00:01When you said something yesterday at the very beginning of our conversation, that when you first met Mr. Epstein, and you ultimately have sex with him, that he had, I'll use the word, erectile dysfunction, but he had issues having sex.
00:21That's what he told me.
00:22That's what he told you.
00:23Yes.
00:24And then over the years, you said sometime in the 90s, you started taking testosterone.
00:30Yes.
00:31I don't know if it was in the 90s.
00:32I don't remember when he started, but it wasn't, he had patches, testosterone patches.
00:37Ah, okay.
00:38Dermal.
00:39Like on his arm?
00:40Yes.
00:41Okay.
00:41And then he was ridiculous because you shouldn't take more than one, but sometimes he had, like, what are you doing?
00:47It's, like, unhealthy.
00:48Okay.
00:48Um, from what you observed or saw or heard, did he continue to have challenges sexually over the years, or do you think that whatever he told you, whatever issue he told you he had was fixed?
01:03I think it was a lie.
01:05You think it was a lie about what?
01:07About his erectile dysfunction.
01:08Oh.
01:09You mean, you never, you don't think he ever had any issues, you think he just told you that?
01:13I, that is what I believe today, yeah.
01:14But given, if any of the stories are true, he couldn't have had erectile dysfunction if they had a priapism, for Christ's sake.
01:20Well, that's, well, that's one of the reasons for my questions.
01:22I mean, you're right.
01:23I mean, and again, we're, we've talked about this a fair amount, but what did, like, the stories of what masseuses underage and overage have said about him is, are, you know,
01:38and what he liked or what he demanded that they do, whether it's watching him masturbate or pinching his nipples, you know, kind of things that, that are unusual.
01:53Do you believe that?
01:54Like, do you, from what you saw, from what you observed, from what you did when you were in a relationship with him, is that true?
02:01I, well, the bulk of what I read, he did not have sex.
02:05So that is consistent with what he told me, actually.
02:08And his masturbating, that is also consistent with what I knew myself.
02:14And, um, I'm going to use a, a bad word.
02:18Please, you can use whatever word you need, yes.
02:20Blowjob.
02:21Okay.
02:22He liked blowjobs.
02:23Okay.
02:23That, I did observe.
02:25And he didn't seem to have any erectile dysfunction for blowjobs.
02:27But sex, he didn't have.
02:28So when I read the stories about the allegations of sexual rape, I find that challenging, because that was not his modus operandi, from my perspective.
02:41But when you read about, um, blowjobs, that does, that, that would be consistent with kind of what you...
02:48That would be consistent, as would masturbation, yes.
02:50Did you talk to masseuses or women that either he was in a relationship with, or, um, who asked you about working with him, did you tell them, yes, he likes blowjobs, yes, he'll masturbate in front of you?
03:08Like, did you have conversations with any of those, with women, about what Mr. Epstein liked, or what would make him happy, or things like that?
03:18I don't have any memory of telling anybody about that.
03:22I think I may have joked, like, saying, oh my god, you know, like, from a Sex and the City scene, that, uh, you know, he's...
03:29But not, I never instruct...
03:31The question you're asking me, sorry, let's just be clear.
03:34Did I ever instruct anyone how to pressure Mr. Epstein?
03:36Your question?
03:37No.
03:38Um, and you said this earlier, but I want to just, you, you kind of said it on, on your own, I want to ask the question, just so I make sure that there's no confusion.
03:49Um, when, when you, over the years, um...
03:58Sorry, can I just...
03:59Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, please.
04:00I just want to say, the idea that I would have to explain to a woman how to satisfy with, uh, seeing, is patently absurd, because he clearly was able to explain.
04:08So, he didn't need an interlocutor to explain what he liked.
04:12He's been doing this, obviously, or this, some version of this story his whole life, and did not require any help from me.
04:20Um, then, um, so did you, did you, did you ever observe him having sex with a masseuse, regular intercourse, not a blowjob, not something else, where you either walked in or you were in the room?
04:37Um, I never saw Epstein have sex with any person.
04:41Um, and, so how about, um, oral sex?
04:48Did you ever observe a woman giving him oral sex, whether you were in the room, or walked in, or...
04:56I never, I never, I never saw anyone give Epstein a blowjob, no.
04:58Um, but you said earlier, you, you did see him masturbating in front of masseuses.
05:07I don't know if I said that.
05:08I don't know if I said that.
05:08Okay, sorry, I don't want...
05:09Let me ask the question, sorry.
05:11I'm not sure I said that.
05:12No, that's fair, that's fair.
05:13I, I, I, I said I saw him, I'm sure I saw him in a, what some people could define as sexual contact,
05:21so that somebody could not have their clothes, well, topless, I would say, maybe.
05:24I, I could say that.
05:26If I saw him having, uh, masturbating when someone was like, I don't recall that.
05:32I don't have a specific memory of it.
05:33Okay.
05:34But, no, I'm not, I didn't say that.
05:37Okay, I don't understand, that's fair, sorry, I'm not...
05:39That's okay.
05:40Surely not trying to put words in your mouth.
05:41No, no, that, that, absolutely not, it's fine.
05:43So, um.
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