Morning Edition: 27th August 2024

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00:00:00and the very special good morning Trinidad and Tobago and the rest of the world. I'm

00:00:17Marlon Hopkinson. As always, welcome to The Morning Edition. It's Tuesday, 27th August

00:00:22and thank you very much for joining us this morning. Yes, the studio is in a celebratory

00:00:26mood this morning. We are in Independence Week. I don't know about you, but I like this

00:00:32time of the year and take the opportunity on Saturday to take the children down to the

00:00:38Queen's Park Savannah and let them take in the scenes and the smells and all that is

00:00:50happening at the Queen's Park Savannah concerning the parade. I think it's not only a good

00:00:56experience for them, but it could be used to widen their knowledge about things in

00:01:03Trinidad and Tobago and feel proud about certain things in Trinidad and Tobago. You know, sometimes

00:01:13we hear a lot of the negatives and don't focus on the positives and we see the glass as half

00:01:21how do they put it? You see the glass as half empty, then half full. Yeah, so it's a good

00:01:26opportunity to take the children out this weekend. I hope that you had a good night

00:01:30and you're safe and sound with us this morning. We do have a very interesting program for you

00:01:35today, as always, but first let's check out to see what's happening with Daily Express.

00:01:40All right, to whom should Movietown rent be paid? Tenants in a bind. Chin's TCDC agrees to place

00:01:49$3 million in escrow. Ministry of Social Services grant fraud. Ministry of Social Services grant

00:01:57fraud. Cops probing 200 cases. Datatreya Temple objects. Spirit Mask withdraws costume names. So

00:02:06Movietown to place $3 million in escrow until arrears decided. Mall tenants in a quandary.

00:02:12Trinbago Commercial Development Company Limited, which owns Movietown, Port of Spain, has agreed

00:02:16to place $3 million in escrow until the substantive case over arrears is determined.

00:02:23The sum is expected to be paid on or before August 28th. And Kamala Turauli, focus on boat of arms,

00:02:31not coat of arms. What? The opposition leader has some lyrics, boy. Opposition leader Kamala

00:02:37Possabi-Sasse has called on the Prime Minister to not to worry about changing Trinidad and Tobago's

00:02:42coat of arms, but to focus on the boat of arms bringing illegal guns into the country. All right,

00:02:50so we're moving on. To the back page now, San Juan Laventail Corp workers protest for outstanding

00:02:57money. Pay up $4 million. Farris, president of the local government section of the National Union of

00:03:03Government and Federated Workers, Heston Lambert, has appealed to local government minister Farris

00:03:08to pay $4 million to about 500 employees of the San Juan Laventail Regional Corporation.

00:03:14So yesterday, there was a protest. So the protesters included health workers, scavengers,

00:03:21and sweepers. And you know the common chants at these protests, right? We want the money.

00:03:27We want the money right now. All right, so we're moving on to some sport.

00:03:33Bringing back the vibes, Windies look for 3-0 T20 sweep against South Africa.

00:03:38Ravman Powell wants his players to stick to their manner of play in the first two matches and

00:03:44complete a second T20 international series sweep of South Africa today. The West Indies go into

00:03:50the last game of the three-match series at the Brian Lauer Cricket Academy, poised to complete

00:03:56their second sweep against the Pateas in the Caribbean in the space of three months. Yeah,

00:04:03that was cricket time, boy. And just incidentally, we are going to have our discussion

00:04:08on the WCPL at the end of our program today. We're giving away tickets.

00:04:15You don't know yet? You have to be inspired to give away tickets or what? All right, so hold on

00:04:21to that, right? So we'll see how things go. This morning, it looks kind of sticky and iffy,

00:04:27right? But it's going to be an interesting conversation as always to speak about the WCPL.

00:04:32I hope that you all have been taking the opportunity to go down to the Brian Lauer

00:04:36Cricket Academy. Take the family. You don't mind if I go. I have been watching it on the television

00:04:42and it has been very, very exciting. Yeah, and knowledgeable to me because in the past,

00:04:47I didn't take too much interest in the WCPL. But now, yeah, it's an interesting game. And

00:04:54let me also tell you, the same amount of passion that the men have, the women do have too. All

00:05:01right? So just a few more days before the beginning of the new school term. So there's still

00:05:06some time to take the children and make it a family day down at the Brian Lauer Cricket

00:05:10Academy. All right? So it's time to remind you about Trinbago, your nice feature. Remember to

00:05:14participate. Email your videos or images to... I got it this morning. Trinbagoyourniceattv6tnt.com.

00:05:24All right? So we do appreciate all of your pictures and videos. All right? This is a

00:05:28beautiful picture of the hibiscus. You remember back in the day when we would cut the hibiscus

00:05:34down the middle and we would talk about the calyx and epicalyx and the anther and the

00:05:40stamen? Yeah? Right. All of that? Yeah. I just woke up studio here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:05:49Just remember. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So as I said, it's going to be an interesting

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00:08:32Yeah, we are celebrating, right? As you know, this is Independence Week in Trinidad and Tobago

00:08:37and we have been garnering views from different persons as we reflect on this country as an

00:08:42independent nation. On the line with us this morning is former Independent Senator and Senior

00:08:46Counsel Martin Daly. Mr. Daly, good morning and thank you very much for joining us.

00:08:52Good morning, Marlon. Good morning to your viewers.

00:08:55Yeah. Now, Mr. Daly has served this country on many levels and is known to call a spade a spade

00:09:01as it were. So, Mr. Daly, as we look at this journey that we have been on as an independent

00:09:06nation, what are your thoughts this morning? We're celebrating 62 years of independence

00:09:13on Saturday. Yeah. Is this a good 62? We have had a good knock?

00:09:19Well, I think the place we have to start, I mean, there are a lot of poor strokes being made

00:09:27but I think where we need to start is to continue to praise ourselves for our relative

00:09:36good harmony between the various creeds and races that make up this place. The success in not having

00:09:43any kind of physical confrontation or anything like that cannot be overestimated. Yes, people

00:09:54may be tense sometimes and the politicians on all sides do their best for narrow political reasons to

00:10:02stir things up but they have not succeeded and that the value of that cannot, as I say, be

00:10:09overstated. That's a very big positive but there are three or four very important, if one wants to

00:10:18call them, sectors of life that are not in the best state and whether one is as outspoken as I

00:10:25am or not, one has to recognize that. I mean, we have about 20 minutes, I think. I made a note,

00:10:33things that I think we really need to reflect on very seriously. I'm not going to say anything

00:10:40about crime this morning. That situation speaks for itself because we may be living in harmony

00:10:47but we're living scared and that's not a good thing. But I don't want to talk about that this

00:10:53morning. I would like to focus on three or four other things in the time that is available.

00:11:01In no particular order, I think we have to examine what has now turned out to be

00:11:10moderate success in the petrochemical sector. There was a time when the petrochemical sector

00:11:17was booming and provided us with everything we needed, plus a lot of gravy.

00:11:26But now there are some uncertainties about the petrochemical sector that we need to come to

00:11:30grips with. Some people were angry with me the other day because I said in a column we might

00:11:36run out of money and they were angry about that. But I think we need to examine that.

00:11:43Of course, always top of my list is the state of the steel pan world and in particular I am

00:11:52concentrating on the moment that we are not as far as we should be with a steel pan industry

00:11:59and that causes me concern and it's really such a waste.

00:12:03I think we have, there are real concerns about how well we are educating our citizens,

00:12:09not to speak to, I'm not trying to be 100% accurate in terms of numbers, but basically every year we

00:12:18select one set of students to go forward within a grammar school system and reach varying degrees

00:12:27of achievement, but we segregate others out of the grammar school system. Yes, they go to schools,

00:12:34but they're not really put in a good position and each year that that passes and that situation

00:12:42remains, we are contributing at least indirectly to social disorders. Children who are not in the

00:12:48so-called good schools or prestige schools have problems. And then last, but by no means least,

00:12:56we have to look at our governance arrangements and let me say our governance arrangements are

00:13:02in a shambles, but let me say immediately this, I'm trying to find a polite word, this,

00:13:12and I think it's a political pretense of constitutional reform is not what I have in

00:13:16mind, because whatever we put down on a piece of paper, unless we fix our standards in public life,

00:13:23our governance arrangements will remain a shambles. So you pick any one of those,

00:13:29I mean there are many others. Of course, Mr. Daly, but let's take them one by one.

00:13:33What are the concerns about the petrochemical sector? Is it the dwindling resources? Is it

00:13:39management of the sector? Is it diversification? What are the issues for you?

00:13:46Well, I think it has to do with what you have, I believe, accurately described as dwindling

00:13:52resources. We are not in a position now that, we do not at any rate, at the moment, we do not have

00:13:58a regular supply of natural gas to keep all of the gas-based industries running, and that is a

00:14:04concern of mine. And I may say that probably the second best or one of the best achievements we

00:14:14have after keeping harmony, living harmoniously, is the fact that people who had great foresight

00:14:24to turn us from, to locate the petrochemical industry on supply of natural gas. And that,

00:14:33I think, was the most significant decision and most positive decision that was made subsequent

00:14:39independence. And regardless of political back and forth, we have to salute all of those who

00:14:46brought things like Pointlessas into being. We haven't managed it well in terms of how we have

00:14:52used the resources. We've squandered a lot of the resources, but that is a big positive that we have

00:14:57a gas-based, you know, that kind of gas-based economy. That's a big positive. One can make

00:15:03some criticisms of how it's been managed and how the money has been saved, but first and foremost,

00:15:09my concern is dwindling resources. Yeah, and when we speak about dwindling resources, of course,

00:15:18the government, I think it is safe to say that they have attempted to address this in

00:15:26particular ways. One of them is to have this arrangement, and I speak about the Dragon Gas

00:15:33deal with Venezuela, and all of this is coming in an environment where the petrochemical sector

00:15:41is booming in Guyana. It's about to take off in Suriname, and then you have players worldwide.

00:15:49So then the question is, how do we maneuver in such an environment?

00:15:55Well, again, I do not share all of the optimism about Dragon Gas coming on stream.

00:16:05I'd leave it at that. I mean, I know there's room for more than one view, but the fact is,

00:16:13I believe 2027 has been given at the earliest date, but the kinds of political risks to which

00:16:20we are exposed between now and 2027 are huge, and I am concerned that the international

00:16:28entities with whom we have to work may find those political risks unacceptable.

00:16:33So I leave it there. I don't want to be accused of a lack of anything, a lack of optimism,

00:16:39but I don't feel optimistic because of the political risk. I'm choosing my words very

00:16:44carefully because that is a very, very sensitive subject. What do they call them? The powers that

00:16:50be. They get very antsy if you start expressing any lack of optimism. But really, the political

00:16:59surrounding that, I repeat, are huge, and if we reflect on where we are going forward,

00:17:05we have to find, we have to reflect on where are we going to get resources

00:17:13to continue the lifestyle to which we have been accustomed, and more and more people are not

00:17:19enjoying that lifestyle, and the inequality is getting bigger and bigger. So all of those things

00:17:24are wrapped into one, and when you mentioned diversification, then of course I reflect on

00:17:29the fact that we have not used our invention, that is to say the acoustical musical instrument.

00:17:37We have not used, we have not turned that into a fully-fledged, reliable industry, and that's why

00:17:43I've been focusing on what we need to do to ramp up the manufacture of pan so that we can become

00:17:50or remain the world's leader, whichever you prefer. Yeah, all right, so because I know that you have

00:17:59a real love for pan, Mr. Daly, so let's deal with that now, and our discussion today

00:18:07really comes on the heels of what transpired on the weekend, where it was announced that a new

00:18:13facility, Pan Trinbago is going to have a 100 million dollar facility. It's going to be given

00:18:21that new, that old post office just before the fire headquarters on Wrightson Road, so that is

00:18:30going to be given to them, a spanking new building, six stories. So you had that, then you had earlier

00:18:36this year, the pan officially becoming the national instrument of Trinidad and Tobago.

00:18:45We are now celebrating World Steel Pan Day, so I suspect people are going to tell you,

00:18:51people who are involved in the industry and out of the industry, they are going to tell you, well,

00:18:56we are seeing major development when it comes to pan. Yes, but I'm not seeing the pan factory,

00:19:03I'm not seeing crowing facility, and that is what it takes to make an industry, an office,

00:19:08a spanking office building as you call it, doesn't create anything. It is a place to locate

00:19:16the statutory administration of pan, but that is not pan. Pan Trinbago does not make the music,

00:19:22Pan Trinbago makes arrangements primarily for the performance of the music,

00:19:27so that does not impress me, and if I had heard that 100 million was going to go into a pan

00:19:34factory and the things that go to pan factory, I'd be a lot more optimistic about the contribution

00:19:39that pan can make to the economy. Well, I know that there's a pan factory, I believe, in Diego

00:19:48Martin that has been operating for the past few years, but I too, Mr. Daly, I do have real concerns

00:19:56and I've discussed it with the president of pan Trinbago, I've discussed my vision for pan, right,

00:20:02because, Mr. Daly, I think that we have been really pussyfooting as it relates to pan,

00:20:13and that I want to see more, and it must not be that every year panorama is the biggest

00:20:23festival of pan. To me, there should be festivals throughout the year, and a lot more of our pan

00:20:31men and pan women, there must be such a good and serious industry here that they can live on

00:20:40pan and see it as a viable option for them, where they can take care of

00:20:47themselves, take care of their families, and so on. Well, let me say immediately, I've had a personal

00:20:55tour of the MITCO facility in the Diamond Vale industry, and it is an impressive facility,

00:21:02but stick up in there, even if that is to be the prominent or paramount pan factory,

00:21:10it's a lot more than a pan factory, we're using that colloquially, they have to send their pans

00:21:16abroad to be chromed, so at the very least, we need to reinvest in a

00:21:24chroming facility, a state-of-the-art chroming facility, at the very least. Yes, there are people

00:21:30doing chroming, but it's not, there are questions about regular supply or the ability to get the

00:21:38pans chromed, but I mean, I am very impressed with the MITCO facility, but it can't end there,

00:21:44and it's not complete, and it's certainly not complete in terms of indigenous location

00:21:49without chroming facilities, and there are some chroming facilities, but that is

00:21:55where we need to ramp up investment immediately, and I'd have taken the hundred million dollars and

00:22:00gone there, because as I understand it, I mean, I laugh and say I have two very good friends, and

00:22:07the whole pan fraternity entertains, you know, discussions with me, you have to, I have two very

00:22:15good friends who I laughingly call consultants, and they have told me that we can't say we are

00:22:21the leaders in this steel pan business if we cannot completely make a pan here, and it can't

00:22:30completely make one here if you have to send it abroad for chroming. Yes, you can get some chroming

00:22:36done here, but from my information, it's not adequate, and of course, I don't think a prestige

00:22:42building takes us very far with that. Yeah, all right, Mr. Daly, you're not one who shies away

00:22:51from controversy, so let's talk about the announcement of the prime minister recently,

00:22:58and it deals with the coat of arms. He has decided he wants to put the steel pan on the coat of arms

00:23:04and remove the three ships belonging to Columbus. Well, that's very nice, but I mean,

00:23:13for example, if you look at the comments of Professor Copeland, who is probably more diplomatic

00:23:19than I am, at the back page of yesterday's Express, he repeatedly talked about putting

00:23:25substance in pan, and while he was very nice about the decision about the coat of arms, he located

00:23:33his butt, his proviso, where I'd like to see it located, so that's all very nice, and we're going

00:23:40to go off on this irrelevant argument about whether other instruments should be included.

00:23:49I mean, I'm like everybody else. If you wanted to do that, that's fine, but it's not really

00:23:53solving any problem. It's not really taking us forward in any meaningful way. It's symbolic,

00:23:59and we love symbols. The 100 million headquarters is symbolic. I kind of smile cynically when they

00:24:08talk about it's going to contain a pan museum. I hope it's not a museum of Trinidad and Tobago's

00:24:13efforts in pan, when we can't go forward and regain our place in the rest of the world,

00:24:20so they want to change the coat of arms. That's fine. I don't have a big problem with it,

00:24:23but it's not substantial. It's not substantial at all.

00:24:28Yeah, well, I suspect there are some who are going to say, Mr. Daly, well, we are on the

00:24:35right path as it relates to pan, and there are some who are going to say, well, maybe finally

00:24:41pan is getting the respect that it deserves, but you can't eat respect. You can't go to the bank

00:24:49with respect. We have that respect has to mean something significant, and so that's what I think

00:24:56about that. I must tell you, the last two columns I have written on the question of pan manufacture

00:25:03has provoked a flood of responses. Most of them validate the points I have raised and

00:25:12expressing their concern about not having a full-fledged. Of course, we have a pan industry,

00:25:17but it's not full-fledged, and as the country that invented the pan, we should be, if not the

00:25:25sole leader, no one else should be leading without us, and that is my concern, and that's why the

00:25:34symbolic gestures are very nice, but they don't impress me long term. But haven't we, in a general

00:25:41way, Mr. Daly, haven't we been very lethargic sometimes? Take for instance, I mean, we're

00:25:49discussing the pan. Other countries, they do have pan factories. I was shocked over the past few

00:25:59years to understand that at that time, we didn't manufacture, let's say, the rubber

00:26:10for the pans, for the pan sticks, and the pan sticks, and the pan stands, and, you know, so,

00:26:17but isn't there a wider issue of we have become very lethargic when it comes to doing certain

00:26:25things? Well, lethargic is one way of describing it, but the end result is we are in a position

00:26:35which is, may not be first and foremost in the pan industry anymore. That is what I have been

00:26:41putting out there for the debate and trying to identify. We have fantastic music, fantastic

00:26:46musicians. Panorama is very, very, very important because it is a glue that keeps everybody together

00:26:53and keeps everyone animated, but there are other, there are other things that have to be considered

00:27:00to keep this going if we are not to be a player who is not, who remains in the top tier,

00:27:08player in the pan industry that remains in the top tier. Yes. I mean, I can hear people saying,

00:27:13why is he going on about pan? But all of these things, ultimately, the things that I've identified,

00:27:20they all, they all mesh really. We need to have sensible governance arrangements,

00:27:26symbolic or ritualistic pronouncements about constitutional reform don't solve the problem.

00:27:33If we don't have standards in public life, if we don't have standards in public life,

00:27:37people won't trust the government. They won't put their best foot forward. They will look for

00:27:41alternative opportunities abroad. If people, if we are poorly educating a significant number of

00:27:49new entrants into the education system everywhere, that leads to dropout and

00:27:54lack of social cohesion. People far more qualified than me talk about the link between

00:27:59the frustration of school children and crime. So I pick these things because to me, they all

00:28:05hang together. Mr. Daly, we must go to a very short break. Please stay with us, Mr. Daly.

00:28:11We're coming back, everybody.

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00:30:45All right, everybody. So it's Independence Week and we are having a discussion on Trinidad and

00:30:52Tobago and celebrating, observing its 62nd year as an independent nation. So we are continuing

00:31:03our discussion with Senior Counsel Martin Daly. Of course, you would remember that Mr. Daly was also

00:31:09an independent senator. So, Mr. Daly, you spoke about a few other issues. You spoke about

00:31:17governance arrangements. Let's speak a little bit about that and what you mean.

00:31:22Well, may I just say, Marlon, since we're framing this in the context of independence

00:31:29and I started with a very positive note about our harmony, it is also hard to overestimate the mood

00:31:37in the streets on an independence morning and in the course of an independence day.

00:31:43I mean, you really see people of all walks of life coming together. Yeah, there are a few people,

00:31:50you know, that stay in their lagers, I like to call it, but it's really a fantastic atmosphere

00:31:56that morning and we must not lose sight of that. The fact is, how can we become more stable and how

00:32:02can we move forward together in better unity? And I say that in the context of trying to discuss

00:32:09our governance arrangements. And for me, the standards of conduct in public life, and I'm not

00:32:18just talking about corruption or perceived corruption and perceived teething, I'm talking

00:32:24about the way our institutions are not performing their functions with the degree of independence

00:32:31and rigor that we require. And that's also very concerning, whether it's the service commissions,

00:32:38whether it's anything else, they are not performing, in my view, with the independence that

00:32:43is required. And so, that leads me to the conclusion that even if you reform all of these

00:32:52institutions, you provide for new institutions, you provide for new interaction, if people are

00:32:57not going to have the backbone to do what is required of them in relation to the particular

00:33:04institution in which they serve. It really doesn't matter, at the end of the day, I'm sorry to be

00:33:08extreme about it, it doesn't really import to be radical about it, it doesn't matter what you

00:33:13put down on a piece of paper. And to me, the most glaring or one of the most glaring examples

00:33:20is that not completely explained the business of the merit list that seem to go to president's

00:33:27house and seem to disappear from president's house. That to me is a shocking example

00:33:34where, I mean, effectively the various institutions would seem to be doing their work, but it wasn't

00:33:43effective ultimately in the outcome, which should have led to a list if it had been prepared,

00:33:49however unsatisfactory going to parliament and receiving the veto of parliament if that was

00:33:54required, but this kind of semi-clandestine veto, things like that are very worrying and it doesn't

00:34:01matter what arrangements you make for the appointment of a commissioner of police,

00:34:06if those arrangements are not carried out transparently and fully in accordance with what

00:34:12is expected, then we're spinning top and mud and that's why I've said with respect to the

00:34:20to the advisory, current advisory committee on the constitution, I don't want any part of it,

00:34:26not because I'm vexed, not because I have anything against, most of the people I emphasize,

00:34:33most of the people have my respect, but that is not the point, we're going to go into a whole

00:34:37long exercise and it's not going to be productive of anything at the end of the day. In fact,

00:34:42we've had a preemptive strike in respect of two of the issues that really ought to be further

00:34:47debated in the public if that exercise is to go this logical conclusion. We've had a preemptive

00:34:52strike, the governing parties examined it and come to a position and announced it and that's the end

00:34:58of that. Now that's another example, is a preemptive strike against or in respect of two of the matters

00:35:06that are up for discussion the best way to go or the most trustworthy way in which to go about

00:35:11constitutional reform. My answer is no, we got to get it, we got to get the way in which people in

00:35:18public life conduct themselves, we got to get that straight and we have to observe the rules,

00:35:24whatever they are. Yeah, you feel that politicians should have a say when it comes to the post of a

00:35:35police commissioner because you know the politicians will tell you that it is a position

00:35:44where they see the post of the police commissioner as a very independent one and it's a very,

00:35:54we don't interfere with it but I think that sometimes because of the process used to

00:36:01appoint a police commissioner, people don't see it as being very independent and sterile

00:36:08and free from interference. Well I'm glad you've raised that particularly in light of what I was

00:36:16saying about that famous incident. Unhesitatingly yes, the politicians and in particular the

00:36:24government of the day but both the government and opposition should have a say in how the

00:36:30commissioner is appointed and ultimately in who is appointed by the appointment going to the

00:36:36parliament. Doesn't matter what word you use for ratification, for laying, it doesn't matter.

00:36:43Yes, they must have a say because if the policing arrangements are poor, ultimately we look to the

00:36:50government of the day to be accountable for that so they must have a say in the appointment but

00:36:56you see there's a big difference in saying we have a process to appoint an independent commissioner

00:37:02and then in other ways the commissioner appears and I make no reflection on anybody who's held

00:37:07the office now in the past, the commissioner appears and is perceived to be not having

00:37:16sufficient backbone to act independently of the ruling party and that is a problem. It's not so

00:37:23much being independent in name or the process purporting to put somebody independent in office,

00:37:29it's whether they act independently when they get there and my own experience is a little while ago

00:37:36when I was an independent senator, you made a lot of friends but sometimes it was necessary to

00:37:41make enemies and sometimes people withdrew speech to use Dr. Eric Williams's famous phrase, withdrew

00:37:48speech from me because they didn't like something I said or I was working towards. There was a famous

00:37:53incident when they were reforming the arrangements for the removal of the speaker where

00:38:01one of three, I fell out with one of, well not fall out, I've had difficult exchanges

00:38:08with three prime ministers and that was one occasion and ultimately what the independent

00:38:14senators wanted with regard to the removal of the speaker to provide checks and balances prevailed.

00:38:19It was a difficult fight and there was a lot of tension in the discussions and

00:38:25particular phone call I received late-ish at night and people were cross and

00:38:32that's a British word, people were upset and I've had many experiences where people get

00:38:39very upset if you stand your ground on something with regard to checks and balances

00:38:46but that's how it has to be but there's a considerable lack of backbone at the moment

00:38:53among the many persons who hold office in these bodies and there is, Lloyd Best had a wonderful

00:39:01phrase that everybody knows, the validating elites and there's a lack of backbone in the

00:39:05validating elites. We don't ever get to a point where we can have a kind of unanimous say to people

00:39:12that well you have to stop this or you've got to do it this way,

00:39:16things just deteriorate and deteriorate and you get a few wishy-washy statements but ultimately

00:39:22you know there's so little sanction on people seeking elected office if they don't do things

00:39:29in the right way, we're kind of afraid you know but that brings up another whole question about the

00:39:34excessive influence of the government in economy, how easy it is for people to either be victimized

00:39:40or feel they're going to be victimized and all of those things we need to reflect on.

00:39:44Have we got, have we now got a society with backbone and that to me, reflections mean you're

00:39:50looking at wider things, you're not looking at integrity or whether there should be two pound

00:39:54or three pound on the symbol, these are wider issues that we have to reflect on. I saw a bit

00:40:00of your program yesterday and I was pretty pleased, just as a viewer, some of the things that

00:40:07Brian Surrett and others were saying about how we conduct our affairs in PAN and how we conduct

00:40:13our affairs in other ways. Yes. So we are in good shape in terms of harmony and ultimately respecting

00:40:20each other, we may be a little loved, we may be very rash about violence but that's a much bigger

00:40:29problem but ultimately we are very good in the way that we treat with each other and as I said,

00:40:36and as I say on Independence Day, you're going to see a massive show of harmony. It's going to be a

00:40:43very long day incidentally because we not only have the parade in the morning and the various

00:40:48breakfasts, breakfast arrangements at the pan yards and the parade, we're then rolling straight

00:40:54into Pannonia Avenue in the evening so it's going to be a very public display of patriotism and love

00:41:01for country but we have to build on that and we have to take that forward in a way in which the

00:41:07population by and large trusts institutions and by and large can trust the people that they elect

00:41:14to govern us and those are much bigger, they may seem like intangible things but they're very very

00:41:20tangible things. In October I've been asked to do, make some remarks to the Rhode Island-Tobago chapter

00:41:26of Transparency International and I've only accepted because they're going to be dealing

00:41:30with this whole question of public trust. Yes, Mr. Daly, it's always a pleasure speaking with you.

00:41:36Thank you for taking the time to speak with us this morning, we do and we always appreciate your

00:41:42perspectives. Thank you for the contributions over the years and thank you for your service

00:41:47and happy independence to you. Same to you Marlon and to all our viewers and we really

00:41:55have to keep, as we like to say, sweet TNT, we have to put sweet TNT on a much more stable path

00:42:01than it is on at the moment. I'm really concerned about the overall question of stability, so many

00:42:07people are angry, so many people feel dissatisfied, so many people feel they're not getting objective

00:42:13justice and objective justice doesn't mean, just mean, you know, a result in the courthouse,

00:42:19it refers to objective justice, how do I get my child into a school through a process that's

00:42:26objectively just and all of these are very large questions but thank you very much for having me.

00:42:31Bye for now Mr. Daly, thank you again. All right, so it's time for a very quick break, we are coming

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00:45:15All right, so welcome back everyone. So we just have a few minutes before the

00:45:19seven o'clock hour where we are going to be sharing some news with you. But here's what,

00:45:24in the meantime, we can take some calls from you. You're calling us on 623-1711, the extension,

00:45:28it's 1995. As I always tell you, a lot of things going on in Trinidad and Tobago, and I'm sure a

00:45:35lot of things you want to get off your chest, yeah? Once you say it responsibly, right? Call us on 623-1711,

00:45:42the extension, it's 1995. Professor Inbert backs coat of arms move. I support the move. I have no

00:45:49problem with a steel pan, which we have given the world. There should be something more representative

00:45:55of us on the coat of arms. It should represent all of us. So said University of Trinidad and

00:46:00Tobago Chairman, Professor Clement Inbert, as he shared his sentiments on Prime Minister Dr. Keith

00:46:05Rowley's announcement that the national instrument will replace Columbus's ships on the national

00:46:11coat of arms. Inbert also said the pan should be etched on the Caribbean Airlines fleet

00:46:19in keeping with national pride. So he was speaking in a telephone interview yesterday,

00:46:24or is it on Friday? Inbert said changing the coat of arms would reflect our uniqueness,

00:46:31but he maintained it should be done at minimal cost over a period of time, all right? So

00:46:38you're calling us on 623-1711, the extension, it's 1995. And Spirit Lash, mass band backs down

00:46:47over portrayal. We have removed the description of it. It was our intention to promote local tourism

00:46:54internationally. It was never our intention to offend anyone. Now that was the response of

00:47:00Spirit Lash founder, Adrian Schoon, yesterday after the carnival band was criticized for using

00:47:06the Atreya temple and yoga center's name on the band's website. So for carnival 2025, Spirit Mass

00:47:14has a section themed Treya with the overall presentation described as an ode to the attractions

00:47:21and allure of Trinidad and Tobago, all right? All right, so you're calling us on 623-1711,

00:47:28the extension, it's 1995. So we just have a few more minutes, you know what happens sometimes,

00:47:34right? So it's very, very sluggish at the beginning when we ask people to call, and then

00:47:40at the end of the segment, you have this traffic jam of calls. We have a call. Caller, good morning.

00:47:53Caller, you're there? All right, caller, I'm barely hearing you. Change your position a little

00:48:00bit so that we can hear you clearly. You're there with us? Go ahead, go ahead. We'll try to hear you.

00:48:24All right, caller, I apologize. We're not hearing you, all right? And I think it would be a

00:48:28disservice to you if we continued in that way, and a disservice to our viewers too, all right? So

00:48:34if you do have the opportunity, please call back because we want to hear from you, all right? So

00:48:38you're calling us on 623-1711, the extension, it's 1995. Let me see what else is happening. So

00:48:48here now, Cox, not easy to weed out. Fraud squad probing 200 cases, more than 200 suspected cases

00:48:57of grant fraud have been sent to the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, according to Minister

00:49:02of Social Development and Family Services Donna Cox. So you would have seen it in the news last

00:49:08night, and we did show you a bit of it this morning. So the minister was speaking with

00:49:13reporters after the remote cutting ceremony of the, or for the new Port of Spain Social Services

00:49:18Center on Henry Street in Port of Spain. Do we have a call? All right, caller, good morning.

00:49:23Good morning. Morning, ma'am. I just want to clear up something that I read sometime in the paper

00:49:30that your business text on the experts saying that MAPI has now expanded to in St. Lucia and

00:49:39Corcoran, and they are now in Spain for more. MAPI has been here for many years because I've

00:49:47been going there every year. All right. So it makes it sound as though they will now expand.

00:49:52They have been in the Warped Mall for years, because when I go there, I shop, and I come back

00:49:58here and get my points converted. So I think the experts, I don't know, they make it sound like,

00:50:05you know, MAPI has just arrived at the Warped Mall. That's my guess. All right. Thank you very

00:50:11much, ma'am. You're calling us on 623-1711. The extension, it's 1995. As I look at the clock,

00:50:16we just have about maybe five minutes again. So, Cox said, while the ministry has started

00:50:21an exercise to cut down on fraudulent practices in which people were either receiving more than

00:50:26one grant or receiving a grant under false circumstances, it was an issue that was not

00:50:33so easy to weed out. Pleasantville, good morning. Morning, Marlon. Morning. Marlon, listen,

00:50:42this pun situation that we are in, this big hullabaloo about, I'm trying to understand

00:50:48whether or not we are building a headquarters for puns or a headquarters for puns indeed.

00:50:59I believe to honor puns, we should erect something in terms of along the lines of a monument.

00:51:08Mm-hmm. So, I'm trying to wrap my mind around that, my head around that situation there,

00:51:16because some of us believe that building a headquarters for puns in Bigelow is doing

00:51:24something for puns. I mean, I am of the belief, Marlon, that it was no need to declare pun our

00:51:34national instrument, because it was accepted universally that pun was invented here.

00:51:44I don't see other instruments, other countries declaring the piano, violin, or what have you,

00:51:54a national instrument. So, that is what I'm looking at. There's a lot of stuff. Listen,

00:52:02we can patent pun if we wish. Many people patent pharmaceuticals for the same disease,

00:52:13calling it a different name, and then they tend to have a new and improved version

00:52:21to increase their patent so that other people don't manufacture what is called,

00:52:28what's the name of the drug. But anyhow, all in all, and one more last thing, Marlon,

00:52:36this thing about constitutional reform, I haven't seen anything that relates to

00:52:44parliamentary privilege, that parliamentarians can go to parliament and lie and get protection.

00:52:52That is something in our constitution that I think we should change.

00:52:56All right. Thank you very much. Do we have any more time? All right. But before we go to the

00:53:03break, let me just tell the, especially our last caller. So, according to the Ministry of Tourism,

00:53:11Culture, and Arts, the new facility for PAN, when completed, will be a six-story,

00:53:19Class A mixed-use building. The proposed building will also feature a theater auditorium

00:53:25with 300 seats for performances and recordings, a PAN museum, an interpretive center, conference

00:53:31and meeting rooms, a rooftop entertainment area, and a gift shop. All right. It also has

00:53:37a cafeteria, so you can go there and take a little drink, a little soft drink and have a pie and so

00:53:42on. All right. We're coming back, everybody.

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00:56:24Good morning. I am Anselm Gibbs with a news update. Not all senior citizens are eligible

00:56:31for senior citizens pension. A reminder from the Minister of Social Development as investigations

00:56:37into discrepancies at the ministry continue. We have over 200 and something cases that we

00:56:45sent to the police already. Yes. So we are actually waiting on the police to make their move.

00:56:54A man wanted in connection with a recent murder was killed during an alleged shootout with police

00:57:01on Monday. The dead man has been identified as Kellon Branca. According to reports,

00:57:07officers on patrol saw Branca near a bar in Point 14 early Monday morning. Police reports suggest

00:57:14Branca tried to run from the officers and loud explosions were then heard in a bushy area.

00:57:21Police officers reportedly fired their weapons and Branca

00:57:24was later found motionless, allegedly with a gun next to his right hand.

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01:03:11All right, boy, the beautiful sound of pan there. All right, so we do have with us

01:03:16right now TTPS Media Ambassador, Acting Inspector Ansel Ford. Mr. Ford, thank you very much for

01:03:22coming. This is Independence Week, you know, we played that pan music just for you, you know,

01:03:26Mr. Ford. Thank you very much, Marlon. All right, and good morning, Trinidad and Tobago. Yeah. And

01:03:32let me say happy independence in advance. Of course. To the whole of Trinidad and Tobago.

01:03:37Yes, Marlon, so again, I'm here and having dealt with this issue a couple times before. Yes.

01:03:44It is still a challenge for us. And we want to speak to members of the public. I want to say

01:03:49probably a fourth time. All right. Now, recently, officers of the Central Division, I want to say

01:03:57they conducted a sting operation and they would have arrested persons, persons who were

01:04:02scamming other people of money. Right. But this ploy was more or less advertising on social media

01:04:11the opportunity to own a vehicle. Right. And we we know it in the concept of work to own.

01:04:19Right. Where somebody might give you a vehicle and you pay for it over time and eventually you

01:04:24own it. Right. Now, whilst it is we know that this may involve a private vehicle and sometimes

01:04:30people may take it and ply it, which is an offense in itself. Right. Whilst we're not

01:04:35dealing with the offense, we're dealing with the issue of the fraud that is taking place,

01:04:40where persons are being tricked. Right. And why this is happening? It is because of that,

01:04:47you know, opportunity that that person believes that he or she is getting to own a vehicle. Right.

01:04:52And what they are not doing, like and similar to other other things, because a lot of things

01:04:59have been advertised, be it tools, right, equipment, furnishings, right, have been advertised

01:05:06on these marketplaces. Right. And persons probably see it as an opportunity to get

01:05:12something at a reasonable price. Obviously, it will be attractive, attractive, so they would make it

01:05:19reasonable. But the intention really is for you to part with your money. And after that,

01:05:25as you last you hear of these people. Right. So in this particular case,

01:05:29good work by the officers in the Central Division. Right. Is that after numerous reports of persons

01:05:36saying that it would have sought this opportunity to own a vehicle and they would have met with

01:05:42persons and paid a down payment. Right. And in some cases might be six thousand dollars thereabout.

01:05:48And they hustle you in terms of from visiting the site where the item is advertised. Thereafter,

01:05:56there is continuous contact. Right. To beat you, to hustle you into making that payment,

01:06:01to make a down payment, to block the vehicle or to block the item. Right. And all of that is

01:06:05part and parcel of the trick to get you to part with your money. And based on the numerous reports,

01:06:11the officers would have conducted a nice thing operation and they arrested persons

01:06:17to be who was suspected to be involved in that particular activity. But this comes after the

01:06:24fact that I came here. Right. And other ambassadors and other programs would have

01:06:30tried to sensitize members of the public against this risk. Yes. Right. This this threat that is

01:06:37taking place. So once again, I want to speak to members of the public. Your hard earned money

01:06:48is not simply to give away. All right. What we would like for you to do one is exercise due

01:06:57diligence. Not everything that appears to be good is actually good. So you need to do your

01:07:07verification in the first instance. So, yes, you are interested in acquiring an item.

01:07:14Someone offered it for sale. You have to take the time to check into that person or that company.

01:07:24Right. And ensure that when you part with your money, that you are not being ripped off,

01:07:31that you are actually getting something in exchange for your money, something that has value.

01:07:37So verify whether the company is a legitimate company. You can inquire from persons if they

01:07:44ever did business side with this company before you part with your money. Right.

01:07:51When it is and I could relate to someone personally who would have told me about an

01:07:57experience like that, where it is they operated in this way. The person who they were communicating

01:08:05with was a female who represented the company. And up to the point of making the payment,

01:08:14they were expecting to meet with that person. And very late in that transaction, the female

01:08:21indicated that something came up. I would not be able to come, but I would send someone to meet you.

01:08:28And indeed, they met with a male person. And the person came with a receipt that was already

01:08:37prepared for the money that the person agreed to pay. And that transaction took place. And thereafter,

01:08:48there was no contact with the person, the female. That is the trick. The person disappeared.

01:08:55And more so, because of how it was done, right, to connect the persons to the offense or to the

01:09:05crime, you realize that had different stages, different persons, and there wasn't any

01:09:10connection really. Right. So from an investigative perspective, we have a lot of work to do to try to

01:09:16link these persons. And the mere fact that a receipt came to you, right, which we would want

01:09:22as evidence, you cannot really tell us who gave you that receipt, really. Right. So,

01:09:29excuse me, understanding that you have a lot of people out there who are trying to,

01:09:38I want to say, defraud you of your money, trying to steal from you. And they are coming about it

01:09:44in the form of a trick. You need to be aware of this. And because of the awareness,

01:09:50you would reduce your chances or the risk of you becoming a victim of this type of activity.

01:09:58Right. So why is it important that you take your time? Don't ever, Marlon, don't ever be too anxious

01:10:07to seal a deal. Don't ever. Take your time and do your verification. It's a vehicle

01:10:17through licensing. There is a means by which you can acquire a certified copy. Right. It may take

01:10:22you, if it's a couple of days or a week before you get that certified copy. Right. But it's all

01:10:28part and parcel of you satisfying yourself that the person who I'm dealing with or the person

01:10:34who is representing him or herself as the owner of this vehicle, according to the registration,

01:10:40yeah, you are. Right. So then I have a lot more information to go on and I'm actually

01:10:47satisfying myself that it is a legitimate transaction. Right. Mr. Ford, I just have

01:10:53just over a minute again. Yes, sure. So the red flags, Marlon, that you have to look out for,

01:11:00right, is if the deal is too sweet. Too sweet. Too sweet. Right. Don't fall for that trick.

01:11:09The best prices that are offering you doesn't necessarily mean that you'll get anything

01:11:14in exchange for your money. So don't get fooled by the lowest prices.

01:11:21If it is that they want to throw in other goodies, right, to make it a song a little

01:11:27more attractive. All of that is things that you have to be mindful of. And when you decide to

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01:14:49All right, everybody. So welcome back. So a renewed discussion about the country's statues,

01:15:06monuments, and signage. All right. So we do have with us this morning are members of the

01:15:11cabinet approved statues, monuments, and signage committee, Dr. Rita Pemberton. And we also have

01:15:18Mr. Lawrence Arjun. Thank you very much for coming this morning. Thank you for having us.

01:15:22Of course. Absolutely. Well, Dr. Pemberton, let's speak a little bit about your committee.

01:15:29What's the, well, when was the committee set up and what is the objective of the committee?

01:15:35The committee was set up in September last year. The objective is to determine what is

01:15:44the popular view about placing statues, monuments, and signage in Trinidad and Tobago.

01:15:54And this came about because there have been calls for removals in a number of places,

01:16:01particularly in and around Port of Spain. And the government felt a need to give attention

01:16:09to that matter. And so this committee was created to examine the situation and make

01:16:17recommendations. So we were asked to develop a program for ourselves to determine how we will

01:16:25go forward. And this is what we did. Yeah. All right. But from what I'm seeing, and maybe Mr.

01:16:31Arjun can come in here, I see that you all have held 14 meetings already. So to build on what

01:16:38the chairman was speaking about before, the whole purpose is to develop this national policy for

01:16:43placement of statues, monuments, and signage in the country. And it's not just about things that

01:16:49exist. It's about what do we do going forward? How do we look at what do we want to consider

01:16:55as a country, as a people of Trinidad and Tobago, when it comes to statues, signage, and monuments?

01:16:59So we've met with over 40 different stakeholder groups so far to get their views on the matter.

01:17:06We would have opened our call for written submissions, and we would have gotten about

01:17:12over 150 written submissions, either via the online form, either via email submissions. Because

01:17:18a lot of people have a lot to say about statues, signage, and monuments, and a policy, and what we

01:17:24should be looking at as a country. Yeah. Dr. Pemberton, is there still an opportunity for

01:17:33more people and more stakeholders, groups as it were, to give their comments on this issue to the

01:17:41committee? Yes, most certainly. We have put out a public call in the newspapers, and we have an

01:17:48email address, and people can give written submissions. We have boxes collected at the

01:17:53Office of the Prime Minister. And there are constant ads in the newspapers. So

01:18:01there are opportunities for all those persons who wish at this point to make an input, and we

01:18:07welcome it. Yeah. And just to add to what the chairman is saying, tomorrow we're hosting our

01:18:12Trinidad public consultation. It's an open consultation to everyone, and we would have

01:18:16spent the time previously engaging with stakeholder groups. Now we're inviting the public to come out,

01:18:23if you've not been engaged through a stakeholder group, and if you have things to say, to come to

01:18:26our public consultation, to come to the public consultation tomorrow at the auditorium at the

01:18:31Government Plaza from 5 to 7 p.m. in Port of Spain. There will be a consultation in Tobago that we

01:18:37will announce later on as well to get the Tobago views, but very importantly is the option for

01:18:43written submissions. That's where we think people will have the space to get all of their views in,

01:18:50and provide details, provide documents, provide references, provide as much information as they

01:18:54can. We've gotten a significant number of submissions, thousands of pages of information

01:19:00to review and go through to include in the report in the policy. So we, yes there's a public

01:19:07consultation happening tomorrow as well, but we also want people to take advantage of the written

01:19:12submissions and providing as much information as they think relevant to this topic. Doctor,

01:19:18I suspect we can say that you all can say that you got a significant response. Yeah, we have,

01:19:23and people have been calling and asking, and people, you know, it is amazing how the public

01:19:28functions. So people see that as a newspaper, and then they will call. I have received several calls

01:19:33asking for an invitation, and I've said but what's in the newspaper is an invitation, but it is an

01:19:39indication of the level of interest in the matter, and when the matter was first raised, you know,

01:19:44there was passionate input from some individuals and groups, but there is a residual corpus

01:19:54of strong views on these matters. Yeah. They don't articulate, they don't come out in public,

01:20:01but it is clear that they have firm views of what they want, and more so what they don't want.

01:20:08All right, and just touching on that, Doctor, is it possible for you to say anything about some of

01:20:15the views that you have gotten thus far? Well, we don't want to come out with any views just yet,

01:20:24but what I would say, there are some issues that have been expressed by, or concerns I would say,

01:20:34have been expressed by some of the people with whom we spoke, one of them being education,

01:20:41that there is some unhappiness about the knowledge of ourselves and our society,

01:20:52and the persons who contributed in various ways to our society, that these items are not reflected

01:20:59satisfactorily in the school curriculum, so you have generations coming up who are not aware,

01:21:06and so you see a street name in a place of a person that is of great significance,

01:21:13but people pass by, they don't know who is, and on the other hand, they have street names

01:21:18with persons who some deem undesirable, and again, there's a, I don't know,

01:21:30kind of attitude to it, so that underscores much of the input from many of the groups.

01:21:39Yeah, judging from this document that I would have received here, I see that there is a level

01:21:46of attention, read the Columbus statue. Yes, that is one of the triggers of the

01:21:55decision of government to form this committee, and the Columbus story has

01:22:06caused much displeasure in many places, right, and we have been taught for a long time about

01:22:14Columbus coming with these three ships and that sort of thing, which has proven to be

01:22:21untrue, right, so that is why the sentiments about Columbus are so strong, and his role

01:22:28with respect to the treatment of the first peoples. Yes. Yeah, so with those two negatives,

01:22:34people ask, well, what are we doing with a statue of Columbus in the heart of Waters Bay? Yeah,

01:22:39so just to build on what Chair is saying there, the government would have received calls and

01:22:43petitions to remove the statue, and the government took the decision that at a matter like this

01:22:49requires national discourse, and they will not make a decision unless they get the input of the

01:22:54public on such a matter, which is one of the triggers to this committee, but going back to

01:22:59the first point that the committee is not just about removing a statue, it's about understanding

01:23:06that in this discourse about what we may want or what we may not want, or how we go about

01:23:12establishing statues and monuments and signs, what do we as a country want to see as the

01:23:20policy? What do we want to focus on? What do we want to represent? What do we want

01:23:24recognized through statues, signs, and monuments? And then what is the process that follows in how

01:23:28we go about establishing statues, signs, and monuments? And to come back to your previous

01:23:33question about some of the things that have been raised without talking about the results of the

01:23:37committee, there have been some points that have been consistent throughout. Chair touched on the

01:23:42education point about how do we educate about statues, signs, and monuments? How do statues,

01:23:47signs, and monuments, when they are placed, connect to education as well? How are we using

01:23:51technology in the system? But also how are we including people in the consultation and the

01:23:56decision-making around statues, signs, and monuments? So this consultation, this work

01:24:01of the committee, is that starting point of including the views of the people of how we

01:24:06manage all of this going forward. Yeah, Madam Chair, how much time do people have

01:24:12for to submit these, to submit their comments? We have, the process is open right up until

01:24:21the Tobago consultation has happened. We haven't set a date yet, but after tomorrow's

01:24:29consultation in Port of Spain, we will take a decision on where, when we will go to Tobago.

01:24:35And after all of this information is compiled, what's the next step? Well, the next step is that

01:24:40we now have our work before us, so we have to go through all of the comments, reports,

01:24:47that people have submitted, and then we have to go through that and determine

01:24:53what lines of policy we would recommend to the government. And it will be based on the

01:24:58information that we have gathered. We will attach all our evidence when we submit our final report,

01:25:05but this is how it's going to be, so that everybody's view has worth in the process.

01:25:11Madam Chair, it sounds like a lengthy process, you know. Well, you know, you know what

01:25:18I used to say, the old people would say, but now since I'm in that group,

01:25:22I have what they used to say a long time. Yeah. You have to take night and make day.

01:25:28All right. Mr. Arjun, I have about five seconds. Anything else you'd like to tell us before you

01:25:32leave us this morning? This is a chance for people to help shape and determine what our

01:25:37national identity is, and I think people should take advantage of the opportunity.

01:25:42Submit your written submissions, come to public consultation if you can, and let us know what

01:25:47you want to see, what the people of Trinidad and Tobago want to see with statues, monuments,

01:25:51and signage. Could you give us the information as to where that they can give these written

01:25:55submissions? So they can email committee on monuments at gov.tt, or they can search for

01:26:02ttstatues, monuments, and signage on Facebook and Instagram, and they'll get the links to the

01:26:07online submission. Yeah. But we certainly want everybody, we want inputs. Keep. Yes. It's never

01:26:12too late. Keep it coming. Keep it coming. Madam Chair, thank you very much, and Mr. Arjun, thank

01:26:17you very much for coming this morning. We do appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you very much for

01:26:21having us. Of course. All right. So we are going to a very short break, everybody. When we come back,

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01:28:32All right, everybody. So welcome back. So it's time for our WCPL segment. Joining us today is one

01:28:42of the rising stars of the West Indies. Of course, we do and we are speaking about Zeta James of the

01:28:50Trinbago Knight Riders. Zeta, good morning. Oh, she's not there as yet. All right. Okay.

01:28:56So again, as the segment goes on, I'm going to tell you if we are also giving out some tickets

01:29:05this morning. Of course, over the past few days, we have been giving out tickets. I hope that you

01:29:09all have been taking the opportunity to check out the games at the Brian Lara Cricket Academy.

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01:29:33one day and hopefully soon they can become household names. So when we call this one's

01:29:39name and that one's name that you know who they are. Also, I think what is or has been instrumental

01:29:48in the discussion that we have been having over the past few days also is that the same amount of

01:29:55passion and expertise and experience that we sometimes see in the men's game, we are seeing

01:30:04that in the women's game. So if you go to the women's game, it is going to be just as exciting

01:30:13as the men's game. All right. So we will jump in deeper into our discussion concerning the WCPL.

01:30:22Do we have Zeta as yet? All right. We do have Zeta. Good morning, Zeta.

01:30:30Hi, good morning. Yes. All right. I'm not seeing Zeta as yet. Hopefully we... Ah, look, Zeta is there.

01:30:37Zeta, good morning. Thank you very much for joining us this morning. So you are, well, you know,

01:30:43Zeta, you know, in Trinidad and Tobago, we have a certain type of love for TKR, right? So

01:30:49I suspect we have a certain level of love for you too, Zeta. But let's look at the performance

01:30:55of your team at this time. Let's speak about that. So far, in the beginning, well, for us,

01:31:07we handled ourselves pretty well in that match against Guyana. So I think that we just have to

01:31:15build and try to win against Barbados tonight. Yeah. What have been, you think, that some of

01:31:25the challenges that you all have been experiencing and what steps have you all... And I don't mean

01:31:32to ask you that, Zeta, because sometimes I know the other team may be listening. I'm not asking

01:31:37you to give us your secrets this morning and what you have up your sleeve. But what have been some

01:31:42of the challenges that you think that you all have been working on so that you get, you know,

01:31:48greater results? With the defacto in the night's games, it's pretty hard. This is one of the

01:31:59major challenges we've had with the wet ball. You know, the defacto, the binaries,

01:32:04it's actually really bad. You know, as spin bowlers, you try to get that grip. But

01:32:10we've been struggling lately. But, you know, for me, as a youth growing up, getting into the game,

01:32:17learning a lot from the senior bowlers and I've been practicing with it. You know, I think that's

01:32:23the only struggle we've been having. But I think, you know, we learn and we grow every day. So it's

01:32:29just a new step in my game right now. Yeah. So I suspect it is safe to say, Zeta, that you expect

01:32:38a better performance from your team in the next few days.

01:32:42Yeah, I think every game we've improved. And looking at our first game, we only scored

01:32:51just a little bit of runs. And then that partnership with Pandey and I, I think we

01:32:57brought the team back together. And then in the second game, the batter stepped up. And then the

01:33:03other game, you know, they kept on scoring runs. But I think as a bowling group, I think we still

01:33:09need to do something. We're actually doing a lot better now. But I think we just need to put

01:33:18everything together. And once we do this, I think we'll bring the winnings together.

01:33:24Yeah. So Zeta, you have your next match is tomorrow night. And a little birdie tells me

01:33:30you all have to win, you know, Zeta.

01:33:33Yeah, yeah. We do have to win this. Once we win this, we get straight into the final.

01:33:38So looking forward to that.

01:33:40Yeah. So Zeta, tell us a little bit about, for people, because yes, people are going to be

01:33:49familiar with you. But there are some people who may not be familiar with you. So let's talk a

01:33:57little bit about your introduction into cricket and how long have you been playing cricket. And

01:34:03let's look at the journey. Let's also look at the aspects of cricket that you do like. In my

01:34:10interviews with some of your colleagues over the past few days, some of them would have told me,

01:34:13well, they like everything about cricket. They like fielding, batting, bowling, you know. So

01:34:19let's talk about that. What is your journey like?

01:34:22I'll answer the last question. Yes, I like everything. I like doing everything as well.

01:34:27But my journey, I first started off playing cricket on a PlayStation or PlayStation.

01:34:35And I just looked at the game and I really liked the game and I kept watching him play.

01:34:42And then I started in the house, used to take those water bottles, those

01:34:47big coolers, used it as a stump, play in the house. Yeah, but I broke the TV, I broke the

01:34:52window. But I think by now it's fixed. It's only fixed now. And then I went into the John

01:35:00Eugene's Cricket Academy. That's where I think I started my career. And also I joined South

01:35:06Castro's women's team. Then I headed over to the Central Castro's with my coach, Keith

01:35:21Shawry. And from there, I have had a successful. Well, just coming into the team, you know, I've

01:35:29I maintain myself. I try to keep working as hard as it goes or two times harder than him so that

01:35:36I could, you know, be myself and, you know, just showcase my talent out there. But I think with

01:35:42the hard work, putting in the hard work for a few years, you know, I just I just got to keep

01:35:48working hard and until I, you know, I get I get to lean for myself. Yeah. All right. So Zeta,

01:35:55here's what we are going to do. We are going to a very short break. And when we return,

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01:40:26All right. So, welcome back, everyone. So, we are continuing our discussion on the WCPL with

01:40:55Zeta James of the Trinbago Knight Riders. All right. So, Zeta, welcome back. We do have a

01:41:02question for our viewers. So, we're asking them to name two TKR players. Now, we asked Zeta

01:41:12to give us the question, but Zeta's questions are a little bit difficult for our viewers. All right,

01:41:18Zeta. So, we're asking you for the names of two TKR players. So, Zeta, you all are playing tonight,

01:41:25right? Yeah, we're playing tonight. All right. Against what team? Barbados. Barbados Royals.

01:41:33All right. So, TKR plays tonight. Tomorrow is a rest day. And then on Thursday, you have the

01:41:39finals. And Zeta, yeah. Yeah. And Zeta is hoping that her team would be in the finals. All right.

01:41:46So, you're calling us on 623-1711. The extension, it's 1995. So, we are giving away two tickets for

01:41:53the WCPL. Zeta, we do have our first caller. Good morning, caller. Caller, are you there?

01:42:02Morning. Morning. Two TKR players for two tickets.

01:42:06And what's the last name?

01:42:13Caller, you need to be slow on the pronunciation of the last name. What name again?

01:42:22Zeta, is the caller correct?

01:42:28Zeta, is the caller correct?

01:42:36He's good. All right, caller. You have won two tickets. All right. So, please speak to our

01:42:43producer. She'll give you all of the details. All right. So, again, I believe that we're giving away

01:42:49a few more tickets. All right. So, you're calling us on 623-1711. The extension, it's 1995. All

01:42:56right. So, I guess I'm going to have to come up with another question. All right. So, the other

01:43:00question is, we're going to ask, when is the finals? That is a simple question. All right.

01:43:08So, you can call us on 623-1711. The extension, it's 1995. So, we are continuing our discussion

01:43:14with Zeta James. So, Zeta, what I have learned from speaking to some of the players over the

01:43:26past few days is that this is a lot of work. Cricket is a lot, a lot of work. It's a lot,

01:43:33a lot of preparation. Yeah. Speak to that for us.

01:43:40When I was younger, what I'm doing now, I never knew we had all of those things going like

01:43:48S&Cs. You had to do gym. You know, you had to do all of those little things,

01:43:53and all of those little things that people don't see, but they only see, they actually

01:43:58see what you want to see. The work behind it now, growing up, I did not know it was so tough. But,

01:44:05you know, once you keep doing it, you will get fitter. But, you know, just the little bits and

01:44:12pieces from each and every person, they tell you this and they tell you that. It comes together,

01:44:17and you know, you come out of your shell. You know, you get accustomed to it. So, I think it's

01:44:22a lot of, it's a lot of hard work, but once you put in the work, you will get results.

01:44:28But what continues to keep you inspired by it? And, all right, I believe that we do have our

01:44:37next caller. Good morning, caller. You have the correct answer for us as to when, what date it's

01:44:45the finals. Hello, yes, yes, good morning. Is it the Sunday coming? Caller, if you were listening

01:44:57to me, you would have known when the finals are, right? I can't tell you when, you're going to have

01:45:03to rewind, right? Right, but what I can tell you, the finals, it's very, very near. We do have

01:45:11another caller. Good morning, caller. Hi, good morning. Morning. Morning. Yeah, do you have the

01:45:20correct answer? It's on Thursday. Yeah, all right, and just like that, ma'am, you have won two

01:45:27tickets, right? So, thank you very much for calling this morning. Congratulations to you. So, Zeta,

01:45:34to the question that I would have asked, what keeps you inspired? Because it's not an easy task.

01:45:41What really keeps me inspired is watching those other players, like from Australia, England,

01:45:52you know, how they come about doing their work. You know, it motivates me to, just like them,

01:45:57you know, just comparing myself to them and looking at all the work ethics they are putting,

01:46:03you know, and it gives them good results. So, you know, they start to come along the way,

01:46:10how fit they are, you know, how they go along practicing, bowling, you know, you learn so much

01:46:15from them. So, I just take note of each and every one of them. Yeah. Now, from what I also know,

01:46:21Zeta, is that you have also played for the West Indies. What was that experience like for you?

01:46:30It has been a great adventure thus far. You know, literally just coming out of the

01:46:36U19 World Cup and getting into the team, you know, it was a remarkable time for me. I will

01:46:43always remember that day. You know, from then, you know, I've tried to keep myself in the team,

01:46:50you know, but with that, it's a lot of hard work and I've been putting in the work and, you know,

01:46:56trying to just maintain myself. Yeah. Do you see yourself in the Windy squad at this year's

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01:47:17Yeah, based on the past few months of work and what I've been doing at camp, I think

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01:47:32break again. Studio, are we giving away some more tickets? Yeah, we're giving away tickets,

01:47:37tickets galore. All right, so we're going to come back with another question so you can get

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01:52:13Premier League. All right, so welcome back everyone. So we are continuing our discussion

01:52:24with Zeta James of TKR and Zeta has a question for you all. Zeta, what's the question for our viewers?

01:52:36Who is TKR's next opponent this evening? Beautiful. All right, so you're calling us

01:52:43on 623.17.11. Actually, we do have a caller already. Caller, TKR's opponent this evening. What team?

01:52:55Caller, please listen to us. Barbados. Barbados. Zeta, is he correct? Yes, he is.

01:53:04All right. Congratulations, sir. And let me tell you, these tickets are for the finals. Yeah, so

01:53:12very, very valuable tickets. Yeah. Studio, do we have more time to give away some tickets? Yes or

01:53:19no? Is that going to be it? All right, so that's going to be it. Congratulations to all of our

01:53:24viewers. Zeta, what would you like to achieve in cricket in a holistic way? Yes, you have already

01:53:36played for the Windies. You are playing at the WCPL. What is it that you would want to achieve?

01:53:45Greatness. Yeah. Yeah. To be honest, it's no other way to say it. I just want to, you know,

01:53:52put myself up there as well. Just like we got here, Matthews, try to lead. You know, she's been

01:53:58a great leader, so I'm just looking forward to working behind her. Yeah. Zeta, in these final

01:54:06minutes here, I want you to speak to the fans and encourage them to come down to the ground

01:54:12and encourage them to come down to the ground this evening to see TKR. Speak to them.

01:54:20Yeah, I urge all you guys to come out to support us. I think we really need that support tonight

01:54:25and your support will literally help us. And, you know, you guys could also come along and bring

01:54:33that energy into the finals. So let's hope that, you know, I urge all of you to come to come out

01:54:37and support us tonight. And I thank you for all the support for the past few years that we've had.

01:54:43Thank you. Yeah. Come out and see Zeta and the rest of the team this evening. So it's going to

01:54:50be a very, very interesting game. Zeta, we wish you and the team all the best and we wish you

01:54:56all the best in your future endeavors. It was a pleasure speaking with you this morning.

01:55:00Bye for now. Thank you. All right. So that's going to do it for our program for today. Thank

01:55:07you to all of our guests. Thank you to you, the viewers. We'll do it right back here tomorrow

01:55:12morning at six o'clock. Bye, everybody. This segment was brought to you by Republic Bank,

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