00:00So let me move on to the post-tribulation view, which is probably the more common one than the pre-wrath view.
00:10One of the major scriptures which points to this is Matthew 24 and verse 31.
00:20Read the whole of that passage.
00:22Matthew 24, it says,
00:23Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light,
00:29the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
00:33Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn,
00:37and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
00:42He will send his angels with the great sound of the trumpet.
00:45They will gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
00:50So according to this view, verse 31,
00:56The sound of the trumpet, the gathering of the elect, is the same event as you have in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4,
01:03where you have the sound of the trumpet and the Lord gathering together his people.
01:07So it's the same event.
01:09Now if that is the case, then there's no more argument actually,
01:13because if that's the case, then the rapture has to be at the end of the tribulation,
01:17because he says immediately after the tribulation of these days, so and so is going to happen.
01:22Okay, so this has to be basically the major point for the post-tribulation rapture.
01:30Jesus said it's going to happen after the tribulation,
01:32then the trumpet will sound and God's going to gather together his elect.
01:38If it is the same event as 1 Thessalonians 4, the rapture must come after the tribulation.
01:44And the elect equals Christians like you and me.
01:49The Lord gathers them with the sound of the trumpet.
01:52Therefore it's the same event as 1 Thessalonians 4.
01:56There are counter-arguments to that.
01:58That is not the same event.
02:00There are certain differences.
02:02And the elect who he gathers together are the Jewish people
02:07from past and present situations, so those who have died before
02:12and those who are presently believing in Jesus,
02:15and he gathers them together, and that's the gathering of his elect,
02:19who are the Jews who are saved during the tribulation period.
02:22And also, because it speaks about the...
02:26He will gather his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.
02:34So he's not just gathering from the earth,
02:38he's gathering from one end of heaven to the other.
02:40So the possibility is he's talking about a different group of people
02:43being gathered together here before the second coming of Jesus to the earth,
02:48or at the same time, in fact.
02:53Another argument for this is the word parousia.
02:56The word parousia is a Greek word for the coming of the Lord, for his saints,
03:00often used to describe the visit of a king to one of his cities,
03:05where he'd be met by a group of his officials and relatives
03:08who then accompany him in procession into the city,
03:11as seen by the resident population.
03:14In this case, the two events follow each other.
03:16First of all, taken up, gathered to meet with the Lord,
03:19then come back with him as a kind of reception committee, if you like.
03:23Interestingly, if you look at the book of Acts, chapter 28,
03:25you have a similar situation when Paul arrived in Rome.
03:30News came that Paul was coming,
03:31and a whole group of people who were believers came out to meet Paul
03:34and went with him into Rome as a kind of reception committee.
03:39So the post-tribulation view is that that is really what happens
03:41at the rapture of the church.
03:43God gathers together the believers so that they will come back with him
03:45as a kind of welcoming committee, bringing Jesus back to the earth.
03:51It happens at the same time.
03:52So you have straight up, straight back again,
03:56not straight up, seven-year period in between,
03:59or even a three-and-a-half-year period.
04:01It's all in one.
04:03Okay, those are the major issues relating to the post-tribulation rapture.
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