00:00Three guests, three no's in one segment about Justin Herbert.
00:04For the Browns. Not for them, for the Browns.
00:08Pony technically said yes, but he said it in the most diabolical way possible
00:12when he's like, oh, I'd love for the Browns to trade three ones for Justin Herbert.
00:15I went, yeah, that's a no. That's an absolute no.
00:20Not a lot of people saying, we got a couple of callers who were like,
00:24Kenny, franchise quarterback, go ahead. You got to.
00:28I'm going, I think he's banged. I think he's broke.
00:32I think he's broke mentally.
00:34People, what is going on?
00:36So, I'm going to regret doing this.
00:38What is going on with the girlfriend?
00:40What is this whole thing?
00:41John's been champing at the bit to try to get into this.
00:44I think she just goes to games.
00:46I have a strong policy against talking about wives and girlfriends and such.
00:52I mean, honestly, unless they control something like Jordan Hudson did,
00:56like, all right, I guess we have to discuss it.
00:58But I really don't like doing that.
01:00So, John, what's the issue?
01:02It's not really an issue.
01:04It's just a meme.
01:05It's like, oh, if you had Madison Beer at home,
01:07would you really be studying your playbook?
01:09Would you really be breaking down film if you had Madison Beer at home?
01:12I don't know who Madison Beer is.
01:13So, Madison, she's a famous singer.
01:15Is she a singer?
01:16I don't really, I don't want to call her a famous singer,
01:19but she is kind of famous.
01:20I don't know any of her songs.
01:22Oh, she is quite fetching.
01:24Yes, she is.
01:25I didn't know.
01:26Okay.
01:27Easy on the eye.
01:28That's how we say it.
01:29I wasn't familiar with your game.
01:31I apologize.
01:32Well, he's a quarterback.
01:34Usually quarterbacks tend to have very attractive partners.
01:42So, what's that got to do with anything?
01:44She's really getting in the way of his success.
01:46Can Ken power rank the positions by the looks of their significant others?
01:52I'm not doing that.
01:53Would you like to start out?
01:54No, let's go.
01:55Absolutely not.
01:55Let's go and let's hear them.
01:57What you said, usually the quarterbacks have the best-looking women,
02:02so go from there.
02:02I didn't say it like that.
02:04I said they tend to have the most attractive.
02:07How are the long snappers doing?
02:08They tend to have attractive partners.
02:10Well, honestly, professional athletes of any sort seem to have attractive partners.
02:14But there is a ranking here.
02:16There's a hierarchy.
02:16Don't act like there is.
02:17A music playing Ghanai.
02:18No, I'm not saying a damn word after that.
02:20You're not getting me in any sort of – I don't know why I'd be in trouble with that.
02:23It's common sense.
02:24Isn't it common sense?
02:27Isn't it common sense?
02:29What do you think about defensive tackles?
02:31Like, Beyonce doesn't walk around with a guy like Kenny Carmen.
02:35Like, no.
02:35Walks around with a Super Bowl halftime person.
02:38Exactly.
02:38You go with attractive or successful or both type of people.
02:42That's where they are in those circles.
02:44That's what I'm saying.
02:46Like, you wouldn't go – whatever this – like, I'm basically the Kool-Aid man in blue today.
02:50Like, that's basically what it is.
02:51You don't do that.
02:52The blue made, man.
02:52You don't do that.
02:54You usually don't.
02:57So, there you go.
02:58I'm not blaming her for him not playing well.
03:01I'm blaming him for him not playing well.
03:02It ain't her fault.
03:03They break up.
03:04And he still plays like garbage.
03:06Well, now he doesn't have her and he's still playing like garbage.
03:08So, how do you explain then somebody like Patrick Mahomes?
03:11What about him?
03:12They're a high school sweetheart, so that's different.
03:14So, how is it different?
03:17Because Brittany Mahomes isn't famous.
03:19So, you're saying she would not –
03:21He's famous now.
03:21You're saying she would not distract him at home?
03:24She's not as distracting as Madison Beer is.
03:26So, what would he base it on?
03:27I don't like where this conversation is going.
03:28I'd like John to expand on that.
03:30Pretty dumb to do on the radio.
03:31I don't like where that conversation is going.
03:33Go ahead, John, and answer the question.
03:34I don't think you should.
03:35I don't think you should let him answer that question.
03:37No, I think it's absolutely stupid to do.
03:39And, John, I want to hear your opinion.
03:40John, don't do it.
03:41I got to tell you, I don't think you should.
03:44I'm not going to.
03:45There you go, John.
03:46Now you're learning, bud.
03:46John, this is a mistake.
03:47There you go.
03:48No, do not do it.
03:49That's the devil talking to you.
03:51Don't do it.
03:51I'm the good angel here.
03:52We're moving on.
03:53There should never be a world where you're the good angel.
03:56I got three – that's very true, actually.
03:58I got three different hosts from our rivals in the division telling us that,
04:05no, they would not want – the Browns should not trade for Justin Herbert.
04:10Pony lied.
04:11I mean, you know where Pony stands on it.
04:14That's three guys.
04:15So, three – and Albert Breer, who was on yesterday, said it would probably take
04:19some, like, three first-round picks.
04:21Well, is that because of the quarterback or the assets?
04:23I think it would probably become because of both because –
04:26Yeah, I get that.
04:27But which one's more?
04:28Well, as far as – oh, you're talking about the draft assets?
04:31Yeah.
04:32Well, he in himself –
04:33Because to me, it's more about the assets than it is the quarterback,
04:36and I'm not overly high on the quarterback.
04:38Exactly, and that's the whole point of it, is that you have a distressed asset
04:42and a bad market.
04:44So, how am I supposed to give up three first-round picks?
04:47According to what Albert said, it would probably cost three.
04:49It starts at two, and it probably would cost you three.
04:51How am I supposed to trade valuable, valuable things, valuable assets,
04:57for someone distressed in a bad market?
05:00Now, the bad market makes me better, but, again, he's a banged-up quarterback
05:06in terms of, like, I think he might be broken mentally right now.
05:09So, if he's all those things – Todd Munkin did help out Deshaun Watson.
05:14But Deshaun Watson – like, you look at where they have.
05:17Like, all right, they took Amari and Hampton.
05:19He seems to be a bit of a miss right now.
05:20He was first-round.
05:21He's a first-round running back.
05:23I want to ask more about that with Dane Brugler coming up.
05:25But he's a first-round running back.
05:28You got – off the top of my head.
05:30Quentin Johnson isn't necessarily God's –
05:32Johnston isn't necessarily God's gift to the position.
05:34You went and you got Ladd McConkie.
05:36You have Joe Ault on that offensive line.
05:38Who was the guy that got hurt this year that they had on their offensive line
05:41that cost them a boatload of money?
05:42Rashawn Slater.
05:43Rashawn Slater, thank you very much, who was a draft pick by them.
05:46So, I don't want to hear anything about them not having things around him.
05:49So, that's what upsets me.
05:52Like, we've gotten better around Deshaun Watson, certainly,
05:55and he's taken somewhat of an advantage about that.
05:58He's not terrified to play the position.
06:00And he's not complete and utter garbage.
06:02He's still not great.
06:04And maybe Justin Herbert naturally is better.
06:07But Justin Herbert started with a much better position than what Deshaun Watson did.
06:13And I'm getting numbers, and people are making comparisons that are as bad
06:17or worse than Deshaun Watson.
06:19So, what, I'm just going to make the Deshaun Watson mistake all over again?
06:22You give up three first-round picks and possibly two next year?
06:26For what?
06:27For a guy who's broken?
06:31I know, old Kenny's negative and scared of every new quarterback.
06:36All right, that is.
06:37I have a track record of that.
06:39And I can't run away from that.
06:41Now, it sounds like I'm giving a stump speech now.
06:43I have a track record of that.
06:45I can't run away from that.
06:45But I'm not giving up three first-round picks for Justin Herbert.
06:49I don't think I want to give up two first-round picks for Justin Herbert.
06:51The only thing that could maybe talk me into it is that at the end of the year,
06:56if we're an 8, 9, say you're a 10-win team and somehow you don't make the playoffs,
06:59if you're somewhere in there and you don't make the playoffs, and I go,
07:02hey, you know what?
07:03These guys are good to go.
07:04I like a lot of this.
07:05I think this is a team that's ready to compete right now.
07:09Maybe I'd be willing to do it.
07:10But as of right now, I still got a lot of things that need addressed,
07:13and I need those picks.
07:15I need them.
07:16And I know I need to address the quarterback above all else,
07:18but it ain't like they're falling out of trees.
07:20This isn't the 2018 or 1983 draft class.
07:23This isn't going to be a repeat of that.
07:25I know that we thought there was going to be eight guys.
07:27You knew that was crazy to begin with, and we're not going to have five.
07:30I don't know how many we're really going to have.
07:32The Herbert thing is so bizarre because we don't have a big track record.
07:37I used to say Deshaun Watson's fall from grace is kind of unprecedented
07:40in terms of his play going from allegedly a top-five quarterback
07:45to one of the worst in football during his time with the Browns.
07:50But Justin Herbert, being as good as he was, now you could say,
07:54well, I didn't think he was that good in the playoffs or whatever.
07:56Fine.
07:57I'm talking by the regular season, I went over what the league thought of him,
08:01always around the top five, for him to quite literally look like
08:05the worst quarterback in football if it's not Baker Mayfield,
08:08it's Justin Herbert this year.
08:09Like, holy cow, how does he get that bad?
08:13And is that just a one-year mental thing that can be fixed,
08:16or is he broken forever?
08:20Justin Herbert?
08:23I've already been burned by one quarterback.
08:25I'm not willing to go get burned by another.
08:27It seems like we're the one town where we had the unprecedented thing happen to us.
08:31Are we going to let the thing happen again?
08:34I just think right now you have a better chance to talk me into drafting
08:39a quarterback than you have me giving up all those assets for...
08:43Oh, they're asking this.
08:44What?
08:45Justin Herbert and these two first-round picks this year,
08:49or Spencer Rattler as your quarterback next year.
08:55And we can do this with a bunch of different names.
08:58Justin Herbert, two first-round picks.
09:00Can I just say Deshaun Watson?
09:01I can't say Deshaun Watson.
09:02Or Deshaun Watson.
09:04Deshaun Watson.
09:07Or Spencer Rattler?
09:09I'm just going to start going through the names.
09:11Owen, come on, help me with this.
09:12I don't want to do a show anymore if this is...
09:14Remember, half the league is looking for quarterbacks next year to start.
09:18It could be like half the league.
09:20All right, wanted to make sure.
09:22Coming up in 20 minutes,
09:24Dane Brugler going to join us on the show.
09:26What would you trade for Dak Prescott?
09:29Who the hell am I doing the show with right now?
09:31I'm just asking questions.
09:32Is he available?
09:34The tea leaves say he could be.
09:37Well, that's a different conversation.
09:39My source, Mr. Tea Leaf.
09:41You got nothing.
09:44What?
09:44Are we wrong about Justin Herbert?
09:46Ken Carman, Anthony Lima.
09:47Dane Brugler, 9 o'clock on the fan.
09:49I'm here.
09:49I'm here.
