00:00Oh, we had to dust that thing off, didn't we?
00:02Is it overreaction?
00:03It's a preseason game.
00:05You don't have a quarterback.
00:06You're seeing people for the first time.
00:08For the first time.
00:11You know, you got a revamped offensive line.
00:13I wasn't disappointed either, Jeff, with the pre-snap play of the Browns.
00:21Like, I thought that it was going to be worse.
00:24There was one big penalty.
00:26There was a tripping call.
00:27Yeah, it was on Titus Howard.
00:29Yeah, that hurt a little.
00:30But for the most part, I wasn't.
00:32They recovered from it and scored.
00:33Yeah, and so I wasn't.
00:36That, to me, I thought would be a problem.
00:37That, I think, will be a problem at some point.
00:40And I just think it's natural.
00:43You can't ask five guys to go out there and play like they've been playing together for 20 years.
00:48They just haven't.
00:48Or 10 years.
00:49Or five years.
00:49Or three years.
00:50Or one.
00:52And I kind of think that's where they're at.
00:54At the end of the day, they ended up with, what did they end up with penalties?
00:57Five for 42.
00:58Only one in the second half.
01:00Yeah.
01:00So, I'll be honest.
01:02To me, that was a positive.
01:04Because I expected things to look much uglier from the penalty standpoint.
01:08Now, I don't know if the referees were just kind of letting some stuff go because it was a preseason
01:11game.
01:12And they know the coaches really, at the end of the day, really.
01:14I can't quit saying it at the end of the day.
01:17But the coaches are trying to evaluate.
01:21They're trying.
01:21No one's really, you know.
01:23You'd have to do something super egregious, I think, in some situations to maybe get a flag.
01:28You might get that flag during the regular season.
01:30I think in preseason, I think the referees are a little bit more lenient in some ways.
01:36I don't know if it depends or not.
01:39But to me, Jeff, that was kind of a win at the end because I said, I knew that before
01:44the game I wanted to look and go, okay, what are they going to look like pre-snap?
01:48Because this has been a major problem during camp.
01:52And I don't think it was – I wasn't affected by it.
01:55So that means it's a win.
01:57I don't want to downplay anything that anybody might have seen.
02:00But keep in mind, Munkin's never been a head coach in the NFL.
02:05I think we keep forgetting that.
02:06There's no – well, I don't mean it from maybe that standpoint.
02:09I mean it from this standpoint.
02:11He's going to be so vanilla with what they have in the preseason.
02:14It's going to be silly.
02:16Why give Jacksonville something to study that they might see in the opener?
02:21Yeah, I can't imagine they're going to come out with three straight runs.
02:26I don't mind that.
02:27You know why?
02:28It had been almost two years since Deshaun Watson had been on a football field.
02:32Just get him out there and let him snap the ball a little bit.
02:35Honestly, nothing – I firmly believe this.
02:40I can't imagine anything in the preseason – in these preseason games is going to be the deciding factor in
02:48who starts at quarterback.
02:49And Munkin made a comment yesterday in his press conference that I found interesting where he talked about that it
02:58would be only – it's only fair that Deshaun – excuse me, that Shadour get a chance this week.
03:07And I thought, well, first of all, what's fair about pro sports?
03:12And then second of all, I thought, why is it – why would it be fair that he gets a
03:16chance?
03:17Just the way it kind of came off – and maybe we can hear that – the way it came
03:21off to me was just that it seemed like he's picked Deshaun in my head.
03:29And, well, it's only fair that it gives Shadour a chance.
03:34So, I – that's just interpretation on my part.
03:37I could quite possibly be wrong.
03:39But it was weird to me, just the way it kind of sounded.
03:43Yeah, I don't know.
03:44Did you happen to catch – we'll play that count when we get a chance.
03:47Did you happen to catch the end of the pregame show?
03:50The very last – Andrew – so, at the end of the pregame show –
03:53He did not.
03:54There's a thing – it's the final word from the head coach.
03:57And, you know, obviously, it's been every head coach that we've had.
04:01So, Todd finally had his first chance, you know, to kind of have the last word before the game.
04:07And, Jeff, I don't ever remember hearing a coach get this emotional, especially during a preseason game.
04:15The bite was this.
04:16Andrew said, hey, you know, you're a guy from Chicago.
04:20And now you've got a chance to be the head coach.
04:25And, you know, what does that mean to you?
04:27And especially here in Chicago, where you're from.
04:30And, Jeff, this is – I mean, you and I, you know, we listen to soundbites our whole life.
04:34This is one of the best soundbites I've ever heard.
04:36Where Todd said, Todd said, you know, we were coming into Chicago and we were getting ready to land.
04:45And the plane banked, as it always does in Chicago, right?
04:48There's very few smooth landings in Chicago, especially – and so he said, the plane banked.
04:57And then I looked out the window and there was Bob Bunkinfield, named after his dad, at Lake Park High
05:03School.
05:04And he goes – and then he – like, there's no way he wasn't crying.
05:09He was so choked up before the game.
05:13And I got – like, to me, I really, like – I wasn't sure when they hired Todd.
05:20And, you know, you bring up this thing about saying what's fair for Deshaun to give him a chance.
05:25And then to hear him say that – and I know a lot of you guys are like, ah, who
05:29cares what he can do.
05:30I'm telling you, they're just – there are so many times that we listen and people just – it's just
05:36verbal diarrhea, guys.
05:38Like, I got to tell you, Todd Munkin –
05:40Oh, that's an interesting visual.
05:42A lot of times, that's what we hear, right, in soundbites, in press conferences.
05:47I know Dan will agree with me on that.
05:49Right?
05:50Right?
05:51I mean, we hear that a lot.
05:53Yeah, Andy, we've been really impressed with how our guys have been able to go out there and execute what
05:58is necessary of our coaches and our players.
06:01And that's in Atlanta now, right?
06:03Yeah, that was Kevigan.
06:04I got to tell you, when Todd said that at the end, right before the game on Saturday, I was
06:10like, wow.
06:11I'm like, this guy's real.
06:14Wow.
06:14You guys laugh at me with a –
06:16He's real.
06:17No, don't belittle this.
06:18Kevin was not real.
06:19Don't belittle this.
06:21Like, you know what I'm saying when it comes to coaches and, like, the makeup of Browns fans and the
06:28fact that Browns fans continue to go to the stadium,
06:31despite the fact that we haven't seen winning, despite the fact that, you know, these teams have been horrible.
06:36And, like, you know what Browns fans truly want.
06:39And they want to win.
06:40And they want to be able to go to that stadium and say, we're here for a playoff game.
06:44And we've got a chance to make the playoffs.
06:46And we've got all of this great history, where we're from, that has just been laid out and it's dead.
06:54We want it to come back to life.
06:56And I don't know.
06:57There was just something about the way Todd said that at the end of the pregame show that kind of
07:02just caught my ear
07:03and made me understand maybe what Todd's all about as a person and as a man.
07:08Because I think we want to know them.
07:10I think we've always wanted to know that.
07:11You grow up in Cleveland, you want to know those guys.
07:15You want to feel like you have a personal connection.
07:17And, man, if you go back and listen to the end of that pregame show on Saturday,
07:20you would have that personal connection.
07:22And I know sometimes you get on me because I look at things a little bit different,
07:27especially when it comes to having a connection, actually caring about our community,
07:31wanting to be a part of our community.
07:33And at the end of the day, it's always, well, it's a business.
07:36It's not always a business.
07:37And Munkin's a guy that probably thought he was never going to get a chance to be a head coach
07:41in the NFL.
07:42He finally got it here in Cleveland.
07:43And it was just something about that moment when he was talking about flying over that field
07:47where the field is named for his dad.
07:50And it's just like, oh, it's why we love the passion and the emotion of sports.
07:57Now I'm going to go back to what you were saying.
07:59So just tee that back up because we've got that bite.
08:03Todd, speaking yesterday, said something about Shadour and the quarterback fight
08:07that I thought was interesting, open to interpretation maybe.
08:12I did feel going into last game that it was relatively close, you know,
08:18in terms of both having an opportunity at the starting position.
08:21So it would be unfair to not go into the next game and allow Shadour that opportunity,
08:27albeit a different team, certainly at home.
08:30There's no guarantee that, you know, the same players will be playing this game,
08:34but it's the closest you have.
08:36And we owe it to both players who have really handled it well
08:40and have competed at a high level.
08:43We owe it to them.
08:45Really?
08:45Yeah, no, I heard it.
08:46It's in the beginning.
08:47Really?
08:47Yeah.
08:48Yeah.
08:49It's in the beginning of the bite, Rick.
08:50It kind of makes it sound like...
08:52It wouldn't be fair if...
08:53And I just thought, really?
08:58Again, I'm convinced that being an offensive-minded coach,
09:06he knew three months ago who he wanted to start a quarterback.
09:12He just needs to maybe see it on the field a little bit.
09:14Make sure that guy doesn't disappoint him down the stretch.
09:17I just think the only problem I have with it is, man,
09:21you're kicking this thing so far down the road,
09:23we saw the offense not look good, you know, all the way around.
09:26The only time the offense actually looked good
09:28was when Deshaun led a couple of scoring drives.
09:31And I'm not even giving Deshaun credit for that.
09:33I'm giving it to the whole Browns offense.
09:36You know, when the starting offensive line was out there,
09:39they put up three points.
09:40Next bunch of guys, they put up a touchdown drive.
09:43Okay.
09:45It just...
09:46There's nothing fair about pro sports.
09:48And the fact that he even said it, it wouldn't be fair.
09:51I thought, wow.
09:53Okay.
09:54Didn't it sound almost like he was the underdog in this?
09:56Shador is.
09:57Yeah.
09:57Yes.
09:58Yeah, that's the way it came off to me.
10:00But truthfully, shouldn't he be?
10:03Be what, the underdog?
10:04Yeah.
10:05Yeah.
10:05Based on experience in the league.
10:07You would certainly think so.
10:09Let me throw this one at you.
10:11Just based on this conversation that we're having right now,
10:13do you think the job came with Deshaun as the starting quarterback for Todd?
10:19You mean Todd had the, hey, we want you to start this guy?
10:22Yeah.
10:22No.
10:23No.
10:25You think return on investment a lot more than I do.
10:29And you could be absolutely right.
10:32I think more than anything, it's like,
10:35if he can uncover anything of what he had in Houston,
10:38he might be the better guy right now.
10:41And if I'm Todd Munkin,
10:43I'm going to play the guy that gives me the best chance to win.
10:46Because if you're an experienced coach
10:52who is finally getting your NFL chance,
10:56you're going to bank on ownership.
10:59You're going to bank on the general manager saying,
11:02oh, it's okay.
11:03We're planning for the future.
11:06And we want to see things.
11:08And, you know, it's more about development.
11:10You going to bank on that?
11:13I'm not banking on that.
11:14If I'm Todd, I'm thinking, I've got to go win some damn games.
11:20I think, though, that if you were in Munkin's spot
11:23and they said to you, hey,
11:26the job comes with Deshaun as a starter in the beginning of the season,
11:28at least,
11:30and you've got finally the opportunity.
11:32You think that was said?
11:33No, I actually don't think that's anything.
11:36I hope it wasn't said.
11:38How's that sound?
11:39Well, I don't think it was.
11:40I hope it was.
11:41That's not said.
11:41I hope not to.
11:42But you'd be a fool not to think, okay,
11:45that could be a possibility.
11:47Knowing, again,
11:48and I know you don't want to talk about return on investment,
11:50but, I mean, plenty of first round picks.
11:52There might be some validity to that.
11:53I just think, you know,
11:55I think Todd has to start the guy that he thinks gives him the best chance
11:59to win some football games because we all know, you know,
12:02coaching is not the most stable profession.
12:06You can look at the guys that the Haslam's fired after one year.
12:10Heck, is it Chud and Freddie?
12:13Who else?
12:14I'd have to go back and even look, make sure there aren't any more.
12:17That we're here for like five minutes?
12:19Well, we had a, yeah.
12:22Oh, we're forgetting our favorite guest.
12:25Yeah, Greg Williams.
12:26Well, Greg was interim.
12:28But he had a winning record.
12:31It's true.
12:32Let's not keep him around.
12:33All right, I know we get.
12:35True, it made too much sense.
12:36Wait a minute, he coached us to more wins than losses?
12:39Let's get somebody else.
12:40But I do see some of that in Todd.
12:42Like, I see that.
12:43Yeah.
12:44Yeah, there's a similarity there.
12:46Yeah.
12:46Which I'm okay with.
12:47I like it.
12:48Nothing wrong with it.
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