2026.03.25 | "Chi l'ha visto?" Puntata intera | 2a Parte - Video Dailymotion

Chi l'ha Vintage

In questa puntata raccontiamo la vicenda di Nessy Guerra, una mamma che rischia il carcere. È da giorni che si è autosequestrata in Egitto perché il compagno non le permette di tornare in Italia con la sua bambina. È stato lui a denunciarla per adulterio e da un momento all'altro è attesa la sentenza. Si parla anche della tragica morte di Katty Skerl, una ragazza di 17 anni impegnata nella Federazione di giovani comunisti italiani. Poco prima di essere uccisa, vicino casa era comparsa una scritta minacciosa: "Uccidetela". È un legame con il delitto? E chi ha voluto la sua morte? Intanto la sua bara è stata rubata e più persone sembrano avere un interesse morboso per i suoi resti. Documenti inediti nel programma. Si torna inoltre sulla misteriosa scomparsa di Pietro Conversano, le ultime immagini lo mostreranno andare avanti e indietro alla stazione di Bari. Perché? Doveva andare da qualche parte o aspettava qualcuno? I familiari chiedono di continuare a indagare perché ci sono ancora molti punti oscuri da chiarire. Seguiranno come sempre gli appelli dei familiari e le segnalazioni dei telespettatori.   #Chilhavisto #Chilhavintage

Transcript

00:00:20Thank you all.

00:00:30The tomb was robbed. It was terrible. How did you find out?

00:00:36I found out the morning they arranged the inspection, they didn't think they would actually find the burial niche empty. It was

00:00:44July 2022.

00:00:46And in reality, it wasn't that they stole the bar 38 years later. We found out 38 years later.

00:00:53Sure, you heard that. So, you don't know that either.

00:00:58No, that's not certain. This is certainly not the time for, let's call it, theft.

00:01:06Of course, but everything can be important. So if someone at the Verano cemetery saw something, why is there…

00:01:12there was a time when it was stolen.

00:01:15As Laura rightly says, it was discovered 38 years later. There is a particular character called Conocchia, who

00:01:22wander around this Verano cemetery.

00:01:25So tell us a little about the story and why it has something to do with Katie Scherl. Our Francesco Paolo del Re

00:01:30with Imma Giuliani.

00:01:38A few weeks ago, a disturbing message appeared online.

00:01:42If Katie Scherl's bar were still sealed and in good condition, it would be worth $10 million, a lot.

00:01:49sought after by collectors.

00:01:51The person who wrote the post about the value of the murdered girl's bar is an old acquaintance of ours,

00:01:58Marco Conocchia.

00:01:59The man was found in possession of 358 photographs of deceased women stolen from the cemetery in his bedroom.

00:02:06Marco, good morning, who saw it? She wrote on Facebook that if Katie Scherl's bar

00:02:13was sealed and in good condition,

00:02:16It's worth $10 million and highly sought after by collectors. May I ask who wrote this for?

00:02:23I mean, how do you know? Do you know any collectors like you?

00:02:27For decades, Conocchia has been stealing photographs of dead young women from Verano, Rome's monumental cemetery.

00:02:33He does it out of an unstoppable urge, preferring images of beautiful women with a vintage look.

00:02:40He acts with consistency and method, choosing for his thefts the moments in which the cemetery is less frequented.

00:02:47and uses tricks to avoid being discovered, for example bringing food to the stray cats that live

00:02:53in the cemetery.

00:02:56There are 358 photographs of women, of dead women that she took from the Verano cemetery.

00:03:04He committed his first theft in 1994. He was discovered for the first time in 2010 and convicted in 2014.

00:03:12But he doesn't stop. He keeps the photos he removes from the gravestones with a screwdriver at his home,

00:03:17as documented by these photos taken by the Carabinieri during an inspection.

00:03:22Some are on the bed, others are crammed into the wardrobe, others are arranged in a sort of small altar.

00:03:28But the most significant loot was what the Carabinieri found inside a suitcase.

00:03:34Here there are many photographs, 183, all carefully wrapped in distaff.

00:03:39in a transparent plastic film to avoid damaging them.

00:03:45Can you explain to us why you took those photos?

00:03:49She was convicted of receiving stolen goods because it could not be proven that she had stolen them,

00:03:56but those are stolen photos, Marco.

00:04:00At Conocchia's house, the investigators also found Elena Aubry's cinerary urn,

00:04:05another girl killed in a car accident.

00:04:08He always took it and for this reason he is at the centre of another trial

00:04:12and the next hearing in which he is accused will be in November.

00:04:16But give me your attention for a moment, can I ask you why you took these photos?

00:04:21And especially if she knows anything about the theft of Kattieskerl's coffin,

00:04:26why is she talking about Kattieskerl?

00:04:28He also posted a photo of Kattieskerl on his Facebook profile.

00:04:34Here is the photo of Kattieskerl published by Marco Conocchia on his Facebook,

00:04:38a close-up of the girl's beautiful face,

00:04:40reworked from an old black and white photo.

00:04:44When we confront him, Conocchia does not answer our questions,

00:04:48he remains silent and continues walking undaunted.

00:04:51But after our meeting, here he is again writing on Facebook.

00:04:55It may seem strange, but there are people who collect dead people.

00:05:00They pay well.

00:05:03Then Conocchia posts another black and white image of a girl in a bar.

00:05:08It's an image that sparks his imagination and he writes

00:05:12Who is this girl? Maybe Ketti?

00:05:16And here's another photograph of a curvy, hooded woman, in black and white.

00:05:21She looks like a nun.

00:05:22Posted alongside an image of a hooded skeleton in a cemetery

00:05:27who holds out his hand towards a person, as if in an invitation.

00:05:30And then Conocchia writes

00:05:32Kiss of the Dead. Great movie. Enjoy.

00:05:37The reference is to an old film based on a novel by Carolina Invernizio

00:05:42entitled precisely The Kiss of a Dead Woman.

00:05:58But this is not a movie.

00:06:01At Conocchia's house the police found a notebook that he kept in his closet,

00:06:07a sort of diary in which the forays to the Camposanto

00:06:10They are noted together with other gardening notes.

00:06:14Conocchia writes the names of the women whose photos he takes.

00:06:17March 4, 2020

00:06:18Elena Aubry taken

00:06:20Born October 28, 1992

00:06:23Died May 6, 2018

00:06:2526 years old

00:06:27May 5, 2020

00:06:28Lycian Capture

00:06:291930s

00:06:30Sister Mary

00:06:311930s

00:06:32Jacqueline

00:06:3332 years old

00:06:34April 11, 2020

00:06:36Fertilizer Kitchen Group

00:06:38Dwarf Nasturtium Plant

00:06:40April 15, 2020

00:06:41Yellow Vase Crying

00:06:43April 27, 2020

00:06:45Dwarf Arabica Coffee Plant

00:06:47May 5, 2020

00:06:48Alberta Outlet

00:06:5031 years old

00:06:51And then on May 1st he writes

00:06:54Vase Maintenance Stefania Silvana

00:06:56Sunflower Crying

00:06:58Apples

00:06:58Coffee Fertilizer

00:07:00What does Stefania Silvana vase maintenance mean?

00:07:03This last sentence strikes us

00:07:05Who are Stefania and Silvana?

00:07:07And what's in the pots on Conocchia's balcony?

00:07:10Anything that connects to these women?

00:07:13Vase Maintenance Stefania Silvana

00:07:17What does this mean, Marco?

00:07:20Who are Stefania and Silvana?

00:07:22And what do they have to do with a vase?

00:07:24Are these the names of two dead women?

00:07:26Two deletantes that Conocchia has taken possession of

00:07:28Taking their photo from the gravestone?

00:07:31We followed him for a while.

00:07:33In an attempt to get some answers from him

00:07:37Conocchia is a loner

00:07:39The psychiatrist who analyzes him

00:07:41He describes him as an isolated person

00:07:43And without any social contact

00:07:45But when he is investigated and then sent to trial

00:07:48On behalf of Marco Conocchia

00:07:50Three telephone cards are registered in his name

00:07:52And the records show numerous telephone contacts

00:07:56However, these were not examined in depth during the investigations.

00:07:59Could Conocchia be part of a network of trafficking in macabre artefacts?

00:08:04Are there people who work with him?

00:08:07The new recruits are arriving

00:08:09Mina, Marzia

00:08:10Training begins

00:08:12They will have to learn to move around the various cemeteries of central Italy

00:08:15Disturbing messages

00:08:17Is there a web of necrophiliacs at work?

00:08:21In Marco Conocchia's living room

00:08:23The Carabinieri found a map of the cemetery hanging on the wall

00:08:26On this map Conocchia makes a note of two men

00:08:30Which connects to two distinct areas of the summer

00:08:33He calls them Spartacus and Bald Man

00:08:36He writes precisely

00:08:37Bald Man Entrance and Spartacus Area

00:08:40Who am I?

00:08:42Let's try to find them

00:08:44This gentleman we meet

00:08:46He says he knows Spartacus

00:08:48Because he was raised by him as a son.

00:08:51Spartacus was a florist in the summer

00:08:54Spartacus is one of the characters who made the history of the summer

00:08:57They had been here for more than 60 years

00:09:01Maybe 65

00:09:02Because so many realities didn't exist yet

00:09:05He fought for all the benches

00:09:08At first they were illegal

00:09:09He went out of his way for so many

00:09:11He worked

00:09:14It's a generation that no longer exists

00:09:17Spartacus is no longer working

00:09:19But despite his age

00:09:20His remains a permanent presence in the cemetery

00:09:23Why he takes care of his daughter's grave

00:09:26But why does Marco Conocchia write his name on the map found in his home?

00:09:29He had hung a map of the Verano cemetery in his living room on which he had written two words:

00:09:37It said Spartaco area on one side and on the other it said bald man entrance

00:09:45What do you think these two writings mean?

00:09:47So Spartacus was at the cemetery, he was on the Portonaccio side

00:09:52Bald man if I know I entered evangelical cemetery verano

00:09:56But

00:09:57Why does he say bald man?

00:09:58Why am I bald, why am I bald?

00:10:00So, is she the bald man?

00:10:02Yes but it could be

00:10:05So we found them both

00:10:07Spartacus and the Bald Man

00:10:09They are not two ghosts

00:10:10At least this puzzle has been solved.

00:10:13It could be that this person

00:10:14Knowing that you work here

00:10:16Spartacus worked here

00:10:19And so let's control it a little if we want this territory

00:10:22Why are you here every day?

00:10:23Maybe he was afraid of you and so he wrote

00:10:26As if to say I must not pass by here

00:10:28Which is a hypothesis

00:10:29I do not know

00:10:30It could also be

00:10:31Why me

00:10:32They know that this is a place I love

00:10:34That is for me

00:10:36I used to play here as a child

00:10:43Lawyer Chiovella

00:10:44Now there are two investigations

00:10:45There is one on the killing of Cattis Kerle

00:10:47And one about the robbery of the tomb

00:10:49Exactly

00:10:50They're not united, are they?

00:10:51I don't know

00:10:52In the sense that they are united because they are

00:10:54In the same file

00:10:56To the attention of the same magistrate

00:10:58But they are not united

00:11:00Because one could be the killer

00:11:02And another one who took away this tomb

00:11:05At that time

00:11:06I would say to see

00:11:08To try to understand Laura

00:11:10Who could have killed Cattis Kerle?

00:11:12We need to go back to that Saturday

00:11:14He's going to a party

00:11:15Then she has to go to her friend's house

00:11:16After the party leaves

00:11:17But nobody sees her anymore

00:11:20Who kidnapped her?

00:11:21Why was she kidnapped?

00:11:22Because then it is carried kilometers away

00:11:25Francesco Palo del Re and Imma Giuliani

00:11:30Thrown into a vineyard

00:11:31Dressed

00:11:32Face buried in the mud

00:11:34The head covered with earth by the murderer

00:11:37A wire and a strap

00:11:40Wrapped around the neck

00:11:41Until it takes her breath away

00:11:43Without a boot

00:11:45Found a little further on

00:11:47A few meters away

00:11:48It's his duffel bag

00:11:49From which nothing is missing

00:11:51Cattis Kerle disappeared the day before

00:11:5330 kilometers from this vineyard

00:11:56Who took it?

00:11:57And who brought her here?

00:11:59And why?

00:12:04Laura, his only cousin

00:12:06Who carries on the battle

00:12:07To know the truth

00:12:08On the murder and the theft of the coffin

00:12:10He describes it like this

00:12:12Lively, cheerful

00:12:17Busy

00:12:17More than he let on

00:12:19Why the external appearance

00:12:21It was more superficial

00:12:22How can I say

00:12:24She seemed more frivolous

00:12:25Than it actually was inside

00:12:27But also because then

00:12:29When we saw each other

00:12:30It's not that

00:12:32Let's discuss the bigger picture

00:12:34In short, we saw each other

00:12:35We were 16-17 years old

00:12:37This is how we used to see each other at the holidays

00:12:38To go out

00:12:39For fun

00:12:41The father is a director

00:12:43To pursue his projects

00:12:45He left his family

00:12:46And he moved

00:12:47In the United States of America

00:12:48Ketty has an older brother

00:12:50Alex

00:12:51They are two boys

00:12:52And they both live

00:12:53Still with the mother

00:12:54They are very close

00:12:56And they support each other

00:12:57I believe that

00:12:58Ketty's adolescence

00:13:00And anyway also

00:13:02I think of my brother

00:13:03It wasn't like that after all

00:13:05Truly carefree

00:13:06Why didn't they have

00:13:08A very easy life

00:13:09Unfortunately

00:13:10With the separation

00:13:11Of the parents

00:13:12So not like that

00:13:14So carefree

00:13:15But Ketty had

00:13:17A strong character

00:13:20Ketty is strong

00:13:21Indomitable

00:13:22Cheerful

00:13:23Brilliant

00:13:24Quick-witted

00:13:24Full of dreams

00:13:25Many friends

00:13:27He lives in Rome

00:13:28In the talent zone

00:13:29He studies at the art school

00:13:31Julius Romano

00:13:32And she is politically engaged

00:13:33Attend the federation

00:13:35Young Italian Communists

00:13:37In the Ponte Milvio section

00:13:38Enrico Berlinguer's

00:13:40And it is precisely

00:13:44At a Berlinguer rally

00:13:45In St. John's Square

00:13:46Which is photographed

00:13:47In June 1983

00:13:49Here is the photo

00:13:50Ketty is beautiful

00:13:52To the headband in your hair

00:13:54And the raised fist

00:13:55He smiled at me

00:13:57And it interested me

00:13:59Strict

00:14:00Strict

00:14:01The hours before

00:14:03The mystery of her murder

00:14:04They are those of a Saturday

00:14:06Any January

00:14:07Ketty the next day

00:14:08He has to leave for the snow

00:14:10With a friend

00:14:10And that night

00:14:11He planned

00:14:12To sleep at her house

00:14:13But first

00:14:15He decides to go

00:14:16At a friends party

00:14:17An afternoon party

00:14:19At home

00:14:19Like the ones that were made

00:14:21Once

00:14:21From a little big love

00:14:25Just a little big love

00:14:29Nothing more

00:14:31Of this

00:14:33Nothing more

00:14:35She actually

00:14:37He didn't know

00:14:38How to pass

00:14:38Exactly in the afternoon

00:14:40That is to say

00:14:40It was supposed to fill the time

00:14:42Until then

00:14:44Get moving

00:14:45To reach

00:14:46Her friend

00:14:47At the appointment

00:14:48To Lucius Sestius

00:14:49Then go to sleep

00:14:50At his house

00:14:51And to be able to leave

00:14:52The next morning

00:14:53Together

00:14:53For a trip

00:14:56The party

00:14:57It's not far away

00:14:58From his house

00:14:59Precisely

00:15:00It's in Largo Bacone

00:15:01Ketty arrives

00:15:02In company

00:15:03Of the brother

00:15:03And some friends

00:15:04When he goes away

00:15:05Was the party over?

00:15:07No

00:15:07She's gone away

00:15:08Before the party ended

00:15:10Ketty was

00:15:11Definitely used to it

00:15:12To go around

00:15:13Alone

00:15:14But that evening

00:15:17Churches

00:15:18If she could be accompanied

00:15:20For a stretch of road

00:15:22Because she had a little

00:15:23Fear of the dark

00:15:26Evidently

00:15:27It felt

00:15:28Of wanting to be accompanied

00:15:30Then she was not accompanied

00:15:32She was not accompanied

00:15:33Then he went away

00:15:33On my own

00:15:34Alone

00:15:45Yes

00:15:45And it will take

00:15:46More than an hour

00:15:46To get there

00:15:48Cristina

00:15:49One of her friends

00:15:50More expensive

00:15:50Who was with her

00:15:51At the party

00:15:51He remembers perfectly

00:15:53What a Ketty

00:15:54He had it in his head

00:15:55A red hat

00:15:56That it won't be

00:15:57Never found

00:15:58Red for sure

00:15:59He had a hat on

00:16:01A hat

00:16:02Of those

00:16:03In the French way

00:16:04What is his name?

00:16:04A beret

00:16:05Those who carry themselves

00:16:06A bit'

00:16:07On the side

00:16:08A bit'

00:16:08As

00:16:08With the pirulino

00:16:10Above

00:16:11In short

00:16:12He had this little hat

00:16:14Red

00:16:14He told me

00:16:15I'm running away I'm running away

00:16:16You know that

00:16:17I'm late

00:16:19I'm running late

00:16:19I'm late

00:16:20If not I won't arrive in time

00:16:21And then you know

00:16:22That I'm afraid

00:16:23In the dark

00:16:24It's bad weather

00:16:25That day

00:16:26From largo vacone 7

00:16:28The place of the party

00:16:29To reach

00:16:30Noventana Street

00:16:31And from there

00:16:31Take a bus

00:16:32Ketty has to cross

00:16:33A park

00:16:34A desolate area

00:16:35And it's poorly lit

00:16:37Someone

00:16:38He brings her closer

00:16:38Maybe with the proposal

00:16:40Of a passage

00:16:45After we told you

00:16:47Ketty's story

00:16:48And what we told you

00:16:49Of his disappearance

00:16:50At the exit of the party

00:16:51A wide vacancy

00:16:52Martha

00:16:53A spectator

00:16:54That at the time

00:16:54She was a girl

00:16:55He tells us

00:16:56Of having been attacked

00:16:57From an unknown man

00:16:59Right in the park

00:17:00Nearby

00:17:00A figure appeared

00:17:02That she pounced

00:17:04Towards me

00:17:05I discarded it

00:17:06And he started running

00:17:07In the park

00:17:08And then I was there

00:17:11Assisted

00:17:11From a friend

00:17:12That I met

00:17:13Fortuitously

00:17:14A huge scare

00:17:16There is a maniac

00:17:17A sexual assaulter

00:17:19Serial

00:17:19Which acts precisely

00:17:20In the area

00:17:21From which it disappears

00:17:22Ketty's girl

00:17:22And this man

00:17:24It could be the same

00:17:25Who traps her?

00:17:27After Marta

00:17:28They contact us

00:17:29Other women too

00:17:29At the time

00:17:30As young girls

00:17:31That walk alone

00:17:33In the vicinity of Largo Bacone

00:17:34They too

00:17:35Approached by a man

00:17:36Which remains in ambush

00:17:38Until

00:17:39The chosen victim

00:17:40It's not within his reach

00:17:42I was walking along

00:17:44This road

00:17:45There is the Nomentana

00:17:47Behind one

00:17:48Of these trees

00:17:49Here they coast

00:17:50The avenue

00:17:51It came out

00:17:52A man

00:17:53Naked

00:17:54An exhibitionist

00:17:56Which started

00:17:58To do

00:17:59What can be done

00:17:59Imagine

00:18:00I

00:18:01Obviously

00:18:02I am

00:18:02Scared

00:18:04I ran away

00:18:05Towards

00:18:05The first person

00:18:07In the distance

00:18:08What I saw

00:18:08I found myself in front of

00:18:10A person

00:18:11A silhouette

00:18:12I have the memory

00:18:13Of this shape

00:18:14He was an exhibitionist

00:18:16But that though

00:18:17He didn't limit himself

00:18:18But

00:18:19To show

00:18:20But practically

00:18:21He followed me

00:18:22He followed me

00:18:24For a long stretch

00:18:25Of the park

00:18:26I was very fast

00:18:27And this person

00:18:28He followed me

00:18:29Practically

00:18:30Until the end

00:18:31Of the park road

00:18:32There are other girls

00:18:34That today are women

00:18:35Who have lived

00:18:36A similar experience

00:18:37At Largo Bacon

00:18:38They can contact us

00:18:40And this would be

00:18:45Very important

00:18:46Then there is a man

00:18:46That at a certain point

00:18:47He confesses to the murder

00:18:48By Katie Scherler

00:18:50But we see it

00:18:50Immediately after

00:18:51This short break

00:19:11There is this man

00:19:12So we're done

00:19:13The service

00:19:14With this man

00:19:14Who undresses

00:19:16Naked

00:19:16In the park

00:19:17Nearby

00:19:18Right from where it appears

00:19:19Katie Scherler

00:19:20But be careful

00:19:20In this story

00:19:21There is a man

00:19:21Who confesses

00:19:22He says it was me

00:19:23To kill him

00:19:24What's happening

00:19:26Francis Paul of the King

00:19:27With Emma Giuliani

00:19:31There is not only

00:19:32The Maniac's Trail

00:19:33To explain

00:19:34The Murder of Katie Scherler

00:19:36They have been made

00:19:37Two other hypotheses

00:19:38The first

00:19:39It takes us on the trail

00:19:40Of other crimes

00:19:40From that period

00:19:44At the time we talk about

00:19:46Of an alleged serial killer

00:19:47Maurizio Giuliano

00:19:48That kills

00:19:49Some prostitutes

00:19:50Fragile women

00:19:52Exposed to malicious people

00:19:54Vulnerable

00:19:55Giuliano accuses himself

00:19:57Of five murders

00:19:58But it comes later

00:19:59Convicted for only one

00:20:00Giuliana Meschi's

00:20:02To accuse him

00:20:04Of having killed

00:20:04Katie Scherler

00:20:05One month later

00:20:06His death

00:20:07His mother

00:20:08And the young companion

00:20:09Of the man

00:20:10Just sixteen years old

00:20:11The two live together

00:20:12In a caravan

00:20:13Parked

00:20:14Less than a kilometer away

00:20:15From large bacon

00:20:16Where Katie is kidnapped

00:20:17And the companion herself

00:20:19What about it?

00:20:20On the evening of the murder

00:20:21Tell the police

00:20:22What Julian

00:20:23He had returned late

00:20:24And who had

00:20:25The dirty shoes of fans

00:20:27Saturday, January 21st

00:20:29Maurizio wasn't with me

00:20:30In the caravan

00:20:31Around 5:30 PM

00:20:33He went out on board

00:20:34Of his wasp

00:20:35He came back late at night

00:20:37Late at night

00:20:38I heard some noises

00:20:39I think it was him

00:20:40Who was returning

00:20:41The next morning

00:20:43I noticed that the shoes were on

00:20:44The previous evening

00:20:45From my partner

00:20:46They were completely dirty

00:20:47Of mud

00:20:48The bottom of the trousers

00:20:50It was just as dirty

00:20:51Of mud

00:20:52I noticed that the Julian

00:20:53He was intent

00:20:54To wash his scooter

00:20:55I remember in particular

00:20:57That with a broom

00:20:58Wet

00:20:58He searched in vain

00:20:59To remove the mud

00:21:00From the gears

00:21:01Of the wheels

00:21:03Maurizio Giuliano

00:21:04He had a wasp

00:21:05And the owner

00:21:06From the bar under the house

00:21:07By Chetti

00:21:08He claims to have seen it

00:21:09To turn around in those parts

00:21:11The hypothesis

00:21:12It's that Giuliano

00:21:13May have noticed it

00:21:14Observed

00:21:15Then followed

00:21:16And finally brought

00:21:17With his wasp

00:21:18At Grotta Ferrata

00:21:19A place which, moreover,

00:21:21He knew

00:21:22But it is unlikely

00:21:24That someone

00:21:24He may have kidnapped her on a Vespa

00:21:26And then brought

00:21:27Always on a Vespa

00:21:28Up to Grotta Ferrata

00:21:29Furthermore

00:21:30On a rainy evening

00:21:31Chetti

00:21:32At the first traffic light

00:21:33It could have been

00:21:34Jump down

00:21:35And run away

00:21:35Him at the beginning

00:21:37He denies the charges

00:21:38Then five years later

00:21:40In the course

00:21:41Of an interrogation

00:21:42Declares

00:21:43Yes

00:21:44I killed her

00:21:45Catherine

00:21:46It's mine

00:21:46I'm a spy killer

00:21:48I am a police lieutenant

00:21:50I had come into contact

00:21:51With Caterina

00:21:52To discover his accomplices

00:21:53I killed her

00:21:54We went with the Vespa

00:21:56At Grotta Ferrata

00:21:57The Scherl

00:21:58He wanted to get himself killed

00:21:59She got herself killed

00:22:00Voluntarily by me

00:22:02It seems like a delirium

00:22:03The collected elements

00:22:05Against him

00:22:05They are considered

00:22:07Insufficient by the judge

00:22:08Which acquits

00:22:10Maurizio Giuliano

00:22:10From the prosecution

00:22:11Of having killed

00:22:12Chetti Scherl

00:22:14Interned

00:22:14In a psychiatric hospital

00:22:16Julian then

00:22:17He kills his partner

00:22:18And distance

00:22:19Because he didn't want to

00:22:20Give him a cigarette

00:22:21And in 1993

00:22:23He dies

00:22:25So it was investigated

00:22:26But maybe

00:22:28Not in the right direction

00:22:29What does she think?

00:22:30After so long?

00:22:32I think

00:22:32Also because then

00:22:33They were very enthusiastic

00:22:35To lean on

00:22:37Let's say the case

00:22:38To a person

00:22:40What they had

00:22:41Arrested

00:22:43For other murders

00:22:44Of other ladies

00:22:45And even if

00:22:48Chetti

00:22:48Effectively

00:22:49He was a victim

00:22:51Completely different

00:22:52From the others

00:22:52Alleged victims

00:22:53Of this gentleman

00:22:54They wanted it for him

00:22:56To lean on

00:22:56By force

00:22:57But it wasn't

00:22:59Frankly

00:23:00It couldn't be

00:23:01It was him

00:23:02This person

00:23:02It was followed

00:23:03The serial killer hypothesis

00:23:05Let's say

00:23:05But then again

00:23:06It turned out

00:23:07A track

00:23:07Yes

00:23:08Wrong

00:23:09Because according to her

00:23:12Nothing has been resolved

00:23:14What

00:23:14What went wrong

00:23:18All

00:23:19Not everything went well

00:23:20At the time

00:23:22There could have even been

00:23:24A little creepy

00:23:25This mentality

00:23:27So

00:23:28In conclusion

00:23:29It could have also

00:23:30Go and look for it

00:23:31Something like that

00:23:33In her opinion

00:23:33There was a prejudice

00:23:34Towards his cousin

00:23:35Yes a little prejudice

00:23:36There was

00:23:38But beyond these hypotheses

00:23:40From the documents in the file

00:23:41About the investigations

00:23:41On the murder of Chetti

00:23:43It also emerges

00:23:44A possible political motive

00:23:45Even if remote

00:23:49The murder of Chetti

00:23:51It's an isolated incident

00:23:52Sudden

00:23:53Or there have been

00:23:54Some signals first

00:23:56Stefania

00:23:57A companion of his

00:23:57From the art high school

00:23:59At the time

00:23:59It is listened to

00:24:00From the prosecutor's office

00:24:01And he tells

00:24:01To me Chetti

00:24:03He said that near his house

00:24:04They had happened

00:24:05Some unpleasant episodes

00:24:06With boys who hung out

00:24:08The bar under his house

00:24:09They had once told her

00:24:11That he had to change his mind

00:24:13The reference

00:24:14It's about Chetti's political ideas

00:24:16Upon his accession

00:24:17To the young communists

00:24:18But Stefania

00:24:19He also tells

00:24:20Something more serious

00:24:21A threat has appeared

00:24:23Right in front of the house

00:24:25Of the girl

00:24:25One more time

00:24:27They had painted

00:24:28An arrow on the road

00:24:29In the direction

00:24:30Of his home

00:24:31With the writing

00:24:32Kill her

00:24:33In addition to the threat

00:24:35There have also been

00:24:36Of the assaults

00:24:37Let's hear what else

00:24:38Friend Stefania declares

00:24:39To the prosecutor's office

00:24:40I know that once

00:24:41Chetti came to school

00:24:42With signs

00:24:43Like scratches

00:24:44On the face

00:24:45And he said it had been

00:24:46Beaten by a gang

00:24:47Of boys

00:24:48I don't know where

00:24:49Who can they be?

00:24:51These guys

00:24:51That were annoying

00:24:52To Chetti

00:24:53A trace emerges

00:24:55From the statements

00:24:56By Simona

00:24:57Another companion

00:24:58Classy

00:24:58Chetti told me

00:25:00Some episodes

00:25:00In which some boys

00:25:01They threatened her

00:25:02Near his house

00:25:03And on another occasion

00:25:05In Mancini Square

00:25:06In particular

00:25:07He told me that

00:25:07Near his house

00:25:09There were some boys

00:25:10Which belonged

00:25:11To some kind of organization

00:25:12Called

00:25:13The panic

00:25:14And what of these

00:25:15He was afraid

00:25:15Especially when he came back

00:25:17At home in the evening

00:25:18As they had

00:25:19Drawn the arrow

00:25:20And they had it

00:25:21Confronted on the street

00:25:22Chetti told me

00:25:23That had been threatened

00:25:24And scratched

00:25:25With a small knife

00:25:26In Mancini Square

00:25:27Where guys

00:25:28Unknown

00:25:29They had told her

00:25:30That had to change

00:25:30Idea

00:25:31And way of dressing

00:25:33Someone

00:25:34Do you know this group?

00:25:35Most likely

00:25:36Right-wing

00:25:37And active in Rome

00:25:38In the Montesacro area

00:25:39And talents

00:25:40Who called himself

00:25:41The panic

00:25:42Someone

00:25:43He has information

00:25:44That they can

00:25:45Help us understand

00:25:45Who had threatened

00:25:47And attacked

00:25:47Chetti Scherl

00:25:53Then consider

00:25:54That the murder

00:25:55Of a girl

00:25:56Which only had

00:25:5617 years old

00:25:57Unresolved

00:25:58There is something

00:25:59What makes us angry

00:26:00No lawyer?

00:26:01It's a femicide

00:26:03For all intents and purposes

00:26:04It's certain

00:26:04And you can't

00:26:06You can't stop

00:26:07To seek the truth

00:26:08And you can't

00:26:09Above all, continue

00:26:10To mock the victim

00:26:12As we have seen

00:26:13It's certain

00:26:13With the theft

00:26:14The theft of the bar

00:26:15With these posts

00:26:17Delirious

00:26:18But also

00:26:18But what makes you angry

00:26:20What is close to heart

00:26:21That's right.

00:26:21Let's let her say it

00:26:23Let's let her say it

00:26:25The fact of the finds

00:26:26It's certain

00:26:27That were thrown away

00:26:28The finds were destroyed

00:26:30Not only is it an unsolved case

00:26:34But in any case

00:26:36In my opinion

00:26:37The finds

00:26:38They should not be destroyed

00:26:39Because there can always be

00:26:41A miscarriage of justice

00:26:43It should be possible

00:26:45Reopen the investigation

00:26:46And then need

00:26:47Of the finds

00:26:48There may be DNA

00:26:49That once upon a time

00:26:50Why DNA?

00:26:50It wasn't there in those years

00:26:51We are talking

00:26:5238 years ago

00:26:55Now with new techniques

00:26:56Instead with

00:26:58The bag

00:26:59Now we're talking

00:27:00Of a murder

00:27:01Happened 42 years ago

00:27:0242 years ago

00:27:03Just because it was the bar

00:27:04Because it is certain

00:27:05And the finds

00:27:07They are very important

00:27:08In other foreign countries

00:27:10Even since the 70s

00:27:12They were already keeping aside

00:27:13In anticipation

00:27:14When in the future

00:27:16Let's hope

00:27:17It's certain

00:27:17And in fact

00:27:18They solved it

00:27:19Some cases

00:27:20Thanks too

00:27:21To genealogical research

00:27:25Which is why they succeeded

00:27:26To solve the cases

00:27:27Of 40

00:27:2850 years

00:27:29But how did you know?

00:27:30That there were no more finds

00:27:32Making a login

00:27:33At the office

00:27:34You have searched

00:27:35To open investigations

00:27:37And this is a damage

00:27:39This is a damage

00:27:40And we will have a battle

00:27:41On this

00:27:42We are definitely announcing it

00:27:44But not only for Chetti

00:27:45But for everyone

00:27:46Everyone really

00:27:46For a matter

00:27:47Of justice

00:27:49Of civilization

00:27:50Legal

00:27:50How can you tell?

00:27:51I don't know

00:27:52The legal terms

00:27:54But just as usual

00:27:56Everything must be well kept

00:27:59And at your disposal

00:28:01And at the disposal of the investigators

00:28:02In case

00:28:03They wanted to reopen the investigations

00:28:05Get to the bottom of it

00:28:06It's not possible

00:28:07That the findings

00:28:08They are not kept well

00:28:10Then they become

00:28:12Unusable

00:28:13I even have them

00:28:13Completely destroyed

00:28:14No in this case

00:28:16Destroyed

00:28:16It's really a thing

00:28:18That actually

00:28:19It makes you angry

00:28:19So there's this one

00:28:21This beautiful photo

00:28:23At Berlinguer's rally

00:28:24She smiling

00:28:25With a raised fist

00:28:26He was part of the FIGC

00:28:28And he went in this

00:28:30Historical section

00:28:31Which is the one on Ponte Milvio

00:28:33At that time

00:28:33If someone gets involved

00:28:35A hand on the conscience

00:28:36If anyone knows anything

00:28:37We are here

00:28:38We have to thank Laura

00:28:40For this battle

00:28:41What continues to do

00:28:43Thank you, Attorney Chiovelli.

00:28:44Of having been with us

00:28:45Thanks to her

00:28:45For the first time

00:28:46Thanks to you

00:28:47Thanks to her

00:28:47Thank you

00:28:48Thank you all

00:28:48At that time

00:28:50I'll show you now

00:28:51Carmelo's photo

00:28:52Why Carmelo

00:28:53Who is 81 years old

00:28:54He lives with his partner

00:28:55Whose name is Antonina?

00:28:57He is 80 years old

00:28:58We are in Piedimonte Etneo

00:29:00In the province of Catania

00:29:02What does Carmelo do?

00:29:03He takes the car

00:29:04Secretly

00:29:05Because lately

00:29:06He suffers from memory lapses

00:29:08He takes the wrong roads

00:29:09At 10am on March 17th

00:29:11Antonina says

00:29:12What he has to go and look for

00:29:14The wallet

00:29:14What has he lost?

00:29:15But he loses himself

00:29:17Usually Antonina

00:29:19He accompanies him by car

00:29:20This time

00:29:21A moment of distraction

00:29:23He goes alone

00:29:24But what's happening?

00:29:25That the car is found

00:29:26In front of the gate

00:29:28Some neighbors

00:29:28And he at this point

00:29:30Must

00:29:31He must have walked away

00:29:32That is, continue on foot

00:29:33And he doesn't come back

00:29:34At that time

00:29:35Mr. Carmelo

00:29:36He has a blue raincoat

00:29:38Blue trousers

00:29:39Hat

00:29:40Umbrella

00:29:40And eyeglasses

00:29:41He doesn't have a phone

00:29:43Who stayed at home

00:29:44And not even documents

00:29:45Since precisely

00:29:46He had said

00:29:46To his partner Antonina

00:29:47That the wallet

00:29:48He had lost it

00:29:51Nicholas Paolozza

00:29:52He went to pick blackberries

00:29:54And so it is said

00:29:54It seems like a story

00:29:56Delicate and cute

00:29:57He went to pick blackberries

00:29:58And he disappeared

00:29:59In the woods

00:30:00But in this story

00:30:02Is there anyone?

00:30:02Who wanted to do harm

00:30:04To Nicola Paolozza

00:30:06Someone

00:30:06Which made him disappear

00:30:08Our correspondent

00:30:09Fabrizio Franceschelli

00:30:10With Maria Chiara Iacovucci

00:30:16During a series

00:30:17Research

00:30:18What we did

00:30:18Inside the apartment

00:30:19Inside my father's house

00:30:20We found

00:30:21A complaint

00:30:22Revolt

00:30:23To a fellow countryman of his

00:30:24Who had been his friend

00:30:26Quite narrow

00:30:27For some time now

00:30:28I came to know

00:30:29In short, this complaint

00:30:30Which had stuck out

00:30:31Towards this person

00:30:32Who had threatened him

00:30:33My father supports

00:30:33Of having been threatened

00:30:34From this person

00:30:35That in the public square

00:30:36So with other people present

00:30:38He would have said

00:30:39Piece of shit

00:30:40Starved to death

00:30:40I advance from you

00:30:41200 euros

00:30:42Sooner or later

00:30:42Taggia a culo

00:30:45Nicholas

00:30:45Sometimes it seems

00:30:46That he had been threatened

00:30:48Why in the country

00:30:49He was in debt

00:30:50With many people

00:30:51Anyway

00:30:52The latest images

00:30:54By Nicola Paolozza

00:30:55These are the ones registered

00:30:56From the camera

00:30:57Surveillance

00:30:58Of this supermarket

00:31:00In My Ruella

00:31:01At the exit of the village

00:31:02It's August 11th

00:31:04Nicola enters

00:31:05To purchase

00:31:06A pair of gloves

00:31:07Of latex

00:31:08He is armed with a stick

00:31:10To defend yourself

00:31:11From any stray dogs

00:31:12And a mixed bucket

00:31:14White plastic

00:31:15A container

00:31:17For what it might be

00:31:18A rich haul of blackberries

00:31:19Then Nicola sets off

00:31:21For this path

00:31:22From which he will not do

00:31:23More return

00:31:24It's almost six o'clock

00:31:25In the afternoon

00:31:26Soon after

00:31:27Towards the end of the climb

00:31:29A cyclist going down

00:31:30In the opposite direction to his

00:31:32He crosses it

00:31:32And he greets him

00:31:33A little further ahead

00:31:35There are works in progress

00:31:36To fix the road

00:31:37But the workers of the company

00:31:39They will declare

00:31:40Of not having seen Nicola

00:31:41No, no, no

00:31:42He didn't actually come to us

00:31:44No

00:31:44The cyclist passed by

00:31:45We saw it

00:31:47But here we are

00:31:48It didn't arrive

00:31:48No

00:31:50Nor are there any pictures

00:31:52About him

00:31:52In subsequent recordings

00:31:54Surveillance cameras

00:31:56So

00:31:57Where did Nicola go?

00:31:59Seven months have passed

00:32:01And more about him

00:32:02No trace

00:32:03But is he alive in your opinion?

00:32:05But it could also be that he is alive

00:32:08Why

00:32:08Seven or eight months have passed

00:32:10On the other

00:32:10Maybe he's alive

00:32:11Because if

00:32:12They didn't find it

00:32:13On site

00:32:14Where they have

00:32:15Indicated

00:32:16But someone

00:32:17Did he have something against him?

00:32:19But at the level

00:32:21But no, no

00:32:22She knows him

00:32:24Paolozza

00:32:26Nicholas Paolozza

00:32:26How did he know him?

00:32:28The Village

00:32:29But it is said that someone

00:32:31I may have killed him

00:32:32But we are

00:32:34Who says

00:32:35Did they kill him?

00:32:36Who says

00:32:37Will they be brought?

00:32:38Who says

00:32:39All color?

00:32:41We move forward

00:32:42Even in a narrow street

00:32:43At the bottom of which

00:32:44They told us

00:32:45That an old man lives

00:32:46Acquaintance

00:32:47By Nicola Paolozza

00:32:48We are

00:32:48Whose saw it?

00:32:49Yes, yes

00:32:49I saw

00:32:50Already

00:32:50Those Vicentes

00:32:51Eh

00:32:51He saw it

00:32:52The episodes

00:32:52On television?

00:32:54Eh

00:32:54Yes

00:32:55Some

00:32:56But she knew him

00:32:58But

00:32:58No

00:32:59No

00:33:00Yes

00:33:00He was passing by on the street

00:33:01But I didn't have

00:33:03He didn't lend it to him

00:33:04Even some money

00:33:05To him?

00:33:05No

00:33:06Someone told us

00:33:07No but what was it

00:33:08To search

00:33:08That one is dead

00:33:09They killed that one

00:33:12He knows

00:33:13He knows

00:33:15What did he do?

00:33:16What do we know?

00:33:17He asked everyone for money

00:33:18No?

00:33:18In the village

00:33:18But it is said

00:33:21But I know about it

00:33:23But isn't she from here?

00:33:25Yes, yes

00:33:26He lives here

00:33:27He lives right there

00:33:28Yes, yes

00:33:28Oh well

00:33:29He didn't have

00:33:31News here in town

00:33:32On the fact that he

00:33:33He asked for money

00:33:34In the village

00:33:35But she didn't know him?

00:33:37Yes

00:33:37Huh?

00:33:38She didn't know him?

00:33:39But like this on the street

00:33:39But more than that

00:33:40And he never gave him any money?

00:33:42But I was looking for something

00:33:44Why does he say

00:33:44I have to go shopping

00:33:45To eat a few euros

00:33:46There's a little bit of cheese

00:33:48And these things like that

00:33:48But no

00:33:49Like 20 euros

00:33:5050 euros

00:33:51No

00:33:51These things here

00:33:52No because it's not for me either

00:33:54Huh?

00:33:55It's not even for me

00:33:56These things here

00:33:57What?

00:33:58Oh the money

00:33:59The 50 euros

00:34:00Where do I get them?

00:34:01To give people I

00:34:03Yet the daughter tells us

00:34:04That the two had gone

00:34:06Having dinner together several times

00:34:07And that he often had

00:34:08Also invited

00:34:10His father at home

00:34:11Not only

00:34:12It seems he had

00:34:13Lend money

00:34:14And that he wanted it back

00:34:16It is about

00:34:17200 euros

00:34:18And the daughters

00:34:19By Nicola Paolozza

00:34:21Looking through the documents

00:34:22In the father's house

00:34:23They found a complaint

00:34:25That in the month of March

00:34:26From last year

00:34:27Nicola had presented

00:34:28To the Carabinieri

00:34:29From Basilice station

00:34:30And it was about

00:34:32Alleged threats

00:34:33From that man

00:34:34That we had met

00:34:36On the street

00:34:36And he claimed

00:34:37To know just

00:34:38Nicholas Paolozza

00:34:39Sooner or later

00:34:40Taggia Chiappa

00:34:41So

00:34:42A threat

00:34:43Enough

00:34:45Significant

00:34:46And then

00:34:47In front of witnesses

00:34:48In front of witnesses

00:34:50But my father

00:34:50It also reports

00:34:51At the same time

00:34:52To this complaint

00:34:53Which had already happened

00:34:54Previously

00:34:55That this person

00:34:56He threatened him

00:34:58Telling him right away

00:34:59Come back again

00:35:00On Ruella Street

00:35:01Which is the road then

00:35:01Where in short

00:35:02My father

00:35:02He had set off

00:35:03To travel

00:35:04The usual path

00:35:05And I'll skin you

00:35:06But

00:35:06In this location

00:35:07In which he received

00:35:08This threat

00:35:08Even stronger

00:35:10According to him

00:35:11He was alone

00:35:14Probably

00:35:15It has nothing to do with it

00:35:15With the disappearance

00:35:16By Nicola

00:35:17But maybe

00:35:18That man

00:35:18You might know

00:35:19Something useful

00:35:22We decide so

00:35:23To return to him

00:35:24To ask him

00:35:25If you can give us

00:35:26His version

00:35:27Some facts

00:35:27But on the contrary

00:35:31To our previous one

00:35:32Encounter

00:35:32The man

00:35:33He's walking away

00:35:34Quickly

00:35:40Listen

00:35:41I want to ask something

00:35:42I want to go back to work

00:35:43Oh but just a moment

00:35:44There is a complaint here

00:35:46What they discovered

00:35:47The daughters

00:35:47What a Nicola

00:35:49He had done

00:35:49In his regard

00:35:55We are waiting for him

00:35:56Let's go back to look for it

00:35:57We call it

00:35:58Until the afternoon

00:35:59Forwarded

00:36:00But it really seems so

00:36:01That he

00:36:02Don't want it anymore

00:36:02Leaving the house

00:36:03Is anyone there?

00:36:04So we leave him

00:36:05My number

00:36:06By phone

00:36:07Declaring to him

00:36:08My availability

00:36:09In case

00:36:10Let him decide

00:36:10To speak

00:36:11Okay

00:36:40Nicola's daughter

00:36:42My

00:36:43I think

00:36:45I do not know

00:36:45Because it's seven months

00:36:47That is no longer seen

00:36:48It no longer exists

00:36:49Those lands

00:36:50I know him

00:36:51When I did

00:36:52The third party account

00:36:5350 years ago

00:36:55But they found nothing

00:36:56It means there is nothing

00:37:00For the daughters

00:37:01For the sisters

00:37:02For many family members

00:37:03Friends

00:37:04Nicholas

00:37:05He didn't go away

00:37:06From Basilice

00:37:07He was a victim of it

00:37:08Of an accident

00:37:09In the village

00:37:10We can't

00:37:10Speak

00:37:11The Sisters

00:37:12Why?

00:37:15Why

00:37:16There is

00:37:16Someone

00:37:18He knows something

00:37:19Oh

00:37:20So they wouldn't say that

00:37:21To you

00:37:21Certain

00:37:22They don't speak

00:37:23Oh

00:37:23No

00:37:24No

00:37:25They don't tell you anything

00:37:26There is too much mertà

00:37:30But according to her

00:37:31Did something happen to him?

00:37:32Yes

00:37:33Yes

00:37:34We have suspicions

00:37:35But we can't

00:37:37But he had asked

00:37:38Money for everyone

00:37:39No?

00:37:40It's not possible

00:37:40That there was someone

00:37:42Who wanted revenge?

00:37:43But they even said it

00:37:44Someone

00:37:45Who took revenge

00:37:46He was looking for money

00:37:48But I say

00:37:49No

00:37:49Don't give him any more money

00:37:53This is one of Nicola's sisters

00:37:55For many years

00:37:56They no longer saw each other

00:37:57But equally

00:37:59He asked us if he could talk

00:38:00Why does he suffer?

00:38:01For the disappearance

00:38:02About his brother

00:38:03And hope

00:38:04That we can help

00:38:05In research

00:38:06I had pushed him away

00:38:08But

00:38:09He was always my brother

00:38:11Anyway

00:38:12When it happened

00:38:13The misfortune

00:38:15I

00:38:15Not

00:38:15Since then

00:38:17We are just

00:38:18Desperate

00:38:19Let's say

00:38:20Because anyway

00:38:22He was my brother

00:38:27From the days

00:38:28Of the disappearance

00:38:28By Nicola Paolozza

00:38:30In the small town

00:38:31By Basilice

00:38:31In the province of Benevento

00:38:33About the matter

00:38:34Everyone moves forward

00:38:35Your own hypotheses

00:38:36It's said about everything

00:38:37And reigns

00:38:38A big mess

00:38:39The only thing that's certain

00:38:40It's that

00:38:41In the evening

00:38:41Of August 11th

00:38:43The cell phone

00:38:44By Nicola

00:38:44It has passed away

00:38:45And there are no more

00:38:46The messages have been sent

00:38:47Except one

00:38:48At 6.30pm

00:38:49That was never known

00:38:51Who it was addressed to

00:38:52Us on the 13th in the morning

00:38:54We realized

00:38:54That there was an anomaly

00:38:55Precisely

00:38:55Because my father

00:38:56Besides not calling us

00:38:57The day before

00:38:58He no longer had

00:38:59Logged in

00:39:01About apps

00:39:02Of messaging

00:39:03Snapshot

00:39:04So

00:39:04And it was unusual

00:39:05Why him?

00:39:05It was always

00:39:06With the phone in hand

00:39:07He was always texting

00:39:08However he was very active

00:39:10Last access

00:39:11It was precisely

00:39:11At 6.36pm

00:39:12Of August 11th

00:39:14Now on the disappearance

00:39:15By Nicola Paolozza

00:39:16He is investigating

00:39:17The Benevento Prosecutor's Office

00:39:19And the investigations

00:39:20They deal with

00:39:21The Carabinieri

00:39:22Of the station

00:39:22By Basilice

00:39:23We know

00:39:24That there is a file

00:39:25Opened in the prosecutor's office

00:39:27But we don't know

00:39:28Of what nature

00:39:28We don't know

00:39:29If it's an investigation

00:39:30For voluntary departure

00:39:34Kidnapping

00:39:35Homocide

00:39:36We don't know

00:39:37Of what nature

00:39:38Let this file be

00:39:39We know there is

00:39:40An ongoing investigation

00:39:41This thing

00:39:41It won't fall anyway

00:39:42Into oblivion

00:39:42In the sense

00:39:43At any time

00:39:44Of my life

00:39:45I will fight

00:39:46So that

00:39:47Let the truth come out

00:39:48That is, I have to find out

00:39:50What happened

00:39:50To my father

00:39:51And I won't stop

00:39:51In front of nothing

00:39:53So it's important

00:39:54That anyone

00:39:55Have

00:39:56A suspicion

00:39:58An idea

00:39:58Or a hint

00:40:00Or that he knows something

00:40:01Have some information

00:40:02Bring it out

00:40:04Because I will put it there

00:40:05All my strength

00:40:07To find out the truth

00:40:09I won't give up

00:40:10In front of nothing

00:40:17Now the mysterious

00:40:18Disappearance of Peter

00:40:19Conversano

00:40:20He's a husband

00:40:21But it is also

00:40:22A financier

00:40:23He could leave

00:40:24The wife

00:40:25A ticket

00:40:26With an explanation

00:40:27Anything

00:40:29But it doesn't disappear

00:40:30As

00:40:30Voluntarily

00:40:31So we ask ourselves

00:40:32If it has been done

00:40:34Disappear

00:40:35And from whom?

00:40:36And why?

00:40:36We are with the lawyer

00:40:38Of the family

00:40:38To the companies

00:40:39With Igor

00:40:42Lampugnani

00:40:43Good evening

00:40:43Lampugnani

00:40:44Why is he a consultant?

00:40:45Computer scientist

00:40:46That helps us

00:40:47To understand

00:40:48With pictures

00:40:49What do we have?

00:40:49If there is anything

00:40:52What can they tell us?

00:40:53These images

00:40:54To get there

00:40:55To the truth

00:40:56But first

00:40:57The service

00:40:57The case

00:40:58With Raffaella Grigi

00:40:59And Maria Chiara

00:41:00Iacovucci

00:41:09Today is a beautiful day

00:41:13Sarghi, mullets

00:41:15Nothing

00:41:15But look

00:41:26A

00:41:27And two

00:41:30Two nice snappers

00:41:34Peter Conversano

00:41:36For everyone

00:41:36Piero

00:41:37He tells his wife

00:41:38Which has a special mission

00:41:39He leaves the house

00:41:40And he never comes back

00:41:41Disappeared

00:41:43Or rather

00:41:44Someone made it disappear

00:41:46For those who love him

00:41:48These are nightmare times

00:41:49Of pain

00:41:51Of anger

00:41:52From

00:41:53Of not knowing

00:41:57We are thirsty

00:41:58Of truth

00:41:58In my opinion

00:41:59Something happened to him

00:42:02Something happened to him

00:42:03Because he would never leave

00:42:05The children

00:42:07And the parents too

00:42:09Because they are the most important things

00:42:12Piero is a man

00:42:13Which everyone describes

00:42:14Friendly

00:42:15Family-loving

00:42:16To the two children

00:42:17To the fishing hobby

00:42:19And the kitchen

00:42:20HI

00:42:22The Katia ring

00:42:23It's always down there

00:42:24The cup

00:42:25Yes yes

00:42:26It's always there

00:42:27You never touched it again

00:42:28Ninth

00:42:28It's always there

00:42:29How Piero left it

00:42:31Well yes

00:42:31It is not known what Piero meant

00:42:34Leaving the wedding ring

00:42:35After 32 years

00:42:37Inside the cupboard

00:42:38Before saying goodbye to Katia

00:42:41Where we went

00:42:42The last time

00:42:42I remember you

00:42:43Yes I remember

00:42:44Now you've also added

00:42:46Your

00:42:46A gesture full of meaning

00:42:49Like some signals

00:42:50That for Katia

00:42:51They have an important value

00:42:53Very tender

00:42:55Everywhere I go

00:42:56I find hearts

00:42:56I believe in my signs

00:42:58I find them everywhere

00:43:00Raffaella

00:43:00Of all

00:43:01Moreover

00:43:02Yes

00:43:02I find these on the street

00:43:04Little heart

00:43:05The biggest one

00:43:05These

00:43:06Iron

00:43:08I mean, I don't find them.

00:43:09Once

00:43:09I washed my hair

00:43:10A heart shape has formed

00:43:11A hair of mine

00:43:12For me they are messages

00:43:13On his part

00:43:14To say

00:43:16Maybe I'm wrong

00:43:17To say

00:43:20Look for me

00:43:23Look for me

00:43:24And I haven't stopped looking

00:43:26It's been seven years

00:43:26What am I looking for?

00:43:27And you know it Raffaella

00:43:28Yes

00:43:29I never gave up

00:43:30And I don't give up

00:44:00Piero

00:44:01Flames' Plant

00:44:29Daughter of the Disappeared

00:44:31And he gave him the lactic ferments

00:44:33Just because

00:44:33Because he wasn't well

00:44:35I have to go

00:44:37He said

00:44:37Where was he supposed to go?

00:44:39To this special mission

00:44:42What he said

00:44:43I do not know

00:44:44In Bari

00:44:44Yes

00:44:45He asked me for warm clothes

00:44:47Of the jacket

00:44:47Yes yes

00:44:48An underwear shirt

00:44:49Heavier

00:44:50He said

00:44:51I have to go

00:44:53You can't call me

00:44:55And I can't call you

00:44:56And I told him

00:44:57How come

00:44:58If I can't call you

00:44:59Because it's a special mission

00:45:01And we can't talk

00:45:02Then he gave me the dress

00:45:03He hugged me

00:45:04And it ended there

00:45:05It's the last kiss

00:45:07Then Piero

00:45:08He goes out without luggage or bags

00:45:10He goes by car

00:45:11From Fasano Monopoli

00:45:12Where is the barracks?

00:45:14Piero once arrived

00:45:16Here in Monopoli

00:45:17Where he works

00:45:18The barracks

00:45:18Of the financial police

00:45:20Park

00:45:21It is framed

00:45:22Both from the cameras

00:45:23Of the barracks

00:45:24Which is no longer here now

00:45:25But it moved

00:45:27Both from the cameras

00:45:28Of a tobacconist

00:45:30Which is not far away

00:45:31After parking the car

00:45:34Locked up

00:45:35And disconnected the cables

00:45:37Of the battery

00:45:37He's heading

00:45:38In the very nearby

00:45:40Train station

00:45:41Of Monopoli

00:45:42Down here

00:45:43At Monopoli station

00:45:45Piero is framed

00:45:46With a backpack

00:45:47On the shoulders

00:45:48While he waits

00:45:49The train

00:45:504.41am to Bari

00:45:51A backpack

00:45:53That when it came out

00:45:54At home

00:45:54He didn't have

00:45:55And what Piero

00:45:56He had photographed

00:45:57With his cell phone

00:45:58Some time before

00:46:00Look

00:46:01This is the backpack

00:46:02Laid on the bed

00:46:03Of the barracks

00:46:04These are two photos

00:46:05Recovered from the cell phone

00:46:07By Piero

00:46:07A backpack

00:46:09Blue and black

00:46:10With the writing

00:46:10Sport

00:46:11The same

00:46:12Which he carries on his shoulders

00:46:13That night

00:46:14Me and my children

00:46:15We have never seen

00:46:15That backpack

00:46:16Never

00:46:16Never seen

00:46:18Never seen

00:46:19It wasn't usual

00:46:20Carrying the backpack

00:46:21Him

00:46:22What was needed?

00:46:23Piero

00:46:23That backpack

00:46:24Sky blue?

00:46:25It was so important

00:46:26Enough to photograph it

00:46:28And keep him in the barracks

00:46:31Piero's first image

00:46:33Here at the Bari station

00:46:34It's 5.18am

00:46:36The last one at 5.29am

00:46:3811 minutes in total

00:46:40Where we don't know

00:46:41What's really happening

00:46:44Piero

00:46:44Piero appears in the atrium

00:46:45As you can see

00:46:46From the cameras

00:46:47Of the station

00:46:48Varese

00:46:48And it starts

00:46:49Towards the exit

00:46:50And it would seem

00:46:52Also interact

00:46:53With some people

00:46:55Which probably

00:46:56They need to be identified

00:46:57At least

00:46:58To understand

00:46:59If they remember anything

00:47:00Of that night

00:47:02Early morning

00:47:02It's 5am

00:47:03February 13th

00:47:04It seems like there is

00:47:06An interaction

00:47:07Among the security guards

00:47:09When Peter arrives

00:47:10Really

00:47:10They would seem

00:47:11Arriving together

00:47:11Two of them

00:47:13In uniform

00:47:13They have the backpack

00:47:14Same as Adidas

00:47:16When then Piero

00:47:17He leaves the station

00:47:18Behind him

00:47:19There is one of the three vigilantes

00:47:21With a briefcase

00:47:22He goes his own way

00:47:24Towards a tobacconist's

00:47:25Which is not framed

00:47:26From the cameras

00:47:27Peter and this security guard

00:47:30They seem

00:47:30There is no look

00:47:31And the security guard

00:47:32Then turn

00:47:33And Peter follows

00:47:35They meet

00:47:36And if so

00:47:37To do what

00:47:39After about three minutes

00:47:40Piero

00:47:41Return to the station

00:47:42It seems with a little bottle

00:47:43In hand

00:47:44Something that glitters

00:47:47Look and look again

00:47:48The timetables of the scoreboards

00:47:51At some point

00:47:52He sets off

00:47:53Towards the platform

00:47:53Where there is a red arrow

00:47:55But he doesn't come on board

00:47:58Return to the entrance

00:47:59It's standing there for a bit

00:48:02While a man

00:48:03With the hood

00:48:04That was out

00:48:05Enter the atrium

00:48:06It's 5.29 in the morning

00:48:09Piero crosses paths with him

00:48:11And he sets off

00:48:13Towards the tunnel

00:48:13Which carries the tracks

00:48:15And it has a secondary exit

00:48:17And this one

00:48:18From Bari

00:48:19This is the last image

00:48:20By Piero

00:48:26At that time

00:48:27Consultant Lampugnani

00:48:28And the lawyer too

00:48:29Lamprese

00:48:29Of the wife

00:48:30Of the daughter

00:48:31You have seen them

00:48:32These images

00:48:33Views and reviews

00:48:34Let's try to dissect them

00:48:36Why they might be important

00:48:37These people

00:48:38Just in case

00:48:39Obviously they have nothing to do with it.

00:48:40But

00:48:41They may have seen

00:48:42Something

00:48:43Because I really am

00:48:44The latest images

00:48:45Di Pietro

00:48:46Conversano

00:48:47At that time

00:48:48We are at the station

00:48:50From Bari

00:48:51AND

00:48:51I don't know if you can put it here

00:48:53There is a man

00:48:54With the briefcase

00:48:56AND

00:48:59Here it is

00:49:00You see that man

00:49:01With the briefcase

00:49:02What follows

00:49:03Peter Conversano

00:49:04AND

00:49:05In these images

00:49:06If we can see them again

00:49:08From the beginning

00:49:09You can see that

00:49:10There is a man

00:49:12Practically

00:49:12At the exit

00:49:13That

00:49:15It's like he did

00:49:16A

00:49:17There it is

00:49:18As if it did

00:49:19A nod

00:49:20No

00:49:20We stopped him

00:49:22Because it's like he does

00:49:23A nod

00:49:23To the man

00:49:24With the briefcase

00:49:25Which in fact turns

00:49:26Which in fact turns

00:49:28As if they were looking at each other

00:49:29He nods

00:49:30And after this nod

00:49:32We can move on

00:49:33With pictures

00:49:34What's happening

00:49:35That

00:49:36After the nod

00:49:37That

00:49:37What does he do?

00:49:38The man

00:49:40Own

00:49:40Which is about to come out

00:49:41Here you are

00:49:42After this nod

00:49:43The man with the briefcase

00:49:44It turns around

00:49:44And as you see

00:49:45Enter

00:49:46In the pictures

00:49:48Of the camera

00:49:48With Versano

00:49:49And the man

00:49:50With the briefcase

00:49:52It seems

00:49:53Somehow

00:49:54Follow him

00:49:55Right?

00:49:56Right

00:49:58They continue after

00:49:59At that time

00:50:00But let's stop

00:50:01About these images

00:50:02So it almost seems like

00:50:03That someone

00:50:04He said

00:50:05It's about to come out

00:50:06With Versano

00:50:06No?

00:50:07Yes, then

00:50:07Among other things

00:50:08They arrive together

00:50:09They

00:50:10The video

00:50:11It starts a moment earlier

00:50:12Maybe it was cut here

00:50:14But they

00:50:15They are coming

00:50:15These vigilantes

00:50:17And immediately

00:50:18Immediately after

00:50:19They make this gesture

00:50:21And Peter arrives

00:50:22And Peter arrives

00:50:22And by the way

00:50:23It's a night time

00:50:24In short

00:50:25Where there are none

00:50:26Many people

00:50:28Now

00:50:28What's going on?

00:50:29Us

00:50:30We saw them disappear

00:50:31No?

00:50:32We saw that Peter

00:50:33He was going

00:50:33He was going out

00:50:38Let's say

00:50:39Another camera

00:50:40We can see

00:50:41If indeed

00:50:42The man with the veil

00:50:43Then continue following

00:50:45With Versano

00:50:45Or go somewhere else

00:50:47Here's the other camera

00:50:49And we see

00:50:50The man with the veil

00:50:51That actually

00:50:53Follows

00:50:53With Versano

00:50:55AND

00:50:55Now they seem to cross paths

00:50:57At that time

00:50:58There is a moment

00:50:58Very special indeed

00:51:00No?

00:51:01What now

00:51:02He was telling you

00:51:03The lawyer

00:51:04Which of course

00:51:05He anticipated it

00:51:06We'll show it again

00:51:08There is a special moment

00:51:10Look

00:51:10The man with the veil

00:51:11It goes on

00:51:12And it seems as if he

00:51:13Have with Versano

00:51:15A moment of hesitation

00:51:16He goes towards the man

00:51:17Of the little sailboat

00:51:18Then turn it over

00:51:20And it continues

00:51:21To go

00:51:22After you

00:51:24And there it is

00:51:25This intersection

00:51:26No?

00:51:27In the

00:51:27That is also

00:51:29In these

00:51:30A few seconds

00:51:31We can see

00:51:32Something

00:51:33And then after

00:51:35They disappear

00:51:35What's going on?

00:51:37Which then you see

00:51:38Who Converse

00:51:39Go back

00:51:41Why does he go?

00:51:41He leaves the station

00:51:43And then he comes back

00:51:43Inside the station

00:51:45Right?

00:51:45Right

00:51:46Exactly

00:51:47At that time

00:51:48So

00:51:49Three minutes later

00:51:50Among other things

00:51:50It's a job

00:51:51What have you done?

00:51:52With the camera

00:51:53To try to

00:51:54You have improved the images

00:51:55You have improved the images

00:51:57These images

00:51:57Which they then gave us

00:51:58The Carabinieri

00:51:59Because when we did

00:52:00The disappearance of Conversano

00:52:02Kindly

00:52:03The Carabinieri

00:52:04They gave us the pictures

00:52:05That for us

00:52:05They are very important

00:52:06How is he dressed?

00:52:07What does he have?

00:52:08The backpack

00:52:09Before disappearing

00:52:11At that time

00:52:11Let's see these other images

00:52:13Look

00:52:14There is a man

00:52:14Who smokes

00:52:15And what a look

00:52:16In the direction

00:52:18From which

00:52:19Then it should

00:52:20Just arriving

00:52:21Conversano

00:52:21AND

00:52:23We see

00:52:24He makes a gesture

00:52:25Let's say

00:52:26Unequivocal

00:52:27Anyway

00:52:27In short

00:52:27It has arrived

00:52:28Conversano

00:52:29What's going on?

00:52:30After you

00:52:31Conversano

00:52:32Now it is

00:52:33To return

00:52:34In the

00:52:35At the station

00:52:36We are precisely

00:52:37At the station

00:52:38From Bari

00:52:38AND

00:52:39What's happening

00:52:41That this man

00:52:42Who was smoking

00:52:43He takes the cell phone

00:52:45It is clearly seen

00:52:46Who takes the cell phone

00:52:47AND

00:52:49There is another one

00:52:50Which is approaching

00:52:51And who looks at it

00:52:52There is an interaction

00:52:53Even among themselves

00:52:54Among themselves

00:52:55That is, they look at each other

00:52:56And I don't know if we can

00:52:58Review the images

00:52:59Because actually

00:53:00This man

00:53:00With the cell phone

00:53:01It seems to send a message

00:53:03In case he's sending

00:53:04A message

00:53:05To his wife

00:53:05We don't know exactly

00:53:07If these people

00:53:08They have something to do with it

00:53:09Or have seen

00:53:10Something

00:53:10At that time

00:53:11As you can see

00:53:12He's smoking

00:53:13Look in the direction

00:53:15Where he went away

00:53:16Conversano

00:53:17AND

00:53:19Conversano

00:53:20Keep walking

00:53:21He goes towards the entrance

00:53:23This man

00:53:24AND

00:53:26That man

00:53:26It was among other things

00:53:27What he had done

00:53:28The nod

00:53:29Before

00:53:29What we had done

00:53:30See first

00:53:31And the same man

00:53:32And now

00:53:33The man who was smoking

00:53:34He takes a cell phone

00:53:35AND

00:53:36Probably

00:53:37Write a message

00:53:38A very quick thing

00:53:39Because then

00:53:40He puts it back

00:53:42In your pocket

00:53:43The two look at each other

00:53:44AND

00:53:45And the scene

00:53:46Let's say

00:53:47It ends here

00:53:48Here because

00:53:49The faces

00:53:50I am

00:53:52Darkened

00:53:52But

00:53:52In the video where

00:53:53The faces

00:53:54They are not obscured

00:53:55It is clearly seen

00:53:56That there is an interaction

00:53:57Between these two people

00:53:58Immediately after

00:53:59The passage

00:54:00From

00:54:00Conversano

00:54:01But

00:54:02We managed to understand

00:54:03Who was this group?

00:54:04Of people

00:54:04What if anything?

00:54:05Let's say

00:54:07Again

00:54:07It has nothing to do with it

00:54:08With the disappearance

00:54:09From Conversano

00:54:09But they are the last people

00:54:10To have seen it

00:54:11Who saw it

00:54:12There is the man

00:54:13With the little sailboat

00:54:14Who follows him

00:54:14I am definitely

00:54:15Some witnesses

00:54:16I am definitely

00:54:17They are security guards

00:54:20In service

00:54:22By virtue of a contract

00:54:24At the time

00:54:25At the station

00:54:25From Bari

00:54:27Or rather

00:54:28The uniforms

00:54:29I'm from this

00:54:30Of these security guards

00:54:32Then we don't know

00:54:33If indeed

00:54:33These were in service

00:54:34At that moment

00:54:35In Bari

00:54:35And what were they doing there?

00:54:36At 5 in the morning

00:54:37The service

00:54:38It was guaranteed

00:54:39Even at night

00:54:39It ended at 6 in the morning

00:54:41So they were people

00:54:42That they controlled

00:54:43Let's say

00:54:43So we know

00:54:44That the security guards

00:54:45Of that company

00:54:47They were busy

00:54:48At the Bari station

00:54:49And the uniforms are those

00:54:50We don't know

00:54:50If these security guards

00:54:51Why the uniforms?

00:54:52They are the same

00:54:52For all stations

00:54:53From Italy

00:54:54We don't know

00:54:54If these security guards

00:54:55Actually

00:54:56Those were the ones

00:54:57In service

00:54:58At that moment

00:54:58In Bari

00:54:59Maybe they were

00:54:59From another station

00:55:00And they were there

00:55:01For other reasons

00:55:02Certainly

00:55:03They are witnesses

00:55:04They are the last people

00:55:05Having seen

00:55:05So we

00:55:06What we ask for

00:55:08It's about coming forward

00:55:09Then just in case

00:55:09They didn't see anything

00:55:11And they were made

00:55:11Just good evening

00:55:13In short

00:55:14But if we show it again

00:55:16Even the first images

00:55:18Those ones there

00:55:19In which there is

00:55:19A backpack

00:55:20He has a backpack

00:55:21On the shoulder

00:55:22What's going on?

00:55:23That he

00:55:25It comes out of the

00:55:25It goes on

00:55:26Backwards

00:55:27For this station

00:55:28Then at a certain point

00:55:29He disappears from the cameras

00:55:30He always has a backpack

00:55:33Followed by this man

00:55:34With the little suitcase

00:55:36So what?

00:55:37Obviously

00:55:38Let the lawyer be

00:55:38To the enterprise

00:55:39That Ampugnani

00:55:39They asked themselves

00:55:40If by chance

00:55:41Then he put

00:55:42Something

00:55:43In this backpack

00:55:45In a moment

00:55:45In which it does not come

00:55:46Taken from

00:55:48Cameras

00:55:49Meaning what

00:55:49Among other things

00:55:50He said

00:55:50The wife

00:55:51A lie

00:55:52What was he supposed to do?

00:55:53A special mission

00:55:54He was very worried

00:55:55In those days

00:55:56It wasn't the usual

00:55:57To converse

00:55:58It wasn't the usual

00:55:59Husband

00:55:59Calm

00:56:00It was as if

00:56:02If he were afraid

00:56:03The fear

00:56:03About something

00:56:04Something that was

00:56:05To happen

00:56:06Or something he had to do

00:56:08Or something he had to do

00:56:10What he didn't want to do

00:56:11Something illegal

00:56:13Why one

00:56:13Why does he have to say

00:56:14To his wife

00:56:15I'm on a special mission

00:56:17Even the physical state

00:56:19Of the night

00:56:19The fact of having

00:56:20Had

00:56:21The night

00:56:23One night

00:56:23Particularly agitated

00:56:24It seems to lay down

00:56:25For this possibility

00:56:27There is a technical detail

00:56:28Not a small thing

00:56:29Him

00:56:29Turn off the phones

00:56:46He from

00:56:47They are all things

00:56:48What do we show?

00:56:48Among the spectators

00:56:49We did it

00:56:50What is called

00:56:50The combo

00:56:51That is, we put

00:56:51In comparison

00:56:53To converse

00:56:54With the backpack

00:56:54Before and after

00:56:55With the backpack

00:56:57I don't know

00:56:58In short

00:56:58If it seems

00:57:00Different

00:57:01That is, as if he had

00:57:02We did some experiments

00:57:04Trying to take the measures

00:57:05And indeed

00:57:06It looks different

00:57:07That is, it seems more filled

00:57:09It looks more filled

00:57:10It looks very good

00:57:11Here in this sequence

00:57:12Here you can see

00:57:13Which is definitely different

00:57:15Because this is another one

00:57:16Camera image

00:57:17This is a camera

00:57:18Of an ATM

00:57:19Of an ATM

00:57:20Then I have a lot of cameras

00:57:22Which they have taken back

00:57:23Even if they are always missing

00:57:24Those famous three minutes

00:57:26Between one camera and another

00:57:27Maybe he was out

00:57:30At that time

00:57:31But

00:57:32Let's move on

00:57:33With ours

00:57:35Raffaella Grigia Maria

00:57:36Chiara Iacogucci

00:57:37Why

00:57:37At some point

00:57:39The alarm goes off

00:57:40The alarm goes off

00:57:41AND

00:57:42Of course then you

00:57:44With the cell phone

00:57:45From Conversano

00:57:46Find some things

00:57:47That actually

00:57:48They all need to be verified

00:57:50To be understood

00:57:51Some special photographs

00:57:53There is at a certain point

00:57:54An armored vehicle

00:57:55In a square

00:57:57That we didn't understand well

00:57:59Which

00:57:59So

00:57:59Let's move on

00:58:00With history

00:58:30Knowing him

00:59:01Piero had to go back

00:59:01They despair

00:59:02It turns out

00:59:03It turns out then

00:59:03What a Piero

00:59:04He had thousands of euros

00:59:05Of debts

00:59:06With credit institutions

00:59:07He will also be tried

00:59:09For desertion

00:59:10But he

00:59:11What happened to

00:59:12For us

00:59:13For us

00:59:13Peter

00:59:13He disappeared

00:59:14February 13th

00:59:15From 2019

00:59:16He didn't come back

00:59:17At home

00:59:17Not by his own will

00:59:19The hypothesis

00:59:20It's either kidnapping

00:59:21In person

00:59:21Or voluntary homicide

00:59:22Which would also give

00:59:23The prosecution

00:59:24To the instruments

00:59:24To be able to

00:59:25To carry out

00:59:26An investigation

00:59:26More incisive

00:59:27Compared to that one

00:59:28Made in February

00:59:29From 2019

00:59:29When instead

00:59:30It was hypothesized

00:59:31A model 45

00:59:32So one fact

00:59:33Not constituting a crime

00:59:34Which in fact

00:59:35Then it ended

00:59:36The file

00:59:37It was archived

00:59:38Without

00:59:39Let's say

00:59:40No

00:59:40No results

00:59:41There are more photos

00:59:43Found on the cell phone

00:59:44By Piero

00:59:45That are impressive

00:59:45One is that

00:59:47Of a van

00:59:47It's a photo

00:59:49To a plant

00:59:50Surveillance

00:59:51Which frames

00:59:53A van

00:59:54Of armored vehicles

00:59:55Own

00:59:55As it happens

00:59:55It would be interesting

00:59:56Then maybe

00:59:57Make an appeal

00:59:58If anyone

00:59:59Recognizes the square

00:59:59Why us

01:00:00We failed

01:00:01To understand

01:00:01What a place it is

01:00:02Something

01:00:03To be further explored

01:00:03As well as

01:00:04To be further explored

01:00:05It's the photo

01:00:06Of a small boat

01:00:07Taken at night

01:00:09That one too

01:00:09On the cell phone

01:00:10By Piero

01:00:11There's this little one

01:00:12Boat

01:00:12With some packages

01:00:13Which seems

01:00:14In short

01:00:14Very suspicious

01:00:15With

01:00:15A container

01:00:17A backpack

01:00:19In short

01:00:19Which seems to have

01:00:20Within

01:00:22Of the

01:00:22Of the material

01:00:25Which could

01:00:25Make people think

01:00:26To drugs

01:00:28It was over

01:00:29It was over

01:00:29In some

01:00:30Strange Gero

01:00:30Piero

01:00:31Despite himself

01:00:32He had discovered

01:00:33Some traffic

01:00:34Piero has always been

01:00:36Impeccable

01:00:36He is a good person

01:00:39We tried

01:00:40Learn more

01:00:41From a colleague

01:00:41What a great thing

01:00:42That February 13th

01:00:43He calls him

01:00:44Over and over again

01:00:45Morning and afternoon

01:00:47When again

01:00:48Nobody knew

01:00:49What a Piero

01:00:49He had disappeared

01:00:50But he never has

01:00:51Answered

01:00:54Not even the messages

01:00:55We asked

01:00:57To the prosecutor's office

01:00:58To hear it

01:00:59Maybe

01:00:59Some information

01:01:01Which can be useful

01:01:02And it's useful

01:01:03It would also be nice to know

01:01:04Who do they belong to?

01:01:05Some numbers

01:01:06What Piero had

01:01:07Telegraph 1

01:01:08And Telegraph 2

01:01:09It's like it was

01:01:11An abbreviated surname

01:01:12And a surname

01:01:13If it were a surname

01:01:14It would be a surname

01:01:15Particular

01:01:16Questions about questions

01:01:18They also concern

01:01:19Piero's car

01:01:20Katia takes us

01:01:22To see her

01:01:22It's parked in the garage

01:01:24For 7 years

01:01:25Since

01:01:26Meaning what

01:01:26It's gone

01:01:27To recover it

01:01:27In the barracks

01:01:28Monopoli

01:01:29Where was it?

01:01:29Under seizure

01:01:37The car

01:01:38It's a light blue Peugeot

01:01:39It's all

01:01:40Dusty

01:01:41Katia puts on

01:01:42A glove

01:01:42And he opens it

01:01:43Lacks

01:01:44He rests

01:01:45Head

01:01:46Front and back

01:01:47It's a bit

01:01:47Rummaged

01:01:48In

01:01:48That's all

01:01:49Would he ever have

01:01:51Left like this

01:01:52A bit'

01:01:52In disarray

01:01:53No

01:01:55Even in front

01:01:56No

01:01:56Him

01:01:57He always used the car

01:01:59She was always tidy

01:02:00No search report exists

01:02:02Why was it never delegated?

01:02:04This activity

01:02:04From the Public Prosecutor's Office of Bari

01:02:06It's an initiative of the Guardia di Finanza

01:02:08Legitimate

01:02:09Because we believe

01:02:10And this is also a very important thing

01:02:11That the Guardia di Finanza

01:02:13I have done

01:02:13An activity

01:02:15Administrative

01:02:15So not connected

01:02:16To a criminal proceeding

01:02:18To a file

01:02:19So not as judicial police

01:02:20With the obligation to report

01:02:21To the public prosecutor

01:02:22To understand what had happened

01:02:24It's right

01:02:24And why?

01:02:25In her opinion

01:02:26There are these

01:02:27Headrest

01:02:27Ghost

01:02:29They took it away from him

01:02:30To check something

01:02:32But then why?

01:02:33They are not put back in place

01:02:35Or they are not left

01:02:37Maybe even

01:02:37Uprooted

01:02:38Inside the car

01:02:39Yes

01:02:40The machine that was

01:02:41Sale

01:02:41And it permeates

01:02:42It is not clear

01:02:43Why was it

01:02:43Completely dismantled

01:02:45There is no natural fashion

01:02:47That it has not been removed

01:02:48And then

01:02:50More photos

01:02:51Photos that Piero

01:02:52He was in the barracks

01:02:53On monitor

01:02:53Surveillance

01:02:54How come

01:02:57Questions

01:02:57Without answers

01:02:59For me it was an appointment

01:03:00And there was a machine

01:03:01What was waiting for him?

01:03:01I don't know if it was a date

01:03:03At work

01:03:04Or an appointment

01:03:05For more

01:03:05For the money

01:03:08I do not know

01:03:09Why

01:03:09Another situation

01:03:12Family

01:03:13Another lady

01:03:14In the middle of

01:03:15It doesn't seem like there is

01:03:16I don't think so.

01:03:17For a woman

01:03:19You can leave

01:03:21Of the children

01:03:21Hand

01:03:22We talk to the wife

01:03:23Yes there is divorce

01:03:25And he grants himself

01:03:26But no

01:03:27I don't think it is

01:03:29There is something

01:03:30A little more

01:03:32Dark

01:03:33Let's say

01:03:33A little more

01:03:34Dangerous

01:03:35For me

01:03:35I do not know

01:03:36And to Piero

01:03:38What would you like?

01:03:39To say

01:03:39Anyway

01:03:40Who had to speak

01:03:42With me

01:03:43And what

01:03:44When it is said

01:03:45A wedding

01:03:47In the good

01:03:47In bad times

01:03:48We are talking

01:03:49We are talking

01:03:51Is found

01:03:52The solution

01:03:52To all things

01:03:53Certain

01:03:54We want the truth

01:03:58Understand

01:03:58What happened

01:04:07You explain it to us well

01:04:09This fact

01:04:09Of the machine

01:04:10Meaning what

01:04:11He disappears

01:04:12He is a financier

01:04:13The disappearance

01:04:14Naturally

01:04:14It's a mystery

01:04:15But it comes

01:04:17Seized

01:04:18This machine

01:04:18What is it?

01:04:19At that time

01:04:20The car

01:04:21Peter parks it

01:04:22As we have seen

01:04:22In front of the barracks

01:04:23Of the time

01:04:24Of the financial police

01:04:25There

01:04:26The same financial police

01:04:28That same evening

01:04:29When it then emerges

01:04:30The disappearance

01:04:32Bring the car

01:04:33Within

01:04:34Of the barracks

01:04:34In the courtyard

01:04:35And there it will remain

01:04:36For 20 days

01:04:37But there is not

01:04:38A provision

01:04:38Of seizure

01:04:39And there is not

01:04:40A report

01:04:41Of search

01:04:42The car

01:04:42Was

01:04:43Practically

01:04:44Dismantled

01:04:46This happens

01:04:47Why

01:04:47Because unfortunately

01:04:48In addition to the

01:04:49Two stories

01:04:50Judicial

01:04:51What are they?

01:04:51Achieved

01:04:52On the disappearance

01:04:53Di Pietro

01:04:53So the opening

01:04:54Of the file

01:04:55To the prosecutor's office

01:04:55From Bari

01:04:56Last place

01:04:57In which Peter

01:04:57It was seen

01:04:58Afterwards

01:04:58To the complaint

01:04:59Of disappearance

01:05:00Of the family

01:05:00It's the story

01:05:02Judicial

01:05:02Which instead

01:05:03He saw himself under investigation

01:05:04Peter

01:05:05For desertion

01:05:06To the prosecutor's office

01:05:06Military

01:05:07From Naples

01:05:07And then

01:05:08With the following

01:05:10Process

01:05:10Which has stopped

01:05:11Precisely

01:05:11Why

01:05:11It was not possible

01:05:12Notify

01:05:13To Peter

01:05:14The measures

01:05:16There is a third

01:05:17Director

01:05:18There are three lines

01:05:19Who have traveled

01:05:20Parallels

01:05:20And they didn't

01:05:21Never crossed paths

01:05:22And she's a director

01:05:22Of an administrative nature

01:05:23That is the guard

01:05:24Of finance

01:05:25Legitimately

01:05:26He played

01:05:27Some investigations

01:05:27Of an administrative nature

01:05:29So without the obligation

01:05:29To report

01:05:30To the prosecutor's office

01:05:30As if they were internal

01:05:31An internal investigation

01:05:33An internal activity

01:05:34Exact

01:05:35Surely

01:05:36In this issue

01:05:37Of internal investigation

01:05:38There are at least two things

01:05:39Of great interest

01:05:40The images

01:05:41Which have not been paid

01:05:43In neither of two files

01:05:45I'm talking about the images

01:05:45Of the tobacconist

01:05:47And the images

01:05:47Of the barracks

01:05:48Of the financial police

01:05:49And this

01:05:50This kidnapping

01:05:51And above all

01:05:52The search

01:05:53Of the car

01:05:53But then

01:05:54The car however

01:05:55It remains in the courtyard

01:05:56No?

01:05:57So it remains available

01:05:58They

01:05:58That is, anyway

01:05:59Who is taking it apart?

01:06:00This car?

01:06:02This

01:06:03It is evidently

01:06:04They

01:06:05Being at their disposal

01:06:07Then it is delivered

01:06:08To his wife

01:06:09So it's not that it remains

01:06:10Let's say abandoned

01:06:11In front of the station

01:06:13Of Monopoli

01:06:13Or somewhere else

01:06:15Absolutely not

01:06:15Among other things

01:06:15When we went

01:06:16To see this car

01:06:17We were very impressed

01:06:18Why

01:06:19Opening it

01:06:20We realized

01:06:21That

01:06:21As I was saying on the phone

01:06:22Each molding

01:06:23Each panel

01:06:25It has been removed

01:06:26And reassembled

01:06:27As if one were looking for

01:06:28Something

01:06:36Something

01:06:37They have to dismantle

01:06:38All panels

01:06:38This is a curiosity

01:06:39That I asked myself

01:06:40For God's sake

01:06:41But one more thing

01:06:42Very strange

01:06:43It's that they are missing

01:06:45Three

01:06:45No

01:06:46Four headrests

01:06:47Out of five

01:06:48Four headrests

01:06:49Out of five

01:06:50Exact

01:06:50At that time

01:06:51Mystery within the mystery

01:06:53Then you these images

01:06:54Actually you have them

01:06:55Vote with us

01:06:56No?

01:06:56The lawyer

01:06:57Meaning what

01:06:57You asked us

01:06:58Unfortunately the images

01:06:59There have been no

01:07:00Granted

01:07:01Not even from the financial police

01:07:03Not even from the police

01:07:03Who investigated

01:07:05Despite

01:07:07Both prosecutors

01:07:08Which instead they investigated

01:07:09They gave us

01:07:09The possibility

01:07:10To view

01:07:11Of files

01:07:11To log in

01:07:12To all that was there

01:07:14So I would like to see

01:07:15To our viewers

01:07:16Again

01:07:16This photograph

01:07:18It's a photograph

01:07:19Of a van

01:07:20Why are you looking?

01:07:21In Conversano's cell phone

01:07:22There are some things

01:07:23That actually

01:07:24They are mysterious

01:07:25Meaning what

01:07:25Because he holds

01:07:26The photography

01:07:28Of this

01:07:29I don't know

01:07:29An armored vehicle

01:07:30What is it?

01:07:32It looked like an armored vehicle

01:07:33It's an armored car

01:07:35It's an armored car

01:07:36Excuse me

01:07:36It is evidently

01:07:38It's a parking lot

01:07:38Not this

01:07:39But you didn't understand

01:07:41We failed

01:07:43To understand

01:07:43So we ask

01:07:45Right to the viewers

01:07:47If by chance

01:07:47You recognize this place

01:07:49This parking lot

01:07:50Why

01:07:51In the

01:07:52In this cell phone

01:07:54Conversano

01:07:54We don't know why

01:07:55There was this photograph

01:07:57Then there was photography

01:07:58Of the boat

01:07:58With this strange package

01:08:00But a boat

01:08:01Then he

01:08:01He no longer has

01:08:02What he had

01:08:03The company

01:08:04With a colleague

01:08:05Which he then sold

01:08:05At that time

01:08:06There is a family

01:08:08Naturally

01:08:08Destroyed

01:08:10And the dad too

01:08:11By Pietro Conversano

01:08:13Look

01:08:13For family members

01:08:14Hope

01:08:15It's the last one

01:08:16To die

01:08:17So sometimes

01:08:17They turn to

01:08:18To the person

01:08:20Which has disappeared

01:08:21Asking

01:08:22Come back home

01:08:23So what?

01:08:24Always through

01:08:25Raffaella Grigi

01:08:26The appeal

01:08:27Of the father

01:08:27From Conversano

01:08:29Hello Piero

01:08:32He's your dad

01:08:33Who speaks to you

01:08:33With heart in hand

01:08:36He left

01:08:37That have passed

01:08:38Already seven years

01:08:41Without letting us know

01:08:43The reason

01:08:44That's why he left

01:08:47You can't imagine

01:08:49The suffering

01:08:51What are we going through?

01:08:52Us

01:08:54Remember

01:08:55That we

01:08:55We want you

01:08:56So much

01:08:56But so good

01:08:57And if you need

01:08:59Helpful

01:09:00Let us know

01:09:02We are

01:09:04Your family

01:09:05We can't

01:09:07Abandon yourself

01:09:09You think

01:09:10To our pain

01:09:12You think

01:09:13To your mother

01:09:14That makes you hungry

01:09:16And to all

01:09:18Your family

01:09:19Not just for mom

01:09:21Remember

01:09:22If you need

01:09:24Helpful

01:09:25We will be there

01:09:27A big kiss

01:09:28And let's hope

01:09:29That these words

01:09:31May they reach you

01:09:32To your heart

01:09:33And let us know something

01:09:35HI

01:09:36A big kiss

01:09:39So Lawyer

01:09:41But the investigations

01:09:42On the disappearance

01:09:43From Conversano

01:09:43They are open

01:09:44They are closed

01:09:44What are they based on now?

01:09:46Us a month and a half ago

01:09:47We have deposited

01:09:48A request for reopening

01:09:49And for a few days now

01:09:50This is really

01:09:51Good news

01:09:52We had

01:09:53Let's say

01:09:53Consciousness

01:09:54That the investigations

01:09:55They actually resumed

01:09:57Then they left again

01:09:58The investigations

01:09:58There is a file

01:09:59There is a file

01:10:00We know

01:10:00Can we know what for?

01:10:02I believe it is

01:10:03A model 44

01:10:04Because it wouldn't make sense

01:10:05Another model 45

01:10:06At that time

01:10:07When the lawyers

01:10:08They talk to us like this

01:10:09We always pretend

01:10:10From

01:10:10Explain it though

01:10:11Model 44

01:10:12It is a constituent fact

01:10:14It is a constituent fact

01:10:14Report

01:10:14Against the unknown

01:10:16Against the unknown

01:10:17That is, there is no name

01:10:18There are no names

01:10:20It's not written

01:10:20Someone made it disappear

01:10:22Thank you, lawyer.

01:10:36Thanks to you

01:10:42Yes I feel it very well

01:10:43Listen, can you explain it to us?

01:10:45What happened

01:10:46She spoke

01:10:47With ours

01:10:47Anna Maria

01:10:48Starita

01:10:49What did he tell me?

01:10:50Roughly speaking

01:10:52That they have moved away

01:10:53The mother

01:10:54With this son

01:10:54Of sand

01:10:55Even in a wheelchair

01:10:56From a community

01:10:57Yes from a community

01:10:59Mother and child

01:11:00Where the boy

01:11:01Who is 22 years old

01:11:02Almost

01:11:03Practically

01:11:04He lived with his mother

01:11:05Why

01:11:06For years ago

01:11:07The Juvenile Court

01:11:09He had taken away from him

01:11:09Parental responsibility

01:11:11From mother to father

01:11:12Why did they live

01:11:13In condition

01:11:14From novadi

01:11:16In short

01:11:18Irregulars

01:11:19On the national territory

01:11:20At the time

01:11:21Now they have allowed

01:11:22Of stay

01:11:22For medical care

01:11:23So we had agreed

01:11:25Anyway

01:11:25That the child

01:11:26The boy

01:11:28Same in community

01:11:29Mother and child

01:11:30And we say

01:11:31Mom was there

01:11:32As for

01:11:34It was the only one

01:11:34Who could take it?

01:11:35We apologize

01:11:36He took the stairs

01:11:37It was the only one

01:11:38Who could take it?

01:11:39Treatment

01:11:40Why assistance

01:11:41Actually

01:11:42He provided it to her

01:11:43And the problem

01:11:44It's that

01:11:45The father

01:11:46It's a lot

01:11:46Bellinvolatore

01:11:47Even the father

01:11:48He lives on the street

01:11:50AND

01:11:52Monday

01:11:52We gave

01:11:53Communication

01:11:54That had to go

01:11:54In community

01:11:55This morning

01:11:56In a RSSA

01:11:59The mother

01:12:00She was happy

01:12:01Of this choice

01:12:02What we had done

01:12:03It was a year

01:12:03What were we waiting for?

01:12:04The place

01:12:05I brought it

01:12:06Yesterday

01:12:08We had made agreements

01:12:09With the community

01:12:10Who he was with

01:12:11For

01:12:12Meet us

01:12:12This morning

01:12:13In RSSA

01:12:14At 7

01:12:15They called me

01:12:16Saying

01:12:17Who is in the afternoon

01:12:17They had gone out

01:12:18And I am no longer

01:12:18Entered

01:12:21Lawyer

01:12:21I wanted to ask you

01:12:22One thing

01:12:22Because we are

01:12:23Showing

01:12:24The photographs

01:12:25But you can see it

01:12:26Only the face

01:12:27By Maxwell

01:12:29Right?

01:12:30Yes

01:12:30Maxwell

01:12:32But he's in a wheelchair

01:12:34That is, he is invalid.

01:12:35100%

01:12:36I don't know if we also have

01:12:37He has a business

01:12:39Spastic paresis

01:12:41He doesn't speak

01:12:42Let's say

01:12:43It only makes sounds

01:12:45Incomprehensible

01:12:46It's a situation

01:12:47Very sad

01:12:48And then there is also

01:12:50A difficulty

01:12:51To take care of him

01:12:52That is, this mother

01:12:53Yes

01:12:54He took this big boy

01:12:56She moved away

01:12:57But we don't know where

01:12:58There is a difficulty

01:13:00True

01:13:01Real

01:13:01So

01:13:02Yes

01:13:02Objective

01:13:03Own

01:13:04I don't know

01:13:04They don't even have money

01:13:06Why me

01:13:06I didn't give it to him

01:13:07In short

01:13:08I sit down

01:13:09So they are

01:13:10Moved away yesterday

01:13:12We are in Conversano

01:13:13Bari

01:13:14Right?

01:13:15Yes

01:13:15Conversano Bari

01:13:16Conversano Bari

01:13:17And they moved away

01:13:19Standing

01:13:20Yes

01:13:21Standing

01:13:21They must have taken a train

01:13:22They arrived in Bari

01:13:24The latest news

01:13:25What do we know?

01:13:26Why

01:13:26We got there

01:13:28Making various phone calls

01:13:30A

01:13:30A lady

01:13:31A compatriot

01:13:33Nigerian

01:13:34Practically

01:13:35He called

01:13:36Pretending

01:13:36To know

01:13:37How is it going

01:13:37How is it not going?

01:13:38And he said

01:13:39That the night

01:13:40They had passed it

01:13:41The station

01:13:41That they were

01:13:42In the public gardens

01:13:44In Bari

01:13:44Enough

01:13:45Since then

01:13:45This happened

01:13:46This morning

01:13:47Around nine o'clock

01:13:48Since then

01:13:49We don't know anything anymore

01:13:50At that time

01:13:51No

01:13:51The indications

01:13:52What gave

01:13:52Lawyer

01:13:53They are precise

01:13:54So

01:13:55I add

01:13:55That the lady

01:13:56She is obese

01:13:57But anyway

01:13:57If you see

01:13:58A lady

01:13:58With this boy

01:13:59Who doesn't speak

01:14:00Who is disabled

01:14:01One hundred percent

01:14:01And with her husband

01:14:03And with her husband

01:14:05Of the lady

01:14:05Which is practically

01:14:07Death

01:14:07Walking down the street

01:14:09He's very thin

01:14:11Impressive

01:14:11Maybe even a little

01:14:12At the peak

01:14:13No

01:14:14This is the situation

01:14:15At that time

01:14:16The situation

01:14:17It's worrying

01:14:17We thank you

01:14:18For contacting us

01:14:21And let's hope

01:14:21To bring them

01:14:22In one

01:14:23Precisely

01:14:23In one area

01:14:24Like yours

01:14:25That is safe

01:14:26Thank you

01:14:27Thank you

01:14:27Lawyer

01:14:28Thank you

01:14:30Good evening

01:14:31At that time

01:14:31We know it

01:14:32Every week

01:14:33We continue to follow

01:14:34Connections

01:14:35Which is blocked

01:14:35In Egypt

01:14:36With his little girl

01:14:38March 31st

01:14:39There will be the sentence

01:14:40And she

01:14:41It risks being

01:14:43Condemned

01:14:44To go to prison

01:14:46For adultery

01:14:47And so

01:14:47The days go by

01:14:48It's more and more

01:14:49Disparate

01:14:50His appeal

01:14:52In a week

01:14:54I could take a risk

01:14:54To finish

01:14:55In a prison

01:14:56Egyptian

01:14:56For an accusation

01:14:57False

01:14:58And it's a crime

01:14:59That I have never

01:15:00Clerk

01:15:00I am afraid

01:15:01Because in these

01:15:02Detention facilities

01:15:03They don't come

01:15:04Respect

01:15:06The rules

01:15:06Hygienic-sanitary

01:15:07And above all

01:15:08They are not respected

01:15:10Fundamental rights

01:15:11Some people

01:15:11But above all

01:15:13I am afraid

01:15:14From mom

01:15:15Why would I come

01:15:16Separated

01:15:16From my little girl

01:15:17Just

01:15:18Three years

01:15:19That for her

01:15:20It would be a trauma

01:15:21Huge

01:15:21And he wouldn't be able to

01:15:23To understand

01:15:23Because the mother

01:15:25From one day

01:15:25To the other

01:15:25She disappeared

01:15:26And he can't see her anymore

01:15:27So I make an appeal

01:15:29Not only

01:15:30To the institutions

01:15:31But also

01:15:32To the Italian government

01:15:33And to ours

01:15:33President

01:15:34Georgia Meloni

01:15:36And I also do

01:15:37An appeal

01:15:38To the highest

01:15:38Authority

01:15:39Institutional

01:15:40Like the Pope

01:16:38Let's see right away

01:16:40It has its own identity

01:16:41Who takes the bus

01:16:42It is taken back

01:16:43From the cameras

01:16:44He has a cap

01:16:45In the lead

01:16:46Let's show

01:17:13Let's show

01:17:14To our viewers

01:17:44The Carabinieri

01:17:45Until we meet again

01:17:58Until we meet again

01:17:59Thank you all

01:18:00Thank you all

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