Morning Edition: 27th June 2024

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00:00:00And a very special good morning Trinidad and Tobago and the rest of the world.

00:00:17I'm Arlan Hopkins and as always, welcome to The Morning Edition.

00:00:20It's Thursday, June 27th.

00:00:22Thank you very much for joining us.

00:00:24Yeah, we do appreciate it.

00:00:25How was your night?

00:00:26I hope that it was good and that you're safe and sound with us this morning.

00:00:30There was some cricket last night, not so Sharla?

00:00:34Yeah, give us the results.

00:00:36Give us the results.

00:00:37No, I'm calling your name.

00:00:38So if you're giving some wrong information, we'll have to blame you.

00:00:41So who played last night?

00:00:44Afghanistan and South Africa.

00:00:48South Africa won.

00:00:49They're moving on to the finals.

00:00:50All right.

00:00:51Breaking news for you from our producer this morning, Sharla, yeah?

00:00:56Yeah.

00:00:57I know.

00:00:58That's why I did that.

00:00:59All right.

00:01:00Let's check out to see what's happening in the Daily Express today.

00:01:04Nurse shot dead, ambushed by gunmen outside Princess Town Health Facility, killed.

00:01:11Nurse Sadhana Gangu, a beauty pageant contestant, was gunned down near her workplace in Princess

00:01:15Town yesterday afternoon.

00:01:17Let's get to some of the details.

00:01:19Nurse stalked, gunned down.

00:01:22Behind the smile and charisma of nurse and beauty pageant contestant Sadhana Gangu lay

00:01:27the pain of a woman who was marked for death.

00:01:30Gangu was stalked and gunned down moments after she exited her workplace at the Princess

00:01:35Town District Health Facility yesterday afternoon.

00:01:39She was 44 years old.

00:01:41All right.

00:01:42So I suspect investigations are continuing in connection with that matter and a very

00:01:47interesting story in the newspaper this morning.

00:01:50Man sentenced for 2018 rape of wife.

00:01:53Judge, this is according to a judge, domestic violence offenses way too common in Trinidad

00:01:58and Tobago.

00:02:00Intimate partner violence is an issue that is becoming more and more pervasive in Trinidad

00:02:05and Tobago, and that's according to Justice Lisa Ramsoumer Hines, and she said that on

00:02:10Tuesday.

00:02:11All right.

00:02:12We're moving on to some sport now.

00:02:14Blame the prep.

00:02:15Now listen to this story, yeah?

00:02:17Listen to this.

00:02:18Blame the prep.

00:02:19Ex-selector Butcher, West Indies buildup caused World Cup failure.

00:02:25Fail to prepare.

00:02:26Prepare to fail.

00:02:27Poor preparation, according to recently released West Indies selector Roland Butcher, is the

00:02:32main reason the regional team is now out of the T20 World Cup.

00:02:37West Indies exited the tournament currently being played in the Caribbean early Monday,

00:02:42following a three-wicket defeat to South Africa in Antigua.

00:02:46So let me ask something, right?

00:02:48So judging as to what Mr. Butcher is saying, was that a feeling by a number of persons

00:02:58who were close to the team?

00:03:00Because let me tell you something.

00:03:01If the team was doing well, then we would not have heard about these claims, right?

00:03:05But now that the team is out of the tournament, we're hearing about all of this.

00:03:09So again, you need to hold people accountable as to what has transpired here.

00:03:14All right?

00:03:15So when you thought that things were improving for the West Indies cricket team, you know,

00:03:22there remain deep-rooted problems.

00:03:24All right?

00:03:25So it's time to remind you of a Trinbago Unised feature.

00:03:27Remember to participate, WhatsApp your videos or images to 737-3778.

00:03:32What do we have for our viewers this morning?

00:03:33Put them up.

00:03:34All right?

00:03:35That's a beautiful picture.

00:03:36Yeah?

00:03:37Have you all taken, you know, there are tours, right, where you can take a ride?

00:03:44Yeah.

00:03:45Oh, you have done it?

00:03:47Oh, Charlotte says she has done it several times.

00:03:52But if you would have...

00:03:54But my question to you, if you went there once or twice, why would you want to go several

00:03:58times?

00:03:59I'm just...

00:04:00I'm just saying.

00:04:01I'm just saying.

00:04:02All right.

00:04:03So you have your coffee, you have your tea.

00:04:07We're coming back, everybody.

00:04:08We're coming back.

00:04:10We'll be in the time of reflection and fasting.

00:04:13Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:14Right now, we in the mood for some hard ghetto blasting.

00:04:17Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:18So go ahead and probably confront.

00:04:21Don't you know it's your due?

00:04:23Oh, oh, oh.

00:04:24Go ahead and let the spirit of...

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00:05:37No.

00:05:44No, son.

00:05:45No.

00:05:49No.

00:05:54Please.

00:05:55No.

00:06:07No.

00:06:34Let's take a selfie.

00:06:37It looking good, boy.

00:06:39I'm posting it online.

00:06:43Hey.

00:06:44I thought you said you went to the beach with your parents.

00:06:47Who's you?

00:06:48It's me, Larry.

00:06:51From online.

00:07:07So you have big plans for the year, eh?

00:07:10A trip in July, birthday in November, and fet after fet this carnival.

00:07:16But you know what'll stop plans?

00:07:19A $22,500 fine.

00:07:23You know what else could really stop your plans?

00:07:27Five years imprisonment and suspension on your license for three years.

00:07:32Don't drink and drive.

00:07:37You need maths for this.

00:07:39But what must I study, daddy, to get into politics?

00:07:44Son, where can you be in the PNM party?

00:07:50And your heart?

00:07:52All right.

00:07:53So welcome back, everyone.

00:07:54So first on the agenda this morning, we do have some politics for you

00:07:57and the ongoing controversy within the United National Congress.

00:08:00You would remember that last week, the member of parliament for Komuto Manzanilla,

00:08:03You would remember that last week, the member of parliament for Komuto Manzanilla,

00:08:06Dr. Rai Ragbir, voted with the government in favor of the whistleblower legislation,

00:08:11saying he decided to do so because he wanted to put the country first.

00:08:15Dr. Ragbir has since said he expects to be expelled from the UNC

00:08:19as his vote was not in sync with his party's position.

00:08:23The UNC has yet to take a decision on Dr. Ragbir's political future.

00:08:28So joining us to discuss the issue this morning is political analyst

00:08:31Dr. Indira Rampersad.

00:08:33Dr. Rampersad, thank you very much for joining us this morning.

00:08:37Good morning, madame.

00:08:38Good morning, viewers.

00:08:39Yeah, Dr. Rampersad, always good to speak with you.

00:08:41Well, Dr. Rampersad, like you and I'm sure other people,

00:08:44we have been looking at what has been happening within the United National Congress

00:08:48over the past few weeks.

00:08:50This situation with Dr. Rai Ragbir,

00:08:54it's the latest salvo, I suspect we can put it that way,

00:08:58from persons who are not, I think the word may be comfortable,

00:09:03as to what is happening within the UNC.

00:09:06How do you see things, Dr. Rampersad?

00:09:10Well, I think Dr. Ragbir made a decisive statement

00:09:16that he is ready to go, actually.

00:09:19He is ready to go.

00:09:20He claims it's a conscience vote on that whistleblowing legislation.

00:09:28But it was the first time he took a conscience vote

00:09:31since he's been in the UNC.

00:09:34It's the first time and it comes directly in the week of an internal election,

00:09:38which he lost with his other colleagues there.

00:09:41So I think he was prepared to go.

00:09:44He is self-sufficient and as much as self-employed,

00:09:48he has his own medical practice.

00:09:50So I think he's all pretty much ready to go.

00:09:56In terms of the repercussions of what he has done,

00:10:01it is somewhat a breach of what is known as collective responsibility in politics.

00:10:06So you have individual responsibility,

00:10:09which is that individuals are expected to comport themselves in a certain way,

00:10:13you know, not supposed to get involved in corrupt activities,

00:10:17financial improprieties.

00:10:19And there is collective, there's a doctrine of collective responsibility,

00:10:23where you are really supposed to,

00:10:26and I don't want to put it as to the party line,

00:10:28but you're supposed to go along with the party.

00:10:31Because even if, as he claims, it was a conscience vote,

00:10:36he did it because he believed in this whistleblowing legislation,

00:10:40his vote was not required.

00:10:42His vote was not required because,

00:10:45and this is what I found actually more interesting,

00:10:48it was a vote that initially required a third majority,

00:10:53but no longer required that.

00:10:55At the time it was taken,

00:10:57the government had changed it for a simple majority.

00:10:59The legality of that is another issue,

00:11:02but it was a simple majority vote,

00:11:04which, you know, his support was not needed

00:11:07for the vote, for the legislation,

00:11:09for the bill to be passed.

00:11:11Yeah, Dr. Rappasad, you say he's ready to go.

00:11:15Is it then you believe that he is ready to face the consequences,

00:11:20whatever they may be, the political consequences?

00:11:24Well, face the consequences in as much as,

00:11:27if they oust him, it doesn't matter.

00:11:29He doesn't care.

00:11:31He expects it, right?

00:11:33He expects it because, you know,

00:11:35you don't breach that doctrine of collective responsibility

00:11:38in the Westminster political system.

00:11:40There will be repercussions.

00:11:42There are always repercussions, serious repercussions.

00:11:45Now the others fought until the election,

00:11:48but they voted with the party, you know, for the bill.

00:11:52So in terms of them having breached anything per se,

00:11:56we can't say that.

00:11:58We can't say that they breached any doctrine

00:12:02as he did in voting along with the PNM.

00:12:06So it's our system of governance, you know.

00:12:10So some people said it's brave

00:12:12and it's the right thing to do

00:12:14and it's the ethical thing to do.

00:12:16But you see, the politics,

00:12:18and you know, it was rightly said,

00:12:20does carry a morality of its own,

00:12:22but it also carries certain expected behaviour,

00:12:26certain norms, certain patterns of behaviour

00:12:29that when a bill comes before you in the parliament,

00:12:33you vote along your party lines.

00:12:37So then is it safe to say that,

00:12:40judging from what you were saying, Dr Rampersad,

00:12:42was Dr Ragbir right?

00:12:44Was he wrong in what he did?

00:12:48Well, I don't want to use the term right and wrong.

00:12:50Those are loaded terms, you know.

00:12:54What I have said is that

00:12:56there was a breach of collective responsibility.

00:12:59The opposition leader can actually invoke

00:13:02the crossing of the floor act as well

00:13:04to oust them from the party.

00:13:06And by extension,

00:13:08you have to call a by-election

00:13:10in Komoto Manzanilla,

00:13:12which is his constituency.

00:13:14And we saw, I think I saw

00:13:16a host of constituents

00:13:18not being very pleased

00:13:20with this, with him at all,

00:13:22with his move.

00:13:24And naturally, because they voted him

00:13:26on the UNC banner,

00:13:28not to go and vote for the PNM.

00:13:30And I don't think many

00:13:32are buying this whole argument

00:13:34about you believe in this

00:13:36whistleblowing legislation.

00:13:38You never ever voted

00:13:40in all your years at the UNC.

00:13:42You never ever voted

00:13:44against the party

00:13:46and suddenly there is a conscious vote.

00:13:48So it raises a lot of doubts

00:13:50and a lot of questions.

00:13:52Do you think that

00:13:54supporters of the United National Congress,

00:13:56they should be concerned

00:13:58as to what we have

00:14:00been seeing and what

00:14:02they have been hearing

00:14:04coming from within the party?

00:14:07Of course, you had the internal elections

00:14:09and you had the slate led by

00:14:11the

00:14:13MP

00:14:15for Mayaro,

00:14:17Rushton Parry.

00:14:19And they would have said a number of things.

00:14:21You heard the opposition leader,

00:14:23Mrs. Kamala Prasad Bisesa,

00:14:25and she led another slate,

00:14:27the star team.

00:14:29Of course, they came out victorious.

00:14:31So the question again is,

00:14:33should members of the party

00:14:35be concerned as to what

00:14:37they have been seeing and hearing

00:14:39coming from both sides?

00:14:41Well, there will

00:14:43always be concern

00:14:45from party supporters

00:14:47when there are internal rallies in their party.

00:14:49There will be concerns.

00:14:51There would be perceptions

00:14:53of divisiveness and there is

00:14:55a lack of cohesion

00:14:57that they don't have their act together.

00:14:59However, whether

00:15:01they should be concerned

00:15:03about the implications of the internal rallies.

00:15:05Keep in mind, it was

00:15:07an internal election.

00:15:09You would have.

00:15:11It's a fight.

00:15:13It's a battle.

00:15:15It's a competition.

00:15:17It's a competition.

00:15:19Whether it's a healthy competition or an unhealthy one

00:15:21is to be analysed.

00:15:23But you would expect

00:15:25some mudslinging.

00:15:27You would expect some

00:15:29ill-speaking of each other.

00:15:31It goes on in election campaigns all the time.

00:15:33It's unfortunate when

00:15:35it is within the same party

00:15:37as opposed to against parties.

00:15:39The implications

00:15:41are, well, I think

00:15:43the general election, we're not hearing

00:15:45a date call yet.

00:15:47There is still time for that.

00:15:49The last election was called in August

00:15:512020.

00:15:53You have more than a year

00:15:55for that election before it is

00:15:57constitutionally due.

00:15:59That does not mean that the Prime Minister

00:16:01cannot call it early.

00:16:03Mr. Manning called elections early

00:16:05twice.

00:16:07That is also in the cards

00:16:09that the government can call it early.

00:16:11They have been given some indications

00:16:13and hints of this.

00:16:15Dr. Rowley talked about

00:16:17going to select

00:16:19candidates for some

00:16:21UNC seats from about

00:16:23five or six UNC seats, I heard him mention

00:16:25as well.

00:16:28The party

00:16:30would need to get into

00:16:32general election

00:16:34mode.

00:16:36They have bounced

00:16:38back in terms of a party

00:16:40after internal elections.

00:16:42It is bruising

00:16:44but it is not

00:16:46going to

00:16:48kill the party altogether.

00:16:50They have

00:16:52to pull all the

00:16:54desperate strands together.

00:16:56The opposition may even have to consider

00:16:58a coalition because the history of

00:17:00opposition politics here is

00:17:02coalition politics to get into power.

00:17:04This point

00:17:06is to get all

00:17:08cards

00:17:10on deck.

00:17:12You want to get everybody together

00:17:14that you think you can benefit

00:17:16from in the general

00:17:18election because that should

00:17:20be the focus at this point.

00:17:22I think they will try

00:17:24to put on a very strong, brave

00:17:26and cohesive front.

00:17:28Albeit that there is

00:17:30this issue with

00:17:32Dr. Ragbir

00:17:34and there was a

00:17:36bitter internal election

00:17:38when you face all of that.

00:17:40A day in politics

00:17:42is like a lifetime.

00:17:44By next week

00:17:46that would start to dissipate

00:17:48if not already.

00:17:50They have to now start to

00:17:52kill the party going forward

00:17:54to try to get

00:17:56all hands on board to be able to

00:17:58win a general election

00:18:00against BNN.

00:18:02You feel that

00:18:04they can put aside their differences

00:18:06and move on but I want to put it

00:18:08in the context, Dr. Rampersad

00:18:10and if we can get

00:18:12back to the internal elections

00:18:14because some people would have seen

00:18:16it as a very simple thing.

00:18:18Of course, Mr. Parry and his

00:18:20they called for the internal elections

00:18:22but there was the view that

00:18:24the internal elections had to come

00:18:26and it had to come in June.

00:18:28So there was the feeling

00:18:30why couldn't they wait

00:18:34and in fact

00:18:36were there more

00:18:38deep seated problems

00:18:40within the party

00:18:42and that's why

00:18:44they attempted to deal

00:18:46with the internal elections

00:18:49in this way because as I said

00:18:51some people saw it as a simple thing

00:18:53the party had to call the election

00:18:55the elections we knew were coming

00:18:57so why all of this hullabaloo?

00:19:01Well, I think they misunderstood

00:19:03their own party

00:19:05roots initially

00:19:07so I think because I was

00:19:09following their discourse

00:19:11and I think they didn't realize that

00:19:13there would not be an election

00:19:15for the leader

00:19:17there was some disenchantment

00:19:19with the leader, I think

00:19:21and that is what they wanted

00:19:23they wanted a leadership election

00:19:25as well

00:19:27so they thought that the NatEx election

00:19:29will also include a leadership election

00:19:31which it has at times

00:19:33so there were times when the national executive elections

00:19:35that is what we are calling NatEx here

00:19:37included the leadership elections

00:19:39and there were other times

00:19:41when it didn't

00:19:43there was a time when

00:19:45Ramesh Lawrence Mirage

00:19:47and Carlos John went against

00:19:49they went up for

00:19:51deputy political leader

00:19:53against each other

00:19:55Mr. Pandey was not part of that

00:19:57as leader of the opposition

00:19:59his position was not up for grabs

00:20:01so this is a similar scenario

00:20:03that would have happened

00:20:05so I think they didn't realize

00:20:07because I was listening to them

00:20:09and they were talking about that

00:20:11leadership election

00:20:13and as it turned out

00:20:15there was no need for a leadership election

00:20:17or there was no need for that

00:20:19post to be contested

00:20:21and so they had

00:20:23the national executive elections

00:20:25which they have always held

00:20:27and they have always held on time

00:20:29you know there is some provision

00:20:31to probably hold it early

00:20:33and you know

00:20:35sometimes probably a little late

00:20:37not too late

00:20:39but I think that was always in the cards

00:20:41and they held its internal elections

00:20:43but

00:20:45they were of the opinion

00:20:47that it was not going to be called

00:20:49and that they have scored a phenomenal victory

00:20:51by getting the elections called

00:20:53I am not so sure

00:20:55that that was any victory

00:20:57I think the elections were going to be called

00:20:59what I think they didn't realize

00:21:01initially

00:21:03when they were calling for it

00:21:05is that the opposition leader was not going to be contested

00:21:07in that election

00:21:10Following the results of the internal elections

00:21:12we did an interview with Mr. Parry

00:21:14and I was asking him

00:21:16about the executive

00:21:18how he feels about this new executive

00:21:20and does he believe that this executive

00:21:22can take the party to victory

00:21:24in the next general election

00:21:26and he was telling me at that time

00:21:28that he believes that this is really

00:21:30the same old executive

00:21:32and I want to ask this question

00:21:36if what Mr. Parry

00:21:38is saying is true

00:21:40that it's really the same executive

00:21:42is the party

00:21:44in a better position

00:21:46now to win

00:21:48the next general election

00:21:50and is the political

00:21:52leader, Mrs. Kamala Prasad

00:21:54does she remain politically

00:21:56attractive

00:22:00Well, she's commanded the majority

00:22:02of votes

00:22:04in the internal elections

00:22:06some 77%

00:22:08as opposed to 23%

00:22:10and when I say she, her star team

00:22:12the team that she endorsed

00:22:14she's also

00:22:16tied in a very recent

00:22:18local government election

00:22:20was running neck to neck

00:22:22and she overwhelmingly

00:22:24got the popular vote as well

00:22:26now that is not

00:22:28a clear win

00:22:30certainly it's not a clear win

00:22:32but you know

00:22:34so far

00:22:36we've not been able to see an

00:22:38alternative

00:22:40a viable alternative

00:22:42so they have presented themselves

00:22:44as alternatives, although there was no

00:22:46competition for the opposition

00:22:48leader's post, they have presented themselves

00:22:50as viable alternatives

00:22:52for the national

00:22:54executive, but let's come back

00:22:56to this national executive

00:22:58so they run party affairs

00:23:00basically, they're in charge of

00:23:02party affairs

00:23:04but for a general election

00:23:06you know

00:23:08it takes more than a national executive

00:23:10there are a lot of other factors

00:23:12that play, one is

00:23:14the boundaries

00:23:16and moving or pulling divisions

00:23:18and the extent to which that can impact

00:23:20marginal constituencies

00:23:22in fact I think it's primary

00:23:24it's a primary factor

00:23:26in winning a general election

00:23:28you have to win the marginal

00:23:31constituencies and that boundary

00:23:33is important, so if pulling

00:23:35divisions were moved that are going to impact

00:23:37that, that can have an

00:23:39impact, they are a repercussion

00:23:41the other factor

00:23:43is funding

00:23:45you have to be able to attract tremendous

00:23:47funding because some say

00:23:49look where the money is going and you see who is

00:23:51going to win the election

00:23:53and a general election

00:23:55but the general election costs

00:23:57a lot more millions of dollars

00:23:59they cost millions of dollars

00:24:01so are you going to attract financiers

00:24:03money is very important

00:24:05then the campaign

00:24:07the campaign

00:24:09what is said in the hustings

00:24:11what is not said in the hustings

00:24:13and how your speeches in the campaign

00:24:15platform can reach

00:24:17to the ordinary voter

00:24:19that is also important

00:24:21and then of course

00:24:23the whole electoral machinery

00:24:25in the run up to the elections

00:24:27how well you can bring out voters

00:24:29on that day

00:24:31what extent can you go

00:24:33to the nook and cranny of these marginal

00:24:35constituencies in particular

00:24:37where the elections are generally won

00:24:39and bring them out on election day

00:24:41so there are so many factors

00:24:43and after the dust

00:24:45has settled on the internal wrangling

00:24:47I think the party

00:24:49is now going to be on

00:24:51election mode

00:24:53so they are going to be

00:24:55focusing on election

00:24:57they had started some campaign

00:24:59on crime

00:25:01there was a series of forums

00:25:03on crime which is a burning issue

00:25:05there is now issue of the

00:25:07economy and 9 billion dollar

00:25:09deficit in the budget

00:25:11unemployment, rising prices

00:25:13food prices, trade union

00:25:15settlement and Marlon we are seeing

00:25:17now trade union

00:25:19and this is Mr Rouge

00:25:21and that

00:25:23actually rumbling

00:25:25as well on labour day

00:25:27and threatening to

00:25:29support the United National

00:25:31Congress in

00:25:33a general election

00:25:35a lot of that also has to do with the sale

00:25:37of the refinery

00:25:39I want to get

00:25:41a perspective on the refinery and this new

00:25:43controversy that has come up

00:25:45what do you think about this

00:25:47support by the trade union

00:25:49movement for the UNC

00:25:52in the run up for the next

00:25:54general election

00:25:56well I see it as a

00:25:58coalition force

00:26:00a potential coalition force

00:26:02so some argue that

00:26:04labour doesn't

00:26:06really impact on

00:26:08election results, I have heard other

00:26:10colleagues saying that

00:26:12but you see if you form a coalition

00:26:14coalitions tend to have a

00:26:16ripple effect

00:26:18throughout the country

00:26:20and if you give that semblance

00:26:22of national unity

00:26:24of all inclusion

00:26:26inclusiveness

00:26:28it has a ripple effect

00:26:30so you attract a trade union

00:26:32to you

00:26:34some of them may not vote

00:26:36who are traditional PNM voters

00:26:38may not vote the PNM

00:26:40some of them may go over to the UNC

00:26:42some may not vote at all

00:26:44so you have all kinds of dynamics

00:26:46at play with coalition politics

00:26:48it brings a whole new flavour

00:26:50to the politics

00:26:52and it's not only the trade union

00:26:54you would want to attract

00:26:56by forging that

00:26:58unity

00:27:00with the trade union movement

00:27:02you can also attract

00:27:04other forces

00:27:06that are willing to come forward

00:27:08so I saw that sort of

00:27:10olive branch and conciliatory

00:27:12tone

00:27:14on Monday night

00:27:16for the National Executive

00:27:18coming from the opposition

00:27:20leader

00:27:22ready to welcome everyone

00:27:24and she talked about all the past

00:27:26they had but they got back

00:27:28together and Mr. Warner

00:27:30coming back, leaving and coming back

00:27:32and you had a series of other people

00:27:34with that happening

00:27:36so there is always room for healing

00:27:38which is the way to go

00:27:40if you want to win an election

00:27:42if you are in opposition

00:27:44while it is very important

00:27:46to make that call

00:27:48for inclusiveness

00:27:50and national unity

00:27:52to secure

00:27:54a coalition

00:27:56or an accommodation

00:27:58meaning that

00:28:00you don't fight each other

00:28:02in particular constituencies

00:28:04Dr. Rampersad, let's get to this

00:28:06new controversy

00:28:08that has happened

00:28:10in relation to the Petrotrain

00:28:13refinery. Of course recently

00:28:15the Prime Minister met with

00:28:17Naveen Jindal

00:28:19the chairman of

00:28:21Jindal Steel and Power

00:28:23the opposition is

00:28:25questioning

00:28:27the talks, questioning this

00:28:29meeting with the Prime Minister

00:28:31and the billionaire

00:28:33Mr. Naveen Jindal

00:28:35and he is facing corruption charges

00:28:37in India

00:28:39What is your perspective Dr. Rampersad?

00:28:41Well it is not just the opposition

00:28:43that is questioning

00:28:45it is also the trade union

00:28:47and also the people

00:28:49because we have seen a lot of views

00:28:51coming from the public on this

00:28:53and I think there is reason for concern

00:28:55the individual is under

00:28:57corruption charges in India

00:28:59for some deal

00:29:01some deal that was cut

00:29:03and some coal initiative

00:29:05there

00:29:07and Dr. Rowley says he did not know

00:29:09now

00:29:11you know you are the Prime Minister

00:29:13you have gone

00:29:15you have courted these business persons

00:29:17there is nothing wrong in courting business persons

00:29:19there is absolutely nothing wrong

00:29:21in trying to secure foreign direct

00:29:23investment

00:29:25but there is a but

00:29:27you have to ensure

00:29:29that those you are courting

00:29:31are ethical

00:29:33are not involved in corruption

00:29:35and that the deal

00:29:37that you are going to strike

00:29:39whatever arrangements

00:29:41whatever financial arrangements

00:29:43come out of that

00:29:45if any should be above board

00:29:47and beyond scrutiny

00:29:49the opposition is asking directly

00:29:51because the opposition has that platform

00:29:53but there are many citizens

00:29:55who are also asking the question

00:29:57and citizens of this country

00:29:59have a right to know

00:30:01the citizens have a right to know

00:30:03because they are taxpayers

00:30:05this country has been embroiled

00:30:07in controversy

00:30:09for a long time

00:30:11because a lot of unemployment

00:30:13resulted in us having to

00:30:15buy refined oil

00:30:17you know even for our own use

00:30:19and so

00:30:21the other dimension to it now

00:30:23is a link to Venezuela

00:30:25and Mr. Jindal

00:30:27was also there

00:30:29so he seemed to be somewhat

00:30:31what we would say ubiquitous

00:30:34and was actually

00:30:36in Venezuela

00:30:38sometime in April this year

00:30:40securing an arrangement

00:30:42so what the opposition leader

00:30:44has done and maybe they've done

00:30:46their research

00:30:48it's information that we need to know

00:30:50that there shouldn't be speculation

00:30:52because this is our national

00:30:54patrimony

00:30:56if taxpayers money are involved

00:30:58every citizen of the country has a right

00:31:00to know

00:31:02one of the things we never know

00:31:04is what are the terms and conditions

00:31:06of the contracts

00:31:08that are involved

00:31:10in these foreign direct

00:31:12investment deals

00:31:14what are the terms and conditions

00:31:16the population needs to know

00:31:18there is Freedom of Information Act

00:31:20in which they can also seek

00:31:22that kind of information

00:31:24may or may not get it

00:31:26and sometimes they claim that

00:31:28they are non-disclosure clauses

00:31:30which are China

00:31:32but that is not good enough

00:31:34the population is vigilant

00:31:36the population wants to know

00:31:38the citizens have a right to know

00:31:40and as much as they are taxpayers

00:31:42and they are citizens of this country

00:31:44they have a right to know exactly

00:31:46what is going on

00:31:48well yesterday the Prime Minister

00:31:50responded to some of the criticisms

00:31:52and he said the same people who criticize the government

00:31:54for not attracting foreign investment

00:31:56are the very people who are seeking

00:31:58from investing in Trinidad and Tobago

00:32:00that's according to the Prime Minister

00:32:02he said we of the PNM are accustomed

00:32:04to that kind of opposition

00:32:06and we will not be dissuaded

00:32:08there has not been a single initiative in this country

00:32:10of any consequence

00:32:12which has been advanced by the PNM

00:32:14which has not been resisted by a faction

00:32:16of the population

00:32:18whether it was PAYE, Free Education

00:32:20UTC or NIB

00:32:22yes

00:32:24and you see this

00:32:26they attempt to deflect

00:32:28they are asking questions

00:32:30the opposition is asking

00:32:32but the people are also asking

00:32:34and the population has a right to know

00:32:36so to deflect like that

00:32:38and I heard comments about a member of the party

00:32:40I think it was the Chief Whip Mr David Lee

00:32:42being involved

00:32:44in some kind of charges

00:32:46and all that

00:32:48but you see Mr David Lee did not

00:32:50they refined we belong to the people

00:32:52of Trinidad and Tobago

00:32:55this is a controversial issue

00:32:57this is not just the opposition's

00:32:59issue

00:33:01this is the population's

00:33:03concern

00:33:05so as we know it's long standing

00:33:07I just mentioned that the controversy is long standing

00:33:09at one time trade union movement

00:33:11Mr Roger and his team wanted to purchase it

00:33:13they were not allowed

00:33:15we did not hear what went on there exactly

00:33:17so there is going to be

00:33:19a lot of scrutiny

00:33:21and the scrutiny is legitimate

00:33:23regardless of what the Prime Minister says

00:33:25and how he tries to deflect

00:33:27and you know they are trying to undermine

00:33:29the corruption charges

00:33:31I heard Minister Paula Goopy-Scoon

00:33:33saying that

00:33:35you always have these legal

00:33:37issues and you know

00:33:39trying to make it sound as if it's no big deal

00:33:41it is a big deal

00:33:43when it involves

00:33:45the country's assets

00:33:47when the assets belong

00:33:49to the people

00:33:51the people have a right to question

00:33:53and the people have a right to get

00:33:55answers

00:33:57so that I would support

00:33:59any scrutiny

00:34:01on any state enterprise

00:34:03any state initiative

00:34:05any state arrangement that would involve

00:34:07the assets of the country

00:34:09Dr Rampersad I just have about maybe

00:34:11one minute or two

00:34:13but as you look at the next few months

00:34:15and the run up to the next

00:34:17general elections

00:34:19what are the main issues politically?

00:34:23Well I did allude to some

00:34:25I think crime remains

00:34:27a number one issue

00:34:29in the country

00:34:31so that definitely

00:34:33has to be addressed

00:34:35the country cannot continue like this

00:34:37and I'm not going to go into that discourse

00:34:39it's spent

00:34:41there is also the potential

00:34:43and looming ahead

00:34:45property tax

00:34:47they've already been playing that

00:34:49before the internal

00:34:51they got distracted with the internal election

00:34:53but that was another issue

00:34:55that was on the agenda

00:34:57and if the government calls another election

00:34:59it may very well be to implement that

00:35:01as soon as possible

00:35:03there is also

00:35:05the $9 billion deficit

00:35:07so it's a state of the economy

00:35:09accompanied by rising

00:35:11unemployment and high prices

00:35:13and rising food, fuel

00:35:16transportation costs

00:35:18which the average

00:35:20citizen is just

00:35:22struggling to make ends meet

00:35:24and a big one

00:35:26is the trade union settlement

00:35:28and I cannot not wear my trade union

00:35:30cap here this morning my lord

00:35:32because you know

00:35:34several trade unions have not accepted

00:35:36the 4% and therefore

00:35:38their followers

00:35:40are going to be thinking twice about

00:35:42supporting a government that is throwing

00:35:444% and 4% at them

00:35:46whereas it is being proposed

00:35:48all kinds of 60, 70 and 80%

00:35:50for government officials

00:35:52Dr Rampersad it's always a pleasure speaking with you

00:35:54thank you very much for joining us

00:35:56this morning we do appreciate it

00:35:58bye for now

00:36:00thank you very very much Marlon

00:36:02thank you for having me

00:36:04thanks to our viewers

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00:39:01Our next guest says he liked that song too bad, yeah?

00:39:09So there's a webinar this evening, all right?

00:39:12The topic is Parenting in the Caribbean, a faith-based response.

00:39:18My next guest, Pastor Clive Doughton.

00:39:20Pastor Doughton, it's always a pleasure to have you here.

00:39:23It's always a pleasure.

00:39:24When I got the call, I said, yes, I will come tomorrow morning.

00:39:27It's TV6.

00:39:28Yeah.

00:39:29Their wish is my command.

00:39:30So when they called me, well, you know, my department is public affairs and religious

00:39:36liberty.

00:39:37Yeah.

00:39:38And we have had, I thank Professor Green from the University of Trinidad and Tobago in a

00:39:43big way, and his team.

00:39:45But we have a monthly webinar.

00:39:47The first webinar dealing with the part of public affairs, and that is the issue of crime

00:39:53in the Caribbean, a faith-based response.

00:39:56What is the church doing?

00:39:57What is religion doing?

00:39:59The second webinar was lifestyle, NCDs in the Caribbean, non-communicable diseases,

00:40:05a faith-based response.

00:40:07And tonight, the hot, hot issue, I listened to Dr. Rampersad, issue of crime, I mean,

00:40:14and you have to say family.

00:40:15As you say crime, you could shout family, because, you know, we have intergenerational

00:40:19stuff here.

00:40:20We have grandparents in crime in one family, parents in crime, and grandchildren in crime.

00:40:24You have 10-year-olds cutting cocaine, and 14-year-olds who are assistant gang leaders

00:40:29in the school, to the adult community gang leaders, so the issue of parenting.

00:40:34And I want to say a word on that.

00:40:37David Fields, who is an internationally renowned family life therapist, he talked about three

00:40:43kinds of family, the bonded family, the ruling family, and the chaotic family.

00:40:48A lot of families are chaotic, no boundaries, no principles, no values, and many of the

00:40:56young people are growing up in loveless and godless homes.

00:40:59When Kyle was killed last year, I had adopted Kyle.

00:41:02I don't have any children of my own, but he was from the Tanapuna hotspot, and we had

00:41:08a relationship with the entire family.

00:41:10It's about family, and eventually, he was shot in his eyes, all right, in the same Tanapuna

00:41:15that he had loved, because he had come out of the gang story, and he was shot and killed.

00:41:21So you have the chaotic family, nobody really in charge, and then the ruling family, when

00:41:27somebody is too much in charge, that ruling family is where one person is the boss, and

00:41:31the rest are like slaves.

00:41:33They have, they call it rough and tough.

00:41:37Then you have the bonded family.

00:41:39The bonded family is the family where the independence is equal, the dependence is mutual,

00:41:45and the obligation is reciprocal.

00:41:47What that means is there's a high level of reciprocity and flexibility.

00:41:51People accept their responsibility.

00:41:54At the same time, there's no dictatorship like in the ruling family, all right?

00:41:58You know, women's libers are very hostile towards a fellow called Paul in the Bible,

00:42:04you know, because they feel he elevates the male above the female.

00:42:08They don't really do that, but anyhow.

00:42:10So the bonded family is the family that has a family altar, and they have a family council

00:42:16on a weekly basis, and they love each other, all right?

00:42:19That's perhaps taken straight out of the model of the Garden of Eden.

00:42:23But then you have so many variations, Marlon, until you have the visiting father, you have

00:42:30the bisexual parent now.

00:42:32There's so many, and you have families that are a kind of what I call mosaic, where there

00:42:40are really no parents, but people have adopted these folks.

00:42:43I recall a case I was dealing with up in Laventille there, where the guy was adopted because the

00:42:50parents had disappeared, essentially disappeared.

00:42:54So you have what is called a disappearing parent, all right?

00:42:58Had disappeared, and he was there, and the grandparents wanted to heal because they weren't

00:43:03healing.

00:43:04He was the object of the division in the home, but we dealt with that and pulled the family

00:43:08together.

00:43:09So it's about family.

00:43:10And then I want to tell you something.

00:43:11You have the nation as a family, and as a listener, Dr. Rampersad, you know, we must

00:43:16talk more about the nation as a family.

00:43:18Let me tell you something.

00:43:20I met Elie Zakoura the last election, the Sunday before he told me, come and pray, and

00:43:25I got up there, you know, with my mad, crazy self, you know what I said?

00:43:28Now, he's UNC, right, but he wanted to have a prayer meeting this Sunday.

00:43:32I mean, if I didn't call him in, but he couldn't even hope to win.

00:43:36So I went there, and I said, I don't have a Syrian Lebanese friend.

00:43:41I said that publicly.

00:43:43I don't have one.

00:43:44And Elie Zakoura says, I will be your first.

00:43:47And now recently here, I started to deal with this guy, Hadid, at the store on Frederick

00:43:53Street there.

00:43:55Yes.

00:43:56And it's a love thing.

00:43:57When I met with him the first time about a month ago before I went to London, listen,

00:44:02he was emotional.

00:44:03He nearly cried.

00:44:04He said, Pastor, I have such respect for you, and we hugged, and then I gave him a book,

00:44:09and he exchanged, gave me a nice, you see, shirt like that, have mercy.

00:44:14All right.

00:44:15Pastor.

00:44:16Yes.

00:44:17The webinar, let's deal with some of the components of this webinar this evening.

00:44:22Incidentally, what time?

00:44:24It is 5 to 6.50 p.m.

00:44:26All right.

00:44:27It is 5 to 6.50 p.m.

00:44:29How do people register for it?

00:44:31People just have to go on the link, and we have sent a link on all around.

00:44:34I think we sent a link.

00:44:35If you could show it for me at some point in time, I'd be happy.

00:44:39But the link is there, all right, and we have several experts, some dealing with the spiritual

00:44:44dimension, the social crisis dimension, the parent, the divorced parent, all of that is

00:44:51coming up there.

00:44:52The child who feels he's abandoned or not loved, looking at different models of the

00:44:57family.

00:44:58As I said, the bonded, the ruling, the chaotic, there's also the protecting family, all right,

00:45:04where nobody's really allowed to make a difference in the community.

00:45:08And then we look at the family, you know, as a community, as one community, where we

00:45:14feel for each other.

00:45:15Could I just say something?

00:45:16As the politicist was being discussed, I thought about it.

00:45:19You know, we have to live together before the elections.

00:45:22We have to live together during the elections, and we have to live together after the elections.

00:45:26It's the aftermath we don't study, all right?

00:45:29And I have a favorite thing I always say.

00:45:32People tell me they feel like they're from Pandy.

00:45:34That's my own, what I'm about to say, not Baz.

00:45:36You know what I always say?

00:45:38You don't have to hate the PNM to vote for the UNC, and you don't have to hate the UNC

00:45:43to vote for the PNM.

00:45:45It mustn't have nothing but hatred at all.

00:45:48And I think the society's becoming, I think we had three more murders in San Fernando

00:45:52within the last 24 hours.

00:45:54I'm going down there in a short while.

00:45:55But what I'm saying is, we must have that commitment to forgiveness in this society.

00:46:01You know, I must be prepared to love a Catholic and a Hindu, as I love a Seventh-day Adventist.

00:46:07That's where the rubber hits the road, you know.

00:46:09I must come out of the box.

00:46:11I must defend the other side.

00:46:13You know, one of the stories that really amazed me was the story of two Germans, all right.

00:46:19They were young adults in Munich University, and they defended the Jews, they sheltered

00:46:23the Jews, and they were tortured and decapitated.

00:46:26You know what they said?

00:46:28Every word that comes from the mouth of Hitler is a lie, all right.

00:46:32They saw Germany as one family.

00:46:34That was a vision that Hitler and most, you know, dictatorial leaders don't have that

00:46:39kind of vision.

00:46:40That vision has been lost in India right now, sad to say, where the Gandhian philosophy

00:46:45is not really embraced by the present leadership.

00:46:47And I'm saying to all of us, as Trinidad and Tobago, we have to come together as we never

00:46:52came together before.

00:46:53We must have hope.

00:46:55You know, Marlon, they say, hope is to the soul what oxygen is to the body.

00:47:00Hope is to the soul what oxygen is to the body.

00:47:03And I want to tell you something.

00:47:05We need to adopt a set of young people, a set of young people growing up in loveless

00:47:08and godless homes.

00:47:10They never knew what a hug is, what touch is, the magic of touch.

00:47:14They don't understand that.

00:47:16They never really had parents who loved them unconditionally.

00:47:20I'm dealing with a family right now.

00:47:22It's a broken family, right, right, right now.

00:47:24But I'm just saying, Pastor, that this discussion that you all are having this evening, is it

00:47:30not a conversation, well, it's something that is long overdue.

00:47:35Sure.

00:47:36And you know, people have wanted, I invited over 200 people last night.

00:47:40I'm telling you.

00:47:41For the last two webinars, we've had about 260 devices, and we want to up that to 1,000.

00:47:48That is our goal.

00:47:49But it's a discussion, and it involves parents.

00:47:52It involves experts.

00:47:53It involves people involved in the possibility ministries.

00:47:57For example, how do you deal with a, you know, a differently abled child?

00:48:01How does he fit into the picture?

00:48:04How do you deal with a child who feels he's lost or she is lost?

00:48:09And then you have the issue of human trafficking in the family.

00:48:12So many young people missing.

00:48:14You're not sure if the girl ran away.

00:48:15Don't be judgmental with a guy.

00:48:18You're not sure she's another child.

00:48:19You're not sure she's trafficked out of the country.

00:48:21And by the way, Trinidad and Tobago must know that human trafficking is real.

00:48:26It's not some pie in the sky fantasy Hollywood thing you're dealing with.

00:48:30Human trafficking is real.

00:48:31And that is why parents, you have to know where your child is at a particular point

00:48:35in time.

00:48:36When the school ends at three and your child coming home at seven, what is happening between

00:48:40three and seven?

00:48:42I know a guy who, a senior guy who mashed up a form four student, mashed her up, sexually

00:48:48abused her.

00:48:49And that child was going so well academically from an impoverished community, that child

00:48:56has lost it.

00:48:57We are trying to rebuild the vision and the dream in that child.

00:49:00I want to get back to the theme, parenting in the Caribbean, a faith based response.

00:49:08And we are speaking about also the responsibility of faith based organizations when it comes

00:49:18to speaking on a number of issues in Trinidad and Tobago and in society.

00:49:24But do you feel, Pastor, that more and more of these faith based organizations, they need

00:49:30to step up their efforts, they need to speak a lot more on issues and the social ills that

00:49:38face us in society?

00:49:39Well, let me tell you something.

00:49:42A number of our, a number of churches, you know, and I say churches, I speak broadly,

00:49:47whether it's temple or mosque or what have you, Christian, non-Christian religions.

00:49:52We have to be careful we don't become endangered.

00:49:55We are endangered.

00:49:56You see, when I was a child, there were certain factors.

00:49:58For example, one day met, when I was in school, years ago, all right, ever since Adam was

00:50:04a child, you know, I was involved with a little gang story between Belmont Methodist and St.

00:50:10Margaret.

00:50:11But they pull a knife.

00:50:12Now the kids pulling guns, now the kids vaping.

00:50:15We have a lot more to do.

00:50:16I am shocked that more religious, you know, entities are not speaking to the issue of

00:50:22vaping in schools, even in religious schools, vaping, the use of drugs.

00:50:28How it is, Marlon, how it is, so help me God, that we have young people in Form 3 and in

00:50:35Form 4 who are part of adult gangs, they're being mentored, and in schools, they're leading

00:50:41the gangs.

00:50:42So they are the leaders in the school and associates in the community.

00:50:45Now in heaven's name, that kind of negative mentoring could be taking place, and we keep

00:50:50quiet.

00:50:51We have to call it out.

00:50:53We say, call sin by its right name, and we have to be fearless.

00:50:56Let me tell you something.

00:50:57I think fear has overcome the society and overcome some of our religious institutions

00:51:03also.

00:51:04Fear, and we have schools, you know, one guy complained to me, you know, from a religious

00:51:08prestige school.

00:51:09He said, Pastor, I want to tell you something.

00:51:11We have guys there who are smoking the ganja in the school, in the washroom, and they are

00:51:17doing that.

00:51:18Vaping like that, I have heard of vaping from a talk show artist, vaping in primary schools,

00:51:23and we have to call out that, all right?

00:51:25It's not an attack on the government or the opposition, but I want to tell the government

00:51:29and the opposition that we have to be role models.

00:51:33Young people are looking for role models.

00:51:35They're looking for heroes, and they see right through us, and I'm appealing to Trinidad

00:51:40and Tobago, let us love the young people unconditionally.

00:51:43Let us look at the challenges they have, the social media.

00:51:47One parent, one grandparent called me, he said, Pastor, the parents give up.

00:51:50They give up.

00:51:51All right?

00:51:52So I am now pleased.

00:51:53I have to get up at three o'clock and go in my granddaughter's room.

00:51:56She's there and bailing in her schoolwork, so that the acceptance of responsibility that

00:52:03God has given us, and I want to say before we close off, I want to say this.

00:52:08Folks, all right, I'm talking to religious institutions now, and church leaders, and

00:52:13those of us who have values.

00:52:15We have to make a greater effort in this plural society, but I want to say what Mahatma Gandhi

00:52:22said.

00:52:23He said, you don't kill your enemies, you kill your desire to kill.

00:52:25Therefore, I must be willing to die for a Hindu.

00:52:28You know, I was in an area, dangerous, dangerous area, Dr. Marlon.

00:52:33I was there.

00:52:35When I was there, I saw a guy going to rape a Hindu girl.

00:52:38I discovered who she was after.

00:52:40All right?

00:52:41I alone, God and the angels and myself alone, with my broken down Cressida car.

00:52:45I call it a Cressoda.

00:52:46It was in the past tense, not Cressida.

00:52:49You know what happened, Marlon?

00:52:50I repulsed that bugger.

00:52:51I wasn't going to kill him.

00:52:52I was going to break his foot.

00:52:53I was sure I have mercy, and I showed him my sword and my well piece, because he's going

00:52:57to rape the girl.

00:52:58He's pulling the girl in the bush.

00:52:59I said, that ain't happening.

00:53:00And you know, recently, a young pastor was in the same situation, and he posted on Facebook,

00:53:06I say, hallelujah, mental guy.

00:53:07He said, you went for that guy.

00:53:08You know what I mean?

00:53:09Young boy, young pastor, you know, in his late 20s, have mercy.

00:53:10And I am saying, we must have the courage.

00:53:11We must never, the criminals have gotten us to believe that we can't win the battle against

00:53:12crime.

00:53:13And by God's grace, and by accepting our sense of responsibility, to build genuine communities

00:53:14and loving people who are not related to us.

00:53:15And I am saying, we must have the courage.

00:53:16We must never, the criminals have gotten us to believe that we can't win the battle against

00:53:17crime.

00:53:18And by God's grace, and by accepting our sense of responsibility, to build genuine communities

00:53:19and loving people who are not related to us.

00:53:20And I am saying, we must never, the criminals have gotten us to believe that we can't win

00:53:21the battle against crime.

00:53:22And by God's grace, and by accepting our sense of responsibility, to build genuine communities

00:53:28and loving people who are not related to us, who are not in our church, who don't vote

00:53:33like us, we can win the battle.

00:53:35Yeah.

00:53:36You see, when Pastor Dutton is here, how do I follow up on that energy?

00:53:39Yeah.

00:53:40But again, the webinar is at five o'clock this afternoon, and it goes until what time

00:53:46you said?

00:53:47Seven o'clock.

00:53:48Seven o'clock.

00:53:49Yes, parenting in the Caribbean.

00:53:51All right.

00:53:52A paid-based response.

00:53:53Yeah.

00:53:54Yeah.

00:53:55Pastor, thank you for the energy this morning.

00:53:56You know, Pastor was in full flight.

00:53:57He's preaching this morning.

00:53:58Thank you, as always, for coming on so early.

00:53:59God bless you.

00:54:00God bless.

00:54:01All right.

00:54:02We are going to a very short break.

00:54:03We're coming back, everybody.

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00:56:56Good morning, I am Ansel Gibbs with a news update.

00:57:06Investigations are continuing after a nurse was shot and killed near the Princestown District

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00:57:12It happened on Wednesday afternoon.

00:57:15Relatives say Sadna Gangu was in a parked BMW when a Nissan Tida pulled up and a gunman

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00:57:26Relatives say her life was recently threatened.

00:57:30There's new interest in the oil refinery in Pointer Pier.

00:57:34That's according to the Prime Minister.

00:57:36I can tell you, at this point in time, after how many years of trying and trying and trying,

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00:57:46I don't know what the expression is, because we have not yet looked at the expression.

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01:03:38Alright everybody, we're keeping up the energy this morning, yeah?

01:03:42Alright, so we're talking now, Island Girl Talk.

01:03:46And we do have two representatives here.

01:03:48Crystal Kane, the creator and producer, and we also have Ruby Parrish.

01:03:53Ladies, thank you very much for coming this morning.

01:03:55Thank you.

01:03:56Thank you so much for having us.

01:03:57Alright, so let's get right into it ladies.

01:03:59Island Girl Talk.

01:04:02Crystal, tell us about it.

01:04:06Well Marlon, Island Girl Talk is an online radio show geared toward women, Caribbean women in particular.

01:04:13But basically any woman that wants to party can watch, right?

01:04:17At the time when it was created, I realized that there was a space where we can have discussions for women, by women.

01:04:25This was about back in 2020, at the start of the pandemic.

01:04:32You know, you remember how it was.

01:04:34Yeah.

01:04:35We were all, I don't know, in chaos.

01:04:37We didn't know what to do.

01:04:38I, professionally as an artist, was back home, not working, not traveling.

01:04:43And how it started was, I was invited to be a co-host on a particular radio station.

01:04:50But then the restrictions increased and Mr. Rowley, you know, put the lockdown in.

01:04:56You couldn't be in a room with more than one person, etc.

01:04:59So that went through, you know.

01:05:02And it stayed with me.

01:05:05That seed was planted.

01:05:06And I was like, okay, what am I going to do now?

01:05:08You know what I mean?

01:05:09A friend of mine who was also a performer, who traveled for work, we were talking every night, every night, every night.

01:05:17Just, you know, because we have nothing else to do.

01:05:19And then one day, one night, I was like, we could have our own talk show.

01:05:23You know, and she was like, what?

01:05:24What are you talking about?

01:05:25And I explained to her and I said, listen, let's do this.

01:05:29We have the time.

01:05:30There's nothing to do.

01:05:31Let's start this.

01:05:32And won't you say that there's a space for women right now where we can have these same conversations that we're having?

01:05:38And I said, I'll call you back.

01:05:40I stayed up all night, Marlon, and basically scripted Island Girl Talk as you know it today.

01:05:45So it's an interactive talk show where we have the show.

01:05:50People can tune in.

01:05:51It's a live stream and they participate with us in real time, commenting, giving their input, etc.

01:05:59And we chat with them while we have discourse with each other.

01:06:03It's really entertaining.

01:06:04It's light and trendy, but we still give the hard hitting topics.

01:06:09That's an inside joke.

01:06:11But we still discuss the heavy stuff, but we put a light spin on it because, as you know, there's a lot of stuff going on in Trinidad right now that could be deemed a bit low vibrational.

01:06:22And we don't shy away from these things.

01:06:25But when we do address it, we try to keep everyone's spirits up.

01:06:29So it's everyone who has encountered the show so far has really fallen in love with it.

01:06:34It resonates quite a lot, even with the men as well.

01:06:38It's every Wednesday at 6 p.m. to 8 p.m.

01:06:42Sometimes we go a little over or a lot.

01:06:45And the last Wednesday of every month, we have a small space for the men, a segment that we call Guys Perspective.

01:06:53And we discuss topics that relate to men as well.

01:06:55We have quite the meal following as well.

01:06:58It's just a fantastic show.

01:07:00Ruby, what the experience has been for you thus far?

01:07:03Well, I've joined in season three, as Crystal rightfully mentioned.

01:07:08For one, it is very challenging to hold a space with women where you don't feel competitive.

01:07:15In the sense of usually there's one woman trying to one-up the other.

01:07:19And you feel that tension in the energy.

01:07:21This does not exist on a set of Island Girl Talk.

01:07:23And I think what's beautiful about that is that everybody's opinion is respected, supported, encouraged.

01:07:30And even if there are differing opinions, it's never a feeling of, I'm putting down yours to celebrate mine.

01:07:37It's, I hear you and I respect what you're saying.

01:07:40Perhaps I have a different perspective and I took on the topic like this.

01:07:44I just want to piggyback on something Crystal had said about the way that we address heavier topics.

01:07:50I think the structure of the show is really brilliant.

01:07:52In a sense that we do, we recap on the week, which is lovely.

01:07:57Then we go into our topic of the day, which is the heavy topic, as she mentioned.

01:08:01But then there's a balance of the topic of the day being a heavy topic.

01:08:06And then lighter segments that happen afterward.

01:08:08That being sip and spill, let's talk trends, our spotlights.

01:08:12So whomever is our guest speaker or our co-host for that day being brought in and listening to them tell their stories.

01:08:19And it's always really inspiring and really encouraging.

01:08:22And I think also sharing a panel with other artists, which is unique for me.

01:08:26Normally it's people from different backgrounds whereby I'm an artist myself.

01:08:31I'm a full-time actor.

01:08:32She's a singer.

01:08:33She's a producer.

01:08:34She's a voice actor.

01:08:36And the other two panelists, Talia and Samara Lalo, they're also artists in their own right.

01:08:41And hearing a woman's perspective coming from a panel of artists just brings a different experience than what I've had before.

01:08:49So I've been really enjoying it.

01:08:51Yeah.

01:08:52And I think Ruby has answered my next question because it's not the first time that we have seen or heard of a program such as this involving women.

01:09:01And I was going to ask you what is different.

01:09:03But as I said, I think that Ruby has told us what is different about it.

01:09:08But what I want to say is that I think that it is sad that in 2024 women still feel that they do not have a safe space.

01:09:19And I think that is disappointing.

01:09:21It is.

01:09:22And there is a need for a forum such as yours to give them that safe space.

01:09:28Absolutely.

01:09:29It's clear just based by the reception that we've gotten and the feedback that we've gotten.

01:09:35It's clear that that is the reality, as sad as it is.

01:09:40What we aim to accomplish with Island Girl Talk is all the conversations that we would have in the privacy of our homes or on a girl's line or whatever.

01:09:49That is what we're trying to bring to the show.

01:09:52So it's not necessarily a show where, like Ruby said, we're debating or could come across as bickering.

01:10:00Because you know once people see women in a room, they think that we can't coexist peacefully.

01:10:05That's not the case.

01:10:06We aim to make that safe space feel like if those who are watching on are there with their girlfriends.

01:10:13And we're just chatting about any and everything under the sun that concerns us.

01:10:17Yeah.

01:10:18What has the response been thus far?

01:10:20Very positive.

01:10:21I mean we have our loyal fans who come out every week and they make sure to tell us, I'm here and I'm ready.

01:10:30But it's been really, really positive.

01:10:31And I think not just with viewers but with guest speakers themselves who may not have necessarily seen perhaps Season 1 or Season 2 but may have joined us for Season 3.

01:10:41And to hear them be like, this was a really beautiful experience.

01:10:46I think for me that's the most rewarding part.

01:10:48It's more than just the views and the likes and the shares.

01:10:52For me it's the journey and the journey of being able to have our guests from the beginning of the show with us.

01:10:58Have them walk through their journeys and live vicariously through their stories.

01:11:02And what does that inspire in us and what does that inspire in our viewers is what pushes the show to the next level every week that we continue on.

01:11:11Absolutely.

01:11:12And I can't tell you how many letters, when I say letters or messages online etc.

01:11:18And WhatsApp messages from people saying, Crystal I don't think you understand how you guys, the good that you guys are doing with this show.

01:11:27And thank you for this topic or thank you for that, for bringing this to the fore.

01:11:31And then people tell you their life story and what they're going through.

01:11:34And you end up meeting and making new friends just off of the show.

01:11:38People reaching out through our social media.

01:11:40So it's quite rewarding.

01:11:42And you all are prepared to deal with any issue that a caller may put on the table?

01:11:48That's the point of having people live.

01:11:51We don't know what to expect.

01:11:53We can have a heckler.

01:11:54We can have someone who would throw stuff at us.

01:11:57We are prepared to address it.

01:11:59As long as it's an issue that people want to talk about, we will address it.

01:12:03Just to add to what Crystal is saying.

01:12:05What I think is again, probably sound like I'm reiterating a point I made earlier.

01:12:10But the balance of respect is what I genuinely appreciate about the show.

01:12:14Even if we have a heckler calling, even if we have a comment that's not necessarily the most respectful.

01:12:19The way that we will handle it, the way that we will respond to you is with the same grace and respect that we expect for ourselves.

01:12:25And I think being in a space where there's just an opportunity for you to feel heard.

01:12:32And for you to have a respectful rebuttal is a safe space for anyone.

01:12:36But ladies, you all are young ladies.

01:12:39You all are young women.

01:12:41Some people may say, well, what experience do they have?

01:12:44You'd be surprised.

01:12:45They know how to live.

01:12:46We may look that way.

01:12:48Thank you.

01:12:49Thank you for the compliment.

01:12:51That's the first time on live television women would have said, well, we're older than how we look.

01:12:56That's the first time they admit to that.

01:12:59I could own that.

01:13:00I'm not ashamed of my age.

01:13:02But we do have a range of ages on the panel.

01:13:06And we do have a range of ages and the guest speakers that come in as well.

01:13:10And I think hearing the different perspectives per age group is what adds to the show.

01:13:16Because, I mean, I would be the youngest person on the panel.

01:13:19But then I'm learning from all of these other women and the guest speakers who come in and share their own life experiences.

01:13:26And just kind of realizing in your own way the theme of what they would have experienced.

01:13:31Not necessarily the exact experience, of course.

01:13:33But a theme of it is something that is a constant repeat in all of our lives.

01:13:37And it's something that I think most people, whether you are in your 80s, whether you are in your 60s, whether you are 10.

01:13:45Maybe not 10.

01:13:46Maybe 20.

01:13:48You would be able to relate to.

01:13:50And it's maybe just a difference in how you address it or how you approach it.

01:13:56But the theme of the experience is generally the same.

01:14:00Absolutely.

01:14:01Yeah, let's talk a little bit about some of the persons that you invite to the program.

01:14:07Some of your guests.

01:14:08That's it.

01:14:09I was just about to get to that.

01:14:10So when it comes to our guests, no one is off limits.

01:14:14Some people will tend to want to interview the popular people or the well-known people.

01:14:18That's not us.

01:14:19That's not us.

01:14:20Of course, in season one, to get that momentum going and to get interest, we did invite quite a few artists.

01:14:25Like Nyla Blackman, Mikhail Teja, Nigel Rojas, even Michael Phillips.

01:14:30And quite a number of other people who are well-known.

01:14:34But the truth of the matter is Island Girl Talk will interview anyone.

01:14:39As long as you are doing good in society or doing a service in society, we will bring you onto the show to talk about it.

01:14:47It's gotten to the point now that people are contacting us now to be on the show.

01:14:52And we have to now, you know, slot in people.

01:14:55And it's a good thing.

01:14:57It's a good problem to have.

01:14:59But at the end of the day, we want to highlight women, whether known or up and coming.

01:15:05And the good that they're doing.

01:15:07Any product or services that they're offering to the communities.

01:15:11They are free to come on the show as long as we have the space for them.

01:15:15Let's talk about it.

01:15:16And you say the program, it's only on Wednesdays?

01:15:19Every Wednesday, 6 to 8 p.m.

01:15:22But we often go over.

01:15:24But judging how well the program has been going and the response, you feel that is something that you can extend?

01:15:31Oh, absolutely.

01:15:32Speaking of extending.

01:15:33Ruby wants to do it.

01:15:34I'm ready.

01:15:35Speaking of extending.

01:15:37Ruby, you want to do the honors?

01:15:38So guys, big announcement, drumroll.

01:15:42Island Girl Talk Season 1 is officially on Tempo on Monday and Wednesdays from 6 to 8 p.m.

01:15:50Yes.

01:15:51On Tempo, Monday and Wednesdays.

01:15:53So whether it's Flo, Digicel, whether you're using a foreign network.

01:15:57Amplia.

01:15:58Amplia, Tempo, Monday and Wednesday from 8 p.m.

01:16:03And on Wednesdays on OUR Radio and on YouTube, you can watch Island Girl Season 3 live from 6 to 8 and then run across the Tempo from 8.

01:16:14Yeah.

01:16:15So we were, of course, picked up by Tempo because they loved what they were seeing.

01:16:18They loved the content.

01:16:19And of course, because we're currently filming, we said, listen, run Season 1 as reruns.

01:16:24Let people see how far we've come.

01:16:26Let them catch up with all the topics that we've done.

01:16:29And they could always, like Ruby said, watch us live later on.

01:16:32Ruby, anything else you'd like to add?

01:16:34Just that this is, yes, it's an Island Girl Talk.

01:16:37And yes, we do address things in Trinidad and Tobago.

01:16:40But I think what is beautiful about it is that we take a lot of things, a lot of look at things in a Caribbean context.

01:16:46And it's beautiful to see that regardless of your class, your ethnic background, your age, how many things are relatable just through Caribbean culture and Caribbean upbringing.

01:16:57And I think that's something that translates across the islands.

01:17:00Which, again, is why I believe that being viewed or being shown on Tempo is such a beautiful opportunity for other islands to be able to connect with Trinidad and Tobago in a different space and see that we really are all one.

01:17:12Yeah. Crystal?

01:17:13Absolutely.

01:17:14I just have to echo what Ruby said.

01:17:17I mean, the point of the matter is to be seen by everyone in the Caribbean diaspora and connect and resonate with everyone.

01:17:26And I think that's the point of it, especially women.

01:17:28Men, we love you all too, but it's really a woman's talk show.

01:17:32And you get a little space, men.

01:17:35You do get a little space.

01:17:37And every other platform, you get all the space.

01:17:40But it's very impactful.

01:17:41Like yesterday, we had Chromatix on the show.

01:17:44Mind you, Chromatix is the CEO of the platform that we're on, which is OurRadio.fm.

01:17:50It's an online radio platform that caters to all things local.

01:17:54Local music, regional music as well.

01:17:57There's other programs on the show, like True Talk, No Light, ETNL, and The Grind.

01:18:02There's a new program that came on on a Friday, which is just strictly music, local music.

01:18:07It's really fantastic, a fantastic platform.

01:18:10And yeah, the men love the show.

01:18:13They're really more vocal on the show, I would say, in terms of giving their opinions.

01:18:18And again, we're just happy to see the progress, and we can't wait to see where it goes from there.

01:18:23All right.

01:18:24Again, Crystal, how can people tune in?

01:18:26Absolutely.

01:18:27You can find us at islandsgirltalktt on Instagram.

01:18:32That's where most of our content is shown.

01:18:35And if you want to contact us to get a spot on the show or have us do endorsements or whatever it is,

01:18:41because we also have done a lot of live events for Carnival last year.

01:18:45We did Kess.

01:18:46We did I Am Woman with Patrice Roberts.

01:18:49We did Art Form.

01:18:50We did Army Fats.

01:18:52We did Tobago Jazz.

01:18:54And we did SASS, which is a new event that just happened two years ago.

01:18:59We're doing it on Independence Night this year at Queen's Hall Garden.

01:19:04So, yeah.

01:19:05Ladies, you all have been busy.

01:19:07Very busy.

01:19:08Building, building.

01:19:09Very busy.

01:19:10Yeah, but it was a pleasure speaking with you all this morning.

01:19:14Thank you very much for coming, and thank you for the contribution that you continue to make to our women in Trinidad and Tobago

01:19:20because we do need it.

01:19:22Thank you so much.

01:19:23Bye for now, ladies, and all the best in your future endeavors.

01:19:25Thank you.

01:19:26All right, so we are going to a very quick break.

01:19:27We're coming back, everybody.

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01:21:30Tracking now.

01:21:40A message from the Counter-Trafficking Unit of the Ministry of National Security.

01:21:47Morning.

01:21:48Morning.

01:21:49Listen now.

01:21:50I just noticed something out.

01:21:52There are new people at the bureau today.

01:21:54Where's that?

01:21:55Girl, the man is passing up and down in front of here with a set of women.

01:22:00I really noticed some women living there, you know.

01:22:02And they can't even say as much as good morning.

01:22:04Well, listen now.

01:22:05I wonder if this human trafficking you think is that?

01:22:09So, how can you spot and identify perpetrators and victims of trafficking?

01:22:14Many victims are found living and working together in the same place

01:22:18and sleep in shared and inappropriate spaces.

01:22:21Victims work excessively long hours.

01:22:23They often sleep in the daytime and work long nights.

01:22:26They are often escorted everywhere they go and may appear to be malnourished.

01:22:31They may show signs of physical abuse, drug and alcohol use

01:22:35and may also appear withdrawn, fearful or intimidated.

01:22:39Victims who are migrants are often not in possession of their identity or immigration documents

01:22:44and have irregular immigration status.

01:22:46Perpetrators can be male or female and may appear to be managing or controlling the victims

01:22:52and they may even at times appear to be the victim's best friend, boyfriend or employer.

01:22:59We are the counter-trafficking unit of the Ministry of National Security, Trinidad and Tobago,

01:23:04safeguarding human life.

01:23:09Long time we grew up learning to respect our elders.

01:23:12But what about children?

01:23:14Do we need to give and show respect to children as well?

01:23:18We certainly do and I'll tell you why.

01:23:23Showing respect to your child can help them feel valued and build their self-esteem.

01:23:29Respect is a two-way road.

01:23:31They show respect to you and in turn you give them a chance to speak,

01:23:36listen to their opinions and treat them with kindness and courtesy.

01:23:40Showing respect to children also helps them to succeed later in life.

01:23:46So remember, children deserve respect too.

01:23:50At the end of the day, keep trying your best and share if you found this useful.

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01:23:59The letter of the day is R for Respect.

01:24:03What you can see from this image is a man lying in a pool of blood in his living room.

01:24:09He was shot dead a short while ago as two bandits tried to rob him and his family.

01:24:15What you can't hear is his wife crying inconsolably.

01:24:19What you don't know is that his four-year-old daughter is standing looking at her father,

01:24:25confused, begging him to wake up.

01:24:27Can you imagine what this wife and child are going through and what they will have to go through?

01:24:32They try to process what has happened.

01:24:34How can we begin to help?

01:24:36We can start right here at the Victim and Witness Support Unit.

01:24:40From investigation to counseling,

01:24:42to helping families find justice,

01:24:45to helping families find peace,

01:24:48this unit gives victims and witnesses hope to cope.

01:24:52We are the Victim and Witness Support Unit,

01:24:55bridging the service gap between the victims, witnesses, and the police.

01:25:19All right, so welcome back, everyone.

01:25:21So the National Action Cultural Committee, NACC,

01:25:24will observe 50 years of contribution to the development of art and culture in Trinidad and Tobago

01:25:30with an award ceremony and concert entitled

01:25:33A Night with the Legends on Sunday, 30th of June at Queens Hall.

01:25:38Here to tell us more about the event is Mbao Mohini, serving chairman of the NACC.

01:25:45All right, Mbao Mohini, thank you very much for coming this morning.

01:25:49It's a pleasure, and thanks for giving me this platform this morning.

01:25:53Of course, well, let's speak about your 50 years in existence

01:25:59and how you are going to celebrate this anniversary.

01:26:02Well, 50 years of contribution to the development of the art form,

01:26:08and this concert and award is taken in a special format

01:26:14in the sense that we are celebrating 50 years.

01:26:17We have gone back to the beginning,

01:26:20and we are recognizing those artists who took part

01:26:24in the first series of concerts we had called the Black Traditions in Art

01:26:31because those concerts did a lot in removing some of the shackles

01:26:38that were enslaving our art form.

01:26:42Prior to the NACC and those concerts,

01:26:47Calypso was restricted to two months, January and February, the carnival period.

01:26:54As a matter of fact, on Independence Night,

01:26:57when someone requested because he said,

01:27:00look, today is our Independence, I was the chief servant,

01:27:03and let us hear some local music, let us support our own culture.

01:27:08And when the DJ put it on, the audience said,

01:27:11this is not carnival, and they boiled him down, he had to take it off.

01:27:15So I'm showing you how bad it was back in those days.

01:27:18And the NACC, through the Black Traditions in Art,

01:27:22took the art form, took the Calypso right through the air.

01:27:28As time went on, it became more and more acceptable.

01:27:32And today, you can hear Calypso's play anytime.

01:27:36But at that time, it was restricted.

01:27:38It was a disrespect to our local art form,

01:27:42because as far as I know, it's the only art form in the world

01:27:46that was limited to two months.

01:27:49What we are doing as well is those Calypsonians

01:27:53who were part of that experience, the Black Traditions,

01:27:57part of that journey of opening up the art form,

01:28:00are also going to be honored at our event on Sunday.

01:28:05That is Sunday, 30th, Queens Hall, 4.30 p.m.

01:28:11So if I could just give some of those, the awardees,

01:28:15you have to be like all around.

01:28:18The Hendrickson Sisters, Anthony M.L. Philip,

01:28:23Brother Valentino, Creole, Chalk Dust,

01:28:27Len Boguse-Sharpe, because it wasn't Calypsonians alone,

01:28:30Makemba Kunle, storyteller, Ula Tunji,

01:28:34and the NACC drummers, Mongal Patasa,

01:28:39Othniel Bacchus, Pearl N2 Springer, Short Pants,

01:28:43Stamberg Windy, and Relator.

01:28:46Now, not all of them will be performing,

01:28:50but those are the list of awardees.

01:28:54Unfortunate to see that Brother Carlos Liverpool,

01:28:58Brother Chalk Dust suffered a stroke,

01:29:01but he would still accept the award.

01:29:03He wouldn't be able to perform.

01:29:05And there were two others who would be there

01:29:07accepting awards, but because of one is not the other,

01:29:10they would not be able to perform.

01:29:13The actual artists who will be performing

01:29:16would include Three Canal, Johnny King, Contender,

01:29:20Super Blue, Brother Valentino, Organizer,

01:29:24Bally, Black Prince, Len Boguse-Sharpe,

01:29:28the Hendrickson Sisters, Sherlyn and Lady Wonder,

01:29:32King Luther, the Vicar School of Dance,

01:29:36as well as Anne-Marie Parks Kojo Twiggy,

01:29:40who incidentally is also celebrating

01:29:44her 50th year in Calypso.

01:29:46So she's 50 years in Calypso.

01:29:48We are 50 years in promoting the art form,

01:29:51as well as we have the NGC TNT Sweet Tasa Group.

01:29:58So it's going to be a fantastic night of Calypso celebration.

01:30:05The awardees will be recognized for their contribution,

01:30:09as well as lovely entertainment and reflection.

01:30:15Where can people get tickets?

01:30:17Tickets are available at the box office,

01:30:19Queens Hall, at all top offices across the nation,

01:30:23and NACC Building 42, Sydney Port of Spain.

01:30:28All proceeds go to the NACC's Building and Development Fund,

01:30:33so that because we are making some adjustments,

01:30:35we are looking to make some developments

01:30:37in preparation for the next 50 years.

01:30:40Yeah, but you know, every time you come here, Mr. Mohaney,

01:30:44it is an education for me,

01:30:47when you come with your representatives too,

01:30:50because I think that, and I don't want to say in the main,

01:30:54but sometimes I think that the contribution of your organization,

01:31:01I don't know that it is well documented,

01:31:04and I don't know that the majority of us in Trinidad and Tobago know.

01:31:10Is there, or can I say, are there efforts afoot at all by your organization

01:31:18to document the contributions that you all would have made

01:31:23for so long in Trinidad and Tobago,

01:31:25and for people to learn from the experiences?

01:31:31The thing about it is that, yes, we do make our efforts to document.

01:31:35As a matter of fact, we did a booklet already,

01:31:38but that was some time back.

01:31:40So since then, a lot has happened,

01:31:43and maybe we need to do another booklet.

01:31:46As you know, because I gave you a copy of the documentation

01:31:49we did on the Young Kings competition,

01:31:52because you heard the name Luther, King Luther performing.

01:31:55He was the winner of the first Young Kings competition in 1985.

01:32:01Twiggy, whom I just mentioned,

01:32:03was the winner of the first National Calypso Queen

01:32:07under the auspices of NACC and NWAC in 1985.

01:32:13So a magazine was done,

01:32:20giving the history of the Young Kings, 1985 to 2016.

01:32:25So we do our documentation, but there's a need for a lot more,

01:32:29and there's a need to communicate the information.

01:32:34Maybe in your refurbishment works, Mr. Moheny,

01:32:38you may have to consider a library or a museum or something of the sort.

01:32:45You see, there are so many different domains,

01:32:48and that was something that was placed on the agenda,

01:32:53but it would have been the McCandle Dagger Museum.

01:32:58So it's on the agenda.

01:33:00There are a number of things, but so much to be done.

01:33:03And you need the funds, right?

01:33:05We need the funds for all of this, Mr. Moheny.

01:33:08So again, the event is an evening with the Legends of Benefit concert

01:33:13featuring veterans of Calypso and the arts,

01:33:16and it's on Sunday, 30th June, 2024.

01:33:19It begins at 4.30 p.m. at Queens Hall in St. Anne's.

01:33:24Of course, you have a contribution of $300

01:33:27and TTARP members a $50 discount.

01:33:32Anything else you'd like to share with us, Mr. Moheny?

01:33:34I should mention that in addition to the actual live audience,

01:33:41it would also be carried pay-per-view,

01:33:44and the link is WACK.TV.

01:33:51Okay?

01:33:52So you can log on to WACK.TV and pay-per-view, $20 US.

01:33:57All right.

01:33:58We also have some contact numbers on the document, Mr. Moheny.

01:34:03Yes.

01:34:04For full information, 270-4111.

01:34:08That is 270-4111 or 760-7133.

01:34:17760-7133.

01:34:19Yeah.

01:34:20And proceed to go towards the NACC's Building and Development Fund.

01:34:25All right?

01:34:26So we do have that information up for you there, Mr. Moheny.

01:34:30All right?

01:34:31Okay, Ms. Moheny, it's always a pleasure speaking with you.

01:34:33Thank you very much for coming this morning.

01:34:34It's a pleasure being here.

01:34:35Yeah?

01:34:36Until next time.

01:34:37Thanks a lot.

01:34:38Okay?

01:34:39So we are going to a very short break, everybody.

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01:36:35Online here with this weirdo named Larry.

01:36:38I'm getting rid of him now.

01:36:51Let's take a selfie.

01:36:55It's looking good, boy.

01:36:56I'm putting it online.

01:37:00Hey, I thought you said you went to the beach with your parents.

01:37:04Who's you?

01:37:06It's me, Larry, from online.

01:37:30All right, so welcome back, everyone.

01:37:32We are taking your calls now.

01:37:33You're calling us on 623-1711.

01:37:35The extension, it's 1995.

01:37:37But first, we have this flyer for you.

01:37:39Remember, earlier today, Pastor Daughton was speaking about an event that comes up this evening.

01:37:44Yeah, so we do have this for you.

01:37:46Parenting in the Caribbean, a faith-based organization.

01:37:50It's a non-profit organization.

01:37:52It's a non-profit organization.

01:37:54Yeah, so we do have this for you.

01:37:56Parenting in the Caribbean, a faith-based response.

01:37:59All right, so all of the contact information, it's there.

01:38:03Please make a note of it.

01:38:06All right, so we're moving on to your calls now.

01:38:08Again, you're calling us on 623-1711.

01:38:11The extension, it's 1995.

01:38:13So you can please call us now.

01:38:15So JSC, discipline dishonest doctors.

01:38:20Doctors in the public health care system should be disciplined for referring patients to their private practices.

01:38:27All right, this was the general consensus of the JSC on social services and public administration.

01:38:34Yeah, so it's something that it's not the first time we have heard of doctors who are involved in strange behavior, if I can put it lightly.

01:38:45Yeah, so there is this call to discipline these doctors now.

01:38:49All right, so you're calling us on 623-1711.

01:38:52Point 14 is on the line.

01:38:54Point 14, good morning.

01:38:56Yeah, good morning, sir.

01:38:58Morning, yes.

01:38:59Yes, I'm on air?

01:39:02Yes, you're live, sir.

01:39:03Go ahead.

01:39:04Okay, right.

01:39:05I'm calling again.

01:39:07I know I'm very disappointed in the role of the media, including yours.

01:39:13In that, there's a narrative carried when the guy from Akuta, Montana, voted against.

01:39:22Well, voted against.

01:39:24Again, those are the words that you will put.

01:39:26Voted disconcerned.

01:39:28Right, and the media took the divisive role.

01:39:34When the media got a chance to say, let us go a different way.

01:39:38That people do not be held to some point of view that is not beneficial to the country.

01:39:44But that they vote their conscience.

01:39:47No, instead of that, you all go over the bed that he did not follow party line.

01:39:51And it's the same thing you all talk about.

01:39:53So you all, I mean, you all air the back one.

01:39:55Yeah, but I think that we have given all the sides of the conversation.

01:39:59You don't think so?

01:40:00Pardon me?

01:40:01We have given all the sides.

01:40:03No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:40:06No, not at all.

01:40:08Not at all.

01:40:09You carry the whole point of view of the sentiment and so on.

01:40:13And he did something wrong.

01:40:15Everybody knows that when the man did probably the best thing.

01:40:19But I don't know that we have given the impression.

01:40:22And I'm speaking of the media in general.

01:40:25I don't know that we have given the impression that the gentleman did anything wrong or anything right.

01:40:31All I think that we did was report on the matter.

01:40:34Yes, it's how you all reported it.

01:40:36Yes, you reported on the matter, but how you all reported on the matter.

01:40:40It lent to the guy being blamed.

01:40:43You know, he did not listen to the whip on it.

01:40:45And so nobody, the media did not take the fact that this man voted his conscience.

01:40:49There's a change.

01:40:50This could be a change for our politics in the country.

01:40:52All right.

01:40:53OK, so how did you know?

01:40:55How did you know that it was a conscience vote?

01:40:58And it was the media that told you that he said so?

01:41:03Yes, the media told me he said so.

01:41:05Then the media followed it up by saying that, listen, if you want to see now, there's a falling away in the UNC.

01:41:14You know, he go against the party line.

01:41:17And that was the general thing that nobody took the line that this could be a change.

01:41:23Somebody voted their conscience.

01:41:24Let us see if this can happen in the PNM, too, that people don't have to follow something, whether it is good or bad.

01:41:30Because the party laid down.

01:41:32That's what happened in the U.S.

01:41:34You all chopped the balls.

01:41:36Plain, plain, plain, plain matters.

01:41:38You all dropped the ball.

01:41:39Disappointed in you all.

01:41:40Well, I don't know.

01:41:41I don't know that we are to be disappointed at all.

01:41:44I think that we have given all the sides of what happened.

01:41:48We gave you the details of the vote.

01:41:50We have been giving you what Dr. Ratbeer has said.

01:41:52We have given you what the UNC has said.

01:41:54We have given you what the analysts have said.

01:41:57We have even spoken about the history of events such as these in the past.

01:42:03So, we have given all of the sides.

01:42:05But I don't know that we in the media have taken any position, whether Mr. Ratbeer was right or he was wrong or whatever.

01:42:11To me, that is not our responsibility, you know.

01:42:13Yeah, our responsibility is to report and give you all of the sides.

01:42:18And I think that that's what we did.

01:42:20Yeah, but I do hear you.

01:42:22I don't have to agree with you.

01:42:24But I respect what you're saying.

01:42:26All right, so you're calling us on 623-1711.

01:42:28The extension, it's 1995.

01:42:30So, you can please call us now.

01:42:33You know, as I looked at this picture this morning, I was saddened by it.

01:42:38You know, it's not when media houses, when they have to decide on the front page, a picture, a lot of thought goes into that.

01:42:54And, you know, it was, I think, unfortunate, maybe the word that, you know, in life, I don't know that she would have gotten such prominence.

01:43:12And it's sad for Sadhana Gangu, I think, you know.

01:43:19This is not any criticism of the newspaper or anything like that.

01:43:24I'm just saying, you know, it's just sad that someone has to be portrayed in this sort of way, that, you know, she's dead and that's the exposure.

01:43:46Again, there's not much I can say on it.

01:43:50I hope I'm making my argument clear, you know.

01:43:55As I said, it's not a criticism of the newspaper.

01:43:58But, of course, we know she was a part of this.

01:44:03I made it clear?

01:44:05She was a part of the pageant, yeah?

01:44:10So, it's just when you take everything into consideration, it's just a sad state of affairs.

01:44:15And as the report says that she was stalked, so I suspect that the police, they do have that information.

01:44:23All right, let's take another call.

01:44:25Good morning, Karine.

01:44:27Good morning, Marlon.

01:44:29Yes.

01:44:31This question, I don't know if it's a question or what, but considering the doctors who have the private practice and that sort of thing, right?

01:44:41To be honest, I don't know.

01:44:44I mean, these men or women, they study for how many years, you know?

01:44:51And then even if they sign whatever contract to work for the government, they come and they do their part.

01:44:58And if they have a private practice, I mean, everybody has expenses, you know, overhead with children, mortgages, et cetera, et cetera.

01:45:09So, I don't have any query with that.

01:45:12I mean, some of them might be overcharging, we might think.

01:45:16But, you know, I think, you know, it's a matter that could be weighed, not to really prosecute them, you know.

01:45:27That's my take on it.

01:45:28All right.

01:45:29Thank you very much for calling us on 623-1711.

01:45:31The extension is 1995.

01:45:33PM slams investment naysayers, defends seeking Indian business ties.

01:45:39The same people who criticize the government for not attracting foreign investment are the very people who are seeking to dissuade foreigners from investing in Trinidad and Tobago.

01:45:47That's according to Prime Minister Dr. Keith Rowley.

01:45:49The Prime Minister said he would press ahead with the government's program to woo investors from countries where this country has not traditionally had strong business ties, such as India.

01:46:00All right.

01:46:01You're calling us on 623-1711.

01:46:03The extension, it's 1995.

01:46:05St. Mary's, good morning.

01:46:07Good morning, Mr. Maran.

01:46:09Yes.

01:46:10How are you, sir?

01:46:11I'm good.

01:46:13I just wanted to let you know that I have a problem with street lights in my street.

01:46:19Street lights fell off the pole on pole number 81 and 84 on February 2021.

01:46:26And I reported it to T&T.

01:46:28And up to this day, I haven't seen no street lights placed on the poles.

01:46:32What's the address?

01:46:33Number 155 Saunders Street, St. Mary's Village, Moruga.

01:46:37Yes, no.

01:46:38155 Saunders Street.

01:46:40St. Mary's Village, Moruga.

01:46:42St. Mary's Village, Moruga.

01:46:44Yes.

01:46:45All right.

01:46:46We'll pass it on.

01:46:47You say since 2021?

01:46:49Yes.

01:46:50The boat lights fell off the poles and I made numerous reports.

01:46:54And up to this day, up to now, no improvement.

01:46:57No one has ever called me or said anything.

01:47:01All right.

01:47:02We are going to take your number and take the information.

01:47:05And we'll try to pass it on for you.

01:47:072021.

01:47:09Again, what are your counselors doing?

01:47:12What are the representatives for the area doing?

01:47:15Yeah.

01:47:16What are T&T doing?

01:47:17Can you understand?

01:47:182021.

01:47:20They have not had lighting 155 Saunders Street, St. Mary's Village,

01:47:26in Moruga.

01:47:27Yeah.

01:47:28You're calling us on 623-1711.

01:47:30The extension, it's 1995.

01:47:32I could understand maybe two weeks, but not since 2021.

01:47:37Yeah.

01:47:38It's since COVID we're talking about, you know, right?

01:47:41Okay.

01:47:42So we're moving on.

01:47:45We do have another story here.

01:47:46Barrickport counselor, no water for 21 days.

01:47:49Barrickport West counselor, Nicholas Kanhai says at least 11 communities

01:47:53within the district have not had pipe on water for the past 21 days with

01:47:58residents now growing desperate for assistance.

01:48:02So another situation where the WASM must look at Davide.

01:48:07Good morning.

01:48:08Good morning.

01:48:09Yes, sir.

01:48:11I'm looking at some development internationally with respect to the

01:48:15USDA and Saudi Arabia trading with other countries,

01:48:19not using the petrodollars.

01:48:21And also looking at the peninsula and all these other countries.

01:48:24No, you didn't want to use different currencies.

01:48:27What effect will it have on Trinidad and Tobago seeing that everybody

01:48:31has any value of the dollar is dropping.

01:48:33It will be dropping.

01:48:35I want to know what effect will it have on Trinidad and Tobago.

01:48:40All right.

01:48:41Thank you very much, sir.

01:48:42You're calling us on 623-1711.

01:48:44The extension it's 1995.

01:48:45We have one more call or maybe two.

01:48:48All right.

01:48:49Let's take a call.

01:48:50Good morning, caller.

01:48:52All right.

01:48:53We're still waiting on that on that call.

01:48:54All right.

01:48:55So you're calling us on 623-1711.

01:48:57The extension it's 1995.

01:48:59So intimate partner violence is an issue that is becoming more and more

01:49:02pervasive in Trinidad and Tobago.

01:49:04And that's according to Justice Lisa Ram Sumair Hinds.

01:49:07And she said that on Tuesday.

01:49:09Why all the cars?

01:49:10Let's see people and leave people alone.

01:49:12Yeah.

01:49:13If somebody tell you no, no is no.

01:49:15No don't mean yes.

01:49:16Kumoto, good morning.

01:49:18Good morning, Mr. Mallon.

01:49:20Good morning.

01:49:21Morning.

01:49:22I just heard that somebody don't have water for 21 days.

01:49:26Yes.

01:49:28Up in our area, it's months you don't get water.

01:49:31The last time we get water, as I can remember, is the 19th of May.

01:49:35So, I don't know.

01:49:37If we're in there, we're in trouble.

01:49:40But have you tried to call the utility?

01:49:42I know that the last time that they were here, they said that they have

01:49:45set up a number of lines at WASA to take your calls and to address

01:49:49your concerns.

01:49:51Have you all tried to maybe go down or call them?

01:49:53The caller is gone.

01:49:55I tried calling them.

01:49:57When you call, you have a number, number 49 or 59.

01:50:00Your number is so-and-so and so-and-so.

01:50:07This is where in Kumoto?

01:50:12This is in Corial, Kumoto.

01:50:15Corial, Kumoto.

01:50:18All right.

01:50:19Caller, what we will do, we will pass on the information for you.

01:50:23And hopefully you get some level of assistance very, very soon.

01:50:26All right?

01:50:27Because I know the authorities, the people from WASA,

01:50:29they usually view our program.

01:50:31All right?

01:50:32So, we are going to have a very short break, everybody.

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01:53:16Good Morning, I am Ansoul Gibbs with a news update.

01:53:20Investigations are continuing after a niece was shot and killed near the Princestown District

01:53:25Health's facility.

01:53:28It happened on Wednesday afternoon.

01:53:33Investigations are continuing after a niece was shot and killed near the Princestown District

01:53:38Health Facility.

01:53:40It happened on Wednesday afternoon.

01:53:42Reports say Sadna Gangu was in a parked BMW when a Nissan Tida pulled up and a gunman

01:53:48got out and shot Gangu in the head.

01:53:51She died at the scene.

01:53:53Relatives say her life was recently threatened.

01:53:57There's new interest in the oil refinery in Pointer Pier.

01:54:01That's according to the Prime Minister.

01:54:03I can tell you, at this point in time, after how many years of trying and trying and trying,

01:54:09we do have some possible expression of interest.

01:54:13I don't know what the expression is because we have not yet looked at the expression.

01:54:18What we have are people saying to us, we think we're interested.

01:54:22So for the first time, we have some people who have some worth, who are saying that when

01:54:28we open their proposals, we will know what those proposals are.

01:54:35And in the weather forecasts, today expect mostly hot and hazy conditions, which will

01:54:40be interrupted by a few partly cloudy spells with isolated showers.

01:54:44Tonight should be fair to partly cloudy with isolated showers.

01:54:48There may be gusty winds and street or flash flooding in or near heavy showers.

01:54:54High temperatures are forecast at 33 degrees Celsius in Trinidad and Tobago.

01:54:59Seas will be moderate with waves between one and a half and two meters in open water.

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