers

21:30which technically make no sense in the context of bihar because bihar has to grow

21:35in comparison to other states why other states other states have grown and developed at a much

21:44faster pace bihar has not uh no no no no sir i will not give you any reason for giving me for giving me

21:50a data which is completely skewed no no no no i disagree with you this is not the right kind of

21:56assessment from you i'm i'm making the right assessment no no it's a wrong assessment you

22:01cannot just spread falsity you can't get zero from zero to one and you guys are making one comparison

22:05after tamil nadu

22:07bihar was second in gdsp what kind of data you are giving that's very false and very unfair on your part

22:13one moment you for last five years bihar has been in top four yes very good sir

22:18multi-dimensional poverty we can talk about that multi-dimensional

22:24other social parameters other social parameters also bihar is doing pretty well i think that

22:31that requires a different debate that's absolutely absolutely absolutely farcical argument no no it is

22:38not farcical i think you have lacked my understanding my question is my question is that yesterday came

22:45the announcement of uh of course of course murkesh sani as the deputy chief ministerial face now

22:53today has announced that there will be two more deputy chief ministers is there a sense within

23:00the maha gadbandhan that this announcement could impact only a very small percentage within the extreme

23:06backward classes because the mallas and the nishats are just 2.5 to 3 percent within the 36 percent

23:14so it will not be like a pan movement i mean that will be limited limited to just that percentage

23:20within the larger ebc umbrella it will be located within the larger ebc umbrella you know you

23:27foreign

23:57foreign

24:27foreign

24:41foreign

24:55What will they say about the real empowerment?

25:02Why do they have a basic law?

25:06Why do they have a basic law?

25:11Why do they have a basic law?

25:13This is not going to happen in the real empowerment.

25:17When it is about the real empowerment, giving them the power of pen, that is education, they have been deprived.

25:24This is not going to happen.

25:26How much of the literacy rate here is now?

25:31You will know that.

25:33In Bihar, you will reach every town.

25:36There will be a school.

25:38In every 5th grade, there was an education in 10 plus 2.

25:41During their time, there was an education.

25:44In 1995, Lalu Yadav had given a law in 1995.

25:48I don't know what he gave.

25:50What will they have given?

25:52Lalu Yadav ji 1995

25:53Jantadal Ke Netrit

25:54Lalu Yadav ji

25:56CM K

25:56Uss time Nara Diyat

25:58Hare Ek Paribar Ko

25:59Ek Naukari Dengay

26:00Or 300 Paribar Phe

26:01Ek Aspitaal Ki Vivasthah Dengay

26:03Or 15 Rupiah Me

26:04Dho Tis Aadhi Ka Vivasthah

26:06Karengay

26:06Lalu Yadav ji

26:07Serkara Me Bhi Aay

26:08Or Bihar Ko

26:10Jis Tarikas

26:10Tarikas

26:11Jangal Raja Me Dhakel Diyah

26:13Aparadik Raja Me Dhakel Diyah

26:15Loot Raja Me Dhakel Diyah

26:16Jatiyan Narasanghaar Me Dhakel Diyah

26:18Dharamik Narasanghaar Me Dhakel Diyah

26:20Kya?

26:21Ye Lalu Yadav ji Ka

26:22Sawaal Nahin Hoona Chahiya

26:24Jajasbhi Yadav ji

26:25Is Naukari Ki Baat Karate Hai

26:27Saito Woh Is Naukari Ke Patrata Bhi Hai

26:29Unki Bas Kya

26:29This Is The Problem

26:31When It Comes To The EBC And OBC

26:33These People Speak

26:34This Is The Language

26:35Why They Have A Stomach Ake

26:37When They Are Saying That

26:38Because They Understand The Language

26:40They Are The Basic Comfort They Are Trying To Give

26:42Because They Do Not Have Money To Eat And Earn

26:45That's Why They See Listen

26:46I Didn't I See

26:47I Didn't Have A Stomach Ata Mahes Ji

26:49Please

26:49I Didn't Have A Stomach Ata Mahes Ji

26:51I Didn't Have A Stomach Ata Mahes Ji

26:52See This Is The Basic Difference

26:53Between Their BGP And NDA Spokesperson

26:55When They Get Up On The Back Foot

26:57They Will Not Allow To Speak

26:58And This Is The Basic DNA Of Their NDA

27:01They Will Not Allow To Speak

27:02This Is Not Happening Here

27:03Only Even In The House

27:05See What Is Happening

27:06This Is The Question Of Empowerment Of EBC

27:09On The Economic Ground

27:10That's Why

27:11That's Why

27:12That's Why

27:13What Are You Doing

27:15See The Reservation

27:17They Claim That They Have Made The EBC

27:19It Was Declared By The Robbery Devi Government

27:21And This NITISHKUMAR

27:23Has Pulled The Support From That Time

27:24That's Why

27:25They Didn't Lagu That Time

27:26See I Can Tell You

27:27This Is The Ground Fact

27:28We Are Not Going To Go Back

27:29So This Is What I Am Saying

27:30This Is Maria Ji

27:31Let Me Come To One Sankalpat

27:33See Maria Ji

27:35Why I Contored

27:35Because They Are Claiming

27:36Different False Allegation

27:38Here

27:38That's Why I Brought This In The Figures

27:40Let Me Come To The EBC Sankalpat

27:43See Mahes Ji

27:43What Are You Doing

27:44See This EBC Sankalpat

27:48That Is What You Have Thought

27:49We Have Seen That

27:50What Is Basic Minimum Requirement

27:52Of The EBC

27:52So This Is

27:54What Are You Doing

27:54Man

27:55Ruk Jaiye

27:55Please

27:56See This Is What The Basic Sankalpat

27:58What You Have Done

27:58We Are Giving The Reservation

28:00To The EBC Section Of People

28:02To The Student

28:02For In The Private School

28:04We Are Trying To Empower Them

28:06Economically By Giving

28:0750% Reservation In Government

28:10Contracts Up To 25 Crore

28:12We Are Making New Commission

28:13To Take Care Of Their Welfare

28:15Activities

28:16And Not Only That

28:17I Minded Remember

28:18Apart From Anything That Happened

28:20They Are

28:21They Are Saying That

28:22They Are Saying

28:23They Are Saying That

28:25DPC Mr Post Is Unconstitutional

28:27Then Why The Two DPCM Are In NDA

28:30Why There Are Two DPCM Are In NDA

28:32Okay Let's Pass On The Mic Now

28:33Let's Pass On The Mic One Moment

28:35You Will Not Outshout Each Other

28:37That's Not How Debates Are Conducted Here

28:39Sajan

28:41The Question Is

28:42What Was Said By Mr Utpal Here

28:44That Late Karpuri Thakur

28:47Came From The Barber Community

28:49And The Barbers Again Are A Very Small

28:52Miniscule

28:53Miniscule

28:54Miniscule

28:54Perhaps Less Than The Nishads

28:56Less Than Nishads

28:56And Then He Became The Face Of The Entire EBC Mobilization

29:00In Bihar

29:01Yes Precisely

29:01If That Is The Case

29:03Then Why Shouldn't We Also Assume

29:05Based On The History

29:07That This Could Be The Turning Point In Bihar Elections

29:11The Announcement Of Mukesh Samir

29:12Let's See The Context

29:13You Know When Karpuri Thakur Was Projecting Himself

29:16Under The Leadership Of Lohia

29:21Karpuri Thakur Did Not You Know Projected Himself

29:24As The Son Of Barber Or Son Of The Nay

29:27Right

29:28He Was Projecting Himself As The Leader Of The Picharaj

29:31You Know

29:32San Sopane Bandhi Gaat

29:33Pichde Paave Saume Saat

29:3560 Out Of 100

29:36That Was Karpuri Thakur

29:37So His Projection Of His Image Was Not

29:39Now How Mukesh Sahni Has Been Projecting Himself

29:41Since 2015 And Before That

29:43Son Of Mallas

29:44Did You Ever See Mukesh Sahni

29:46Ever Trying To Reach Out To Non-Mallas EBCs

29:50That I Represent Also Other EBCs

29:53No Right

29:53So His Entire

29:54He Belonged

29:55His Caste Belonged

29:56But Sarjan

29:56Let Me Ask A Counter Then

29:58So If It Is Not About Non-Mallas EBCs

30:02Is There A Party Then In Bihar

30:06Which Is Of Specific EBCs

30:08Because There Are 125 Castes

30:10Yes

30:10So See In Bihar

30:12Either You Have National Party

30:13Or You Have Regional Party

30:15Wherein You See The Dominance Of Particular Castes

30:18Right

30:18Now Why EBCs

30:20Political And Social Location Is Important

30:22Because They Are Miniscule Castes

30:24Individually

30:24Therefore They Cannot Have A Caste Party

30:26Right

30:27And That Is Why These Are Unanchored Castes

30:30From Cast Ventures Point

30:31Unanchored Means They Do Not Have A Caste Leader

30:33Right

30:33So That Is Why They Would Also Go By A Leader And A Party

30:37Who They See Economically Relatively Better

30:41And In Terms Of Law And Order

30:43Who Gives Them A Sense Of Security

30:45Right

30:45So That Is Why EBCs Cannot Have A Party

30:49Because When You Have Caste As The Anchor Of The Party

30:51Regional Party

30:52That Is Not The Privilege

30:54They Are Enjoying In Pihar

30:55Okay

30:55Yes Please Go Ahead

30:56We Had Two EBCs Deputy Chief Ministers

30:59From BJP

31:00That Is Not As If For The First Time

31:03EBC

31:04One Moment

31:05One Moment

31:06No No

31:07One Moment

31:07Let Him Finish His Point

31:08You Need To Understand

31:09In What Context I Was Telling You That

31:11So EBC Empowerment Has Been Done By

31:13This NDA Government

31:15For A Long Long Period Of Time

31:17It Is Only That When It Has Become Now Politically Important And They Are Losing Elections

31:22They Have Lost Trust Of EBC For Last 15-20 Years

31:24See It Is Not Only About Political And Economic Empowerment

31:28What RJD Workers Have Done At The Ground Level Is Something To Be Seen And Believed

31:34They Are Very Fearful Of That

31:35See Jungle Raj Has Not Been Said Just Like That

31:38They Were The Ones Who Were Mostly Targeted By RJD Workers And Their Goons

31:43And That Is How This Has Happened And Which Is Why EBCs Never Deviated Towards Mahagadmandan

31:50Because It Is Not Only About Economic

31:52See The Political Empowerment

31:54Economic Empowerment

31:55All Of These Have Been Given By NDA

31:56And Therefore Absolutely Even Among Mallas

31:59See If Mukesh Sani Was So Important

32:02Why Did He Lose His Own Election Last Time

32:04He Lost His Election

32:05Right

32:06So If It Is So

32:07So It Is Not As If He Is The Sole Leader Of Mallas

32:10There Are So Many People Sani Is Out Here

32:12And We Have Jdu Has So Many Leaders Who Have Influenced All Throughout Bihar

32:17He Has Influenced We Have To Admit

32:19But Few Constituencies In North Bihar And Nothing Beyond That

32:22So It Is Very Driven By Certain Pockets

32:24And This Is Largely The Riverine Districts Which Is Called

32:29It Is Like Sending A Message Also

32:31Sita Madi

32:31No I Agree It Sends A Message

32:33But But Perhaps It Is Coming Too Late

32:35That Is Also A Question That Is Coming In Now

32:37One Question I Am Trying To Ask

32:39Right Now They Have Said That When We Are Offering The DPC Impost

32:42They Said That It Is Unconstitutional

32:44When They Give It Is A Constitutional

32:46When You Do The Same Thing

32:47No No It Was In A Different Context

32:48Please Please I Didn't Disturb You Man

32:50So When It Becomes Unconstitutional

32:52Let Him Finish

32:53This Is Very Funny And Very Sarcastic

32:55Let Him Finish

32:55This Is What Is The Nature And Of DNA Of BJP

32:58And They Are Talking About Gunda Raz

33:00I Would Like To Give You One Exact Figure

33:02During 90 To 2005

33:04During A Grand

33:05During 90 To 2005

33:06Listen

33:07During 90 To 2005 The Migration Was Only Around 20,000 And If You Look At The Migration

33:15Of The Government Data Of Bihar And Central Government Central It Is 3 Crore

33:18Then Which Which Time You Want To Gollify Which Is The Jungle Raj Which Is Palayan Raj

33:23What Are The Immigration

33:24But Then The Question Is

33:25And This Is A Question To All The Politicians Here

33:28You Are Talking About EBCs

33:30You Are Talking About Who Is The Chief Ministerial Face

33:32But Why Are You Not Then Talking About Migration

33:35I Am On Ground For The Last Few Days

33:40One Thing Which Is Certainly There

33:43And It Is A Palpable Sentiment

33:45Is That None Of The Politicians

33:47One Moment

33:47None Of The Politicians Are Talking About Migration

33:50It Is An Important Issue

33:52Listen Listen

33:52I Give You Example

33:53Maria Ji

33:54From Day 1

33:55India Gadbandan

33:56The Congress Party Itself

33:57Has Started The Yatra

33:58Palayan Roko

33:59Naukri Do

34:00This Is Very Evident

34:01It Is The Only Congress Party

34:02From The Road

34:03Hitting The Street

34:04To The Southern

34:04We Are Talking About The Migration

34:06And We Are Totally

34:07Developing Those To Stop That

34:09That Is Why You Are Offering The Job

34:11Because One Last Line

34:12We India Gadbandan

34:14Believe That We Are Born Here

34:15Will Become Our Birth

34:17Place Here

34:18Karna Boomi

34:19Just Go

34:20Here

34:21So

34:22Go

34:24So

34:26You

34:27Why

34:27Do

34:28Do

34:29What

34:30Do

34:31To

34:32Do

34:33Do

34:34Do

34:36Do

34:37foreign

35:07So I'm going to say that as much as NDA is here,

35:13there are no questions about Dalit Utapiran.

35:15Swam, your children, your children, your home, your family.

35:19You can see which people are giving the ticket.

35:22Let's start wrapping it up.

35:24You've made your point. Let me give 30 seconds to both of you and then the last word to Sarjan.

35:28Please help me.

35:33How long is the law?

35:37Pursue

35:38These are not the law?

35:40The law is not the law.

35:43The law is the law.

35:46The law is the law.

35:49The law becomes the law.

35:54What are the law?

35:57Please pass on the mic to the BJP spokesperson.

36:23The real issue is the face of Nitish Kumar vis-à-vis the face of Tejasui Yadav.

36:31Now Tejasui Yadav is a symbol of corruption, Tejasui Yadav is a symbol of organized crime

36:38during RJD rule, Tejasui Yadav is a symbol of nepotism and it is also a symbol of anarchy

36:45during 15 years.

36:47Even during 22 months when he was the deputy chief minister, his record was very bad.

36:52He was not going to any of his ministries and there was nothing which he did which was

36:56meaningful.

36:57This track record is known to the people of Bihar.

37:00And in those 17 months also was the period when Bihar ensured…

37:04Under leadership of Nitish Kumar.

37:05Yes.

37:06But he ensured that…

37:07No, no, he did not ensure.

37:08It was his…

37:09I would object to that.

37:10I'll give the last word to Sajan.

37:11No, no, it was not his promise.

37:12It was said like that.

37:13Sajan, my question is if the fight in this election which was not there in 2020 or in

37:192015 is for the extreme backward classes because that's the… because other caste blocks are

37:25more or less clear, right?

37:27So, it's very clear that where will the Yadavs go, where will the Muslims go, where will

37:32non-Yadav OBCs park, where are they park and even where the upper caste are.

37:37Yes.

37:38It's only these EBCs which can shift.

37:40Yes.

37:41Yes.

37:42Precisely.

37:43And because EBCs are unanchored communities wherein they do not have a caste leader overwhelmingly.

37:47And that is why their criterion is to see the material benefit and law and order, right?

37:51So, we have EBCs and women as the X factor of this election, one going by the caste identity,

37:58other going by the scheme-centric identity.

38:00And collectively, if you see that despite their fatigue and continuity with the familiar,

38:07you know, almost stagnant power equation, they still are not willing to abandon Nitish

38:13and trust and endorse Tejasvi, right?

38:17Why do you say that?

38:18Precisely because it's not Tejasvi, it's the fear of the memory, right?

38:23And also many a times when you go into the field, they will say when there is just a possibility

38:28or probability of Tejasvi returning to power, their support base have started creating a noise

38:34that seems intimidating.

38:36So, perhaps this is the right time that the opposition particularly…

38:39Are you then saying that the fear among the EBCs is similar to the fear among the non-Yadav OBCs?

38:46No, non-Yadav EBCs are the rival, they are assertive, they are dominant.

38:50They just want to replace Y with K, Kushwaha, Kurmiz, etc.

38:54Upper caste resent the replacement, but the EBCs are afraid, you know, of the change.

38:59Even if they want, they do not have the confidence to trust the leader

39:03because their support base on the ground start creating a noise, you know, that intimates them and they go back, right?

39:10So, that's about the social psychology of the EBCs.

39:12Alright, alright, thank you so much for joining us on this broadcast

39:16and thank you for participating in this conversation.

39:18And earlier today, I spoke to a girl who is running a cafe in Patna.

39:25There is another woman running her own venture which flies drones.

39:33These are the faces of aspiration.

39:36These are the faces of New Bihar as we talk about it

39:41because they are looking at shaping their own destiny.

39:45So, a former student of my college, that is Patna Women's College,

40:13is running this restaurant in Patna.

40:15A number of women-run restaurants have come up across Patna.

40:20So, Jyoti, what is this Ikigai that I am seeing on all the tables?

40:26And this Japanese secret to a long and happy life.

40:30Is that the reason why you started this cafe?

40:33This is something, a concept which is, with the Ikigai, Ikigai itself means passion.

40:40And people, if they don't, I think, there should be a connect.

40:45If people don't connect to each other and don't come out with freedom,

40:49I mean, one should liberate, one should feel that something which is coming from inside should reach to the other.

40:56So, we came up to this cafe concept where we thought that we should make it a book cafe,

41:02where we will be doing the book discussion. Ikigai is one of them.

41:07And that's the inspiration for this cafe because it is called Liberate Bites.

41:12So, what all do you serve here?

41:14Now, we are only serving some drink and snacks and some bakery.

41:19Okay, so let's have a chat now and then we will perhaps also have some food.

41:32Come, come, come, let's chat.

41:34So, Jyoti has brought matcha to Patna.

41:38Jyoti, lot of experiments are being done by girls here, women here.

41:43I mean, all of you are very accomplished women.

41:46Yes, see, we thought that there should be some uniqueness to the concept.

41:51So, coming back to the food, we thought that there is high lot of competition in eateries and in everything.

41:58So, we thought that we should bring something unique and different to people and especially to youth,

42:04who are so much into viral and trends these days.

42:07They always focus on what is trending and what is viral.

42:10So, at least keeping in mind, we thought, let's do something.

42:14Since we are in the middle of an election season, let's talk politics.

42:17And let's talk about choices of women voters.

42:21So, what are the women voters thinking, Rekha?

42:25Am I supposed to say very, very openly, clearly?

42:29See, I think today everybody is very smart, especially if you look at the women and the young girls.

42:35So, they are quite aware. They know what they want.

42:39And they would definitely go for the person who commits to their needs, right?

42:44Their safety, security, opportunities, their rights.

42:48See, there was a time when right was a very alien word to women.

42:52But now everybody, girl, even I work in the rural areas.

42:56So, when I go there, women talk about that,

42:59So, I feel very proud and happy at the same time that they talk about these things.

43:05And they are very focused.

43:06And they use their vote actually in the right way.

43:09They know who is talking what.

43:11That's a very supreme kind of awareness we see everywhere.

43:16And I believe they will do vote for someone who is really, really talking about their right, their benefit.

43:23Since you are an entrepreneur, is the present government supporting entrepreneurs like you?

43:31Because Nitish Kumar also announced that 10,000 rupees for every woman in the household.

43:36And if you are able to establish your business, then there will be a top up.

43:41Do you see these schemes helping women come out and establish something of their own?

43:48Yes, definitely. I think these schemes are making a difference.

43:52Like in my family itself, my aunt has started a business.

43:56And she recently applied for a loan from the government without like, with a very low interest rate.

44:02So, I think these schemes are definitely helping women to come out from their nutshell,

44:06where they are not able to, where they don't have enough funds of their own.

44:11They are able to get it from the government's help and able to establish like, you know,

44:16a promising business and a promising future for themselves.

44:19What are the issues that will decide the vote of women voters like you, educated women voters who live in cities or urban pockets of Bihar?

44:32These days, there has been improvement in education, right?

44:36Women are educated and they have become aspirational, right?

44:41So, one of the very key thing is the opportunity for their career enhancement, the job opportunities.

44:47I believe there are very, you know, small, small issues which are not have been spoken by many political parties.

44:55Let's see, if you look at the system right now, you are educating girls, you are making them a dreamer,

45:01you are giving them wings through different schemes.

45:04And then after graduation, what's happening?

45:07They are getting married and you are chopping off their wings.

45:09Despite Jeevika Didi?

45:10Despite Jeevika Didi, right?

45:12So, that needs a more concentrated, focused effort.

45:16Monitoring is something, right, in bureaucracy that they have to have that hold into bureaucracy.

45:22They are introducing policies, they are introducing subsidies and all that,

45:27but that's not reaching to the right kind of people.

45:30If there's Anita, I'll go to that leader with four of my people and he will listen to me.

45:36But if I have an issue with bureaucracy, I have an issue with some policy,

45:39and I'll go to that bureaucrate, he will not listen to me.

45:42That's something Bihar still need to work a lot on, because their attitudes, it is not changing,

45:49even with the changing government.

45:51So, we need a change there, a systematic stronghold that will keep them in check,

45:56because we are feeling very distanced because of it.

45:59Okay.

46:00That's a point that has been made by an entrepreneur.

46:02What about you?

46:04Even I feel that there's a lot of bureaucracy in India,

46:08and at a lot of stages, women entrepreneurs do not get a lot more rights as much as they should.

46:16And in terms of, women entrepreneurs are always looked down upon as well.

46:23Like, people question, oh, you're a woman of such a big business? Is that possible?

46:28And, you know, yeah.

46:29Yeah.

46:30Absolutely.

46:31Yeah.

46:32Yeah.

46:33I left my job recently.

46:34So, they're like, okay, you know, aap toh mahila hai, aap toh chali jayenge na vapas.

46:37You're not serious.

46:38Just because you're a woman, you're not serious about your venture.

46:41One of the bureaucrats told you.

46:42Yes.

46:43Absolutely.

46:44He's like, aap ko paise kyu chaiye hai, aap toh chali hai chayenge na kam nahi hua toh.

46:47And, like, no, I'm here to stay.

46:49I'm here to bring that change.

46:51And, just because I'm a woman, I'm not backing up.

46:53So, that's something, that attitude is just very insane to handle.

47:12Hello.

47:13How are you?

47:14Welcome, welcome.

47:15So, tell me about yourself.

47:17Surely.

47:18You know, I'm very curious about the startup ecosystem in Bihar now.

47:22A lot of girls in it as well, right?

47:24We founded this startup, like, in 2022.

47:28So, we have a vision that we want to use technology for the betterment of the people.

47:34This is Ratan Tata.

47:35Yes.

47:36I don't believe in taking right decisions.

47:39I take decisions and then make them right.

47:42Right.

47:43Lot of inspirational words.

47:48So, we are working on drones, as you can see here.

47:51We have, we use it for surveillance, as you know that in Bihar, we, you know, caught a lot of alcohol and everything.

48:00So, we use this drone for that.

48:02And, this is agricultural drone.

48:04We are using this for farmers.

48:06So, but, how many drones have you sold, this one, for surveillance?

48:10You know, have you found takers for this one?

48:13Not much.

48:14Abhi ke liye, likin we want ki farmers hi use karein.

48:17Because, this is cost effective.

48:19As a farmer, or as a normal person, we cannot see like, abhi isko paani ki zarurat hai, isko abhi khad ki zarurat hai, ya isko abhi kisi or cheese ki zarurat hai.

48:28But, this is the thing, it has parameters in this, in its software, so that it can analyze ki abhi soil ko pesticides ki zarurat hai.

48:38You started in 2022, in three years, how many drones have you sold?

48:43Around 100 to 150, we have sold it in Bihar.

48:46And, surveillance wale and this one as well?

48:48Yes.

48:49And also, delivery drone, this is our like, pilot project right now.

48:52Okay.

48:53So, we are piloting this in Gorakhpur and in Aims Patta.

48:57You can deliver blood and medicines, it can carry 1 kg, around 700 grams to 1 kg.

49:06And, this will be for delivery purpose.

49:08Yes.

49:09Nitika, you know, there is lot of chatter about, does the government in Bihar support a start-up ecosystem?

49:17How much support is the government from the government?

49:20So, Bihar government ki taraf se, humare liye bohat zahada suvidhae hai hai already.

49:24They are giving us seed funds as well, for 10 lakhs for women.

49:27So, women entrepreneurs, and I already applied for that.

49:30And, I am wondering ki, jitti bhi female entrepreneurs hain, unko ye sab chizhe karni chahiye.

49:39And, Bihar sarakar jo hai, wuhu badke aage hum logon ko help kar rahi hai ki aap aage bado.

49:45Especially for women.

49:47Since we are in the middle of the election season, so, I will ask that question about, who do you think is supporting women entrepreneurs like you?