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00:00I'm not taking shots at Brad Doherty. Do not put it in the paper. I'm taking shots at Brad Doherty.
00:05Sounds like a shot's coming at none other than cast great Brad Doherty.
00:09No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he is.
00:12And NASCAR enthusiast. This has to hurt.
00:16Don't do this to me. You're just going to make me, you want to be hot or you're going to
00:20make me soft pedal it?
00:21No, it doesn't sound like you're soft pedaling anything.
00:23I'm agitated at Kenny and so I hate that there's residual there with Brad Doherty.
00:27Brad Doherty is on the broadcast. So what's Brad Doherty going to do?
00:31Say that they all laid down? No, but the clip at the end of the game.
00:35Well, you know, there's a lot of positive. Is James Harden 37 years old?
00:39Yeah. How old is Donovan Mitchell? 30?
00:43But playing like he's 37.
00:46Evan Mobley is in year 6, 7, 6, 6, 6.
00:53Malik, Malik Thomas, it would be true.
00:56Why are we talking about them like they're just putting this team together?
01:00Why are we talking about them like we were in like 2019?
01:03Like they're learning? They're still learning and learning and learning?
01:07I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm being serious.
01:10You can't talk about them like that.
01:13Last night, guys, I'm hitting the red button.
01:16Last night, this is not good.
01:17To me, from what I was hearing and what I was seeing,
01:24this, did you remember the night that Milwaukee came to town
01:27and basically Giannis and everybody else walked around
01:30and it was basically an effort to get Adrian Griffin fired?
01:34Do you remember that?
01:35Oh, yeah.
01:35Yeah, that's what I think I saw last night down in Oklahoma City.
01:44Guys, we should be hitting a red button here
01:46when it comes to the relationship between the players and the coach.
01:50I saw James Harden and Kenny Atkinson jawing at each other
01:54while they were down by 22 at the free throw line.
01:58I think they're trying to get their coach fired.
02:01What do you mean?
02:02Well, we could have sat there and lost by 40.
02:05Yeah, you probably would have.
02:08They walked around.
02:09Guys, I think they're trying to get –
02:11I think they might be trying to get him canned.
02:13Yeah, the only reason they didn't lose by 40 was
02:15because I think Oklahoma City took some –
02:18took the foot off the gas and they're like,
02:21well, how much energy do we need to expend here?
02:23Not much.
02:24Because that first half, the game was over.
02:25Yeah.
02:25Really, the first quarter, the game was over.
02:28And it's a familiar refrain.
02:31I think if you're a Cavs fan watching
02:33or if you're any of my Cavs friends who are just cheapskates
02:39and are asking me for codes the entire game.
02:42They want you to –
02:43I'm sorry your ad pop-up blocker isn't working.
02:46I'm sorry your VPN didn't come through for you last night
02:48because that's –
02:49I'm sure the Cavs are happy to hear that it's an arms race
02:55to try to figure out how to combat, you know, the $10 a month
02:58or whatever it is.
02:59So knock me down if you want to, okay?
03:01I think it's $19.99 a month.
03:03It's $19?
03:03Yeah.
03:04I want you to knock me down on this if you can.
03:05I'm serious because it's –
03:07guys, it's November 5th.
03:09And I think back on like November 1st, I was like,
03:11no, I'm not going to freak out over these games.
03:13I don't think you're going to hear me knock any of this down.
03:15Well, again, they go out against –
03:17or they go out against –
03:18because we were watching San Antonio before this game.
03:20They go out against Oklahoma City the other night,
03:22doesn't go well, and then I got this last night where –
03:25I swear to you, we've seen teams have mutinies before,
03:30and I'm watching this going, there's no effort.
03:33There's just none.
03:34There's nobody playing hot.
03:35And that doesn't absolve the players when I'm saying
03:38that I think they're trying to get Kenny fired
03:39because you fired the coach before him.
03:41You'll fire Kenny Atkinson.
03:43Are we just scapegoating the head coaches?
03:45It's done all the time in the NBA.
03:46I have to look at you guys
03:48because you're not 19-year-old rookies.
03:51That's not it.
03:52Okay?
03:53You have a 37-year-old grown man out there.
03:56Evan Mobley's in year six.
03:58You got veterans on this team.
04:00Donovan is almost 30, if I'm not mistaken.
04:02Like, you got guys on this team here
04:04that are veterans that have been in this league for a while,
04:07that are in your starting lineup.
04:09And we're trying to learn –
04:11well, you know, at least we didn't lose by 40.
04:14At least we didn't lose by 40.
04:16At least we didn't lose by effing 40?
04:19This isn't your AAU team.
04:21This isn't 12U.
04:24Disappointed in our first quarter.
04:26You know, three quarters, really solid, solid play.
04:30And you have one quarter where you're not up to par.
04:34The turnovers, they just get the other team going,
04:36kind of snowballs there.
04:38And then, you know, we obviously didn't make shots.
04:39But I was really pleased with how we responded.
04:43No, you're not.
04:44I know he's not.
04:45And I'm not – you know what?
04:45I'm not going to sit there and say he's insulting us.
04:47I don't think he is.
04:48I think he's just trying to get through the press conference.
04:51I think he doesn't want to throw his guys under the bus.
04:53Maybe he should.
04:55Because, you know, what I saw with him and James Harden,
04:57I go, okay, we're getting close to it now.
05:00Kenny, they've won six of the eight quarters against Oklahoma City.
05:04Well, you know, I tell you what.
05:06We always try to find a silver lining around here.
05:08I can't do it.
05:09I do feel like there should be a weighted quarter system.
05:12You know, why just play the games and then count the points at the end of the game?
05:17I think if you outscore a team in the third quarter, that should count for more.
05:21A weighted point system.
05:22I've been saying it for years over the quarters.
05:23Come on.
05:24What are they doing?
05:24You know what that sounds like, Lima?
05:26It sounds like banana ball.
05:27You know what?
05:28I think the Cavs would be a better banana ball team right now.
05:31Because, you know, banana ball –
05:32They already have a banana ball team.
05:33Yeah.
05:34They started – the Harlem Globetrotters started banana ball.
05:38That's 100 years ago.
05:39Kenny does not like –
05:40And then a guy in a yellow tuxedo took it over.
05:42Any deference whatsoever to banana ball.
05:43I don't care about banana ball.
05:45If that's what those people like, that's what they like.
05:47I'm not going to go see it.
05:48Well, I might go see – no, I'm not going to go see it.
05:51No, that's not going to happen.
05:51And they gave one of their, like, PA guys a national radio show.
05:54Congratulations on all his success.
05:55That's still on.
05:56Who gets to throw the bucket of confetti?
05:57That's all I care about.
05:58Well, no, because sometimes it's water for real, for serious.
06:03Well, that's how you slip and fall.
06:05You never know which ones.
06:06That's why they had those guys with those little scrubber things.
06:08You got to watch out.
06:09And they throw you for a wrinkle.
06:10It's great.
06:10It's great entertainment.
06:11They slip the sleepers out there doing work.
06:12Guys, I'm dead serious.
06:13I think this team's trying to get him fired.
06:14All right, well, think about it.
06:15Kenny, right now –
06:16And I'm not going to rip –
06:17I can sit here – guys, I can sit here and rip Kenny Atkinson,
06:20and they can just go back out on Friday.
06:21It's like, say they fired him right now.
06:22Fine, we'll fire his ass.
06:24Okay, and they can go right out there and walk around.
06:26They won't because they're –
06:27I think they're trying to get their coach fired.
06:32They're giving an effort, and then who am I going to blame then?
06:33The next two games, they've got Philly.
06:35It is a cup game, and you know the cup games just mean –
06:38Playing the music.
06:38A little bit more.
06:40Yeah, we were saving it for the cup.
06:42That's what we were doing.
06:43Well, will you take back some of this if they come back
06:45and beat LeBron and Philly at home in a cup game?
06:48Yes.
06:49I would love to because the way they played yesterday –
06:52Pressure's on.
06:52– tells me that –
06:53Makes me look like they are not –
06:55They don't give a damn.
06:57Yeah, but did they get any sleep?
06:57And they're trying to get their coach fired.
06:58Stay at the Haunted Hotel.
06:59Did they get any sleep, Kenny?
07:00Come on.
07:01Give them a benefit.
07:03I know you don't mean what you're saying.
07:04And during spooky season?
07:05No, it's not spooky season anymore.
07:07It's November.
07:08It was November 4th.
07:09In my neighborhood, there is still plenty of skeletons up.
07:13Plenty.
07:13Well, you have plenty of skeletons and plenty of closets in your home.
07:16But what I'm pointing out is that Sunday was good weather.
07:20She scored 85 the last two games, so it's a little spooky.
07:23That is spooky.
07:25Johnny Bryant's going to be the head coach of his basketball team on Monday.
07:28Wait a minute.
07:29You got the –
07:30No, hold on.
07:30So, they got Philly Friday.
07:32Back-to-back Philly and Knicks, guys.
07:33And then they got the Knicks.
07:34So, this is it.
07:35That's it.
07:35So, if they get embarrassed the next two games, if they look listless, if they come out of
07:40the gates and we're saying the same thing, and Kenny Atkinson after the game is saying,
07:43well, we're learning good lessons here.
07:45And Brad Doherty on the broadcast is saying, oh, I feel like we closed strong in this game.
07:49If all of those things add up, I think Kenny Atkinson is absolutely getting a heave-ho after
07:55the Knicks game.
07:55He's getting canned.
07:56Because, you know, Dan Gilbert is going to be front and center at those games.
07:59It's going to be a wild Cleveland weekend.
08:02I have the weekend up.
08:03Should I be going to these games, Kenny?
08:05Well, I don't know.
08:05It depends.
08:06Well, how old's Maystone?
08:07Two and a half.
08:09Still maybe a little too young to bring it.
08:11Because I take Axel to a lot of stuff.
08:13It's fun.
08:14You get two birds stoned at once.
08:16Do you want to go outside and get an actual head coach, or do you want an interim head
08:19coach for the rest of the year?
08:20They would.
08:20I do not think they would go outside.
08:22Who's available?
08:23Thibodeau.
08:24I mean, he...
08:24Call the butcher.
08:26I think he is the one guy, but...
08:28Tom Thibodeau, anyway, four bucks a pound.
08:31That is tough to do to a veteran team.
08:33You know, it's interesting...
08:34What do you mean it's tough to do to a veteran team?
08:36It's tough to do to a veteran broadcaster and Cavs fan what they're doing right now.
08:39Think about what they did when they made the choice to go to Ty Lue.
08:44You know, they went with somebody who's young and on staff.
08:47Whatever.
08:47Well, that would be the scenario here.
08:49I'm so sick in Ty Lue.
08:50So, Dan Gilbert's got proof of concept there that that's worked before.
08:53I'm not mad at you.
08:53Plus, I think Johnny Bryant's one of the highest paid assistant coaches again, which is exactly
08:57what Ty Lue was.
08:58Well, I'm just saying, if you really wanted...
09:00But the first person you brought up was Tom Thibodeau.
09:04And then you say, well, it's a tough thing to do to a veteran team.
09:06I don't know.
09:07They're letting them do whatever they want, and they go out there and they walk around.
09:09So, again, this does sound like a verbal assault of Kenny Atkinson.
09:14And in many ways, it actually is.
09:16But we couldn't believe...
09:17Let's not that absolve the responsibility of the basketball team itself.
09:20Sure.
09:21But I do wonder, and what kind of residue was there from the end of last season?
09:26Like, I sat here...
09:28Well, it depends.
09:29You've got to clean out the filter, and then you've got to get the bowl.
09:31Well, after they got swept by the Knicks, I sat here and I said, oh, it'll be a matter of
09:35time.
09:35It's 6 a.m., and I expect him to be relieved of his duties by 10.
09:40And then they came out with a statement, and they said, Kenny Atkinson is our head coach.
09:45And I'm like, in the NBA, where it's so easy to just get rid of a coach, in an NBA
09:52where
09:52everybody was watching, you get humiliated in the Knicks series, nobody was even giving
09:56you credit for winning two playoff series, which I was.
09:59I thought that was a big deal for this team, but nobody else seemed to.
10:03And then Kenny Atkinson became a universal...
10:06Yeah, you're right.
10:07...lifetime meme for what he said about analytics, where I understood where he was coming from,
10:13but it's just not the tone.
10:14It's just not what to say.
10:15And now he's getting clowned 24-7 for it.
10:18So I was surprised, I was shocked that this didn't get done at the end of last year, because
10:24it would have been something very easy to do, and I don't think it would have caused any
10:28negative fallout.
10:29And now here we are.
10:31Lama's right.
10:31Did we just waste the first three weeks of the NBA, four weeks of the NBA season?
10:34So what you'll do, if they go out against Philadelphia, see, you set the tone.
10:40See, this is smart by them.
10:41This is what they want, and this is what I think they're going to get.
10:43You set the tone, you give a taste of half-ass basketball in the game against Oklahoma City.
10:50You are so...
10:51The playbook is there for mutiny and getting a coach fired.
10:55God, I wish I wasn't serious.
10:58This is serious.
10:59You're back at home against Philly tomorrow night.
11:02You can see that game.
11:03It's on prime.
11:04A lot of people don't have the zone.
11:08A lot of people don't even know how to say it, but you do it.
11:11Most people have prime.
11:12So you can watch it on prime, and then are we able to watch NBA TV, or is that blacked
11:17out on Saturday?
11:18I'm not positive.
11:19I think that has a chance to get blacked out, but we'll see.
11:22Wouldn't surprise me.
11:23Well, you got college football by that time, too.
11:25So maybe some people won't see the Knicks game.
11:27Well, if they go out there and walk around against LeBron, I don't know if they're going
11:30to stick around and watch the Knicks game the next night.
11:32But this is setting up perfectly for them, because you're not going to fire them and then
11:35host the Knicks the next night.
11:37You're probably just not going to do that.
11:38You'd like a day in between.
11:39So if they go out there and they walk around and they get their asses handed to them at
11:43home, the booze would come out.
11:45Booze will be out.
11:47Dan will be there.
11:48He'll be upset.
11:49You leave on Sunday for a road trip to go to Charlotte, and then that's when you put
11:55Johnny Bryan in.
11:56Saturday night, Sunday morning.
11:59There you go.
12:00And then we don't spend the PR playbooks there.
12:05I don't know what's going to happen Sunday with the Browns and Saints.
12:07I don't feel very good after the press conference yesterday.
12:10We'll get to that coming up.
12:12So by that time, it's like, well, is Kenny and Anthony really going to spend?
12:16They say they listen all the time.
12:17I think they do.
12:18Is Kenny and Anthony really going to spend that much time?
12:21Yeah, we'll spend some segments on it, but it's a, it's a Browns Monday and you're at
12:24the beginning of your season.
12:25You did just fire a coach that has to be discussed and it will, it's a four hour show, but
12:31it
12:31maybe it doesn't have the type of spotlight that it would because you're talking about
12:35the Browns on a Monday.
12:36Let's be serious.
12:37Clock is ticking.
12:38Clock is absolutely ticking.
12:39If you can't them on Saturday night, you got the NFL Sunday morning.
12:42You'll have a couple of stories on the, on, uh, on ESPN, but you got NFL.
12:47Yeah.
12:47They look, they, they're without Peyton Watson.
12:50They're without Jalen Tyson.
12:51So nobody cares when you're going up against OKC where it is a bunch of their second team
12:56and then Shea Gilgis, who is absolutely torching you in two straight games.
13:01I like Kenny without Jared Allen too.
13:03Yeah.
13:03Yeah.
13:03Proctor, Proctor.
13:04That's true.
13:05Yeah.
13:05I like Kenny Atkinson.
13:07I like him a whole bunch.
13:08Don't, don't get me wrong.
13:09I know this sounds like I'm beating up on him.
13:11I'm not just beating up on him.
13:13Uh, I'm, I, I will, you have to hold the basketball team accountable too.
13:18So let's not lose sight of that.
13:20You know, we, we make scapegoats out of these guys.
13:22We did it with JB Bickerstaff by the end.
13:25We're looking for things that we don't like.
13:26Well, he complains about this too much and he, yeah, he screams himself.
13:29And I do still think he, he rides the refs way too hard and it turns the refs on him.
13:33I do believe that, but we start finding little nitpicky things about JB.
13:38Cause we were ready to move on this time.
13:40It's like, Hey man, like you got veterans on this team.
13:43I, you can, you could switch out Kenny throwing Johnny Bryant.
13:45Then you can get rid of him.
13:46You bring in the mad butcher, get rid of him.
13:48You'll bring in Hubie Brown, get rid of him.
13:51Bring in Larry Brown, get rid of him.
13:52I don't, it ain't going to change him.
13:54It ain't going to change him.
13:57Playing out.
13:58It really is.
13:58It's like, it's, it feels already like it's playing out the stretch of the season, of the
14:04contracts, of everything.
14:05This is, this is uninspiring.
14:09Uninspiring.
14:10You have no, you have no response to this, by the way.
14:13You're not fighting me on this and telling me I'm overreacting.
14:16No, I think the response is that I think Kenny's got two games to save his job.
14:21I don't think they're going to let him save his job.
14:23They still got to go out there and perform.
14:27I'm sorry.
14:27They showed more fight while they were standing out there waiting for three free throws,
14:30yelling back at Kenny than they were actually playing basketball yesterday.
14:33That game was, that game was just far too easy for OKC, who again, was essentially playing
14:39with four backups, JV team, and there's, and there's superstar.
14:44But again, we're talking about a game that most people couldn't see because look at the
14:47phones right now.
14:47Oh yeah, they're empty.
14:49Oh, and I think.
14:49How many tweets do we have?
14:50And I don't think there was a rush to call DAZN when they were getting their ass kicked
14:5537 to 20 at the end of the first quarter.
14:57Henry.
14:57Sign me up.
14:58Henry.
14:59Carl.
15:00Get on here.
15:01Go get your password.
15:03Maybe people start sharing now.
15:06I don't want it anymore.
15:07You want it?
15:07We've been blown out by 40.
15:09Sign me up.
15:09Hot potato.
15:09Hey, it's a live ball turnover.
15:11Here's your DAZN password.
15:13My wallet's right here.
15:15I want to give you my money.
15:17I only show up for the second half, so.
15:20Go get blown out.
15:20Second half, played good basketball.
15:22A lot to learn from tonight.
15:23That's when Owen makes his adjustments.
15:24He's a second half guy.
15:26He comes out of the locker room, has no idea what happened in the first half.
15:29I'm not knocking Brad Doherty.
15:30Because again, nobody gave him a password.
15:31He's on the broadcast.
15:32He's got to try to, he's got to find something constructive to say.
15:35Not knocking him.
15:36Oh, is that when the VPN kicks in?
15:39Of course.
15:40Yeah, second half, played good basketball.
15:42A lot to learn from tonight.
15:43Okay.
15:45That's when I end up in Indonesia.
15:48I was wondering why they have so many fans in Kazbekistan.
15:53Outstanding.
15:55All right.
15:56Now we'll get back to it.
15:59Whatever.
16:002-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
16:05Mary Kay, 20.
16:07We'll get back to the Cavs.
16:09You want to get to this press conference?
16:10A rip-roaring start here.
16:13You want to get back to the Cavs?
16:14You want to get to this press conference?
16:16Pass.
16:17We move on, please.
16:18All right.
16:18I'm not really concerned with the first half of the show.
16:22I'm obviously...
16:22The second half show.
16:28We're a fourth quarter garbage time show.
16:31That's when we kick it into high gear.
16:34That's when our superstars start to perform.
16:38That would be great.
16:39God, they get their asses kicked between 6 and 9.
16:42And then like 940, they got like an 18.
16:44Gangbusters.
16:45Yeah.
16:45Yeah.
16:46Keeson, they're going, that's garbage time.
16:48Chase.
16:49Second half, played good basketball.
16:50A lot to learn from tonight.
16:52Rover let him off the hook in the fourth.
16:55Yeah.
16:55Second half, played good basketball.
16:57A lot to learn from tonight.
16:58I obviously hope Shador does well.
17:02A press conference yesterday made me very concerned about how things are going to go on Sunday.
17:06That's in five on the...