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00:00:17Welcome to Cuarto Milenio. Tonight I'd like you to learn several secrets of
00:00:21an ancient science. They called it alchemy. Those who practiced it pursued two dreams, the
00:00:26Immortality and eternal wealth. Tonight we will also descend into the ancient tombs of the
00:00:32Egyptian pharaohs. Those dwellings where people still speak of curses, strange events, and enigmas.
00:00:38that are yet to be explained. And finally, we will travel to an unknown point in our geography, to a
00:00:43The old sanctuary, that of La Balma, in the Maestrazgo region of Castellón. Until not so long ago, pilgrims used to come there.
00:00:48The possessed. The elixir of long life and the philosopher's stone that transformed metals
00:00:58in gold. That was the great quest of the alchemists, a secret and forbidden wisdom that has
00:01:05prolonged throughout time. Today, on Cuarto Milenio, we will learn about part of that fascinating
00:01:12Mystery. The discovery of tomb KV-62 in Egypt's Valley of the Kings caused a sensation.
00:01:18worldwide. However, the subsequent deaths of many members of that first
00:01:24The expedition continues to fuel controversy. Coincidence or a genuine curse?
00:01:31The pharaohs? Tonight we will travel to the ancient sanctuary of Balma. There, until the middle of the
00:01:37In the 20th century, mind-blowing mass exorcisms were practiced. A portrait of collective hysteria and
00:01:44strange events that ended dramatically and that centered in this hidden place among
00:01:50rugged mountains. The dream of immortality and immense wealth has not changed in the
00:01:55last millennia. He was also pursued by a kind of ancient sorcerer, half magician, half
00:02:01Chemists, who were the alchemists. They worked with objects like these, distilling strange substances.
00:02:06They made concoctions, concocted mysterious potions, and searched for a kind of stone.
00:02:11of an enclave, of a kind of object capable of transforming the rest of the metals into
00:02:16gold. Not only that, they also sought a kind of transformation of the spirit, a transformation
00:02:20Personal. Alchemy books are amazing; they're full of secrets, of codes that no one
00:02:24We can decipher it. It's curious because talking about this at a scientific, pharmaceutical, medical level,
00:02:29It seems to be talking about heresy, about things that are too dark. Just these past few weeks, in Madrid,
00:02:35An interesting exhibition is currently taking place in a library at the Complutense University.
00:02:40an exhibition that opens the door to that world, the world of alchemy.
00:02:52For centuries, and perhaps even today, a prodigious science existed and was practiced
00:02:58secretly by a small group of chosen individuals, who offered their followers the promise of riches
00:03:02Infinite possibilities, eternal life, and access to knowledge that granted limitless power. It was the
00:03:09alchemy.
00:03:15Alchemy is not the predecessor of chemistry as traditionally understood, because it does not have
00:03:21The principles of alchemy have nothing to do with the principles of later chemistry. Alchemy
00:03:26We could say that it is the universal science of knowledge, the way to achieve
00:03:31absolute knowledge. That's what differentiates it from chemistry, whose purpose is to obtain and know what are
00:03:38the principles of nature, but nothing to do with absolute knowledge.
00:03:46The very word, alchemy, seems to have a dubious origin. Many claim that the expression
00:03:54The legacy of the Arabs can be divided into two parts: the article "al" and the term "kemia," which
00:04:01It means black earth or soil. According to this hypothesis, Muslims were referring to the dark lands of
00:04:08Egypt, where they would have learned the first secrets of the mysterious science.
00:04:15Leaving aside its mysterious aspect, alchemy contributed significantly to the progress of
00:04:20Laboratory chemistry. Equipment such as the still and techniques such as distillation or the water bath.
00:04:27They were invented by alchemists, at the same time as they were discovering substances that until then
00:04:32ignored, like sulfuric acid, aqua regia, nitric acid, ammonia. But alchemy
00:04:40It was above all a hermetic science, around which an aura of mystery was woven and
00:04:45secret. Originating in part from the strange aspirations of some followers, as well as from the
00:04:51symbolic and almost indecipherable form of his writings, saturated with codes intended to confuse
00:04:57to the uninitiated. Alchemy is expressed above all through a symbolic language that cannot contain within itself
00:05:06The truth, apparently, must be hidden behind it; the truth of alchemy, which was to achieve the
00:05:12philosopher's stone, and for them it was such a sacred art that no one could read a book or
00:05:18see a
00:05:19simple engraving and the power to create the philosopher's stone. They hid it under many symbolic allegories and
00:05:25mostly expressed through engravings. There are some impressive engravings that explain everything.
00:05:30process of the great work on one page.
00:05:38It is not easy to summarize the work of an alchemist in a few words. It focused especially on three
00:05:44distinct facets. On the one hand, the search for the philosopher's stone, in whose presence
00:05:50all metals could be converted into gold.
00:05:53The philosopher's stone is traditionally thought to be a rock-like substance. No, it has nothing to do with it.
00:06:00That has to do with it. It's not very clear what the philosopher's stone was because there were very few alchemists.
00:06:06which they indicate to us through their writings. Yes, it seems they were fine powders because
00:06:12It has also been called projection powder. Why projection powder? Because
00:06:17projected, to use a redundant phrase, onto any type of metal, it managed to transmute it into gold.
00:06:24Gold was the purest metal par excellence. That's why it has traditionally been thought that what
00:06:29What the alchemists sought was the philosopher's stone capable of transmuting anything
00:06:34The type of metal was gold, and what they were looking for was wealth. No, this was further proof.
00:06:40proof that this transmutation, this transformation, had been perfectly achieved
00:06:45throughout the great work and was the symbol that you had attained absolute power
00:06:50about nature.
00:06:53They also sought the so-called elixir of long life, imagined as a substance capable of
00:06:57to avoid the corruption of matter. And finally, the accomplishment of the great work, whose
00:07:04The goal was to elevate the alchemist himself to a higher state of existence, to transform him
00:07:09into something more than a mere human being. The alchemists' records tell of some
00:07:16Some of them, endowed with extraordinary powers, live incognito among us.
00:07:22Well, it's difficult to separate alchemy from what is a dead end of science these days.
00:07:29But there are many reissues; many of these texts have been reissued using various techniques.
00:07:35New recordings are being made, which are in high demand and have a large print run.
00:07:41publishing, including translations from Latin to Spanish. It even comes out occasionally
00:07:47some more or less decent book by someone who calls himself an alchemist.
00:08:04I'm sure many people will be surprised to see our next guest, Jose.
00:08:09María Íñigo. She needs no introduction; it would be sacrilege to introduce her at this point.
00:08:13Speaking of alchemy, what will Íñigo do on a program about alchemy? José María,
00:08:17Welcome, thank you very much, it's a pleasure.
00:08:18Delighted to be here. Then we'll figure out why you're here and what you were able to see.
00:08:23Seeing it with your own eyes, which has to do with alchemy, what do you think? That sounds great to me.
00:08:27We are also joined by Mar Rey, she is a doctor of pharmacy and the author of several books on
00:08:30Alchemy, one of them is titled that way, alchemy, absolutely essential, has taught us
00:08:35From a scientific point of view, to learn more about this kind of heretical science,
00:08:39Is she still considered heretical today, Mar? Yes, she is still considered heretical because that's how she sees herself.
00:08:44Alchemy is a relic of the past; it no longer has any validity.
00:08:47It's true that in some talks about alchemy, and I'm telling you this to see if Mar can decipher it for us
00:08:51And he reveals it to us, a kind of, let's put it that way, because it was never known whether it was or not.
00:08:56He was a professor, he said he was a professor, he stood up saying that it was incomprehensible and inconceivable
00:09:02What was happening. What was happening? That several speakers had admitted
00:09:07Or they had said that at the Complutense University, in pharmacy, practical training was being done.
00:09:12alchemists. This supposed professor said that they should immediately give him the names.
00:09:17of those people who would be suspended and expelled. Is that true? Isn't that true?
00:09:21It wasn't that long ago, was it?
00:09:22That's the legend, isn't it? I spent 14 years of my life at university.
00:09:26I'm in pharmacy and I haven't been able to find out who that professor was, but there are instruments.
00:09:31necessary to perform a transmutation. Yes, indeed, to perform an alchemical transmutation.
00:09:35It's a normal, everyday thing that can be done nowadays, isn't it? Science
00:09:38He has proven it. If you'd like, let's learn the story of an absolutely remarkable character.
00:09:43Enigmatic. He visited Spain about 30 years ago, in December 1975 to be exact. He acknowledges
00:09:48when the Cuarto Milenio team was able to see these images from the legendary live program
00:09:52From the first episode, we were absolutely stunned, we were frozen in place. There was a lot of anticipation.
00:09:58tremendous surrounding this somewhat strange figure of a man with lacquered hair and a penetrating gaze,
00:10:03who claimed to be the reincarnation of none other than the Count of Saint Germain, a sort
00:10:07of being immortal. And then, he added that he was capable of that, of the great alchemical dream.
00:10:12transform metals like lead into gold.
00:10:18In 1975, Spanish public opinion was shocked by one of these self-proclaimed
00:10:24alchemists. It was none other than someone who claimed to be the Count of Saint Germain,
00:10:29an individual who triumphed in the European courts of the 18th century, squandering a fortune that
00:10:35No one knew where he came from, and he displayed a whole litany of mysterious powers that
00:10:40They included hypnotism and the healing of a wide variety of ailments through potions.
00:10:44which he manufactured in his laboratory. Saint Germain, who claimed to be immortal, disappeared so
00:10:53mysteriously as he had lived. In December of that year, José María Íñigo, on the program
00:10:59Directísimo had as a guest Richard Chanfray, a French citizen who had adopted the
00:11:05The personality of the 18th-century alchemist. What was truly impressive was that the mysterious
00:11:11The character provided the means for the presenter himself to perform a live transmutation.
00:11:16before the eyes of scientists and jewelers who could only express their amazement and certify
00:11:21their inability to detect any fraud. That, indeed, was gold. When only
00:11:28seconds before, it was just humble lead.
00:11:34Years later, Chanfray, ruined after having spent a fortune, would commit suicide taking with him
00:11:41He took to his grave the last great secret of alchemy. It is said that days before his death, he confessed
00:11:47to a friend who believed there was no trickery involved in his alchemical practices. The philosopher's stone was entrusted to him.
00:11:52by a stranger who asked him to show the world the truth of transmutation. Identity
00:11:57of this character or of the substance with which he carried out his performances for years
00:12:02They are a mystery that the false Saint Germanus took with him to the grave.
00:12:08Dr. Fernando Braña, what is the summary of the various tests I have done?
00:12:13There he was, José María. You dealing with this mysterious character who really
00:12:18He did it, he did it in front of experts. What you put on was incredible. How many people were there?
00:12:23There? Because we've only been able to access certain parts of the information, but there was
00:12:27Dozens of specialists observed that alchemical process.
00:12:30Initially, there was everyone in the studio audience, but I had invited...
00:12:34that they would witness what was going to happen to several chemists, several jewelers, and an illusionist,
00:12:41to Juan Tamariz, so that he could see that there was no trickery or deception there from the point
00:12:45from the point of view of illusionism in what was going to happen. But this is the second part, because the first
00:12:51It had taken place in Paris some time before. I had read this man's story; it seemed to me
00:12:56Interesting enough to bring it to Spanish television. And with one of the collaborators.
00:13:00From the program, Jesús Torbado, the famous writer and journalist, we went to Paris to meet him,
00:13:06We had dinner with him at his house, the house of the Count of Saint Germain. We found out there when
00:13:11He greeted us and opened the door; he was married to the famous singer Dalidad. And we had dinner.
00:13:17With them, and after dinner, we went to the kitchen and did practically the same thing.
00:13:24But obviously he had already told me to bring a little to the house for dinner.
00:13:30made of lead, a piece of lead that I bought myself and that I signed on that piece of lead.
00:13:36We went there, he asked me to, I did everything, he didn't do anything. He asked me to put it on.
00:13:41In a crucible, we heated the crucible on the stove and little by little things began to change. It became
00:13:47The piece of lead was smaller, that's the truth. And then it started changing color.
00:13:52It was changing color, changing color, and it was apparently gold. When I asked him
00:13:57What is the reason it has gotten smaller? He told me he was related.
00:14:02with the atomic weight of lead and gold, and well, that's one of those stories. Anyway, I
00:14:06He said, "Take that, what came out of there that looks like gold, and take it to a jeweler in Paris."
00:14:11and have him tell you what it is. As it happens, I had a cousin of my wife's in Paris who
00:14:15He was a jeweler; I took it to him, and as soon as I showed it to him, he said, "That's gold." I said, "However, do what you have to."
00:14:19What to do? Analyze it and see if it's gold. And I say, I'll do whatever you want, but that's gold and...
00:14:24He did indeed run the tests, and it was pure gold. We moved on to Studio 1 at the Prado del Rey.
00:14:29We did it live with those exceptional witnesses; we did practically the same thing.
00:14:33And that was gold. What did the chemists say? That it was impossible that it was...
00:14:38It's quite a stir, there's no denying it. Yes, some were saying to each other that this was impossible, but
00:14:43It's gold. I mean, this is impossible, but it happened. And the jewelers were the same. What's more, there were two jewelers
00:14:49They saw it, checked it, and left angry because they said this was impossible and they left
00:14:53That's all. But it happened. Admittedly, not as big a stir as the Uri Geller incident.
00:14:58because that overshadowed any other possible guest throughout the entire history of the
00:15:03Television. I think that when they do summaries of the whole of history, the archetypal image
00:15:07The one everyone remembered was Uri Geller and José María Íñigo. One day he
00:15:10We remember. But Mar, by the way, this business of turning lead into gold, as I understand it, because
00:15:16Having read it in your books is almost like a letter of introduction. It's almost like saying
00:15:20I am a true alchemist, and only true alchemists, according to, let's say,
00:15:25The orthodoxy of this science, so to speak, indicates that this is the case. Which is like saying
00:15:30There are my credentials. Throughout the great work, this is what the alchemist does.
00:15:34It is to prepare the so-called projection powder, which, as its name indicates, is projected
00:15:39He could transform any base metal, any kind of metal, into gold. That
00:15:45It is clear proof that you have achieved the great work, that you have obtained the stone.
00:15:50Philosophical, what is commonly called in alchemy. What José María just recounted.
00:15:54It is nothing more and nothing less than a television reenactment of what has been happening.
00:15:57done throughout history by alchemists, in front of because normally
00:16:02of great patrons, of kings, of monarchs, of pontiffs.
00:16:06Is there any historical record of other figures before this mysterious Sanfrey?
00:16:09who did it too?
00:16:10Yes, many, many. It was clear proof that this character was an alchemist and that
00:16:15He could obtain for his patron any amount of gold he desired.
00:16:20But there are still more stories, I was going to say, astonishing and even gruesome. I know, José María,
00:16:25This character also gave you other kinds of demonstrations that had to do with
00:16:29The other great dream of the alchemists. Importance is always given to the gold and lead.
00:16:33But rarely did they pursue immortality, which they also sought. There were even experiments with animals.
00:16:37Yes, he showed us a document from the Pasteur Institute that said the liquid that
00:16:43The material they had been given was not composed of any known material. That's why the scientists
00:16:49from that institute. That's what the paper said. And when asked what it was, he said it was the elixir.
00:16:56of life, the liquid of life, the water of life, a similar story and that, in short,
00:17:01He could bring the dead back to life. Of course, well, it wasn't...
00:17:06You seemed a bit stunned, at least.
00:17:07Yes, it wasn't exactly a laughing matter, but almost. And he suggested doing a test, obviously not with
00:17:14not a human being, but an animal, a dog. And he did it with a dead dog, which he evidently
00:17:19He was dead. He was dead, and they injected him with the liquid in question, and after a few minutes
00:17:24It began to move, to tremble, some death rattles, as if it were a...
00:17:28You saw that.
00:17:28He was epileptic and started to... He stood up, took a few steps, and died. Come on,
00:17:32and it fell again.
00:17:34Were you there?
00:17:34Yes, yes.
00:17:35And what do you think about that, as a journalist?
00:17:37No, no, no. I prefer not to think about it, because if I really believe in all that, I think I would change it.
00:17:41My life. So I watch it, and once the show's over, I leave and move on to something else.
00:17:48butterfly.
00:17:48It's not a bad position.
00:17:49I don't want to get into those stories, because those and some others I've seen, well, man,
00:17:54They're enough to make you tremble.
00:17:55We can remember some now, José María, if you like. By the way, Omar, in Spain,
00:17:58There have been great alchemists. We're talking about a man who lived in Paris, a man
00:18:03from a country with a great tradition in these matters, but in Spain we have also had
00:18:07alchemists.
00:18:07Yes, of course. Spain is the gateway for alchemical doctrines originating from
00:18:12The East, which entered Europe through Islam via the gateway of Spain. In Spain,
00:18:19The most well-known Spanish alchemists are those whom Menéndez Pelayo, in his book on
00:18:24The Spanish heterodox thinkers, the trio of Catalan sages calls them. Ramón Llull,
00:18:28Arnaud de Vilanova and Juan de Rupestisa.
00:18:31They are considered without question to be alchemists.
00:18:33Yes, they were considered alchemists. Historical evidence has shown this.
00:18:38Nowadays, the writings that came with their signatures, with their names, of course, imagine,
00:18:43They are characters from the medieval period, the Middle Ages. They are all manuscripts that theoretically
00:18:48They are listed by name, but historical research has shown that they are not alchemists.
00:18:54as such, but, well, other alchemists from the same environment, right?, from the Catalan-Occitan area
00:18:59They used the names of these three great sages to publicize and give renown
00:19:05to his alchemical writings and thus spread them more easily.
00:19:08December 1975, we're not talking about the Middle Ages, we're talking about 30 years ago, a huge studio, Television
00:19:15Spanish, the most-watched program they could follow, José María, how many
00:19:18millions of listeners?
00:19:19Man, it was a time when television was watched a lot, 15, 16, 17, 20 million
00:19:26Who would want them now, my mother?
00:19:27Well, now it's more complicated.
00:19:28It's curious, but this character, to add more mystery to his story, flew away to have
00:19:32400 years, no more and no less.
00:19:34He was a kind of reincarnation of Count Saint Germain, just like that.
00:19:38And who is that count?
00:19:39Who is the Count of Saint Germain?
00:19:40It seems to be a kind of fable, an old myth, or who knows if it's a stark reality, that
00:19:44It keeps repeating itself throughout the centuries.
00:19:46An individual with many years behind him, more than centuries, one might say, and who apparently
00:19:52He was once able to find the great secret that all alchemists were pursuing.
00:19:56Who knows? An old tale? A scientific story worth solving?
00:20:01We asked our dear friend Enrique de Vicente, director of the magazine Año
00:20:04Zero, so that he can give us a brief biography of this mysterious count, Saint Germain.
00:20:13The first record we have of him dates back to the mid-18th century in England, precisely
00:20:19because he is accused of participating in one of the conspiracies against the King of England,
00:20:25whom the defenders of the Stuarts considered an imposter.
00:20:29Later, the Count of Saint Germain is seen at the French court, introduced to the highest ranks.
00:20:33level.
00:20:34It even seems that through the Marquise de Pompadou, mistress of King Louis XV, he had
00:20:40He had close relations with this king and carried out high-level diplomatic missions.
00:20:48And no less curious is the fact that this Jean Frey said he had crossed paths with someone
00:20:53and he had given him his secret.
00:20:55A certain Fulcanelli, José María.
00:20:57Yes, he often mentioned Fulcanelli as the man who had introduced him to the
00:21:02world of alchemy and all that.
00:21:03The truth is that I didn't pay much attention to Fulcanelli's story because I didn't...
00:21:06What interested me was him and the possibility that he would do what I wanted.
00:21:09I wanted him to do it.
00:21:10His story didn't matter much to me either, because I knew we didn't have it on television.
00:21:14It took a long time to explain, but she did mention Fulcanelli several times.
00:21:18Fulcanelli.
00:21:18Who is Fulcanelli, Mar?
00:21:20Well, Fulcanelli is the most famous alchemist of the 20th century.
00:21:23It's as if we were saying, every so often, every so often, we have to
00:21:28It revived interest in alchemy, and I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but it appears
00:21:34a prominent figure, in this case Fulcanelli at the beginning of the 20th century.
00:21:38Fulcanelli is an unknown French figure, of whom no images or writings have survived.
00:21:44They were published years later by some of his disciples and a character who said
00:21:48having obtained the philosopher's stone.
00:21:50He is the one who has subsequently motivated legions of followers throughout Europe and America as well.
00:21:55to get started in the world of alchemy.
00:21:59And it always seems that the alchemist crosses paths with another alchemist at some point in his life.
00:22:02He reveals the great truth to her and passes on his secret.
00:22:05In this case, the little melting pot, José María, who showed you on Spanish television
00:22:08In front of millions of people, something so humble didn't seem at all worthy of
00:22:12Not a king, not at all, a very humble thing where the miracle occurred.
00:22:16No, no, no, it was a kind of bowl, I think it was made of iron, a certain color, cast iron,
00:22:21a dark color, it had nothing anywhere.
00:22:25We observed it, we looked at it, it didn't have any false bottoms or anything like that, there was nothing there.
00:22:31absolutely nothing.
00:22:32And that's where the miraculous transformation took place.
00:22:36That's what happened when it was heated; one metal was changed into another.
00:22:39That's important, José María, because we've seen fragments of that legendary program.
00:22:43And legendary, that very live performance, at no point does he play.
00:22:46No.
00:22:47Neither the crucible, nor the lead, nor the gold.
00:22:49It's important to make that clear, isn't it?
00:22:50No, no, no, it was the chemicals that touched there and me too.
00:22:53And those of us who look at the end, that...
00:22:55By the way, Omar, some people might be surprised to learn that Philip II,
00:23:00a king, the most important of his time, in whose empire the sun never set,
00:23:04He had a great passion: alchemy.
00:23:06And in El Escorial, if I understand correctly, he even set up a laboratory with things like these from his
00:23:10time,
00:23:10an alchemical laboratory.
00:23:12What were they looking for? Why was that done?
00:23:14What Philip II sought was what all princes of the time sought.
00:23:17It must be remembered that Philip II lived in a period of history in which alchemy underwent a
00:23:21boom,
00:23:22a fascinating explosion, which attracts all kinds of characters.
00:23:27Initially, what Philip II was looking for was, well, the transmutation of metals into gold.
00:23:32In gold, what he needed was gold to pay his deployed troops.
00:23:35A quest for pure and simple wealth.
00:23:36Exactly, troops distributed throughout Europe and had to maintain an empire.
00:23:40But as he grows older and realizes he has no heir to his crown,
00:23:43All of his children are dying little by little,
00:23:46Well, decide or think, you must think that you have to stay alive as long as possible.
00:23:51And so, he seeks the other great chimera of alchemy,
00:23:53that of the prolongation of life, immortality.
00:23:57And that is why they are building a lavish complex around the Escorial monastery.
00:24:03because it is the adjective that corresponds to the alchemical laboratory,
00:24:06the most important in all of Europe at the time.
00:24:08Of all of Europe, the most important is in El Escorial.
00:24:10Yes, the most important and the biggest.
00:24:12Today, only the exterior walls remain.
00:24:16It was a small house, attached to the monastery of El Escorial.
00:24:21Only the external parts are preserved,
00:24:23But inside there remains a marked area where the great philosopher's towers once stood,
00:24:28distillation apparatus,
00:24:29where enormous quantities of medicines were manufactured daily,
00:24:33in search of that potable gold, that quintessence,
00:24:36of that vital elixir that could prolong the monarch's life.
00:24:40Hey, José Moría, this guy is leaving the show,
00:24:43I imagine the impact is brutal.
00:24:45I don't know if he's still wandering around Spain...
00:24:47No, no, he's gone, he's gone.
00:24:48He left and I never heard from him again.
00:24:51until one day I read in the newspapers that he had committed suicide a few months later.
00:24:55He seemed worried, he gave the impression of living under pressure.
00:24:59Right? Because of that secret that had been donated?
00:25:00I asked him the most typical question you can imagine, naturally, afterwards.
00:25:04I told him, and really, if you can turn lead into gold,
00:25:08First, why not turn it into something for yourself, as a good business opportunity that it could be?
00:25:11And he told me, no, because the moment this became known,
00:25:15that I have become rich in this way,
00:25:17It wouldn't be long before he was kidnapped
00:25:20by bad people who would try to turn me into a gold factory.
00:25:25So this isn't happening; I don't want it to go beyond a mere experiment.
00:25:30and not as a production factory.
00:25:33He had some rules, he told you some rules,
00:25:35I think one of them was to always do it in public, right?
00:25:37That transformation always had to be public.
00:25:39Yes, yes, and besides, I really didn't want anything else.
00:25:43At first he didn't do it often, he did it only a few times.
00:25:46And afterwards, I didn't want anyone to think this was a gold factory, not at all.
00:25:50Hey Mar, by the way, we're talking about something that involves changing lead into gold.
00:25:54There is a great deal of controversy surrounding this issue; I remember when we discussed it in Millennium III.
00:25:58trying to approach this world of alchemy for the first time,
00:26:01There was a great deal of controversy, I mean, among jewelers, chemists, physicists,
00:26:04It's possible, it's not possible, many are needed.
00:26:06But there were other, lesser-known artisanal processes for curing,
00:26:11for health items that will surprise you greatly.
00:26:14For example, they went to talk about potable gold.
00:26:16At that time, alchemists prepared a series of concoctions,
00:26:19For example, liquid gold for drinking.
00:26:21It was supposed to be a pure product that gave peace, gave vigor.
00:26:24That kind of thing was also done by alchemists, not just searching for the philosopher's stone.
00:26:28Yes of course.
00:26:28These were the two main lines of research, we could call them, of alchemy.
00:26:33metallic transmutation and personal transmutation.
00:26:36The search for a drug capable of curing all kinds of diseases.
00:26:39If gold was the purest metal, the metal par excellence,
00:26:44Well, if we ingested that metal, it could cure our diseases.
00:26:48And it was liquid because it was considered, at that time, the medicine of the era.
00:26:52He believed that the body was made up of humors,
00:26:54The imbalance of these humors caused the disease.
00:26:57Its balance restored health.
00:27:00What better way to ingest humor, like a liquid,
00:27:04Gold, the perfect metal, well, for restoring health.
00:27:07And you, as a doctor of pharmacy, a student of these matters,
00:27:10What is the strangest alchemical recipe, potion, or concoction?
00:27:14What have you discovered in the extensive research for your books?
00:27:17Well, I'll tell you which one you like best.
00:27:18Because it's the one you like the most, the one that is the quintessence of human blood.
00:27:22The quintessence of human blood?
00:27:23And I'm going to say, take note, but no.
00:27:25And it was made from blood, the recipes say,
00:27:28from the time of a young, red-haired, robust, chubby, well-built man.
00:27:34He had to be a redhead.
00:27:35He had to be a redhead.
00:27:36If it was fundamental, yes, because of the theory of similarities.
00:27:38If he was a redhead, they would take his blood as red.
00:27:41It was due to a whole series of doctrines that came from the time of the Greeks.
00:27:46And that's why everything is red, so that everything would come together seeking the same goal.
00:27:51And that blood was distilled progressively, once, again, again,
00:27:56until the quintessence was produced,
00:27:57which was theoretically the purest part of that blood.
00:28:01And that was taken because it was considered that if that man...
00:28:04Almost like a vital essence.
00:28:05Of course, as a vital essence.
00:28:06He was a young man, as we said, in good health.
00:28:09Well, that health that he had within himself,
00:28:11He transmitted it to you in that way through that quintessence.
00:28:14And that's evident in the hundreds of books that this exhibition in the library features.
00:28:17dependent on the Complutense University of Madrid,
00:28:19has been carried out on alchemy.
00:28:21A fascinating, exciting world, perhaps already lost,
00:28:23but it retains all its enigma.
00:28:25José María, this Chanfré fellow, who committed suicide under strange circumstances,
00:28:28Can it be said, is he one of the characters with the most unknowns?
00:28:31Have you been dumped after an interview?
00:28:33We're talking about people from the world of mystery.
00:28:35No, no, I was also very surprised by a certain Matthew Hennings, an Englishman,
00:28:38who claimed to have the power to make plants grow just by looking at them.
00:28:42But he said it or did it.
00:28:43He did it, he did it, he did it, naturally.
00:28:45We conducted the experiment on the set of Studio 1 itself.
00:28:49We bought a couple of plants that he didn't even see or touch.
00:28:54They were stored in a dressing room the entire time
00:28:57until the time came to take them to the studio.
00:28:59At that moment, some flight attendants placed them in the center of the studio,
00:29:02The guy approached, he only came within a couple of meters,
00:29:06I mean, he didn't touch anything, he had no contact with the plants,
00:29:10He concentrated, he began to think about whatever he was thinking,
00:29:13And we saw how the plants grew, rose, rose, rose.
00:29:16They didn't grow three meters either, but we saw the plant growing.
00:29:19in plain sight, in plain sight.
00:29:22And well, well, well, well, well, well, well, this leaves one a little...
00:29:27How does that leave you?
00:29:27Well, well, very puzzled, very puzzled, aren't you?
00:29:31Because anyone can think, oh well, that must be a trick.
00:29:34Well, it must be a trick, but it's a very complicated one.
00:29:36When a man hasn't touched that, he hasn't had any contact,
00:29:40He hasn't seen them, and from a distance he's able to do that.
00:29:43It's impossible, why not?
00:29:44Because we, better than anyone, knew that the plant was ours,
00:29:47that there was no trickery involved in that area.
00:29:50The impact of the guests that José María Íñigo brought onto his programs was brutal.
00:29:55A chain reaction the next day, impressive, I think unimaginable today.
00:30:00The most important one, as we said before, is Uri Geller.
00:30:02And the viewers of Cuarto Milenio were going to kill me.
00:30:05If I don't ask José María what happened to Uri Geller afterwards.
00:30:07Is it true that rumor that he became rich almost like an oil alchemist?
00:30:11He worked for several years for Petromex, Mexico's national oil company,
00:30:16as an oil divining device.
00:30:18He would go out, I don't know if every morning or every week or whenever, to look for oil in a helicopter.
00:30:24And he said, they were prospecting there and there was oil.
00:30:27And so it went for several years; I imagine he received a hefty commission.
00:30:31And that's how he now lives magnificently on the outskirts of London, in a sort of castle.
00:30:36He actually bought a town with a castle.
00:30:38Did he buy a town?
00:30:39Yes, an entire village. He lives in the castle and has given the village houses to his friends.
00:30:44"Mainly for safety," he says, "because at least I'm surrounded by friends."
00:30:47And he spends his time talking, visiting hospitals, and talking to children.
00:30:54with terminal illnesses to try to make the passage of the disease easier for them,
00:31:00to alleviate pain by using or transmitting the powers he claims to have.
00:31:06José María, if you have a day, first of all, thank you for your visit, it's an honor for us.
00:31:10We talked about Uri Geller one day, how about that?
00:31:12Delighted, delighted.
00:31:13Finally, Mar, let's talk now with our dear colleague Santiago Camacho,
00:31:16Let's listen to him, or rather, to him talking about the mysterious end of this character, Jean Frey.
00:31:22From an alchemical perspective, what do you think of this individual?
00:31:24Because you have remained there in the background talking about this man.
00:31:28Was he a con man who took advantage of a royal secret, or was he a real alchemist?
00:31:34Theoretically, he had a secret that had been given to him, but he, as such, it seems,
00:31:39He was apparently not an alchemist.
00:31:41He had not obtained that powder, that liquid with which he performed the transmutation, but rather it had been given to him.
00:31:46That's why he was so afraid of not making gold, of not becoming a gold factory.
00:31:51Because he didn't have the secret, he only had a small sample, that's my opinion.
00:31:56And would that dramatic ending also be typical of many stories related to alchemy?
00:31:59Yes, yes, it's typical, it's seen throughout history, they always end up like that.
00:32:03Dramatic ending. José María, Mar, of course, thank you both very much.
00:32:06As I was saying, Santi Camacho adds another piece of information to this strange chronicle.
00:32:11How did he die? How was he found? Why was he under so much pressure?
00:32:15Who was the supposed Count of Saint Germain afraid of?
00:32:21Richard Sanfrey's end was dramatic.
00:32:24According to those who knew him, the projection powder, the philosopher's stone with which he carried out his performances,
00:32:30One day it ended, and with it the luxurious lifestyle it had provided her.
00:32:35There were no more luxury cars, properties on the French Riviera, or holidays in exotic countries.
00:32:40His creditors were hounding him from all sides, so he had no choice but to commit suicide.
00:32:45He used carbon monoxide from his car's exhaust pipe and, in the company of his lover,
00:32:50Leaving a brief suicide note, he took his own life, taking himself to the grave
00:32:54the secret of the origin of this philosopher's stone.
00:33:00And we moved on from black and white images, from that deep Spain, from that remote time,
00:33:07to talk about exorcisms but in the 21st century.
00:33:09I know it seems surprising, but even the biggest Hollywood stars have said
00:33:14lately this word.
00:33:15We're talking, Carmen, good evening, about Gwyneth Paltrow.
00:33:18Good evening, Iker.
00:33:19Indeed, actress Gwyneth Paltrow has requested an exorcism be performed at her mansion
00:33:24from London, as he believes it is inhabited by evil spirits.
00:33:28Apparently, the actress and her husband, Cool Play vocalist Chris Martin, feel that in
00:33:33There is bad energy in their house, and that is why they went to the London Kabbalah Centre to ask
00:33:37that they exorcise her.
00:33:39Whitney asked ten men from this center to read a series of psalms and throw
00:33:44a rooster's comb.
00:33:46Rooster combs, which were animals highly venerated in ancient times, not only
00:33:50not to fight, but as an aphrodisiac.
00:33:53That's what some cultures tell us, and some of the most surprising ones, due to their continuous discoveries.
00:33:58In the last year, it has been the Mayan one.
00:34:01It's not very far away, but we know very little about them.
00:34:04The latest finding, as I say, is worthy of being highlighted.
00:34:07A group of archaeologists has discovered ten hieroglyphs in the Petén jungle of Guatemala.
00:34:13which would so far be the oldest known writing of this culture
00:34:17of the Maya.
00:34:18The hieroglyphs date from 200 to 300 BC and imply that the ancient Maya developed
00:34:24an advanced writing system, centuries earlier than previously thought.
00:34:28These are fine black paintings on white stone that depict symbols
00:34:33and you can even see what appears to be a hand holding a sharp instrument
00:34:38to draw blood.
00:34:40And we're quite used to the strange twists and turns of justice, but this thing that's going on
00:34:45Listen and see, this surpasses any fiction.
00:34:49Jesus Christ, just as you hear it, to the courts.
00:34:52A judge in the Italian city of Viterbo has taken a priest to court.
00:34:57to prove that the figure of Jesus really existed.
00:35:01It all began with a dispute that occurred between Luigi Cacioli, the seminarian who is described
00:35:06himself as the king of atheists and the priest Enrico Riggi.
00:35:10Cacioli decided to file a lawsuit in which he accuses the Catholic Church
00:35:15of the crime of identity theft, since he claims that the man who appears in
00:35:19The Bible is not Jesus, but John of Gamala.
00:35:22Jesus of Nazareth, always fascinating, always controversial, and always shrouded in mystery.
00:35:27It's very clear, after having seen Cuarto Milenio a few weeks ago, this figure
00:35:31It only increases the number of enigmas that surround it.
00:35:34Incidentally, there is also an enigma beneath the soil of Ireland, an archaeological enigma, Carmen.
00:35:39Two mummified bodies have been discovered there in some swamps that may be of an age
00:35:44over 2,300 years old.
00:35:46These are the mummies of an adult man and woman who lived during
00:35:50the Iron Age, whose bodies were found crushed and mummified due to the tissues
00:35:55They did not decompose over time because they were located in the middle of a swamp.
00:35:59According to specialists, they may have been victims of a ritual sacrifice, as they show some
00:36:05signs of torture.
00:36:06For example, the absence of some members in these two bodies.
00:36:10We're talking about mummies.
00:36:11Mummies continue to be a kind of mask from the other side.
00:36:14They remain a mirror that man observes with great fascination and at the same time with great fear.
00:36:19It is the bio-image of death.
00:36:21I remember a scene that has gone down in history.
00:36:23It's a hotel right in the heart of Cairo.
00:36:26There's Lord Carnarvon.
00:36:27He is dying from a strange illness.
00:36:30They say that in his delirium he said the following phrase.
00:36:33I heard his call and I'm going to him.
00:36:35For many, the curse of the pharaohs was beginning.
00:36:48Numerous pieces never before seen in Spain can be viewed until March at the canal foundation
00:36:52of Isabella II.
00:36:54Undoubtedly, the most attractive objects on display belong to the tomb of the pharaoh who most
00:37:00legends it has aroused since it was discovered in a distant November of 1922.
00:37:06Tutankhamun.
00:37:35Those who edit encyclopedias, magazines, and books say that there is one thing that never fails.
00:37:39Even though one issue or another of the magazines increases its sales considerably.
00:37:43Do you know when?
00:37:44When they place well-known images on the cover, such as the great funerary mask of the pharaoh king
00:37:51Tutankhamun.
00:37:52Precisely from this book by Nacho Ares, Tutankhamun, the last son of the sun, an absolutely
00:37:58incredible.
00:38:00Let me read you the following scene, because it's a scene that turned the tide.
00:38:04world.
00:38:04When filming an immortal scene, Howard Carter said, at first he couldn't see anything.
00:38:12The hot air escaping from inside the tomb made the lamp's flame burn
00:38:16would shake.
00:38:17But at that moment, as my eyes adjusted to the light, as if they were emerging from the
00:38:22From the fog, strange animals, statues, and gold slowly appeared.
00:38:27The gleam of gold everywhere.
00:38:30Lord Carnarvon could not stand the wait any longer and said to me, "Can you see anything?"
00:38:35The only thing I could say with words was, yes, wonderful things.
00:38:41Wonderful things.
00:38:441922, November, pure history, Nacho Ares, editor of the magazine Archaeology,
00:38:48welcome.
00:38:49A true story, an unforgettable moment that I imagine he's recreated a thousand times, right?
00:38:53Good evening, Icri.
00:38:54Just now, as you were reading it, I was getting goosebumps.
00:38:57because it is not only undoubtedly the most important moment in the history of archaeology,
00:39:03but a very important and prominent element of what is the history of man.
00:39:08You can consult any almanac from the history of humanity and the date of always appears.
00:39:131922 as the greatest discovery in the history of archaeology.
00:39:16Hey, is it true that Tutankhamun was one of the most insignificant pharaohs of
00:39:20all those who have lived in Egypt?
00:39:21Yes, he is famous almost exclusively for the discovery of the tomb.
00:39:25We must remember a virtually intact tomb, with more than 5,000 treasures, many of them
00:39:30made of gold, solid gold or gold-plated, which went around the world at that time
00:39:36so precarious that there were no media movements as intense as those of today,
00:39:41But from a historical point of view he was a pharaoh, barely a fork-shaped pharaoh,
00:39:46between the Amarna period, that of the famous Akhenaten, the heretic pharaoh, and the continuation
00:39:51from the time of the great gods of Amun.
00:39:54You said he was famous for the discovery of his tomb.
00:39:57I would add, allow me to say something more, and because of the supposed curse.
00:40:00Without a doubt. It's also never been known whether that's actually an element they added.
00:40:05English journalists, to further heighten the morbid fascination surrounding the story
00:40:11The discovery of the tomb, but it is true, and it is something that I have always
00:40:16argued that when science itself, Egyptology itself, investigates the possible
00:40:21cause of death of those people, in some way what is being done is
00:40:24to acknowledge the existence of a curse, whether it is by chance, or whatever we want to understand it to be.
00:40:29Let's try to find out, if you like, with Nacho Ares, I repeat, director of the prestigious
00:40:33archaeology magazine, author of books like these about Egypt, popularizer, passionate,
00:40:38Egyptologist, in the sense that he is revealing to us a new world within an old world, a world
00:40:44It fascinates us, it continues to generate enormous queues. It has happened, it is happening in Madrid.
00:40:49with the Pharaoh exhibition. Why does this culture appeal to us? What does it want to tell us?
00:40:53Why these codes? It seems we know how to read them even though we don't understand hieroglyphics.
00:40:58We continue to feel absolutely awestruck, just as the first men who arrived did.
00:41:03They went to Egypt and saw that strange writing they couldn't understand. It happened, as
00:41:07I mean, in Madrid, with the Pharaoh exhibition. Our colleague Luis Álvarez has toured it.
00:41:21Directly from Egypt, an exhibition called Pharaoh has landed in Madrid.
00:41:37Numerous pieces never before seen in Spain can be viewed until March at the canal foundation
00:41:41of Queen Elizabeth II. Undoubtedly, the most attractive objects on display belong to the Pharaoh's tomb.
00:41:48which has given rise to the most legends since it was discovered in a distant November of 1922.
00:41:56We have several things here from Tutankhamun. Above all, the most important piece, in terms of
00:42:03It is also the one that provides access to the exhibition here at the Canal de Isabel II, in terms of size.
00:42:09which is a sculpture of King Tutankhamun that was later usurped by Khorane. But we have
00:42:16also what was probably his bed, his real bed, not the bed
00:42:20which was used as a funerary ritual and grave good, not her own bed. We have some of her
00:42:27chests where some of their clothing and some of their most precious pieces were stored
00:42:37pretty.
00:42:38The Boy Pharaoh continues to attract the attention of men and women in the 21st century.
00:42:44The fabulous funerary goods and the enigmas surrounding his brief reign and death raise
00:42:49an interest that never fades. Observing these objects closely, we can imagine the impact
00:42:55From Howard Carter, the discoverer of the famous KV-62 tomb in the Valley of the Kings. A sensation
00:43:03magical upon encountering those golden figures that, like beings from another world,
00:43:08They watched from their dark, age-old silence. Archaeologists assure us that we have not yet...
00:43:14even scratching the surface. In Egypt, it's confirmed that 70% of the findings
00:43:19They still rest beneath the burning desert sands. We are certain that in this century
00:43:25The Pharaonic civilization still holds many surprises that may help decipher some of its secrets.
00:43:30of the mysteries that still surround it. Until this happens, Tutankhamun, the most
00:43:37Famous among all the kings of antiquity, he smiles from the other side, without revealing the
00:43:42The enigma of his alleged curse, aware that three thousand years after his death
00:43:47We're still talking about him. After all, doesn't that mean achieving the longed-for
00:43:54What immortality did the Egyptians seek?
00:44:04The enigma of the pharaohs' curse remains very popular. There are books that have
00:44:08More than 30 years ago, like Philip Vandenberg's The Curse of the Pharaohs, it was published
00:44:12in Spain a very long time ago. There are others that are much newer, like Immortals, by
00:44:16David Sentinella, they tell us about names, about surnames. Man, there are some very curious things.
00:44:20There's a moment, now we're going to tell you how the deaths are happening, but there's a moment
00:44:24which I find overwhelming, Nacho, and that's when Taga, the doctor in Cairo,
00:44:29On a day in 1962, he gives a lecture to explain that all the deaths from so long ago
00:44:33time, which caused so much fear in his people, were simply the fault of a kind of
00:44:38fungus, Aspergillus niger. Nacho gives the lecture, gets in the car, says
00:44:43that there is no curse and it is killed.
00:44:44That's true.
00:44:45The latest victim?
00:44:46No, not the last victim. Perhaps of the curse, yes, because there have been others since.
00:44:50Another type of person who has been affected by this microorganism, Aspergillus
00:44:57Niger, Aspergillus flavus. It was already known at the time, during the 20th century, as well
00:45:01It was called the curse, sorry, the Coptic disease, because it was a disease that they suffered from
00:45:07all those who worked with papyri from the Coptic period, from the Egyptian Christian period,
00:45:11from about 2000 years ago, and that, of course, from contact with organic elements of that time
00:45:16period, such as the papyrus itself, or in the case of Tutankhamun's tomb, all the
00:45:21Wooden objects, the food offerings that were still inside, that's where it all began
00:45:26Aspergillus, this fungus, is capable of remaining dormant for centuries in an environment
00:45:33completely sealed, which was the one found precisely in Tutankhamun's tomb, and then
00:45:37to reactivate upon contact with fresh oxygen. This was most likely the cause that affected it.
00:45:44to people like Lord Carnarvon, Douglas Derry, Arthur Ceméis, very direct collaborators
00:45:49from Tutankhamun's tomb, who died not as precipitously as Lord Carnarvon
00:45:55in 1923, but yes in subsequent years. Or also like Leffert, a Frenchman who was also a collaborator
00:46:02also from the expedition, which in a tangential way, shortly after visiting, well
00:46:06She suffered from fevers, the typical symptoms of this type of Aspergillus, and died a few days later.
00:46:13weeks. It's curious, Nacho, because the list is amazing. Let's go through the quantity
00:46:18of people who were dying, magnates of all kinds, who came like George I.
00:46:24Gould, who answered the call of Lord Carnarvon, the English industrialist John Wolfe,
00:46:29even Archibald Douglas Ray, the first to take x-rays, with modern techniques for
00:46:33At that time, in 1924, the mummy of Tutankhamun was discovered. Douglas Derry, the first professor of anatomy,
00:46:38The man who performed the autopsy on the mummy also died shortly afterwards, as Nacho Arthur said.
00:46:44Cimes, a lot of people, some even feverish with a strange madness, who
00:46:49They commit suicide, I think one of Lord Carnarvon's half-brothers, and that many of them already
00:46:54They think, they believe the curse is at work. Perhaps this was the worst part, wasn't it? The species
00:46:57of collective hysteria that was experienced in this matter.
00:47:00Well, we also need to break it down a bit or discern which people really have a
00:47:05direct link to the tomb. It is true that the official opening took place
00:47:11In February 1923, in the Sarcophagus Chamber, 20 people attended, mostly adults.
00:47:18Representatives of institutions, the government, and so on. You know the antechamber perfectly well.
00:47:23The chamber of Tutankhamun's tomb is very small, measuring only 10 meters long by 3 meters wide.
00:47:28And of those 20 people, after a few years, 13 died.
00:47:34Many years later, precisely by moving some of the pieces that we can enjoy today
00:47:39In Madrid, one of the trumpets wanted to stage a kind of grand opening for a series
00:47:44of works and it was decided, someone decided, defying the curse, to play one of the trumpets.
00:47:49They say that the truck transporting her immediately overturned and fell down an embankment.
00:47:53What we want, without straying from science, is to learn about, for example, that mysterious fungus,
00:47:58which is so often mentioned, Aspergillus niger, and which for some is the real cause
00:48:02of the famous curse of the pharaohs.
00:48:07There were many theories about the curse of the pharaohs, one that it was caused by viruses, another that it was...
00:48:11bacteria and another that were fungi. The fungal theory is just as strong as the other theory.
00:48:16of viruses or bacteria. Why? Because fungi, especially their spores,
00:48:21They can remain dormant for thousands of years, and when the lid of a sarcophagus is opened, they come out into the air.
00:48:27enter through the respiratory tract and take hold in that person. But this is just a theory.
00:48:32rather than remaining the same as if they were viruses or bacteria.
00:48:39But curses or supposed curses are not only found in ancient Egypt.
00:48:43Other places on the planet are also full of environments where strange things were worshipped.
00:48:49gods, and where others considered those places as centers of fear, of power,
00:48:53Terrifying. One of them is Cerro Sechín, in Peru. Our colleague was there.
00:48:59Juan Jesús Vallejo, reporter for Cuarto Milenio, who is here with us today.
00:49:03Juan Jesús, welcome.
00:49:04Hello good evening.
00:49:04Hey, who did you come with?
00:49:06Well, I've come with an authentic trophy head; it's a shrunken human head.
00:49:11of the Suar Indians, of the Jívaro people. Making trophy heads is something that was
00:49:16widespread among all the Andean and Upper Amazon peoples and that only
00:49:20The Jívaro Indians preserved it until very recently. Specifically, well,
00:49:25They killed their enemies and then shrunk their heads to place them on their elbows.
00:49:30in certain ritual festivals. Although there are places, as you rightly said, like Cerro
00:49:33Sechín, where there is a whole apologia for that ritual death and those trophy heads that
00:49:38If you want, we can talk about it now.
00:49:39Exactly. And we can discuss it with pictures, if you like, because this temple or this place
00:49:44strange, not very well known, not as well known as Machu Picchu or other places in Peru,
00:49:48It's truly terrifying, a place built on fear and where many of these strangers
00:49:54Gods, because they have those little heads hanging from their elbows. Juanje, it would be a place
00:49:58damned.
00:50:00Yes, the temple of Cerro Sechín is unique in the entire history of pre-Columbian cultures.
00:50:05and pre-Hispanic for a simple reason. It was very common in ancient America that
00:50:10There would have been ritual sacrifices. In contrast, at Cerro Sechín, what we can see on its walls
00:50:14It's an evolution of a warrior priest who, as he kills more and more people,
00:50:21Trophy heads are hung from his body, just like the one we have here in front of us now,
00:50:26And so his power grows. All of this, let's say, is divined by a constellation of stars.
00:50:31which is the Southern Cross, which appears on the helmet of that warrior priest. And well, I mean,
00:50:36It is not known exactly what kind of rituals took place there, of blood and cruelty, but above all
00:50:41We don't know what their purpose was, right? Because it was possibly, let's say, like a teaching tool.
00:50:46of fear and terror towards those who governed. In any case, it is true that the case
00:50:52Cerro Sechín is unique, not only in the history of America, but throughout the world.
00:50:55because there was never a temple where, let's say, such a scattering, and pardon the expression, was found.
00:51:00of viscera through its walls.
00:51:01Well, entrails, amputated limbs, torn-out tongues, a kind of artistic recreation
00:51:07that had never been seen before. In a place, Cerro Sechín, which we are contemplating with the
00:51:11Eyes always filled with wonder. One of those lesser-known places that's well worth seeing.
00:51:16Well, with a certain amount of caution. A cursed place, you, Juanje, have called it before.
00:51:19gate of hell.
00:51:21Yes, because, let's say, gods always have their sides, right? Even in ancient times
00:51:26Greek and Roman mythologies. But the case of Cerro Sechín, as I said before, is unique.
00:51:33Because the cruelty of the gods, let's say, reaches its peak. And I'll explain.
00:51:37In a second. The first known depiction of human sacrifice in America
00:51:41Latin America is specifically the Olmec culture around 1500 BC, where there is a person who
00:51:46His penis is cut off and he is paraded through fields planted with corn. And it is
00:51:50that
00:51:50Blood is the essence of life. However, in Cerro Sechín, blood is not the essence.
00:51:54In life, it is cruelty and violence that gives power to the one who carries it out.
00:52:00Then it's incomprehensible. Besides, Cerro Sechín doesn't have any cemetery nearby.
00:52:05nor any human settlement. It was a temple of power that stood right next to a
00:52:09Pu, from a mountain, from a mountain that is also a god, a sacred spirit, and
00:52:14It is not known why that place was built there and it is not known why there were caravans.
00:52:19People more than 3,000 years ago came to this place to continue their journey; it is unknown.
00:52:25What a sacrifice. And one curious thing that happens today is that the people of the Valley of
00:52:30Casma, where Cerro Sechín is located, on the coast of Peru, is not approached because of the
00:52:34They go to the temple at night because they say they hear the voices of the ancient gods, whom they worship.
00:52:39I'm still very scared. It's a really curious subject.
00:52:42I don't miss feeling that fear in a place like that. Juan Jesús Vallejo, thank you very much.
00:52:45friend.
00:52:45Thank you, Siqui.
00:52:46Amazing stories that haven't stopped, because Nacho is now in Turin, Egyptian Museum,
00:52:52Just three years ago, I believe, new information appeared in all the news agencies and teletype machines,
00:52:57Speaking of a new curse. What happened?
00:53:00The curse is a recurring theme that often appears in the media of
00:53:03a more or less continuous way. First there was the case you mentioned of Turin, where
00:53:08several people, closely linked to the museum's academic world, who worked there,
00:53:15or visitors, since they had suffered a series of illnesses, supposedly upon entering
00:53:20in contact with some of the pieces in this museum. The story was lost, like a
00:53:28summer snake, it was neither thoroughly investigated nor left as a mere anecdote.
00:53:34And we also found other cases, for example, in a museum in Holland, also a few years ago,
00:53:39Well, a couple of years ago, news also came out that a usepti, a funerary figure,
00:53:46mummiform, of the kind that were placed inside tombs, since it was placed in
00:53:50a display case, said the guards who watched over the museum at night, because it was moving,
00:53:56who made different movements. Egyptian culture has always been a culture that has been
00:54:00closely linked not only to the world of curses, but also to the world of the strange,
00:54:04of the unusual. To a certain extent, it is also a civilization that we currently know nothing about.
00:54:10in many respects. It must be considered that Egyptology, as such, is a science that barely has
00:54:15It has existed for more than two centuries and there are many elements to study within it.
00:54:20Yes, seeing a lot of mystery, and if you'll allow us, Nacho, director of the archaeology magazine,
00:54:25One day we will explore some of those mysteries with you.
00:54:27Whenever you want, Iker.
00:54:28And we ended up focusing on Spain as well, which makes sense. We shouldn't just talk about places.
00:54:32Very far away, that's the norm in the fourth millennium. There is one place, there are many, but there is one place
00:54:36What caught our attention was the eerie nature of its mummies. Mummies that appeared
00:54:42They were huddled together, locked in a tower, and many spoke of executions by the Inquisition.
00:54:47It's a bit of a taboo subject, because almost no one wants to talk about it. No one knows exactly where
00:54:52That's where those mummies ended up. They are the mummies of Llerena, in Badajoz. The researcher tells us about them.
00:54:58Gonzalo Pérez Arró.
00:55:03In 1964, a key date for the discovery of the Llerena mummies, a notary at the time,
00:55:12Antonio Carrasco, and two bricklayers, made one of the most surprising discoveries
00:55:18in the history of this town. When they demolished a wall of the Granada tower,
00:55:25From the church of Llerena, they discovered a large door which, after forcing it open, because it was difficult
00:55:30After a lot of work, they discovered something that certainly surprised them: more than 6,400 corpses.
00:55:38Before their eyes appeared a pile of bones, and among them, 40 mummies, who had expressions
00:55:45And some positions that caught their attention, because they appeared to have died. They had signs
00:55:49of pain, of suffering, and their postures also suggested that those deaths were not
00:55:55natural.
00:55:58There are mummies that aren't as well-known, but are equally awe-inspiring. This is the case with those that
00:56:04They are still hidden in certain catacombs of Palermo, Carmen.
00:56:07We traveled there, to Sicily. We immersed ourselves in the tunnels of death, in these catacombs.
00:56:13that, since 1599, which is the year in which the first body belonging to Silvestro was buried
00:56:18Gubio, a monk with a reputation for holiness, as there are already 8,000 bodies buried there. They are divided into
00:56:24various galleries. Some belong to men, some to women, some to children, some to monks, and also to
00:56:29various professions. It is known that some of them were even embalmed.
00:56:33thanks to different methods. This is the case of Rosalía Lombardo, a girl we are
00:56:38Seeing that he died at the age of two and his body was mummified in 1920 by the
00:56:44Dr. Solafía injected her with a series of chemical compounds, none of which were known.
00:56:49They've figured out the formula, but the truth is they've kept it unscathed through the passage of time.
00:56:54time.
00:56:54By the way, is there also a secret formula to explain some mysterious photographs?
00:56:58It is true that many are verified by our IT analyst and lose their
00:57:03Mystery, but others continue to retain their enigma in a very special way. This is an example.
00:57:08What do you have there, Carmen?
00:57:09Luisa sent us an amazing picture. She was returning from a trip with her husband; they were coming back
00:57:14From the mountains of Albacete, they decided to photograph the rearview mirror since it had been arranged with
00:57:18lots of ice, and when they got home and put the photo on the computer, they got a big
00:57:23Surprise. In the back seat, where no one was sitting, an effigy appeared, an effigy
00:57:28female. Our computer analyst says he has detected no signs of tampering.
00:57:32some in the photograph and there are two possibilities that could be given to obtain this.
00:57:38The first and simplest explanation would be that there really was someone behind it, something the viewer
00:57:43has completely ruled it out. The second possibility is that it's a tremendous optical illusion, but
00:57:48It must be really awful because you can even see the hair of this strange woman who has
00:57:54appeared in the back seat of a car.
00:57:56And this isn't the first time this has happened. There's one of the classic, old photos, one
00:58:00of the first ones that was labeled as authentic ghosts that also repeated the scene.
00:58:04A car and the back seat.
00:58:06In this case, it was Mrs. Price who was taking a snapshot of her husband in one of the
00:58:12cars. They were returning from visiting a relative in the cemetery and discovered, upon revealing
00:58:17the photograph, which had just come out in the back seat of his old car
00:58:23The likeness of a man. Mrs. Price identified it as her deceased father.
00:58:27many years ago.
00:58:28I'm sure that at first glance Mrs. Price thought that was a face
00:58:32diabolical, and that's precisely what we're going to talk about, devils or those who believe in them.
00:58:37Damn. Did you know there was a place in Spain called Balma in Castellón that they reached?
00:58:41Will 10,000 possessed people turn up? Yes. We're talking about a story from the heart of rural Spain, a case file
00:58:47X, little known and with many secrets yet to be revealed. Join us in search of
00:58:53The possessed of La Balma. In the mid-19th century, a rumor spread throughout
00:58:58the region and the rest of Spain. Every September, a group of women
00:59:04Dressed in mourning, with sallow complexions, cadaverous faces, and bony hands, nicknamed the Caspolinas, they bring out
00:59:11the demons of those who come to the sanctuary. But who were these old sorceresses?
00:59:32A monstrous dream of madness. That's how reporter Alardo Prats ended his report.
00:59:37September 1929 and had witnessed unforgettable images in the small sanctuary
00:59:43Castellón de la Balma, in the Maestrazgo region. Thousands of people who believed they would come there
00:59:48possessed by the devil, people who came as a last resort, seeking
00:59:52A healing. 80 years later, our reporter Francesco Contreras has traveled
00:59:57that place to try to find the trace of that old mystery.
01:00:02Even this hermitage, carved into the living rock, located between the regions of El Sports and Maestrazgo
01:00:08In Castellón, thousands of people used to arrive seeking desperate help. They all came
01:00:15with a single purpose: to expel the devil from their bodies.
01:00:26In the mid-19th century, a rumor spread throughout the region and the rest of Spain.
01:00:32During each month of September, a group of women in mourning, with sallow complexions, faces
01:00:38cadaverous and bony hands, nicknamed the Caspolinas, draw out the demons of those who
01:00:44They come to the sanctuary. But who were these old sorceresses?
01:00:52They are often called the witches of Caspe. They weren't exactly witches, I think...
01:00:58They were like hermits. Hermits live in the hermitage, and it's their way of life.
01:01:05They receive alms; thanks to them the hermitage is preserved, because when there is any spring,
01:01:10They fix a leak. And the Caspolinas, well, it was a kind of way of life for them
01:01:14They took advantage and set up the whole spectacle of this strange world, of the night,
01:01:24The silence, the tapes. And surely, I imagine they would also sing, they would have
01:01:31songs, joys, that would accompany all his performances.
01:01:38Seventy-five years later, the oldest residents remember those days of light and shadow.
01:01:43Under the protection of the bonfire. Joaquín Rollo was only 8 years old when the journalist
01:01:50Alardo Prats arrived in these parts causing quite a stir. He will never forget those events.
01:01:56terrifying scenes that I experienced alongside him. When I was afraid, it was when I came from
01:02:03On a night like tonight, I had to go and close the church door. Nobody knows for sure.
01:02:10certain at what moment the rugged mountains of the Maestrazgo first welcomed the
01:02:16Mass exorcisms. Delving into ancient history, we find that only legend exists.
01:02:22of Our Lady of Aparecida, an image that gave rise to a profound Marian devotion. Thousands of people came
01:02:29on a pilgrimage to the outskirts of the town of Zorita. The crowd gathered in the dark
01:02:35caves near the temple. Nobody moved. For hours, they remained huddled together like a
01:02:42An amorphous mass, panting and praying in a gloomy chorus. Thus began the fight against evil.
01:02:52Then, once inside the cave, they would take him before the Virgin and hold him there, or...
01:02:59They were holding him down. Who? The women from Caspe. And a curious thing is that they tied his fingers and...
01:03:08feet
01:03:08There are tapes through which the evil one, the demon, has to emerge. Because if the demon came out
01:03:16Through the eyes, the sick person could go blind, or healed but blind. And if it came out of the mouth, it could...
01:03:23To be left speechless, healthy but speechless. So what had to be done was to make the demon leave through the
01:03:29Ribbons tied around the fingers and toes. Chants, prayers, and bows knotted to
01:03:36Fingers and toes were not the only methods used to free oneself
01:03:41of evil to the supposed possessed. Other times they left the sick inside, both men
01:03:49like women locked up. And according to books from that time, they did what was considered proper for decorum and...
01:03:58They must not have been modest, let's imagine, what the poor sick people did there when they saw each other.
01:04:04free to vent their feelings in their own way. Pagan pilgrimages and liturgies that never were
01:04:10accepted by the church. And about which those responsible prefer to maintain a dense silence.
01:04:17Well, I don't know about that anymore because that was before the war and more than 70 years ago.
01:04:24I don't have any exact news.
01:04:28Despite the passage of time, it seems that the chants of the sorceresses still echo through the cracks and
01:04:34passageways of the cave. May they come out through his fingers. May they come out through his fingers of
01:04:41the feet.
01:04:42Even today, in this age of satellites and computers, many men and women still come in silence.
01:04:49to the sanctuary, convinced that only here will they be freed from that strange evil that torments them.
01:05:04As you can see, there are many different books, from different perspectives, with different criteria.
01:05:09who have tried to focus on the issue of the strange pilgrimages to the cave.
01:05:13Thousands of people and an ending, as we have seen, abrupt.
01:05:17Cut short by force of arms.
01:05:19I have another exceptional book,
01:05:21The demon of the cave.
01:05:23It was published by Alvar Monferrer,
01:05:25anthropologist, PhD in philosophy and letters,
01:05:27And I believe, and I don't think I'm wrong,
01:05:30one of the people who knows this matter best.
01:05:32We have it here, on Cuarto Milenio.
01:05:34Welcome, Don Alvar. Good evening.
01:05:36Good night.
01:05:37An impressive case of Ardo Prats.
01:05:39He saw images that shocked him deeply.
01:05:41We've been watching them.
01:05:42A magical place, the cave?
01:05:44The Balma is a magical place because it is a sacred place.
01:05:48In other words, it contains a whole series of conditions of human presence,
01:05:55of a presence, we might say, luminous, of a power, we might say, supernatural,
01:06:03which gives it a certain status, so that the visitor notices an experience that is not common in just any place.
01:06:11I know that you, because of your training, with all the work you have done at an ethnographic level,
01:06:17interested in his land, he is a skeptical man, logically.
01:06:19But it is also true that there are surprising cases.
01:06:23When they are examined one by one, at least one has to see the question they pose.
01:06:27Cases of children, of people who went there, like someone going to the last nail to cling to,
01:06:32and what they suffered.
01:06:34Professor, what was happening to them?
01:06:36The symptoms of the people, mainly women, who went to the cave,
01:06:42who called them possessed, also evil, that was the word that was used,
01:06:48evil ones, that is, referring to the demon that had supposedly entered them,
01:06:54The symptoms could be very varied.
01:06:56Most of them were simply hysterical.
01:07:00A disease that was very fashionable at the time, it had been studied by Charcot and Freud,
01:07:05and he had set up, that is to say, he was, we would say, practically out on the street.
01:07:10But there were also other types of mentally ill people, some surprising,
01:07:18like the little girl Rosarito, who stands out in my book, whom I describe, starting from...
01:07:24Rosario used Petit.
01:07:25Based primarily on what Alardo Prats said, and on what I later found out from other people.
01:07:32who had met her,
01:07:34And also, well, there are schizophrenics, there are people, we would say, well, schizophrenics of all kinds,
01:07:40I mean, there were people who were mute, but because they were schizophrenic,
01:07:44And there were others, then, with a schizophrenic's fantasy, even with aggression,
01:07:48In other words, schizophrenia is also a very variable disease; naturally, there were also people with strange illnesses.
01:07:55such as, for example, those afflicted by the evil eye or children,
01:08:01those children who, presumably, had also been given the evil eye by some witch.
01:08:09Our colleague Francisco Contreras has attempted to examine cases, such as this one involving Rosario,
01:08:13most surprising events that have occurred in La Balma over the last few years.
01:08:20In 1935, the last mass meeting of the possessed took place.
01:08:25More than 20,000 people visited the Sanctuary of La Balma,
01:08:28gathered by the unstoppable force of word of mouth, outside the law.
01:08:33The goal was clear: for the Gaspolina witches to save their souls from hell.
01:08:40Ignored by public opinion, until the arrival of journalist Alardo Prats,
01:08:44These pilgrims were the epicenter of all kinds of unusual phenomena.
01:08:49Because at that time it was assumed that if they were found to be mad, or fois, as it is said in Valencian,
01:08:56It was because the evil one, the devil, was inside them.
01:08:58And it had to be taken out, it had to be, it had to be spat out, thrown out, in order to be healthy.
01:09:04They are individuals already forgotten in the mists of time.
01:09:08Mariano Oliver, the possessed man of Caspe, who according to existing chronicles,
01:09:14He even levitated several feet off the ground in front of hundreds of people.
01:09:18Josefa Monterde, whose superhuman strength caused her to be bound hand and foot,
01:09:23while a hoarse voice, worthy of Satan, rose from his throat blaspheming the sacred images,
01:09:29and spitting at the attendees.
01:09:31Rosario Usopetit, a 12-year-old resident of Alquerías de Niño Perdido,
01:09:37who could see the future and possessed supernatural abilities.
01:09:41If we consider the possible typology of the individuals who went to the cave,
01:09:46First of all, we have a large number of hysterical women.
01:09:51These are the ones that actually received a benefit, if we can call it that.
01:09:57of the exorcisms of the Caspolinas.
01:10:01All experts agree that the vast majority of possessed people
01:10:05They were victims of suggestion and collective hysteria,
01:10:08unleashed and empowered by those witches in the middle of the dark grottoes of the cave.
01:10:13But perhaps there are a small number of cases
01:10:15for those for which science does not yet have a convincing explanation.
01:10:21There have been cases here that haven't had a real explanation,
01:10:25an explanation, let's say, a logical one,
01:10:28but they have existed and have been recorded as cures
01:10:33which no one has been able to explain, what caused them, so suddenly,
01:10:37even a neighbor from the hamlets of Niño Perdido,
01:10:40It is said, it is said, that he even levitated
01:10:43and he rose almost two hand spans off the ground.
01:10:46The robberies of the possessed ceased on the day
01:10:49that law enforcement intervened abruptly.
01:10:54Those rituals were never accepted by the ecclesiastical authorities.
01:10:58and in the face of the increase in the number of possessed people
01:11:00It was decided to put an end to the Reif affair.
01:11:03The commander of the Civil Guard, José Pitarch,
01:11:07He was in charge of putting an end to the exorcisms.
01:11:10The influx of people, mainly driven by the women from Caspe
01:11:15or driven by the Caspe women, it practically ended in 1932,
01:11:19when the government of the Republic prohibits all external religious manifestations.
01:11:25Time passes and after the war they tried to return to the sanctuary again.
01:11:30It was precisely at that moment when a Civil Guard officer
01:11:33placed in front of the door
01:11:36He said that phrase that has become famous
01:11:39No one, not even God, is allowed in here.
01:11:40and indeed from that moment on
01:11:42the caspolinas disappear
01:11:44and the phenomenon of the possessed
01:11:46it may follow other paths
01:11:48but not precisely the ceremonial one
01:11:51that had been held until then.
01:11:53Despite the time that has passed
01:11:55and of the silence imposed by weapons
01:11:57No one can forget those days.
01:12:01Not surprisingly, there are still many people
01:12:03who come to these places
01:12:05in search of one last miracle.
01:12:08Some come to ask for favors
01:12:10and others come to thank them.
01:12:12Proof of this is that in the room where the ex-votos are located
01:12:15We can see everything from communion dresses to wedding dresses
01:12:18even caps of Spanish sailors and soldiers
01:12:22who have been in the Gulf War.
01:12:25Something's still going on here
01:12:27Because otherwise, people wouldn't come with that spirit.
01:12:30of asking for the impossible.
01:12:49We are sharing this live investigation
01:12:52with Donalbar Monferrer
01:12:53Doctor of Philosophy and Letters
01:12:55Anthropologist, author of ethnographic works
01:12:57basics, recommended as
01:12:59The Sendemoniats of the Balma.
01:13:01One of those works that you read
01:13:03and can no longer think the same way
01:13:04I can't see this region the same way.
01:13:05And we are doing it with all due respect
01:13:07to the traditions,
01:13:09to ethnography, to anthropology,
01:13:11but also surprised
01:13:12because there it seems that some human beings
01:13:15They even managed to display some truly remarkable feats,
01:13:17prodigies.
01:13:17Donalbar is even spoken of,
01:13:18I don't know if it's an exaggeration or not,
01:13:20to speak in strange languages,
01:13:22levitations,
01:13:23a whole series of phenomena
01:13:24which even this reporter is reporting.
01:13:25One of the primordial rituals
01:13:28which is included in his book
01:13:29and in other books on this subject
01:13:30It was about casting out demons,
01:13:31spit out the demons
01:13:32through a tape.
01:13:34We find it very curious.
01:13:34What was Donalbar doing?
01:13:35The thing about the tape is curious.
01:13:37But the film is not exclusive to Balma.
01:13:39That is to say,
01:13:40the tape wrapped around a finger
01:13:43and making a bow
01:13:44which will then start jumping
01:13:46As it progresses, we would say,
01:13:49the exorcism process,
01:13:51This technique was common,
01:13:55For example,
01:13:55in Santa Orosia de Jaca,
01:13:58For example,
01:13:59during the San Misteri festivities in Cervera
01:14:02or in the corporals of Daroca
01:14:04or even in certain sanctuaries in Galicia.
01:14:07What was the exorcism process like, Donalbar?
01:14:09We could, even if briefly,
01:14:10of course,
01:14:11in very long exorcisms, right?
01:14:13What would it be like?
01:14:13Let's suppose he enters
01:14:14a supposed possessed woman in Balma.
01:14:18Okay, as soon as he gets there,
01:14:19She is accompanied by her family.
01:14:21until a little before
01:14:23upon entering the sanctuary
01:14:24They picked her up,
01:14:27rather,
01:14:28The witches collected it
01:14:29and they put her inside.
01:14:31Then the family members were left outside.
01:14:33We must not forget
01:14:34which were initiation rituals
01:14:36in which,
01:14:37naturally,
01:14:38Separation is fundamental.
01:14:40In this case,
01:14:41separation from family.
01:14:43They went inside,
01:14:44They gave him water to drink.
01:14:45from the holy water font
01:14:47through which a thousand hands had passed,
01:14:51and then they would take her,
01:14:54They undressed her
01:14:54and they began to rub him.
01:14:57They rubbed him down
01:14:58to the point
01:14:59that at a certain moment
01:15:00They arrived, then,
01:15:01to convulsions
01:15:04because sexually,
01:15:05naturally,
01:15:06They were already in ecstasy,
01:15:07so to speak.
01:15:08So,
01:15:09with these tremors,
01:15:11they disappeared,
01:15:12that is to say,
01:15:12the ties were untied
01:15:13And people were saying
01:15:14that for each tie
01:15:15that jumped
01:15:16He was a demon
01:15:17that came out of the person,
01:15:19demon that had to come out
01:15:20by the hands
01:15:21or by the feet
01:15:21and not because of sight
01:15:22because otherwise
01:15:23She would go blind.
01:15:25Good,
01:15:25once calmed down
01:15:26that person,
01:15:28They dressed her in new clothes,
01:15:29the old
01:15:30They put them in a hovel
01:15:31that there was
01:15:32next to the altar of the Virgin
01:15:34and then they burned them.
01:15:36It's curious,
01:15:36How long were exorcisms performed?
01:15:37Mr. Alvar?
01:15:38Because it seems that the shots
01:15:39They put a veto there
01:15:40to this story,
01:15:41to this great pilgrimage,
01:15:42thousands of people,
01:15:43But there are still
01:15:43even official exorcisms.
01:15:45As happens
01:15:46in other sanctuaries
01:15:47and how does it happen
01:15:47in other circumstances,
01:15:50exorcisms,
01:15:51we would say,
01:15:52Church officials
01:15:53they continued
01:15:54to the point
01:15:54that a beneficiary
01:15:55from Morella
01:15:56still performed
01:15:57to someone,
01:15:58to someone
01:15:59known,
01:16:01He did it
01:16:02after the year 40.
01:16:04After the year 40,
01:16:06official exorcisms,
01:16:07in this place
01:16:07that we wanted
01:16:08that they travel with us,
01:16:10a place,
01:16:11I assure you,
01:16:11because I've been there
01:16:12with Francis
01:16:12on some occasion,
01:16:13which surprises and overwhelms,
01:16:15a narrow place,
01:16:16But where have they gone?
01:16:16many things.
01:16:18It's one of those places
01:16:18where there has been
01:16:19many sensations,
01:16:20for some, madness
01:16:21for others, joy,
01:16:22for others, drama,
01:16:23for others of exorcism,
01:16:24and all that seems
01:16:25that remains concentrated there.
01:16:26A place of power
01:16:27where we have seen
01:16:28that some specialists
01:16:29absolutely rigorous,
01:16:30serious,
01:16:31skeptics like you,
01:16:32They say that, well,
01:16:33Something's wrong.
01:16:33If one of those places
01:16:34Something happens to the chosen ones,
01:16:35There will still be secrets,
01:16:36and there will continue to be
01:16:37what to write about the cave.
01:16:38Obviously.
01:16:39That is certain
01:16:41that they exist
01:16:42many phenomena,
01:16:43and we could now
01:16:44to name a few,
01:16:45There are many phenomena
01:16:46that science
01:16:47It doesn't explain.
01:16:48Still,
01:16:49likely,
01:16:50He will explain someday.
01:16:51and,
01:16:51until they are explained,
01:16:52They will not be rational.
01:16:55Until then,
01:16:56naturally,
01:16:56We have to accept them
01:16:57as if they exist,
01:16:58and try to explain them
01:17:00somehow.
01:17:01Well, you said,
01:17:02Don Alvar,
01:17:02a phrase that is worth
01:17:03headboard
01:17:04for this program,
01:17:04I won't say any more.
01:17:05Don Alvar Monferrer,
01:17:07Doctor of Philosophy and Letters,
01:17:08anthropologist,
01:17:09This is the type of guest
01:17:10that we like on Cuarto Milenio,
01:17:11like everyone who comes here,
01:17:13because they place a key emphasis,
01:17:14that is to say,
01:17:14Not everything has been discovered,
01:17:16And sometimes you don't have to leave
01:17:17to Alaska,
01:17:18to China,
01:17:18or to any other point
01:17:20remote corner of the blue planet.
01:17:21No no,
01:17:22in Castellón,
01:17:23in the province of Castellón,
01:17:24There is a sanctuary
01:17:25where thousands of people
01:17:26They found relief
01:17:28for their strange ailments.
01:17:29Don Alvar,
01:17:30thanks a lot
01:17:30for this visit
01:17:31to Cuarto Milenio.
01:17:32With you.
01:17:33And, if you agree,
01:17:34we're going to finish
01:17:36understanding
01:17:36that not everything is
01:17:37just because,
01:17:38It's not a coincidence,
01:17:39It's not by chance.
01:17:40There are usually magical areas
01:17:42in our country.
01:17:43Morella,
01:17:43very close to this sanctuary,
01:17:45it has always been
01:17:46a Templar enclave
01:17:47Worth a visit.
01:17:49We invite you to that route,
01:17:50so that they know
01:17:50the sanctuary of Balma,
01:17:51but also attend
01:17:52to this town
01:17:53absolutely wonderful,
01:17:55with fresh
01:17:56that will surprise you
01:17:57and with messages
01:17:58that still,
01:17:58as Don Alvar Monferrer used to say,
01:18:00They still haven't deciphered it.
01:18:04Yeah,
01:18:05Morella is,
01:18:05Of course,
01:18:06a land
01:18:07that contains
01:18:07in itself
01:18:08many mysteries,
01:18:09many stories,
01:18:10many anecdotes
01:18:11that in the course
01:18:13weather,
01:18:14having a past
01:18:15as deep as we have,
01:18:16well, obviously
01:18:17have been taking shape
01:18:18in various events
01:18:21because,
01:18:21Of course,
01:18:22This is a land
01:18:22which had its great splendor
01:18:24in the Middle Ages,
01:18:26in the Middle Ages
01:18:27and that afterwards too
01:18:28has had a moment
01:18:29very important
01:18:30in the 19th century
01:18:31where it was set
01:18:32of the Carlist Wars
01:18:34and from a moment
01:18:35of a great,
01:18:37let's say,
01:18:38tension also
01:18:39because it was a change
01:18:40important to society.
01:18:41Therefore,
01:18:42in all historical periods
01:18:44There have been,
01:18:44let's say,
01:18:46legends,
01:18:50and after having
01:18:51walked
01:18:51through the region
01:18:52of the mastership,
01:18:53after having felt
01:18:54the magic
01:18:54of the sanctuary
01:18:55of the Balma
01:18:55and his possessed ones,
01:18:57Let's analyze
01:18:58some of the images
01:18:59that arrive every week
01:19:00to Cuarto Milenio,
01:19:01that arrive in torrents,
01:19:02I would have to say.
01:19:03Some have
01:19:03double trick
01:19:05or even,
01:19:06I would say,
01:19:06riddle,
01:19:07Carmen.
01:19:07The screens
01:19:08of televisions
01:19:09They are giving us
01:19:10many surprises
01:19:11lately
01:19:11because in them
01:19:12effigies appear
01:19:13that they shouldn't
01:19:14of being there.
01:19:14Mercedes sent us
01:19:16this photograph
01:19:16taken more
01:19:1720 years old
01:19:18in which you can see
01:19:19to an elderly lady
01:19:20which he carries in his arms
01:19:21to a baby,
01:19:23but right behind
01:19:24the effigy appears
01:19:25of what appears to be
01:19:26a child.
01:19:27We have analyzed
01:19:28the photograph
01:19:29and by subjecting it
01:19:30to several filters
01:19:31we discovered,
01:19:32besides the face,
01:19:33parts of what would be
01:19:34the scene
01:19:34of an broadcast
01:19:35television,
01:19:36but also
01:19:36we have discovered
01:19:37an enigma.
01:19:38Precisely in the part
01:19:39lower,
01:19:40on the left margin,
01:19:41we see what we call
01:19:43the fly,
01:19:43that would identify
01:19:44to a private network.
01:19:46The enigmatic matter
01:19:47It does more
01:19:4820 years old
01:19:49this chain
01:19:50television
01:19:51It did not exist.
01:19:52How then?
01:19:52The logo appears
01:19:54in the photograph?
01:19:55Besides, it comes out
01:19:56On the other side,
01:19:57unless the photograph
01:19:58really
01:19:58is upside down.
01:20:00However,
01:20:01It's from 1978,
01:20:02there remained at least
01:20:0312 years old
01:20:03so that the broadcasters
01:20:04private
01:20:04they began to broadcast
01:20:05in Spain,
01:20:06so at least
01:20:07for now,
01:20:08mystery.
01:20:09Sometimes there are mysteries
01:20:10that also cross the sky
01:20:11and sometimes
01:20:11The camera captures them.
01:20:13Quintín,
01:20:14from the lagoon
01:20:14Tenerife,
01:20:15he sent us
01:20:15this image
01:20:16in which it seems
01:20:17to see an object
01:20:18unidentified steering wheel,
01:20:20but this object
01:20:21It wasn't like that.
01:20:22It is about
01:20:23in a flash
01:20:23on the lens
01:20:24of the camera
01:20:25due to the existence
01:20:26nearby
01:20:27from a spotlight
01:20:28intense light.
01:20:29The form it takes
01:20:30It's the flash
01:20:31or that reflection
01:20:32varies
01:20:32depending
01:20:33from optics
01:20:34used.
01:20:35In this case,
01:20:36chance
01:20:36has wanted
01:20:37that would take shape
01:20:38object
01:20:38unidentified steering wheel,
01:20:40But it is a light.
01:20:41So now you know,
01:20:42if they get
01:20:43that type of object
01:20:45disc-shaped
01:20:45or funnel-shaped
01:20:46even flying,
01:20:46It's not a UFO.
01:20:47The illusion fades,
01:20:49That's it,
01:20:49a luminous effect.
01:20:51Lighting effects,
01:20:52mysteries,
01:20:53everything you have
01:20:54They have to send it
01:20:55two-way contact
01:20:56now indispensable.
01:20:58Our email,
01:20:59as always
01:20:59It's open
01:21:00in
01:21:00fourth millennium
01:21:01at4.com
01:21:02and a section
01:21:03mail
01:21:0418189
01:21:05putting the code
01:21:07postal code 28080
01:21:08from Madrid
01:21:09to receive
01:21:10all the material
01:21:11that they love us
01:21:11you send
01:21:12and that we
01:21:13we will analyze.
01:21:14And speaking of photographs,
01:21:15I would like that
01:21:16not to miss the appointment
01:21:17next week
01:21:18because the case
01:21:19that we are going to analyze
01:21:20It's surprising,
01:21:21I would say that
01:21:21terrifying even.
01:21:22The images
01:21:23that a family obtained
01:21:24from the province of Ávila
01:21:25in a cemetery
01:21:26have been the reason
01:21:27a headache
01:21:28for this team
01:21:29for a long year.
01:21:30Computer analysts,
01:21:31photographic,
01:21:32members of the forces
01:21:33security
01:21:33have tried
01:21:34unravel the mystery
01:21:35of three mysterious girls
01:21:37that appear in the middle
01:21:38out of nowhere
01:21:38next to some graves.
01:21:40We will try to find out
01:21:41the whole truth
01:21:41for you.
01:21:42You already know,
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