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00:00Not just JP and I have wanted to get this guy on the air again here on 92.3 The
00:04Fan
00:05for as long as he has been gone from, but I know Keith wants, like, we've all wanted
00:10this moment back because he's been such a huge part of not just the station, but of
00:15my career, being a mentor of mine well before I went to Charlotte, JP's career, and overall
00:22just being a hell of a guy.
00:23It is the return for the first time in about four and a half years, Adam the Bull.
00:29Hey!
00:31That was too nice, guys.
00:32You're making me blush here.
00:33Oh, no, you're a D.
00:34Yeah, see, that's what we do.
00:36Be mean.
00:36Be mean now.
00:37Oh, so.
00:38It's great to be back, and I want to say, you know, Keith and I, and you guys had told
00:43Keith you wanted to have me on, and, you know, I was texting you guys all the time while I
00:48was listening and busting you chops about this or that for, you know, probably about
00:51as long as you've been on.
00:53And so it's great to be back.
00:54It's weird to be back because I haven't been in the studio in four years, four and a half
00:58years, you're right.
00:59We've had changes.
01:00Yeah, there's been a lot.
01:01And meeting all these young guys that I hadn't met before, I feel really old, but you guys
01:05are doing great.
01:06I'm very proud of both of you.
01:08I love that you're doing this show.
01:10I love that I'm not doing this show.
01:13And thanks for having me, guys.
01:15It does mean a lot to be back on the station with you guys.
01:18It means a lot for us to have you back.
01:19It really does.
01:20And I don't want to speak for the audience, but I'll speak for the audience.
01:23I think it means a lot for them to have you back as well.
01:27I hope so.
01:28Although the fans are mad at me because...
01:31Well, because they missed...
01:33A percentage of the fan base is mad at me just because of the Shador stuff, because I'm
01:36not a believer in Shador.
01:38I certainly would start him, obviously.
01:40And I know we'll get into that.
01:41But like, I'm not a big Shador guy.
01:44I think he's...
01:45You know, I want to give him a chance, but...
01:47You know, with some in the fan base, you can't say anything even neutral on Shador and fans
01:52get mad at you.
01:53You're not a Shador hater, though.
01:54I'm not, but people think I am, Jonathan.
01:56You know I'm not.
01:57Which is weird, because the company you keep, it's all across the board.
02:00You have massive Shador fans and massive Shador and maybe people that are just kind of waiting
02:04to figure it all out and we don't really know.
02:06But you're...
02:07In an odd sense, the guy that never rides the fence, I feel like you more rode the fence on
02:11this one, no?
02:12Or like a let's see it play out mentality, maybe?
02:14To some degree, I'm not a big believer in Shador, but I haven't written them off.
02:20I'd like to see him play to find out for sure.
02:23I don't...
02:23He didn't play well last year, but it's obvious to acknowledge that it would have been hard
02:28for any quarterback or almost any quarterback to play well in this mess of a situation.
02:32So people, I think, you know, people sometimes misconstrue what you say and whatever.
02:36And it is what it is.
02:38I mean, it definitely works that way, right, Nick?
02:40Like where people, some days they're like, oh, you Shador apologist.
02:42And then the other day, they'll be like, you haters.
02:44What are you talking about?
02:46I know, it's strange.
02:46That's actually a good sign to think you're in the middle on Shador is when on any given
02:50day, you're either a homer or a hater from anybody.
02:53I just, I look at this and I go, the Browns put, the Browns really put themselves in a
02:58position that just defies logic with putting Deshaun against Shador.
03:04Like, I don't, how many people are 100% pro-Shador and how many are just anti-Deshaun?
03:10It doesn't matter because that's about 80% of people regardless.
03:13Yeah, I just, I just can't, I know that some people think this is a conspiracy theory or
03:19that Jimmy Haslam is, I don't know, I haven't been able to listen to you guys today.
03:23Obviously, I've listened to you a lot, but not today.
03:26And I don't know, do you guys think this was Jimmy Haslam forced?
03:29I do.
03:30I think it's Todd.
03:31Okay.
03:32So, and I also, by the way, the understanding that is attached to this is the idea that
03:37if Jimmy and Andrew Barry are like, all right, Todd, you make the decision, it could have
03:41come with the idea that when they filled out that questionnaire, remember that questionnaire
03:45so many, so many months ago for that coaching job?
03:47Yes.
03:47Maybe Todd Monk can fill it out the way they wanted to in the answers with Deshaun Watson.
03:51And so like they hired the coach that they liked because he filled out the right answers
03:54to the right way.
03:55And then they could present this like, oh, we're not getting in the way.
03:58You're not getting in the way because the guy you hired, you knew six months ago was
04:01wanting to play Deshaun Watson out of the game.
04:03Right.
04:03And, and I, I agree with you that he's been leaning towards Deshaun Watson for whatever
04:08reason.
04:08I can't figure it out.
04:10I just, I'm with Nick though.
04:11I don't buy that his hand was forced and I know fans are going to get mad.
04:16The only other thing that makes sense is he, but it doesn't make sense that he actually
04:21believes that Deshaun gives.
04:22Now, again, I don't think, I'm not convinced Shador gives him a great chance to win, but if
04:28I had to bet on anybody giving him a chance, I would bet on Shador, but at least there's
04:34potential there.
04:35I just see no potential.
04:37But on the other hand, Jonathan, I don't see people keep saying, oh, they're paying him
04:4250 million.
04:42I don't think, you think the Haslam's care whether he plays or not because of the money
04:45at this point?
04:46That money's spent.
04:47Exactly.
04:47He doesn't care about that side of it.
04:48I just, I'll even go back to what Jason Lloyd just told us the entire time, right?
04:52When did he start believing this Watson thing could be real?
04:54The owner's meeting.
04:55At the owner's meeting.
04:56At the owner's meeting.
04:57Yes.
04:57And it's like, well, all right.
04:59It's pretty early on to know that you already want to play the guy.
05:01I hear you.
05:02I still can't believe what he said Saturday that two days later they named him the starter.
05:06That's the most stunning thing to me.
05:07So here's the thing.
05:08Yeah.
05:08We probably should realize that they can do this because they have shown just absolute
05:14endless gall to just be able to do whatever the hell they wanted to in the first
05:17place.
05:18So I'm with you.
05:19Yeah.
05:19That I was like, no way they can do this.
05:20The Shador's got out of the bag.
05:22We're fine.
05:23And then today, as I was thinking about it, I'm like, we should have seen this one coming.
05:27They really have no regard for what anyone thinks about this.
05:31And they're so, so, so sad in the fact that they, their process, their decision-making
05:36is sound and flawless that they, not only could they possibly never make the wrong decision,
05:42but that their decisions will always work out despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.
05:47Yeah.
05:48And no evidence to, to back up that it'll work out.
05:51It is stunning, but you're right.
05:52I shouldn't, at this point, all these years in for all of us, we shouldn't be surprised
05:57by anything the Browns do.
05:59You can't be.
06:00If anything, if you, if you guide your compass towards the idea that they're going to do
06:02something that makes the fan base the most angry, you're going to be right 90% of the
06:06time.
06:06Yes.
06:06And by the way, all speaking of which, all the fans that are saying, I'm not going to
06:09watch, you're all going to watch.
06:12You're all going to, maybe 1%, maybe 1%, maybe you, there is no more diehard fan base than
06:20this one.
06:20And you know, I'm not saying that to kiss, you know what, that's just the way it is.
06:24Yeah.
06:25The fans of this team, I'm not just saying, cause it's way more than the Cavs and it's way
06:30more than the Guardians, as you guys know, but the, the, the, the fans will never quit
06:34this team and how can you, it's your heart, it's your love.
06:38So when people say to me, I'm going to just start rooting for this team.
06:41No, you're not.
06:41Yeah.
06:42Maybe you'd like to in theory, but you're not going to.
06:45I think that's the frustrating thing is I am backed into a corner.
06:48Cause I'll never say that.
06:49So basically you can spit in my face as many times as you want.
06:53And I'm just going to say, so about those PSLs, right?
06:56You know, like that is like the frustrating thing is it's like my counter is I'm going to
07:00watch them just in spite of you.
07:01Like exactly.
07:02This is not enriching yourselves.
07:04You're still doing quite fine for yourselves.
07:06This is not going to a movie where you're like, Oh, the movie stinks.
07:08I'm not, I'm going to walk out or no, you're going to watch.
07:11You love the Browns.
07:12There's nothing that can be done.
07:13Yeah.
07:13I keep seeing that restaurant analogy that just falls flat.
07:16It's like 20 years, same restaurant.
07:18At some point you're going to get agitated and say, I'm not eating here anymore.
07:20No, you're always going to eat there.
07:21That's your restaurant.
07:22That's what you grew up on.
07:24That's right.
07:24That's really any restaurant for me.
07:26Is that right?
07:28None of them are on the list of a block.
07:29Oh, all right.
07:30So I have boasted many times.
07:33I get very defensive when people say, yeah, you know what?
07:36You go to Taco Bell, you have a rumbly tumbly later that night.
07:39Yeah.
07:40Good luck enjoying the porcelain gods, right?
07:41Never happened to me, by the way.
07:42Never has.
07:44Not once.
07:44Yeah.
07:44Until Friday night.
07:46Oh, you threw up from Taco Bell?
07:47I did not throw up.
07:49But I did something else.
07:50And let me tell you, about 3 o'clock in the morning, I had some Baja blast, loved every
07:54second of it.
07:55I had a chicken quesadilla, loved every second of it.
07:57I did not love at 3 in the morning when I got up and had to run to the restroom.
08:02Yeah.
08:02And the whole time I was like, the mystique is over.
08:06What time did you eat it?
08:07I ate it about 9.30 at night.
08:10Yeah.
08:10I'm blaming other foods on this, by the way.
08:12If you got like a 25-year track record of Taco Bell not letting you down, I didn't eat
08:16any other food.
08:16I don't think it just randomly decided at 40 years old, Taco Bell was going to attack
08:19you.
08:20It's pot.
08:20I would disagree with that.
08:22Now, you're 40?
08:23Yeah.
08:23I'm a man.
08:24I'm 40.
08:24Yeah.
08:24That's right.
08:26It is possible.
08:27There are foods now.
08:29Well, there's some foods now that I can't eat because of my surgery.
08:32But there were foods even before surgery that as I got older, I couldn't eat.
08:37Like if I eat, like I love Genoa salami.
08:40Oh, yeah.
08:41It's one of my favorite foods.
08:42I always talk about it.
08:43But Brent, put on a little smooth jazz behind him there.
08:47Yeah, that's salami.
08:47Dom's looking at his phone.
08:48This is the you and Joe Thomas situation all over again.
08:50How is the Italian guy not listening to a conversation about Genoa salami?
08:55Yeah, where are you?
08:56I'm right here.
08:56Yeah.
08:57Hey, I heard salami.
08:58I was listening.
08:58What do you want me to do?
08:59Jump out of my seat.
09:00Oh, I'm not eating.
09:01I'm listening.
09:01But if I eat...
09:03If I eat more than like...
09:04Capicola, you mean.
09:06Capicola?
09:06I like Capicola.
09:08If I eat more than like two thin slices of salami, I'm done.
09:15Done.
09:15I'm a mess.
09:16Yeah, but that'd be a repeat performance though.
09:17I need like six more trips to Taco Bell before you can say Taco Bell is going south for you.
09:21It happened to me when I was younger, but as I got older, it started to happen.
09:24Yeah, but you consistently have that happen.
09:26This is one trip.
09:27Yes, that's true.
09:27That's fair.
09:28This is one trip.
09:29So you're not buying what he's selling on this.
09:30Six more trips south of the border, and then we can come back.
09:34I want you to spend an hour on a Friday night in the middle of real stomach pains on the
09:39turlet,
09:40and then you come back to me and be like, sign up for that six more times, and then let's
09:43talk.
09:43I think that's what we should...
09:44Yes.
09:45Once was enough, sir.
09:46Before I can definitively tell you, you've got to Taco Bell.
09:47But I think Jonathan's right.
09:48You have to do more test runs on this.
09:50So sample size?
09:50Yeah, that's right.
09:51Yeah, you have to eat...
09:52Who's the analytics guys now?
09:53You have to eat that same meal at the same time going forward at least a couple more times.
09:59This way we know, right?
10:01I just don't know.
10:01That was pretty awful, guys.
10:03That was top five moments in life experiencing that.
10:08Because, again, it broke my trust in a certain restaurant.
10:10Now, here's the question.
10:12What was your wife's take on...
10:14Was she sympathetic?
10:16Was she annoyed at you for getting Taco Bell?
10:18What was her reaction to the situation?
10:19Well, so interestingly enough, so we went to my kiddos game at Cleveland Heights, but we
10:24drove separately because she had to come up, and then my...
10:27Anyways.
10:27Yeah.
10:28So we drove separately home, and I got home, and I noticed she got Taco Bell.
10:33Oh.
10:34And we had a complaint off the next morning, because I was like, sick as a dog.
10:39Yeah.
10:39Thought I was going to go here.
10:41Went the other way.
10:42And she was like, yeah, my quesadilla was cold.
10:45And I was like, all right.
10:46All right.
10:47Who really got the bleep end of the stick here, so to speak?
10:50Well, I'm going to vote for her, because you at least got my food.
10:53That's true.
10:54I really enjoyed every second of that food.
10:56Except the end part of it.
10:57Yeah.
10:58The eating part, you had the advantage.
10:59Now, the aftermath was advantage to your wife.
11:02But what sport does your daughter play?
11:04So she's a band.
11:07That's what she plays.
11:08Oh, not a sport.
11:08Okay.
11:09Yeah, yeah.
11:12Just so unintentionally insulting.
11:14Oh, no.
11:15I didn't mean it.
11:16No, no, no.
11:16Oh, not a sport.
11:17Not a sport.
11:18Okay.
11:18Got it.
11:18Got it.
11:19Ah, she's a nerd.
11:20Yes, yes, yes, yes.
11:21All right.
11:21That's that way.
11:22All right.
11:22Yeah.
11:22Thanks.
11:23Oh, man.
11:25Do the little ones play?
11:27They, yes.
11:28Yeah.
11:28We had, they love every sport.
11:30Yeah.
11:31Big sister just likes softball.
11:34Okay.
11:34And then eventually, once she hit about six feet tall, she decided, I don't want to play
11:38catcher anymore at six feet tall.
11:39Yeah.
11:40But the twins, but again, she's like a writer.
11:42Yeah.
11:42A little poet.
11:43Yeah.
11:43The twins are gremlins.
11:45Okay.
11:46They are built for that.
11:47They're just the right kind of crazy for sports.
11:49Okay.
11:49That's good.
11:50You got to be a little crazy to play sports.
11:51Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:51I really do think that was the only thing with the big, the oldest kid is she just, she
11:56would rather like read a book or write poetry.
11:59Exactly.
11:59Yeah.
12:00You do need to have that like, I'm angry at something.
12:04I'm angry at something and would like to destroy you as a process.
12:06Right.
12:06Yeah.
12:07That has to be there.
12:07By the way, I, I coach baseball, which you guys know.
12:11And in the fall ball, I'm coaching a seventh grade team and an eighth grade team, right?
12:17On my eighth grade team, the old, there's one girl in the entire league.
12:20There's 215 kids in the league.
12:22One girl.
12:23She plays on my eighth grade team, even though she's only in seventh grade.
12:26She's playing up.
12:27She is the best catcher in the league.
12:30Oh, really?
12:31I mean, I believe it.
12:31Wait, you see the literally world series right now?
12:33Colby Rasmus is just like an absolute, she's awesome.
12:36This girl, her dad, she and her twin brother are both on my team.
12:39They're both really good.
12:40The dad played Chris.
12:42Shout out to Chris.
12:42He played division one ball at West Virginia, but she is, has a cannon behind the plate.
12:50I'm going to be curious to see where she goes as a base, as a ball.
12:53She plays softball and baseball during the regular season, but I'll be curious to see.
12:57Cause like, she's really good.
12:59Yeah.
12:59We talk about, uh, you have to be a little insane.
13:02Anyone who plays catcher.
13:04Yeah.
13:04I think it's naturally 15% more insane than the rest.
13:07It's like safety in football.
13:09Like there has to be a screw loose there in the best possible way.
13:11Yeah.
13:11I mean, those catchers, even at the youth levels, take a beating.
13:15Just kick the crap out of you.
13:16I do want your guardians thoughts, but I feel like you didn't get it all off your chest about
13:19Deshaun and the press conference.
13:20I'm just so frustrated.
13:22You know, you guys know how it is.
13:24Sometimes there's people who think I, because I'm a Bengals fan, I want the Browns to lose,
13:28which I, I, I get in theory why people would understand that.
13:31Cause it makes sense if I didn't do what I do, but you guys know this, like it's good
13:36for business, especially when I'm, you know, like when Shador Sanders won his first
13:40game, it was the most views I ever got on my podcast, my post game for that.
13:46So why would I, you know, people are always accusing me of doing things for clicks, which
13:49I don't, I know you guys don't either, but if I, if you believe I do things for clicks,
13:54then why would you think I would want the Browns to stink?
13:56That doesn't benefit me in any way.
13:58Yeah.
13:58It's really interesting how people think we're like, we do our best in any way when
14:04the team is crap, when it's like, no, go back and look at some of the numbers from the Baker
14:08years when, when, you know, or even 2023.
14:12Yeah.
14:12Those were the steak days.
14:14Yeah.
14:14More people calling in and being like, man, I really don't want to watch Browns football
14:17this year.
14:18How do you think that would equate to being anything good for us?
14:20It's crazy.
14:21But anyway, but it's just so disappointing.
14:24Like I got to give it, I'll give Andrew Perry credit to some degree.
14:27Like he drafted great in 24.
14:29We all know this.
14:30I'm sorry.
14:31In 25, it looks like this year's draft was good.
14:34I mean, until they play regular season games, we don't know for sure, but I think we're all
14:38excited about the wide receivers.
14:39I mean, it's the, when's the last time we've been excited about Browns wide receivers, but
14:42I am, but for the quarterback situation to be this big of a mess, it's, it's just inexcusable.
14:49So we talked about that earlier of, they never had to put Deshaun into this conversation.
14:55If this was Geno Smith versus Shador and Geno won the job, we, I don't think the reaction
15:02today would have been what it's been.
15:04I think it would have been, oh, okay.
15:05Well, they like Geno more than they do Shador.
15:07Deshaun was the one guy that was going to unite everybody and go anyone, but that stinking
15:12guy.
15:13And then it seems like they're surprised that people were this upset today.
15:17And certainly Saturday after he called out, I don't know, everybody in Cleveland.
15:21Yeah.
15:21And especially Saturday, because obviously in the game, and you don't want to get overboard
15:25on preseason, but we all saw it.
15:27Shador played pretty well.
15:28Right.
15:29And Deshaun was hideous.
15:31Yeah.
15:31But if he never said anything in the press conference afterwards, it wouldn't have been
15:33as bad.
15:34Wouldn't have mattered.
15:35It would have been a bad game.
15:36And it was what it was.
15:37I think it mattered.
15:38To me, it mattered a little bit, but the comments just pushed it way over the top.
15:43The comments ignited everything and every bit of it.
15:45Would it have been acceptable that he played that poorly against third stringers?
15:49No, we would have talked about that.
15:51But the idea that he went to the post game, yelled at the fans, yelled at everybody, had
15:54a lack of awareness on everything that he talked about.
15:57Yeah.
15:57But yeah, that was a problem.
15:59That's what ignited everything.
16:00And I know, you know, yeah.
16:02You shouldn't boo a guy when he's hurt, even if you don't like the guy.
16:05We all get that.
16:05But was it really that many people doing it?
16:07Also, it's booing.
16:09Yeah.
16:09Right.
16:10Like, the people in Cleveland have thrown bottles at people.
16:13Yeah.
16:13And people in Philly have thrown batteries at people.
16:16It's like, we obviously, you and I, all three of us have talked about people saying things
16:20from the crowd that are pretty unforgivable.
16:22Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:22Booing is not unforgivable.
16:24It's not that big a deal.
16:24And another thing, as much as we all loathe him, if he had played great, even the fans that
16:31disliked him when they first made the trade, 95% of fans would have come around.
16:36Even with all the off-the-field stuff, if he had played great football.
16:39Even if he had played good football.
16:41But he's been horrendous.
16:43I mean, I don't have to tell you guys.
16:45Well, that's what they're still holding out for, I think.
16:46And they're dumb to hold out for that, but that's what they're holding out for, is the
16:49idea that he'll still end up playing good football and he can rewrite all this.
16:51And Todd Monken, he puts himself behind the eight ball here.
16:56Yeah, yeah.
16:57Needlessly.
16:57Only way he wins is if Deshaun looks great, which looks like such a minuscule opportunity
17:01and chance of happening.
17:02Any other way you draw it up, he's going to look like the dumb one out of this.
17:05Do you know Deshaun as a Cleveland Brown?
17:08I just looked at this today.
17:10I was like, how many games, and these are not even high standards, how many games did
17:14he complete over 63% of his passes, throw for 225 yards, throw for two or more touchdowns
17:21and no turnovers?
17:22Like, that's a good game, but that's not an outrageous number.
17:25Twice?
17:25And no turnovers?
17:26Yeah.
17:27Did he do it in the Tennessee game?
17:28The Tennessee game was awesome.
17:30You got it.
17:30That's the only time.
17:31That's the only one, yeah.
17:31One.
17:32There was another game where he was very close.
17:34I think he had like 210 yards and two touchdowns.
17:38That's, and that's not that big a deal.
17:41Like, we're not, it's like when we talk about the Guardians not having a 20 home run hitting
17:47outfielder since Michael Brantley in 2014.
17:50It's like, I'm not asking for 40.
17:53I'm just looking for 20.
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