He Went From Selling Drugs to Building the Bible

Cliff Buell

Sean Sutton went from selling drugs and hitting one of the lowest points of his life to finding his way back to Jesus and eventually creating Bible Bricks. In this interview, Sean shares his powerful testimony, the surprising inspiration behind his Bible-based building sets, and how he’s using business to help families engage with Scripture.  Connect With Bible Bricks here: Website: https://biblebricks.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/biblebricksofficial/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/biblebricksofficial/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@biblebricksofficial YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BibleBricks777/  Are You Going To Heaven OR Hell?👇 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmENeLZzb4&t=2s  All Important Links: https://linktr.ee/cliffbuell  Become A Channel Member: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3ap1CNrpXD-O0wWPANhQvw/join  Connect With Me: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CliffBuell Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cliffbuell/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cliffbuell  #christian #jesus #god #bible #reaction #lego #biblebricks #drugs #testimony #freedom #love  FAIR USE DISCLAIMER This video may contain copyrighted material that has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is used for purposes of criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, research, or education, which constitute “fair use” under Section 107 of the Copyright Act. I do not claim ownership of any copyrighted material used in this video. All rights and credit go directly to their respective owners. This content is transformative in nature — adding new meaning, commentary, or context — and does not substitute for the original works. If any copyright owner has concerns or would like material removed, please contact me directly and I will resolve the matter promptly.

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00:00so i started selling weed and acid and shrooms and eventually i started staying in the abandoned

00:05apartment stealing for food one day i was actually doing acid alone in this abandoned apartment the

00:11maintenance came by to fix up the apartment i sneak out tripping on acid where do i go what i

00:15do she picks me up got me some food her showing me the love of christ in a really practical

00:20way

00:20that shattered just the way i thought about everything these kids couldn't pay attention

00:24to my super cool awesome presentation but they're able to like be engrossed for hours on what most

00:30people consider the most boring part of the bible the tabernacle and that blew my mind for our first

00:34kickstarter we raised a little under a quarter of a million for the tabernacle set the mission of bible

00:39bricks is that god loves you and more than that god likes you as a human and he wants to

00:45be with you

00:46all right i'm here with sean sutton the owner and creator of bible bricks i'm going to call them

00:54biblical or bible based or christian legos i know they're not technically legos and probably

01:00legally you're not allowed to call them legos but just so people know what we're talking about

01:03yeah they are um they are christian themed building bricks just like legos um biblically accurate and uh

01:12man such a cool cool product uh and i think it's necessary in the homes of christian not even just

01:20christian families and kids but as an adult like i love legos and so i think adults can appreciate

01:26them as well so christians who like legos are gonna love bible bricks but we'll get into all that uh

01:32sean

01:33i want you to just start by telling us just a little bit about yourself your testimony and then we'll

01:38get

01:38into all the juicy details about bible bricks all right man uh my testimony a little bit i was raised

01:45in a christian household uh really awesome mom my dad passed away when i was young uh from drug overdose

01:53i'm sorry so yeah that was that was tough when i got older but yeah born in virginia my mom

02:00moved

02:00us to arkansas soon after that happened because and arkansas was more of the christian side of my

02:06mom's family and so got us here got me into a nice christian school and a good church community at

02:13this really fun mega church that i went to growing up um but yeah so i grew up in church

02:19my whole life

02:20you know sunday morning all day wednesday night stuff everything right and you know did that for

02:30years and you know as i got older you know i i kind of had the feeling that like my

02:36faith feels

02:36kind of fake like it's just like a cultural thing uh everyone was just we're just going on mission

02:41trips and doing all these things but like we're still like having you know all of these hidden sins

02:47that we just held on to and like weren't ready to give up and but i was always terrified of

02:54going to

02:54hell you know so i was like god please forgive me my sins please don't send me to hell for

02:59all of

02:59eternity um and so like when i was six i backtracked a little bit when i was six you know

03:05me and my mom

03:06were like visiting my dad's grave and which is pretty heavy of course i'm like so like what what is

03:12what

03:12is this what happens when you die and she said well you know your dad made a lot of mistakes

03:18but he he

03:19trusted in jesus and so we believe he'll be in heaven one day i'm like heaven sounds sweet better than

03:24the

03:25alternative so you know i got dunked uh so i got baptized when i was like sixth and growing up

03:31in

03:31christian school having this kind of fake faith and growing up my mom actually she shared that my dad

03:37passed away from heart failure actually uh for a long time because technically when he overdosed he was

03:43on life support and when you're taking off life support your heart fails so technically true but like

03:50she was trying to protect me from the that kind of harsh and sad reality yeah and so i learned

03:55that

03:55yeah i learned that in high school she told me about that and then you know i had one of

04:01my grandparents

04:02died one of my uh cousins got shot up in iowa he was in a gang doing these things and

04:09so yeah my junior

04:10and senior year were really tough and that led me to kind of seek comfort in just partying and all

04:18of

04:18these things so starting to get into that scene then college came went to the university of arkansas

04:22for my first year and then you know got into smoking weed and i'm like i love this this is

04:30great um

04:31you know self-medication and loved it but couldn't afford the hobby so i started selling weed and acid

04:38and shrooms and i was big into all that stuff and you know at one point in my freshman year

04:45i had the

04:45conscious thought in my mind i said god like i don't even know if you're real honestly but i think

04:51i'm doing pretty good on my own so i'm good i told god i'm good i don't need this and

04:57god pretty much

04:58just said all right good luck with that like i'm not going to force you to do this with me

05:04and so after

05:06my freshman year i decided to take a gap year uh and i think i'm going on like year seven

05:11or eight of my

05:11gap year now um but i said i'm gonna take a gap year figure out what i want to do

05:17and i was just

05:18living in an apartment with some guys doing drugs all day really doing nothing um and then there's a

05:24bunch of bad influences around at that point and they were just like teaching me how to steal you know

05:30from stores to get like free money for gas and you know and all these things and i pawned off

05:36like my

05:37nice camera to re-up on drugs to sell and someone stole my laptop my nice mac and then i

05:44totaled my

05:44car and one of the guys i was living with stole all my drugs and all my cash and that's

05:49my livelihood

05:51and then eventually the guy i was living with kicked me out of the apartment so and i had broken

05:58my iphone

05:58at this point so i had just like a cheap phone i got at the store and so and i

06:04wasn't really welcome

06:04at home uh my stepdad came into the scene when i was maybe 13 or 14. uh he was great

06:10but we didn't

06:11really see eye to eye for a long time um and i wasn't really welcome at home because i was

06:16smoking

06:16cigarettes and you know stepdad said like no you're not gonna like do that around here and of course i

06:21reeked like weed like all the time and so it wasn't welcome there so i kind of just couched out

06:27for a

06:28little bit and eventually you know that wasn't working out with the number of people so i started

06:34staying in the bando the abandoned apartment uh at this apartment complex you know it was just

06:39where people do drug deals and all this stuff and so the the lock was broken in so i just

06:44went in i

06:45took a chair put up against the door to keep it locked and just living in there and stealing for

06:52food and all these things uh really just the lowest of the low and one day i was actually uh

06:59doing acid

07:00alone in this abandoned apartment and that day that i happened to do that the maintenance came

07:06by to uh fix up the apartment the one i was in and the one across i'm like oh no

07:12uh so i was like

07:14looking at the people or the eye hole and then they go to the one across and then i sneak

07:18out tripping on

07:19acid like tripping sack and i get out and then like like where do i go what i do all

07:25of my friends at

07:26that point uh obviously weren't really around yeah and one of my actual buddies he was actually

07:33at camp as a camp counselor but his girlfriend was around i'm like hey hannah like i'm in a really

07:39bad

07:39place like could you come pick me up and she did she picks me up she took me to sonic

07:44got me you know

07:46some food i hadn't had like a real meal in like a while and and then she took me to

07:51her place let me

07:52take a shower get a fresh change of clothes on and gave me a safe place to just chill come

07:57down

07:58and figure something out and that for me was my turning point and kind of my framework because

08:06before that i was super prideful i thought i knew it all but her showing me the love of christ

08:11like in

08:12a really practical way like yeah that shattered uh my self-image and just the way i thought about

08:21everything yeah so eventually one of my buddies he he lets me stay with him for a while then i

08:28get

08:28back into i was quite humbled by this whole experience so i was looking back into religions

08:33and stuff and eventually uh i was looking at new age and all these things but eventually uh jesus

08:39pulled me back and changed my life there's a lot more to that story but that's uh really how you

08:46know

08:46i went from growing up with that childhood faith losing it because it wasn't a deep faith

08:53and god bringing me back after letting me experience the natural results of my choices

08:59yeah no man thank you for sharing it's definitely powerful i was reminded of uh the proverb that says

09:04there's a way that seems right to the man but in the end it leads to destruction and and you

09:07were

09:07thinking like man i know better i know what how to live my life what to do but you saw

09:11the destruction

09:12that you making those decisions led to um but you know god is good he's gracious he's merciful and

09:17like he pulled you back and and you know you were able to know that you could reach out to

09:21someone

09:22who knew christ and then was able to show you that love and i think you you made a very

09:25good statement

09:26of saying like the practical love of christ you know we can tell people jesus loves them all day and

09:30he does it's true but we are called to be his hands and feet as well and to actually practically

09:35love

09:36people extend ourselves and help people uh however we can and so you know i love that someone was able

09:42to do that they were used by the lord to do that and eventually you know lead you back and

09:46uh you

09:47know wake you up to to the lifestyle or like the life you were in and and help you get

09:51back there so

09:52man thank you for sharing it and i can say too i can definitely relate to like i grew up

09:55in the church

09:55as well kind of having that like fake faith secret sins and then once you kind of get out on

10:01your

10:01own like i did some partying and stuff too and just like trying to live life on your own and

10:06so

10:06our stories are definitely different but similar themes in that way of like man like when you just

10:10grow up in the church there's a point where it has to be real to you it has to be

10:14authentic and you

10:14have to choose that say i'm going to follow the lord and you know i'm going to make this conscious

10:19decision as opposed to just growing up in it so man but thank you for sharing that so you know

10:24further down the line now you're a believer and how did bible bricks come about how was it like

10:30you know i'm going to create basically legos but they're going to be all christian stories or bible

10:36stories and themes yep yeah man so after i came back to the faith uh i was a very zealous

10:43christian

10:43i was a very legalistic and hardcore christian let's go as can be the case for a lot of people

10:49yeah um but i was back in church i was in ministry at this point you know telling everyone how

10:54terrible

10:55they were how they need to change their lives um but thankfully that's a whole nother part of my

11:00testimony about god changing my mind in that way but yeah uh in october of 2024 i was actually at

11:07a

11:07church camp and i was a speaker among a few others there and i was i thought i was giving

11:13a super

11:14awesome presentation like fire and my powerpoints were on point you know good delivery all these things

11:20the adults and the teenagers and like the older kids like they're able to pay attention and follow

11:25you know with my cool powerpoints um but like a lot of the kids were like super bored they were

11:32just

11:32like counting ceiling tiles or just like sleeping i'm like dang um but then i went outside like right

11:39after that and one of my buddies hero he actually brought his lego minecraft set and he was out at

11:46a

11:46bench outside and he was actually trying to build the tabernacle with it um and a bunch of other kids

11:52were like all around and like super into it and i'm like wait a minute like these kids couldn't pay

11:59attention to my super cool awesome presentation on cool topics interesting exciting topics but they're

12:06able to like be engrossed for hours on what most people consider the most boring part of the bible

12:12right the the tabernacle all these instructions for you know things that people normally skip over

12:17in their yearly bible reading plan um and that blew my mind i'm like okay like this has to be

12:24a thing

12:25and so i google i see like christian legos and i found like a few things that were like pretty

12:31low quality

12:31and just didn't look good or nice and i've been doing some entrepreneurial stuff before this like

12:38print on demand t-shirt shop that was terrible and you know a few other things but i'm like let

12:45me just

12:45see if i can make this happen so i just started the process and god opened one door after the

12:50other

12:50and just really led the way um i don't know if we want to get into that but yeah it's

12:56it's been a really

12:56fun process for sure yeah i do want to circle back to that actually but i do want to talk

13:01for for

13:02anyone who doesn't know kind of more about bible bricks specifically with you know what currently are some

13:07of the sets that you've successfully created that are you know available and and let's talk about

13:13those a little just to give a little bit more context to it and then kind of go back to

13:16how

13:16more of this came to fruition yeah so the first set we did because my buddy was trying to do

13:22the

13:22tabernacle that was the one i just started out of just kind of impulsively and so i was like pretty

13:28far down development with that and some people like i'm like hey what do you think about this business

13:32idea and they're like i like it like why the tabernacle why not like a nativity set or this

13:39you know and i'm like it's like i've already come this far though yeah i was already planning to

13:46kick start i was i was too deep um and then i kind of justified it to myself like well

13:50if we can make

13:51the most boring part of the bible interesting and be able to sell that we should be able to sell

13:55anything yeah i mean it's fair it's logical yeah so this is our first set the tabernacle it's quite

14:03large um really fun because you can open up the top see all the stuff inside it's really neat a

14:10lot

14:10of people get nervous when i touch the ark of the covenant piece i i'll stop you for a second

14:16too

14:16because i know i've i've heard you talk about like the quality of the sets before and how you know

14:20obviously like you know lego's a multi-billion dollar company they're top quality right but you

14:25have been able to come very close to that quality despite you know being limited in resources and

14:31funds and not having a team of thousands of people to help you it's you're still touching really good

14:35quality but even you just holding up the box it's like you can tell even in the presentation like this

14:39is a quality like you know i don't for people who don't know like even in the lego world people

14:43resell the boxes they resell every little piece of lego because the collectors want everything and so

14:49even the quality of the boxes is important to people so bringing in a product into that space

14:53just because it's christian doesn't i mean one i think that we should be then trying to match the

14:57quality like you're doing right we should try to do the best we can to honor the lord with with

15:01their

15:01work so to see even the box is like man this is it's well printed it looks quality it's like

15:06something

15:06that for a collector it's like i would even set the box up on my shelf to display it so

15:11i just love that

15:11i just want to point that out as i saw it yeah man i'm not trying to make this a

15:15big i'm not trying to

15:16make it a bible break and i was just i'm being genuine in what i'm saying for everyone watching this

15:20like he's just

15:20trying to sell me bible bricks it's like yeah you should buy them but i think they're cool thank

15:25you man yeah we spent really a lot of time just because that's the thing i i scoured the internet

15:31looking i looked at all the off-brand legos and you know mattel and there's just a bunch out there

15:38now

15:38and like getting them checking out the brick quality finding out who produces what where you know

15:43everything's made in china pretty much um and so i had narrowed it down to like two or three

15:48brick manufacturers in china and uh for those that don't know the patents for the actual bricks

15:54the lego bricks probably like 90 95 of those patents are expired so anyone can produce those

16:02you just have to be careful for that five to ten percent that aren't yeah they're so patented but

16:07yeah so we ended up launching a kickstarter for the tabernacle and after that i actually went over to

16:12china to visit the manufacturers check it out make sure not using any sweatshops to make christian

16:18products right that's awesome yeah you did your due diligence that's right and yeah we found a

16:25really awesome partner they're the biggest brick manufacturer in the world besides lego they're

16:32really really great we've had a good relationship with them and yeah we just strive to have the best

16:36quality to do everything to the lord and not to man so that's why our bricks are the highest quality

16:41we can use all from one manufacturer whereas other brands will source from different ones and then

16:47like brick quality will be different color consistency will be different and another

16:52big thing is we don't do stickers uh because stickers are the worst like you try to get on like

16:57it's never right it's right so we only do printed pieces it's like here's like our 10 commandments

17:05that are printed on there um but yeah man and our instructions have bible verses all throughout

17:12so like the tabernacle when you're building the uh altar of sacrifice you read the verses from the old

17:17testament describing like it's made of wood and overlaid with bronze and here's four horns on the

17:23four corners and so you read that and then you read the verses about jesus being the lamb of god

17:29right so kind of showing the old testament passages and showing how christ fulfills each part of it

17:35because really that's that's our big emphasis we want people to just look at jesus and to think about

17:40jesus and become like jesus amen um but yeah that's that's where we're at yeah no that's honestly it's

17:47really cool and like you said the whole point is to point people back to christ and it's like you

17:50can

17:50do that even with you know bricks with with legos like that can point people back to jesus so it's

17:55really cool all right so tell me a little bit about kind of where you've seen the lord then open

17:59the

17:59doors or in other ways of you building this business how has have you just seen god move um yeah

18:07yeah man so the the most obvious way that i've seen god move is just seeing the reactions

18:14of people that buy the sets and seeing like seeing the experiences that either they or their kids are

18:20having with the set it's like my kid built this and read all the verses and knows so much about

18:27this

18:27part of the bible now or it opened up the the inorganic place for them to ask questions about these

18:33things like god why or mom and dad why did god do such and such here i don't understand and

18:38that's

18:38that's one of the big points to create those natural moments for families to have those conversations

18:44yeah you know pastors will put up some of our stuff in their offices or their homes and when

18:49people are over they're always asking questions so because it's a weird unique thing that yeah isn't

18:56common so it provides a really awesome opportunity to share your faith with people

19:00um and then besides that just seeing excuse me seeing god work like in the behind the scenes of

19:08the business side of stuff right so for our first kickstarter we raised a little under a quarter of

19:14a million for the tabernacle set yeah and that's god gave me that's crazy it is crazy and especially

19:22looking back right because leading up to the last one we we worked on building up a lot of interest

19:28for

19:28it beforehand and we did a lot of advertising on facebook and instagram and all that and we did

19:34the same thing for this our newest daniel set that was just on kickstarter recently and it's crazy to

19:41see like how far our marketing money went with the tabernacle set compared to like the current

19:48marketing environment i like i took a lot of stuff for granted like you know how god blessed that project

19:54i didn't realize it until like in hindsight it's like dang like god was giving us really great

19:59deals on some of these things and we didn't even know it um and then really just like one of

20:06the most

20:06inspiring things has been seeing christians from all walks of life and all denominational backgrounds and

20:11histories and environments like come together for like excuse me come together for this cool project

20:19and and just see like people working to build this thing and it's cool because the tabernacle was built

20:25by like taking goodwill offerings from israel yeah the different tribes literally gave goodwill offerings to

20:32make this thing and that's literally how we built the tabernacle through goodwill offerings of the church

20:38um so things like that and then god just bring in the right team members at the right time like

20:44in the very beginning i hired like a really cheap guy and like a like a third world country off

20:50of

20:50like a freelancer platform to like try to make this and then i went in and i updated a bunch

20:56of stuff

20:56it's like we needed to have exactly 20 boards on this side and this the most holy place needs to

21:01be

21:01an exact square uh so like i updated a lot but like it was funny i actually saw uh someone

21:08post a

21:09screenshot of our set on a lego subreddit like bashing us like they were haters right um and

21:16most of them were christians but there were some christians like like this is a cool idea but like

21:21yes bro and uh there's a lot of hate uh but there's like good feedback too but like for me

21:29like i really

21:30try to take the hate like take the good from the hate and uh constructive criticism right and like

21:37do make good points it's like dang you're right like the courtyard is kind of boring looking so

21:42like if you compare the images of the tabernacle from our kickstarter versus now like it's a big

21:47improvement and god brought the right people at the right time to help update the set and just make

21:53it so much better than like i me and this other freelancer did yeah um so yeah just that kind

21:59of

21:59stuff has been really awesome to see yeah i think the coolest thing probably about everything you said was

22:04at the beginning where seeing like kids actually start asking questions and finding interest in

22:09these biblical stories which was literally what started the whole thing is you saw kids interested

22:14in this very boring part of the bible through legos and you're like what if i can make that happen

22:20you know for everyone and you're seeing that like you're seeing that come to fruition you're

22:24seeing that in real life and so like the actual reason you started seeing that happen is so cool

22:29but yeah i will say when it comes to haters like they're the best at giving advice at the end

22:34of

22:34the day because they're going to be raw and honest with you even if they mean to demean you like

22:37if you

22:38can just not take offense to what they're saying and be like wait maybe there's actually something

22:42here i'll make this constructive criticism um a hundred percent so it's good that you were able to do

22:47that um and it's really cool uh so i want to ask you what's your what's your favorite go through

22:53all the sets you currently have and then tell me which one is your favorite sure so tabernacle was

22:59our first one and then after that we did a little resurrection set for easter so that one was really

23:08fun yeah that's cool um yeah you can turn the break the seal and the stone rolls away that's really

23:15fun uh no jesus figure because he's not here he is risen um come on truly accurate i've done every

23:24detail that's right so we did that and then we switched it up and we did uh a little display

23:31set

23:32showing the the baptism right when jesus was baptized but john and you know the voice from

23:37heaven with the dove you know crucifixion and resurrection so we did that one next um and we

23:44did those two specifically because we had a lot of issues in the early days with our our figure provider

23:50because we can't it's really difficult to use like genuine lego minifigures because you have to

23:55buy the pieces from lego you know customize them repackage and even then

24:01like there's a lot of limitations to that so we found an initial uh partner that had an alternative

24:07figure but it it didn't work out well with him so we switched to make one in-house but while

24:13that was

24:13in development we're like we need to make stuff that doesn't have any figures um so that's where

24:18those two sets came from and then there's the daniel set i don't have the box here yet because it's

24:23being finalized now i have a prototype in the kitchen but that one's really fun so in terms of

24:29my favorites i think the tabernacle is my favorite in terms of it's just a fun visual and the depth

24:37of

24:39like theology that you can dig into with it i think that's really fun and just you can really fit

24:43a lot

24:43of details in there because it has a lot of details in the bible yeah yeah so i like that

24:48and then i like

24:49the daniel set that we just did here let me go grab it real quick this is the prototype of

24:54our daniel set

24:55which is like half babylonian palace and half lion's den at the bottom yeah and let me turn it

25:01around here this one's super fun how many pieces is it so this one's like 1700 little wow yeah and

25:09so

25:09you have like like a little office space for daniel here daniel's like living quarters up top uh the

25:15throne room over here and you could actually pull out this pin let's see if i can do it with

25:18one hand

25:19pull the pin and there's a trap door to the lion's den and actually have the lion the lion was

25:25on top

25:26of the the palace as a guard um but uh this one is my favorite set in terms of like

25:33building experience

25:34i think just because it's like we tried mixing like the lego castle vibe with the batalonian colors and

25:41style a little bit so uh that one's a lot of fun to build and play with and that one

25:48will be our first

25:48one with like a lot of figures our custom figures so it'll have like daniel darius um a persian guard

25:57and two satraps that plot against daniel and an angel um so yeah man that one's a lot of fun

26:04to play

26:04with so yeah yeah it's really cool are you i mean i don't know if you're able to say or

26:09is there any other

26:10sets on the horizon or do you know what's next i know you just did the daniel but

26:14like what are you thinking about next yes we we have many plans okay um i i will say you

26:22can

26:22probably expect to hear an announcement for a new product in a couple of weeks here okay that i'm

26:28super excited for uh hint it'll probably be just in time for this next season that's approaching um

26:35um and then for 2027 we have a lot of big plans that we're we're going to share some stuff

26:42pretty

26:42soon but you can expect to see a lot more stuff from us in the near future yeah that's awesome

26:48so

26:48and i guess from the business side i know everything is done through kickstarter right now do you have

26:52plans to transition to like some sort of storefront where it's like hey people can just buy it and order

26:57it um and and what does that look like yeah so we started the tabernacle on kickstarter and after

27:05that we moved it to our website on shopify and so you can go to bywordbricks.com and so yeah

27:11you can

27:12grab a tabernacle i didn't even realize today yeah so you can get that one there the resurrection sold

27:16out uh for last easter but it'll be back around and so you get the tabernacle in the life of

27:21christ

27:21that right now okay um and then daniel will be that was on the kickstarter we'll probably open up

27:27pre-orders you know in a few weeks or a month or something maybe uh up on our website so

27:34yeah yeah

27:36that's really cool so throughout the process then of like starting this was there ever a point where

27:40it's like you know i'm gonna quit or has like the lord just really been like opening doors to where

27:45it's like no this is happening and i may have not like you didn't maybe you didn't expect it to

27:49get

27:49this big but like it's just it's going well so did you experience any of those moments of like doubts

27:54or has the lord really just been like showing so much favor in this yeah god is really yeah it's

28:00been both it's been both for sure god has shown a ton of favor and as such it's grown really

28:05fast

28:06really quickly and which has been amazing it's been super fun but from a business side of things it can

28:12be quite stressful um because when it grows really big you have to start hiring people for

28:19you know product development and marketing and this and that and a bunch of different things so

28:23your monthly costs are quite high and you have to and then you know not only that but throughout our

28:30process i made a bunch of mistakes um just in terms of business stuff because this is like my first

28:35like

28:35real business thing yeah um so like had a few uh partners for like our initial alternative figure

28:45it was great in the beginning but ended up making our kickstarter like two and a half months late

28:49than we were expecting and then uh our distribution partner early on we had a lot of issues there

28:57uh we thought they had the capacity to fulfill our stuff in a timely manner and all this but i

29:03think

29:03they're a little over ambitious in what they could do and so we had a lot of issues there and

29:09so customer

29:09service was a big nightmare for a long time i was getting a bunch of emails where's my set you

29:14know

29:14you said it's gonna be here then i'm like yeah and then we we send out email updates to be

29:19as transparent

29:19as possible but not everyone reads those updates um right yeah so there's definitely been a lot of

29:26trying times but you know seeing people's reactions and responses and seeing how this is impacting kids

29:34uh that's really what gives me the strength like all right let's let's keep going we'll keep building

29:40you know and then doing working on the business building out systems and processes so hopefully it

29:46becomes a little bit easier to bear as time goes on yeah no definitely yeah the business side of of

29:52anything there's always a thousand moving pieces it's it's crazy and like you know i do content full

29:58time but there's a lot of business elements to what i'm doing with working with different people and

30:02and doing different things and this is the first time i've ever worked for myself and so i can tell

30:06you it's like yeah i've made the mistakes i've mismanaged things and like you you just never know

30:11especially with working with other people it's like relationships can go sideways for all different

30:14sorts of reasons um so i can only imagine dealing with like a physical product because i've not had to

30:19do that uh how much more of you know some of these headaches can come up but man like you

30:25you're crushing it

30:26the product is obviously highly desired it's it's such a cool product and to hear like that people are

30:31really being impacted especially kids you know learning more about the bible um i think you can

30:36attest like one of my favorite bible verses it's a proverb about training your child up in the way

30:40that they should go so that when they're old they won't depart from it it's like you and i were

30:43both

30:43raised in the church and while we may have had seasons where we just completely you know walked

30:48away from our faith or weren't pursuing god trying to do our own thing ultimately i can say for yourself

30:52and for me it's like we came back to the lord and i attest that to being trained up in

30:55the way that i should go

30:56even if it wasn't always authentic or i didn't know what i was doing and uh you know being able

31:01to get these these toys in the hands of kids to where it's like they'll learn real biblical truth

31:06at such a young age is is so important it's so much deeper than just like oh this is a

31:10cool lego

31:10set it's like no this is this is actually preaching the word of god like the written word

31:14of god is being made into something that is tangible and that people can can really experience and so

31:20uh i just think it's so important uh what you're doing is is a ministry more than anything that

31:25does get me it had me thinking though i wanted to ask you this i almost forgot what i've seen

31:29in

31:29the christian space is people think there's a group of people who think that because it is christian

31:34it should be free like it's some requirement have you experienced that i have experienced that i think

31:42yeah man it's like and i've had people accuse us like oh like you're turning you know the word of

31:50god for a prophet and like you're just gonna come in and flip the tables you know all of those

31:55things

31:55right and yeah it's it's a it's an interesting discussion for sure for me i see business as

32:03mission um when i was in ministry i so in this business i reached more families and been a blessing

32:09to more people through this business than i have ever been just doing individual ministry

32:15ministry and in ministry you always have to ask for money or donations or this and that

32:20to keep doing your thing and it's usually not done the most effectively in some circles yeah and

32:27um there's an obvious limit to all of that but if we're doing business as mission i really think

32:32there's huge potential for us to have a really big kingdom impact this way and you know i believe you

32:39you know god is love and you know for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten

32:44son

32:45and the emphasis there is on giving his son giving something valuable of the most value to us and you

32:54know that's how god created the world everything is supposed to operate through this cycle of giving

32:58right trees give us fruit and we eat the fruit and we dispose the waste back into the earth to

33:05be

33:05composted and the fruit gives the nutrients back into the ground and the ground gives the nutrients

33:10back to the tree um it's a cycle of giving you know the clouds give water to the earth the

33:16earth gives

33:17the water to streams which gives it to bodies of water which gives it back to the clouds and that's

33:23how

33:23all life flourishes is by living by this law of other-centered giving and that's how economies work

33:30right yeah we give our time to companies and they make products and they give the products to people

33:38and the people give money back in return and the company gives the employees money and so it's a cycle

33:44of giving and there always has to be this mutually beneficial place of giving and that's really what

33:51we're trying to do and so we could make our stuff significantly cheaper uh but the quality would

33:59be worse i don't think it would glorify god as much i think people would have their experience

34:04wouldn't be as much of a blessing as it is now we want to be able to afford our employees

34:09uh and pay

34:11them fair wages and so they can bless their families and we wouldn't be able to reinvest that into

34:18product development for other things that we want to build for the kingdom and we have a ton of

34:23different projects that we're really excited about uh we want to do more animated content to uh share

34:29these stories in a really fun way and just a lot of things but you know it it costs money

34:34for these so

34:36yeah that's that's kind of where i'm at with it and but yeah there is an unfortunate kind of culture

34:41of

34:42you know cheapness almost in some christian circles yeah like oh everything christian should be

34:48free but i mean i think you know fellow christian business owners we should all be supporting each

34:53other and you know we could really do some amazing things you hear about you know jewish communities in

34:59america very often they will all work together and they're able to bless each other and uphold each

35:05other's businesses by working together and you see that in not only jewish but you know african-american

35:11communities and asian-american communities uh not so much the christian communities which is a real

35:17shame um i really think we could be able to bless each other significantly and expand our reach as a

35:23community if we're to work together in these economic ventures for the kingdom but yeah anyways i'll stop

35:30yapping about that no no it was so good i'll say one you articulated kind of the concept of you

35:37know

35:37why money is involved very well i think you're probably one of the first people i've heard

35:41take it from the approach of like it is a form of giving it's just giving in all these different

35:45ways so a transaction in itself isn't inherently bad it's just a form of two people giving each other

35:51something and i've always said that good business provides value which is why someone would even want

35:56to to pay for it you know if i'm just trying to sell you something that doesn't provide you any

36:01value but i just want your money it's like obviously that's not good business but i would argue on the

36:05other side of that if people always demand that something be free i think there's a selfish nature

36:08in that because you're not thinking about what your money is going to who it's supporting at the

36:12end of the day like you are paying employees that can then provide for their families you're providing

36:18for yourself and your families like we are called to work um you know the bible is very clear that

36:22we

36:22need to work to earn our wages and uh you know paul says if you don't want to work you

36:27shouldn't even

36:27eat and so you know we have to work we have to make money um it's a part of life

36:33um obviously there's

36:34unethical ways to do that and there are ethical ways to do that and i think when christians are

36:39ethical whether they're in the secular business place or they're in a christian business place

36:43it doesn't matter they deserve to earn a fair wage uh laborers deserve to get their you know their fruit

36:48so um yeah man it's it's so good and refreshing i think the conversation needs to continue to to be

36:55had

36:55and so again like this is a ministry of what you're doing in the business place and the more that

36:59christians

36:59start to dominate and be excellent in the marketplace the more will actually bring people to christ as

37:04well who are inevitably going to be in that marketplace so it's so important and uh again

37:10christians like you said need to come together to help build each other up in this market in the

37:14christian marketplace uh so we can really start to move the kingdom forward um it's just it's so

37:19important so man i i love what you're doing again and and you you really did articulate that extremely

37:24well um i think the last thing i'll probably ask you is well we could i'll say this if there's

37:34anything specific that you just want to address or talk about when it comes to you know bible bricks

37:40or what you would want to leave people with as a final message you know whether it's about

37:44entrepreneurship you know following christ just in general or you know like i said bible bricks and

37:50your mission there um what would that be oh man that's a lot that's a big net um i mean

37:57the mission

37:57of bible bricks is that god loves you and more than that god likes you as a human and he

38:03wants to be with

38:04you uh that's that's the big emphasis we have for the tabernacle set the main verses it says you know

38:12god says let them make me a sanctuary that i may dwell among them and that's showing the heart of

38:18god right

38:18there god wants to be with you and he loves you unconditionally and that's kind of the central

38:24pillar of bible bricks that's our our message we want to get across to people and um yeah that's

38:31what we're trying to build and you know if people have thoughts and ideas for how we can get that

38:38mission across more successfully how we can uh incorporate new builds and new ideas and be a blessing to

38:44people we'd love to hear them and yeah if there's anyone out there that has a business idea that

38:51can be a blessing to other people and positively impact their lives like we're talking about even

38:56the practical things clothing the naked feeding the hungry you know giving water to the thirsty visiting

39:02those that are sick and dying and in prison right if you have any idea an inkling of a thought

39:10that this business would really provide genuine value for others in a way that is a blessing to

39:16them practically i think you should go for it i think that's god's will that you know his will be

39:22done

39:22on earth as it is in heaven and that's what god wants you know like we're talking about in the

39:27beginning

39:28going back to my testimony someone blessing me with food and clothes and shelter and that's what businesses

39:35can do too they can provide good value good food to help nourish people and all of these things and

39:42you know christ said in as much as you do it to the least of these you're doing it to

39:47me so yep if god

39:49has put an idea in your heart and your mind to do something like that i highly encourage you to

39:54pray

39:54about it and seek after it um doesn't mean it's going to be easy it's not going to be easy

39:59starting

40:00business and entrepreneurship is not easy um but with god all things are possible come on

40:06man i love it you're preaching over here so such a good message and uh just thank you again for

40:11for

40:11coming on and sharing this and disclaimer this is not a paid advertisement there this i just wanted

40:17sean to come on and talk about what he's doing because i just really believe in it and i think

40:21it's

40:21so cool i still have to get myself bible bricks confession i don't have any yet but i now that

40:26i

40:26honestly i thought they were all kickstarters so that's on me i gotta go back and and get some

40:30now um definitely you know we're we're big lego nerds uh over here in general and you know as

40:36believers man it's something that like every time i get into any toy like when funko pops were a big

40:40thing i was like is there a jesus funko pop like you know i want christian products because like i'm

40:44a believer so to have a lego set that represents my faith and and like you said even a talking

40:50point for

40:50people to come over um it just it is a ministry tool so man i gotta get some but sean

40:55thank you

40:56again so much for for being on here uh i'm gonna put all your information in the description but

41:01you can also just let people know where they can find you what platforms and all that yeah man

41:06instagram is bible bricks official that's where we're the most active facebook you can find us

41:12just by searching bible bricks uh you'll find our logo on there tick tock bible bricks uh i think it's

41:19like yeah bible breaks my bricks official something like that you can find this it's all on our website as

41:24well bible bricks dot com um yeah and if you want to send us thoughts and ideas you can send

41:30them

41:30over to info at bible bricks dot com uh we love to hear from people uh it's always really fun

41:35so yeah

41:36man thank you so much for having me on it's been a lot of fun yeah no i'm glad you

41:40brought up where

41:41people can reach you because i actually forgot to ask you like can people submit ideas and stuff

41:44so info at bible bricks dot com for that awesome well thank you again sean i i appreciate it um

41:50and i hope that this blesses somebody out there and get some bible bricks if you don't have them

41:53uh because i i think it's a necessary staple in every christian household at this point so

41:58that's my opinion but um you know take that as you will awesome thank you so much man that means

42:04a lot

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