00:00So, some of the, I think even someone who testified at trial, but certainly publicly talked about, was as young as 14 when she was introduced to Mr. Epstein.
00:12Jane, in your mind today, you don't, you kind of reject that that happened, that you saw that. Meaning, you don't recall any obviously under 18 woman coming to give him a massage.
00:31Well, I believe you're talking about Jane, and I'm very happy to address that. I actually don't think that the testimony is correct. I don't believe, no, no, I just wanted to tell you how that happened.
00:43Yeah, I don't want to get into it.
00:44No, no, no, absolutely not. I don't want to go there. I'm not going to do that. But I believe that what took place with a lot of these people is that there was a slide, right?
00:54So, there was a zone, and he did meet her, and I did meet her, and I knew that she was a young child, and I knew that she was not an adult.
01:06Because, but I don't believe he met her until she was 16. So, I'm not, I'm not doing a he said, she said. I'm not doing that, because nobody, that's not what we have for.
01:16But he didn't meet her until she was 16. And the entire testimony of the 14, 15, and 16-year-old is therefore not accurate.
01:29Did I meet her when she was 16 with her mother? I absolutely did. And did I know that she was young? I absolutely did.
01:36But everything that took place that was alleged at trial at the 14, and 15, and 16 is not accurate.
01:45There's testimony, or there's, and again, I'm using testimony in the broadest sense. Some of this is just public statements or something that's come out in civil lawsuits about you and Mr. Epstein giving like an 18, you're turning 18 birthday card to somebody.
02:07Which, again, if true, would by definition mean you knew that she was under 18. Do you recall doing that?
02:14I do not. I do not. I mean, no memory of that at all.
02:19Um.
02:22And I believe that would be, uh, the person that called herself Kate, has now announced herself in her own podcast for who she really is. Her name is a ****.
02:31So I did not meet a **** until actually she was either 20 or 21. So, uh, it would be very hard for me to have given her an 18 birthday card. And the testimony that, also, that slid back.
02:45Do you accept that at some point, and we talked about this yesterday about how Mr. Epstein changed, but at some point, Mr. Epstein definitely, um, preferred younger women?
02:59I accept.
02:59And I think you said yesterday, but say it again since we're talking about it. Is that something that you, in your mind, one of the areas where he changed from when you first met him until later?
03:10So I, I, I, when I, I just also want to be clear, I never understood that change to encompass children. I did see from, when I met him, he was, uh, involved or involved or friends with, or whatever, however you want to characterize it, with women who were in their 20s.
03:28And then the slide to, you know, 18, you know, younger looking women. But I never considered that this would encompass criminal behavior. It never.
03:47And so, when you read, I guess, two different times, right? One was during the Florida investigation when there were,
03:56or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or eventually public statements from some of these, um, these now women who, who testified about what they did with Mr. Epstein when they were under 18.
04:09Um, at that point, did you realize, or did you think to yourself, this happened, or this could have happened, I missed it?
04:18Or, um, or were you, at that point, still in the mindset that they were either not telling the truth, or, or were not telling the truth?
04:26Or not remembering what happened, um, the way that, accurately?
04:31That's a very fair question. So I think that, um, my view of this, at that time, call it as contemporaneously as it did, because I don't think that stuff came out in public.
04:45I, I mean, I may have read things, but I don't, my first real memory of that is at the trial.
04:51But, um, my viewpoint, if you will, was set from the minute that she lied in her civil deposition.
05:04And I could never recover from that, because I...
05:06What do you, what do you, which lie, what are you referring to?
05:08Um, her entire characterization, characterization of...
05:16Now, I, I, I, I don't remember how she came, whether I did...
05:20I see.
05:20But I'm talking about the first time she came to Epstein's house, which I knew to be false.
05:25So from that first lie of that description, I could never recover from that.
05:30I understand, okay.
05:31So, and that tainted, sorry, just so that we're clear, it tainted then the, the testimony of everybody else that I saw that came post that, because I had my own personal experience, which I knew to be false.
05:48Yeah.
05:48Yeah.
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