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Willard and Dibs join Guru and Evan (in for Steiny) on a Wednesday edition of the Crossover. The guys react to Ricky Pearsall's knee issue, react to new information about the Warriors' pursuit of Jaylen Brown, and more.
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00:00Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7 The Game.
00:04All right, it is time for the crossover brought to you by Bay Alarm.
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00:11Getting zip for Steinmetz, Joe the Guru Johnson, Dan Dibley, Mark Willard.
00:15What's up, fellas?
00:16Happy Hump Day.
00:17Happy Hump Day.
00:18Oh, yeah, it is Hump Day, isn't it?
00:20Hump Day.
00:21I hate Wednesdays.
00:22Life with dibs is so great.
00:23The week just flies by.
00:25When you're coming off vacation, yesterday you were laughing so hard.
00:28You're like, oh, my God, is this Friday?
00:30Because when we left, y'all were sparring when we left.
00:33And we were sparring.
00:34I called it Ali Frazier.
00:35No, and we're going to leave that alone because it's one of those things where Pacquiao,
00:41whether it's in a month.
00:43I mean, possibly.
00:45My phone was blowing up like they're fine.
00:49Of course we're fine.
00:50They're fine.
00:51But, I mean, it's what we do.
00:53We had a difference of opinion on something that is, you know, like mutually doubly unprovable.
00:59And so, what do you do?
01:01You know, it's funny, but like, quick aside, if I may, I love that people check in on you
01:06whenever that happens on our radio station.
01:09It can be any two of us.
01:10And they're like, are they okay?
01:12Oh, I've had it for them.
01:12And my thing is, the people that I'm actually closest with in my life, that's what we do.
01:19No doubt.
01:20Like, if you don't spar with someone, I'm sort of like, you're kind of at arm's length.
01:25Yeah, no doubt.
01:26You're not really my people if we don't spar.
01:28And I've kind of learned that, like, because, you know, I definitely wear things on my sleeve.
01:33And he and I have had two or three where, like, the mics go off and it's like, you know,
01:39don't do that.
01:40Or I say, don't do that.
01:41And I remember you and I and Stiney, we did our 51 week.
01:45We did 50 weeks remote.
01:47We did one week together.
01:48And every day we'd do a conference call.
01:50Look, look, look.
01:51I need you on the call.
01:53And at least two times, if not three, you and or Stiney, like, came straight down my road.
01:59One time with you and I.
02:00One time.
02:01It was one.
02:02Whatever it was.
02:04And, I mean, I'll take the hell on all of them.
02:07And famously.
02:07I've heard a couple of different sides of this story.
02:10There are multiple sides.
02:12I know there are.
02:12When you do shows remotely, it turns out there can be fights happening that you don't even know about.
02:17There can be.
02:17And the famous one for me is Joe Fortenbaugh, where he was doing this whole buildup for, like, you know,
02:23post-Super Bowl.
02:24And he was doing, like, this whole joke set up.
02:26And he's not known for humor.
02:28And the punchline was going to be Gary Woodland, who had just won the waste management.
02:34And as he's building it up, I'm like, oh, yeah, it's Gary Woodland.
02:37And he looks at me, and he's like, okay.
02:40And we go to break, and your boy.
02:42Oh, so this is real.
02:43Oh, this is real.
02:44So the mics go off, and your boy got absolutely eviscerated.
02:49It was an evisceration sensation is what it was, Ken.
02:52I don't know if Ken's paying attention.
02:54He's probably not.
02:55He's locked in on higher or lower.
02:58I got other things to do.
02:59Yeah.
03:00Wow.
03:00Such as?
03:01Point at the TV.
03:02Well, there's been some problems today.
03:03Yeah, Ken, I didn't catch what was going on, but it seems like Ken and Evan are...
03:07They had something going on.
03:09They're clawing at each other.
03:10They've been coming out on the road all damn day.
03:13I don't know, Ken.
03:14Evan tapped into a Stiney stomach.
03:17Not a mistake, but, you know.
03:18Ken, are you in a mood?
03:19Are you in a mood?
03:20Are you good?
03:21He's fine.
03:21He's fine.
03:21No, I'm just working on it.
03:22He opened up to me.
03:23Tell him.
03:23Yeah.
03:23No, I don't know.
03:24Yeah.
03:25I don't know.
03:25He's a little cat.
03:26They're clawing at each other.
03:27Evan had a couple of Stiney moments.
03:29Screw that guy.
03:30I mean, he got in my ear and told, you know, not told him.
03:33I was honest.
03:34I was vulnerable.
03:35I said that I have plantar fasciitis.
03:37These guys have been giving me crap all day for it.
03:39No, I just said he's too young to have that.
03:41Listen, when you got a bunch of people who've had their 50th birthday and the 30-year-old
03:45is hurt, that's fun for us.
03:47I don't care if you're mad.
03:49I'm relishing that.
03:50That's fun for us.
03:51I love watching the 30-year-olds limp around.
03:54And I'm like, damn.
03:55It's like a 10-year-old birthday party.
03:57I'm the six-year-old in the ball pit just getting absolute.
03:59Oh, he pounced on.
04:00No, and normally I'm that guy, but like plantar fascia knows no age.
04:05Like arthritis, yeah.
04:07Like your discs are like falling onto each other.
04:10Yes, you're old.
04:11And like osteoporosis, yes, you're old.
04:14Plantar fascia doesn't give a chuck about how old you are.
04:20You can get it.
04:21Like plantar fascia is just plantar fascia.
04:23So it sounds like I'm going to be Tony Romo in a couple of years trying to stretch out
04:27before a potential...
04:28You might be.
04:29It's like, call the dogs off of here.
04:32I know what he did was, dad, you cannot operate a vehicle driving.
04:37But what we're watching, I said Star Wars 2.
04:40They're playing the whole...
04:42That was really good.
04:44That's my grandma and grandma.
04:44A word of advice for all people.
04:46If you ever get locked up in a roadside sorority test, don't ask, did I pass?
04:53He was one of my calisthenics with this.
04:56So funny.
04:57It's not a good...
04:57It's not a good...
04:58That actually wasn't roadside.
05:01That was actually...
05:02Oh, whatever.
05:02I mean, behind closed doors because he refused.
05:04But the one thing that I thought of...
05:06Did I pass?
05:08Right.
05:08No, you didn't pass.
05:09No, you didn't pass.
05:10And that's like going to the Algebra 2 teacher and shout out Mr. O'Sullivan, who...
05:15I mean, he's got to be gone by now.
05:17He was 48 then, and that was 40 years ago.
05:20But you walk up to him and like office hours, did I pass?
05:24Well, did I pass is not, did I get a perfect score?
05:28It's, did I get a C minus?
05:29I thought the funny part was there was a six-minute video of him in the car,
05:33and then there's like a scene change because it goes to a different place
05:36or he actually starts getting ready like he's going to do the combine
05:39and run a 40-yard dash because he's doing a downward dog.
05:43He's stretching out the L1, L2, L3.
05:45Oh, yeah.
05:46And then they're asking him about concussions, and he kind of coyly smiled.
05:50Well, I've been there before, done that.
05:52I don't know if you know who I am.
05:53And I'm just wondering this whole time, like, is this a movie
05:55that they have just put together after apparently a golf outing
05:58when you went to go see Grandma and Grandpa?
06:00I mean, there are edits.
06:01I've never seen a police video where it was edited by the time that we got to do it.
06:06You think he's in trouble with CBS?
06:06I was reading where they were already kind of unhappy for just regular stuff
06:11and, like, this could be the one to where, I mean, we all make mistakes,
06:14but I am curious.
06:15If he's in trouble, it is because they already wanted to move on.
06:18Yeah, that's what we were talking about here.
06:20All right.
06:21No doubt.
06:21What about Pearsall?
06:22Was he, like, impaired?
06:24Tony Romo?
06:26We don't know?
06:27No, I can look.
06:28Like, Evan was like, oh, so funny.
06:29He didn't breathalyze.
06:30That's the implication.
06:32And he did not pass the test.
06:33Look at his face.
06:34Right.
06:35Right.
06:35He looks so, I've never seen so much, he looks so happy.
06:39I've never seen so much as he's like, what are we going to do?
06:43Evan, you got to call your lawyer, dude.
06:45I think you guys are right.
06:46He's like, I'm going to go see Grandma and Grandpa.
06:47But who calls them Grandma and Grandma?
06:50Like, you just pulled that out of his pocket.
06:53How old is Tony Romo?
06:54Mama, where did you get Grandma?
06:56Right.
06:56Like, what?
06:57Yeah.
06:58He would have put up some numbers on the backboard.
07:01There we go.
07:02There we go, dude.
07:03I mean, bottom line, though, like, in that moment, you don't get to call your lawyer.
07:07You don't get to call your lawyer until you are actually arrested.
07:11Then you call your lawyer.
07:12So when you say, like, roadside, can I call my lawyer?
07:15No, you don't get to call anybody.
07:16Oh, I thought she was doing too much.
07:19I thought you could find a friend.
07:20No, you get pulled over, and you don't get to, like, hold on, ma'am.
07:23I'm going to make a couple of calls here.
07:25No, you got pulled over, and we're going to go through the things,
07:29and either you submit to a roadside test or you don't,
07:33and then based on that, I'm going to make my choice, and then we go back.
07:37And then if you're arrested, then you get to actually call your lawyer.
07:40But I was fascinated by the fact that that body cam footage came out within five days.
07:46Man.
07:47As opposed to 11?
07:48I mean, or 14?
07:50Those are your words, not mine.
07:51I mean, I can't let you do it.
07:52No, we're talking about two different cities.
07:54Accident and DUI.
07:55It's fascinating.
07:56Yes, that's a roadside sobriety test.
07:59As opposed to a head-on accident.
08:01Correct.
08:01Tire's got bigger issues than Al Shanahan right now.
08:04I'm not doing this.
08:05They got bigger issues.
08:07What about Pierce?
08:08Are you concerned?
08:09I am.
08:10I already was.
08:11Oof.
08:12How can you not be?
08:13He said, I already was.
08:14And that's his guy, too.
08:15I love him.
08:16I think he's a phenomenal player.
08:17But, like, you got to stay healthy.
08:19I mean, this is a familiar story.
08:21This happens with a lot of players.
08:24If you go back through the years, players that are good.
08:27So, he had a procedure, not surgery.
08:29Remember, who was our guy that he played for the Chargers, the defensive back,
08:33and he came to the Niners twice?
08:35Verrett.
08:36Jason Verrett.
08:37Shout out Antioch.
08:39415 torn ACLs.
08:40Fairfield.
08:41Great.
08:41I thought it was Antioch.
08:42I could be wrong.
08:43He was a baller.
08:43He was a baller.
08:44But he couldn't shake it.
08:45He just couldn't get his legs to hang in there.
08:48He had a lot of knee surgery.
08:50Oh, my God.
08:50So, it happens.
08:51Fairfield, apologies.
08:52Yeah, so, I don't, you know.
08:54I mean, right now, it's just swelling.
08:56But, sure, this is a huge year for him.
08:59Huge year for him.
09:01Do you think that's why Stribling was drafted?
09:03They might have been less confident in him bouncing back?
09:05I think they're different positions as far as how they see their future.
09:09Stribling is, you know, we had a good conversation this week with Lombardi
09:12about Stribling kind of maybe lining up to play the big slot early on this year,
09:18especially if Christian Kirk is going to have injury problems.
09:21How hammy.
09:22But Stribling is kind of drafted to be the future of what Mike Evans is going to be now.
09:28Pearsall is going to be on the other side.
09:30When he plays, he can play, man.
09:32That's what they want him.
09:33That's what they want him to do.
09:34But, yeah, you got to be on the field.
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09:45Well, in reaction to that, there were a lot of people who called in today
09:47and texted in that are wondering what the Niners can do about it.
09:52And maybe – I feel like we were kind of on the same page, Goo,
09:55but Debo Samuel's name came up, who is obviously a free agent.
09:59And I realize that he's not bad, but it just – like, it wasn't a good place
10:05where he and the Niners left two years ago.
10:08He wasn't awful last season, but didn't do a ton of Washington.
10:12Like, to me, I would rather see what you got with some other guys around him.
10:16And if you're going to go get Debo, like, why did you go get Mike Evans
10:20and Christian Kirk?
10:21It seems like a step in the wrong direction for me.
10:24And you got DeMarcus Robinson's deal.
10:25Yeah, I think you have a decent amount of receivers that are better options than Debo.
10:30And what does Debo have left?
10:31And we don't really know that, but, yeah, you mentioned you had, you know,
10:35drafted guys.
10:36Like, how about Cowing?
10:37Can we get Cowing healthy and see if he's actually going to be somebody
10:40who can be a wide receiver?
10:41And I don't believe that the whole idea of, like, Debo,
10:44oh, you're a running back again.
10:46You're a wide back.
10:46We're going to throw you back there.
10:48They have two running backs who are competing to be Christian McCaffrey's backup.
10:51And so if you wanted a receiver to come in because Ricky Pearsall can't stay healthy,
10:56you want an actual receiver, and Debo is not elite anymore.
11:02I'm totally with you guys.
11:04You know, we'll see.
11:05Time will tell if they got nostalgic with bringing Drake Greenlaw back.
11:10But nostalgia is not a great philosophy when it comes to roster construction.
11:15I mean, if this thing were to all go perfect, let's say you did that.
11:18You bring Debo Samuel back.
11:19What you're hoping for is that he doesn't play.
11:22Like, how many people they already have, and how would that feel for Debo?
11:26He is, I don't want to call him a gadget guy.
11:29He's a different type of a player.
11:30I don't think it's what they're doing.
11:32But it's ran its course.
11:33Why is he available in camps open?
11:36You know, and I'm not hating.
11:38That speaks volumes.
11:39Yeah.
11:40So to Dibbs' point on what he has left, but also the style that he brings,
11:44I don't think is what the 49ers want to have at the forefront anymore.
11:47You know, what he did great for the Niners was kind of out of necessity
11:52because they didn't love necessarily everything that they had as far as their quarterback
11:56and their receivers.
11:57I thought the window dressing, him in motion, threw teams off, man.
12:01Oh, yeah.
12:02And then you remember in his last year, they were waiting for him.
12:05Everywhere he went, they were just sitting there waiting for him.
12:07They're like, we saw this on film.
12:10So, yeah, I don't think that's the play.
12:13Yeah, where he didn't have the speed to get to the edge anymore.
12:15I think, you know, a player of his size, in a way, what made him great is why he's no
12:21longer
12:22that kind of player because the explosiveness at his size is just kind of uncanny.
12:27I don't know.
12:28I think the guy that, I don't know if you guys talked about him because he's also kind
12:31of a big dude, but is Vita Vea.
12:33And it's less to me, like, I think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are eventually going to pay him.
12:37I think that this happens all the time where a guy asks out and doesn't actually go anywhere.
12:42But I think it's interesting that, I think it was Ted Nguyen of The Athletic reported that
12:46he's interested in going to either Las Vegas or California.
12:49And a guy like that, who's a game-changing talent, if the Niners were in a win-now window,
12:55to me, are absolutely in line to acquire his services.
12:58And I just wonder if you guys feel like they are.
13:02You know, if that's someone who they would just be rushing to try and get the way that
13:07the Rams rush to spend everything on Trent McDuffie and Miles Garrett.
13:11Not that he's that expensive, but a couple years ago, it's like, all right, third-round pick
13:15for Chase Young?
13:16No problem.
13:16You guys nailed it earlier.
13:18I think they are in a win-now window.
13:20Absolutely.
13:21I really do.
13:22However, the issue with this one is not this year.
13:26Vita is in the final year of his deal.
13:28Could the Niners tuck that into this year?
13:30Sure.
13:30But whoever acquires him is going to need to extend him.
13:33And he's 31.
13:34And he's 31.
13:35And he'll be expensive.
13:36And their cap situation in future years is not ideal for that kind of thing.
13:41I think they're loving the fact that this is the first year where they didn't have to
13:45do a massive extension for somebody.
13:48So to bring in a player and then do that is probably not what they're going to do.
13:53I get the desire.
13:55I mean, he'd be great.
13:56He'd be great.
13:57But he fits better with the Warriors, quite frankly, as an older player.
14:01What about Logan Murdoch's report?
14:03A little young for the Warriors.
14:04Yeah, you're right.
14:05Whereas, allegedly, some in the Warriors brass were in on Anthony Davis or, you know,
14:10Let's talk Jalen Brown.
14:13I'm fascinated by this.
14:15Four is too steep for me.
14:16I agree.
14:17I'm trying to figure this out from multiple angles.
14:20Why is he even available at the deadline?
14:23That's what I couldn't put together either.
14:25Oh, at the dinner party.
14:26Back in February where they were the two seed.
14:28They were the two seed.
14:29And he was an MVP candidate.
14:31The world is buzzing about what he's doing without Tatum.
14:34More than fair.
14:34And Boston is offering him up.
14:36So that has me scratching my head.
14:39Is there any chance that's not accurate?
14:43I mean, I guess there's always a chance.
14:45But there are more than one people I respect reporting it.
14:49So...
14:50I don't have an answer.
14:51Four ones sound steep.
14:53They ended up taking two.
14:54I know Paul George is healthy and Jimmy Butler is not.
14:57But if the Warriors could have gotten that to three.
15:00But what bothers me about it is not that they didn't do it.
15:03What bothers me about it is the reported reason why.
15:06That they didn't think, they weren't sure, that he could be the one when Steph retires.
15:13And that means you didn't make the move based on what you weren't sure about three years from now.
15:19That's the kind of stuff that if I were Steph, that would piss me off.
15:24Yeah, but, you know, Steph has also said that he wants to leave it in a better place than he
15:28found it.
15:28And it's like, if you can get...
15:31If the Warriors had stuff around Steph, and this was the only thing that I saw a problem with.
15:37It's like, if you spend your four picks, then it better be good enough.
15:42Because you can't do anything else.
15:44Except for how old's Jalen?
15:46Jalen's going to be in his 11th season.
15:48He's going to be 30.
15:48Okay.
15:49So let's say you did that deal, though.
15:51And then Steph retires in a couple years, and you decide, I don't necessarily like where we're at.
15:56You could recoup something.
15:58For Jalen Brown, at age 32, you could recoup something.
16:03Not all of it.
16:04But that's...
16:05I guess my point is, if that was the sole reason you said no, that feels faulty to me.
16:12To be thinking about something that's three years down the road.
16:15Yeah, what stood out to me was a lack of organizational consensus.
16:19Yeah.
16:20There you have it.
16:21And that was the same thing, it sounds like, with Davis, too.
16:23That there was a small contingent...
16:25And who?
16:26...part of the Warriors that didn't believe that Davis was worth...
16:29It's like, there's two reports that people are not on the same page.
16:34And it sounds like there's some people that are in the camp of do stuff now.
16:38And some people in the camp of do stuff later.
16:40And it sounds like they have, as a group, come together and decided that they'd rather focus on the later.
16:47And I don't think Jalen Brown fits into the later.
16:51Like...
16:52Who does?
16:54I mean, this is a field.
16:55That's why they haven't done anything.
16:58Those people aren't available, you know?
17:00Exactly.
17:01Like, are we waiting for the absolute perfect basketball player to come along before you...
17:08So, what is optionality if you don't use it?
17:11Well, and we talked about this yesterday.
17:12Like, the later is, like, Anthony Edwards.
17:15He's the later.
17:17Or Shea Gildas Alexander.
17:18He is the now and the later.
17:20Shout out the candy.
17:21Orange.
17:22But, like, they're not available.
17:24So, the people who are available...
17:26Like, Jalen Brown was available.
17:27And maybe it's because he did have the Achilles issue last year.
17:31And, you know, Boston was not thrilled by that.
17:34And the Warriors, the thing that you mentioned, Evan, is the whole idea about, like, the consensus.
17:39And it feels like when you had Bob Myers here and you had Jerry West here, there was consensus.
17:45Like, we're doing this.
17:47You're not.
17:48And then now it's Mike Dunleavy.
17:49And I do think that you've got a certain number of Lakers and you've got Dunleavy.
17:54And it's like, okay, you think what you think.
17:56And we think what we think.
17:58And if we don't agree, well, then we're not doing something.
18:00Evan, which Willard pointed out yesterday, and I've said a hundred times to Evan, so you did nothing this offseason?
18:06But now Willard wanted to do something.
18:08Dibs didn't.
18:09Dibs wanted to do...
18:09That's not good if that's how it's going down.
18:12I've gotten myself to a place where it's kind of like what we do with our kids.
18:15When it's like, if you do this, like, I'm going to let you off the hook this time.
18:18Oh.
18:19You do this again.
18:21This optionality flexibility thing.
18:25That's it.
18:26That's it.
18:27This summer is the last one.
18:29There's no doubt.
18:30Because this money all comes off the books next year, and Steph Curry will be about to turn 40 years
18:34old.
18:35So, if you're...
18:36I'm having a hard enough time swallowing it this year, but if this is what you're going to do this
18:41year,
18:42I don't want to hear optionality again next year.
18:45I mean, they're going to have the most cap space in basketball.
18:47It's like, yeah, the gloves come off.
18:49You've got to do something with it.
18:50Someone's got to take your money.
18:52And it better not be Draymond Green.
18:54Right.
18:55He's got it on your deal right now.
18:57But Mark mentioned it, like, very good, nice opening, but free agents don't really happen anymore at the top level,
19:04because, you know, teams have the bird rights, and so we all talk about Nikola Jokic,
19:09and let's just spend a year talking about Jokic to the Warriors, and could it happen, and, you know,
19:13Denver struggles, and does he want out, and whatnot.
19:16But, ultimately, they can give him more money than anyone else.
19:19And so, the way the system is built now, the top-level guys can get more money by staying,
19:25and so you stay, and you get more money, and when you decide that you're kind of, you know, disgruntled
19:30or whatever,
19:31then you go ahead and say, I want out.
19:33Yeah, but, I mean, you need the space.
19:35We talked about it a little bit yesterday, but, like, you need the space to do it.
19:37You also need the picks to do it, and you also have to be a location that someone wants to
19:41go to.
19:41It's like, you know, okay, so the Lakers had a lot of flexibility this offseason by getting off of LeBron's
19:47contract,
19:48but, you know, like, Walker Kessler wanted to go to L.A.
19:52Now, I don't think he's a game-changing player, but it's like, okay, that's your big man.
19:55That's your guy you're going to throw next to Luka Doncic.
19:57You have to have him choose you, and then have the picks to trade for him, and the money to
20:02give him after,
20:03and I think that's why the Warriors are waiting, because there's not really anybody that is that sexy out there
20:10that's going to help catapult them while basically preserving this optionality that everybody hates.
20:18So, is that what we're going to follow now this year, is whether or not Jokic gets to the end
20:24of the year,
20:25Denver is not a top-four seed, and he apparently is ticked, and the Warriors can trade.
20:32I don't know if I can do it again.
20:34The Warriors can trade an expiring Jimmy Butler contract, and four picks and two swaps for Nikola Jokic,
20:40and then sign him to a max five-year extension at age 32.
20:46Is that a good preview on what we're going to do now this year?
20:50I'll give up the four for Joker.
20:52It's going to be the next pipe dream.
20:53It's going to be, exactly, pipe dream.
20:55But he's got to be mad.
20:56You're going back to the club.
20:57He's got to be mad.
20:57Yeah.
20:58He's got to be mad at his team.
20:59Not mad at his team, but like Giannis.
21:01He's got to want to move on.
21:02It's over.
21:03And, I mean, you could fill in the blank on whomever.
21:05Like, the whole Laurie Markkinen thing, like, honestly, I haven't watched a ton of Laurie Markkinen,
21:11but the idea of, oh, 6'10", he's kind of a unicorn, and he'd be a great fit.
21:15Let's go out and get Laurie Markkinen.
21:18But I do think that Warrior fans are going to be in that same thirst mode of, okay, like,
21:23who's going to be next, and how do we get this thing to maximize the Steph Curry window?
21:27So, damn.
21:29I just, it's tough right now that Joe Lacob has largely been pretty quiet for a long time,
21:37and I think that's tough for him because what ends up happening is little bits and pieces of large conversations
21:43are getting put out by those who do talk to him some, whether that's a Tim Calcami or whatever,
21:50Amani Poole, and people are, you know, Anthony Slater, they're maybe talking to him at times,
21:56and so he's getting characterized.
21:59And this one that Logan Murdoch put out today, to me, this is a tough characterization,
22:04and it's not just Laker, but the idea that, and again, it's for first rounders.
22:10We could talk about what the offer was or the ask, but if your reasoning is,
22:15I don't want to do Jalen Brown because I'm worried that three years from now he's not a torch holder,
22:22to me, that's a crappy reason.
22:25That's not the reason.
22:26You don't do it because it's either a bad ask or a bad fit next to Steph or whatever.
22:34Like, I can't.
22:34Not light years you would do it.
22:36I can't see me.
22:37You know, when you're light, you're a gambler.
22:38Like, let's see it, Evan.
22:39And what about, real quick, Kawakami's comments about him possibly being focused or them on the future?
22:45That could be more than the Murdoch.
22:47I think it's the same thing.
22:48Like, he didn't make that up, right?
22:50Somebody had, like, for him to say that.
22:52I don't know Tim super well.
22:54I mean, I know him pretty well, but he's not one of these, like, I'm going to make it up
22:58guys.
22:59I got you.
23:00We do have some people in this media landscape, and I referred to him yesterday,
23:04and I won't be as overt today, but there are people who make S up.
23:09Well, Tim Kawakami's almost 35, and again, I'm dating him.
23:13I did this before, 40 years in the business.
23:15I don't think it's been that long, but he's not a make it up as we go along guy.
23:19So, yeah, I think that it's a founded opinion, but honestly, like, Joe Lacob is an open book,
23:26and he probably is really thinking about, I mean, yeah, Steph, great.
23:31One year, two year, three years.
23:32Love you.
23:33Keep you.
23:33Pay you.
23:34But what happens after that?
23:36If Steph retires, Joe Lacob still owns the team.
23:39Yeah, I mean, I thought one of the themes of the piece was also the fact that
23:42Lacob's ambition is the reason why they're in the spot,
23:47but also one of the main reasons why they have four championships
23:50is willingness to hire an unproven talent,
23:53and Bob Myers is his willingness to listen to someone like Jerry West
24:01for a lot of the kind of pivotal choices, you know,
24:03to build a front office that had a lot of maybe unlikely greats in it
24:07and put them in positions of power at the time where you didn't know
24:10and eventually they became what they are.
24:12So it's like he's kind of created this situation where I think he's done it his way,
24:17and to be fair, it's produced four championships,
24:20but now he's still trying to do it his way, and it's becoming tougher and tougher,
24:24and maybe the people that are unproven who's put in those positions,
24:27like, you know, aren't Bob Myers or aren't some of these people that have now gone to heights
24:34that we now know them to be.
24:36Like, it's tough.
24:38But all right, guys, you got the show coming up?
24:42Um, that's what they tell us.
24:44Yeah.
24:44I know you say that every single day.
24:46I just need an all-righty gents before you leave.
24:49All-righty gents.
24:51Nien in.
24:52Golfing today?
24:53Nien in.
24:54No, just change your name.
24:55It would have been a lot easier.
24:56I'm proposing, and I do this with all respect,
24:59Ohemma Giema.
25:00The guy's it.
25:01It's pretty awesome.
25:02Yeah, I think that that would be a great T-shirt for her to wear around.
25:06Evan, what are we supposed to do, and where are we supposed to do it?
25:09Well, I was going to say, you know where you could wear that T-shirt is on 95.7, the
25:13game.
25:14Yeah, baby.
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