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Paula Andrea Bran Yépez, scomparsa nel 2012, non se n'è andata, abbandonando il suo bambino: secondo la Procura non si è mai allontanata da Farneta. Paula aveva tanti progetti e la mamma che non ha mai smesso di cercarla dice: "Quando è venuta l'ultima volta a trovarmi mi disse che aveva paura di essere uccisa". Sulla vicenda, "Chi l'ha visto?" propone testimonianze inedite. Documenti inediti anche sul caso di Pamela Genini, l'ex modella uccisa a Milano da Gianluca Soncin: secondo gli inquirenti la tomba è stata profanata tra il 27 ottobre e il 2 novembre. L'unico indagato è Francesco Dolci che continua a proclamarsi innocente. Ma Pamela poteva esser salvata? E poi Liliana Resinovich: ancora una proroga per analizzare i reperti, in particolare si confronteranno le fibre ritrovate su Lilly con i vestiti che il marito indossava il giorno della scomparsa. E il fratello Sergio sempre più amareggiato dice: "Arriveremo mai ad una verità? " Come sempre spazio agli appelli, alle richieste di aiuto, alle segnalazioni dei telespettatori di persone in difficoltà.
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00:00:52Good evening everyone and welcome to those who saw a sentence that arrives at night.
00:00:56Yes, you all know, the one about Luis da Silva who was acquitted, there were many hours in the Chamber
00:01:03of the Council, but there were also many days that he spent in prison, practically almost two years.
00:01:09And so we were there with our colleagues from TGR Emilia Romagna and we see what happened.
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00:03:40He didn't insult anyone, did he?
00:03:43No, no, he's just happy.
00:03:44I'm happy because some justice has been done.
00:03:49I don't know who will have to do what Mrs. Faganelli is missing, but that too must be done.
00:03:53But what is there beyond happiness? Is there a pension relief? Is there satisfaction?
00:03:58I don't know, I'll be unable to breathe soon, sorry.
00:04:07Reasonable doubt lives before Garlasco.
00:04:10Garlasco probably brought it out in a more striking way, but I think that more than anything else in this story they are
00:04:18were the circumstantial elements that were not adequate
00:04:22and I think we have done so in such a way as to highlight its inconsistency.
00:04:26Now is a very strange moment, in the sense that there is great joy, but surely a follow-up appeal will open
00:04:38in this process, we know this.
00:04:41But today we finally managed to restore Asilva's dignity.
00:04:46We can confidently say that what we have always maintained is also shared by the Rimini Assize Court.
00:04:56This is what we can say.
00:05:03When I heard Article 530 my heart burst with joy.
00:05:08And then we must always remind all viewers that the path to the truth...
00:05:14Ah, that's true, it's always an important journey.
00:05:17And by the way, is there anyone who sent videos from the sea and who got a life sentence from Asilva?
00:05:22Hello, Daviduccio!
00:05:24It becomes an instant meme.
00:05:28We can even redo it if you want.
00:05:30There's not enough room for it that we'll do it again.
00:05:41I would like to say...
00:05:43Hello, Daviduccio!
00:05:47So, we all understand who this little David Valeria is talking about.
00:05:53We are in contact with lawyers Fabri and Guidi.
00:05:56Good evening.
00:05:57It's a video call.
00:05:59You're very tired, but we thank you because it's, let's say, your day.
00:06:03Perhaps it is also an unexpected sentence, in some ways.
00:06:09Fabri, Guidi, good evening.
00:06:10I wanted to ask you something right away.
00:06:12We saw on our cover da Silva in the courtroom,
00:06:18then we find him coming out of prison.
00:06:22So there was a time when he had to go to prison for some formalities,
00:06:26to get his things from the court?
00:06:35So, we're having a bit of trouble with this video call.
00:06:41The video call stopped, it's not that they're not answering.
00:06:46But let's see if we can restore it.
00:06:49Why what's happening?
00:06:51Here they are again.
00:06:52Can you hear me? Can you talk to me for a moment so we can see if everything's okay?
00:06:56Yes.
00:06:57Perfect. So I was saying...
00:06:58Can you hear me?
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00:07:00Fabri, Guidi and we see her too.
00:07:03So, he goes through the court where this acquittal was handed down.
00:07:09and then he goes to prison for some formalities,
00:07:12because then we see him coming out of prison and you're always there.
00:07:18Yes, we waited for Da Silva to be released from prison,
00:07:22because first of all it took about a couple of hours
00:07:25so that we could see Da Silva outside of prison again,
00:07:31but above all we wanted to prepare for his exit for a moment
00:07:34and the return to what should be normality.
00:07:37Let's say we were with him until about 7 in the morning.
00:07:41and now Da Silva is in a residential facility
00:07:47waiting to find a definitive destination.
00:07:50Because he doesn't want to live there on Ciclamino Street anymore, right?
00:07:53Mrs. Valeria said it too.
00:07:56The wives decided to leave.
00:07:59I know you'll have a press conference tomorrow.
00:08:01and maybe Da Silva will be there too.
00:08:04But I would like to show our viewers these images.
00:08:07because it passes through the courtroom
00:08:10with this acquittal sentence
00:08:12to Da Silva who then has to return to prison
00:08:14and then he comes out of there a free man after almost two years.
00:08:20Let's see the pictures.
00:08:25Free him!
00:08:35There you go!
00:08:36Go, go!
00:08:38Then do something!
00:08:41It's there! It's there!
00:08:43It's there!
00:08:51Do you want a hand?
00:08:52Do I need to help you?
00:08:53Oh no, who loves you!
00:08:56Yes, yes, yes!
00:08:57Come on, Luis!
00:08:58Luiz!
00:08:59Thank you!
00:09:01Thank you!
00:09:03Luiz!
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00:09:07Great!
00:09:08Great, Luiz!
00:09:10Boys!
00:09:11A statement, counselor.
00:09:13One statement is that there is no statement to make now.
00:09:16Thank you!
00:09:16Put it in, come on, go!
00:09:18So we don't understand each other when we talk.
00:09:20But maybe Luis's smile is worth more than a thousand words this evening.
00:09:23Thank you!
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00:09:32Good morning, come over there!
00:09:33You're not!
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00:09:36Come on, how beautiful!
00:09:40How good!
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00:09:43Good morning!
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00:09:50Go, go.
00:09:55So, lawyers, I wanted to ask you something.
00:09:59We viewers are now accustomed to trials, but we are not all technicians.
00:10:06I heard the President of the Court, we aired it before, maybe we can play it again,
00:10:11which says, given article 530,2 of the code of procedure, this paragraph 2 which is important
00:10:19and then he says, he absolves Luis da Silva from the crime, he wrote to him under head A for not having committed the crime
00:10:26and from the crime he wrote to chapter B because the fact does not exist.
00:10:31Can you explain to us, who are not experts, what this means?
00:10:37That is, does paragraph 2 mean that it is not a complete solution but rather a bit of the old lack of evidence?
00:10:44Yes, good evening.
00:10:47Let's put it this way, it's the old formula of the lack of evidence, in the sense that the circumstantial evidence
00:10:53which was proposed by the Prosecutor's Office did not find any confirmation and therefore this was the chosen formula
00:10:59in a manner deemed correct by the Court of Assizes of Rini.
00:11:06It is certainly a formula that satisfies us and there are obviously some clues
00:11:11which we can consider, for example, what is declared by Manuela Bianchi
00:11:15but then these clues were deemed inadequate, probably not sufficient,
00:11:20this is at least our reading, so the consequence could be
00:11:24what was read by the Assese Prosecutor's Office as a 530 second paragraph.
00:11:28And then head B, because the fact does not exist, is the knife which was the crime that concerns the
00:11:35knife
00:11:36that he had let out of the house, according to the prosecution of course?
00:11:43Exactly, the charge under point B is precisely the illegal carrying of a weapon outside the home,
00:11:49it is a disclaimer because the fact does not exist.
00:11:53So, what happens now? Because we've seen that the Prosecutor's Office has already decided to appeal,
00:11:59so let's say there is a first solution, this is the first degree, but I heard it said
00:12:04So who is Pierina's murderer, but in reality the trial isn't over yet?
00:12:10because the Prosecutor's Office appealed.
00:12:13Unfortunately we always have problems, I see with the video link, then consider
00:12:19that we have to thank the lawyers because they did not sleep all night, they were
00:12:24first to wait for this sentence which arrived after 16 hours of council and then they went
00:12:30In prison, precisely. Now you're getting ready for the roll call, right, Fabri, right, Guidi?
00:12:37Yes, we are now awaiting the filing of the reasons for the ruling, which will take place within 90 days.
00:12:46Once we can read the reasons and understand, as the colleague said, why
00:12:50the Assize Court acquitted pursuant to Article 530 of Toma da Silva from the crime under the heading
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00:12:58which is the one of interest, we will evaluate all the logical steps that are included in the sentence
00:13:05which led to this ruling by the Assize Court. The Prosecutor's Office declared
00:13:11today that will impunity the sentence, therefore we are preparing to support the second degree
00:13:16on appeal in Bologna.
00:13:19And da Silva has no intention of returning to Senegal, may I ask?
00:13:24Worried about your future?
00:13:29Luis da Silva is extremely calm, he has always proclaimed his innocence, he has no need
00:13:35to go elsewhere to escape who knows what and if there is an appeal he will face it calmly
00:13:42the appeal proceedings from Libero, but in Italy.
00:13:47So, and this is important, having faith in justice is also important because
00:13:53first we had the lawyer Guidi who answered questions to the Stasi effect, the effect
00:13:59Garlasco, that is, we must be careful, there must not even be a single reasonable doubt.
00:14:05What happened? We saw da Silva walking back and forth in front of us.
00:14:09at the pharmacy while Valeria was upstairs smiling at her husband.
00:14:15I don't know if we can show images because according to the prosecution it was him who went out
00:14:20of the house, it was him who had left the house and therefore he had lied because he had said
00:14:25who instead had stayed home to sleep. Well, a lot of tests were done.
00:14:31It must be said, here you see Valeria from the balcony observing these tests that are done
00:14:36from the Rimini mobile squad, it must be said that then a gentleman appeared who said
00:14:42no, it was me who passed in front of the pharmacy and that wasn't da Silva, though
00:14:49evidently the prosecution did not believe this gentleman and therefore continued the case anyway
00:14:54this in quotation marks walk. You can see it both during the day and of course if we can show
00:15:02even the night images because they were the most important images because the camera
00:15:06of the pharmacy had shown this shadow, this person who passed in front of the cameras
00:15:12some cameras which were actually inside this pharmacy and which recorded
00:15:18outside. Instead, this experiment is also done at night, at exactly the same time.
00:15:22to see if it really could have been him. Can we say that Emanuela Bianchi was not believed?
00:15:32Lawyers? So, what we've seen now is the issue of the passage of the unknown.
00:15:40in front of the CAM3 which is the evidence on which the first precautionary custody order is based,
00:15:47the genetic order with which da Silva was arrested. Subsequently when
00:15:52the evidentiary incident tells us that there is an incompatibility between the unknown that passes under
00:15:57the CAM3 da Silva due to an incompatibility related to the height of the subject, at that time
00:16:06Emanuela Bianchi's statement comes into play there and this then reinforces the maintenance
00:16:15of the precautionary custody measure in prison of da Silva in the face of the plague of the so-called
00:16:21The crowning achievement of CAM3 is Emanuela Bianchi's declaration. In our opinion, we believe
00:16:27that in the context of the assize trial we have introduced scientific evidence which has
00:16:35certainly removed the effectiveness and confirmation of Emanuela Bianchi's statement. This however
00:16:40it's what we believe, we have to read the reasons to understand if what we
00:16:46we believe this was the intention of the assize gate.
00:16:49We can say that even a hair entered the courtroom thanks to our correspondent
00:16:55Giuseppe Pizzo, who had seen all the photographs, had noticed a hair which however had not been
00:17:00found because it was somehow lost and then it comes back naturally
00:17:06Pierina's body was taken. This hair is a hair that is found right near the
00:17:13Pierina's mouth, poor Pierina's and it's a straight hair, not curly, so also
00:17:19This may have entered into the debate.
00:17:24It is absolutely correct, always within the scope of the reasoning of reasonable doubt or
00:17:31better than beyond reasonable doubt we have had the opportunity to put forward those so-called
00:17:36alternative tracks, those tracks that we considered concrete but which were not adequately
00:17:42investigated and therefore remained unknown. One of these obviously is the presence of this
00:17:47hair in a very particular situation and obviously not attributable to the accused
00:17:53Luisa Silva. So it's something that is placed at the crime scene and that allows us
00:17:58to say that it leads elsewhere.
00:18:00Elsewhere it must be a hair that belongs to someone else. Unfortunately the hair does not
00:18:05there is more, it was lost but it was also important for us that we went there to look for it
00:18:11to also understand that children's toy, that little tractor that was then left
00:18:17in the garage because Mrs. Pierina Paganelli's head was resting there and we
00:18:24amazed that this little tractor, made of plastic and a children's toy, had been left
00:18:30there in the garage. While he was in the very place where Pierina Paganelli was killed
00:18:34she had put her head down so in short everything could have been important. I don't know if we have
00:18:38The pictures of this garage. Can I ask you if Luis and Valeria are leaving not only
00:18:49from Via del Ciclamino but also from Rimini?
00:18:54No, Luis da Silva has no intention of leaving Rimini and shows up regularly
00:19:00at work. Tomorrow will begin all the administrative procedures to renew the documents that
00:19:06in the meantime the detention period has expired and we believe that Valeria Bartolucci too
00:19:11has no intention of leaving Rimini.
00:19:14So it's a problem specific to that house, that garage, that place which in any case caused
00:19:21let's say... You can remind us, then I'll leave you, you can remind our viewers why
00:19:28He's going to trial in prison. He spent almost two years in prison.
00:19:32That is, Pierina had been killed, she couldn't kill, right? Another time there was the problem...
00:19:38of escape to Senegal?
00:19:42So, with the precautionary custody order, two of the cases were deemed to exist
00:19:48elements of a precautionary nature, in short more legitimate, the precautionary order, that is both the
00:19:55both the risk of escape and the risk of repetition of the criminal conduct.
00:19:58So both from the point of view of whether he could evade justice and a possible conviction of
00:20:05apology, both in reference to the possibility that he could retire a gesture of an obviously natural nature
00:20:12violent of that kind. This had been the judge's intention for a criminal agent
00:20:18which then of the examination courts which confirmed, even if subsequently annulled, the ordinance
00:20:26of a precautionary nature by the examining court.
00:20:29So, your client left prison at night a free man, a free man
00:20:36you told us that he will wait for the appeal process, he is not escaping justice, we have
00:20:44I saw him waiting for the sentence and he had a really tense face, a mask
00:20:49of fear and then we saw him instead with this smiling white tank top, in short
00:20:56another person of course, a great relief. So, waiting for the reasons, we need
00:21:0390 days to understand this important decision because it was made through the reasons,
00:21:11I thank the two lawyers and I thank Attorney Fabri and Attorney Guidi. Thank you for being
00:21:16been with us, we know that it was a day, well, hours and hours, let's say, tiring,
00:21:22but for you it is of great satisfaction because of course you managed to get the case acquitted
00:21:29Your client. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Attorney Fabri, and thank you, Attorney Guidi.
00:21:35Good evening.
00:21:35Good evening. So, there are many disappearances, of all types, there are some young girls who
00:21:45They can leave the facilities, but it is good to know where they have gone, who they are with,
00:21:51because as we always say, they could be in danger. So, they are two sisters,
00:21:57both minors and there has been no news of them since June 7th. Their names are Alisia and Sara, they have
00:22:0416 and 12 years old and have moved away from the community that hosted them, Civita and Alfadena. We are in
00:22:11Province of L'Aquila, near Villetta Barrea, which we all probably know. So, we want you
00:22:19make the appeal of their guardian from Minturno heard, because they are from there, he is the mayor
00:22:26and we thank him, because he will make an appeal specifically for these two missing minors.
00:22:32Of deep appreciation to the entire Minturno community. For a few days now, two young minors,
00:22:41Sara and Alisia have disappeared. All search channels have been activated, and law enforcement agencies are
00:22:47They are doing their job. This appeal is addressed to all of you who are listening to me,
00:22:53so that you can, if possible, provide information by calling 112 or contacting
00:23:01To local authorities. Our appeal goes out to Sara and Alisia, and perhaps to someone who is with them.
00:23:10so that they can return home. We are all here ready to stand by you to solve the
00:23:18your problems. So, if they are with someone, it's best for the adult to come forward.
00:23:25because of course there is a great mobilization for these two teenagers. So, we are
00:23:31with Federica, Riccardo Branchini's mother, and the lawyer Elena Fabri, whom we thank. So,
00:23:39I was impressed by these images that Paolo Fattori, our correspondent, gives us,
00:23:44because I see a mother full of scratches on her arms who does everything to look for a trace
00:23:52of his son. Riccardo, you all know, disappeared after leaving his car in front of the dam.
00:23:58of the furlo, but look what happened. We have to think about it, a mother who somehow
00:24:05He lost his son but he doesn't know if he really lost him, if he disappeared, what happened,
00:24:10who continues to go there, to the last place where Riccardo Branchini was looking,
00:24:15to look for what and what he finds.
00:24:51Yes, let's hope so, Paolo.
00:24:58Yes, Paolo, they are becoming his problems.
00:25:02Why?
00:25:03Did Riccardo have it, are you? Riccardo with the boxes, yes, he had it, black and white,
00:25:13black and white.
00:25:14Is there a sachet?
00:25:16No, there's you.
00:25:23Are you tempted by the idea that we're not here?
00:25:25No, now.
00:25:27What was going well?
00:25:41Yes, after the question, is it okay, is it too much, what's up?
00:26:03I'll go and see her, there's a topocrite, there's a topocrite.
00:26:15So, seeing this mother with all the scratches because she goes among the ruins looking for her son's things,
00:26:21Attorney Fabri, perhaps I'm talking nonsense, but the case has been closed,
00:26:24But can finding even one piece of clothing temporarily block the archiving request?
00:26:30We have put forward this request, a genetic comparison,
00:26:36because this underwear could, even according to what mom told us,
00:26:42being Riccardo's, so I think this aspect also deserves further investigation.
00:26:47Right at the beginning of this investigation the first thing that was done was to take Riccardo's dental mask
00:26:52and the toothbrush itself has its own DNA and therefore this aspect could be important,
00:26:57It could be interesting.
00:26:59As we can see, it is a dirty garment that could have been there for a long time, it has some tears.
00:27:04and according to the mother it could correspond to Riccardo's clothes.
00:27:09It would be interesting to delve deeper because we really tried to examine every aspect,
00:27:14there is absolutely no stigmatization of the actions of the prosecution up to now
00:27:19who has always done everything and maybe we could also do this little extra touch to understand
00:27:24If this garment is made by Riccardo, could it change things?
00:27:27It could change things, we don't know but we always say so,
00:27:31Naturally, missing persons cases are not archived because a mother cannot archive her own child.
00:27:38Then you were very good because we showed these rubber tubes
00:27:42that ended up in the Furlo dam and you found one, in fact you found many.
00:27:49So let's go with our Paolo Fattori and Luca Leurini.
00:28:00We remember that Riccardo, on the evening of his disappearance, first wrote a letter left in his room,
00:28:05then after taking the car he heads to the dam where the car was found.
00:28:10Inside are his clothes, as if the boy had undressed or at least changed.
00:28:18Federica can't afford to leave anything out and hands the boxers over to the police for a genetic check.
00:28:26We also find a large black plastic pipe, a large corrugated tube.
00:28:30Is it possible that it's one of the ones we saw in the video that aired two weeks ago?
00:28:37The pipe? Look, there's one over there, hanging above the log.
00:28:44Ready?
00:29:00Lots of debris and pipes, large black corrugated pipes, presumably made of plastic, which almost completely obscure the dam basin.
00:29:09of fire.
00:29:14The floodgates rise and everything is sucked in and dumped downstream.
00:29:18These are shocking images that Federica, the mother of Riccardo, who disappeared from the dam about a year and a half ago,
00:29:25he saw it for the first time during our live broadcast.
00:29:30These images are impressive, aren't they?
00:29:34The two events are unrelated.
00:29:36The images of the sucked pipes date back to two years before Riccardo's disappearance.
00:29:41But for Federica, who had immediately asked for the reservoir to be completely emptied in order to search for her son,
00:29:47Recently denied due to environmental and wildlife protection concerns, these are nevertheless painful images.
00:29:53Did the video hit you, say, the other night?
00:29:56It really struck me.
00:29:58What made you think?
00:29:59I didn't think of anything like that.
00:30:01It made me think that that reservoir is very, very polluted, that it's full of rubbish.
00:30:09They had already told me that the dam was dirty.
00:30:13I was even told by the divers that they were very angry.
00:30:18The first evening, while they were looking for Riccardo, they couldn't see more than 5 centimetres from the spray.
00:30:29After all that stuff has passed under the bulkheads, a voice can be heard whispering ironically.
00:30:35And now, it's the problem of those downstream.
00:30:38A significant sentence, perhaps a little over the top, but it represents well what is happening.
00:30:44But what's happening?
00:30:46It is the evening of September 16, 2022.
00:30:52It has been raining cats and dogs across the region for hours.
00:31:02Along the Borano River, a huge mass of water suddenly descends from the mountain.
00:31:07It passes through the villages of Cantiano, Cagli, up to Acqualagna and the Furlo Gorge, and then down towards the sea.
00:31:16The fury of the water sweeps away everything in its path.
00:31:19Houses, cars, furniture.
00:31:21What remains is only destruction and embankments to be rebuilt.
00:31:27On the Cantiano route, which is 25 kilometers up to Furlo, something like this, everything that the river
00:31:33he found in his course he took away.
00:31:38This is the town of Cagli and in that square there were the rides.
00:31:42Everything destroyed.
00:31:44Among all those materials that have flowed down the river and reached the Furlo Gorge and the
00:31:49dam, there are also those big black floating pipes, dragged from who knows where.
00:31:56Samuele has been working on construction sites for many years and, like other viewers, as soon as he saw the video, he thought he recognized
00:32:03those pipes.
00:32:05Mainly they are pipes used to make sewers, pipes, we call them spillways.
00:32:14A dig needs to be made, the pipe needs to be placed inside and they need to be buried.
00:32:17It is used for, it must be said, clear water, in theory.
00:32:20For clear water, usually normally for clear water.
00:32:25We may have found those same tubes at a Roman dealer.
00:32:29These should be them. They come in various sizes, with different diameters.
00:32:34Plastic, it's material, plastic material.
00:32:37The dam's floodgates were certainly opened to relieve the water pressure due to the exceptional event.
00:32:45Let's get back to the main question.
00:32:47Where did all that debris go? And those pipes? Were they ever recovered?
00:32:57Federica accompanies us to the bed of the Candigliano river.
00:33:00We are downstream from the Furro dam.
00:33:03She often comes here to walk, to look for a clue, anything that can bring her back to wealth.
00:33:16I found everything, clothes, blankets, bottles, a lot of rubbish.
00:33:23Is it all scratched up?
00:33:25Yes, I wanted to see if there were any tubes that you showed in the broadcast.
00:33:33I found so many.
00:33:34And so I moved among brambles and thorns.
00:33:43Some of the pipes are buried, others appear to have branched out and blend in with the vegetation.
00:33:55This one, for example, is in the water and rests on an old bulkhead that is apparently no longer in use.
00:34:01We are a few hundred meters downstream from the dam.
00:34:11This tube is very long.
00:34:14There's so much dirt here.
00:34:19This tube appears huge compared to the others.
00:34:22Looking back at the video of the dam, we notice a pipe with a larger diameter.
00:34:27This.
00:34:29Could it be the same?
00:34:33About four years have passed since the flood.
00:34:36And nature is taking its course, covering everything.
00:34:41I still have doubts.
00:34:44I have doubts, and I have big ones.
00:34:45That Riccardo is coming.
00:34:47We're coming.
00:34:48That it might have gotten stuck underneath.
00:34:53We certainly continue to ask for the dam to be emptied.
00:34:57Indeed, I am very surprised that the bodies and institutions have not sat down at a table,
00:35:03at least to agree on a future date.
00:35:05Because they all formally expressed great solidarity towards this family,
00:35:11but then no one has, let's say in a concrete way, given an answer to the family, in the Pambianchi, in the Branchini.
00:35:20They clean all these dams, it's possible that this one, there are all these problems.
00:35:26They always kept it clean.
00:35:28I remember because he has always lived here.
00:35:32Federica continues her research almost every day,
00:35:35slipping into the brambles along the river bank, close to the dam.
00:35:39He can't give up.
00:35:41Being left without answers is an unbearable pain.
00:35:45Where didn't I understand?
00:35:46I wonder this.
00:35:49Where didn't I understand?
00:35:50Why didn't I understand it?
00:35:52Why didn't I notice?
00:35:55I feel guilty too.
00:35:57Because I could have helped him.
00:36:02Perhaps unconsciously having neglected it.
00:36:05My fear is this.
00:36:08I say unconsciously because I have always tried to be there,
00:36:12to not let him lack anything.
00:36:14It was something that came from inside me,
00:36:16anyway a mother's concern.
00:36:19You know when maybe your child is out and about,
00:36:22one moment you want to know where he is, who he is with.
00:36:24Maybe I'm not alone at home, we've come back.
00:36:29This bothered Riccardo.
00:36:32And he felt controlled.
00:36:38Probably yes, I was too protective.
00:36:48Can I be direct?
00:36:50The concern is that the Furlo dam will not be emptied
00:36:54not so much for the fish, for the good of the fish,
00:36:56but why would a landfill be found
00:36:57which then needs to be disposed of.
00:37:00We will continue to insist.
00:37:02I will submit a new application
00:37:03because given that the motivation that was adopted
00:37:06it's the death of the fish and the emptying of half a day,
00:37:09I believe that once the drought problem is overcome,
00:37:13I'm warning you, the dam needs to be drained
00:37:15because at that point I don't think there are any more reasons
00:37:18to avoid proceeding in this direction.
00:37:19So let's not back down an inch.
00:37:23You are afraid of finding him there,
00:37:24stuck between those pipes, Federica?
00:37:28Or do you think that somewhere?
00:37:31Sometimes I think about it somewhere,
00:37:34sometimes I fear it's down there.
00:37:38But do you want to know?
00:37:39But I want to know because it's impossible to stay like this.
00:37:43If it's not there you'll look for it with another spirit
00:37:47and what I wonder is why?
00:37:50Why aren't there all these problems?
00:37:53with the Furno dam, isn't it at least that big?
00:37:56And then considering that there are also all these pipes,
00:37:59I mean, they were worried about the fish, but...
00:38:02Of course, these images are impressive.
00:38:05Yes, I have the impression that...
00:38:08I wonder, sorry, but I have to ask myself
00:38:11what's there to hide?
00:38:13Is this something that comes to mind?
00:38:16Do they have something to hide under the basin?
00:38:19Of course, because other dams were then emptied, right?
00:38:22We saw one that is really anyway
00:38:24it looks like a dry lake, in short,
00:38:25I think it's the one from Fiastra, right?
00:38:27Yes, in fact I ask myself this too,
00:38:30that is, why the Fiastra dam?
00:38:32Yes, and this one no, which could by the way
00:38:35hide a boy's body.
00:38:37They will replenish the waters at the beginning of July,
00:38:39but not in Furlo, because there is the drought problem.
00:38:42Is this a contradiction?
00:38:45So, Paolo Fattori tells me
00:38:47Look, mom is really desperate, isn't she?
00:38:49By Riccardo Branchini, we will continue to follow you, however.
00:38:53Thank you, Attorney, thank you.
00:38:54Thanks for joining us, we'll see you soon after this short break.
00:39:18Children, girls, when they disappear
00:39:21they remain in the hearts of all of us
00:39:23it's like not thinking about Angela Svelentano.
00:39:25Think that tomorrow is his birthday,
00:39:27he would have turned 33,
00:39:29because she disappeared when she was years old
00:39:32only 3, 30 years ago.
00:39:34But he turns 33 in the world,
00:39:37in the land of the disappeared.
00:39:39The parents with whom we are always in contact
00:39:42through our Filomena Rorro
00:39:44they asked us to remember her
00:39:46and that's right, we do it with this little video.
00:40:14Catello and Maria think she's alive somewhere
00:40:17and then they rightly propose again,
00:40:19you might recognize yourself and you might be reunited with your family.
00:40:25We are with Giacomo Fabris's father.
00:40:29Good evening Luigi, can I call you Luigi?
00:40:34She has a double name, Antonio Luigi.
00:40:37Well, first of all, thank you for coming to us.
00:40:40We have dealt with the case of your son,
00:40:42but we couldn't find it.
00:40:45Can you tell our viewers what happened?
00:40:48One day Giacomo leaves home and never comes back.
00:40:51Yes, he left home on the afternoon of July 21st
00:40:56from last year,
00:40:58without documents, without money, without cash,
00:41:03only with the cell phone that turned off after a few hours
00:41:06and we found nothing more.
00:41:08The Carabinieri intervened immediately
00:41:11and they controlled the countryside,
00:41:14the woods near the house,
00:41:16without any result.
00:41:18There are two hypotheses.
00:41:20I think, what I think,
00:41:22it's that there's a canal nearby
00:41:24very dirty,
00:41:27with very shallow water,
00:41:30that he may have gone there,
00:41:32maybe he went down and couldn't get back up.
00:41:35Who had a sudden illness.
00:41:36An illness, who knows.
00:41:38We are seeing these channels,
00:41:40which have been searched.
00:41:42That is, she is the one who asks,
00:41:44of course, let's look for it,
00:41:45let's look for it where I, as a father,
00:41:47I can't go looking.
00:41:49Sure, I keep looking for it.
00:41:50How can it?
00:41:51I discovered, I tried to illustrate
00:41:54the whole territory,
00:41:55but we haven't found anything yet.
00:41:58The other hypothesis is that it is
00:42:01headed for a bus stop
00:42:03and that he left voluntarily.
00:42:06why molecular dogs,
00:42:09just a few days after his disappearance,
00:42:12they stopped right at a car stop.
00:42:15But after two or three days,
00:42:17I don't know, there are so many people.
00:42:19So, I didn't say we're in Ardea,
00:42:22near Rome,
00:42:24It is also important to say place.
00:42:25But if you saw this boy,
00:42:28now we'll show you the pictures too
00:42:30of him walking, going out.
00:42:32if you have seen this boy,
00:42:34if you can contact us.
00:42:36In short, the dad is really looking for him
00:42:38for months.
00:42:41I don't know if we can show.
00:42:42Here he is, coming out in shorts.
00:42:45These are the latest images we have.
00:42:47The latest pictures, yes.
00:42:48It came out in these...
00:42:49That is, he goes out and then disappears,
00:42:51dressed like this, and then disappears.
00:42:53If we see it again, here, on the big monitor.
00:42:56Where are we here?
00:42:58In a residence,
00:43:01because the mother worked at this network,
00:43:05and they live there.
00:43:07And we're still in Ardea, right?
00:43:09Always in Ardea.
00:43:09And so, he disappears with nothing.
00:43:12Without anything.
00:43:14Our analysis from Venditti,
00:43:15who talks to her,
00:43:16he told me that his son said this sentence.
00:43:20I live well with my illness,
00:43:22that I don't have.
00:43:23Which I don't have, yes.
00:43:24And so...
00:43:25Because the last phone call I made to him
00:43:27it was really...
00:43:29I honestly, since he,
00:43:32before the age of majority,
00:43:33we didn't notice anything.
00:43:34He was a boy like many others.
00:43:36He spent a bit on the computer, on social media.
00:43:38But he had his dreams,
00:43:44his aspirations.
00:43:49Then, everything changed once again.
00:43:52And we didn't even notice this change.
00:43:56It's closed, right?
00:43:56It's closed.
00:43:57It's closed.
00:43:58But not so much.
00:43:59It happened that he got engaged,
00:44:01he went to meet his girlfriend
00:44:04in a small apartment, alone.
00:44:06and then he wanted to get rich.
00:44:08I started to have some worries,
00:44:10from the...
00:44:13And he wanted to get rich with cryptocurrencies.
00:44:16He wanted to get rich with cryptocurrencies.
00:44:19I remember this.
00:44:19Then he talked to me for hours and hours about cryptocurrencies.
00:44:22It was an obsession for him, wasn't it?
00:44:23He had prepared himself well,
00:44:24he knew everything,
00:44:25but it didn't have a result.
00:44:29And when he couldn't get what he wanted,
00:44:35he got very angry.
00:44:37Then there was the girl's separation.
00:44:41After two years of living together,
00:44:44I left him.
00:44:45And he came out very upset
00:44:49from this separation.
00:44:51And then he went into a kind of depression,
00:44:53we can say.
00:44:54Very depressed.
00:44:54He was admitted to the hospital again
00:44:57for 45 days.
00:44:59And then, when he came out,
00:45:00after 20 days he left.
00:45:02So, I want to say to our viewers,
00:45:04if you knew him,
00:45:05someone who for example
00:45:07works with cryptocurrencies,
00:45:08someone who had dealings with him,
00:45:11because he had this...
00:45:13Nothing, this kind of obsession
00:45:15which can also be positive,
00:45:17but if it doesn't work out, then
00:45:19you get sick in some way.
00:45:21If you have known him,
00:45:23if you saw it,
00:45:24if you can help us bring it back
00:45:26to this very sweet dad.
00:45:29And then we keep looking for it anyway.
00:45:30even in calaneri,
00:45:31as it should be,
00:45:32hoping not to find it,
00:45:34But let's hope that his son really did become rich.
00:45:39Then we'll have a nice party.
00:45:40I would like to send a message to my son.
00:45:42Yes, please.
00:45:43I want to remind him that when he
00:45:48he always told me
00:45:50Dad, you are a happy man,
00:45:52I, on the other hand, can't find happiness.
00:45:54And then I ask him,
00:45:56Giacomo is back,
00:45:57that I will help you find
00:45:59the happiness you've always sought,
00:46:01because he is a handsome boy,
00:46:04intelligent, sensitive.
00:46:06And he will surely find the love of his life.
00:46:11And then I always wait for it,
00:46:14with me from the time you return
00:46:16to be able to hug him again.
00:46:18This is a nice thing, isn't it?
00:46:19What your son told you
00:46:21you are happy, I am not.
00:46:23But now we have to tell Giacomo
00:46:24that dad couldn't be happier
00:46:26without him.
00:46:27Absolutely.
00:46:28Why you can't be happy
00:46:29without a child, right?
00:46:30I don't live anymore.
00:46:31She is no longer alive, we know that.
00:46:33I know.
00:46:34So, any news,
00:46:36Truly,
00:46:36any news about Giacomo Fabris,
00:46:40In short,
00:46:40you all heard
00:46:42the words of this dad.
00:46:43If you can help us,
00:46:45help find it,
00:46:46because it can't be gone
00:46:48into nothingness.
00:46:49Absolutely.
00:46:50Thank you for being with us.
00:46:52You're welcome, Federica.
00:46:52Good evening.
00:46:53It's an evening in which
00:46:55when talking about children,
00:46:57we talked about Angela,
00:46:59we talked about Giacomo Fabris,
00:47:01of course it cannot be forgotten
00:47:02that day we were right here.
00:47:04We received an appeal,
00:47:06an autistic boy
00:47:08that disappears
00:47:09while he goes to the Pope's audience.
00:47:12and we really
00:47:13at that moment
00:47:14I thought
00:47:15when I took the roll call
00:47:16we find it again
00:47:17and we bring him home.
00:47:18I was sure of it.
00:47:19Instead I was wrong,
00:47:20I was really wrong,
00:47:21why Daniele Potenzioni
00:47:23since that day
00:47:24it was June 10th
00:47:26he never came home again.
00:47:27The father.
00:47:30Hello my dear son Daniele.
00:47:32Today I am
00:47:33midi years
00:47:34that you are no longer with us.
00:47:37And that cursed day
00:47:38that they lost you in Rome
00:47:41we have no more news from you.
00:47:43I beg you
00:47:44you know the occasion
00:47:45the ability to see
00:47:47know that here at home
00:47:49you have your brothers
00:47:50your mom
00:47:51your little granddaughter
00:47:53the sister-in-law
00:47:53that are all waiting for you.
00:47:56Daniel
00:47:57us
00:47:58we can't live without you
00:48:00We look forward to seeing you soon.
00:48:03And I also make an appeal
00:48:04to all people
00:48:06that maybe
00:48:06they see a face
00:48:08which could be Daniele
00:48:10call back immediately
00:48:11who saw it.
00:48:12Thank you all.
00:48:14Thank you.
00:48:16Here it is
00:48:17Daniele Potenzioni
00:48:19with his nose
00:48:20crushed
00:48:21it's really amazing
00:48:23that was going
00:48:23at the Pope's audience
00:48:24and he never came back
00:48:25At home
00:48:27from his parents.
00:48:29At that time
00:48:29we have a guest
00:48:30in the studio
00:48:30Nicodemus Gentile
00:48:31we thank him
00:48:31because it makes paths
00:48:33important with us.
00:48:34Among other things
00:48:34the two words
00:48:35they hit hard
00:48:36there are many women
00:48:37that they wrote to us
00:48:38and they said
00:48:39it happened to me
00:48:40exactly this
00:48:41when you spoke
00:48:42by Pamela Genini
00:48:43I
00:48:44before going
00:48:45at the trial
00:48:45which opened
00:48:46the process
00:48:47last Thursday
00:48:48there was you
00:48:49And you
00:48:49our correspondent was there
00:48:50Joseph Pizzo
00:48:52which deals with
00:48:52of this case
00:48:53with Melania Straffi
00:48:55but I wanted you
00:48:56to show
00:48:57one thing
00:48:57that struck us
00:49:00by Pamela Genini
00:49:01there is a lot of talk
00:49:02because it was stolen
00:49:04really
00:49:04a part of the body
00:49:05the head
00:49:06but we want
00:49:07make it clear too
00:49:08what happened
00:49:09at the time of the murder
00:49:10because somehow
00:49:11we can't take it anymore
00:49:12so what happens
00:49:14that the day
00:49:15where he goes to kill her
00:49:16Song Jin
00:49:17she's on the phone
00:49:18first with
00:49:19Francesco Dolci
00:49:20who is now under investigation
00:49:21for the desecration
00:49:22of the tomb
00:49:23he's on the phone
00:49:25with Pamela
00:49:26Francesco Dolci
00:49:27he hears a scream
00:49:28and the phone call
00:49:29it stops
00:49:31at that moment
00:49:32Nicodemus
00:49:33what's happening
00:49:33that Song Jin
00:49:34he entered the house
00:49:36with the keys
00:49:37that had been done
00:49:38Pamela attacks
00:49:39but at this point
00:49:40start writing
00:49:41writes messages
00:49:42to Francesco Dolci
00:49:43and writes
00:49:44this message
00:49:45that we read to you
00:49:48now at home
00:49:49I don't know what to do
00:49:50call the police
00:49:52what the fuck are you saying
00:49:53Please
00:49:54OK
00:49:54it is to be reported
00:49:56Iglesias Street
00:49:57number
00:49:57second floor
00:49:59For
00:49:59tell him please
00:50:00not to play
00:50:01but to me
00:50:04it's important
00:50:06she says
00:50:07to the police
00:50:08not to play
00:50:09to me
00:50:10because she's scared
00:50:11that Francesco Dolci
00:50:12he understands
00:50:12that she called
00:50:14the police
00:50:15what happens now
00:50:16that Francesco Dolci
00:50:17actually
00:50:18this message
00:50:19the
00:50:19turn
00:50:21at 112
00:50:22to the number
00:50:23emergency
00:50:24he calls him
00:50:24to the number
00:50:25emergency
00:50:25then it is passed
00:50:27the flying squad
00:50:27there are more
00:50:28calls
00:50:29more steps
00:50:31and we'll let you hear them
00:50:33we rebuilt them
00:50:34but we
00:50:35with the deeds
00:50:37him
00:50:38Francesco Dolci
00:50:39he says
00:50:40don't ring the intercom
00:50:41to her
00:50:42exactly like that
00:50:43as he asked
00:50:44Pamela
00:50:52emergency
00:50:52what does he need
00:50:53I called first
00:50:55for that girl
00:50:56in Milan
00:50:56he wrote to me
00:50:57in messages
00:50:58that I saw
00:50:58to call the police
00:50:59to let her into the house
00:51:00but not to make it ring
00:51:01because he's afraid
00:51:02of that
00:51:02of the reaction
00:51:03of this subject
00:51:04Milan
00:51:05Iglesias Street
00:51:06yes yes
00:51:06I'll give you the police back
00:51:08All right
00:51:09Thank you
00:51:09Please
00:51:14yes he hears me
00:51:15police ready
00:51:17operator 108
00:51:18what is the emergency
00:51:19I wrote to him
00:51:20the message
00:51:20to that girl
00:51:21there
00:51:21and not
00:51:22the phone
00:51:23he doesn't like it anymore
00:51:24the messages
00:51:25Not
00:51:27play another one
00:51:28doorbell
00:51:28and climb
00:51:29I wouldn't want it to be
00:51:30something happened
00:51:31because that
00:51:32he's crazy
00:51:32that
00:51:33All right
00:51:33don't worry
00:51:34now we are going
00:51:35from his ex-girlfriend
00:51:36if she were to have
00:51:37updates again
00:51:38contact us
00:51:39All right
00:51:39she asked me
00:51:40expressly
00:51:41to play
00:51:42to another neighbor
00:51:42and enter
00:51:43as
00:51:44All right
00:51:45we are reporting it now
00:51:45also to colleagues
00:51:46don't worry
00:51:47we are sending
00:51:48colleagues
00:51:48there with her
00:51:49be careful
00:51:50listen to me
00:51:52At that time
00:51:52Francesco Dolci
00:51:53it must be said
00:51:54which is really clear
00:51:55he says
00:51:55don't ring the intercom
00:51:56very precise
00:51:57what happens now
00:51:58Instead
00:51:59we read it
00:51:59in the relationship
00:52:00of the flying squad
00:52:03Here you are
00:52:03the most important part
00:52:04And
00:52:05the operators
00:52:05they were proceeding
00:52:06to ring the doorbell
00:52:07to take
00:52:08contacts
00:52:08directly
00:52:09with her
00:52:10on the call
00:52:11made by the members
00:52:12at the intercom
00:52:13he answered
00:52:13a female voice
00:52:14which reported verbatim
00:52:15second floor
00:52:17glovo
00:52:17so actually
00:52:18the operators
00:52:19they ring the intercom
00:52:20Unfortunately
00:52:21it was
00:52:22in my opinion
00:52:24a lightness
00:52:25because they had been
00:52:26warned
00:52:27from Sweets
00:52:27not to do it
00:52:29because for me
00:52:29he asked for it
00:52:30not to do it
00:52:30because obviously
00:52:32he had understood
00:52:33to be on alert
00:52:34also because
00:52:34he had inside
00:52:35the soncino
00:52:37who had entered
00:52:39at 9.35pm
00:52:40these phone calls
00:52:42they are subsequent
00:52:43and then there
00:52:45In my opinion
00:52:46she's looking for
00:52:47also of
00:52:50to mislead
00:52:50why he speaks
00:52:51of glovo
00:52:52she says
00:52:52she has the cold
00:52:53while he has the knife
00:52:54that is about to kill her
00:52:55to say glovo
00:52:57as if to say
00:52:57they are taking me
00:52:58a pizza
00:52:59of food
00:53:00something
00:53:00they are taking me
00:53:00of the food I had
00:53:02tidy
00:53:03but then they
00:53:03they try to get in
00:53:05then something happens
00:53:06because they hear screaming
00:53:07because soncini understands
00:53:09that at that point
00:53:10he has to hurry
00:53:12why someone
00:53:13is coming
00:53:14and so this
00:53:16we wanted to explain to you
00:53:17soncini arrives
00:53:18and now little sons
00:53:19instead it must arrive
00:53:20before the court
00:53:22why did he start
00:53:23the process
00:53:24first degree
00:53:25and there was
00:53:25for us
00:53:26the envoy
00:53:27Joseph Pizzo
00:53:27with Melania Strafi
00:53:35Court of Milan
00:53:36Assize Court
00:53:37It's Thursday, June 4th
00:53:39an important day
00:53:41for the family
00:53:42by Pamela Genini
00:53:42why it begins
00:53:44the process
00:53:44to the ex-boyfriend
00:53:45of the girl
00:53:46Gianluca Soncine
00:53:48the accusation
00:53:49it is voluntary homicide
00:53:51aggravated multiple charges
00:53:52for trivial reasons
00:53:53cruelty
00:53:54and premeditation
00:53:56Gianluca Soncine
00:53:57he killed Pamela
00:53:58inside his house
00:53:59had done
00:54:01a copy of the keys
00:54:02Like this
00:54:02he managed to get in
00:54:04and it didn't stop
00:54:05when they arrived
00:54:06the policemen
00:54:07they found it
00:54:08sitting on the ground
00:54:09the gaze into the void
00:54:10for Pamela
00:54:11there was no
00:54:12nothing to do
00:54:17outside the palace
00:54:18of justice
00:54:19they are all there
00:54:19the reporters
00:54:20who deal with
00:54:21of the case
00:54:21It's 9 in the morning
00:54:23when it arrives
00:54:24Pamela's mother
00:54:25a
00:54:25together with his partner
00:54:27Pier Giuseppe
00:54:27Today
00:54:28for the first time
00:54:29after death
00:54:30of the daughter
00:54:30one will be able to look
00:54:32in the eyes
00:54:32Pamela's killer
00:54:34so how do you feel today?
00:54:37I feel strong
00:54:38strong to face
00:54:41these situations
00:54:42I'm ready
00:54:44to fight
00:54:44for justice
00:54:45for Pamela
00:54:46your thoughts
00:55:15he was next door
00:55:16he was next door
00:55:16to the family
00:55:17of the girl
00:55:19what he said
00:55:20to the mother
00:55:21by Pamela
00:55:22when he saw her
00:55:22this morning?
00:55:23this morning
00:55:24I told him
00:55:25to have patience
00:55:26I told her
00:55:28to believe
00:55:29in justice
00:55:30they must be done
00:55:31things
00:55:32second obviously
00:55:33the rules
00:55:34but I believe
00:55:34that it is
00:55:35the story
00:55:37of Soncin
00:55:38I do not believe
00:55:38that there are
00:55:39big chances
00:55:40for Soncin
00:55:41but also
00:55:41the tragic one
00:55:43of desecration
00:55:44of the tomb
00:55:44Surely
00:55:45we will arrive
00:55:46to a solution
00:55:48it's a story
00:55:49terrible
00:55:50Pamela's
00:55:51killed
00:55:52at 29 years old
00:55:53Pamela
00:55:54he found no peace
00:55:55not even after death
00:55:56as we know
00:55:57his tomb
00:55:58it was desecrated
00:56:00a part of her
00:56:01she was taken away
00:56:03for this investigation
00:56:05there is a suspect
00:56:06It's Francesco Dolci
00:56:07the man who says
00:56:08of having been
00:56:09her boyfriend
00:56:10and which continues
00:56:11to support
00:56:12of not being
00:56:13the person in charge
00:56:13of desecration
00:56:15Sweets
00:56:16he asked
00:56:16to be a civil party
00:56:17at the trial
00:56:18against Gianluca Soncin
00:56:22you enter the classroom
00:56:24the mother
00:56:24takes place
00:56:25next to his partner
00:56:26there is the public
00:56:28the lawyers
00:56:29there's not much left
00:56:30upon arrival
00:56:31of the accused
00:56:31Gianluca Soncin
00:56:37shortly after
00:56:38he arrives
00:56:39there he is
00:56:41eyeglasses
00:56:42brown jacket
00:56:43and black t-shirt
00:56:44the man
00:56:45enter the classroom
00:56:46the cameras
00:56:47they stay out
00:56:53when it closes
00:56:54the door
00:56:54Pamela's mother
00:56:56he has a nervous breakdown
00:56:57the woman
00:56:58utters words of anger
00:57:00towards
00:57:00of Soncin
00:57:01then it is accompanied
00:57:03out
00:57:03from his lawyers
00:57:06after a few hours
00:57:07the first hearing
00:57:08it ends
00:57:09Soncin
00:57:10is reported
00:57:11in prison
00:57:12of San Vittore
00:57:12from the agents
00:57:13of the penitentiary police
00:57:14let's try
00:57:15to ask a question
00:57:17Soncin
00:57:18Soncin
00:57:19he knew
00:57:20of desecration
00:57:21Soncin
00:57:21And
00:57:22it happened
00:57:26Soncin
00:57:27say something
00:57:29for decency's sake
00:57:30I'm sorry
00:57:31the family
00:57:32Soncin
00:57:33first hearing
00:57:35lawyer
00:57:35what happened?
00:57:36there was the raid
00:57:37of Mr.
00:57:39Francesco Dolci
00:57:40that I
00:57:41sincerely
00:57:42I didn't expect it
00:57:43since there weren't any
00:57:44none of those criteria
00:57:45not even indirect ones
00:57:46not even minimal
00:57:47to be able to justify
00:57:48his participation
00:57:50really
00:57:51with the aspiration
00:57:51to become
00:57:52offended person
00:57:54and then
00:57:54civil party
00:57:56so much so that
00:57:57the court
00:57:58without
00:57:58great difficulties
00:58:00he raised
00:58:01a wall
00:58:01very strong
00:58:02towards
00:58:03of this
00:58:04subject
00:58:05they have been
00:58:06the requests
00:58:07instructors
00:58:07and witnesses
00:58:08now the defense
00:58:09start doing
00:58:10his path
00:58:12he also asked
00:58:13to feel
00:58:14a medical-legal report
00:58:15to rebuild
00:58:16the dynamics
00:58:17activity
00:58:18Surely
00:58:19it is obviously
00:58:19legitimate by code
00:58:21but we will defend
00:58:22Pamela
00:58:22even in dynamics
00:58:24Why
00:58:24I think it is
00:58:25Enough
00:58:26obvious
00:58:27what happened
00:58:28there are cameras
00:58:29There are
00:58:29a
00:58:31multitude
00:58:32of knives
00:58:33seized
00:58:33that was part
00:58:34of that
00:58:36collection
00:58:37and above all
00:58:38there was
00:58:40cruelty
00:58:41There are
00:58:41all events
00:58:42successes over time
00:58:44and unfortunately
00:58:45those events
00:58:46we didn't succeed
00:58:47to decode them
00:58:49to put them together
00:58:50Why
00:58:50I'm convinced
00:58:51that Pamela
00:58:52Truly
00:58:52it could have been saved
00:58:56Gianluca Suncin
00:58:57before killing her
00:58:58had attacked
00:58:59Pamela
00:59:00several times
00:59:00and on more than one occasion
00:59:02the girl
00:59:03call the forces
00:59:04of the order
00:59:04but there's more
00:59:05Pamela
00:59:06he says that
00:59:07Suncin
00:59:08collect
00:59:09knives
00:59:09and he has a gun
00:59:10by fire
00:59:11look
00:59:12it's black on white
00:59:13and Pamela
00:59:14he repeats it
00:59:15several times
00:59:16but nobody
00:59:17go and check
00:59:18at Suncin's house
00:59:19if actually
00:59:20owns a collection
00:59:22of knives
00:59:22and a firearm
00:59:24look
00:59:25this document
00:59:26the carabinieri
00:59:27from Seriate
00:59:28send this note
00:59:29to colleagues in Cervia
00:59:31where Suncin resides
00:59:32and where was it
00:59:33Pamela attacked
00:59:34it is transmitted
00:59:35the annotation
00:59:36of judicial police
00:59:37following intervention
00:59:38for possible red code
00:59:40I want the command of Cervia
00:59:42evaluate the possibility
00:59:43to proceed
00:59:44upon withdrawal of weapons
00:59:45towards
00:59:45by Suncin Gianluca
00:59:46the Carabinieri of Cervia
00:59:48after receiving
00:59:49this note
00:59:50they answer
00:59:50which subsequently
00:59:51of the checks
00:59:52carried out
00:59:52in the database
00:59:53Suncin
00:59:54it does not appear
00:59:55have a gun license
00:59:56because he has a criminal record
00:59:58and yet Pamela
00:59:59he certainly hadn't said
01:00:01that Suncin
01:00:01he had weapons
01:00:02legally owned
01:00:03or report
01:00:04the fact is
01:00:05that no one
01:00:07go and check
01:00:07at Suncin's house
01:00:08but why?
01:00:10Perhaps
01:00:10because the policeman
01:00:12who draws up
01:00:12the annotation
01:00:13writes that Pamela
01:00:14he acted out of spirit
01:00:16of revenge
01:00:16towards
01:00:17by Suncin
01:00:18waiting for the personality
01:00:19of both
01:00:20it cannot be ruled out
01:00:21that the woman
01:00:21reported
01:00:22the facts
01:00:22for spirit
01:00:23of revenge
01:00:24so
01:00:25Pamela
01:00:25she is not believed
01:00:27the carabiniere
01:00:28put it down in black and white
01:00:29a judgment
01:00:30about Pamela
01:00:31limited
01:00:32reliability
01:00:34he writes
01:00:34a year later
01:00:36Pamela is killed
01:00:37with a knife
01:00:38Perhaps
01:00:39Suncin
01:00:39he used it himself
01:00:41one of the knives
01:00:42of the collection
01:00:43that Pamela
01:00:44had reported
01:00:49Perhaps
01:00:50someone
01:00:50should have
01:00:51pay more attention
01:00:53to the words
01:00:53of a girl
01:00:54scared
01:00:55weakened
01:00:56for months
01:00:57of torment
01:00:58and threatened
01:00:59if you report me
01:01:00I kill you
01:01:01and your family members
01:01:02Suncin told her
01:01:05and now
01:01:06he remains alone
01:01:07the silence
01:01:08why Pamela
01:01:09there is no more
01:01:15so what we asked ourselves
01:01:16Pamela
01:01:17it had to be protected
01:01:18could have been saved
01:01:19no Nicodemo Gentile
01:01:20and many viewers
01:01:22they wrote to us
01:01:22but that questionnaire
01:01:24that she filled out
01:01:25in which precisely
01:01:27we're talking about risk
01:01:28and if there are 4 yes
01:01:29on 5 questions
01:01:30it should go off
01:01:32the protection
01:01:32what happened to him
01:01:34and we searched
01:01:35with Nicodemo Gentile
01:01:36with the lawyer
01:01:37to try to understand
01:01:38What
01:01:39it happened
01:01:40At that time
01:01:41let's hear it again for a moment
01:01:43when she is in the hospital
01:01:45that went there
01:01:46because she was mistreated
01:01:47because he has a broken finger
01:01:48they make her do it
01:01:49this questionnaire
01:01:50which is a questionnaire
01:01:50very important
01:01:51he decided it
01:01:52the government
01:01:53In short
01:01:55it's practically
01:01:56a report
01:01:57that they do it
01:01:57to the emergency room
01:01:59where are there
01:02:004 out of 5
01:02:01there are 5 questions
01:02:03just answer
01:02:04with 3 yeses
01:02:05and it should go off
01:02:06the protection
01:02:07let's see how she responds
01:02:09again
01:02:12physical violence
01:02:14has increased
01:02:14of frequency and severity
01:02:15in the last 6 months
01:02:16Yes
01:02:17has ever used a weapon
01:02:20or has he ever threatened her
01:02:21with a weapon
01:02:21Yes
01:02:23he believes that he
01:02:24be capable
01:02:25to kill her
01:02:25Yes
01:02:26has she ever been beaten
01:02:28when she was pregnant
01:02:30No
01:02:31he is strongly
01:02:33and constantly
01:02:34jealous of her
01:02:34Yes
01:02:37Pamela answers
01:02:38with 4 yeses
01:02:40At that time
01:02:43it was naturally
01:02:44the voice
01:02:45of our correspondent
01:02:45what's happening
01:02:46who responds
01:02:47with 4 yeses
01:02:47as he was saying
01:02:48Joseph Pizzo
01:02:49and with
01:02:50with a no
01:02:51Why
01:02:51she had never been pregnant
01:02:54At that time
01:02:55if you leave it to me for a moment
01:02:56it's written here
01:02:56the positive response
01:02:58to 3 of the 5 questions
01:02:59sign of high risk
01:03:00of reiteration
01:03:01of violence
01:03:02and requires
01:03:02the activation
01:03:03of protection
01:03:05At that time
01:03:05what's happening
01:03:06After
01:03:08this questionnaire
01:03:09we are always in the minutes
01:03:10first aid
01:03:11the operator writes
01:03:16according to protocol
01:03:18compiled precisely
01:03:20this questionnaire
01:03:21the risk assessment brief
01:03:23with evidence
01:03:24of 4-5 items
01:03:26In short
01:03:264 yes out of 5
01:03:29alert the forces
01:03:30of the order
01:03:30as per protocol
01:03:32after consent
01:03:33of patience
01:03:35Nicodemus Gentile
01:03:36this is equivalent to a complaint
01:03:37since there was
01:03:38Surely
01:03:39Pamela
01:03:40it had been
01:03:41informed surrender
01:03:42of this necessity
01:03:45in reason
01:03:46of his answers
01:03:47and had given
01:03:49the consent
01:03:50so that
01:03:51he spoke to each other
01:03:53with the forces
01:03:54of the order
01:03:54Therefore
01:03:55evidently
01:03:56had broken
01:03:57Pamela
01:03:58that barrier
01:03:59that in the previous ones
01:04:01situations
01:04:02had done
01:04:02because I was always told
01:04:03but she didn't present
01:04:04complaints
01:04:05but this is as if
01:04:06it was a complaint
01:04:07it's like she wants herself
01:04:08open to dialogue
01:04:11and at the interview
01:04:12with the forces
01:04:12of the order
01:04:13why these answers
01:04:15they imposed
01:04:16a protection
01:04:17but it was enough to call
01:04:19the family
01:04:20just had to call
01:04:20a friend
01:04:21it was enough anyway
01:04:22keep it there
01:04:23make her talk
01:04:24with a psychologist
01:04:25make her talk
01:04:25with a psychiatrist
01:04:26it's being said now
01:04:28but also to search
01:04:29to understand
01:04:30that is needed
01:04:31of new awareness
01:04:33there is a need
01:04:33of new approaches
01:04:34of new methods
01:04:35then Nicodemo Gentile
01:04:36here then
01:04:37we are always
01:04:38in the minutes
01:04:38of the emergency room
01:04:39as you can see
01:04:40they are very precise
01:04:42in this hospital
01:04:43they write
01:04:44at 3.37pm
01:04:45interview with the forces
01:04:46of the order
01:04:46there is no indication
01:04:48upon activation
01:04:48of the Russian code
01:04:49so they talked
01:04:50with the police
01:04:52there had been
01:04:52this protocol
01:04:53which initially
01:04:55it had been activated
01:04:56why Pamela
01:04:56gives consent
01:04:57there is a dialogue
01:04:58with the police
01:04:59and unfortunately
01:05:00something
01:05:01something
01:05:02it got stuck
01:05:03because they were enough
01:05:043 yes out of 5
01:05:05if 3 yes 5
01:05:07here is the activation
01:05:08of the red code
01:05:09he didn't leave
01:05:10Pamela said
01:05:11that there were weapons
01:05:11at home
01:05:12the weapons do not come
01:05:14seized
01:05:14he also said
01:05:15not to play
01:05:18at the intercom
01:05:19and Dolce reports it
01:05:19correctly
01:05:20but unfortunately
01:05:21this is from a year ago
01:05:23yes yes
01:05:24It's September 2024
01:05:26she gets killed
01:05:28In short
01:05:28almost a death
01:05:29announced
01:05:30At that time
01:05:32we continue with Nicodemo Gentile
01:05:34why what happened
01:05:35that there is another postponement
01:05:36with regard to
01:05:37Liliana Resinovic
01:05:38you know
01:05:39Sergio here he is
01:05:40when you hear people talking
01:05:42of referral
01:05:42you say but it's not possible
01:05:44another postponement
01:05:45right Sergio
01:05:46good evening Nicodemus
01:05:47good evening Sergio
01:05:48we have another postponement
01:05:50Yes
01:05:51Unfortunately
01:05:52I now
01:05:54I'm losing
01:05:56the hopes
01:05:57Why
01:05:57here
01:05:58they do nothing else
01:05:59than to postpone
01:05:59to postpone
01:06:00as long as
01:06:01they say in October
01:06:03that there are none
01:06:04other problems
01:06:05other issues
01:06:06which can
01:06:07to go forward again
01:06:08Now
01:06:09he asks me
01:06:10now here
01:06:12Me too
01:06:13I have my years
01:06:14Unfortunately
01:06:16this tragedy
01:06:16he has me
01:06:17consumed
01:06:18let's say
01:06:19physically
01:06:20even mentally
01:06:21Now
01:06:23there was also an article
01:06:24Always
01:06:25always in the newspaper
01:06:25local
01:06:26that is gone
01:06:27retired
01:06:28even with the boss
01:06:30of the mobile squad
01:06:31person
01:06:32to which
01:06:33I asked
01:06:33several times
01:06:34to talk to him
01:06:35it's always been my thing
01:06:35been denied
01:06:36the interview
01:06:37to him
01:06:38to the inspector
01:06:39of the mobile squad
01:06:40retired
01:06:41him too
01:06:41the chief prosecutor
01:06:43retired
01:06:44him too
01:06:45the only one
01:06:46who had answered me
01:06:47that is, you say
01:06:47the years pass
01:06:48the people
01:06:49who knew about the case
01:06:50they retire
01:06:51I'm scared
01:06:51Serpini is also dead
01:06:53I'm scared
01:06:53the lady also died
01:06:55Laura Grassi
01:06:55the lady died
01:06:57Laura Grassi
01:06:58is dead
01:06:59Claudio Serpini
01:06:59I'm scared
01:07:00that they are waiting for
01:07:01natural selection
01:07:03postponing
01:07:04postponing
01:07:05so they will say
01:07:06I'm here too
01:07:07finally
01:07:07he finished breaking
01:07:08the boxes
01:07:09what's annoying
01:07:11natural selection
01:07:12it lasted
01:07:13but in the end
01:07:14Federico at the end
01:07:15me and other people
01:07:17here in Italy
01:07:18we worked
01:07:20and we paid
01:07:22the taxes
01:07:22they pay taxes
01:07:24still
01:07:24to pay
01:07:25the salaries
01:07:26of these here
01:07:26that operate
01:07:27in institutions
01:07:29in the constituted authorities
01:07:31of the institutions
01:07:32in the judiciary
01:07:34in the courts
01:07:35and they have to
01:07:36pay
01:07:37they must
01:07:38they also take an oath
01:07:40before starting
01:07:40to work
01:07:41listen Sergio
01:07:41but we want
01:07:42who want to respect
01:07:43justice
01:07:45the truth
01:07:46we want to make it clear
01:07:47good though
01:07:48to the viewer
01:07:49what happened
01:07:50another postponement
01:07:51then they say
01:07:53we want to be meticulous
01:07:54do things right
01:07:55we don't want to go
01:07:56in a hurry
01:07:57In short
01:07:58it is also
01:07:58a pension line
01:08:00they also tell us
01:08:00something important
01:08:01sorry Federica
01:08:02on the fly
01:08:03they say that
01:08:04this is an extension
01:08:05which will bring
01:08:06in October
01:08:07on October 8th
01:08:07barring unforeseen circumstances
01:08:09Therefore
01:08:09they are already preparing
01:08:11the experts
01:08:12I'm just that much
01:08:13from 2021
01:08:15Pierina Paganelli
01:08:16Mrs. Paganelli
01:08:17you talked
01:08:18Now
01:08:19she died
01:08:202023
01:08:21in October
01:08:22there is already a sentence
01:08:23different speeds
01:08:25it seems that the prosecution
01:08:26from Trieste
01:08:28it has a special statute
01:08:29but I wanted you
01:08:30ask for something
01:08:31At that time
01:08:31but on what
01:08:33they must be done
01:08:34these new ones
01:08:35let's say
01:08:35this new study
01:08:37for example
01:08:37we are talking about
01:08:39investigations
01:08:41fingerprint
01:08:42on the black bags
01:08:43that maybe they are full
01:08:44of mold
01:08:44at this point
01:08:44Why
01:08:45after 5 years
01:08:47what are you going to find?
01:08:48on the bags
01:08:49after 5 years
01:08:50Federica
01:08:50what are you going to find?
01:08:51they touched them
01:08:53300 people
01:08:54but we have to be serious
01:08:55we have to stay
01:08:56with your feet on the ground
01:08:57after 5 years
01:08:58what are you going to find?
01:08:59on the bags
01:09:00that Lili was wrapped up in
01:09:01what are you going to find?
01:09:02after 5 years
01:09:03after 5 years
01:09:04barring unforeseen circumstances
01:09:05in October
01:09:06but what are we discussing?
01:09:07Still
01:09:07you know something Federica
01:09:09we have not acquired
01:09:10to the file
01:09:11of the process
01:09:12the content
01:09:14of the cell phone
01:09:14by Sebastiano Vicentin
01:09:16who is the only suspect
01:09:17after
01:09:19there is a disappearance
01:09:20December 14th
01:09:21of 2021
01:09:22we don't have
01:09:23to the file
01:09:24the cell phone
01:09:25by Sebastiano Vicentin
01:09:26I say it
01:09:27but what he had given
01:09:29what he had given
01:09:30and they noticed
01:09:32that the real cell phone
01:09:34by Sebastiano Vicentin
01:09:35it was that one there
01:09:36only
01:09:37in September 2025
01:09:39because I
01:09:40and the colleague
01:09:42Federica Obizzi
01:09:43we said
01:09:44look, the cell phone
01:09:45that's what he gave away
01:09:46to the person
01:09:47because otherwise
01:09:48it hadn't even been
01:09:49seized
01:09:51this is not acceptable
01:09:53also in the interest
01:09:55of the suspect
01:09:56because he will turn 77
01:09:58and the times
01:10:00they must be reasonable
01:10:01I'm not the one saying it
01:10:02that I am not
01:10:02absolutely no one
01:10:04he says it
01:10:05the principles
01:10:06of our legal system
01:10:07reasonable times
01:10:08reasonable times
01:10:09how they were
01:10:10the times of
01:10:10Pierina Paganelli
01:10:11among other things
01:10:12Excuse me
01:10:14At that time
01:10:15he is concentrating
01:10:16this study too
01:10:17on the filaments
01:10:18that have been found
01:10:19on Liliana's jacket
01:10:20the yellow ones
01:10:22and red
01:10:22that is, you want to see
01:10:23if by chance
01:10:24they are compatible
01:10:26with the sweater
01:10:26which he carried
01:10:27with the clothes
01:10:28which he carried
01:10:30Sebastiano Vicentino
01:10:31they say
01:10:31we have acquired
01:10:32the videos
01:10:33of the GoPro
01:10:33just a month ago
01:10:34but those videos
01:10:36they circulate on social media
01:10:37for years
01:10:39they have it
01:10:40everywhere
01:10:41these filaments
01:10:43you can see
01:10:44with this sweater
01:10:44or the sweater
01:10:45even it's no longer there
01:10:46how they passed
01:10:47many years
01:10:49if they are the same
01:10:50Certain
01:10:51but I don't understand
01:10:52why this investigation
01:10:54in these quicksands
01:10:55for a long time
01:10:56we had to
01:10:57wait
01:10:57to say that it was
01:10:58a murder
01:11:00one thing
01:11:00obvious
01:11:01evident
01:11:01with that scene
01:11:02crimes
01:11:032025
01:11:03with the teacher
01:11:05Cattaneo
01:11:05a consultant says so
01:11:06of the prosecution
01:11:07which is a murder
01:11:08then archive
01:11:09or
01:11:10there is a request
01:11:11of referral to trial
01:11:11I also say it
01:11:12in the interest
01:11:13by Sebastiano
01:11:14Vicentini
01:11:15who is a suspect
01:11:16and has the right
01:11:17to solve
01:11:18his position
01:11:19like Sergio
01:11:20has the right
01:11:20to see
01:11:21the end of this story
01:11:23it can't be
01:11:24investigated forever
01:11:25investigated forever
01:11:26and then
01:11:27natural selection
01:11:28as
01:11:29as pungent
01:11:31Sergio
01:11:31he is losing
01:11:32the family
01:11:33Federica
01:11:33you are loaded
01:11:37of pain
01:11:38for the loss
01:11:39of your sister
01:11:39and full of anger
01:11:40why not
01:11:41you don't go out
01:11:42from this situation
01:11:43that actually
01:11:43it's at a standstill
01:11:44we move on
01:11:45we move on
01:11:46with referrals
01:11:47and not
01:11:47and it doesn't
01:11:48you don't arrive
01:11:49at the square
01:11:49but
01:11:51take courage
01:11:52because anyway
01:11:54it's not a question
01:11:56to give me strength
01:11:57the question
01:11:58it's simple
01:11:59Why
01:12:00they never told me
01:12:02because they don't have
01:12:03highlighted
01:12:04certain circumstances
01:12:06and one
01:12:07it was just
01:12:07the phones
01:12:08the GoPro
01:12:09and all that stuff
01:12:10that also
01:12:12it is not necessary
01:12:12to be
01:12:15graduates
01:12:15I don't know
01:12:16have
01:12:18a degree
01:12:19in computer science
01:12:20in engineering
01:12:21informatics
01:12:22even a person
01:12:23what he did
01:12:24middle schools
01:12:25the high schools
01:12:26just read
01:12:27the instructions
01:12:28and he knows how it works
01:12:29a GoPro
01:12:31now with the web
01:12:34you learn everything
01:12:34and there they are
01:12:35own
01:12:37evident
01:12:37because one
01:12:38plus one
01:12:39it's both in Trieste
01:12:41that in Rome
01:12:42that in K City
01:12:43in Melbourne
01:12:44in Beijing
01:12:45and so
01:12:46no but then there are
01:12:46the experts
01:12:47which are called
01:12:48Federica
01:12:48we have great respect
01:12:50for the investigators
01:12:51for the prosecution
01:12:52but we collaborated
01:12:53in a broad way
01:12:54with provision
01:12:56all our energies
01:12:58contributed
01:12:59let's say
01:13:00it's been five years
01:13:00but now
01:13:01there is also a right
01:13:02to one
01:13:03I agree
01:13:03I thank you
01:13:04more than wide
01:13:05we have
01:13:06more than wide
01:13:07Unfortunately
01:13:08they never wanted to listen
01:13:10I don't understand why
01:13:11I realized
01:13:13that I am
01:13:13just a nobody
01:13:15but at a certain point
01:13:17this is a danger
01:13:18also for our society
01:13:20for all people
01:13:21who live
01:13:22it will be necessary
01:13:23because there are those who
01:13:24must protect us
01:13:25it's clear Sergio
01:13:26I'm interrupting you
01:13:28why not
01:13:28the point is very clear
01:13:30and it behaves like this
01:13:31I do not know
01:13:32it's very clear
01:13:33it's very clear
01:13:33this speech
01:13:34they can't pass
01:13:35all these months
01:13:37with all these postponements
01:13:38for family members
01:13:38but also as he says
01:13:39Nicodemus Gentile
01:13:40for a suspect
01:13:41that cannot remain
01:13:42under investigation
01:13:43for life
01:13:44a few seconds of pause
01:13:46thanks Sergio
01:13:47we will return there anyway
01:13:49thanks to Sergio
01:13:50thanks Federica
01:13:51Good evening
01:13:51a few seconds of
01:13:52a few seconds of pause
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