00:00It's time we go around the AFC North. Our first stop is in Baltimore. 105.7 The Fans, Bob Haney.
00:06Oh yeah, he talks about the Ravens every single day. And the Ravens, they are, I lost it here.
00:12Damn it, I can't find it. Can somebody help me? What the hell the Ravens are doing?
00:16You know what, let me just go right to the source. They're on Monday Night Football.
00:19They're hosting the Los Angeles Chargers. Hello Bob, good morning.
00:22Is Lamar Jackson going to return at some point this season, like the report said Sunday morning?
00:27Or he was saying that. Well, he told his teammates that he was going to come back from the thumb
00:34injury.
00:35And Jesse Minter, by the way, has yet to confirm that he's even had surgery yet.
00:39But he told the team to stay afloat and he'd be back at some point.
00:43The bye's coming up here in a couple of weeks.
00:45So we'll see how they can maintain things without him.
00:49Jacoby Brissett, as you know, they got him from the Cardinals.
00:53But the news coming out of Baltimore yesterday was they lost their kicker.
00:57Jake Moody was claimed off the practice squad by the Atlanta Falcons
01:01because the Ravens didn't put him up on the 53-man active roster.
01:06So he replaced Tyler Loop, who's on the IR.
01:10And Moody made a 53-yarder, but instead of putting him on the 53,
01:14they just left him on the practice squad.
01:16And according to Brian Wacker from the Baltimore Sun,
01:20Moody preferred to kick indoors.
01:21And what an assurance is that he would be the kicker for the rest of the year,
01:25which I guess the Ravens didn't give him.
01:27Boy, that's a confident kicker, Bob.
01:29I only want to kick indoors.
01:31Well, hey, if you can make demands like that,
01:34then God bless the guy, to be totally honest with you.
01:36But right now we sit on a Wednesday, the 11th,
01:39and they don't have a guy kicking the ball through the upright.
01:42So I'm guessing, and they're back at practice today,
01:45they'll sign somebody.
01:46I mean, maybe they'll get Nick Folk, who got cut by Atlanta.
01:49They have Fort Moody.
01:51I know Mavis is out there.
01:52Daniel Carseland, among others.
01:54But good times.
01:56No quarterback, no kicker.
01:57Let's have some fun.
01:59Yeah, Bob, we've had so few Ravens seasons like this in a long time
02:02where it seems at this stage of the season
02:05that they're just going to play out the string.
02:08Are fans irate about this?
02:10Did they want other quarterback options?
02:11Did they want the team to be much more aggressive?
02:14Well, I think where we stand right now with the fan base
02:18is a disgruntled one, to say the least,
02:20because Lamar's injuries, it's kind of a lightning rod topic
02:24because some will say that he's injury prone
02:27and he quits on the team and he won't play unless he's 100% healthy.
02:32Others will say that, you know,
02:33this window of opportunity to win a Super Bowl with him
02:36is closing rapidly.
02:38The defense was expected to be really good
02:40with Jesse Minter calling the shots
02:42and Anthony Weaver coming back
02:44and they've been dreadful outside of a couple of guys.
02:47Kyle Hamilton, in particular, the rookie,
02:50but second-year guy, Starks and safety's been bad.
02:54Nate Wiggins, third-year cornerback, he's struggled.
02:57Marlon Humphrey is probably the least popular player
02:59in the city at this time.
03:01So, yeah, Lamar gets questioned for his air quotes,
03:04lack of toughness,
03:05but anyone who saw the Bills game saw him break his thumb
03:08in real time.
03:10So, the question of his want to and desire to play through pain
03:13I think is completely unfair.
03:15The Browns, they play the Houston Texans on Sunday.
03:19If you were Todd Munkin, would you start Deshaun Watson
03:23or Shador Sanders?
03:24If I was Todd Munkin, I would roll with Shador.
03:28But, you know, Watson, I believe they said he's going to start, right?
03:32Well, Jeremy Fowler reported it,
03:34but Todd Munkin would not name a starter on Monday
03:37in this press conference.
03:38I would think, you know, it's only one game,
03:41but, you know, Cleveland's offense had some pep to it,
03:44no doubt about it.
03:45And with a team like Houston, you're going to have to match them
03:47point for point, you know, just based on the one game, of course.
03:51And we've seen Deshaun Watson that I think Shador
03:54would give them a better chance to maybe, you know,
03:57get into a shootout with the Texans.
03:59Bob Haney, 105.7 The Fan in Baltimore,
04:01as they get ready to host the Los Angeles Chargers
04:04on Monday Night Football, the 0-8 Los Angeles Chargers,
04:08who didn't trade anybody for picks yesterday.
04:13I agree with Nick Wilson on that.
04:14I thought that was a little perplexing.
04:16But they have traded their coach.
04:17Maybe they think they're going to make a run.
04:18Maybe they think they're going to make a big run here.
04:19Let's go to Cincinnati.
04:21Mo Egger, ESPN 1350 in Cincinnati.
04:24They're on Sunday Night Football.
04:26They're taking on Pittsburgh.
04:27Everybody in the division is in prime time
04:30except for us right now.
04:31Is Joe Burrow all of a sudden the MVP leader, Mo?
04:37If you look at various sports books, he's the odds-on favorite,
04:40and understandably so.
04:42Leads the league in touchdown passes,
04:43leads the league in yards per game.
04:45He was terrific against the Atlanta Falcons in Madrid.
04:49He was unbelievable in the second half a few weeks ago
04:52against the Baltimore Ravens.
04:53And even on a day where he threw three picks
04:55against the Tennessee Titans
04:57and the game sandwiched in between,
04:58he accounted for six touchdowns.
05:00This offense is humming.
05:01And look, when Joe Burrow plays a full season,
05:04he's an MVP finalist.
05:05Remarkably, he was an MVP finalist two years ago
05:08on a team that didn't make the postseason.
05:11He's healthy and upright.
05:12He's playing behind a good offensive line.
05:14I think there's a reasonable expectation
05:16that he finishes the season healthy.
05:17If he does, he's going to be in the conversation.
05:20And then I think, you know, we know how this works.
05:22There are going to be voters who just feel like
05:24it's Joe Burrow's time.
05:25That doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be
05:27the most deserving guy.
05:28But right now, at least, you can't have the MVP discussion
05:31without including Joe Burrow's name in it.
05:34You lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers,
05:36so they lost, I don't know how you talk about them
05:37on the radio.
05:38I always say us and stuff like that.
05:39Sorry.
05:40But they lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
05:42I think it was week three.
05:46They lost only by three, if I'm not mistaken.
05:48What needs to change to win that football game?
05:50They have to tackle Jalen Warren.
05:52They have to tackle Darnell Washington.
05:54And they have to get off to a better start on offense.
05:56They have to run the ball more effectively.
05:57And I think that's been the most encouraging thing
06:00about how they've played over the last couple of weeks.
06:03They have finally decided to junk this whole,
06:05hey, we're going to try to run under center
06:08and put Burrow, you know, not so much in the shotgun.
06:10And that's just not who they are.
06:12I think they looked in the mirror at halftime
06:14of the Baltimore game, and it was like somebody
06:16looking at themselves, you know, wearing an outfit
06:18that just doesn't work for them.
06:20And they said, okay, who we are is we put Joe
06:23in the shotgun.
06:24We let him diagnose.
06:25He throws the ball to T and Jamar.
06:27And then we just have to run the ball efficiently.
06:30We're not going to get a lot of huge chunk plays,
06:33home run plays, but I think they would take
06:35what they did against Atlanta on Sunday.
06:37Samaj AP, Ryan, and Chase Brown combined
06:39for 20 carries, 100 yards.
06:41That's five a pop.
06:42That'll play against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
06:45They were not running the ball effectively.
06:47And then on the defensive side of the ball,
06:49and I think this has been problematic all year long,
06:51they've missed a lot of tackles.
06:54They missed tackles against the Atlanta Falcons.
06:56It didn't come back to bite them.
06:57It nearly came back to bite them
06:58against the Tennessee Titans,
06:59and it doomed them against Pittsburgh.
07:01That's got to be cleaned up.
07:03All right, quickly, Mo, what happened yesterday
07:05with the comp pick fiasco?
07:07Did Cincinnati have to learn how to do business
07:11around the trade deadline based on social media?
07:15Yeah, you know, you remember when the Bengals
07:18and Browns tried to execute a trade for A.J. McCarron,
07:21and there was an issue with a fax machine
07:24and not knowing how trades work,
07:25and it was an embarrassment for both franchises.
07:29I think this is worse.
07:31And so the Cliff Notes version,
07:32and I could give you a non-Cliff Notes version
07:36that would last probably 90 minutes.
07:39They agreed with the Philadelphia Eagles
07:42to make a trade that would have brought
07:44Arnold Etikabe to Cincinnati,
07:46edge rusher who's not having a very productive season.
07:49It would have cost the Bengals a sixth-round pick.
07:51You can understand why they're looking for edge help.
07:55It, I don't know how this got on their radar,
07:59but this over-the-cap expert,
08:02while flying in an airplane,
08:04noticed that if the Bengals made this trade,
08:07they would lose a compensatory pick
08:10that was attached to Trey Hendrickson signing
08:12with the Baltimore Ravens.
08:15So once this became abundantly clear
08:18in the offices of Pacor Stadium,
08:20they thought this isn't value worth giving up
08:24in exchange for a guy who's going to be a rotational edge.
08:27And so the trade, the paperwork hadn't been submitted
08:30to the NFL, so the Bengals backed out of the deal.
08:33So you are being very reasonable.
08:36If you wonder,
08:37did the Bengals not know how compensatory picks work?
08:40Do they not know how trades work?
08:42And is this really a modern 21st century,
08:472026 NFL franchise
08:49that needs a guy on the internet
08:51to make them aware of what they're truly going to relinquish
08:54if they execute a trade?
08:5610 seconds.
08:57Who should start for the Browns on Sunday against Houston?
08:59Deshaun Watson or Shador Sanders?
09:01Who would you choose?
09:02Deshaun Watson.
09:03Oh, I'm sorry.
09:03My bad.
09:04Shador Sanders.
09:05Showed more upside.
09:06Showed promise.
09:07Let's see if he can continue to tap into that.
09:09That's two out of two.
09:10Mo Egger, ESPN 1530.
09:12And Cincinnati as they get ready to host the Steelers.
09:15Let's go to Pittsburgh.
09:1693.7 The Fans.
09:17Chris Muller in Pittsburgh
09:19as they get ready to obviously go to Cincinnati
09:21on Sunday night.
09:22No moves.
09:23Pony was losing his mind.
09:25Were you losing your mind
09:27with no moves at the trade deadline for the Steelers?
09:30Chris?
09:31Well, I wasn't tweeting about it
09:33and saying that there was a move coming
09:34when no move clearly was coming.
09:36Nettie was dropping F-bombs on the internet.
09:40He was?
09:41He wasn't even doing like F-asterisk?
09:43No.
09:44It's a bad lie.
09:45Asterisk?
09:45Wow.
09:45It's a bad lie.
09:46He's a trashy individual.
09:48Yeah, low class.
09:49Low class.
09:50You gotta, you know, you can only,
09:51what did Stephen A. Smith once say?
09:53Only mild expletives like ass, damn, and hell
09:55are allowed on my page.
09:56I only allow what I allow on the radio.
09:59Okay, fair enough.
10:02I think that it's a curious thing
10:04that they didn't do something.
10:05Now, you could argue Josh Downs,
10:07who was their primary target,
10:09was always going to be more in need
10:11from the Chiefs or more desired by the Chiefs
10:13and the Chiefs would have probably
10:14gone and up their offer
10:16if the Steelers had really played hardball.
10:17But what I can't reconcile, guys,
10:20is that this is a team that made a bunch of moves
10:22this offseason
10:23and then actually spoke about things
10:25like state-of-the-franchise stuff,
10:27all of which suggested
10:29that they were trying to win this year.
10:30You bring in Aaron Rodgers for one more year
10:32because you think you can win with this roster
10:34and you don't want to chance it
10:35to a young quarterback or some other guy.
10:37You bring in Mike McCarthy as your head coach,
10:39yes, to find the next quarterback of the future,
10:41but also in the immediate term
10:42to max out Aaron Rodgers for one year
10:44to try to win playoff games.
10:46The irony of all of this is
10:48I'm the guy who usually says,
10:49don't do anything who gives a,
10:51I almost swore on your air.
10:53Yeah, you did.
10:53Don't do anything who gives a crap
10:55about this year
10:56because you've got to find
10:57your quarterback of the future.
10:59The great irony being
11:00that was their excuse this year
11:01for not really doing anything.
11:03We don't want to surrender picks
11:04until we have our next quarterback.
11:05Meanwhile, most people like me
11:07who are healthy skeptics
11:08of this game's fortunes
11:09in a given year
11:10think that this is the best
11:11actual version of them
11:12in several years
11:13that could win a playoff game
11:14because they have an offensive line
11:16and they have the ability
11:17to actually control the game
11:19and they have a defense that works.
11:20So this would have been
11:21the one time I would have said,
11:22yes, try to augment this team
11:24with something that matters
11:25because it appears
11:26in a more open AFC
11:28that they might actually be
11:29somewhat capable
11:30and they didn't.
11:31So I think it's a head scratcher.
11:33Do fans think this Steeler team
11:35can make a significant run?
11:38I think they think
11:39they can win a playoff game
11:41right now
11:42and I think that once you get
11:44to the point where you think
11:45your team can win a playoff game
11:46and then you're in the divisional round
11:47at least
11:49then you sort of
11:50take your chances.
11:51I mean, I think Jacksonville
11:52got better.
11:53I think Buffalo's still really good
11:55but I've seen the Steelers
11:57kind of stare down
11:57a really good Joe Burrow game
11:59and that was my preseason
12:00Super Bowl pick
12:01was the Bengals.
12:02I've seen them stare down
12:03a very good version of Joe Burrow
12:05and make the play at the end
12:06to beat them.
12:07Like, I do think
12:08that they are a better team
12:09than they have been
12:10in recent years
12:11because their offensive line
12:12actually looks legit
12:13and they don't have to rely
12:14on Rodgers
12:15even though Rodgers
12:16wants to throw 82 goal line
12:17fades to DK Metcalf.
12:21Who would you start
12:22on Sunday
12:23against the Houston Texans
12:24if you were the Cleveland Browns?
12:25Would you start
12:26Shador Sanders
12:27or Deshaun Watson?
12:28I would start
12:29Shador Sanders
12:30because Shador Sanders
12:31even though it was
12:33a very quiet
12:33three and a half quarters
12:35suddenly came alive
12:36like the ghost
12:37of Kenny Pickett
12:38and then some
12:38and he made one
12:39of the best throws
12:40I've seen a quarterback
12:41in the NFL make
12:42all year.
12:43I mean, I'm a very healthy
12:44Sander skeptic
12:45but getting absolutely
12:47blasted and throwing
12:48about a 30-yard rope
12:49to keep to,
12:50what was that,
12:51to Boston I think it was?
12:53No, are you talking
12:54about the Jerry Judy?
12:55Jerry Judy, yeah.
12:55I'm sorry, Jerry Judy.
12:56Yeah, Jerry Judy.
12:57I knew it wasn't Concepcion
12:58but yeah, the Judy throw
12:59is one of the best throws
13:00I've seen a quarterback
13:01make in the entire NFL.
13:03Like, the long-winded
13:04Concepcion was not
13:05like an awesome throw
13:06but it was plenty good enough
13:08for a big game
13:08and then this receiver
13:09makes all the plays after
13:10but yeah, I mean,
13:12they're going nowhere
13:12and everyone hates Watson.
13:14Like, I'm not saying
13:15people love Shadur Sanders.
13:16I think a lot of people
13:17think it's silly hype
13:18but he's the younger player
13:19who actually showed a pulse
13:20in a game where you guys
13:22looked like you were
13:23dead in the water
13:23on multiple occasions.
13:25I don't, I,
13:25it's like a complete
13:26no-brainer to me
13:27that you would start him.
13:28No-brainer tone.
13:31Um, I don't think
13:32it's a no-brainer.
13:32I don't think coaches
13:33believe that way.
13:34I think coach just
13:35goes back to the normal
13:36quarterback that got him
13:37out to a 5-3 start.
13:38They did win five games
13:39with Deshaun Watson.
13:41But he was playing
13:42like a bottom five
13:43quarterback.
13:44That's not true.
13:44No, he wasn't.
13:45He was playing like,
13:46by like any stat
13:47that actually matters.
13:48No, it was anywhere.
13:49I don't know if you want
13:50to start this fight, Chris.
13:51This has been an everyday thing.
13:51It's been anywhere.
13:52No, Muller,
13:53I looked at every number.
13:54It's anywhere from 15
13:55to 21, 22.
13:56That's, that's where
13:57he's been this year
13:57which isn't great
13:59but that's still
14:00way better than what
14:00for him tone
14:01and they spelled
14:02disaster for him
14:03at sacrifice.
14:04What's that?
14:05He's doing a,
14:06he's, he's,
14:07yeah, I didn't hear it.
14:08Thank you, Chris.
14:08Chris Muller.
14:10He's doing Steiner math.
14:10I'm sorry.
14:11Oh, yeah.
14:13But you didn't hear him
14:13very well.
14:14You would have got the reference.
14:15Yeah.
14:15You know the reference.
14:16About sacrifice?
14:17Yeah.
14:17About sacrifice.
14:18About the Bengals just
14:20learning how to conduct
14:21football business
14:21from social media.
14:23That's not like
14:24speculating.
14:24That's actually what happened.
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14:28How about all those
14:29guests appear on
14:30the Wise Heart Right
14:30We Make It Right
14:31called Kyle Wright Hotline
14:32and they all picked
14:33Shador Sanders
14:35to start on Sunday.
14:36And this show.
14:38Yeah.
14:38I think that's what
14:39media would do.
14:41This show,
14:41three out of four
14:42have picked Deshaun Watson.
14:44What are we missing?
14:46I can explain it.
14:47That and five on the fan.
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