00:00in like the highest level theory the browns are not wrong that if you just win people will accept
00:07almost anything off the field and it can make the most unlikable guy likable that is true but i think
00:15we've gone so far down the deshaun rabbit hole there has to be like a threshold he's got a clear
00:21where all of a sudden he goes from bleep that guy and boom every time we see him to
00:28all right i'm not going to boo this time but i still don't like you also in every instance you're
00:31going to describe about uh fans coming over to the good side it's because they played good football
00:36and and they did it for a long period of time like like big ben always gets brought up in
00:40these
00:40type of discussions it's 100 true steelers fans got on board with big ben and they basically just
00:45pushed everything else to the side we all still made jokes but they just kind of pushed everything
00:48to the side and yes that can happen in sports i don't think it can happen that quickly for deshaun
00:53watson at this point i agree and by the way the the big ben had some some like currency with
00:58steelers fans because he won the super bowl before all the nonsense started right right we've never
01:04had like i think that's what maybe people are missing who are like defending booing deshaun which
01:08again continues to be the most ridiculous thing like people that tweet we live in a soft society
01:14are being like why would you boo that's so mean like i'm sorry i'm sorry i don't think we i
01:21don't
01:21think we have the same definition of mean but uh i there's just no currency there to play with
01:27so you have to back load the success for deshaun and i i really don't think it's going to happen
01:33in
01:33the first two weeks of the season i i do think beating baker mayfield week two begins to kind of
01:39give people if if again you outplay baker you outplay baker and the browns win yeah that is a good
01:46optics win for i think most fans but i think the bare minimum for deshaun with me is going to
01:52go
01:52a hell of a lot longer than it is with average fans i think the average fan if you go
01:56four and oh
01:56and deshaun is a 90 passer rating or better quarterback i think you're going to see a lot
02:02of people starting to wear watson jerseys again in town but i think that's why the browns are
02:06continuing with what they want with deshaun watson starting i think they understand that right there
02:09if he goes four and oh and starts off and he's part of the reason why they're winning
02:13it's not just everybody else making plays and them just kind of existing fans are going to come
02:17aboard they are and it's there's going to be people like me and people like you that aren't
02:21going to be satisfied alone with that but there's going to be more than enough that will be but i
02:25think the problem is i just mentioned the very extreme which is i could not tell you the last time
02:32deshaun watson won four straight games in cleveland while also having a 90 passer rating or better oh wait
02:37he hasn't like not since tennessee or not since texas has that happened and why that matters is
02:43it's more likely through four games they're going to be probably two and two or two and three or three
02:49and two and his numbers are going to look like what they've looked like and i don't think they're
02:53prepared for the fact that like i don't think that's enough i don't think the middle ground which
02:58a lot of fans including myself at points have accepted from deshaun and said we're building to
03:03something i don't think they realize how truly high the the bare minimum is to get a majority of
03:12people here to stop booing the hell out of the show yeah i mean uh it won't the average the
03:16middle
03:16won't be good enough for a lot of people as it shouldn't be now again this is this is his
03:20own
03:20doing and this is the previous four years of play but this is also what he did in the press
03:24conference
03:24on saturday when he outwardly tells the fans i don't i don't like you i don't i don't like what
03:30you've done i don't like anything that uh that you guys have shown me which is again trying to
03:34make yourself the victim and this is wild but yeah fans aren't going to come around and be like oh
03:38no we love you deshaun it's not going to happen what is the bare minimum of accomplishments that
03:43deshaun has to to pull off to be right our first sorry for the browns to be right and i
03:49think that's
03:50a much longer thing like i do think there's a chance that if deshaun has uh three or four passable
03:56games and you're three and one in your first four games i think your buddy jeffrey is going to call
04:00back and and and try and give you the old what for i'm waiting for you business hey jeffrey i'm
04:04waiting i'm like omar in the wire right now i'm just playing farmer in the dell waiting for you but
04:08i have no doubt that the second the browns think that they can do the uh the hey hey uh
04:15national
04:16media member let everyone know how right we are i have no doubt they're going to try and pull that
04:20rip
04:20cord as quickly as humanly possible but for people to actually receive it and actually be
04:26like well i guess the browns were right we're talking that they're we're talking playoff football
04:31in december deshaun's healthy playoff and deshaun is as good as he's ever looked in cleveland which
04:36by the way is still below what he looked like in houston and we're talking about the bare minimum we're
04:40not even talking about uh hey he's exceeded everything and all these expectations no no no the
04:44bare minimum at this point for deshaun for for browns fans to say you know what jimmy haslam and
04:49you guys nailed it you guys were right you guys saw this when nobody else did it's gonna take a
04:55playoff appearance and again minimum playoff appearance healthy for all 17 games and looking
04:59really good in the process and i don't think that's i don't think he's capable of that what is the
05:02minimum accomplishment uh that that needs to happen with and because of deshaun for the browns to be
05:08right and to be proved right well mary kate cabot was on this station earlier today and talked about
05:14the football reasons why deshaun watson is starting again in cleveland todd munkin is
05:19going out and trying to win in jacksonville on september 13th this was a football decision
05:25now it's not only things that we see out here on the football field it's things that they do in
05:30the
05:30classroom and it's the game planning that they want to do that nobody has seen anything of yet
05:36they believe that they can use deshaun watson's mobility in that game and they can use cadence as a
05:42weapon in that game and there's just a lot of things that he's going to be ready to do on
05:47september
05:4713th that they don't feel shador is ready to do yet and that's the whole key to this this is
05:52a
05:53football decision through and through todd munkin is not going to do anything else other than go out
05:59and try to win that game and he believes in his heart of hearts that deshaun will give him that
06:05better chance so you better win week one yeah i thought it was interesting that she highlighted
06:11mobility something that shador obviously displayed in the saturday game if not for the zach zinner penalty
06:16we'd still be talking about that play and then the uh the cadence one thing the the broadcast was
06:22highlighting and kept going back to to the point of also almost being nauseating about it was the
06:27uh the third and 13 play that then uh because of the cadence and shador actually getting the free
06:33play off of it it moved it to third and eight but like shador had a free play on that
06:37on that sequence
06:38because because of the cadence because he was able to basically disrupt what the defense was going to do
06:43and he he did that nobody else did that he did that and i just think it's interesting
06:46the two things that that mary k brought up are two things that we saw shador excel at on saturday
06:51either i listen i think the browns came up with some really bunk reasons to start deshaun watson over
06:59shador sanders and that doesn't mean by the way that i'm saying shador got jobbed i'm just saying it's
07:05clear that this was the outcome todd munkin wanted and when we say experience or hey things that nobody else
07:11really sees because they're not in the building that seems a lot like smoke and mirrors and again
07:16i'm a trust in todd man i'm not a trust in todd man unequivocally and i think that's what the
07:21browns are asking for that's what todd munkin is asking for and no you have to prove it like you
07:27do
07:27you you this is there are there's one flyer you don't get in the honeymoon is brown's head coach
07:32and it's planned that jabroni again especially after saturday distrust in todd doesn't have the
07:38same ring to it it doesn't it doesn't well dit yeah a little dit yeah about todd and deshaun
07:46yeah all right it is it is funny how uh you can if you want to it's kind of like
07:50how you know what's
07:51he doing to that chili dog i can come up with basically any number i want to if i if
07:54i'm really
07:55trying to make a stat pop i can i can find a number to support that and i can make
07:59i can bend it
07:59that way that's that pop it's the same thing with this with these quarterback races though like if you
08:04want to you can come up with any reason and and there's just because they're they deal with like
08:0937 different things on any given play and and what we judge these quarterbacks off of i can come up
08:15with a couple reasons if you really want to sell me on deshaun watson but it feels like that's all
08:18they're doing here they're coming up with a couple things out of 50 that they think is worthwhile enough
08:22now i don't know that anyone said this on the station so i want to be i'm very i'm fully
08:28talked about
08:28this one well did he i think i think i get to be first on the moon on this one
08:33i'm going to tell
08:33you i said this like two days ago i know it you haven't even said it yet and i'm going
08:36to say this
08:37okay why are we self-defeating here all right this is a little let's keep this a little kevin
08:41stefanski to any quarterback that's been here the last four years even worse uh phelps said it two days
08:46ago how about that okay we don't have to be hateful there we go um week one just became a
08:51must win
08:51okay come on now all right i hate tell me no tell me you tell me i'm wrong that week
08:57one
08:57hate when you do this week what's a must win you're seven and a half point underdogs who gives
09:01a rat's ass you just started a guy that nobody in cleveland wants to start but isn't isn't if
09:07you're giving someone a two-week leash isn't the obvious response that yes week one is going to be
09:11a must win if you're i don't think it's obvious if you're on a two-week leash isn't that just
09:14the
09:14no no because then we if you lose week one week two really becomes a must win it becomes a
09:22must
09:22must win is it a must win or is it a can't lose uh i think that's clear eyes
09:27clear hearts can't lose i think that's something different oh okay no like seriously uh you've
09:32said deshaun gives you the best chance to win uh go win buckaroo you want me to trust in todd
09:37again
09:38you want me to you want me to grasp at that yeah right you want to you want a little
09:41honka honka
09:42i win that damn game you see the stat that's going around that uh deshaun watson is seven and oh
09:46in his career against jacksonville see see all the stats are saying gotta get that date you should
09:52except the history of dominating jacksonville all stats are saying the brown should beat the
09:58the jacksonville jaguars with those ridiculous uniforms that i don't even know what the hell
10:02they're doing with those they they should beat them week one do that todd starting to trust you again
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