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00:00:00And a very special good morning Trinidad and Tobago and the rest of the world.
00:00:17I'm Marlon Hopkins and as always, welcome to The Morning Edition.
00:00:19It's Tuesday, 6th August and thank you very much for joining us this morning.
00:00:23Let's get a little bit more of the music now, studio.
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00:00:28Yeah, I can hear you all now, look at him, he's dancing again, right?
00:00:38But let me tell you something, you need some positive vibes this morning, because last
00:00:44night was not a very good night and there were at least three or four murders last night.
00:00:54And, you know, when these things happen, young men again, right?
00:01:00And I'm just thinking, what is fueling all of this hate among our young people?
00:01:09Why is there this thirst for gang inclusivity among our young people?
00:01:19Why is there this thirst to kill someone and end someone's life?
00:01:29You remember a few, maybe over a year ago, there was this talk about an explosion.
00:01:37We expect an explosion in mental problems among people in Trinidad and Tobago.
00:01:45Is that a reason for that?
00:01:47Do you think that that could be contributing to that?
00:01:50You think, and we hear the police speak about it sometimes, the use of drugs, things like
00:01:56molly and all of the other types of drugs.
00:01:59You think the young people using drugs and that is what is contributing to this situation.
00:02:07So you have a situation where we're spending billions of dollars per year on national security
00:02:15and protecting people and so on.
00:02:18But I wonder if we're spending the same amount of energy and resources in trying to understand
00:02:24why our young people, why our young people are going into this direction.
00:02:30It's a frightening state of affairs among our young people.
00:02:36This is madness that is happening.
00:02:43Let's check out to see what's on the front page of the newspaper today.
00:02:45Not good news again.
00:02:48Suspected seven gang member is Tobago, murder number 19, Dolly Boss shot dead.
00:02:56Alleged gang member gunned down, murder and mayhem in Tobago.
00:03:00Blood continues to flow in Tobago as the Sister Isle recorded its 19th murder for the year
00:03:06with the killing of a woman who is alleged to be a gang member.
00:03:09And around 3 p.m. yesterday, alleged seven gang member Victoria Guerra, alias Dolly Boss,
00:03:15was shot multiple times in Argyle, Tobago.
00:03:20Amazing Alexandre, Brazil's Bruna Alexandre, plays against South Korea's Lee Yoon-hee during
00:03:28a women's team's round of 16-table tennis match at the Paris Summer Olympics 2024 yesterday
00:03:35in France.
00:03:37And mom, full of regret after son dies, I didn't kiss him goodbye.
00:03:41All right, we're moving on to some sport now.
00:03:45Basraff challenged Guyana court rules appointment as VP unlawfuls, CWI to appeal.
00:03:52The election of cricket to West Indies vice president, Azim Basraff, has been declared
00:03:57unlawful by the Supreme Court of Guyana.
00:04:00Guyana High Court Judge Justice Navendra Singh yesterday ordered and declared that the election
00:04:04of Basraff as CWI Inc. vice president at the CWI election held on March 25th, 2023,
00:04:12was null and void and of no legal effect, being contrary to the Articles of Association
00:04:17of Cricket West Indies and the Laws and Rules Governing Elections for Guyana Cricket Board
00:04:22stated in a news release.
00:04:25All right.
00:04:27You know, just getting back to this crime situation.
00:04:31There's a video for those of you who maneuver social media, and I was shocked to see a video
00:04:44a few days ago where some young women, maybe about four or five of them, and they were
00:04:50playing with a high powered weapon.
00:04:53And they were so happy because they were drinking to it.
00:04:56So it was a party.
00:04:58I don't know if they were playing spin the gun, you know, you have spin the bottle.
00:05:03I don't know if it was spin the gun, but they were very happy in playing with this weapon
00:05:09and showing it on social media.
00:05:12So it's not only the boys are being impacted by this or being pulled into the gangs, but
00:05:19the girls too.
00:05:20Yeah.
00:05:21Let's remind persons about Trinbago, a nice feature.
00:05:24But to participate, email your videos and images to that address.
00:05:30That address there.
00:05:31All right.
00:05:32So please make a note of it.
00:05:33We do appreciate all your videos and your photographs.
00:05:37We do have a video, a photograph for our viewers this morning.
00:05:40Yeah.
00:05:41Beautiful flowers, man.
00:05:42It's a good time to plant, you know, we're still in the rainy season.
00:05:47All right.
00:05:48So we do have a lot for you on the program today.
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00:12:19Ms. Ali, well, let's speak a little bit about the reason for this shutdown.
00:12:23Yes.
00:12:24Yes.
00:12:25This shutdown is part of our ongoing transformation of the authority.
00:12:31of the authority. We have been engaged in several projects aimed at improving operational
00:12:37efficiency of the authority throughout Trinidad and Tobago actually. And these works are the
00:12:43latest program of works that we will be implementing on our transplant distribution. Now Aisha
00:12:51will give a little more details on the benefits and the income and how it will tie into our
00:12:57digital transformation. We have recently commissioned our operational control center
00:13:03a couple of weeks ago. And with that commissioning, we have started to integrate a lot of our
00:13:10operational parameters, meaning flows and pressures. And this will all entail, you know,
00:13:16better operational efficiency for everyone and for better decision making. Now, as you
00:13:22have indicated, the shutdown is scheduled. It's a planned shutdown. It is to commence
00:13:27on Friday from 12 p.m. That's Friday, the 9th of August, 12 p.m. to Sunday, 12 p.m.
00:13:36August 2024. So this shutdown will really be 24 hours. We have been engaged in a number
00:13:43of planning initiatives and strategies for implementation mitigation strategies to ensure
00:13:51that the extent of the disruption and the recovery period is minimum. But Miss Ali,
00:13:58what I'm seeing here, because the Water and Sewage Authority would have sent out a statement
00:14:04a few days ago, from what I'm seeing is that this or these works are going to result in
00:14:11the interruption of service to a number of communities. That's correct. The Charony Water
00:14:20Treatment Plant produces 75 million imperial gallons per day. And it's our largest facility.
00:14:28It serves both North and South Trinidad. And it's a massive system. It supplies actually
00:14:3431% of our production, actually. So just to give an idea, in the northern part of the
00:14:41country, served by the Valsing A and B Station, we'll have areas such as St. Augustine, Mount
00:14:48Fable Village, Santa Cruz, Charflare, in areas by the El Socorro Booster, and all these derived
00:14:55air source from the Charony Plant, areas such as Barataria, Mova, Gonzales, St. Ann's, Cascade,
00:15:02DB, Cochrane, Belmont, far central as Pia, Coconut Pia, Chaguanas, Endeavor, Junenham.
00:15:10And once we go even further southwest in the peninsula, areas from San Fernando to
00:15:17Point Fortin, such as DB, Separia, Labre, Roselac, Avocado, Faisalabad, Pinal. So it's
00:15:25an extensive shutdown. It will impact approximately 500,000 persons, both North and South.
00:15:32So let's get it clear, Ms. Alley. So that means that there is not going to be any water
00:15:38for 500,000 people?
00:15:41Yes, essentially, but our mitigation strategies, and as I've mentioned, we have put in place
00:15:48several strategies to limit the extent of the disruption. So a few of them would be using
00:15:55alternative sources of supply. All of our other water treatment facilities will be maximum
00:16:01production. That will be the Norte Oro Poach, the Maraval, Tacarigua, all those systems
00:16:07will be at maximum production. We will also be increasing production at the Navette Water
00:16:13Treatment Plant, which also serves a significant part of the southern area. So based on the
00:16:19use of the alternative supply, we will still have some amount of water into the system
00:16:26in areas where we can use the alternative supply. In addition to which, we have expanded
00:16:32our water trucking fleet, and that fleet will be designated to those areas critical and
00:16:40those customers who require critical truckload supply. So it has been expanded essentially
00:16:46to cover that north and south communities, especially at the extremities.
00:16:50Yeah. All right, Ms. Romano, let's speak a little bit about the reason for these works
00:16:59and the benefits.
00:17:03Good morning to our viewing audience. So the purpose of the shutdown is actually twofold.
00:17:08One, we intend to do works at the rural water intake at the Karani Water Treatment Plant,
00:17:13where we will be changing out one of our transformers there, and this goes towards
00:17:19ensuring reliability. And so that we will not have issues, electrical issues in the
00:17:24future. So that's redundancy there. And then we took the opportunity because the plant
00:17:29was shutting down for the planned works to complete the bulk metering exercise that we
00:17:34started over a year ago. So on our five transmission lines emanating from our four
00:17:41major water treatment plants, which will be North Orokuch, Hollis, Navette, and Karani,
00:17:46at each of the offtakes, which amounts to 124 such offtakes, we would have installed a
00:17:52meter so that we can actually measure the volume and the pressure, the volume of water
00:17:57and the pressures exiting these transmission lines. So out of those 124 sites, we only
00:18:03have seven remaining to do. And these are the seven that we will be installing during
00:18:08the shutdown. Four along the North Karani line and three along the south. And the
00:18:13benefits of this are really twofold as well. One, we will be able to, as I said, measure
00:18:20the volume of water exiting at these offtakes. And that way we can actually complete what
00:18:24we call a water balance. We know, for example, Karani is producing 75 million gallons
00:18:29along each offtake, how much water of that 75 million is exiting at these various points.
00:18:35Those, the amount of water exiting is supposed to equal the amount of water that Karani
00:18:40plant is actually discharging. If it is not equal, then we know that we possibly have a
00:18:45leak along our transmission main or there's an illegal offtake. And this is very, very
00:18:51important for us to be able to properly manage our water supply. Additionally, it helps us
00:18:57manage further in terms of making the distribution of the water along that line more
00:19:01equitable. So we know that persons who live at the extremities of these various systems
00:19:06tend to have deficiencies in supply because the water is coming off at a larger volume
00:19:12at the offtakes closer to the plant. We'll be able to manage that more closely and
00:19:17therefore ultimately serve our customers better and ensure that the customers are
00:19:21satisfied with an equitable supply of water.
00:19:25Miss Ali, from what I'm seeing here in your statement or the statement from the Water and
00:19:30Resources Authority, that some special arrangements are being put in place and it speaks
00:19:37about health institutions. It speaks about increasing water trucking capacity, etc., etc.
00:19:44Could you please just touch on some of these measures for us?
00:19:49Yes, definitely. And as I've mentioned, we have been engaged in a lot of planning
00:19:55activities. And as we speak, teams on the ground put in all those arrangements in place.
00:20:01Now, I've already mentioned in terms of the use of the alternative sources from our other water
00:20:06treatment facilities. Our water trucking, as I've mentioned, also will be expanded.
00:20:11We have bought on additional trucks to cover those critical institutions.
00:20:16Now, I would like to share some contact numbers with the public.
00:20:20And these are the 800-4420 or 800-4426, where members of the public can call in for truckload
00:20:33requests. There are also some self-service options through our customer portal on our
00:20:39website. That website is www.wasa.gov.tt.
00:20:48So through these means, persons who require truckload service can feel free to contact these
00:20:56numbers or on the WASA portal.
00:20:59And of course, we will give priority to those critical institutions.
00:21:04Now, one other thing I would like to mention, for the recovery period of the shutdown, we
00:21:09will also be, during the next few days, publishing the revised schedules so that persons
00:21:15who are in the affected communities in North and South, as I've mentioned, will be able to
00:21:20look at their next schedule date.
00:21:22So this will be important.
00:21:24Those persons who will miss the schedule from that Friday to Sunday time frame will then be
00:21:30able to see when would be the next available date.
00:21:33Once the plant resumes operations on Sunday, immediately we will commence recovery in terms
00:21:40of restoring all the scheduled supply, and we expect and anticipate that within 6 to 12
00:21:47hours, immediately supply would be restored to some of those communities, especially the
00:21:53ones in North and South or during the variation of the schedules.
00:21:59We may have just, you know, a little bit longer time frame, but all in an effort to make
00:22:04sure that we recover within the next few days after the shutdown.
00:22:08Persons will experience some low pressures and as pressures increase, of course, you know, to
00:22:14the extremities, everyone will be able to pick up their supply.
00:22:19One of the strategies that we'll also be employing is to ensure that all of our storage
00:22:24reservoirs are filled to capacity so that our recovery time frame will be shorter and that
00:22:30will benefit everyone.
00:22:31Yeah, Miss Romano, is the message at this time also because as customers brace for this
00:22:41shutdown of the plant, is the message also for them to conserve water in the meantime?
00:22:49Definitely, Marlon, we are asking that the public really partners with us during this time
00:22:54and conserve water as much as possible.
00:22:56We understand it is an inconvenience, but in advance, we would like to thank the public
00:23:01for working with us such that these works will actually ultimately help us to improve
00:23:07our service to our various customers and we thank them in advance.
00:23:11You know, Miss Ali, sometimes when you do have problems like these, and I must say that
00:23:17sometimes people try to take advantage of the situation and I'm specifically speaking
00:23:23about water trucking.
00:23:26Is the advice at this time that people should not be paying for water provided by water
00:23:35trucks?
00:23:38So our water trucking service has been free, this service is free for members of the
00:23:45public so that no one requesting water trucking services from us directly will be
00:23:52required to pay for that service.
00:23:55These are the domestic customers so that, you know, persons should be advised that that
00:24:02service is indeed free.
00:24:05Miss Romano, I believe that the last time that you were here, we did speak about an
00:24:12increase in lines, in phone lines at the Water and Sewage Authority for people to call to
00:24:19make complaints and so on.
00:24:21So is it that in light of this situation, the staff, if I can put it that way, it has
00:24:30been beefed up to take some of the complaints that people may have or queries?
00:24:38Certainly, Marlon, so I'm happy actually to announce that coming out of the dry season,
00:24:43we actually increased the number of agents we have at our contact center and that greatly
00:24:49reduced waiting time that the members of the public actually experience.
00:24:53So right now, actually, for the most part, our wait time for various customers calling in
00:24:57is actually down to zero.
00:24:59So we have maintained that number of agents because we were preparing, as Shira would
00:25:06have said, for the shutdown so that we don't anticipate that members of the public will
00:25:10have any difficulty calling into us and requesting the truck-borne service.
00:25:16So we are well prepared.
00:25:18Miss Ali, I'm also seeing, and you would have touched on it, but I just want to make it
00:25:22clear to our viewers.
00:25:24So you are promising that water would be restored over a 24 to 48 hour period?
00:25:35Yes, and that's correct.
00:25:37In terms of the coverage, as I've mentioned, once the plan is restarted, there are
00:25:43communities that are closer to the source that would see immediate recovery.
00:25:48And of course, pressures will start being low.
00:25:53But as the network continues to recover, that pressure will definitely increase so that
00:26:00we will see immediate recovery in some of the closer communities to the plant.
00:26:04On the north side, of course, notwithstanding, we do have our reservoirs.
00:26:09And as I've mentioned, these reservoirs will be filled to capacity.
00:26:13Prior to the shutdown, one other point that I would want to make also is that during the
00:26:19course of this week, leading up to the shutdown, we will be ensuring that all of our
00:26:25schedules are met in each of those communities, both north and south, so that persons
00:26:30will have the ability to fill up on their internal storage and thus be able to have
00:26:36supply during the extent of the disruption until we get the schedule resumed again.
00:26:42Ms. Romano, is there anything you'd like to add that we did not touch on?
00:26:48Thank you very much, Marlon.
00:26:49I just would like to add that with respect to our critical facilities, for example, our
00:26:53hospitals and our various public institutions, we are also liaising with them to ensure
00:26:58their tanks and their reservoirs are also filled during these few days before the
00:27:03shutdown. So Friday at noon to Sunday at noon, we will be experiencing some
00:27:09interruptions based on the current water treatment facility having to be shut down.
00:27:14And in advance, we thank the public for their patience and working with us so that
00:27:18ultimately this plan, the shutdown will be able to they'll be able to receive the
00:27:22benefits from this.
00:27:24Yeah, thank you very much.
00:27:25Of course, Miss Ali, I want you to because Miss Romano would I would oppose the
00:27:30question about conservation, but I want you to also speak, Miss Ali, because, you know,
00:27:36we have Pasha in Trinidad and Tobago to waste water.
00:27:42So I want you to speak about that while this plant is shut down, wastage.
00:27:49Yes, definitely.
00:27:50And we would want to encourage all persons, whether it be from the system or any other
00:27:59source, to conserve and to use water efficiently.
00:28:03We have been recovering somewhat slowly at the main impounded reservoirs.
00:28:09And, you know, as the season progresses, the rainy season, we expect to have more
00:28:14stored water available for the dry season.
00:28:18But notwithstanding, conservation is extremely critical.
00:28:22And during the period of the shutdown, we would encourage everyone to conserve their
00:28:26supply. Do not, you know, in terms of using the supply for watering gardens or
00:28:33washing down in terms of vehicles or even driveways, but to conserve essentially so
00:28:40that you would have the supply available until we could restore the operations.
00:28:45But overall, for me, conservation is extremely critical during this period.
00:28:50And even when we're not in the shutdown mode under general circumstances, climate
00:28:55change has really impacted us.
00:28:57It continues to impact us.
00:28:59And I would really want everyone to be mindful of how we utilize this precious
00:29:04resource. But has the situation improved at the nation's reservoirs?
00:29:10Because I know, again, last time that we spoke, it was specifically to speak about the
00:29:16the capacity at these reservoirs.
00:29:18So has the situation improved?
00:29:21It has somewhat slightly.
00:29:23And again, you know, I want to thank the Met Office and the Water Resources Agency for
00:29:27working with us very, very closely.
00:29:30And we have been able to see some small impact.
00:29:34And I could share with you some data briefly.
00:29:37At Hulless, for example, we're currently at 35 percent versus our long term average of
00:29:4261 percent.
00:29:44Nava currently at 38 percent versus long term average 62 percent.
00:29:49Kareny, 30 percent versus a long term average of 65.
00:29:53However, what is interesting is that at Tobago Hillsboro, we have recovered somewhat
00:29:59much better currently at 76 percent versus a long term average of 85 percent.
00:30:05So from since we last spoke, our reservoirs were in the lower 20 percent range.
00:30:12We have since recovered somewhat.
00:30:15Notwithstanding, for me, it is still important, as I've mentioned, that we manage this
00:30:20resource and we have been doing so.
00:30:22So our systems are still in effect in terms of prudent management of all those impounded
00:30:29reservoirs. And hence, you would have seen that Navit, we have not fully in terms of
00:30:35ramp up to our normal maximum production.
00:30:38During the course of the shutdown, we will be doing so temporarily, but we will continue
00:30:43to manage the production from these main impounded reservoirs as we continue to build
00:30:50in preparation for the 2025 dry season.
00:30:53Yeah. Ms. Romano, anything else you'd like to add?
00:30:57At this point in time, I'd really just like to add to what Shira said with respect to
00:31:02encouraging members of the public to really consume, particularly during these two days
00:31:08and just know that WASA has planned the shutdown.
00:31:12And that is why we're coming on air right now and letting you all know so that we can
00:31:16partner with you all, the members of the public, so that they will ensure that their
00:31:20storage is filled and that they do conserve during this time.
00:31:24And again, these are planned shutdowns to really increase our operational efficiency.
00:31:28WASA being more proactive such that we can become more reliant and sustain our supply
00:31:34to the members of the public.
00:31:35Yeah. Ms. Ali, I give you the final word.
00:31:39Yes, definitely. Of course, I want to thank everyone.
00:31:43And on behalf of our line minister, our board of commissioners, other members of the
00:31:49public utility, Ministry of Public Utilities and all of our employees, we wish to, you
00:31:55know, really inform everyone and reassure everyone that all of the strategies are in
00:32:01place. We have had numerous planning sessions for the shutdown to ensure that we
00:32:08complete all works within the stipulated time frame.
00:32:11We will be alerting members of the public as we progress through the various methods
00:32:16so that persons requiring information or looking to see in terms of how the works are
00:32:22progressing or specifically when the supply would be restored will be able to get that
00:32:27information firsthand.
00:32:29So thank everyone again.
00:32:30These works are extremely critical for us in our ongoing transformation efforts.
00:32:35And it means, you know, completely digitizing our distribution transmission made from our
00:32:40main sources, which ultimately will impact significantly on our reliability to
00:32:46customers. So thank you, everyone.
00:32:48All right. Ladies, it's always a pleasure speaking with you.
00:32:51And thank you very much for speaking with us this morning.
00:32:53We do appreciate it. Bye for now.
00:32:56Thank you very much. Goodbye.
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00:38:35Alright, so welcome back everyone.
00:38:44Just to remind you about the ladies, what they said from WASA a short while ago, eh?
00:38:50Is that approximately 500,000 customers are to be affected by this shutdown of the Kearney
00:39:02Water Treatment Plant.
00:39:04Alright?
00:39:05Now, the interruption in water supply, it's going to be from 12 noon on Friday, August
00:39:139th to 12 noon on Sunday, 11th, August 2024.
00:39:19Alright, so make a note of it.
00:39:22Again, the message from the ladies, conserve, do not waste water so that you will have your
00:39:31own supply when the interruption occurs.
00:39:36Alright, so hold off on washing the car and wetting the lawn.
00:39:40I don't think that the lawn is going to die in two days, right?
00:39:43So hold off on things like that.
00:39:45Alright?
00:39:46Okay, so we're moving on.
00:39:47So, we do have Acting Inspector Ansel Ford.
00:39:50He's here with us this morning.
00:39:52Mr. Ford, thank you very much for coming.
00:39:54Hi.
00:39:55Pleasure.
00:39:56Morning, Marlon.
00:39:57Pleasure.
00:39:58Morning.
00:39:59Mr. Ford, before we move on into your business, eh?
00:40:00Sure.
00:40:01I told our viewers this morning it was not a very good night, you know?
00:40:05No, it was not.
00:40:09It was not.
00:40:10It was not.
00:40:11And I expressed the view this morning, Mr. Ford, that I don't understand this thirst
00:40:20by our young people for blood and violence and this popular belief among some of our
00:40:35young people, this belief of killing because that's what they believe in, you know?
00:40:42And sometimes it's difficult to understand because when I looked, when I got up this
00:40:49morning and looked on social media or looked in certain chats that I'm a part of and I'm
00:40:56seeing all of this killing and we're hearing what the police are saying, you know, that
00:41:01they are intensifying their efforts in order to deal with this situation.
00:41:08But sometimes it's very difficult to remain positive, right?
00:41:13It is difficult, Marlon, and I understand clearly what you are saying now.
00:41:17Let me say I am intimately involved, right, by way of the unit that I'm in charge of.
00:41:25So I know for a fact that last night we had an incident and two persons would have lost
00:41:33their lives.
00:41:34Young people are not, right?
00:41:35So your point being out of young persons and this thirst for blood, Marlon, it is, let
00:41:42us say, a sort of culture.
00:41:45I want to speak more sort of a gang culture, right?
00:41:49And this is the spilloff effect that we are experiencing.
00:41:53And yes, we would have intensified our efforts, but one has to understand that the ability
00:42:01to commit such a crime, the opportunity is there.
00:42:07It is there, right, notwithstanding the efforts, because it is very easy for you to, let us
00:42:15say, get to a point and carry out the act, right?
00:42:19And then we will respond.
00:42:20But we have to still, Marlon, continue to assist the police.
00:42:27We the police, we continue to do what we have to do.
00:42:33This call for persons to still assist us in terms of information, this is the way in which
00:42:38we can get, I want to say, a good handle on it, to be able to be proactive by having the
00:42:45information about the particular person or persons so that we can take the necessary
00:42:49action.
00:42:50Outside of that, we would be responding.
00:42:52Our intelligence, it works as well, right, intelligence gathering, but yet still we rely
00:42:57heavily on that support from members of the public.
00:43:02All right, Mr. Foon, let's get on with your business.
00:43:04No, definitely, Marlon.
00:43:06Well, Marlon, we, the Minister, we, the Commissioner and the Executive would have identified
00:43:14that there is this increasing trend in terms of crimes being committed against persons
00:43:23who would have started a relationship of whatever sort on social media, right?
00:43:31What sort of relationship?
00:43:33Romantic relationship?
00:43:34Not necessarily.
00:43:35Business relationship.
00:43:36Oh, okay.
00:43:37Sometimes it's personal relationships, right?
00:43:39But some of the things that they feel, to acknowledge, is that there are risks, inherent
00:43:48risks in just meeting someone online and then before too long you decide to meet that person
00:43:56and you meet that person in probably a secluded place or some place where it offers you no
00:44:02sort of security, right?
00:44:05And the trend that has been happening, Marlon, speaks to persons and we're speaking about
00:44:11male and females, right?
00:44:15After meeting on social media, they are invited to meet at a particular place, right?
00:44:23And what happens there, Marlon?
00:44:26Often times they are being put in place for a crime to be committed against them and we're
00:44:33speaking about robbery, sexual assault, assault and even murder, Marlon, right?
00:44:42And how do we counteract what is happening?
00:44:47It's for us to advise members of the public to refrain from, let us say, that willingness
00:45:00to meet someone who you don't really know.
00:45:04And the danger with the social media and that sort of socializing is that you cannot, just
00:45:13by looking at a profile, be sure that the person who is there in the still picture,
00:45:20that that person is indeed the person you are communicating with, right?
00:45:24And you cannot even be certain of the information that the person is populating their profile
00:45:30with, right?
00:45:31Because a lot of these things, they are not accurate.
00:45:34And if you simply take that as bona fide and you decide to go and meet that person and
00:45:42something happens, you are unable really to assist the police by way of identifying
00:45:49that particular person, right?
00:45:52Because the information you have is not real.
00:45:56So that is one thing that we need to be mindful of, that there are fake profiles created by
00:46:01persons with a particular purpose and that particular purpose is to deceive you, to be
00:46:08able to lure you to a place where they can take advantage of you, Marlon, be it that
00:46:15they rob you, they assault you, or if they kill you, right?
00:46:21Additionally, Marlon, you have to take the necessary steps to try to verify the identity
00:46:28of this person.
00:46:31Similarly, have video calls with this person.
00:46:36Build that relationship where you know who you are speaking to, right?
00:46:43Also, persons tend to have profiles on different social media platforms.
00:46:50You do a little background check to see whether it is that the information that you are privy
00:46:56to, that it is consistent, right, on the other platforms that the person may be on.
00:47:02These are just simple measures that you can adopt to reduce your chances or the risk of
00:47:09you being taken advantage of.
00:47:11Mr. Ford, you have to show me your ID card, you know, if you want to engage in that discussion
00:47:15with me on social media, you have to show me your ID card and maybe say it in a joke.
00:47:20Well, let me see your ID card now, boy, or let me see your ID card now, girl.
00:47:23Well, Marlon, you say it in a joke.
00:47:25But that is probably a good practice.
00:47:28I think so.
00:47:29To say, hey, well, send me your ID.
00:47:31Yeah, I want to see it.
00:47:32Right?
00:47:33So, you have some way to actually verify, right?
00:47:35Yeah.
00:47:36Yeah.
00:47:37Marlon, additionally, if you decide that you're going to meet this person, you have to agree
00:47:45to meet at a place that is safe.
00:47:48When I say it is a public place, it is a place that is not really public, but it is busy
00:47:54with people, right?
00:47:56High activity.
00:47:57Activity, right?
00:47:58And if it is that you decide to go, your relative, some friend of yours, let that person who
00:48:07you trust, let them know they are going to meet a friend, so and so, right?
00:48:11That person has some idea or somebody at least have an idea as to where you might be going,
00:48:16right?
00:48:17Additionally, do not, let us say, limit your ability to leave.
00:48:23So, you go to a point.
00:48:25Do not limit your ability to leave when you're ready to leave because you didn't go with
00:48:30your own transport.
00:48:31Right.
00:48:32The person pick you up, right?
00:48:33So, you are now dependent on that person, right, to drop you back.
00:48:37No.
00:48:38Don't put yourself in that sort of situation.
00:48:40Provide your own transportation arrangements.
00:48:44And whilst you are so, I want to say, socializing, be mindful of the fact that you have to be
00:48:51in a mental state that you can take care of yourself.
00:48:57In saying that, manage alcohol consumption.
00:49:00Yeah.
00:49:01Avoid the use of narcotics and these other substances that can impair your ability to
00:49:09think, act, and to assess things properly, right?
00:49:13If you allow yourself to fall, let us say, free to these things, because sometimes all
00:49:21of that is part of the ploy, you know, Marlon?
00:49:24Yeah.
00:49:25By the other person, right?
00:49:26To give you alcohol, to expose you to drugs, to, unknowingly to you, to slip something
00:49:34into your drink.
00:49:37You have to be so conscious of these things, Marlon, right?
00:49:41Sometimes your gut or your sixth sense tells you something, that something is wrong here.
00:49:50You get this bad feeling about a particular thing.
00:49:53Don't dismiss it, right?
00:49:55And then something happens, and in hindsight, you say, you know, my mind tells me this.
00:50:00No.
00:50:02Those are natural instincts, right, that sometimes guide you, and we fail to acknowledge it.
00:50:09Additionally, Marlon, your information, personal information, information that we'll say is
00:50:17sensitive, yeah, let us say banking records, your financial records, your financial status,
00:50:23right?
00:50:24You don't need to tell people about these things.
00:50:27Business transactions, you don't need to tell people about these things, right?
00:50:31Because you could be revealing yourself too much, and that person comes up with a bright
00:50:38idea that they can take advantage of, right?
00:50:42So, Marlon, these are some tips that we would have put forward.
00:50:46And some red flags.
00:50:47Yeah, well, red flags that you need to be mindful of in terms of somebody you don't
00:50:52meet, and that person is really prying into your life, asking you all sorts of questions.
00:50:59Where's your credit card number?
00:51:01Right?
00:51:03That's true.
00:51:05Your pin.
00:51:06Yeah.
00:51:07Of what interest is this to you, right?
00:51:09Yeah.
00:51:10So, you know, you be mindful.
00:51:11And the social media platforms, we are aware that persons are using it, right?
00:51:18Using it to bait persons, right, into different arrangements, right, be it business or otherwise.
00:51:27And you, members of the public, need to be mindful of that, right?
00:51:31Marlon, out of these sort of arrangements, we have persons going missing, right?
00:51:41And missing persons, that is another topic all by itself, right?
00:51:46However, Marlon, what we want members of the public to be aware of, right, if it is that
00:51:54you suspect or you feel that the welfare of someone that you know, relative, friend, as
00:52:03the case may be, that that person's welfare is at risk because you have not heard from
00:52:10them, right, for a couple hours, which is not normal, right?
00:52:18Long ago, persons were of the view that I have to wait 24 hours, at least, before I
00:52:24make a report.
00:52:26I want to debunk that, right, that any time, right, within that 24 hours, that you feel
00:52:34that that person's welfare is threatened, you are entitled and we are encouraging you
00:52:42to make a report, right, so that our resources can kick into action sooner rather than later,
00:52:51right?
00:52:52Now, in so saying, Marlon, I could recall sometime probably about two years ago or so,
00:52:59it was published, I think in a newspaper or so, where someone would have reported someone
00:53:06missing.
00:53:07Yes.
00:53:08Right?
00:53:09And that person was missing, it would have been a sort of split between the relationship
00:53:14and that person was not making themselves accessible, not taking course in these things,
00:53:19right?
00:53:20Yes, I remember that.
00:53:21And this person, knowing that it's not really that the person is missing, but we have a
00:53:25split, and that person made a missing persons report.
00:53:28Yes.
00:53:29Right?
00:53:30And that is not what we want.
00:53:33We want genuine concerns of the welfare, where you believe that that person's life or their
00:53:39welfare is threatened, that you make a report, right?
00:53:42Other than that, you could be engaged in any wasteful employment of the police time.
00:53:46Right.
00:53:47By making a report that you know is false, right?
00:53:49So, in the same breath that we are encouraging, right, make the report, we want you to manage
00:53:57the facility properly.
00:53:58Yes.
00:53:59I just have about one minute again.
00:54:01Sure.
00:54:02So, Marlon, we have teenagers that, for different reasons, they tend to run away from home,
00:54:13leave home.
00:54:14Right?
00:54:15They may be deemed missing, not really missing, right?
00:54:19But to ensure that I deal with it fully, Marlon, I will leave that runaway teen for a specific
00:54:30segment where I can deal with that in its entirety.
00:54:32Yes.
00:54:33Right?
00:54:34For now, I want to reinforce to members of the public, be mindful of that risk that you
00:54:40expose yourself to when you meet persons on social media, and you don't take the time
00:54:46to verify, to be sure that that person is who he or she claimed to be, and that meeting
00:54:54would not put your life at risk.
00:54:57Until you do those things, we want to say, don't make that arrangement to go meet someone,
00:55:05right, that you don't know, in a place that you are not familiar with, because they can
00:55:10be putting you in place to harm you.
00:55:13Yeah.
00:55:14Mr. Ford, it's always good to speak with you.
00:55:15You know, we have had a culture in Trinidad and Tobago where, back in the day, when people
00:55:21asked you, so tell me about your hobbies, and I remember people saying, well, I like
00:55:26to meet people.
00:55:27To me, I always thought that was strange, but you see, we are loving people, you know,
00:55:33Mr. Ford.
00:55:34Marlon, we are.
00:55:35And I think people are taking advantage of that now.
00:55:38Yes.
00:55:39But thank you very much for your tips today, Mr. Ford.
00:55:40It's always good to speak with you.
00:55:41Most welcome.
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00:58:49Good morning.
00:58:50I am Ansel Gibbs with a news update.
00:58:53With schools set to reopen on September 2nd, there's now concern about filling nearly 80
00:58:59teaching vacancies.
00:59:01This comes as the education minister says a number of teacher interviews were compromised.
00:59:07What happened, which was unprecedented, is that while the ministry would have been conducting
00:59:13the interviews, over 600 interviews, they were planned and scheduled and they were being
00:59:18completed as scheduled.
00:59:20However, there was a leak of interview questions on social media and that led to a decision
00:59:25of the TSC to redo the process.
00:59:28It should be noted that the ministry was almost at the end of the process of interviews.
00:59:33However, this compromise would have led the TSC to make that decision.
00:59:38In sport, Angus Eve is out and TNT's senior men's national football team now has a caretaker
00:59:47coach.
00:59:48The TTFA says Derek King will take charge of the team immediately and that he will oversee
00:59:54preparations for the upcoming CONCACAF Nations League matches in September against Honduras
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01:03:37All right, so welcome back, everyone.
01:03:39So we are speaking about now the 2024 Paris Olympics.
01:03:43And we are also going to be speaking about our team's performance at the Olympics.
01:03:49So we do have in studio this morning Brian Lewis, Secretary General of the Caribbean Association of National Olympic Committees, CANOC,
01:03:57and also immediate past president of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee.
01:04:02Brian, it's always a pleasure speaking with you.
01:04:04Yeah.
01:04:05Thank you for having me.
01:04:06Sometimes people, the conversation often is better than on air, you know, but I've expressed certain views and I'll try to do that this morning.
01:04:16But, you know, Brian, let's have a very interesting conversation about this 2024 Paris Olympics.
01:04:24As you look at what you have seen so far, analyze it for us.
01:04:32So actually, I only came back into the country last evening.
01:04:36Yes.
01:04:37So I was actually in Paris for a couple of days.
01:04:39I was there for the fantastic opening ceremony.
01:04:42That was typically France.
01:04:44French being French, it was a wonderful theater of symbolism.
01:04:49I know it impacted the conservatives differently.
01:04:53Yes.
01:04:54But there was so many references to Olympic history and Olympic Greek mythology and French history that if you don't pay attention, it's easy to get tied away by social media.
01:05:13In terms of the organization of the games, all games will have its challenges, and it's a mammoth undertaking, the Olympics.
01:05:22So there are some challenges, which, again, social media, whether it is in the actual village and stuff.
01:05:28But overall, I think that the French are doing an excellent job.
01:05:34As I said, the opening ceremony was historic, and I think it has set the stage in terms of its inclusivity for future.
01:05:44The issue with Iman Khalif, the Algerian boxer, who is identified as female.
01:05:57She's not transgender.
01:05:59So that has opened a particular conversation in terms of gender and how conservatives look at gender.
01:06:09In terms of the performance of the team, the Caribbean is doing fantastic.
01:06:13The Theater of August will live long in Caribbean history, in particular for the OECS countries, which is the Organization of Eastern Caribbean States.
01:06:23This includes Dominica, Grenada.
01:06:26I'm sure that we have had a very tough campaign so far.
01:06:33But this morning, Kishon Olcott, our gold medalist and bronze medalist, would have qualified for the final.
01:06:41And this is the 4th Olympics 2012-16-2024.
01:06:47Just in a couple of hours, Jerome Richards will be vying for a position in the 400-meter finals.
01:06:54He's going into the semifinals with the second-fastest time based on the preliminary round.
01:07:01Then you have the 4x1 women still waiting, the 4x4 men, and then Nicholas, Paul, and Kweisi Brown.
01:07:11We still have a couple of days to go, a couple of competitions.
01:07:16One of the beautiful things about the Olympic Games is that it's a heartbreak hotel, but it's also a cauldron of significant elation.
01:07:26But you can't lose your confidence.
01:07:30You can't allow self-doubt to reign.
01:07:33You have to go in confident that today is going to be your day, even though it may not turn out that way.
01:07:44I think we sit in different positions.
01:07:55I don't have to tell you, but as you know, when Hazley Crawford won the gold, there would have been a lull as it relates to our success at the Olympics.
01:08:08And then, of course, Atto came, and there was sort of, maybe I can call it a rejuvenation, and a great interest in the Olympics again.
01:08:23And, of course, we would have seen people like Richard Thompson follow after, and then you had the 4x4 teams, and the 4x1 team, and then you had Kishon Walcott.
01:08:36And I don't know about you, but we did see that.
01:08:41So there was this great interest.
01:08:43This time around, I did not see that interest among the people.
01:08:52And I think that, like it or not, maybe Michelle Lee Ayi said it quite succinctly and accurately, and she spoke about the support for the Olympic team.
01:09:08So I want to make that point, and I also want to make the point and my observation that, to me, there has been a decline in this thrust or success for medals at the Olympics, re our local team.
01:09:32Well, in terms of the perception of public interest or lack of interest, I think to be fair on the public of Trinidad and Tobago, the crime situation and the barrage of crime and negative news would have dampened their outlook on everything.
01:09:53Yes.
01:09:54And therefore I think that, in a very brutally honest way, for many people, with the crime situation that was happening, sports is not a priority for them.
01:10:09Yes.
01:10:10So I get that.
01:10:13I think that it is what it is.
01:10:17It's the reality of the times.
01:10:20In terms of a drop in performances, I think that's a fair comment.
01:10:28I think Otto Bolden brutally put it in an interview he had with one of the daily papers, that he was very critical of the sports administrators across the board, and he said that we will undergo a 20-year drought, medal drought.
01:10:48I have to take a different position, and that is I have to continue believing in the talent and potential of the youth and young people of Trinidad and Tobago.
01:11:02And we have to focus, in particular as Olympic Committee, as sports overall, in how do we provide them with the opportunity and the tools and the support they need to fulfill that potential.
01:11:17We have made mistakes.
01:11:21I think that, in many ways, the sport ecosystem in Trinidad and Tobago, in the main, has been left behind in terms of too much old-school thinking.
01:11:37And there is no shame or disgrace in that.
01:11:42The only way we can move forward.
01:11:44So when the critics, the people you come to as critics, Otto Bolden and others, criticize, I believe that we shouldn't get defensive.
01:11:57We should seek clarity and treat it, no matter how you may hurt from it, as constructive criticism and see what needs to be improved.
01:12:07The reality is that in the Olympic world, which is elite sports, it is a result business.
01:12:13And therefore, if you're not getting the results, fine.
01:12:17You know, when I articulated, when I was then president, Ten Group by 2024 was laughed out of town.
01:12:24Even though I'm still laughed at because people glorify and look, right?
01:12:28Of course it was a spectacular, it may be deemed a spectacular failure, but is attempting to win a World Cup and not winning it a spectacular failure?
01:12:39No.
01:12:40What is more important is what have we learned?
01:12:44What can we do better?
01:12:45And that, to me, is always the focus.
01:12:48There are no, everybody has an answer.
01:12:51But as we see, if you take Julian Alfred and Stella Sackler-Lafon from Dominica, different models, for example, Julian Alfred, she used to run bare feet in her school uniform.
01:13:10Her father died at the age of 12.
01:13:12She was so devastated.
01:13:14She stopped running.
01:13:16It took a coach to re-instill in her that motivation and inspiration, someone who saw her talent.
01:13:24But hear what, at 14, she and her family made the decision to send her to Jamaica, where the perception is, that's where the best system is.
01:13:36She went to St. Catherine's High School.
01:13:38She got a scholarship, went to UTEC.
01:13:41But she was so motivated by Usain Bolt as a girl, if I may say that, that she had a dream to be St. Lucia's first ever Olympic gold medalist.
01:13:52Interestingly, the morning, she said in an interview of the final, she got up at 5 a.m., she couldn't sleep, and she was looking for some motivation.
01:14:03She said she wrote on a paper, Julian Alfred, Olympic 100-meter champion, a visualization, her dream.
01:14:12You must have a dream to start.
01:14:15And I think that what needs to happen is we have 19 Olympic medals, three gold.
01:14:23And if people want more gold, we have to start with a position to say, that's what we want.
01:14:32Of course.
01:14:33You know, set that goal, not as an end, but as a start point.
01:14:37But who is to be held accountable?
01:14:40Is it the administrator that has to be held accountable?
01:14:44Is it the athlete that has to be held accountable?
01:14:48Because to me, and as I stated earlier, to me, I have seen a decline.
01:14:58And to me, as an administrator, if my job is to administrate and put structure in place, because as you're saying, it's results-oriented.
01:15:14And if we're not getting the results, surely something else has to be done.
01:15:18And maybe we need to move pieces from over here and put it here and realign.
01:15:24I call the baby with the baby water.
01:15:26Start anew.
01:15:27But Marlon, it is important from the administrator's perspective to be able to separate the noise from what is before you.
01:15:42Of course.
01:15:43It is and remains a fact that we in Trinidad and Tobago, in the sports that are considered Olympic sports in particular, do very well at the junior level.
01:15:56Right?
01:15:57Whether it's swimming, track and field, carrifter, CC can.
01:16:02And even that may have dropped a bit, but what we need to focus on is why we aren't making the transition into seniors.
01:16:16It is very difficult, but still why?
01:16:18I think that's where we, I believe, if I have to be honest, we have a little challenge.
01:16:26Because, for example, I remember the TTOC, going back to Larry Oman, it is.
01:16:30We have brought in long-term athlete development experts at seminars, workshops.
01:16:36We brought in Michael Johnson, high performance.
01:16:41And if I may say so, there was a reluctance on the part of our coaches to embrace some of the modern cutting-edge technology-based ideas and strategies.
01:16:58They need to examine that.
01:17:01Some of them may feel a bit displeased because I've said that, but they need to go out of their comfort zone.
01:17:09There are some very talented young coaches who are very technology and sports science based.
01:17:16Antonio, you have Keston Blenman coming along, because sports now is very technologically driven.
01:17:25But if you are bringing in someone like a Michael Johnson, a gentleman.
01:17:31Who has achieved.
01:17:33Who has achieved performance.
01:17:36To be honest, instead of focusing on what he brought to the table, some of them focus on the gossip and old talk about whether he was doping or not.
01:17:47That's the kind of narrow-mindedness we tend to have.
01:17:52Because a lot of us don't want to come out of our comfort zone.
01:17:59But it speaks to the fact that Kishon Walcott, for example, continues to perform consistently.
01:18:06He's locally based, but he has a Cuban coach who is brilliant.
01:18:10Ishmael Mastraffa.
01:18:12J.U. Gordon did it.
01:18:14Staying here.
01:18:16His coach was Dr. Ian Hippolyte.
01:18:18But they also embraced the Michael Johnson high performance.
01:18:23But most of all, there is Annie Roberts, who, regardless of whether you like him or not, is still one of the best coaches in terms of that understanding of sports science.
01:18:35Not just in swimming, but overall.
01:18:37We now have some good people coming back.
01:18:43He's in biomechanics.
01:18:45Dr. Sheenish Thomas.
01:18:47We have people now who can be used and brought into the system.
01:18:52But it is up to the coaches to decide, even if I am good at high school level, my athlete now has to go to university level, not necessarily a scholarship.
01:19:07I may need to pass them on.
01:19:10But you know, I was listening, I was reading a story about a swimmer.
01:19:15What's his name? Carter?
01:19:17Dylan?
01:19:18Was it Dylan Carter?
01:19:19Dylan Carter, the swimmer, yeah.
01:19:21And he was speaking about how he performs well outside of the Olympics.
01:19:29But when he gets to the Olympics, he is not able to cope with that sort of pressure.
01:19:36So it is not only to perform physically, but to perform mentally too.
01:19:42Correct. Mentally and emotionally.
01:19:43But at least he is admitting it.
01:19:44Yes.
01:19:45And a number of other athletes outside of China and Tobago have admitted it.
01:19:49Even Simone Biles.
01:19:51Of course.
01:19:52Right? So that, this is my point.
01:19:54Long time, for anyone who grew up in the sports here, coaches, I'm not saying they do that now, but how it has evolved.
01:20:03Long time, coach, not going for water is punishment, you know.
01:20:10No, you have to do extra lab, you have to do more push-up.
01:20:13Now they're talking about sleep recovery, nutrition, sports psychology.
01:20:19So a lot goes into it.
01:20:21The bottom line is that we continue to have, we do well in terms of character and CCCAN.
01:20:31Next year is the Kharifta Games.
01:20:32I think it's going to be an important platform for the future.
01:20:372028, 2032 Olympics, 2036.
01:20:41Last year we had the Commonwealth Youth Games.
01:20:44We see the Frederick sisters, for example, making that transition from Kharifta into the Olympics.
01:20:50The other thing is that if we had to look at the current China and Tobago team,
01:20:55Leah Bertrand, young, first game.
01:20:58Devin Augustine, the Frederick sisters.
01:21:04You have Jadon Marchand, 17, 18.
01:21:09I think the future is very bright.
01:21:12There's always been a very quiet thing that happens at games over the time.
01:21:16It happened with Atto, it happened with George Bovel, it happened with Dylan.
01:21:20Sometimes before they make it, they go to the Olympics.
01:21:25They qualify and they go to the Olympics.
01:21:28Because of that experience.
01:21:30Because I heard an athlete from another country, while I was in Paris, comment and said
01:21:38when he walked out in the stadium in the morning session and he saw 80,000 people,
01:21:47it was like he was awestruck.
01:21:50Why?
01:21:51Usually, if you take track and field, the morning session seems to be scanty.
01:21:56But you walk into this podium of noise and this is an athlete from a developed country.
01:22:02And he said he had to refocus.
01:22:04So yes, to your point, many components go into it.
01:22:08But you see, for a fan like me and other people out there,
01:22:15my view is that there has to be an overhaul of the entire system.
01:22:20Because again, to me, we are just going around in circles.
01:22:25And while we are seeing other countries and more so,
01:22:30our very close brothers and sisters in the Caribbean, they are doing well.
01:22:34And they're performing.
01:22:36But to me, our performance is not where it needs to be.
01:22:41And there has to be this overhaul.
01:22:43So let's look at the U.S.
01:22:46Hold on. You heard what we shared?
01:22:49Yes.
01:22:50About Julian Alfred.
01:22:51Yes.
01:22:52Okay.
01:22:53She moved away from St. Lucia.
01:22:56Mm-hmm.
01:22:57Right?
01:22:58Stella, the LaLonde girl, is based in the States.
01:23:02Otto Bolden was based in the States.
01:23:05Hesley Crawford was on scholarship.
01:23:08Yeah.
01:23:09So it is only Jamaica that has created a pathway that is not the NCA Thompson.
01:23:21But you see, I talk about the overhaul of the system
01:23:24because it's also what is happening with our Olympic team, with our athletes.
01:23:28But if you want to overhaul it, it works.
01:23:30It has produced results at Carifta.
01:23:33Of course.
01:23:34But we have to move on to the other level.
01:23:36Well, maybe what is the other level?
01:23:38Is it the NCAA system?
01:23:41Is it a system here like in Jamaica where you have an MVP or a racer?
01:23:48I am agreeing with you.
01:23:51Yes.
01:23:52But I am saying that you can't throw out the baby with the bat.
01:23:56We have to look at what is working.
01:23:58Yes.
01:23:59Because obviously, the Canadian guy who got a silver medal,
01:24:05I just can't remember his name, the black Canadian,
01:24:07if you check it, who created history.
01:24:10Yeah?
01:24:11Mm-hmm.
01:24:12He left here at 11.
01:24:14His early part of his swimming was right here in Trinidad and Tobago
01:24:19before he went to Canada.
01:24:21Now, his parents have been told Trinidadian.
01:24:24He was born in Canada, but he came here.
01:24:26That was the reason.
01:24:27And he left here at 11.
01:24:29So the early part of his swimming foundation
01:24:33was right here in Trinidad and Tobago.
01:24:35I am not suggesting to throw out what is working.
01:24:39I am suggesting, but there has to be an overhaul as to what is not working.
01:24:45And let's be honest, there's a lot of politics involved in this,
01:24:50and I don't necessarily mean by the politicians,
01:24:53but just because I don't like Brian Lewis and I don't like this one.
01:24:57That is correct.
01:24:58And it is driven a lot, Marlon, by the reality of the club system.
01:25:03So you have different people from different clubs here.
01:25:05I know, Madam Producer, but we're having a discussion here.
01:25:08Yeah, yeah.
01:25:09Mr. Lewis is getting hot a bit.
01:25:12No, I am not.
01:25:13We are having a very good conversation.
01:25:15I like that.
01:25:16But have you heard about the story about Hazley Crawford
01:25:20years ago before he won the gold?
01:25:22Leonard Hitchcock again.
01:25:23And eating cricks and cheese?
01:25:25Yes.
01:25:26You heard about that?
01:25:27You heard about Atto Bolden speak about his uniform,
01:25:31that it was too big and that his mother had to make it to his size.
01:25:36But you understand what I'm saying?
01:25:39So while the athlete is supposed to be really focusing on his craft,
01:25:45he has to study other things.
01:25:48And I'm just saying, are the mechanisms in place,
01:25:52not perfect mechanisms,
01:25:54but good mechanisms in place to have the athlete focused?
01:26:01I would say not entirely.
01:26:05There are things that I would like to see us further develop
01:26:11in terms of identifying the potential athletes.
01:26:15So, for example, from now, 2028,
01:26:19and put in place support mechanisms that are strategic for them
01:26:25with key performance indicators and monitoring evaluation.
01:26:30Don't wait until the year before.
01:26:32And that's something we try to establish at the TTOC
01:26:35with the Athlete Welfare and Preparation Fund.
01:26:37Now they're going for gold foundation.
01:26:41But the system, like all systems, needs to be analyzed first.
01:26:47Yes.
01:26:49Reviewed.
01:26:50And people can't become maligned, criticized, or auto-criticized.
01:26:55I always have a problem with people, with leaders,
01:26:59who take a default position of vexed because Marlon says something,
01:27:05Walter Bolton says something.
01:27:07You see, again, my position is, if you're not performing,
01:27:11then you, and not necessarily you, but as an administrator,
01:27:16you need to reflect, too.
01:27:19What I mean by that, quickly, producer,
01:27:24is that some people may see qualifying for the Olympics as a litmus test.
01:27:31Okay.
01:27:32All right?
01:27:33Yes.
01:27:34There are other countries where if you can't make it to the top eight,
01:27:41they're not carrying you.
01:27:43Okay.
01:27:44Right?
01:27:45There are other countries, if you can't make it to the podium,
01:27:49they're not carrying you.
01:27:50Sweden, Great Britain, and these countries.
01:27:54So we have to, as part of that analysis, look at that.
01:28:00Because I remember an athlete telling me once,
01:28:02in the height of 10 gold by 2024,
01:28:06telling me that he believed in it because he had this quiet dream
01:28:10to be an Olympic gold medalist.
01:28:12But he told me that coaches don't believe in that.
01:28:14They tell him he's wasting time.
01:28:15He can never win a gold medal.
01:28:19So those are the kind of systems we have.
01:28:22Do we have a system to keep on churning out athletes?
01:28:26Yes, because they have a net for Carifta.
01:28:29They're able to pick a Carifta and a CC Can team.
01:28:31So, folks, don't feel I'm making excuses or defending.
01:28:35I'm saying let us look at the whole system from a perspective.
01:28:41Next year we have Carifta games.
01:28:44Right here in Trinidad and Tobago, let's see.
01:28:47Because there are young people coming up with talent, Marlon.
01:28:50There are young athletes, not just in track and field,
01:28:53but cycling, swimming, Zuri Ferguson.
01:28:58There are young, talented people right here in Trinidad and Tobago.
01:29:04And we need to identify what they need to go to the next level.
01:29:08Who can stay here and do it?
01:29:10Who needs to do like Julian Alfred and go in another environment?
01:29:15We just need to take that.
01:29:17We have to.
01:29:18Our coaches, some of them must be willing to release their athletes
01:29:25to the next phase of their development.
01:29:27But we need to see it as an investment too.
01:29:30Beg your pardon?
01:29:31We need to see this as an investment too.
01:29:34Well, that's a whole different conversation
01:29:36because Trinidad don't like to necessarily invest money in sport
01:29:40because they say it's people's hobby and recreation.
01:29:45I don't know about all that.
01:29:46I really don't know what we're doing.
01:29:48But as I say, we sit in two different seats.
01:29:52What's the litmus test for Trinidad and Tobago athletes?
01:29:56You're saying that when it comes to certain countries,
01:29:59if you can't get to the podium, that we're not carrying you.
01:30:02What is the litmus test?
01:30:03Someone to get an education out of it, and that's fair.
01:30:08They could get a scholarship, and that's important to them.
01:30:12There are others who want to be a professional.
01:30:16Those are the ones who we have not been paying particular attention to.
01:30:24Now, what you're saying there,
01:30:26we have not been paying particular attention to,
01:30:29that's troubling to me.
01:30:31It is a fact.
01:30:32It's not about the government.
01:30:34The government has the elite athlete fund and grant funding.
01:30:40But I'm saying before it gets to the government's point to access that,
01:30:46it has to be at the level coming along the long-term athlete development pathway.
01:30:53Sports administrators and our coaches need to ask themselves,
01:30:59are they more interested in scholarships?
01:31:05Are they interested in producing Olympic champions?
01:31:10And that's an important, important, to me, that's an important and honest question.
01:31:17If it is that you're interested in sport development and sport for development, fine.
01:31:23Making sure your athletes get scholarships, that's good.
01:31:27But we have to understand, the ones who we're looking at and envying
01:31:32are making decisions on how many people will send away their 14-year-old.
01:31:36Yes.
01:31:37Because the 14-year-old has a dream of being an Olympic champion like Usain Bolt.
01:31:44How many in Trinidad and Tobago would tell that girl,
01:31:48girl, you're wasting time, you study, you balance it,
01:31:51you be a nurse, you be a lawyer,
01:31:53will send away their 14-year-old?
01:31:57We had a very talented young lady in Trinidad.
01:31:59She's still around.
01:32:00Shanika Bascombe.
01:32:01People need to ask themselves questions about Shanika Bascombe.
01:32:06And I can name many more athletes.
01:32:08Yeah.
01:32:09Brian Lewis, thank you very much for this conversation this morning.
01:32:12I think that what you have told us here this morning,
01:32:16it raises a number of questions.
01:32:21Like he doesn't know how to take that.
01:32:22No, no, no, no.
01:32:23I know how to take it.
01:32:25I think that you all could pull together an open forum.
01:32:28Yeah.
01:32:29You know?
01:32:30Have a discussion.
01:32:31Have a couple of people in and hear the different ideas.
01:32:36Make the quest for Olympic goal a strategic, intentional, deliberate, sustainable one.
01:32:47I like that.
01:32:48We'll end on that point, Brian Lewis.
01:32:51Again, it was a pleasure.
01:32:52Thank you very much for the highly spirited discussion this morning on the Olympics.
01:32:57And let's look forward to greater things from our athletes.
01:33:01Right?
01:33:02Yeah, man.
01:33:03I think it's not over until it's over.
01:33:06We'll come back, everybody.
01:33:23Yeah.
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01:35:40Please.
01:35:41No.
01:36:06I see footprints that men have left on the sand.
01:36:12I walk into tents.
01:36:15I see footsteps of our ambitions, figments of our imagination.
01:36:21And I ask myself.
01:36:24All right, everybody.
01:36:25So welcome back.
01:36:26Today, be prepared to witness a performance of what is said to be of a lifetime, as Wasafole Performing Dance Company will be having its annual event at UWE.
01:36:35So here to tell us more about the event, we do have Xavier Phillips, co-manager of Wasafole Performing Company.
01:36:43Mr. Phillips, thank you very much for coming this morning.
01:36:45Pleasant morning.
01:36:46Thanks for having me.
01:36:47Well, let's talk about the event that you're having this Saturday.
01:36:50So this Saturday, we have in this event, we name the event Benkari.
01:36:55Benkari means bringing people together.
01:36:57It's a Malinke word from Guinea.
01:37:04Why we choose Benkari?
01:37:07Because throughout the years, Wasafole was formed in 2009 by a workshop through the African Drummers Association,
01:37:17where we invited a master drummer and a master dancer from Guinea to come to do workshop with us.
01:37:26So what happened is that from that time till now, we had a barrage of masters coming to Trinidad to do things with us from all over.
01:37:41Well, not all, but some of the African countries.
01:37:45So we had people from Ivory Coast coming, we had people from Nigeria, we had people from Senegal, and of course, Guinea.
01:37:53So we're using this opportunity to showcase all that they have brought to us and teach us.
01:38:00So what we're using is the different style of dances from the different countries to present this show that brought Wasafole together,
01:38:13that brought these people from all over the world to come to work with us.
01:38:17Most of them come on their own because they hear about Wasafole, and they came.
01:38:22And we say, well, all right, we're doing something good that's bringing people to us.
01:38:26So we will bring a presentation to Trinidad and Tobago to see what we just do.
01:38:31Yeah. So is it going to be a mixture of dance and music, right?
01:38:36A mixture of dance, music, drumming, a lot of singing.
01:38:42We have as guest artists, we have Noel Archer, and just come on board, suddenly, the Sterry Lions.
01:38:52Okay.
01:38:53Is it the first time that you're having such an event?
01:38:55No. We had productions before. We had a production called Sumba. We had a production called Baru.
01:39:03We do concerts and things already, but this one is a difference.
01:39:08Yeah.
01:39:09So this is a concert. It's not a production to see drama and all that nice stuff.
01:39:15It's showcasing all what we just do.
01:39:17Yeah.
01:39:18Presenting it.
01:39:19It sounds like an experience.
01:39:21An experience.
01:39:22Not only an event that brings a lot of people together, but I'm sure it is also an opportunity for people to learn from one another.
01:39:35Correct.
01:39:37What is dynamic about the show is the content of the show, meaning each dance in this general dance of dancing tells a story.
01:39:53It says something about it. It's not just, all right, you're going to jump up on the stage and do a set of steps. It tells a story.
01:40:00Right.
01:40:01We plot everything in a way where you can identify what the dance represents.
01:40:07Right.
01:40:08Right?
01:40:09So there is an intertwining, as it were, of these dances in order to tell a story.
01:40:18A story, yeah.
01:40:19Yeah. Where can people get tickets? We do have the information up for people.
01:40:24Yeah. Well, you can get tickets from every member of the group.
01:40:28You can call 743-1927. That's me. 743-8668. That is Nisha Harding, our dance director as well.
01:40:37And as I mentioned, Nisha Harding.
01:40:40It is so dynamic that we never just sat down and wait on a foreign person to come and teach us dance.
01:40:52We learn things on our own as well.
01:40:54And we have some people in the group who was able to choreograph West African dancing for us.
01:41:01Nisha Harding is one, her sister Mandy, Christian Strong, and I myself dealing with the drumming.
01:41:09Yeah.
01:41:10So, you know, it is really diverse and dynamic piece of work coming down on this Ben Kaddi performance that we're going to present for Trinidad and Tobago.
01:41:18Yeah.
01:41:19Yeah.
01:41:20Now, you spoke about visitors, your guests coming into the country to participate in this event.
01:41:31Is there or are there opportunities also for Trinidadians who are performing at this event?
01:41:40Because of the relationships that they will forge at this event and events such as these to also take what we have here abroad.
01:41:53Yeah, of course.
01:41:55Actually, one of the main purpose we have in this is because we was invited to Guinea by a master dancer, a grand master dancer, Mustafa Bangura, who's having a festival from the 2nd to the 12th of December.
01:42:10And we was invited to that.
01:42:12So, this is also a fundraiser that we're trying to make get towards going to Guinea in December.
01:42:18Yeah.
01:42:19You know, sometimes we really don't know a lot of the things that are happening behind the scenes.
01:42:26Yeah.
01:42:27And for an event such as this, but I'm just looking at all of the moving parts and all of the opportunities.
01:42:37Is there also an opportunity for people to become or participate or how does one become involved with your performing company?
01:42:51Well, our performing company is open.
01:42:54We always welcome people.
01:42:56We never tell nobody, no.
01:42:59We rehearse on a Saturday from 5 where we do drumming from 5 to 6.
01:43:05And then we go into dancing from 6 to 10, 9, according to how the workload is.
01:43:12So, it's simple.
01:43:15Come, ask to join if you're interested.
01:43:18We give you the registration form.
01:43:20It's online.
01:43:22The registration is $2.50.
01:43:24Become a member and the monthly subscription of $50 a month.
01:43:29All right.
01:43:30From what age?
01:43:31Well, we have the junior company that we're restarting in September.
01:43:35So, that does go from age 5 to about 16 and then it transfers over into the senior performing company.
01:43:42Mm-hmm.
01:43:43Mr. Phillips, any other piece of information you would like to give us before you leave us this morning?
01:43:49Well, I would like to invite Trinidad and Tobago to come to this performance.
01:43:53If they don't come, you're missing something that you will never see again in Trinidad and Tobago to this extent.
01:43:59Yeah, well, Mr. Phillips, if you're putting it that way, they're going to have to come, you know.
01:44:02Yes, it's a blast.
01:44:03Yeah, because I suspect, as you're saying, it's something that doesn't happen all of the time overnight.
01:44:09Yeah.
01:44:10You know, it takes a lot of preparation and it only happens maybe once a year.
01:44:14Yeah.
01:44:15It's a good opportunity.
01:44:17Yeah.
01:44:1814 years.
01:44:19So, it's going to be nice.
01:44:21All right.
01:44:22It's going to be interesting.
01:44:23So, I invite Trinidad and Tobago to come out and let us enjoy Benkadi.
01:44:28All right, and we do have all of your contact information.
01:44:31All right, Mr. Phillips.
01:44:32Well, we do appreciate you coming here this morning.
01:44:35Thank you for the information.
01:44:36Thank you for having me.
01:44:37I wish you all the best for your event.
01:44:38Thank you so much.
01:44:39All right, so we are going to have a very short break, everybody.
01:44:41When we come back, we're going to be coming back with your calls.
01:44:43623-1711, the extension, it's 1995.
01:44:47We're coming back.
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