Is This Really Noah’s Ark? Andrew Jones on the Latest Evidence

Cliff Buell

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00:00:00Only one location we hit something really hard that it broke the drill. He has seen organized

00:00:04patterns of voids, tunnels, and walls going straight up and down and right angles. Ron Wyatt,

00:00:09that is someone who you did personally know. Yeah, Ron Wyatt, it's like the name people love

00:00:13or hate when you bring him up. They will do some studies just to see if there is animal DNA.

00:00:17In

00:00:17his 40-year career, he has not seen something like this. All right, with me, I have Andrew Jones,

00:00:21who is the VP of the Noah's Ark Research and then also the founder of Noah's Ark Scans. His name

00:00:30is Andrew Jones. He's not to be confused with Indiana Jones, but he's still doing incredible work

00:00:35out here in Turkey. Brother, man, it's such an honor to have you on, and I'm really excited

00:00:40for some of the questions that I want answers to. I have some questions that some of my followers

00:00:46submitted as well, so it'd be cool to get those answers and find out what you guys are doing

00:00:50and then also find out the next steps and what's coming out next. So thank you, Andrew, for being

00:00:55on. Thanks for having me. I'm happy to share always and looking forward to answering those

00:00:59questions, and I'll do my best. So yeah, let's get to it. Awesome. All right, so obviously there's

00:01:05been a lot that's been done in the past few weeks. What would you say is the next major new

00:01:12stage of

00:01:13research that you guys are currently working on? Well, I think there are two areas. One, of course,

00:01:19are the soil samples. We got almost 400 soil and rock samples from the site. Wow. And so right now

00:01:24they're in Anka University's cold storage in their laboratories, and so this winter, late fall, winter,

00:01:30we'll be studying them and working through and producing a final report, combining the information

00:01:35with other data. So that's coming up. Then also the other thing we're excited about is getting the

00:01:41final report from the radar. Dr. Kostro's, Bucktar's radar is something that we were very excited to have

00:01:48him do at the site and just to compare that data with previous surveys and also to help us pinpoint

00:01:55really interesting targets for next year because we'll have a season two. So this is not like Oak Island.

00:02:01We will get to the bottom of this, but we will definitely do it step by step. And so part

00:02:07of those steps

00:02:07are getting these final reports from the scientists who did work this year. And so some of the initial data

00:02:13came out and we will have more, you know, finalized data in probably two months, he told us, end of

00:02:19November. And so we're looking forward to that. Nice. That's awesome. So I do want to get back

00:02:24into what you just talked about, data and the scans that you guys just did. And I know that there's

00:02:30been some releases around that. But before we get into it, I do want to take a step back and

00:02:33talk

00:02:33about, first, I think this has been a big question on my mind, and I've seen some other people point

00:02:38this out, is there is discrepancy about where the ark is and the mountains that it landed on. And I'm

00:02:43not familiar with Turkey geography very well, but I know, you know, there's the mountains, I guess,

00:02:49of Ararat, and then there's the Mount Ararat and Mount Judy. And like, there's all these,

00:02:54I don't know. So I want, if you can just talk to kind of like where it sits now and

00:02:58where it

00:02:58potentially landed and all that. Yeah. So when the Bible was written, and I believe it was by Moses,

00:03:05but whoever wrote the book of Genesis, they mentioned it is in the mountains of Ararat.

00:03:10That's in the text. Most people have focused the term Ararat to the traditional one peak,

00:03:15which itself is in the mountains of Ararat. But if you look at the term Ararat, it's referring to

00:03:20this ancient kingdom called Urartu. The kingdom of Urartu is where we get the English word Ararat.

00:03:27And so in the biblical text, when it says mountains of Ararat, it just says basically that the ark

00:03:32landed in the territory, the mountainous region of the kingdom of Urartu. So that's a pretty broad

00:03:38kingdom at its greatest extent. It was into mainly eastern Turkey, but also into Armenia and northern

00:03:44Iran, and all the way down to, you could say, close to the borders or the start of northern Mesopotamia

00:03:51in southern Turkey. So the capital was in Lake Vaan, the largest freshwater sailing lake, but the

00:03:57largest lake in Turkey, and the capital is called Tushba. And so you can still go there as a tourist

00:04:02and see the remains of this castle up on a plateau or a cliff that overlooks the lake around the

00:04:08modern city of Bonn. And so when you think of the text alone, the biblical text, it just says

00:04:14mountains of Ararat doesn't name. Of course, we have no GPS location. So because of that ambiguity,

00:04:19ambiguity, we're just looking at a territory and not actually which peak was here, this one. So people

00:04:26can then pick any peak. Now, so we're in the right area of this site, but someone's going to say

00:04:31it's

00:04:31in another mountain, they need to produce something that we can look at. But yeah, there's many theories,

00:04:36including what was in the Quran about Judi. Now, the term Judi in the Quran, which is written in Arabic,

00:04:44if the Quran was saying a specific peak, it would have said Jabal Judi, which like you have Jabal Musa,

00:04:51St. Catherine's Monastery, the traditional Mount Sinai. When they have this phrase Jabal, it means

00:04:57mountain of whatever the name is. It doesn't have that for Judi. Judi is listed as just Al-Judhi in

00:05:04the

00:05:04Quran. And according to my Islamic friends and one who's actually a professor of geography at the

00:05:10local university here in this province we're at, he said that Judi basically refers to an English

00:05:15high place or high plateau or high elevation. And it's also, just like in the Bible, a region.

00:05:23It's not one peak. And so you can't use the actual text to say, oh, it's the traditional Judi that's

00:05:29now down in Cernak province by the Iraqi border, which has a mosque there and even a tomb of Moses

00:05:35or Noah that they show you. So no, this term in the Quran, just like the phrase mountains of

00:05:41Eret in the Bible, gives you a broad region. And so that, again, leaves it open to people to find

00:05:47it wherever they want to in these territories. And so that's why you have this, not discrepancy,

00:05:54but many claims. Now, early on, the term Mount Eret was applied to the tallest peak here because

00:06:01it's the tallest peak in Turkey. And because it's the tallest mountain in the region,

00:06:06they say, well, as you know, if you think of the logic of this, it makes sense. Before they did

00:06:11geological studies, they saw this mountain. People wrote about it. It's a tall mountain.

00:06:16That has to be when Noah's Ark landed. The mountain is right outside my window.

00:06:20So when you're looking at it, you're thinking, oh, the floodwaters are going down.

00:06:24And this is before people understood plate tectonics and what could have happened during

00:06:28or after the flood with the uplift of continents. But they see this tall mountain. And before they

00:06:32understood it, it's a stratovolcano. Like, oh, the Ark has to be up there. So you had many

00:06:36conflicting eyewitness accounts. The people say it's on the north side, a horrid gorge, the south side,

00:06:42the Namik Chinese side, the east-west side. People email me all the time saying, oh, your site's not

00:06:46right. Here's a pixelated Google map photo satellite. This is our Ark. And this is the

00:06:51real Ark. So because of that, yes, you've had many people focus on the mountain up to recent times.

00:06:56Now, the shift has been towards either Judy and the south or even the interest still in the drop

00:07:02in our boat site. And that's because people have – there's also some people looking for the Ark

00:07:07and Ararat. But even creationists, those who believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago,

00:07:13there's a global flood, which I myself count as someone like that who believes that the

00:07:17Genesis is literal. Well, before the modern geological studies, everyone just saw this

00:07:25mountain as a good place for the Ark to go and hide up there somewhere, the glaciers or

00:07:29somewhere in the dirt. Now, once the studies have been published, even creationists believe

00:07:33that, hey, this is a post-flood mountain that was created after the flood. It's called a stratovolcano

00:07:40or a composite because it's made up of layers. So every eruption makes it bigger and bigger.

00:07:45So famous mountains in America, you have Mount Rainier is a stratovolcano. Mount St. Helens

00:07:50is or was a stratovolcano. Around the world, you have Fuji. You have Taranaki in New Zealand.

00:07:57These are types of volcanoes where you have that like cone shape because every eruption is building

00:08:02it up. And so it's made up of these layers of volcanic material. Now, I had one guy on Facebook

00:08:06tell me, no, the Ark is up there. And he said, even though it's a stratovolcano, the smaller

00:08:11version of Ararat is where the Ark landed on right after the flood. And so then, you know,

00:08:16what we have today at 16,000 feet, that's because, you know, yeah, of course, other eruptions

00:08:20happened. But he didn't realize what he just said. It made zero sense because if the Ark landed

00:08:25on a small volcano, let's say 1,000 feet tall, then you get to 6,000 feet. How did the

00:08:31Ark ride

00:08:31up like it's surfing, surfing the lava and the violent eruptions until it gets to the

00:08:37very top? And they claim it's up 14,000 feet or somewhere near the summit. Zero sense. So

00:08:43that's why you have these conflicts. So when the Drupanar site showed up in 1959, the aerial

00:08:47photographs, even the locals hadn't known about it for about 10 years earlier. But when it's

00:08:52on the side of the mountain, it's still in the area of mountains of Ararat. The Turks published

00:08:57the first photos in October, 1959. The site itself was announced in the news one week after it was

00:09:04discovered by Captain Drupanar. That's the name Drupanar Formation or Drupanar Noah's Ark. But it was

00:09:11the boat shape that got everyone's attention. And so as one scholar put it, if this shape had appeared

00:09:17at the base of Mount Ararat or on the side of the mountain, it would have been a sealed deal.

00:09:21Like

00:09:21people would have been like, we found Noah's Ark. But because at that time, most of the Christian

00:09:25world, those people looking for Noah's Ark, they were focused on the Mount Ararat before the

00:09:31geological studies showed that it's a post-level volcano. And so right away, when they came out

00:09:36to the site, they said, oh, the mountain's over there. How's the ark over here on this lower

00:09:41sedimentary mountains? Right away, you got pushback. And that type of negativity has been in place since

00:09:47the 60s when it was the first ground expedition. And that has been hard to overcome because you have

00:09:53creation geologists attacking it right away and saying, oh, this has to be a natural formation.

00:09:57It's in the wrong location. And so, yeah, that's some of the things we've been dealing with.

00:10:02Yeah. But from my understanding, I heard someone talk about how there was potentially like kind of

00:10:07a mudslide type situation that would have brought it potentially down the mountain.

00:10:12Yes. But there's a separate mountain. There's not the Mount Ararat, a mudslide. We're 19 miles south.

00:10:17So we have a great view from the site looking across the valley to the north to the big volcano.

00:10:22And they also have a lesser mountain beside it called Lesser Ararat. So there's two big

00:10:27volcanic cones right there. We're 19 miles across the valley up sedimentary mountains. I think they

00:10:33call it – it's part of the Tenderik Range. So on one end of the range is another volcano. We're

00:10:38in a

00:10:39volcanic area, not active. Most of these are dormant volcanoes, but a lot of seismic activity here

00:10:44and earthquakes. But the site that we're on, it is a low mountain range by the Iranian border

00:10:50made of sedimentary deposits laid down by the waters of the flood. So we have sea fossils in it,

00:10:55coral, and sedimentary rock like limestone and sandstone. And at the top of the mountain,

00:11:01it's about 8,500 feet. We're at 6,500 feet now. So the tax people make it, oh, you're in

00:11:06a valley.

00:11:06Those are people who've never been here. This is a mountain. It did slide down about 2,000 feet

00:11:12from the summit. You can see it's in an earth flow on Google Satellite. So it's part of this

00:11:17flow material that when the mountainside collapsed, who knows when, and the Turkish geologists say

00:11:21there are three different phases of this collapse. But when it did collapse, it most likely had to

00:11:26bring the arc lower because it's – the arc, the shape itself is in the middle of this mud flow,

00:11:31earth flow, landslide, whatever you want to call it. And so we're now in a little valley on the

00:11:36mountainside, but still 1,500 feet above the actual valley floor below, which is that 5,000-foot

00:11:42elevation. So we're in the mountains, but it's in a little area between two hills on the mountainside.

00:11:49But most likely, the arc did come down from higher up, from the very top.

00:11:53Okay, cool. And then I know that there's other formations around the world that are similar to

00:11:57this. I've heard some people say, well, if this one's Noah's Ark, then this other one must be Noah's

00:12:01Ark. But I've also seen – I think you guys shared a photo where it showed some other boats

00:12:04that have been found that had similar formations too. So from my understanding, and you can correct

00:12:10me if I'm wrong or tell me the science behind this, but other formations around the world like

00:12:14that could be other large vessels and boats as well, right?

00:12:18So yeah, let's back up on this though. We're not saying based on shape alone is Noah's Ark.

00:12:25That's the starting point. If you see – because the people who, for example, looking for Noah's Ark in

00:12:30the glacier or on the side of Mount Ararat, they're not looking based on any other thing

00:12:34except for shape because they're looking at photos. So they're looking for a shape themselves,

00:12:39mainly a barge, a rectangular right-angled barge. And so if they find something interesting,

00:12:44I get an email you see from someone saying, this is it, not your site. So the same with

00:12:48this site. It was started off because the shape was discovered. It was a photo, so you're looking

00:12:53at visual material. And then from there, you're going to dig into it. What is it? So yes, you'll

00:12:59find boat shapes around the world, either real boats or optical illusions or you can say these

00:13:06larger geological structures called synclines that happen to form because of folds that are

00:13:11exposed and eroded in sedimentary rocks and even lava can form synclines. But these type of

00:13:17other structures, number one, let's make sure it's in the right location. It can't be in China

00:13:21or America. It has to be in the mountains of Ararat. And let's make sure it's 300 cubits

00:13:25long, which matches in the Bible. So then that narrows down to what else? I have not seen

00:13:30one other boat shape in the mountains of Ararat that's 300 cubits long. And then you go there

00:13:35and you test the object, whether it's non-destructive scans to get you images of what's below the

00:13:40ground or what you're doing with the soil analysis, which we started in 2024 and we continue

00:13:46this year with our deep coring. So has anyone done that? They right away want to say, oh,

00:13:52but there are many other boat shapes around the world. And then they make a joke saying,

00:13:56oh, maybe Nova had a fleet of arcs. And it's very childish, I think, and immature when we're

00:14:03actually talking about, yes, it's a boat shape, but is it 300 cubits? Is it in the right mountains

00:14:07of Ararat? And do you have special characteristics with the soil? Have you done anything like

00:14:12non-destructive scans? Have you even excavated these other boat shapes? Why are you saying

00:14:16that? Now, if you look at real archaeological sites that have been proven to be boats on

00:14:21a small scale, Cano's Ark would have been the biggest wooded ship. But if you look at

00:14:25like the Sutton Hoo, it's a Viking burial ship in England, you will find that the wood decayed

00:14:30but left when they excavated down to it right before World War II. And Netflix made a movie

00:14:34about this, but you will see that they excavated out and they found all the wood gone. The fossilized

00:14:39rivets were all lined up. They found the treasure burial ship for a Viking chieftain,

00:14:43I believe. A friend just right now, he's on our team, a Salakian archaeologist. He sent

00:14:48me a story from Serbia, I believe it was. And he said on one of the rivers there, I think

00:14:54it's Serbia, I think the river was the Danube, but because of the way the river has shifted,

00:14:59it had buried abandoned wood and ships from the Roman time period. And the sand and silt

00:15:06of this burial process of the river coming across it actually captured the ship. These are, you know,

00:15:11fragile, these are wooden ships that decay. So as they captured the ship in place, kept those

00:15:16wooden ships there and not break them apart. And so when archaeologists come along this year or

00:15:21whatever, the last couple of years they were excavating these ships, they've now published

00:15:24articles and I can send them to you and you can post them for your listeners. But these articles

00:15:29basically show that these ships did not just fall apart. Think of Noah's Ark coming down the

00:15:35mountainside in that mud flow, like an R site. The ship shape is still there. They're finding,

00:15:40because of the preservation layers or sand and silt that covered it, that the hull is. And a lot of

00:15:48these ships, the wooden hull is still there and even more than that. So, you know, it all depends on

00:15:53what's going on at the site, what type of soil it is. But what it does show is that you

00:15:58can have,

00:15:58as you mentioned, other archaeological sites that are wooden ships around the world.

00:16:02The only difference is that this is exactly 300 cubits long, 515 feet. And that matches exactly

00:16:08Genesis chapter six.

00:16:10Yeah. Yeah. No, and I appreciate you covering that. I know it does seem a little trivial because it's

00:16:15like, well, we just, cause there's all these other formations around the world. It's like one,

00:16:18those could be other, other ships, but obviously they can't just be Noah's Ark just because,

00:16:22you know, even if it happens to be the same length, it's not the right location.

00:16:24So, yeah. All right. So I know you mentioned there's new radar scans and those from, from my

00:16:32own understanding and looking into this are extremely interesting because what do those

00:16:37tell the, tell us about whether this is man-made or a natural formation?

00:16:42Yeah. So again, this is a step-by-step process and no one is saying on one line, it's like

00:16:48a court

00:16:48case. You have multiple lines of evidence giving you information about a conclusion. Our theory that

00:16:53it's Noah's Ark, it was theorized by others in the last 65 years. We're not the discoverer of the

00:16:57site. What we're doing is applying modern technology, more, getting more data, doing

00:17:02things no one has done before, like core drilling. So we're just continuing the research in our own

00:17:06method and style. And what the radar is showing in one of these steps is that there is an organized

00:17:13pattern of what they call anomalies. Anomaly is something that sticks out. So think of it,

00:17:18if you have lung cancer and they do x-ray your chest, they'll notice something in the x-ray

00:17:24scan and they'll say, oh, they don't call it anomaly. I don't know what they call it, but

00:17:27you know, they'll see something that stands out like, oh, we need to take a sample of that

00:17:31to see what it is, but it looks cancerous. So the same thing with, you know, GPR, ERT, these

00:17:38different types of non-destructive scanning technology that geologists and geophysicists use,

00:17:43even archaeologists to peer below the ground as like a CAT scan and not destroy the soil.

00:17:49And so, of course, some people will say, well, you know, based on soil conditions,

00:17:52you look like clouds, you can interpret it different ways. Some of that's true. But at

00:17:56the same time, if you're getting multiple geophysical surveys with different types of technologies

00:18:01showing at the same depth and location, similar anomalies, things that stand out that doesn't

00:18:06look natural, that, you know, and over different time periods, like between five, ten years apart,

00:18:10then that should give you, like, should make you really interested in trying to find out what that

00:18:15is versus just write the whole thing off. And it's strange that people, we've even had archaeologists

00:18:20attack us saying, oh, one even said, number one, they said, we didn't have any archaeologists on

00:18:25our team. And we have four with three students. The next year will be a larger team. These are

00:18:31professional archaeologists. I've got a professional archaeologist. So they didn't even contact,

00:18:35the guy who said this is an archaeologist promoting the Shroud of Turin. And he had zero contact with us

00:18:40asking us about what we're doing or who's on our team. But he went out there on social media and

00:18:43just blasted us. And so then he was also claiming that, not x-rays, but the GPR is the worst

00:18:50thing

00:18:50to use up in the mountains in this area. And I looked it up and it seemed to be, he

00:18:55had just

00:18:55basically, because I never heard of this guy, like, interested in Noah's Ark. And suddenly he's

00:18:59making all these statements against Noah's Ark. So then I looked upon, I think it was Grok,

00:19:04and it basically repeated what he was saying, almost word for word. So I thought, okay,

00:19:07this guy did his homework by just basically running an AI question about the drop in our

00:19:12site. And then he's repeating this in his interviews. And I thought that was strange.

00:19:15But it's true. The soil condition can change how deep you can go at a site and what it can

00:19:21show.

00:19:22But the whole point is you try it and you see what happens. And so yes, it can get shallow

00:19:26results.

00:19:27It can get much deeper results. And the results can show possible man-made objects. That's why

00:19:32archaeologists use it. It's one of the tools, not the only tool. And it's one of the steps.

00:19:37So our, this year, we brought in Dr. Bakhtar, which is a different type of radar

00:19:41that basically forces the energy to almost all type of material. He has shown us where they're

00:19:47using on water. You know, traditional radar, you need dry soil and like Egypt is really good.

00:19:51But on a traditional radar, if it hits wet material or clay, it basically stops the waves

00:19:56from penetrating the electromagnetic waves. So you don't get, you basically hit a barrier.

00:20:01So you get shallow results and you can't get through that. He, he's actually likes water.

00:20:06His radar, he's showing where the U.S. Navy was using that as a test to find mines under

00:20:11the ocean, you know, salting water. And it was pinpointing the mines in this report he showed

00:20:16me. He said, he had asked me, are you a U.S. citizen? I can only show this to a

00:20:19citizen.

00:20:19Yeah. And it was not, it wasn't classified. So, but he, he then talked about how he, they

00:20:27also did a test where they put the, some radioactive material from the military. They

00:20:33were doing a test to see if they can be, if it can detect it, his radar system. And they

00:20:38put it into this like iron cage that basically stops all interference. So like, if you go inside,

00:20:42you can, uh, like nothing can know, like you're the signal inside can't escape.

00:20:46Oh, a Faraday cage.

00:20:48Yeah. I think that's what it's called. Yeah. He had this and they built it for him for his test.

00:20:51They put this radioactive material in it. And as to see what would happen, he went through

00:20:56that whole cage that was supposed to stop the signals. And he pinpointed the location of the,

00:21:01uh, the, uh, whatever it was type of, uh, radioactive material. And so then they, then they,

00:21:06then he used it on the U.S.-Mexican border for another agency looking for, uh, illicit tunnels.

00:21:11And they discovered a tunnel a 100 feet down. So our deepest data with traditional radar was

00:21:15going down 13 meters or 40 feet. And that's at the very bottom of the limitation for the 100

00:21:20megahertz antenna. But here he, he has his antenna and has seen the reports, even the, uh, the, uh,

00:21:27the 3d model he made of the tunnel. Uh, and it's a hundred feet down below the surface,

00:21:31uh, very clear, distinct, uh, high resolution, uh, cutaway view. Uh, so I had, and they showed us

00:21:37some shallow stuff where they scan graves. You see the actual, so high resolution, you can see

00:21:40the body cage, uh, the, the rib cage or the bones. And so it's, it's, uh, you know, he's working

00:21:46on

00:21:46how it works and why it works and making an article that, you know, he's well experienced.

00:21:50Um, he's not just some new guy making a claim up his initial radar. The, the, the, the military did

00:21:56test it on some, uh, to find some targets, uh, and it didn't do well on that. This was like

00:22:0120 some

00:22:01years ago. And we're using the latest version. He has fixed those issues. He said, and we even asked him

00:22:07recently what was, what happened to that test because you can Google his name and his radar

00:22:12and AI will find the old papers and say, well, you know, this, this radar, the initial version

00:22:16had some problems, but at any rate, it's been successfully used. We've seen the, the peer

00:22:20reviewed, uh, not, I don't know if it's peer reviewed, but the government paperwork showing

00:22:24these, uh, these reports he made from the different types of scans he's doing. So he has 40 years

00:22:29experience finding buried targets. He contacts us in April and, and we, after a couple months of

00:22:35figuring out contracts and costs, we finally signed them up and him and two other guys come

00:22:39out. And in the second week of August, they film out here, film, they survey out here.

00:22:44And we're just only now getting 20% of that, uh, analyzed and some of that initial results

00:22:49coming back that you've seen on the internet. And it's showing what he calls an organized

00:22:53pattern of anomalies and these anomalies, which are, you know, there's like the cancer.

00:22:57You have to figure out what they are, but he says they're not natural to that area.

00:23:00He said, I've massed out the natural terrain. You filter out the soil, the rocks,

00:23:04and suddenly you have these hotspots. They're organized. And all of these anomalies or intense,

00:23:10uh, hotspots are from the same source. And we asked him, well, what source could that be?

00:23:14He says, I don't know. He said, he said, this is in his 40 year career,

00:23:17he has not seen something like this. So he made a kind of a joke, a joke saying it's

00:23:21either Noah's Ark or a spacecraft because it's, and so then we like, you know,

00:23:25after all the joking was done, we said, okay, so what do you think really? He said, well,

00:23:29the only thing closest I've seen like this is when we were doing these new,

00:23:31these radioactive tests trying to find it, and he says, I know 100% sure there's no

00:23:35radioactive material at Noah's Ark. So these are some other type of material that he has not, um,

00:23:40seen before on his scans that are showing below the surface at the Ark site. Maybe it's a petrified

00:23:46or mineralized, uh, what you call it to go for wood. Uh, but whatever it is, it's, we've seen it

00:23:51across different layers at the same depth and different locations as he's scanning the site.

00:23:56Uh, he has seen organized patterns of voids that are pretty, they're pretty much filled with

00:24:00silt, uh, silt and sand. So it's not air pockets, uh, and then, uh, tunnels and walls going straight

00:24:07up and down, um, and right angles. And to think about some of these, uh, anomalies as he calls it,

00:24:14he says, if you're scanning the ground, you'd think, he said, normally the closer you are to the surface,

00:24:20the closer you are to where the antenna is going across the grass or dirt, that is the most intense,

00:24:24intense, uh, showing anomaly. It's like the big target there on your screen.

00:24:29And then when you find one lower and lower below the surface, the targets are smaller and smaller

00:24:34because the, the, the wave of energy hitting it, uh, it has to go through all this, you know,

00:24:38the soil and rocks, whatever. So it's going to be a less when it comes back to the antenna or

00:24:42the

00:24:42receiver and I'm using layman's terms, uh, but cause I'm a layman, but as I'm just repeating what

00:24:49he's telling us and we're seeing this on the screen cause we're seeing, so what's going on,

00:24:52and this is why he's never seen something like this because we're seeing these black or it

00:24:56depends on what color you're using on the screen to, to, to show this. But, uh, let's say it's

00:24:59the black and white version. You see this black dot, it's a huge, like, like a black mold on the

00:25:04screen and three, like up and down one spot, another spot, another spot, about 10 meters thick.

00:25:09Um, and he, then he's looking at this. He said, look at this bottom one. It's the same,

00:25:14if not a little bigger than the one right above it. He says, what does that? He, he's, he's saying

00:25:18that this is so unique because usually that the deepest target would be a smaller, um, uh,

00:25:24intensity of size and not as, uh, uh, dark or not as strong reflection as the ones near the surface.

00:25:31So this is what he's seen in just 20%. His final report, um, uh, will come out in the end

00:25:37of

00:25:37November. Now, uh, the university will announce some more things in a couple of weeks at the

00:25:41Nozark symposium. And this is happening at a local university that we're participating in.

00:25:46Uh, this is a, this is not a special one just for us. The symposium happens every two to three

00:25:50years.

00:25:50And so this year our team is presenting papers and the professor, Dr. Jenker Attila, who's the president

00:25:56of the project and the archaeologist, he will be presenting papers about what we did,

00:26:00maybe some of the initial results. And some of our other team members will be presenting papers

00:26:04from past research at the site. Uh, but we're very excited about the radar because, you know,

00:26:09the GPR from 2019, it gave us interesting data. Again, always a pattern. Uh, that's what gets your

00:26:14eye, catches your eyes that, oh, you know, if you just saw one spot, okay, it's a random, you know,

00:26:20we don't know what it is, but we see a series of right angles or, um, uh, connected voids,

00:26:25even if they're filled with silt or sand, you see this pattern, uh, straight line or one that follows

00:26:30the inside curve of what you see on the very top surface of the, the boat rim shape and the

00:26:35inside curve at the same depth, we're seeing these series of connected, uh, backfield tunnels.

00:26:40Uh, that's, that's a pattern. It's not just random noise. So now we have to figure out what they are,

00:26:45but it does give the impression that there's organized structure below the surface

00:26:50and not just random natural, uh, remains of rocks and dirt.

00:26:54Yeah. And I know, I know a different interview you had specifically said too, that there,

00:26:58this confirms there's no bedrock or limestone that is just filling this, this surface. Right. And so it

00:27:04is this, I mean, it has to be a, uh, from my understanding, right, this has to be a man

00:27:08-made

00:27:08structure. Even if it's not Noah's Ark, this has to be something under here that is man-made.

00:27:13Yeah. So, well, or they have to come up with another natural reason for the site.

00:27:17So they can keep moving the goalposts, but you know, this is what's really interesting.

00:27:21There's a number of ways to determine what's below the surface. Dr. Sali Barak Tutan, who's

00:27:25been proven right again on this, he's the Turkish geologist who has worked the site the longest,

00:27:30professional geologist retired now, but he's been working the site since 85. And everyone says,

00:27:34oh, the geologists say it's this or that. So you have other PhD geologists and they're not all

00:27:40agreeing with each other. One claims it's a, it's a solid block of limestone rock. At the very top of

00:27:45the Iranian border, there's this huge limestone bed full of coral and fossils, sedimentary rock,

00:27:49obviously laid down by flood deposits or the ancient, they call it the Tethys Sea in this area. But that

00:27:54deposit, this guy's claiming a block of that, the size of Noah's Ark, broke off, came down this earth

00:28:00flow when the mountain site collapsed, got stuck at its current location. And then over, he says,

00:28:04I don't know if it's millions of years, but over time, glaciers carved it, weathering,

00:28:08made it look like a ribs of a ship. And he peer-reviewed and got that published.

00:28:12So then another guy who has a PhD too, is a geologist. In 1996, he published an article

00:28:18basically saying it's a sin client. This guy's never been out here. And then a third theory,

00:28:22it's not published, but it's in like creation articles and it's quoted a lot. But Dr. Andrew

00:28:27Snelling and maybe John Morris, some of these creation geologists, they claim that this is,

00:28:32because it's in a valley on the mountainside, but they say that this is bedrock sticking up,

00:28:37the dirt's going around it from the earth flow, it forms an oval shape, and then people think it's

00:28:42Noah's Ark. So those are your kind of your three main explanations why it's not Noah's Ark. But

00:28:48they're all, they don't, they're not compatible with each other. These are all different theories.

00:28:51Yeah.

00:28:51And so what's interesting, we talked to Asali, this is before the core drilling,

00:28:55before our Buktar radar. He said, and I have on video explaining these scenarios and answering these

00:29:01critics. He says, number one, it's not bedrock because you're looking at the valley floor and where

00:29:06bedrock would be based on the angle of the side hills. Well, the west side has the visitor center.

00:29:11The east side is on the opposite from there. And if you look at the angle, he said, he estimated

00:29:15bedrock was about 70 meters below the debris flow. So the Ark is here, all 70 meters down bedrock in

00:29:21this valley. The other guys are saying, oh, there's this pinnacle of rock sticking up the valley

00:29:26somehow. And then the dirt's going around it. He said, look, and this area, maybe in Cappadocia,

00:29:31where you have these chimney-shaped rocks, you know, like Monument Valley or something.

00:29:36He said, you don't have that type of rock formations here. And it's illogical.

00:29:41This is before we scanned. And then he explains the whole syncline. The syncline of late,

00:29:46this is a really popular one on Facebook. Everyone's always saying, oh, I'm a geologist,

00:29:48I'm retired. That's a syncline. It'll show really nice photos or diagrams. It looks, oh,

00:29:52yeah, a syncline has this oval shape and different layers like an onion. And you're thinking,

00:29:57wow, maybe that's what it is. It's not Noah's Ark. So our core drilling, well, let me back up. Dr.

00:30:03Saleh, just from being the geologist who's worked in this area a lot from 85 onward, he said there's

00:30:08no syncline like that in this area. Number one, it's a small earthen structure, not layers of rock.

00:30:14And number two, the layering that's going on, the direction of the beds and the folds in this area

00:30:20are in the opposite direction. To form that type of oval shape, you would need the folds to go in

00:30:28a different direction than what they have. Right now it's going north-south from the Iranian border

00:30:32towards Mount Ararat. And you would need an east-west folding to create a syncline where the exposed

00:30:38rocks would be broken off or weathered. And then you get these folds. And then, of course,

00:30:46even some people say it's an anticline, not a syncline. But syncline is the dip in the fold.

00:30:51And so now you have this dipping shape and a claim that that's what we're looking at as the drop

00:30:58in

00:30:58our site. So before we did anything, any technology this year, Saleh had answered based on structural

00:31:05geology and being experienced and being on the site all these years, he answered that completely. The

00:31:11people who are using these terms and throwing them around, some of them even not even know what they're

00:31:15saying. They've never been out here. And the geologist, Professor Collins from, I don't know,

00:31:20UC San Diego or one of the ones in Southern California, you know, he wrote this paper with,

00:31:25sadly, with David Fazel, who used to think it was Noah's Ark. But at that time in 96,

00:31:30they published this paper saying it's a natural formation. Collins had never been out here.

00:31:35And so Collins wrote this. So back then you had no Google Earth, no easy access to satellite

00:31:40imagery that shows the directions of folds. And you can even see the exposed layering

00:31:44on this mountainside and what direction it's going. So this was a problem, but he got it

00:31:50peer-reviewed and published. And so that's been the thing to quote. Now, we're not going to just

00:31:54do something and then leave it alone. No, we're going to, the archaeologist really will publish

00:31:59peer-reviewed articles. And I always told Sally, because he's still alive, and in fact, he's coming

00:32:04here tomorrow, Tuesday. And so he will, I said, hey, let's make a video on site. And you again,

00:32:10clearly explain why this is not a Senn client or why it's not bedrock. So the radar was very

00:32:17important because now we have his explanation. But let's just see what we can do with radar

00:32:21and with coring. And as you mentioned, as I said before in other interviews, we hit zero bedrock

00:32:27with our 12 cores inside and the four outside. And with the radar, which went down in some places,

00:32:3395 meters, we're seeing on the screen, the depth. And it's showing, okay, we're getting data at 95 meters,

00:32:38like almost 300 feet in some locations. That location here and there where we got those

00:32:43really deep depths, Dr. Bukhtar has not seen a solid mass. And he did this before we did the coring.

00:32:48So before we even coring drilled, he said, I don't see a solid block of rock. I don't see bedrock

00:32:52near

00:32:53the surface. Then we start coring a month later. And sure enough, he's right too. We were going down

00:32:58through dirt. We've hit a couple of boulders where we drilled right through it. Only one location,

00:33:02we hit something really hard, only one hole, a five meter depth, that it broke the drill.

00:33:08And so, but the drill fell in the hole. So now we have to wait for next year to pull

00:33:12out that one

00:33:13drill bits with a larger drill that we can go around it. And then they can pull it out and

00:33:17we

00:33:18can continue drilling at that one location, see what type of material that was. The internet was,

00:33:22people were saying, oh, maybe they hit petrified wood, which is harder than limestone. Because we had

00:33:26no problem drilling through limestone or basalt. But suddenly we hit whatever that was. And

00:33:31because the drill bit fell down, we don't have a sample of the material.

00:33:35So we'll find out next year for that.

00:33:37Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I wanted to ask you about that because I think I made a post about it

00:33:41too,

00:33:41because that's what I kept seeing is everyone's saying, oh, it might be petrified wood. But are

00:33:44you guys, you're getting that tested? What were you able to get a piece to get tested?

00:33:48No, because the drill bit fell down into the hole. So there's, there's misinformation people,

00:33:53even on my own social media team, people without carefully listening to what we're saying from the

00:33:57research side that made videos and posted, ah, you know, we're going to get it tested. Yeah,

00:34:02next year. This, this, we're not, we don't have a sample of it this year. Well, we do have samples

00:34:07of in the coring. We've hit thick deposits of highly enriched organic soil material, no pebbles

00:34:13in it, no rocks, just really dark dirt, like stuff you could buy at your garden center to sprinkle on

00:34:18your, you know, put in your, your potting for your plants or your garden. So highly enriched,

00:34:23we're going to test that. Who knows what happened when, like we talked about earlier, what happens

00:34:27when a wooden boat decays? It all depends on the soil and the conditions in that area, whether it's

00:34:32going to mineralize. I want to use the term petrification because that, you could say it takes

00:34:36pressure and, you know, things like that. But if, if, if, if rocks, I'm not rocks, but if wood is

00:34:42in the

00:34:43right soil, it can become embedded with the minerals of the, of the soil around it and become

00:34:48mineralized and hard as rock almost. And so we, that could be a possibility, or if there's no

00:34:53oxygen in the soil so that the wood doesn't decay right away. And plus we don't know what is a

00:34:58gopher

00:34:58wood. Is it super hard wood or is it more spongy? You know, I really think it was the best

00:35:03wood

00:35:03possible because God designed the ark. So whatever it is, it had to survive a flood and maybe it's also

00:35:09long lasting wood. Uh, so, you know, maybe that's what we'll find down below is something that's super

00:35:14hard that takes forever to decay. Or maybe what's left after 4,000 years is just this, uh,

00:35:20rich soil that's in the shape of the boat. Like that's something who they, they excavated the whole

00:35:24Viking ship. They just found the shape of the bottom hall with all the rivets lined up still

00:35:28and the treasure sitting there in the dirt. So. Wow, man. So I know you're doing the soil testing now.

00:35:38What is this going to show us potentially? I know there's been some studies about like

00:35:41higher levels of potassium, I think inside the formation, right? Versus outside.

00:35:45Um, but talk just a little bit about that. Okay. So that's our initial study done in 2024.

00:35:51Uh, and which was really fascinating because the only reason why we did that, uh, you know,

00:35:55it's kind of like everything works and I'm a believer, a Christian. So to me, when things happen

00:36:00and it lines up, you know, it's not, for me, it's not astrology. It's God making the doors open to

00:36:05everything. And so, uh, everything lined up. So on that trip, we had a soil scientist who,

00:36:11uh, had experience, he lectures around the world about, uh, for agriculture and farming,

00:36:15but he knows how to do soil sampling and the testing. We had, uh, Bill Kravchi,

00:36:19his name is Bill Kravchi. We had him from, from Australia and his wife, um, Monique was on the

00:36:23trip. And then I brought in Dr. Salibarik Tutan, the retired geologist here in Turkey. He's been

00:36:28studying the site and believes it's the best candidate for Noah's Ark. He's told us on camera.

00:36:33Uh, so when he was on the trip, uh, we, we always take this group photo at the bottom

00:36:38of the hill with the road turns and we call it the Ron Wyatt corner because that was Ron's

00:36:42favorite spot. You see the visitor center and then the valley below, you see the, uh,

00:36:46the side of the mountain, you see the ship shape and it's, and the ship is at a four or

00:36:49five degree

00:36:50angle pointed towards the West. So you get a really good view of it from that corner.

00:36:54So we're there taking pictures and right behind us is a ship shape. And I noticed that

00:36:57the ship itself, the grass inside was yellower and outside was a light green. I told him,

00:37:02hey guys, I have two experts here, a soil scientist and a geologist. Why don't you guys

00:37:06design a test to see what's below the soil? And after going back and forth, they finally,

00:37:10we finally did it and they designed this soil test that took 88 samples from 22 random locations.

00:37:16So four from each location to get a good average of the soil there at different depths, but near

00:37:22surface. Uh, and they did this inside and outside of the boat, not knowing, you know, just because

00:37:26the grass was a good different color, maybe it's just the water, but, uh, let's just see what happens.

00:37:30And so by January of last year, we got the results back. And what it showed was inside,

00:37:35as you mentioned, was 38 times more, but, uh, 38% more potassium. But the most interesting thing

00:37:41that it was high confidence level, um, was that there is three times more organic matter inside

00:37:49this boat versus right outside. And so if you take everything together about, uh, the 38% more

00:37:55potassium, eight times difference in pH between inside and outside, and the three times more organic

00:38:00material inside versus right outside the boat, that, uh, only can be, I mean, people can come

00:38:06up with different explanations, but the, the whole thing is, it's like another line of evidence

00:38:10pointing to that this was once a giant wooden structure, whether you want to say it's Noah's

00:38:14Ark or a giant barn or zoo, it's, uh, you know, it's the shape of Noah's Ark and the size.

00:38:19But at any rate, what we can say is that wood, a giant wooden structure decaying right on site

00:38:24would do exactly what we're seeing. And the chemical results, the, the change in pH,

00:38:28the change, uh, the potassium elevated levels, because wood has a lot of potassium in it.

00:38:33And then of course, uh, wood is organic material. So when it decays, it's depositing that back.

00:38:38Well, think of Noah's Ark depositing lots of organic material back into the soil because it's

00:38:42a giant wooden boat that's decaying slowly over thousands of years. Uh, and people will ask,

00:38:47well, what, are you sure you wouldn't just been all gone the first thousand years?

00:38:51Uh, and this was a question that people say, why we should even not even look for Noah's Ark

00:38:55because they're questioning, uh, they say Noah would have used up the wood. Well,

00:38:59you know, you had four families, Noah and his three sons and their wives, uh, four families

00:39:03would not use up Noah's Ark in a generation. And then most of those people spread out around

00:39:07the world. They left the area. Uh, we don't know how soon afterwards. Uh, and the traditional

00:39:11homes right now, they use mainly rock and they have some beams for the ceiling, but the traditional

00:39:15Kurdish people live in this area, their homes are made with stones and now a cement block.

00:39:20Uh, and if you read the Bible, it says Noah was living in a tent when he got drunk. So

00:39:24whether

00:39:24that was summertime or whatever, it definitely shows that they're not going to make mansions

00:39:28and the whole cities out of wood. And so Noah's Ark, but I think the, the, the thing that really

00:39:34seals this is that thousands of years later, up to the time of Christ, ancient historians wrote

00:39:39that tourists were there coming to pilgrims, coming to see the remains. They could see it visibly.

00:39:44They didn't have to do a chemical analysis of the soil. So that means that the, the rib timbers,

00:39:48who knows what's deck, the hull of the ship, something was there that people could go see

00:39:52and talk about back in ancient times. And that just shows the Ark slowly decayed and was not

00:39:57all gone within the first or second generation after the flood. And that does brings back the

00:40:03whole idea that, okay, what's left today is because yes, it's slowly decayed. And now we have these

00:40:08elevated chemical readings in the soil. And that's giving us another liner of evidence pointing to

00:40:16this being Noah's Ark.

00:40:18Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I love that. You guys have been using some different types of cameras

00:40:21and whatnot to, to kind of look and film some different things and whatnot. I know you sent

00:40:26that gopher camera down into a hole that you guys drilled. And were you able to see anything really

00:40:31good? I know that you, there was, it was like overheating and stuff based on kind of some of the

00:40:35things

00:40:35that I heard you talking about. But with any of the cameras that you've sent in, like the actual,

00:40:39you know, video cameras, have you been able to find anything with that or would you have to come

00:40:43back and try again? It's a combination of both. You know, when you're, you bring all the equipment

00:40:48to the site because you're a pretty remote area, not like you can run down to the local hardware

00:40:52store and get a new camera. So, you know, all contingencies you're planning for, one of them was that

00:40:57what the geophysicists saw on the radar scans were empty voids, not backfilled with any type of sediment

00:41:02or rock or anything. So, we brought in three different kinds of cameras. We had our, you know,

00:41:07almost $2,000 fancy sewer camera. We got off Amazon and we brought it last year actually.

00:41:13Then we have, and it has a head on it and it can go down. It even shows the meter

00:41:16or feet,

00:41:17showing how deep you're going with it. It's a really good LED, but you can't really turn it.

00:41:22So we had that one. Then we had a company that helped us with the GPS and they were friends

00:41:26with

00:41:26Dr. Buktar and they were helping him. And the company owner had wrote some of the software for

00:41:31Dr. Buktar's radar program. And so he is also partnered with, uh, uh, the name of the company

00:41:37is, uh, Carlson and they make these, you know, survey equipment, uh, GPS equipment. And they had

00:41:43a, a, a joint venture with this other guy who, uh, invented this. They invented this camera system,

00:41:49mainly for mines and also for military. So you can drill into a cavity, stick this camera in,

00:41:54it has a camera on it. You go 360, but the biggest thing it does, it has LiDAR.

00:41:58And so the LiDAR basically is these laser shooting laser beams out thousands of times a second. So

00:42:02it makes a 3d model of the site that you can then import into our software, make 3d printed models.

00:42:09You can look at it, slice it, dice it. So it gives you exact representation of this void. If it's,

00:42:15if there is a void underground. So we brought that camera system in and they had used it in, um,

00:42:20uh,

00:42:20recent conflicts in the Middle East to find illegal tunnels on the ground. And, uh, the, the guy also

00:42:25mentioned that, you know, once we get this data, if we get into a tunnel, uh, even just going down

00:42:30the hole, they're measuring the GPS and depths, uh, very accurately so that we can now import that

00:42:36data into our maps, our, our 3d models. And so now I have a 3d model of Noah's arc because

00:42:42of the

00:42:43photogrammetry and LiDAR data. And below it, I can see our 2019 GPR hotspots results. Uh, soon

00:42:50we'll have Dr. Bakhtar's data inside, but right now I can see the 12 holes we punched through on

00:42:55the inside of the arc. And so then I can turn them all upside down and I see one hole

00:42:59going down 20

00:43:00meters. So it's like these little pins going through the surface. So I can turn it upside

00:43:04down. I'm looking at it and I'm trying to figure out like, like what level did this hole get to

00:43:08compared to the, around the area. It's quite awesome. But this camera system has that ability.

00:43:12So, you know, it's not just a sewer camera, even though sometimes I call it that

00:43:15and the company reps, uh, got mad at me. They're like, no, no, don't call it a sewer camera.

00:43:19It's official marketing term is CALS, C dash ALS. And so it's really high tech equipment. We brought

00:43:26that one, which was used because we could go down. It was small enough to go down even our

00:43:306.7 centimeter holes, which were the majority of holes were the small ones. And then if we hit

00:43:34something, we could enlarge it to make a bigger 20 centimeter hole and get the, the gopher drone go

00:43:39in, which was eight inches across. Um, so that, that was our majority of holes. We use that camera system.

00:43:44Now there's a couple of places we did hit a void. Uh, one of them with the cord drilling,

00:43:49another one was just noticed from the side of the boat and they put the, uh, uh, the, the gopher

00:43:54drone into some of these vertical shafts just to see what it, what it could find, uh, on the sides,

00:44:00you know, with the video work. And also the one that was a void that they drilled into turned out

00:44:05to be full of water and mud. So we sampled the mud, but we couldn't do much with the water.

00:44:09And of course,

00:44:10with that type of thing, you can't stick the camera into it. It's not an underwater camera.

00:44:13It's muddy anyway. So we're not going to see much, but, uh, so we did try to use it there.

00:44:18Uh, so the light are, it wouldn't work there, but then they did find a side on the eastern side

00:44:23of

00:44:23the boat formation. There are some cracks that then opened up into longer tunnels and, uh, you know,

00:44:27not big rooms, but small. And so they were trying to see what was at the end of that. They

00:44:31used both

00:44:32systems there and that's where the gopher overheated. Uh, the traction system was not meant for that,

00:44:37um, that type of dirt. And so it wasn't tested out here ahead of time. It was just brought to

00:44:41the

00:44:41site after initial test in, uh, Florida and they got it shipped in from Australia. So, uh, there's

00:44:48some changes they need to make with the traction and also a fan because it was overheating during

00:44:53the summer months here. Uh, so yeah, you know, you, you learn how that we also had companies because

00:44:58we've been in the news so much other companies contacted us and hey, you know, we can fix that.

00:45:02We have a better system. We would like to help you guys next summer. And so we're like,

00:45:05oh, okay, let's, let's see what they could bring out. So we have a lot of technology,

00:45:09I think for next year that will be planned. Yeah, no, that's really cool. When you were

00:45:13talking about like the LIDAR, like how it made the map of the ark, it made me just think of

00:45:17like

00:45:17Tony Stark with his, his technology, you know, and he's dragging everything. So I think that's

00:45:21super cool. All right. So quickly, I do want to bring up Ron Wyatt. I know you mentioned

00:45:25him a couple of times. That is someone who you did personally know. Um, and there's critics,

00:45:31right. Who say that he's a con man or, you know, his, there's just concerns with his research.

00:45:35And obviously then they're putting that onto some of the stuff that you guys are doing now.

00:45:39Um, I guess my, my question then would be kind of like, what is your response to that?

00:45:43And how do you think that your evidence even stands independently from even any of his findings?

00:45:48Yeah. Ron Wyatt, it's like the name, uh, people love or hate when you bring them up.

00:45:52Uh, and I think it, it basically comes down to, uh, he was very quick at, uh, making a statement

00:45:58and then it has taken years to prove some of them. I mean, we're still, uh, I might not be

00:46:03attacked by people who, um, uh, who say everything he said was correct. You know, I considered him

00:46:08as a child, as a child friend. Um, I think the college, he was a friend. Uh, but I was

00:46:13somebody

00:46:13who I was questioning and asking and, and really enjoyed talking to him because he had obviously

00:46:18done a lot of trips to this area of the world and I never did zero at that time. Uh,

00:46:22and plus,

00:46:22he was, um, this really interesting man to talk to, very humble man. That's one thing I want to say.

00:46:27He, he, he, he gave all glory to God, whether you accepted his conclusions or not. Uh, he was

00:46:32very humble about it all and always wanted to talk about salvation and winning souls for Christ.

00:46:37It was like his whole goal. Now about his findings, you know, if you look at, uh, this site,

00:46:43some people wanted to attach his name to it because he made it very popular. He did the pioneering research,

00:46:47but the site is called the drop in our site and mainly Turkish literature, even the United States,

00:46:50because it was discovered not by Ron. In fact, he saw his first knowledge of the site was in, um,

00:46:56reading the, um, uh, what do you call it? The life magazine article from September 5th, 1960.

00:47:03And so that, uh, uh, just showed the people who they want to fight over who found what I think,

00:47:08look, it was discovered by drop and our Ron did the pioneering work. We're continuing it. So no one's

00:47:12trying to replace someone else. Let's just leave it at that and move on. But, uh, so, but his name,

00:47:19so I look, when I talked to him as a kid, uh, there's hours and hours over a decade,

00:47:23I would talk to him from early 1990 or 91 until he passed away in 99. And, uh, same with

00:47:29David

00:47:29Fazzled, uh, from the early nineties until 98, when he had passed away, I would talk to him a lot

00:47:33on

00:47:33the phone and he was an early researcher on the arc site and that changed his mind. And then they,

00:47:37there's even evidence that he went back to believing that it's Noah's arc. But a month before he died,

00:47:41he was posting on the internet, these things. Um, so, uh, my opinion is that, um, Ron was going with

00:47:49that where the data was leading him, but he was, uh, good at making a, uh, a conclusion

00:47:54or interpretation that's taken that other people would maybe take longer to conclude.

00:47:59So an example would be, uh, he saw some, you know, what he thought was inscriptions on the

00:48:04border, which was very near where he proposed the original landing. So right up there by the

00:48:07Iranian border, like a mile away, 2000 meters higher or 2000 feet higher on the mountainside.

00:48:13Now, many people tried to prove that because he had some initial photographs showing maybe part

00:48:16of the boat shape and it was on the Iranian border marker. And that was very exciting.

00:48:21Uh, in 2022 or 21, I can't remember, but somewhere during that pandemic and post pandemic air,

00:48:29uh, I finally got permission with the Turkish government. And they said the permission went

00:48:33all the way to Ankara to get this permission, but I flew a drone up there. So I met the

00:48:37commander

00:48:37twice and we saw that the markers are still there, but half the marker on the north and south side

00:48:42belongs to Iran. The actual border markers with blocks of rock and cemented in and barbed wire

00:48:48around it. And on the, and the north side of the marker is, so half of this is Iranian and

00:48:52the north

00:48:53side is the, um, Turkish markers. Now, all the Turkish markers, you see this, uh, black paint,

00:48:59like it's in our number. I don't know what you call our number system, but it's not Latin, Roman

00:49:04numerals, whatever, one, two, three, you know, so you see like, this is, uh, we documented from,

00:49:09uh, 64, 65, 66, 67, four of these. Um, and then when I flew the drone, this was the crazy

00:49:16part.

00:49:16I had the commander and his bodyguard and then the archaeologist and another government official

00:49:21from Turkey beside me watching. And I'm flying my drone across the border. And the guy is telling me,

00:49:27okay, no video of the border, no broad photos. I only take photos of the object, like what you're

00:49:32trying to, and we're trying to get the Iranian side of the subject. And I'm assuming that the

00:49:36Iranians know we're doing this. I don't want to lose my drone or them, uh, shoot it down or,

00:49:40you know, electronic. Yeah. I'm thinking, okay, I guess somebody talked to them about what we're

00:49:43doing. Uh, but I, so I'm now flying my drone to Iran and I'm taking pictures of the other sides.

00:49:49And so I got four photos of most of these markers at four sides and just to study, you know,

00:49:53because the stuff that Ron saw, he was, it's on the Iranian side, the south side. And so when I

00:49:58ended up

00:49:58looking at it, it showed that, uh, the data, like what he thought were numbers,

00:50:02not numbers, but what he thought were in a petroglyphs, you know, picture writing turned

00:50:06out to be a Farsi numbers, modern Farsi numbers, which, uh, like the number, uh, five in Farsi

00:50:11is an upside down heart and the part was broken off. So now you think it's a pointed part of

00:50:16the

00:50:16ship going down. And, um, actually in fact, I didn't even have to fly my drone to conclude this.

00:50:21The local guy told me, Hey Andrew, I knew about this a long time. I didn't want to tell you,

00:50:24I thought you'd take it the bad way. And I said, no, I'm going with the data goes, whether,

00:50:28you know, Ron White's proven correct on this or not. It doesn't affect the ship,

00:50:31what we're doing on the ship. But, uh, when you look at his old photographs,

00:50:35you can actually zoom in and you can see that it does curl up the bottom part. So it does

00:50:39form

00:50:39half the heart shape. Again, the heart shape is a five in Farsi. Uh, so, uh, that was number 65

00:50:45marker that we're looking at. And on the Turkish side, you see 65, you go to the Iranian side,

00:50:49you see the broken, uh, on Ron's photo, you see this broken half heart shape. Now what they have

00:50:54is a spray painted in black too. They just, um, really just put the numbers in Farsi and some

00:50:59of the Farsi numbers are very similar to Arabic. So you have what looks like maybe a bird. So Ron

00:51:02thought he saw a bird, but his reconstruction of the bird didn't even match his photograph of the

00:51:07carving or the spray painted. Uh, you know, he was adding details. If you actually take what it's

00:51:12there, you can realize, okay, that's a Farsi number three or four, you know, or number six or something.

00:51:17So, yeah. So that was just, and I, that's a, this is a point where I like, I'm not,

00:51:21I'm just going with the data goes. I, um, I have high respect for Ron. Um, those who want to,

00:51:25I never saw though him as a charlatan or, uh, making fake claims. I saw stuff, okay,

00:51:31maybe he misinterpreted data here and there. And, um, but it doesn't affect what we're doing on this

00:51:35site and what we're getting with the soil results and the radar and like the site is still 300 cubits

00:51:40long and he didn't make that up. You know? So, uh, and so that's an example, you know,

00:51:45there's other claims and I think each one you take individually and say, okay, what,

00:51:48what is there? Does it make sense? But in regards to Noah's arc, uh, yeah,

00:51:53I have no problems with the site and I believe all the evidence like a court case is again,

00:51:57lining up that this is the actual site. Yeah, no, I appreciate you talking about that

00:52:02and going through kind of that. Cause it's a claim. I see both sides of it. You know,

00:52:05the people saying it's, it's all about Ron Wyatt. He's the man. He did it all. And other people

00:52:09completely condemning him. So I appreciate you kind of giving us that insight there. Um,

00:52:13I do want to talk about two, uh, kind of just next steps. And then I just have two quick

00:52:18questions from my audience that I want to make sure we get to, but first just what are the next

00:52:22steps next by, like, you know, I know you're growing out another season and kind of what does

00:52:25all that look like? Um, and even quickly too, we didn't talk about this at all, but something I had

00:52:29was even studying for potential ancient animal DNA. I saw something about that. So just kind of talk

00:52:34about next steps. Okay. Well, we'll do this quick, uh, next steps. Uh, there's a lot going on.

00:52:40Uh, obviously we're waiting for final results for the season. No, what we threw it, like when they

00:52:45said, let, when the professor came to me and said, okay, what do you want to do? I just threw

00:52:48everything in. That didn't mean we had the budget or the time for it, but I wanted to get the

00:52:52approval.

00:52:52So then we ended up getting approval for everything. And I'm like, okay, now we got

00:52:56to fundraise and pay for it. And do we have, we didn't have the time to do all this, the

00:52:59right,

00:52:59we had to find the right, you know, scientists and companies, uh, to do the work. And that took

00:53:04a while with the coring to get the dry coring. It took us a long, long time to get the

00:53:07right

00:53:07company in place at the very end, like the last week of the sea of the field season.

00:53:12Uh, so the next steps are very dependent on what we find this year, but also we will throw in

00:53:17stuff we did. We couldn't get to this year that we'll put in next year. So more non-destructive

00:53:21scans, more high, uh, high-tech, uh, methods that haven't been used on the site. Some have been

00:53:26used, but with now we have newer models or newer software. So those are some of the things, um,

00:53:31we didn't do all the coring we want to do. Uh, but that was a, you know, a very intense,

00:53:34uh,

00:53:35but we have now other companies saying, Hey, we could do it better. And we have, you know,

00:53:39better tools. We're in talks with, uh, many vendors, uh, including the ones we had out this year,

00:53:45the Turkish companies. Uh, so it's, it's becoming, uh, and then I just got news this morning

00:53:50and something really spectacular that we'll announce, uh, July. I just hit the same foot

00:53:54that way that it is. So, uh, I've never thought we'd get to the stage that what I was told

00:53:59this

00:53:59morning and blew my mind. And I'm like, wow, uh, this is like a dream come true. But, um, so

00:54:05that's,

00:54:05but the person who told me this said, uh, hold off till July before you announce it. Cause they,

00:54:10they, there's a couple of steps they have to do. And then, uh, it's not like confirmation.

00:54:14It's just some of the things we want to do that, uh, they, they said we can do it. Uh,

00:54:19so that's coming up in July, the announcement and April, May, we're going to announce the final,

00:54:24the findings, hopefully with this season's data to continue then to next. And then we also have

00:54:30an announcement coming up about excavations near right near the site that the, um, the local

00:54:36province, uh, is, will be handling, but we'll be under them. And so there's like multiple things going on,

00:54:41not just on the site itself, the boat shape, but right beside it. And then the region.

00:54:46So there's like this, like, like an onion, there's different layers, different things going on that,

00:54:50that the professor has already applied for the permits and based on his connections and what

00:54:55people already said, and the governor publicly supporting next year's projects. Uh, we were quite

00:55:00sure, you know, of course everything could fall apart, but we're quite sure we will, uh, continue to

00:55:05work on the site and be able to do all this other stuff nearby to give us a big picture

00:55:09of what's

00:55:10going on in that region right after the flood. So not just, is this Noah's Ark, but who is living

00:55:14there right afterwards? Does it match the chronology and history? What was going on down

00:55:19the valley floor? Uh, you know, this is an unstudied or an area that hasn't been really

00:55:23studied because of past, um, security and instability issues out here. So professional archaeologists and

00:55:29scientists have kind of ignored this eastern province. And of course we're, it's very important

00:55:33to us because we believe Noah's Ark is in this area. So, um, that's kind of the next stuff coming

00:55:38up.

00:55:38Uh, what was your other question? Just about the animal DNA. Are you guys looking into that?

00:55:43Yeah. So really quick on that one, we have an unnamed company already signed with us.

00:55:47They will later, they're seeing how it goes and, uh, maybe because of PR, you know, so they're an

00:55:52unnamed company that has a technology and experience to do this type of study. And they are still with us.

00:55:58They've, uh, they put in some money initially, uh, didn't pay for the full budget. Uh, but they,

00:56:03they've, uh, they're going to financially support us and we know that means they're sticking with us.

00:56:07And, uh, they will get to a point where they will do some studies just to see if there is

00:56:11animal DNA

00:56:11or just get to the point next year where we, we get more samples for them. But yes, we have

00:56:17in our

00:56:17partnership, a company that can do it. They are involved with, um, they call it D D extinction

00:56:23or something of species where something, an animal is gone extinct. If they can find the DNA,

00:56:28they can resurrect it, you know, kind of thing. So, uh, you know, once the name comes out,

00:56:33people will know who they are and it was not, not an uncommon name, this company.

00:56:38So they're out, they're out there. But, uh, anyways, I can't say it legally, but, uh, they're

00:56:41involved and they're, uh, they're actually, they're Christian. The leader of the company,

00:56:45I didn't know that until I did another zoom call with him. And he said, well, I'm a Christian.

00:56:49I was like, oh, okay, that's great.

00:56:51So, um, but he's a multi, a multi-billionaire. And so they're interested in our work and helping

00:56:56part of it. And, uh, they can do some of the stuff like the ancient DNA test, um,

00:57:02professionally. So yeah, yeah, that's awesome. All right. Real quick here. Um, I actually,

00:57:07I'm going to skip one of the answers was what biblical evidence do you believe supports

00:57:10identifying this as Noah's Ark, but I think we've gone through enough data and talked about the

00:57:13mountains and all that stuff to kind of answer that question. So that was one of the size,

00:57:16the shape. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Submitted by the audience. The second one is more personal.

00:57:20And it was, if you felt led to, if you felt led by the Lord to begin researching this site,

00:57:25um,

00:57:26and kind of what brought you into that? Well, like the personal journey, it was more personal,

00:57:31not, Hey, I'm going to make this into something like I'm talking to podcasters and Fox news or

00:57:35something. Uh, you know, as a kid, I just was into history and archeology. I grew up as a believer

00:57:40of a strong, uh, conservative Christian home, um, morning and evening worship, pray before bedtime,

00:57:45pray before meals, you know, go to church, uh, every week, you know, so you grew up in this

00:57:49environment where the stories of the Bible are real. They're not fables. Um, and you know,

00:57:53all the details. And so, uh, uh, my brother and I, I remember I made this paper model arc and

00:58:00then

00:58:00my brother and I, we put these little plastic farm animals in, you know, that was, that's how we

00:58:03played, you know, besides cowboys and Indians would play like, uh, Bible stories, recreate the Bible

00:58:08stories. Uh, so that was a strong background. So when I heard that Noah's Ark could have been found,

00:58:13and this was in middle school and I was a nerdy bookworm back then and maybe still am, but I,

00:58:17I,

00:58:17I just had to learn more about it. So then I called Ron and I started talking to him and

00:58:22the people who

00:58:23worked with him in the past, like David Fazel and then Dr. Bill Shea. Uh, and then I talked to

00:58:28people

00:58:28who, uh, their email or this is before email, actually early nineties, like write letters and

00:58:32faxes to people who didn't believe Ron. And so that was kind of my interest and just kind of a

00:58:39slow

00:58:39journey. And to me, it was all, it's like a puzzle. Like Ron, you hear the stories of Ron trying

00:58:43to do this

00:58:44and that and being stopped. And he always wanted to excavate, never did by the time he passed away.

00:58:48So to me, it was an unfinished story. The site is at Noah's Ark. Like all the data is really

00:58:53suggestive. And, you know, and I personally believe it is, but then like, how do you convince

00:58:57hardened critics? If you ever do, uh, what do you present to people who are asking about it?

00:59:01So I always wanted, I'm a very visual guy. So I wanted to get more data and I made slideshows

00:59:06and

00:59:06started doing talks. And then that led to giving tours because people want to come out here and see

00:59:10what I'm doing or, or just go to places I've been to many times, uh, you know, in Turkey and

00:59:14across the Middle East. So that kind of led to a small tour business, uh, to support me. And so

00:59:18I left the IT business completely right around the time of the pandemic. And then I just started doing

00:59:23the tours after the pandemic stopped and everything opened up again. Uh, and that was the journey.

00:59:28And then I got more, by living here, I got more involved with the academic community here and the

00:59:32professors in the local university and others who worked on it in the past, like Dr. Bayrik Tutan.

00:59:37And that led to where we are today because I ran into someone who knew this professor

00:59:42and that, you know, obviously God was leading and I believe in the opening the doors to get

00:59:47to the right person who could do the work. But that was, uh, it was not like a hot moment,

00:59:52like, you know, road to Damascus where you have a light and a dream and, and God says, work on

00:59:56Noah's

00:59:56Ark. You know, it was just a lifelong passion, personal, that just slowly, because I was pushing,

01:00:01trying to find things and maybe God saw that perseverance and also tenacity and I didn't give up.

01:00:07I'm just keeping at it and it's okay. I'll reward that because, uh, obviously it's all God who

01:00:13brought everything together this year. And for next year, uh, there's nothing really I could say,

01:00:17like, what did I do? Uh, so I just, you know, become available and God then, um, opened the way

01:00:22to do what we could do here on the site. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that. I think, you know,

01:00:28the Lord is, uh, he does so many things behind the scenes and in ways that, you know, we never

01:00:32fathom or understand. And he does, you know, give us the desires of our heart in many ways,

01:00:36too. And you have a passion for this. And, and this is obviously something that points people

01:00:39back to him. This is going to point people to go keep going back to Genesis and read about the

01:00:43Ark and read about these things. It's going to, you know, bring to God. And we're living in the

01:00:45days of Noah. Yeah. Like it's perfect timing. I've never seen something viral like this happen.

01:00:50Yeah. And one of my favorite verses is, uh, it's in, it's Proverbs, I think 16, 9,

01:00:55and depends on what version you read, of course, how it's worded. But one of the favorite words,

01:00:59wording is more modern English, where it says, like, in a man's heart, he plans his course,

01:01:03but God directs his steps, paraphrasing. And, and so like, uh, you know, I had a dream just on a

01:01:08personal level, maybe, and maybe telling friends, but then God's making those steps work out to,

01:01:14you know, to make it happen on a bigger scale, this research, and to bring in the right people to

01:01:18do it.

01:01:18So, yeah. Well, I love what you're doing. Uh, this is super exciting. Obviously, you know,

01:01:24when all the research and data is said and done, if it comes to be something else other than Noah's

01:01:28Ark, I know you're going to be honest with that, but obviously the hope is that it is Noah's Ark.

01:01:32And, you know, we're all, you know, well, at least I'm hoping for that. And I think that would be

01:01:35amazing and such a testament to the Lord and bringing people to Christ and just such a cool discovery to

01:01:40show that the Bible is real. God is real. And, uh, all of that. Uh, is there anything,

01:01:44I know I appreciate you staying a little longer here. Is there anything else you wanted to say before we

01:01:48go?

01:01:49Uh, keep it in prayer. They can follow us of course on Noah's Ark scans, uh, on our media and

01:01:53website, Noah's Ark scans.com. Uh, pray for these media interviews, you know, doing live on Fox was

01:01:59nerve wracking. Uh, but, uh, I, I have a one, it was tentative now they haven't said yes, but they

01:02:04also asked us to do it. Uh, Pierce Morgan interviewed tomorrow night. So I see him as a, uh, kind

01:02:10of going

01:02:10at me. So, uh, hope I have the right answers. I don't know if he's a believer or not, but

01:02:14at least he will

01:02:15ask the hard questions. So, uh, so pray for that. It's not, it's not supposed to be a panel, which

01:02:20I

01:02:21hate, which, you know, those, the, those debates where they just try to generate heat. Uh, but, uh,

01:02:26I think it's a sit down, which would be virtual for me, but, uh, let's just see. But anyways, keep

01:02:30that in

01:02:30prayer for you and your audience. And, uh, that's about it, you know, we'll keep you updated.

01:02:34Yeah, for sure. Well, I'll put your information in the description as well. So people can check out

01:02:37Noah's Ark scans if they want to donate or check out the tours, any of that stuff will include that.

01:02:41But yeah, definitely we'll be, we will be praying. I'll be, and you know, my audience,

01:02:44we can be praying, um, for what's to come and for your interviews and all that. And that ultimately

01:02:48that, you know, God gets the glory. So thank you, uh, Andrew for, for the work that you're doing.

01:02:53Thank you for having me on. I'm always happy to share with everyone and we'll keep you updated.

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