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Chi l'ha Vintage

Il caso di Paula Andrea Bran Yépez, di origini sudamericane, scomparsa anni fa da Farneta (Lucca). Si era detto che fosse tornata nel suo Paese. Ma è davvero così? Paula ha davvero abbandonato il suo bambino di 7 anni e se n'è andata? La Procura non ci crede, ha ripreso le indagini e ha indagato il marito per omicidio e occultamento di cadavere. Testimonianze inedite in questa puntata di "Chi l'ha visto?". E poi, giovedì 4 giugno inizia il processo all'imprenditore Gianluca Soncin. Pamela Genini poteva essere salvata? In ospedale per uno dei vari episodi di violenza, la donna risponde al questionario "Brief Risk Assessment", quello che evidenzia i possibili rischi per una donna maltrattata, dichiarando di aver paura di essere uccisa - cosa che effettivamente avviene un anno dopo. Come mai non erano stati presi provvedimenti nei confronti di Soncin? Intanto rimane indagato Francesco Dolci per la profanazione della tomba di Pamela. Infine, il caso di Claudia De Chirico, la ventiduenne trovata senza vita in un sottopassaggio a Terlizzi (Bari): ci sono state quattro richieste di archiviazione, ma il Gip le ha respinte e ha ordinato ulteriori accertamenti. Non solo: il fidanzato della ragazza, unico indagato per la sua morte, è accusato ora di maltrattamenti anche verso la nuova compagna. Come sempre spazio agli appelli, alle richieste di aiuto, alle segnalazioni dei telespettatori di persone in difficoltà.  #Chilhavisto #Chilhavintage

Transcript

00:00:00Thank you all.

00:00:49Thank you all.

00:01:02Thank you all.

00:01:39Thank you all.

00:01:39You're welcome, right? It just comes out.

00:01:43Yes.

00:01:44Listen, Jennifer, what did you find at home? Did he leave his things behind or did he take his cell phone with him?

00:01:52something with him?

00:01:55No, he left everything at home, he left his house keys, his van keys, his money,

00:02:02documents, cell phones, everything.

00:02:06So it's like he had to go out for a short time and then come back home straight away because he left everything behind.

00:02:15house and it is an inexplicable disappearance.

00:02:17Then, Jennifer, you went around the house to see if there was a note, something written, right?

00:02:23Yes, I really searched everywhere but nothing, even in the pockets of his clothes, nothing at all.

00:02:31By the way, you spoke with Valentina Giona who tells me that he is a very good dad, that is, he does everything

00:02:40everything to make you feel good and you live together with him, together with your mother.

00:02:47Listen, so, he goes out on foot at half past four on Saturday and the buses and coaches start their

00:02:55They only ran at seven thirty, so we don't know if he took a bus, a coach, went to

00:03:01somewhere.

00:03:03No, actually.

00:03:09Listen, Jennifer, I know it's hard to be on air and talk about your dad in this situation, but let's try

00:03:16to give our viewers

00:03:17all the news that can help them and help you. So, he should have left in his pajamas and slippers,

00:03:25I mean, not dressed, right?

00:03:28Yes, if he had a change of clothes obviously I don't know, but his pajamas were like blue, too.

00:03:36trousers, dark blue and the slippers were those nurse slippers, something like white.

00:03:46He came out with glasses, I'm sure of this because there are no glasses anywhere in the house,

00:03:52but things missing, other effects of his missing, nothing, I checked everywhere.

00:03:59Well, the strange thing by the way, apart from the fact that he left his phone, so in some way it is

00:04:04unreachable for you, is that he left the house keys attached to the door, on the outside, right?

00:04:11As if he had to come back, he leaves them there, goes for a moment, I don't know, to throw out the garbage and then comes back

00:04:19and instead he didn't come back.

00:04:21But in fact I thought he had gone around the block, that's the first thing I checked, that I am

00:04:26went to the surrounding streets and to our street.

00:04:29Maybe he was looking for the cat, you know? But the cat showed up after a while, so no.

00:04:39Because half past four is a pretty strange time, isn't it? I mean, it's a special time for your dad,

00:04:46Do you think he wanted to take a break to think things over? Is his health okay?

00:04:54But he is in good health, physically, but then it was a period when he was a bit down,

00:05:00but it's not a strange thing because there have been others too.

00:05:04And maybe he wants to take some time off for himself, but I'd like him to come back too, you know.

00:05:16Oh sure, then, among other things this area where you live is rather isolated, isn't it?

00:05:22And so he may have walked and then headed somewhere.

00:05:28But I wanted to tell our viewers, if you saw someone on Saturday even at dawn, precisely with these slippers, the white ones

00:05:36that nurses use and in pajamas it could be, in fact it is definitely Massimiliano.

00:05:42So we try to bring him home, because then several days have passed, so you wonder where he sleeps, where he eats,

00:05:50what's going on.

00:05:54Listen, Jennifer, if you can, do you want to make a plea to our viewers or to your dad?

00:06:05I understand that at a certain point someone is tired and wants to take a break.

00:06:13And I get it, I get it.

00:06:15I don't hold it against him for this thing.

00:06:18But I wish he would come back, because he left both me and my mother alone.

00:06:23But my mother is very ill now.

00:06:26I'm managing to cope somehow, but he still helped me a lot.

00:06:31I mean, Dad, you really helped me a lot.

00:06:33You were the backbone of our family.

00:06:37Where did you go?

00:06:38Where?

00:06:45However, if you see anything, anything, any clue, do not hesitate to contact the police, me, the editorial staff

00:06:57of someone who saw it, in short, someone.

00:06:59Call us.

00:07:00Listen, Jennifer, last thing, there's a pine forest nearby, right?

00:07:04Yes.

00:07:04The classy pine forest, right?

00:07:07Yes, the classy pine forest.

00:07:09The classy pine forest.

00:07:10So even if someone lives around there, he saw him by chance, he went for a walk

00:07:15there, right?

00:07:16In short, somehow this wonderful dad, as they describe him to us, has gotten lost.

00:07:22And so it's a point, it's really a great point of reference for the family.

00:07:28And we know this from Jennifer's words.

00:07:32So, the cat stayed at home, he's in slippers, in pajamas, he doesn't have a cell phone, he doesn't have

00:07:39the house keys, considering that he doesn't even have the documents.

00:07:43We say this because sometimes it can happen that you end up in hospital without being aware of yourself, without documents,

00:07:49it's difficult.

00:07:51So watch out for hospitals too.

00:07:53Jennifer, is there anything you want to add, or are we waiting for reports?

00:08:00I would really like to find him again.

00:08:03I mean, I'm sure it's out there somewhere and I just want to find it.

00:08:10So, we hope to bring this girl's dad home, so we're relying on you, the viewers.

00:08:16Several days have passed since Saturday.

00:08:19Jennifer, as soon as a report comes in, we will of course call you immediately.

00:08:24A thousand thanks.

00:08:24Okay, cheer up.

00:08:27So, for another disappearance we are in Formentale, we are in the province of Lucca for a missing persons case.

00:08:35Our Ivan Bacchi calls a lady who tells us, at the house of the missing woman, I saw a painting, a

00:08:41painting that made an impression on me.

00:08:44When I went home, I saw a painting hanging on the wall that impressed me because it was a figure of

00:08:54a woman hugging a pole covered in blood, this picture is a bit horrifying, let's say.

00:09:03And he says, but did my husband do this?

00:09:09So a woman covered in blood, the painting was made by the missing woman's husband.

00:09:14What are we talking about?

00:09:15He was a novice, he lived in seclusion in the Certosa di Farneta, then he left his vows and got married.

00:09:22with Paola.

00:09:23But one day his wife disappears.

00:09:25Why is this lady that our Ivan Bacchi spoke to on the phone important?

00:09:29Because the missing woman cleans her house, but one day she no longer makes herself known as missing.

00:09:36Ivan Bacchi's reportage with Imma Giuliani.

00:09:45But madam, did you know her?

00:09:47She came to clean my house a little two or three times.

00:09:54We had to regularize it and she never came again.

00:09:56I said, but why? He needed money, what did he have to put aside for it?

00:10:01But she didn't come back because then she disappeared?

00:10:04She disappeared. I then saw that she wasn't coming.

00:10:09And I asked the neighbors.

00:10:12And they said, but they're looking for her.

00:10:16And they're a bit upset because they can't find it.

00:10:21Paola and Samuel.

00:10:23An odd couple, very reserved.

00:10:26He, a former friar of the Certosa di Farneta.

00:10:29She, very fragile.

00:10:30Wear a back brace.

00:10:32She is tiny, but very pretty.

00:10:34Everyone describes her like this, with thick black hair and a sweet, intense face.

00:10:40They lived in Formentale in a farmhouse owned by the friars from 2002 to 2012.

00:10:44You all remember her in love, right?

00:10:46You told me you were in love.

00:10:47Yes, yes, I remember, but I also remember him being very affectionate with her.

00:10:51When she was pregnant he was also very affectionate.

00:10:54But he always has this thing of having everything under control.

00:10:59But he was very social even when we were together.

00:11:01He didn't move from the couch.

00:11:03He just sat there with his book and just sat there...

00:11:07Very controlled.

00:11:08Yes, yes, yes, very controlled.

00:11:09In all the things he did.

00:11:10Well done, that's the right word.

00:11:12Very controlled.

00:11:14Here is Samuel, hugging his family with Paola and their son.

00:11:18They look happy.

00:11:20It's a photo from 2011, but the following year Paola disappears.

00:11:25And as in all disturbing cases of missing persons, some say she left voluntarily.

00:11:30He says he accompanied her to the train, with the suitcase, he took her and left because

00:11:36he has to go to work I don't know where.

00:11:38Okay, tell me this.

00:11:39So he says he walked her to the train because she had to leave.

00:11:43The last trace of the cell phone was at his home.

00:11:45Of her, not somewhere else.

00:11:47Not at the station, as he says, who accompanied her and therefore gave in to being on the cell phone.

00:11:52She never went out without her cell phone.

00:11:55So, according to her cousin, Paola, she never left the house where they lived.

00:12:00It is also false that she returned to her country, Colombia, as was initially thought.

00:12:04She never took a plane home and her mother, not hearing from her, started looking for her immediately.

00:12:10The mother calls on November 28th saying that my daughter is missing.

00:12:14Okay.

00:12:15And then, at a certain point, he notifies the consulate there, the consulate notifies here.

00:12:20It was all moved by the mother of the...

00:12:22It was all his mother's doing and he actually filed the complaint only three months later.

00:12:27Okay.

00:12:27Why did he do it only three months later?

00:12:30I can't tell you that.

00:12:31Because her mother had already told him that her daughter hadn't arrived there.

00:12:35But he wasn't going to Colombia.

00:12:37He is now under investigation for murder and concealment of a corpse.

00:12:41He doesn't want to talk to us and continues to work for the monastery.

00:12:45He cooks for the friars and takes care of everything.

00:12:47He manages everything, because he manages all the budgets.

00:12:51He has the hands and the keys in his hand.

00:12:53He makes the meals, he thinks of everything.

00:12:56Everything, if it has animals, crops, everything.

00:13:00He does everything.

00:13:02And so to Ivono among only men.

00:13:04Women are not allowed in there.

00:13:07In the house where he lived with his missing wife,

00:13:10a farmhouse on the Formentale road which leads to the town of the same name,

00:13:14now another woman lives there who he supposedly met when Paola was still there.

00:13:17There was something wrong, because she tells me,

00:13:20If he knew certain things on the boat out there, he'd tell me one last time.

00:13:26But you haven't looked into it in depth.

00:13:27But she didn't want to go into more detail.

00:13:29She didn't want to, because they didn't talk.

00:13:31They were very, very private.

00:13:33Their things were very, very private.

00:13:36It seems to me that this new companion of Samuel

00:13:41arrived more or less when Paola still existed in Samuel's life.

00:13:45From what I understand, yes.

00:13:47Did you understand this too?

00:13:49Yes, yes, yes.

00:13:50He was seeing people, there's chatting, all this stuff on Facebook, everything's there.

00:13:55That he was chatting with this woman.

00:13:56With this person here, yes, yes.

00:13:58And then immediately, almost immediately, he put her inside the house with these children that she has.

00:14:04Investigators decided to check that house.

00:14:07Is it possible that Paola's body was hidden?

00:14:10Many years have passed, 14.

00:14:13Why are we still looking for it now?

00:14:15Because Paola's case remained there, as if suspended.

00:14:18For two days the bulldozers dug up all the land surrounding the farmhouse

00:14:23and they also went into a cave, the fairy hole.

00:14:25The operational units of the firefighters have descended.

00:14:29In town they say that when you want to hide something, you do it in that place.

00:14:33But nothing was found.

00:14:38Here today many things have changed.

00:14:40But those who know the case, and were there 14 years ago, don't want to talk.

00:14:44Let's go to the prior of the Certosa, where the man under investigation works.

00:14:48Yes, hello. I was looking for the prior.

00:14:50She?

00:14:51Yes, hello. My name is Ivan Bacchilega.

00:14:54I wanted to have some information regarding the lady who disappeared 14 years ago,

00:14:59and respect to the chef who works for you.

00:15:02What's your title?

00:15:02I'm a journalist of those who saw it.

00:15:04Yes, sorry, I can't release.

00:15:06Send me back to the police who are investigating, they will pay for everything.

00:15:10He doesn't even want to talk?

00:15:12We wanted to understand for a moment who this gentleman was and his story, if you could tell us.

00:15:16To those who take care of things, they will know.

00:15:19Even though there is an ongoing investigation, I can't say anything.

00:15:23It's not incorrect.

00:15:24All right.

00:15:25Good work.

00:15:25Thank you.

00:15:27In that ancient Certosa di Farneta, a monastery closed to the public,

00:15:32About twenty Carthusian friars live there in the religious silence of cloister.

00:15:37The grounds of the Certosa, surrounded by high walls, are very large.

00:15:42There are stables for animals and cultivated fields.

00:15:45I think she's in there.

00:15:47It's just my thought.

00:15:48Alive or dead?

00:15:51Dead, because I dream of her dead.

00:15:53She is not alive.

00:15:55If a priest dies, he digs up and puts him away.

00:16:00This is what he does.

00:16:01I know for sure, because he told us.

00:16:05I'm sure it's always been my thought that he has everything to do with it.

00:16:10He did it all and I'm sure she's in there.

00:16:13That's why they can't find it, because only he can get in there.

00:16:18The suspect's lawyer tells us that Samuel is very shocked by the media hype surrounding the affair,

00:16:23but he is still ready to cooperate with the investigators.

00:16:27Even in the house where Paola lived, no one wants to talk to him.

00:16:31The neighbors have just arrived and Samuel and his family won't let them get close.

00:16:35Is it allowed? Is anyone there?

00:16:37He looks at his new companion.

00:16:39Good morning.

00:16:40I am a journalist.

00:16:43Can I talk to your husband, right?

00:16:44No.

00:16:45We always talk to my husband.

00:16:48We don't see it.

00:16:50And so we turn directly to the community of Formentale and Farneta.

00:16:54Have you seen or heard anything that might help us understand what happened to this woman?

00:16:59We would also be curious to know if that painting that so disturbed the lady where Paola used to do it is still there.

00:17:05cleaning.

00:17:05These paintings exist, they are on the floor above, it's a whole wall, a whole wall like this.

00:17:10And what paintings are they?

00:17:11What does he paint?

00:17:12He paints them, because he paints them.

00:17:14These are the paintings where the corpses are.

00:17:17Of the cadenas, he drew these cadenas on these walls.

00:17:21The women chained down on the ground, he called them, these were prostitutes.

00:17:25But they were all bloody, dead, everything.

00:17:29The types of his drawings are these.

00:17:32These are them.

00:17:32These are these here.

00:17:33This is what stuck with me, this picture where they are chained up and down this wall.

00:17:39All bloody feet, everything, yes.

00:17:41Which were beautiful, heavy paintings.

00:17:48Paola's mother never gave up, she never believed in voluntary separation.

00:17:54By the way, in Colombia there is a crime called forced removal.

00:17:57What's going on?

00:17:58That the mother makes complaints, complaints, even asks the Italians what happened to my daughter.

00:18:05And in this file that you present there is also a letter that you must have found,

00:18:11a letter from this husband who was investigated.

00:18:14We don't know who wrote it, but this is his version.

00:18:20We read it.

00:18:25I resigned myself to Paola's absence.

00:18:27I don't understand and will never understand what he did.

00:18:30I am speechless.

00:18:31When I talk to Rosalbita it breaks my heart, knowing that sometimes she thinks badly of me,

00:18:35when the only thing I did was be nice to Paola.

00:18:39I never treated her badly, not even with words.

00:18:41I don't feel anger in resentment towards her.

00:18:43I did everything I could.

00:18:46I looked for it wherever I could.

00:18:47I talked to everyone who knew her, even the police.

00:18:51We have moved heaven, earth and sea.

00:18:53The authorities tell me that she is definitely not in Italy.

00:18:56I suffered a lot.

00:18:58Now I don't have time for anyone.

00:19:00I have to think about myself and my son.

00:19:02I don't even call my mother.

00:19:03Forgive my silence.

00:19:05Only God knows what it means for a working man to live alone with a child.

00:19:11The Italian authorities don't actually think he's out of Italy,

00:19:15that she left voluntarily.

00:19:17So much so that they have now resumed the searches,

00:19:20probably after an anonymous letter, a statement,

00:19:24a testimony from someone.

00:19:26But our Ivan Bacchi with Ima Giuliani managed to reach this mother

00:19:32who has been trying to understand what happened to her daughter for years.

00:19:35And this mother from this distant country tells us something important.

00:19:39because she had spoken to her daughter before her disappearance.

00:19:44Let's listen to it together.

00:20:10When Paola Andrea wined on January 24th in 2012,

00:20:17which was when Paola Andrea disappeared.

00:20:20And when I look I look I look I'm two days away from staying here I look I look I look I look I look I look I look

00:20:29miro miro miro miro miro miro miro miro miro miro miro.

00:20:31And he said it, it could be.

00:20:33And I say to her, who is he?

00:20:34Samuel.

00:20:36And he told her, how so?

00:20:37Yes, but just as I had so many things and everything was fine, I didn't follow them at all, which is what happened.

00:20:47So I want to tell Samuel where my daughter is and what he did with her.

00:20:55And obviously we are here in the sense that if Paola wants to come forward,

00:20:59we naturally hope that she is alive somewhere outside of Italy,

00:21:04but after all, the mother's words are really harsh.

00:21:07And we are here for any information, even about those days that are far away,

00:21:12but someone in the country can remember something, every detail is really very important.

00:21:18Women who disappear, women who are searched for underground, and women who are killed.

00:21:24So we are with Nicodemo Gentile who is in our studios in Milan.

00:21:29Good evening Nicodemo, can you hear me?

00:21:32Good evening Federica, thank you.

00:21:34So, Attorney Gentile is in our offices in Milan, because tomorrow in Milan the trial finally opens

00:21:40Soncina.

00:21:42Pamela, you all knew Genini for these protagonists, Soncina who kills him,

00:21:47then Francesco Dolci who is investigated for the desecration of his tomb.

00:21:52A woman who has no peace, we said Nicodemus, neither alive nor dead.

00:21:58But I wanted to go through this journey with you, to try to understand if it was possible to save this woman,

00:22:07because some women don't feel like reporting it, they're afraid,

00:22:11but when there are alarms, when the police or the Carabinieri are called,

00:22:15several times a complaint should be filed in some way with the office.

00:22:20So let's see Giuseppe Pizzo's report to understand what happened to Pamela Genini before her death,

00:22:26Pizzo and Melania Straffi and then we are with Attorney Gentile who is the lawyer of Pamela's family.

00:22:39Gianluca Soncina, the 53-year-old entrepreneur who killed Pamela Genini,

00:22:43after the murder he was immediately arrested.

00:22:46His trial begins tomorrow.

00:22:50Here he is, lying on the floor, the dog hiding under the chair.

00:22:55This photo was taken a few minutes after the murder.

00:23:00Gianluca Soncina is accused of voluntary homicide aggravated by premeditation,

00:23:06from trivial motives, from cruelty and from the ended emotional relationship.

00:23:11A process that is looming over a question.

00:23:15Could Pamela have been saved?

00:23:17Something went wrong.

00:23:18Someone missed the warning sign.

00:23:22The woman was in serious danger.

00:23:24It's impossible not to understand this after so many interventions by the police and emergency room reports.

00:23:30A hell where Gianluca Soncina had dragged the girl,

00:23:35which remains not only unheard, but also disbelieved.

00:23:39He's threatening me, Pamela said, he has a gun.

00:23:43But nobody went to check.

00:23:45In fact, Pamela was deemed unreliable.

00:23:49But let's proceed in order.

00:23:53It is September 3, 2024.

00:23:55The Carabinieri arrive at Soncina's house in Cervia.

00:23:59She called them Pamela, because the man attacked her.

00:24:02Here's what the Carabinieri wrote.

00:24:04On the evening of September 3, 2024,

00:24:07for unspecified circumstances,

00:24:09the man, at the end of an argument,

00:24:11he would have pulled his hair,

00:24:12slapped twice on the head and threw an object with the pendulum in his hand.

00:24:15Soncina denies what the woman said,

00:24:18reporting that he had only argued over trivialities.

00:24:21Pamela does not file a complaint,

00:24:23but the pain is very strong

00:24:24and the next day he goes to the emergency room.

00:24:27Doctors found she had a fractured finger.

00:24:31Diagnosis.

00:24:31Aggression by a partner.

00:24:33Fracture with fragmentary detachment

00:24:35of the base of the middle phalanx of the fourth finger,

00:24:38on the flying side.

00:24:40Emotional and psychological abuse of an adult.

00:24:42Closed fracture.

00:24:43One or more phalanges of Stali's hand.

00:24:46Doctors discover that Pamela is a victim of violence

00:24:50and then they call the police who arrive on the scene

00:24:53and here's what they write.

00:24:55At approximately 2:00 PM today, September 4, 2024

00:24:59we went to the emergency room of the Bolognini hospital in Seriate

00:25:02for gender-based violence against a girl.

00:25:05Once on site, the girl was identified,

00:25:07who told us that the day before

00:25:09she had been abused by her boyfriend,

00:25:11which had forcefully caused a distortion

00:25:13on the finger of the right hand.

00:25:15The girl told us that in the past

00:25:16there had been similar episodes.

00:25:18He also reiterated several times that he was aware

00:25:20of the fact that the boyfriend collected knives

00:25:23and that he had a firearm.

00:25:25So Pamela reports to the police

00:25:27that her boyfriend Gianluca Soncin

00:25:29he broke her finger

00:25:31and that there have been other attacks in the past.

00:25:34But he also adds that Soncin is at home

00:25:37he has a collection of weapons

00:25:38and most importantly he has a gun.

00:25:41Furthermore, on that occasion,

00:25:42Pamela is made to fill out a questionnaire

00:25:45to check if it falls within the red code,

00:25:48that is, if she is an abused woman.

00:25:50There are five questions

00:25:52which is answered with a yes or a no.

00:25:55If three of these answers are yes,

00:25:57then the activation of protection is required.

00:26:00Here's how Pamela answers the questionnaire.

00:26:03Physical violence has increased in frequency and severity

00:26:06in the last six months?

00:26:07Yes.

00:26:09Has he ever used a weapon or threatened you with a weapon?

00:26:12Yes.

00:26:14Do you think he is capable of killing her?

00:26:16Yes.

00:26:18Were you ever beaten when you were pregnant?

00:26:21No.

00:26:22Is he intensely and constantly jealous of her?

00:26:25Yes.

00:26:27Pamela answers with four yeses and one no.

00:26:30The no is simply because she has never been pregnant.

00:26:34But the yeses are clear.

00:26:36Why isn't the red code triggered to protect her?

00:26:40Eleven days later, on September 15, 2024,

00:26:44the Carabinieri of Cervia write a note.

00:26:47In response to what was received from Codessa Tenenza,

00:26:50We would like to inform you that Soncin Gianluca does not own any weapons,

00:26:53even if it could not be in correlation with prejudices

00:26:56for which it is registered,

00:26:58financial crimes mainly.

00:27:00So, for the Carabinieri,

00:27:02Soncin does not hold a gun license,

00:27:04but is a check done at your home?

00:27:07No.

00:27:08What the Carabinieri know

00:27:09they learn it from Soncin and Pamela.

00:27:12And they always write in this report.

00:27:16Given the personality of both,

00:27:18It cannot be ruled out that the woman reported the facts

00:27:20in a spirit of rivalry.

00:27:22In short, Pamela, according to the person writing this document,

00:27:26he would have it in for Soncin

00:27:27and in revenge he would have told lies

00:27:29or at least he would have exaggerated

00:27:32in reporting the facts to the police.

00:27:34It is September 15, 2024.

00:27:38A year later, Soncin makes the copy

00:27:41of Pamela's house keys in Milan,

00:27:43he comes in and kills her with a knife.

00:27:45A weapon that probably

00:27:46it was part of this collection

00:27:48found at his house.

00:27:51Pamela had not lied to the police.

00:27:54At Soncin's house, in Cervia,

00:27:56there are knives and also a gun,

00:27:59as he had told the police a year earlier.

00:28:01But the check is done

00:28:03only after his murder.

00:28:05Could Pamela's death have been avoided?

00:28:07And why the girl

00:28:09didn't he report Soncin?

00:28:11Maybe because his killer

00:28:13he threatened his family,

00:28:15as Francesco Dolci says.

00:28:16Soncin's threats were very clear

00:28:18that if she had left him

00:28:20or had reported Gianluca Soncin,

00:28:23he would have killed his family,

00:28:26the mother, and he was also referring to the sister.

00:28:28But the red code doesn't go off

00:28:30regardless of the complaint from the party?

00:28:33There were many episodes before the murder.

00:28:36It would have been appropriate

00:28:37put them all in a row.

00:28:39On August 8, 2024,

00:28:42at 6.47 am,

00:28:44we took each other to the parking lot

00:28:45at the port of Piombino

00:28:47for a past discussion

00:28:48to the facts

00:28:49between a woman and a man.

00:28:50The woman told us

00:28:52that this morning,

00:28:53returning from a short vacation

00:28:55on the island of Elba,

00:28:56he had had an argument

00:28:57for reasons of jealousy

00:28:59with the friend he was traveling with.

00:29:01Such Soncin Gianluca.

00:29:03During this morning's discussion,

00:29:05the man would also have hit

00:29:07the woman at the head

00:29:08with a slap

00:29:09and then steal a suitcase from him.

00:29:11Judicial police note

00:29:13of May 9, 2025.

00:29:16The operators,

00:29:17at approximately 11.45 am

00:29:18of May 9, 2025,

00:29:20on disposal

00:29:21of the local operations room,

00:29:23they were taken to Via Iglesias

00:29:24at number 33 in Milan,

00:29:26as Genini Pamela

00:29:28required the presence

00:29:29of the police

00:29:30for a man behind

00:29:31his front door,

00:29:33intent on knocking insistently.

00:29:37Let's go back

00:29:38to that questionnaire

00:29:39what's the point?

00:29:40have these questions answered

00:29:42if then it doesn't lead to anything.

00:29:45Physical violence

00:29:46has increased in frequency and severity

00:29:47in the last six months?

00:29:49Yes.

00:29:50Have you ever used a weapon?

00:29:52or did he ever threaten her with a gun?

00:29:54Yes.

00:29:55He believes that he

00:29:56is he capable of killing her?

00:29:58Yes.

00:29:59Has she ever been beaten?

00:30:01when was she pregnant?

00:30:02No.

00:30:04He is strongly

00:30:05and constantly

00:30:06jealous of her?

00:30:07Yes.

00:30:12Nicodemus Gentile,

00:30:14then tomorrow

00:30:14it's a certainty,

00:30:15that is the process

00:30:16start,

00:30:17but anyway

00:30:17he was found there

00:30:18with the knife

00:30:19and indeed

00:30:21really

00:30:21the neighbors saw it

00:30:22that was stabbing her.

00:30:23In short

00:30:23there is no doubt

00:30:24on that,

00:30:25but some

00:30:27request

00:30:27we have to ask ourselves,

00:30:29that is, what

00:30:29it didn't work

00:30:31in your opinion?

00:30:31Why the alarm?

00:30:33there was

00:30:33and how

00:30:34during this period

00:30:36even if not very long

00:30:38where she was

00:30:39with Son Chin,

00:30:40Nicodemus?

00:30:41So Federica

00:30:42I thank you

00:30:43for this path

00:30:45Why

00:30:45the tragic

00:30:46Pamela's fate

00:30:48must serve

00:30:50once again

00:30:51and these battles

00:30:52we have to fight them

00:30:54why there is

00:30:55a leap forward

00:30:57of a cultural nature,

00:30:58the training

00:31:00of the operators

00:31:01it is essential

00:31:02it's not possible

00:31:02that these people

00:31:04don't speak

00:31:05among themselves

00:31:06that the authorities

00:31:07they don't put together

00:31:08in a database

00:31:09these situations

00:31:11and you have to

00:31:12finish it

00:31:13with the fact

00:31:14that everything

00:31:14is put back

00:31:15to the woman

00:31:16to the complaint

00:31:17of the woman

00:31:18Often

00:31:19the woman

00:31:20as was the case

00:31:20by Pamela

00:31:21because it is certified

00:31:23falls into a situation

00:31:25of impotence

00:31:26loses contact

00:31:27with reality

00:31:28loses the point

00:31:30of sight

00:31:30he's scared

00:31:31why is he coming

00:31:32threatened

00:31:33she is disoriented

00:31:34immobilized

00:31:35petrified

00:31:36Therefore

00:31:37if no one

00:31:38helps her

00:31:38Nobody

00:31:39he manages to save her

00:31:41and this

00:31:42it's already an effect

00:31:43of violence

00:31:44this is an effect

00:31:46of violence

00:31:46so we can't

00:31:48claim

00:31:48from a woman

00:31:50in a condition

00:31:51nebula

00:31:52in a condition

00:31:54of depression

00:31:55which is an effect

00:31:56of violence

00:31:58that undergoes

00:31:59to be able to arrive

00:32:01to the complaint

00:32:01biased

00:32:02when this person

00:32:03he threatened her

00:32:05he threatened his family members

00:32:06he even threatened

00:32:08to kill him

00:32:08the little dog

00:32:10it didn't work

00:32:11this approach

00:32:12ancient

00:32:13this formation

00:32:15where even

00:32:16it is questioned

00:32:17the word

00:32:18by Pamela

00:32:19this is a lot

00:32:20dramatic

00:32:21it's clear

00:32:22is being questioned

00:32:23but you say

00:32:24an ancient approach

00:32:25then there is the approach

00:32:27modern

00:32:27why the decrees

00:32:28government

00:32:29they are clear

00:32:30among other things

00:32:30to the emergency room

00:32:32they did well

00:32:32in the sense that

00:32:33when they understood

00:32:34that she is a woman

00:32:36mistreated

00:32:36that ends up in the emergency room

00:32:38they do them

00:32:39take this questionnaire

00:32:41this questionnaire

00:32:42I would like it for you

00:32:43to show again

00:32:44why are you looking

00:32:45it's really clear

00:32:46if you answer

00:32:47three yeses

00:32:48to these five

00:32:49questions

00:32:50it means

00:32:51that you have to be put

00:32:52in protection

00:32:54the positive response

00:32:55to three of the five questions

00:32:56it is a sign of high risk

00:32:58of reiteration

00:32:59of violence

00:32:59and requires

00:33:00the activation

00:33:01of protection

00:33:03so she answers

00:33:05among other things he answers

00:33:06Also

00:33:06he believes he is capable

00:33:08to kill her

00:33:09he answers yes

00:33:09this 11 months

00:33:11Before

00:33:11of the murder

00:33:13sorry Nicodemus

00:33:14but in your opinion

00:33:14this questionnaire

00:33:16important

00:33:16that has been done

00:33:17also through

00:33:18a government decree

00:33:20what happened to him

00:33:20he went

00:33:21but it is essential

00:33:23but unfortunately

00:33:24then it's missing

00:33:25the concrete part

00:33:27the practical part

00:33:28you showed

00:33:30and I thank you

00:33:31also a further one

00:33:33attack

00:33:34of Sun Chin

00:33:35in May

00:33:362025

00:33:36here too

00:33:38intervenes

00:33:39the police

00:33:41but they don't talk to each other

00:33:42the various organs

00:33:43that I am

00:33:44intervened

00:33:45and no one

00:33:47summons

00:33:48this woman

00:33:49to understand

00:33:50through

00:33:51of the specialists

00:33:52of psychologists

00:33:54a psychiatrist

00:33:55to understand

00:33:56in what conditions

00:33:57pour this woman

00:33:58why this woman

00:33:59he called

00:33:59on several occasions

00:34:01on the island of Elba

00:34:02in August 2024

00:34:03in Cervia

00:34:05and in Seriate

00:34:06in September 2024

00:34:08in Milan

00:34:10in May 2025

00:34:11but he didn't report it

00:34:13and someone

00:34:14a problem

00:34:14if you have to put it

00:34:15they don't report

00:34:16because they are afraid

00:34:17because they lose contact

00:34:18with reality

00:34:19they lose their point of view

00:34:20if no one

00:34:21supports them

00:34:22if no one

00:34:23inoculates

00:34:23these women

00:34:24with knowledge

00:34:26hardly

00:34:27they can arrive

00:34:28to report

00:34:29they are afraid

00:34:30they are afraid

00:34:31for their family

00:34:32he was threatened

00:34:33they are afraid

00:34:34for their safety

00:34:35and they crouch

00:34:37in this dark corner

00:34:38and they deliver themselves

00:34:39to their executioners

00:34:40among other things

00:34:40they are afraid

00:34:41as Nicodemus says

00:34:42Gentle

00:34:43why this woman

00:34:44Pamela Genini

00:34:45that we all know by now

00:34:47why are you looking

00:34:48the most absurd thing

00:34:48it is the desecration

00:34:49even of his tomb

00:34:51she spoke

00:34:53of many knives

00:34:54and a gun

00:34:55who saw

00:34:56at Soncina's house

00:34:57nobody goes to check

00:34:59so they give

00:35:00for her

00:35:01for a liar

00:35:02somehow

00:35:03and why him

00:35:04instead he could

00:35:05not to have

00:35:05these weapons

00:35:06and it makes an impression

00:35:07because then they go to check

00:35:09only after she

00:35:10she was killed

00:35:11so these weapons

00:35:12there were

00:35:13and it was probably just

00:35:15one of his knives

00:35:16those he had

00:35:17somehow

00:35:18but reported

00:35:19Pamela

00:35:19to kill her

00:35:21then we

00:35:22we will follow naturally

00:35:24the process

00:35:26but we continue to do it

00:35:27these questions

00:35:28what is it

00:35:28that didn't work

00:35:30Thanks Nicodemus

00:35:31Gentle

00:35:31for having been

00:35:32with us also from Milan

00:35:34thank you Federica

00:35:35Good work

00:35:35then I

00:35:36I wanted to show you

00:35:38the photography

00:35:39by Vito Croce

00:35:40we are in Erice

00:35:42to a beautiful place

00:35:44in Sicily

00:35:44you all know it

00:35:45Vito is 54 years old

00:35:47and lives in Erice

00:35:48in the hamlet of Casa Santa

00:35:50in the province of Trapani

00:35:51with his wife

00:35:52and the daughter

00:35:53he moves away

00:35:55in the heart of the night

00:35:56on Monday

00:35:56May 18th

00:35:57with his car

00:35:58which is a Lancia Musa

00:36:00old model

00:36:01mustard colored

00:36:02the license plate

00:36:03is this

00:36:04is D959SZ

00:36:06and the phone

00:36:09it is unreachable

00:36:11worn out

00:36:11and among other things

00:36:12he left at home

00:36:13the drugs

00:36:13which must be taken

00:36:15daily

00:36:16he is a gentle man

00:36:18always present

00:36:18for the family

00:36:19they describe it to us like this

00:36:20he has no reasons

00:36:22to move away

00:36:24there is no news

00:36:25for 16 days

00:36:26what happened

00:36:28to Vito Croce

00:36:31see you soon

00:36:32after this short break

00:36:46listen to the words

00:36:47of this mother

00:36:48her name is Franca

00:36:49and it's the mother

00:36:50by Igor Squeo

00:36:54it's a big difference

00:36:56go and find

00:36:57the son in prison

00:36:58or go to the cemetery

00:37:03there is a big difference

00:37:04but surely

00:37:06if it were finished

00:37:06in prison

00:37:07Surely

00:37:13I would have been

00:37:14very angry

00:37:15very very

00:37:16angry

00:37:17obvious

00:37:19but there is always

00:37:21hope

00:37:21to be able to start again

00:37:22to be able to

00:37:23and then ask

00:37:24Why

00:37:28he lacked nothing

00:37:29there is a big difference

00:37:33go and find

00:37:34a son in prison

00:37:35who is at the cemetery

00:37:37Franca is right

00:37:38and we this mother

00:37:38we invited her

00:37:40and with his lawyer

00:37:42lawyer

00:37:43Ilaria Urzini

00:37:44good evening Franca

00:37:45Good evening

00:37:46At that time

00:37:47it's hard

00:37:49for some mothers

00:37:50to fight these battles

00:37:52you feel it

00:37:53Alone

00:37:53then you

00:37:53you have

00:37:54the lawyer

00:37:55next to you

00:37:56even some people

00:37:56who helped you

00:37:57what's happening

00:37:58Why

00:37:59better in prison

00:38:00that at the cemetery

00:38:02why Igor

00:38:03actually

00:38:05it could have been

00:38:06handcuffed

00:38:06taken to prison

00:38:07there was an intervention

00:38:09of the police

00:38:10And

00:38:11after this intervention

00:38:13but

00:38:13Igor

00:38:14Squeo

00:38:14he dies

00:38:15At that time

00:38:16before telling you

00:38:17his story

00:38:18we want you

00:38:19to say something new

00:38:20what's on today

00:38:21which is very important

00:38:22lawyer

00:38:23There are

00:38:23six policemen

00:38:25that have been

00:38:25under investigation

00:38:26and a doctor

00:38:28even for murder

00:38:29negligent

00:38:29it's false

00:38:30And

00:38:31that's all

00:38:32it's due a little

00:38:33to the vocation

00:38:34of the Attorney General's Office

00:38:35of Milan

00:38:36because first

00:38:37we were going

00:38:38towards archiving

00:38:39what has changed

00:38:40why is it so important

00:38:42the vocation

00:38:42after two requests

00:38:44of archiving

00:38:46I thought

00:38:47that the only one

00:38:47way

00:38:48to overcome

00:38:51the impasse

00:38:53of my

00:38:54relationship

00:38:55with the power of attorney

00:38:56it was that of

00:38:58ask

00:38:59to the Attorney General's Office

00:39:01to advocate

00:39:01be the investigation

00:39:02then to take on

00:39:03the investigation

00:39:05and this request

00:39:07it was welcomed

00:39:08I deposited

00:39:09a memory

00:39:10indicating the themes

00:39:12trial

00:39:13that I hope

00:39:14come

00:39:15come

00:39:15welcomed

00:39:16and today

00:39:18we have

00:39:19a request

00:39:20of accident

00:39:20evidentiary

00:39:21on the question

00:39:22doctor

00:39:23legal

00:39:24on the causes

00:39:24of death

00:39:25that had not been

00:39:26absolutely thorough

00:39:27and that they are

00:39:28the motivation

00:39:29for which the Attorney General's Office

00:39:31he asked for the vocation

00:39:32Meaning what

00:39:32a difference

00:39:34of opinion

00:39:35on the cut

00:39:36investigative

00:39:37not death

00:39:38from intoxication

00:39:39acute

00:39:39of cocaine

00:39:40but a death

00:39:41from respiratory failure

00:39:43which is completely different

00:39:45so you

00:39:46as you imagine it

00:39:47this scene

00:39:48that is, your son

00:39:49which is terrible

00:39:51because you sometimes

00:39:52Perhaps

00:39:53Always

00:39:54I always

00:39:56I think about that scene

00:39:57I think about what it could be

00:39:58have tried

00:39:59at that moment

00:40:00what he may have suffered

00:40:05I always think

00:40:07to that scene

00:40:08it must be terrible

00:40:09you among other things

00:40:10you had to deal with it

00:40:11with a son

00:40:12that anyway

00:40:13he had problems

00:40:14of drugs

00:40:14this can be said

00:40:15calmly

00:40:16so it wasn't

00:40:17an easy life

00:40:19you searched

00:40:20somehow

00:40:21to help him

00:40:22but this certainly

00:40:23you didn't expect it

00:40:24I do not

00:40:25absolutely

00:40:27I saw

00:40:28this big change

00:40:30in the last period

00:40:32That

00:40:34I found it strange

00:40:35I saw him tired

00:40:36very tired

00:40:37and this thing

00:40:38he didn't give me

00:40:39it didn't make me think

00:40:41to what was happening

00:40:44nervous

00:40:45sometimes nervous

00:40:46his mood changed

00:40:48quickly

00:40:49but not

00:40:50absolutely

00:40:51I didn't trust blindly

00:40:52of him

00:40:53because whatever happens

00:40:54I didn't have

00:40:56absolutely

00:40:59I couldn't think

00:41:01that it could be

00:41:02arrived at that point

00:41:03I couldn't believe it

00:41:04it's as if something

00:41:06it went off

00:41:07now let's see

00:41:07what happened

00:41:09this night

00:41:10because Franca says

00:41:12better in handcuffs

00:41:14that at the cemetery

00:41:15and with ours

00:41:16Vittorio Romano

00:41:18and Valentina Pellegrino

00:41:19it's a terrible night

00:41:21and the son

00:41:21Unfortunately

00:41:22they give him back dead

00:41:38Beautiful

00:41:39young

00:41:39in love

00:41:40here they are

00:41:41Igor and Irina

00:41:42while driving

00:41:43carefree

00:41:44towards their future

00:41:45they dream of opening

00:41:46a place together

00:41:47him in the kitchen

00:41:48she between the tables

00:41:49what still

00:41:50they don't know

00:41:51is that the night

00:41:52of June 12th

00:41:53of 2022

00:41:53their dreams

00:41:55they will be swept away

00:42:00it's been a while

00:42:01after midnight

00:42:03Irina

00:42:03she is hospitalized

00:42:04in the hospital

00:42:05her boyfriend

00:42:06Igor Squeo

00:42:0733 years old

00:42:08he's in a room

00:42:09of the apartment

00:42:10of Via Dalmazzi

00:42:10in Milan

00:42:11together with a boy

00:42:12Ivorian

00:42:12they talk on the phone

00:42:14but it's clear

00:42:15that something is wrong

00:42:15so Irina

00:42:16asks the roommate

00:42:17who sleeps in the room

00:42:18next to

00:42:19to go and check

00:42:21Wedding ring

00:42:21Listen

00:42:22but everything's fine

00:42:23there at home

00:42:24because I don't understand

00:42:25Igor is listening

00:42:26but I'm hospitalized

00:42:28in the emergency room

00:42:29that is Igor

00:42:30that I don't understand

00:42:31what is he telling me

00:42:32that they want to kill him

00:42:34I do not understand

00:42:35that is, you're at home

00:42:37what's happening

00:42:38you feel something

00:42:394 hours later

00:42:41the room is devastated

00:42:43and the body

00:42:43as made by Igor

00:42:44it's stretched out

00:42:45in the morgue

00:42:46of the hospital

00:42:46pending

00:42:47of recognition

00:42:48from the mother's side

00:42:49something went wrong

00:42:51that evening

00:42:51it's undeniable

00:42:52I would like to know what

00:42:59I would like to know what

00:43:01it went wrong

00:43:02why my son died

00:43:03why he died

00:43:05why didn't it come out

00:43:07in handcuffs

00:43:10in handcuffs

00:43:11I don't sanctify it

00:43:13absolutely

00:43:14I don't sanctify it

00:43:18let's rebuild

00:43:19that night

00:43:20minute by minute

00:43:21at 2.30 in the morning

00:43:23Federico

00:43:23Igor's little compilation

00:43:24he hears screams

00:43:26from the next room

00:43:27and call 112

00:43:28at 2.45am

00:43:30intervenes

00:43:31the first flying squad

00:43:32the room

00:43:33it's locked

00:43:34but from a crack

00:43:35on the door

00:43:35the agents

00:43:36they see Igor

00:43:37chase the boy

00:43:38Ivorian

00:43:38with a knife

00:43:39Like this

00:43:40they break down the door

00:43:41on the floor

00:43:43they could be noticed

00:43:44numerous pieces of furniture destroyed

00:43:46once reached

00:43:47the two men

00:43:48that were lying down

00:43:49on the ground

00:43:49in a fight

00:43:50the operators

00:43:51they provided

00:43:52to divide the parts

00:43:53and move away

00:43:54with a kick

00:43:55the knife

00:43:55the squeo

00:43:57uttering sentences

00:43:58devoid of logical sense

00:44:00he placed himself frontally

00:44:01to the operators

00:44:02the squeo

00:44:03presented various lesions

00:44:05with loss of blood

00:44:06from both arms

00:44:07as well as

00:44:08on the eyebrow arch

00:44:10right

00:44:10that the same

00:44:11he was provoking himself

00:44:12hitting multiple times

00:44:13with the head

00:44:14the edges

00:44:15broken furniture

00:44:17according to the agents

00:44:19so

00:44:19the room

00:44:20it was already devastated

00:44:21when they entered

00:44:22and Igor

00:44:22he was already injured

00:44:23before their intervention

00:44:25nevertheless

00:44:26the girlfriend

00:44:26he claims

00:44:27of not having seen

00:44:28blood

00:44:28when he video called her

00:44:30at 2.30

00:44:30of the same night

00:44:33let's try to talk

00:44:34with the roommate

00:44:35who was at home

00:44:35that night

00:44:36the mother

00:44:37by Igor

00:44:38he told me

00:44:39That

00:44:40you were

00:44:41let's say

00:44:41the last person

00:44:42to have seen it

00:44:42that is, the friend

00:44:43if I'm not mistaken

00:44:44you were there that night

00:44:45June 12th

00:44:46but above all

00:44:47to watch

00:44:48I'm interested

00:44:48to release

00:44:49statements

00:44:50I am sorry

00:44:50but I can

00:44:51ask yourself why

00:44:53Alone

00:44:53I have to go

00:44:54I am sorry

00:44:58when they explained it to me

00:45:00what had happened

00:45:03I believed

00:45:05to what they told me

00:45:07then when I saw him

00:45:10they told me

00:45:11why is he like this

00:45:14because he had a fight

00:45:15with the other boy

00:45:16and this one here

00:45:17he was well off

00:45:18that's how it was described to me

00:45:19and took them

00:45:21my son was

00:45:22athletic

00:45:23he was well off

00:45:25100 kg of boy

00:45:271.90

00:45:28I said

00:45:30the other one that

00:45:30as?

00:45:31how is the other one doing?

00:45:32we informed ourselves

00:45:34when we found out

00:45:35who had a little scratch

00:45:36on the forehead

00:45:37I said

00:45:38No

00:45:38then there is something

00:45:39that's not going well

00:45:40No

00:45:41they told me

00:45:41who did it all by himself

00:45:43he got injured

00:45:44that way alone

00:45:47Igor is handcuffed

00:45:49hands and feet

00:45:50and immobilized on the ground

00:45:51in a lateral position

00:45:53of safety

00:45:53it is read

00:45:54in the relationship

00:45:55of the agents

00:45:56that is, on one side

00:45:57It's the standard procedure

00:45:58which limits

00:45:59the pressure

00:46:00on the rib cage

00:46:01avoiding the risk

00:46:02of suffocation

00:46:03on this point however

00:46:04the agents' versions

00:46:06and some health workers who intervened

00:46:07they don't match

00:46:09listen to how he tells

00:46:11the same scene

00:46:12a 118 volunteer

00:46:13Mr. Sgueo

00:46:15he was in a room

00:46:16prone on the ground

00:46:17then face down

00:46:18held by about

00:46:19six policemen

00:46:20as far as I remember

00:46:21definitely more than two

00:46:22the policemen

00:46:23they held him down

00:46:24crushed

00:46:25so some

00:46:26with his hands on him

00:46:26and they blocked him

00:46:27some with their hands

00:46:29some with the body

00:46:30and others with the knee

00:46:32how long did it last

00:46:33this scene?

00:46:34we called right away

00:46:35the doctor

00:46:35and I seem to remember

00:46:37that they have passed

00:46:3810-15 minutes

00:46:39and then there are the photos

00:46:41of Igor's corpse

00:46:42Images

00:46:43that we will not show you

00:46:45that body

00:46:46those signs

00:46:47according to the consultants

00:46:48of the mother

00:46:48I am the proof

00:46:49that history

00:46:50of that night

00:46:51it's still all to be written

00:46:52bruises

00:46:53all over the body

00:46:55in particular

00:46:57oval-shaped bruises

00:46:59that our consultants

00:47:00they brought back

00:47:01on the knees

00:47:02with signs of knees

00:47:03on the back

00:47:05on the back

00:47:06Yes

00:47:06on the back

00:47:07two bruises

00:47:09in shape

00:47:10ribbon-like

00:47:11that our consultants

00:47:12they brought back

00:47:13on the forearms

00:47:14or legs

00:47:16always on the back

00:47:18nose fracture

00:47:20and many rib fractures

00:47:22the agents

00:47:23they were trying to hold back

00:47:25Anyway

00:47:25an agitated man

00:47:27who attempted

00:47:30to defenestrate oneself

00:47:31who had a knife in his hand

00:47:32the situation was published

00:47:34so according to her

00:47:35this containment

00:47:36it was not legitimate

00:47:37it was not allowed

00:47:38it wasn't necessary

00:47:41contain it

00:47:42on the ground

00:47:43it was already

00:47:44handcuffed

00:47:45hands and feet

00:47:46it wasn't dangerous

00:47:48nor for himself

00:47:49nor for others

00:47:51between 2.45am

00:47:52and 4 in the morning

00:47:53Igor is handcuffed

00:47:55and immobilized

00:47:56on the ground

00:47:56under the influence

00:47:57of drugs

00:47:58Still

00:47:59very agitated

00:48:01according to the agents

00:48:03he tries to launch himself

00:48:04from the window

00:48:04even if the shutter

00:48:06will be photographed

00:48:07lowered

00:48:08even try

00:48:09to strangle

00:48:10her beloved

00:48:11bulldog

00:48:11the policemen

00:48:12they ask

00:48:13the intervention

00:48:14of a medical car

00:48:15to calm him down

00:48:15between 4.10am

00:48:17and 4.13

00:48:19the anesthetist

00:48:20he administers to him

00:48:21propofol

00:48:21a sedative

00:48:22at 4.15

00:48:24Igor's heart

00:48:25it stops

00:48:28transported

00:48:29in the hospital

00:48:30and intubated

00:48:30dies at 6.45

00:48:32of June 12th

00:48:37for the prosecution

00:48:38of Milan

00:48:38who asked

00:48:39twice

00:48:39the archiving

00:48:40it's not enough

00:48:42the only criterion

00:48:42of the rapid

00:48:43temporal succession

00:48:44between administration

00:48:45of the drug

00:48:46and cardiac arrest

00:48:47to support

00:48:48a causal link

00:48:49between the two events

00:48:50the cause of death

00:48:52for the PM

00:48:53it's intoxication

00:48:54acute

00:48:55from cocaine

00:48:57why was he dressed like that?

00:49:00why did he have that cut

00:49:01on your back?

00:49:04why did he have those bruises?

00:49:06why the legs

00:49:07were they like that?

00:49:07the hands?

00:49:08the face?

00:49:13those bruises?

00:49:21why he did it

00:49:22had any substances?

00:49:26It seems a bit like that to me

00:49:27too

00:49:38to cardiac death

00:49:41for cocaine

00:49:41they are necessarily

00:49:43connected

00:49:44of the signs

00:49:45of compromise

00:49:46of the heart

00:49:47which

00:49:48the obstruction

00:49:49of blood vessels

00:49:51and the enlargement

00:49:52of the heart

00:49:53these signs

00:49:55in Igor

00:49:56in the objective examination

00:49:57that they themselves

00:49:58they did

00:49:59in their

00:50:00in the autopsy

00:50:01they don't regret it

00:50:03while instead

00:50:04There are

00:50:05of the signs

00:50:06of serious

00:50:06insufficiency

00:50:08respiratory

00:50:08in the lungs

00:50:09signs of compromise

00:50:11Therefore

00:50:11unlike the heart

00:50:13they are the lungs

00:50:14to have

00:50:15form

00:50:15and volume

00:50:16doubles

00:50:17to have

00:50:18widespread

00:50:19punctuation

00:50:20reddish

00:50:20which are the

00:50:21petechiae

00:50:22hemorrhagic

00:50:22which are signs

00:50:23unequivocal

00:50:24of insufficiency

00:50:26respiratory

00:50:27then of death

00:50:28by asphyxiation

00:50:29therefore the heart

00:50:30it's true that it gives way

00:50:31but he gives in

00:50:32following a

00:50:33an insufficiency

00:50:34respiratory

00:50:35and not

00:50:36for cocaine

00:50:46in the grip

00:50:47the delirium

00:50:48induced

00:50:48from cocaine

00:50:49crushed

00:50:50belly on the ground

00:50:50from the agents

00:50:51and finally

00:50:52sedated

00:50:53with a drug

00:50:54which can slow down

00:50:55breathing

00:50:56that's how he died

00:50:57according to the consultants

00:50:58of the mother

00:50:59Igor Squeo

00:51:00nevertheless

00:51:01in the medical record

00:51:02it is read

00:51:03that at 4.09

00:51:04before administering

00:51:06the sedative

00:51:07the anesthetist

00:51:08monitor the patient

00:51:09and the level

00:51:10of oxygenation

00:51:10in the blood

00:51:11is 94%

00:51:13Igor breathes

00:51:14Good enough

00:51:17at 4.15

00:51:18reaches 96%

00:51:21reading the tracks

00:51:22attachments to the medical record

00:51:24Franca's lawyer

00:51:25but discovered

00:51:26that the pulse oximeter

00:51:27it is turned on

00:51:28at 4.14am

00:51:30and a minute later

00:51:31record a saturation

00:51:32of 82%

00:51:33seriously insufficient

00:51:35Igor

00:51:36he's not breathing

00:51:37What is the correct data?

00:51:4096%

00:51:41as reported

00:51:41in the medical record

00:51:43or 82%

00:51:44how to read

00:51:45on the track

00:51:46and how it was

00:51:47monitored

00:51:48the patient

00:51:48at 4.09am

00:51:49before sedation

00:51:51if the pulse oximeter

00:51:52was it off?

00:51:53That notation

00:51:54contrasts

00:51:55with

00:51:57a fact

00:51:58technician

00:51:59the pulse oximeter

00:52:00the route

00:52:01which is attached

00:52:02to the medical record

00:52:03that she can

00:52:04see

00:52:05reports

00:52:06at 4.15

00:52:07and 27

00:52:08an obstruction

00:52:09of 82%

00:52:10which means

00:52:11that the notation

00:52:13of 96%

00:52:14it can't be

00:52:15truthful

00:52:19after two requests

00:52:20of archiving

00:52:21the prosecutor

00:52:22General of Milan

00:52:23Francesca Nanni

00:52:24has a lawyer

00:52:25the investigation is separate

00:52:26the investigations

00:52:27it is written in the decree

00:52:28they have totally

00:52:29neglected

00:52:30the hypothesis

00:52:30investigative

00:52:31that the death

00:52:32of the SQEU

00:52:33may be

00:52:33was caused

00:52:34from asphyxiation

00:52:35positional

00:52:36determined

00:52:37from the improper

00:52:38physical restraint

00:52:39by

00:52:39of the police

00:52:40with the feedback

00:52:42scientific

00:52:42of saturation

00:52:43low

00:52:4482%

00:52:45and fractures

00:52:46ribs

00:52:47multiple

00:52:49what he has

00:52:50always supported

00:52:51Franca

00:52:54with experience

00:52:55that I had

00:52:56in these 4 years

00:52:57the fact

00:52:57that Igor

00:52:59that my son

00:53:00or anyone else

00:53:01make use of

00:53:02of substances

00:53:03or hold them

00:53:05Enough

00:53:06one less

00:53:07get out of the balls

00:53:09one less

00:53:10if he wanted it

00:53:11it's not that he's dead

00:53:14a canary

00:53:14a son died

00:53:16for me life

00:53:17it has changed

00:53:18my life

00:53:19it's no longer life

00:53:23my life

00:53:23it's a survival

00:53:24having to pretend

00:53:26not at all

00:53:27because anyway

00:53:28both the pain

00:53:28keep everyone away

00:53:31you have to do the math

00:53:32even with that

00:53:33but my life

00:53:34at this point

00:53:37I wonder

00:53:38How come

00:53:38I'm not dead

00:53:54frank

00:53:55I always say it

00:53:56when you lose a child

00:53:57for a mother

00:53:58you survive

00:53:59you don't live

00:54:00you survive

00:54:01then you said

00:54:02this sentence

00:54:03the pain

00:54:05keep everyone away

00:54:06and instead

00:54:06who suffers

00:54:08who suffered

00:54:09should have nearby

00:54:10the people

00:54:11there should be

00:54:12a commonality

00:54:13a closeness

00:54:13own

00:54:14Why

00:54:15because clearly

00:54:17your life

00:54:17it has changed

00:54:19and you're surviving

00:54:20but

00:54:20lawyer

00:54:21Now

00:54:22Vittorio Romano's service

00:54:24with Valentina Pellegrino

00:54:25it was very clear

00:54:26there are six policemen

00:54:28in that apartment

00:54:29and contain it

00:54:31the problem

00:54:32could be

00:54:33precisely this count

00:54:34four of them

00:54:35they are being investigated

00:54:36for murder

00:54:37unintentional

00:54:38and two instead

00:54:39for false

00:54:40ideological

00:54:42Meaning what

00:54:43two would have written

00:54:44the fake

00:54:45in the annotation

00:54:46and four instead

00:54:46they would have contained it

00:54:48crushing it

00:54:49let's say

00:54:49on the ground

00:54:50Yes

00:54:50according to the testimonies

00:54:52that we have acquired

00:54:54at least

00:54:55four

00:54:56agents

00:54:57that we succeeded

00:54:58to identify

00:55:00they would have

00:55:02they would have

00:55:03maintained

00:55:04this position

00:55:06prone

00:55:07for a time

00:55:08among the ten

00:55:09and the fifteen

00:55:11minutes

00:55:11with regard to

00:55:12the fake

00:55:13there is the contrast

00:55:14Between

00:55:14the annotation

00:55:16that speaks of

00:55:16lateral position

00:55:18of safety

00:55:19always maintained

00:55:20And

00:55:20ten

00:55:21others

00:55:22ten

00:55:23witnesses

00:55:23it's certain

00:55:24what they say

00:55:25that the position

00:55:26she is prone

00:55:27different

00:55:27she is prone

00:55:28At that time

00:55:28it all remains to be seen

00:55:29naturally

00:55:29they are under investigation

00:55:31but now

00:55:32what's happening

00:55:33what is it

00:55:34this accident

00:55:34evidentiary

00:55:36the request

00:55:37of accident

00:55:37evidentiary

00:55:38regard

00:55:38precisely the

00:55:39question

00:55:40coroner

00:55:41on the assessment

00:55:42of death

00:55:42what I

00:55:43but they will study it

00:55:44on the body

00:55:45by Igor

00:55:46or on the cards

00:55:47which have already been

00:55:48somehow

00:55:49acquired

00:55:50At that time

00:55:50the consultants

00:55:52of the PM

00:55:53they did

00:55:54a collection

00:55:55of the organs

00:55:57which is maintained

00:55:59for five years

00:56:00will evaluate

00:56:01Obviously

00:56:01the expert

00:56:02with the consultants

00:56:03whether to do it

00:56:05the rehumation

00:56:05because one of the things

00:56:06that has not been done

00:56:07it's the RX

00:56:09of the numerous

00:56:10fractures

00:56:11ribs

00:56:13Meaning what

00:56:13that autopsy

00:56:14contained

00:56:14exclusively

00:56:15the toxicological test

00:56:16toxicological

00:56:17that is, to see

00:56:18if he was a drug addict

00:56:19as mommy says

00:56:20we do it

00:56:21out

00:56:22the fractures

00:56:23so I am

00:56:25different

00:56:25they are different

00:56:26must

00:56:27I know that you

00:56:29you wanted to thank

00:56:30someone

00:56:30but that

00:56:30he was there for you

00:56:31us

00:56:32we were

00:56:34alone

00:56:35therefore

00:56:35for a long time

00:56:36we were

00:56:37truly alone

00:56:38I was colliding

00:56:38continuously

00:56:39with walls

00:56:40rubber

00:56:41I was looking for

00:56:42from the

00:56:43some explanations

00:56:45I wanted them to explain it to me

00:56:46or

00:56:47I wanted to do something

00:56:49it's not possible

00:56:50see

00:56:51lose a child

00:56:52Like this

00:56:52it's not possible

00:56:53the only ones

00:56:54who supported me

00:56:56and supported

00:56:57they were

00:56:58Professor Manconi

00:57:00with the Good Law

00:57:01and Marika Fantauzzi

00:57:04they supported me

00:57:05a lot of

00:57:06they supported me

00:57:07encouraged

00:57:09and I'm no longer with myself

00:57:11felt so alone

00:57:12and then now

00:57:12there are you

00:57:13and then your battle

00:57:15it's gone

00:57:15let's say forward

00:57:17and anyway something

00:57:19it happened

00:57:20a great victory

00:57:21to tell you that when I read

00:57:22your letter

00:57:23which I then sent

00:57:24to Vittorio Romano

00:57:24I understood that we too

00:57:26somehow

00:57:26we had to

00:57:28to be there

00:57:28and so here we are

00:57:30Thank you

00:57:30and let's try to follow

00:57:31the case

00:57:32which among other things

00:57:33It reminds me a lot

00:57:33the case of Magherini

00:57:34which you may have followed

00:57:36which is held

00:57:38in these years

00:57:39I didn't do anything else

00:57:40what to read

00:57:40light

00:57:41light

00:57:42and see these cases

00:57:43it will be very important

00:57:45the sentence

00:57:46of the European Court

00:57:46January 2026

00:57:48on Magherini

00:57:48it's certain

00:57:49At that time

00:57:49he has great confidence

00:57:51naturally

00:57:51in law enforcement

00:57:52in the police

00:57:53but anyway

00:57:54a mother

00:57:55has the right

00:57:56to know

00:57:56what happened

00:57:58in that apartment

00:57:59because as he told us

00:58:00it would have been better in handcuffs

00:58:01they arrested him

00:58:02it was fine like this

00:58:03would have asked

00:58:04what were you missing?

00:58:05but at the cemetery

00:58:06it's really very hard

00:58:08thanks Franca

00:58:09thanks to you

00:58:10thank you lawyer

00:58:11Thank you

00:58:13At that time

00:58:14it disappears

00:58:15you can disappear

00:58:17in really different ways

00:58:18strange

00:58:19And

00:58:19listen

00:58:20this cry

00:58:22out loud

00:58:24there are those who seek

00:58:25Mino

00:58:29Mino

00:58:36Mino

00:58:37Mino

00:58:38Mino

00:58:45Mino

00:58:46Mino

00:58:46Well yes

00:58:46in Italy

00:58:47it disappears

00:58:47even so

00:58:48go to work

00:58:49while you're driving

00:58:50the bridge collapses

00:58:51on which

00:58:52you're passing by

00:58:53Mino

00:58:54Meaning what

00:58:54Dominic

00:58:55Racanati

00:58:56called Mino

00:58:56disappears

00:58:57with all his

00:58:58machine

00:58:58he is not found, the car is not found, a grey Fiat Bravo

00:59:03and the family members decided to turn to us.

00:59:06Our correspondent Fabrizio Franceschelli went there with Valentina Giona.

00:59:17These women, a mother, a sister, a wife, often return here, among the stones of the river

00:59:24and immerse their hands and thoughts in the waters that have taken away their Sunday.

00:59:29It was exactly two minutes to nine when my husband sent me the last video.

00:59:35on the road he was traveling on and after nine I had no signal anymore.

00:59:40I sent him a message to find out if he had arrived at the port authority in Ortona.

00:59:45From Ortona, because he has a boat there in Ortona.

00:59:48Yes, he had to set up his own business to start a new business of his own,

00:59:52he had to deliver some last documents.

00:59:55I sent him an audio saying but you arrived

01:00:00and this audio no longer received the double check for message delivery

01:00:06and there I understood that something had happened because we were always in contact.

01:00:11I hadn't heard from him for two hours.

01:00:15Is your husband a fisherman?

01:00:16Yes, he is a fisherman.

01:00:19This bridge, this river, hide the secret of Domenico Rakanati,

01:00:24a 53-year-old man, called Mino, who no one has been able to find in two months,

01:00:30neither him nor his car.

01:00:32The river is the Trigno, which gives its name to the bridge on state road 16,

01:00:37important connection route between north and south along the Adriatic coast.

01:00:41This behind me is the point where highway 16 was blocked,

01:00:47cordoned off and Mino Rakanati was coming in this direction on April 2nd,

01:00:54going up from Bisceglie to reach the port of Ortona,

01:00:57where he had to deliver some documents.

01:00:59But he failed to cross this bridge,

01:01:02because at some point the bridge collapsed and he disappeared.

01:01:06The accident occurred on April 2, a few hundred meters from the sea,

01:01:12right on the estuary of the river that marks the border between the two regions

01:01:16of Abruzzo and Molise, immediately south of Vasto and San Salvo.

01:01:20I have an application where I followed the path that my husband took

01:01:24and seeing as there was no answer on the phone,

01:01:27I went to look to see where he had arrived.

01:01:30And when I opened the app I saw his last location

01:01:33which was standing right on the bridge.

01:01:36So she asked herself, but why did he stop in the middle of the bridge?

01:01:39Yes, then while I was browsing social media I learned about the collapse of the Trigno bridge

01:01:44and I put everything back together.

01:01:47So he has the last position on the Trigno bridge,

01:01:50the messages that didn't reach him, the collapse of the Trigno bridge,

01:01:53and there I already thought the worst.

01:01:57Mino's family immediately went on alert.

01:02:00Brother Alessandro arrives at the location indicated by the locator

01:02:04as quickly as he can.

01:02:05Given the bad weather, perhaps not much could be done at the time.

01:02:08The weather was really stormy that day,

01:02:11but both the Port Authority and the Fire Brigade

01:02:14they gave their all.

01:02:19Domenico Ricanati is from Bisceglie,

01:02:21but he works as a sailor with boats that are moored in the port of Ortona.

01:02:25And so every week he makes this journey.

01:02:28On Sunday evening, we headed north to embark.

01:02:31It's Thursday afternoon or Friday morning as soon as you get back from fishing down south

01:02:37to go back home to Puglia.

01:02:39My brother worked with me all his life,

01:02:42a lifetime but he was tired of being dependent,

01:02:46he wanted to set up his own business,

01:02:47he just had to earn his day's wages,

01:02:50not to be commanded by anyone,

01:02:51he wanted to be free,

01:02:52He had to decide when to go out and when to come back.

01:02:55And so he had bought a slightly smaller boat

01:02:57to be able to manage independently.

01:02:59Yes, a six-meter boat

01:03:00that he could handle it,

01:03:02he could only work there.

01:03:03I come from a generation of the sea,

01:03:06grandparents, fathers, brothers, sons, son-in-law,

01:03:10all from the sea, grandchildren, all.

01:03:12She's also a bit, let's say,

01:03:14in quotation marks, used to being a little anxious.

01:03:17We are anxious,

01:03:18until we see them come back,

01:03:20between sea, then road,

01:03:22we are always anxious.

01:03:25In those days the bad weather does not allow going out to sea,

01:03:29but he, Mino, needs to reach Ortona

01:03:32for some documents he needs for work.

01:03:34And it is precisely the morning of Thursday, April 2nd

01:03:37that Mino is traveling by car towards Ortona

01:03:40and find state road 16

01:03:41which crosses the Trigno Bridge blocked.

01:03:44It's nine in the morning.

01:03:46The river has swollen beyond measure

01:03:48and risks overflowing and overwhelming everything,

01:03:51as has already happened in other regions of Italy.

01:03:53For this reason,

01:03:55is issued by the competent authorities

01:03:57the ordinance prohibiting crossing the Trigno Bridge,

01:04:00but some drivers still reach the bridge

01:04:04through secondary roads.

01:04:06Other fellow villagers of mine also passed by.

01:04:08that came down from Vasto,

01:04:11half an hour before my brother,

01:04:12about what happened to my brother.

01:04:14There were some New Jerseys at the Petacciato roundabout

01:04:17to go up north,

01:04:19but going down south was free

01:04:20and then there was an alternative route

01:04:22from the side above Petacciato,

01:04:24that she was free,

01:04:25that we walked along the next day

01:04:27to see...

01:04:28To come here?

01:04:29Yes, to come here,

01:04:30to see the path he had taken.

01:04:33Pasquale, a friend of the Ricanati brothers,

01:04:35he had passed over the Trigno Bridge shortly before Mino.

01:04:38No, a quarter of an hour passed before I...

01:04:41which passed to Mino.

01:04:42And it was halfway, closed and open.

01:04:46Let's say, going up north was closed at Petacciato.

01:04:48Yes, but coming down from the north everything was open.

01:04:52We saw the cars pass by,

01:04:53a truck passed by, a lorry,

01:04:55a cistern above, I'd say.

01:04:58Two months have passed since that day

01:05:01and no trace of the car has yet been found.

01:05:03The Termoli Coast Guard

01:05:05states that the wreck of the Fiat Bravo,

01:05:08led by Mino,

01:05:09cannot be found in the sea.

01:05:11And the family members are convinced

01:05:12that the car with the lifeless body of their Mino

01:05:15is still under the rubble of the bridge

01:05:17or in any case in the stretch of the river mouth.

01:05:20Today there are many special vehicles

01:05:23for research.

01:05:25I would like to know why they are not used.

01:05:28There are so many ways.

01:05:31Sure, she says it's possible

01:05:33that the car has not been located in at least two months.

01:05:36That's what we ask ourselves.

01:05:38He told me before

01:05:38who would have imagined

01:05:40who is my son who went to sea for many years.

01:05:42He went to sea for many years

01:05:44who was supposed to die on a bridge.

01:05:47He's been through a lot of storms, I imagine?

01:05:50Enough.

01:05:51Bad weather, storms, enough.

01:05:55Yes.

01:05:57And what would you like now?

01:05:59That the research continues,

01:06:02who find my son,

01:06:03that my son must come back to us.

01:06:07However, it seems that on the morning of the bridge collapse

01:06:09there was another car crossing it

01:06:12and preceded the Fiat Bravo of Domenico Racanati.

01:06:15What did your passengers see?

01:06:17How did they manage to save themselves?

01:06:20Maybe they will contact us

01:06:22to know at least something about what happened.

01:06:25So he would like this family,

01:06:27or these people who contact you...

01:06:29Since they were the last ones

01:06:31to see my husband's car

01:06:33to know how it happened,

01:06:35what happened at that moment,

01:06:37if the bridge was tilted,

01:06:38how the bridge fell.

01:06:39I know that in fear surely

01:06:41they will have run away immediately

01:06:42and they don't have...

01:06:43But they still saw...

01:06:44But they saw something,

01:06:45at least in the rearview mirror.

01:06:47They saw each other for the last time

01:06:48my husband's car

01:06:49that behind them was no longer there.

01:06:52However, the research

01:06:53of the Port Authority of Termoli,

01:06:55started on the same day of the collapse,

01:06:58it seems that they have continued

01:06:59for a few weeks,

01:07:01until April 23rd,

01:07:02on an area of about 7 square km

01:07:05in the body of water in front

01:07:07the mouth of the Trigno river.

01:07:08And these searches have yielded negative results.

01:07:11But the coast guard

01:07:13claims that the affected area

01:07:15It continues to be patrolled to this day.

01:07:17We, the troubled family members

01:07:19we want more men,

01:07:22more tools,

01:07:22more means

01:07:24for research

01:07:25of my husband.

01:07:26Just this.

01:07:27And speed things up a little

01:07:29because two months have passed

01:07:30and we want,

01:07:32I want my husband at home,

01:07:33my children want their dad at home,

01:07:35their brother,

01:07:36my mother-in-law,

01:07:38so let's wait.

01:07:39Two months are too many.

01:07:41Aren't you going to forget?

01:07:42No.

01:07:43This story must not be forgotten

01:07:45and that's it.

01:07:46This story must not end like this.

01:07:54A few seconds of pause

01:07:55and then we are in Pietracatella.

01:07:57Who killed the mother and daughter?

01:08:11Pietracatella is a town

01:08:13that few of us knew,

01:08:15in fact almost no one,

01:08:17but now one by one

01:08:20all the inhabitants

01:08:21it looks like they're going to the police station

01:08:23to say what they know.

01:08:25We are connected

01:08:26with our Francesco Palo del Re

01:08:27who with the lawyers Fiorda and Albino,

01:08:30good evening lawyers,

01:08:32who are the lawyers of one of the doctors

01:08:35because we know

01:08:36that the doctors are still under investigation.

01:08:38Francis Palo del Re,

01:08:39how many inhabitants were heard

01:08:43at the police station today?

01:08:46Federica, the number of sit,

01:08:49that is, the testimonies collected

01:08:51It makes an impression on the police.

01:08:53There are 160 documents that they have drawn up.

01:08:57There are not 160 people,

01:08:59I'm a little less

01:08:59why some of these people

01:09:01they have been heard several times,

01:09:03even 3-4 times.

01:09:05But there are 160 testimonies

01:09:08that up to now the police headquarters,

01:09:10the mobile squad has collected.

01:09:11So, and we move on,

01:09:13but were the doctors listened to?

01:09:16Maybe we can ask the lawyers.

01:09:18That is, among these people there are also doctors.

01:09:20who are still under investigation today?

01:09:24No, the doctors have not yet been heard.

01:09:28We haven't received any notice of investigation.

01:09:30in these terms at the moment.

01:09:33So, so...

01:09:34Were they not listened to immediately?

01:09:36They were not even listened to immediately

01:09:38because practically the file

01:09:40it has already opened to their load

01:09:42as a necessary act for manslaughter.

01:09:46So they were not heard

01:09:47not even immediately.

01:09:48So, what we are trying to understand

01:09:51from the citizens of this country,

01:09:53especially those closest to the family

01:09:56or Antonella's acquaintances,

01:09:58of her husband and daughters,

01:10:01is to understand even if there may have been

01:10:02of confidences.

01:10:04In short, something

01:10:04that brings the investigators

01:10:06to solve this mystery.

01:10:08This mystery of ricin

01:10:09who entered this house,

01:10:10he killed a mother, a daughter.

01:10:13Now there's this whole country

01:10:14which is in turmoil.

01:10:15They are really all heard a little,

01:10:18even if some a little more than others.

01:10:21So some had to go there several times,

01:10:24the husband too.

01:10:26In short, he was heard on the sit.

01:10:28This is various information.

01:10:30Of course no one is under investigation

01:10:32for what has been defined however

01:10:34a murder.

01:10:36So, from the mayor to the parish priest

01:10:37everyone can be important.

01:10:39Even to the ordinary citizen

01:10:41who heard something.

01:10:43The service of Francesco Paolo del Re

01:10:44and Giovanna Laporta.

01:11:00Time passes,

01:11:02but the country's dismay

01:11:04dreadlocks in the meantime.

01:11:06In the small village of Pietracatella

01:11:08everyone knows the family of life,

01:11:10also because Gianni,

01:11:11Antonella's husband

01:11:12and father of Sarah,

01:11:13he was mayor.

01:11:15And that's exactly why

01:11:16it was heard

01:11:17at the police station on Monday

01:11:19also Antonio Tomassone,

01:11:20the current mayor,

01:11:22just re-elected

01:11:22for his second term.

01:11:24We understand that time is running out,

01:11:26because the situation is complex

01:11:27and the sense that the directions

01:11:30do their job

01:11:32and take their time.

01:11:33One in ten.

01:11:35One in ten inhabitants

01:11:37he was called

01:11:38from the flying squad

01:11:39led by Marco Graziano

01:11:40to tell what he knows.

01:11:42Because even small fragments of stories,

01:11:44voices and impressions

01:11:46they can be important

01:11:47to understand who ever

01:11:48wanted to do harm

01:11:49to the family

01:11:50and kill mother and daughter.

01:11:53I knew Antonella,

01:11:54I know Gianni,

01:11:56the daughter

01:11:57he went to school with my grandson.

01:11:59Everyone talks to us about good people,

01:12:01of a beautiful family.

01:12:03People

01:12:03in a way

01:12:04very correct.

01:12:07He is in a situation

01:12:09that just makes us want to cry

01:12:13in this situation.

01:12:16We can't do it

01:12:18nor interviews,

01:12:19nor anything.

01:12:21So...

01:12:21I see you are really shaken.

01:12:23Yes.

01:12:24He lives up here.

01:12:26There was a great relationship

01:12:28of friendship with everyone.

01:12:30He got an idea

01:12:31of what could have happened to her?

01:12:33No.

01:12:36A coincidence,

01:12:37I assume,

01:12:38I don't know,

01:12:39ninth.

01:12:40but

01:12:42from here to say

01:12:44homocide

01:12:44and all the rest of the gang

01:12:45own

01:12:46it's the most absolute way.

01:12:48This gentleman

01:12:49he is cautious

01:12:50in expressing judgments

01:12:51how cautious they are

01:12:52all his fellow citizens.

01:12:55For the people

01:12:56it's difficult

01:12:57think about murder

01:12:58even if the prosecution

01:12:59he doesn't believe

01:13:00to the accident track.

01:13:02It was heard

01:13:03even Don Stefano,

01:13:04the parish priest of the village

01:13:05but with journalists

01:13:07he doesn't speak.

01:13:08Don Stefano,

01:13:09in hope

01:13:10to have help

01:13:11to understand what

01:13:12is happening

01:13:13we reach

01:13:13Don Mauro,

01:13:15the former parish priest

01:13:15that until five years ago

01:13:17he was the spiritual guide

01:13:18of the community

01:13:19of Pietragatella.

01:13:21The hypothesis

01:13:22of something

01:13:23as a volunteer

01:13:26create

01:13:28so much fear

01:13:29Also

01:13:31among the population

01:13:32and from that

01:13:33what do I know

01:13:35as soon as it had spread

01:13:36the news

01:13:37there was a lot of mistrust

01:13:39the ones

01:13:40towards others

01:13:41and then

01:13:42a mistrust

01:13:44which is typical

01:13:45of the Molise people

01:13:46of this people

01:13:47so joyful

01:13:47and welcoming

01:13:48how taciturn

01:13:49in the hardest moments

01:13:51also because

01:13:52one word too many

01:13:53can crack

01:13:54reports

01:13:55and create fractures

01:13:56which could become

01:13:57incurable.

01:13:58We also understand

01:13:59the dynamics

01:14:00of the country

01:14:01we also understand

01:14:02the dynamics

01:14:05tied

01:14:06to the mentality

01:14:07from Molise

01:14:08it's normal

01:14:10That

01:14:10for many

01:14:12reasons

01:14:13why one more word

01:14:15or one word less

01:14:16they can do

01:14:17the difference

01:14:18in relationships

01:14:19even between families

01:14:21it's not silence

01:14:24but it's really

01:14:29fear

01:14:29to spoil

01:14:30the reports

01:14:32there's a little bit

01:14:33with this fear

01:14:33to speak

01:14:34there is

01:14:34there is confidentiality

01:14:36of many people

01:14:37there's also a little bit

01:14:39the fact

01:14:39that by now

01:14:40they are tired

01:14:41to see

01:14:42cameras

01:14:42drones

01:14:43etc.

01:14:44everyone barricading themselves

01:14:45even behind

01:14:46the shutters

01:14:47as soon as

01:14:48that they notice

01:14:49the movement

01:14:51At that time

01:14:52I think it is

01:14:53normal

01:14:54there are people

01:14:55Now

01:14:55after many months

01:14:56he also wants a little

01:14:57of normality

01:14:58in the village

01:14:59attention

01:15:00of the national press

01:15:02and the presence

01:15:02of many cameras

01:15:03in Pietracatella

01:15:04affects

01:15:05about life

01:15:06of a community

01:15:06already troubled

01:15:07from a poisoning

01:15:09apparently

01:15:09inexplicable

01:15:10Don Mauro

01:15:12tells us

01:15:12that the news

01:15:13of the illness

01:15:14of mother and daughter

01:15:15it spreads immediately

01:15:16and it even arrives

01:15:17to him

01:15:17who now lives

01:15:18in another country

01:15:19in the immediate days

01:15:21after the incident

01:15:22there was only

01:15:23dismay

01:15:24also because

01:15:25Really

01:15:26a fifteen year old

01:15:27and a fifty-year-old

01:15:29they leave

01:15:30even with a certain

01:15:32perplexity

01:15:33Then

01:15:34we are looking for

01:15:35rather

01:15:36to contact

01:15:37the family members

01:15:37for consolation

01:15:39for comfort

01:15:42you know

01:15:43that in those

01:15:44opportunities

01:15:44then you have to

01:15:45wait

01:15:45the outcome

01:15:46of the autopsy

01:15:47why the hypotheses

01:15:48they leave time

01:15:49that they find

01:15:51instead then

01:15:52we will go

01:15:55to have

01:15:56a situation

01:15:57clear enough

01:15:58for which

01:15:58you'll understand

01:15:59Also

01:16:01the motivation

01:16:03of the gesture

01:16:04that can be so much

01:16:05an act

01:16:05of madness

01:16:06just to be

01:16:07an act

01:16:07dictation

01:16:08maybe

01:16:09from which

01:16:10other

01:16:11feeling

01:16:12or resentment

01:16:13In short

01:16:14I do not know

01:16:15but now I

01:16:16I ask something

01:16:17to the man

01:16:17and not to the parish priest

01:16:19but she has an idea

01:16:20he did it

01:16:21there is a thought of his

01:16:22if I may ask

01:16:23to share it with us

01:16:24then I am

01:16:25totally rational

01:16:26and cold

01:16:27in the face of certain things

01:16:29what I always say

01:16:30I don't want it

01:16:31waste time

01:16:32before

01:16:33of not having

01:16:34had

01:16:36clarity

01:16:38dictated

01:16:39from something

01:16:40in writing

01:16:41of officer

01:16:43we want to have fun

01:16:44with imagination

01:16:45let's have fun too

01:16:45but let's not do it

01:16:47pass as truth

01:16:56enmities

01:16:56problems

01:16:58something

01:16:59some echoes

01:17:00I don't know anything

01:17:01I don't know anything

01:17:04Really

01:17:04I don't know anything

01:17:09Certain

01:17:10Gianni was

01:17:11mayor anyway

01:17:13they did it to him

01:17:13even some

01:17:14tripping

01:17:15at the time

01:17:16he didn't tell me this

01:17:17never anyone

01:17:18but little things

01:17:20what's happening

01:17:21Anyway

01:17:21within

01:17:22of the administration

01:17:24it's difficult

01:17:25maybe think

01:17:26to a motive

01:17:27political

01:17:27to something

01:17:28that can be traced back

01:17:29to the activity

01:17:30of mayor

01:17:30by Gianni di Vita

01:17:32there could be

01:17:34instead a motive

01:17:35passionate

01:17:35behind the poisoning

01:17:36by Antonella and Sara

01:17:37the parish priest

01:17:39in Molise

01:17:40it's still a point

01:17:41of reference

01:17:42for which

01:17:43they are done

01:17:44many confidences

01:17:45help is requested

01:17:47Also

01:17:48to fix

01:17:50of situations

01:17:50relational

01:17:53conflictual

01:17:54Certain

01:17:54Therefore

01:17:55if a wife

01:17:56he has a problem

01:17:57with a husband

01:17:57he could confide

01:17:58with the parish priest

01:17:59but yes

01:17:59Yes

01:18:00but also because

01:18:02then in the village

01:18:04especially

01:18:05in those countries

01:18:06where the parish priest

01:18:07lives

01:18:10the parish priest himself

01:18:11who has the eye

01:18:12clinical

01:18:13that sub-identifies

01:18:14some things

01:18:15for which

01:18:16is found

01:18:17a way

01:18:17to talk

01:18:19or to help

01:18:19the other

01:18:20to open up

01:18:22for which

01:18:22it's easy

01:18:23that we find ourselves in

01:18:24in similar situations

01:18:25but

01:18:27Therefore

01:18:27she

01:18:28which was

01:18:28in Pietragatella

01:18:29if he had perceived

01:18:30some problems

01:18:31within

01:18:31of the family

01:18:32by Antonella

01:18:32could have

01:18:33intervene

01:18:35it would have been

01:18:36obligatory

01:18:38it would have been

01:18:39obligatory

01:18:42compared to a

01:18:42motive

01:18:43passionate

01:18:44behind death

01:18:44by Sara

01:18:45and Antonella

01:18:46he appears skeptical

01:18:47the lawyer too

01:18:48by Gianni

01:18:48Victorino Facciolla

01:18:50we are in the

01:18:51reconstruction

01:18:52incredibly

01:18:53imaginative

01:18:55what's there

01:18:56in one

01:18:57spy story

01:18:58in which

01:18:59somehow

01:19:00we pushed ourselves back

01:19:01it has become

01:19:02this

01:19:02story

01:19:04but what

01:19:05conflicts

01:19:05with

01:19:06attention

01:19:07that we have to give

01:19:08to the injured parties

01:19:09of this procedure

01:19:11criminal

01:19:11to which not only

01:19:12beyond the pain

01:19:14we are

01:19:16reserving

01:19:17a treatment

01:19:18in general

01:19:19I have to say

01:19:20not idyllic

01:19:21but in some respects

01:19:22from my point of view

01:19:23Instead

01:19:24incredibly

01:19:24excessive

01:19:26what happened

01:19:27at Gianni's house

01:19:28Antonella

01:19:29Will be

01:19:29and Alice

01:19:30during the Christmas holidays

01:19:31they will be the investigators

01:19:32to establish it

01:19:33the work

01:19:35of the prosecution

01:19:35and the mobile squad

01:19:36is being conducted

01:19:37scrupulously

01:19:38and knows no rest

01:19:39but in front

01:19:40to many questions

01:19:41still open

01:19:42and without response

01:19:43the appeal arrives

01:19:44by Don Mauro

01:19:45not to be missed

01:19:46reasonableness

01:19:46and humanity

01:19:47we always remain

01:19:49with your feet on the ground

01:19:50let's leave

01:19:51That

01:19:52the investigators

01:19:54and justice

01:19:55they do

01:19:55their

01:19:56course

01:19:59And

01:19:59an appeal

01:20:01to the

01:20:02to the

01:20:03journalists

01:20:04to the organs

01:20:05Of

01:20:06information

01:20:07to be

01:20:10serious

01:20:11from the point of view

01:20:13be professional

01:20:15that ethical

01:20:17and above all

01:20:20they are implemented

01:20:22of the strategies

01:20:23even inside

01:20:24of the country

01:20:24to re-establish

01:20:25a bit

01:20:26serenity

01:20:26general

01:20:27my appeal

01:20:28it really is

01:20:28that of

01:20:30on everyone's part

01:20:32to be

01:20:34be careful

01:20:34not to harm

01:20:35the good reputation

01:20:37of no one

01:20:38not to do

01:20:40processes

01:20:41to intentions

01:20:42processes

01:20:44to the witches

01:20:44let's say so

01:20:45in quotation marks

01:20:46and to make live

01:20:48a bit

01:20:48of serenity

01:20:48Also

01:20:49and above all

01:20:52at the

01:20:53lass

01:21:00what we have

01:21:01Understood

01:21:02what's there

01:21:02an investigation

01:21:04for murder

01:21:05voluntary

01:21:06but in comparison

01:21:07of unknown persons

01:21:07but then there are

01:21:08the lawyers

01:21:09that could

01:21:09to be

01:21:10Excuse me

01:21:11the doctors

01:21:11that could

01:21:12to be postponed

01:21:13on trial

01:21:14Anyway

01:21:15them too

01:21:16they are not

01:21:17unknown

01:21:18for murder

01:21:18negligent

01:21:19and so

01:21:20Francis Paul

01:21:21you have

01:21:22next to

01:21:22the lawyers

01:21:24yes Federica

01:21:25everyone is wondering

01:21:27but the role

01:21:28of the doctors

01:21:29Which

01:21:29there is a fault

01:21:30medical

01:21:31lawyer

01:21:32Albino

01:21:32what an idea

01:21:33it was done

01:21:33It helps us understand

01:21:35so look

01:21:36I wanted to say something

01:21:37I heard

01:21:37the excellent

01:21:39interview

01:21:40of the priest

01:21:41which says

01:21:43we don't talk

01:21:44if there isn't

01:21:45nothing written

01:21:46here it is

01:21:46a first written document

01:21:48which is the consultancy

01:21:49of the institute

01:21:49Maugeri

01:21:50that speaks of

01:21:51intoxication

01:21:52acute

01:21:53from Ricin

01:21:54there are

01:21:55repeated

01:21:56statements

01:21:57of scientists

01:21:58moreover

01:21:59that today

01:22:00a part of them

01:22:01they are also part

01:22:02of the college

01:22:03expert

01:22:05statements

01:22:05to which it is said

01:22:06that there was

01:22:07poisoning

01:22:08from Ricin

01:22:09that there was

01:22:09a quantity

01:22:11excessive

01:22:12remarkable

01:22:12absolutely

01:22:13lethal

01:22:14that isn't there

01:22:15antidote

01:22:16and that the doctors

01:22:17Nothing

01:22:17they could do

01:22:18not only

01:22:20After

01:22:21the access

01:22:23to the emergency room

01:22:24from the point of view

01:22:25restorative

01:22:26but they couldn't do it

01:22:27nothing before

01:22:28to identify

01:22:29this poisoning

01:22:30Therefore

01:22:31it is absolutely

01:22:32legitimate

01:22:33to ask oneself

01:22:33How come

01:22:34the doctors

01:22:35they continue

01:22:36to be

01:22:37under investigation

01:22:38maximum

01:22:39respect

01:22:40for the drama

01:22:41of the family

01:22:42as we have

01:22:44always said

01:22:45a minimum of respect

01:22:47for the suspects

01:22:49that continue

01:22:49to be so

01:22:51we would demand it

01:22:53us too

01:22:54I wouldn't want to

01:22:56we wouldn't want to

01:22:58that if

01:22:58nothing else

01:22:59should emerge

01:23:00from these investigations

01:23:01things

01:23:03let them stay that way

01:23:04how are they

01:23:04that is, they remain

01:23:05under investigation

01:23:06of the doctors

01:23:07in front

01:23:08of certifications

01:23:10statements

01:23:11interviews

01:23:12I repeat too

01:23:13of members

01:23:14of today

01:23:15college

01:23:15expert

01:23:16interviews

01:23:17in which

01:23:17they reiterate

01:23:18that nothing

01:23:19the doctors

01:23:20they could do

01:23:22we wouldn't want to

01:23:24That

01:23:24the solution

01:23:26abnormal

01:23:27not shareable

01:23:28from us

01:23:29Obviously

01:23:29not shareable

01:23:30but

01:23:31strange at least

01:23:32be that one

01:23:33in the end

01:23:33to leave

01:23:34under investigation

01:23:34the only doctors

01:23:39I confirm

01:23:39what he said

01:23:40the colleague

01:23:41in full

01:23:42it seems to me

01:23:42still strange

01:23:43let it continue

01:23:44to hold

01:23:45under investigation

01:23:46the doctors

01:23:47I believe

01:23:48That

01:23:48should

01:23:49arrive

01:23:49the deposit

01:23:50of the aperitif

01:23:51as soon as possible

01:23:52at this point

01:23:53they shouldn't be

01:23:55not even take

01:23:56every day

01:23:57that have been

01:23:58granted

01:23:58for the extension

01:23:59a warehouse

01:24:01of an aperitif

01:24:01who sees

01:24:02a mess

01:24:03between that

01:24:04which is

01:24:04the relationship

01:24:05of the Maugeri

01:24:06and that

01:24:06that in some way

01:24:07he already anticipated us

01:24:08the doctor

01:24:09De Luca

01:24:09after the exam

01:24:11some slides

01:24:11should arrive

01:24:12coming soon

01:24:13I do not believe

01:24:14that it is

01:24:14particularly

01:24:16complicated

01:24:17and then

01:24:18from here

01:24:18we expect

01:24:19immediate archiving

01:24:20towards

01:24:20of the doctors

01:24:21if it were not so

01:24:22some suspicions

01:24:24some questions

01:24:25we should make it

01:24:26why lawyers

01:24:28they say

01:24:28if the ricin

01:24:30it wasn't possible

01:24:32know

01:24:33of the poisoning

01:24:34of ricin

01:24:35because then

01:24:36it's not in the protocols

01:24:37the analysis

01:24:38of ricin

01:24:38the doctors

01:24:39what do they have to do with it?

01:24:40In short

01:24:41somehow

01:24:41they are afraid

01:24:43that they become

01:24:43a goat

01:24:44expiatory

01:24:45if I understand correctly

01:24:46Anyway

01:24:46then I thank you

01:24:48Francis Paul

01:24:48Of the King

01:24:49and the lawyers

01:24:51of the doctors

01:24:51Albino Flower

01:24:52that have been

01:24:53with us

01:24:54it's a coincidence anyway

01:24:55Truly

01:24:56everything to follow

01:24:58everything to be written

01:24:59I thank them

01:25:00I wanted myself

01:25:00know

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