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00:00:19Welcome to Fourth Millennium. Tonight we will attempt to unravel some of the great mysteries.
00:00:24of Christianity. We will try, for example, to reveal whether the Shroud of Turin is the
00:00:28Scientific proof of the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. We will also visit a small town.
00:00:33French, where the authentic Da Vinci Code is hidden, Renly Chateau. And finally, we will try
00:00:38to unveil the secrets that still remain in one of the most important artistic works of all time
00:00:43Times. We're talking about Leonardo da Vinci's Last Supper. The great Renaissance genius Leonardo da Vinci
00:00:51He filled his masterpiece with enigmatic clues and riddles. The Last Supper is replete with codes.
00:00:56Secrets that may reveal a great truth hidden for centuries. A truth we have now begun to uncover.
00:01:03to understand. The Shroud of Turin continues to be a great scientific challenge. To this day, experts do not
00:01:10They've just reached an agreement. For some, it's the supernatural mark left by the body of
00:01:14Jesus. For others, however, he is a medieval fraud. What truth lies hidden in this enigma?
00:01:21Relic? Unpublished documents on the genealogy of Jesus of Nazareth, altered tombs,
00:01:27Hidden treasures, strange deaths. What secrets did the French town of Renly Chateau hold?
00:01:33Why did a rural priest become rich overnight?
00:01:38Five centuries ago, a universal genius like Leonardo da Vinci captured in a wonderful mural a
00:01:45A series of enigmas that still await solution. Experts speak of the greatest riddle of the
00:01:50Art history. A world of codes, mysteries, and secrets. Some say that
00:01:57There was even a message worth deciphering in modern times. Leonardo was capable of that.
00:02:03And much more. I invite you to discover the secret dinner.
00:02:09It is one of the most admired artistic representations of all time. And without
00:02:14However, it still remains largely unknown, holding within its depths secrets that almost
00:02:19No one has been able to decipher the depiction of the Last Supper that Leonardo da Vinci painted.
00:02:24The Cenacle in Milan continues to attract thousands of curious visitors who try to decipher the
00:02:29keys that the great Renaissance master scattered throughout the work with some motivation that is still
00:02:34He doesn't know. The absence of the Holy Grail, the presence of the one many claim is Mary
00:02:41Mary Magdalene alongside Jesus of Nazareth, and the symbols and codes that seem to embody a
00:02:46a very different idea of the church, they represent an exciting challenge that perhaps reflects a
00:02:51A message eternally hidden and forbidden by official circles. Perhaps the time has come.
00:02:57to learn about those heretical enigmas surrounding Leonardo da Vinci's Last Supper.
00:03:03And we're talking about a secret dinner, not a last supper, as might be expected, perhaps motivated by...
00:03:10because of the enormous success of a dear colleague, a friend, a journalist, precisely with a
00:03:15A novel based on entirely true events, titled The Secret Supper. Javier
00:03:21Sierra. An unprecedented success that deserves to be remembered. In the United States
00:03:27A launch is being prepared unlike anything ever seen before for a book by a Spanish author, no more and no less.
00:03:31Less so. And with this topic that seems to touch a nerve, the archetype of all the
00:03:37Humanity. People wonder why The Da Vinci Code has resonated with so many people.
00:03:41From so many different cultures, from so many countries, from different economies. Why have they felt
00:03:46The call of the mystery of Leonardo and Jesus of Nazareth? It's another mystery. Javier Sierra,
00:03:51Welcome, good evening. Good evening. America at your feet, it has to be said. Well,
00:03:55America is very interested in these kinds of issues. What everyone thought until a few months ago...
00:04:00The world, all the literary critics, said it was a passing phenomenon, this interest
00:04:04Because of the mysteries connected in one way or another with Jesus and his surroundings, it was something
00:04:09What would happen, now it is almost becoming a literary genre in its own right.
00:04:13It's not just The Da Vinci Code, it's not just The Secret Dinner or The Secret Shaper, which is
00:04:17as it will be titled there, but, for example, Anne Rice, the famous writer who has made
00:04:21His vampire saga has suddenly changed course and now begins with a series of
00:04:27novels entitled Jesus the Lord, Jesus the Lord, which will soon arrive here as well
00:04:32to Spain and who talk about how much these issues impact and interest them.
00:04:36And I'm sure that the viewers of Cuarto Milenio, listening to and watching Javier Sierra
00:04:41So excited about this monumental artistic marvel, they'll say, well, but what secrets
00:04:45Are there any? What hidden codes are lurking in the shadows? Let's try to analyze it.
00:04:50Let's try to delve into this artistic puzzle. We see Leonardo, of course,
00:04:54He couldn't be missing, a great universal genius, capable of doing all kinds of things, many of them
00:04:58unknown, we only know a part, as always happens with great men and
00:05:02Women of history, but we have the place, Javier. We have a secret dinner by a miracle.
00:05:06Yes, miraculously. This photograph was taken during World War II, just before
00:05:11that the Allies decided to bomb the city of Milan, to raze it to the ground in order to pressure
00:05:17Mussolini at the Midpoint of the War. We are talking about August 1943. The monks of
00:05:22Santa María de la Gracie, knowing that her convent could be a target for bombs,
00:05:27They decided to preserve it. There, look, you see the sandbags with the scaffolding for protection.
00:05:32The last supper as it was in that month of August 1943. Hours after it was taken
00:05:38This photograph shows the tragedy. A 2,000-kilo bomb fell in the Cloister of the Dead.
00:05:44about 10 meters from where the Last Supper is located. It destroyed everything, as we see in
00:05:49image.
00:05:50And the wall remained, nothing more.
00:05:51The wall remained. That's the second miracle, because there was another one. Hours before it fell
00:05:55This bombshell causes the prior of Santa Maria de la Gracie to wake up in the middle of a nightmare.
00:06:00Bathed in sweat, he decided to wake up his entire community, about 15 friars, and take them out
00:06:06everyone from the convent to the air-raid shelter that existed on Corso Mallenta, on the street that
00:06:11I was passing by the convent. It was a visceral, spontaneous reaction, which some still remember.
00:06:17They remember, because there are still survivors from that place. And what happened was that thanks
00:06:22That dream, and having taken him out of the convent, saved his life, and miraculously he was saved.
00:06:27The wall, which, as you can see, was left in a very deplorable state of conservation.
00:06:32Regrettable.
00:06:33For the first time in five centuries, the last supper had been exposed to the elements.
00:06:38It was already poorly preserved, very dark, as you can see. This is from the beginning of the work on
00:06:42restoration. You can see that it's already becoming clearer here. It's all dark here. However, afterwards
00:06:47of 20 years of work, between 1977, when the restoration work began, and 1997, when
00:06:56They finished, and the result was tremendous. We can see the following image, which we will see completely.
00:07:02restored.
00:07:03We are therefore talking, Javier, about a painting that not only has, let's put it that way,
00:07:07secret internal documents within its bowels, but a kind of premonition, precognition,
00:07:12a kind of luck, a stroke of luck, as the Muslims would say, that accompanies this story.
00:07:15Well, almost. Because, for example, when Dan Brown published his code
00:07:19da Vinci, or all the esoteric interpretations of the Last Supper are published, is done by studying
00:07:26This work before its restoration. Many details were lost. As a result of the restoration,
00:07:31We know much more. In recent years, from '97 onwards. For example, one thing
00:07:35that no one had noticed. That the work is divided into two clearly differentiated sections.
00:07:41The sector of shadows and the sector of light.
00:07:44Gee.
00:07:44We see one area darkened and another absolutely luminous, which in the work before the restoration
00:07:49It wasn't noticeable. How curious. Because in the center, the axis of light and shadow,
00:07:55It is none other than Jesus of Nazareth, who for the first time in the history of art,
00:08:00We see him in a very strange pose, Iker. For the first time in the history of art, Jesus
00:08:05He is not consecrating the sacrament of the Eucharist. The Last Suppers were held to consecrate,
00:08:10to immortalize that moment when Jesus instituted bread and wine as the elements
00:08:15of the Eucharist. Here neither the grail appears, nor does the sacred host, the consecrated host.
00:08:21In their hands. Did you hear correctly that there is no grail at the last supper?
00:08:23The evidence speaks for itself.
00:08:24But there are some small cups that remind us more of regular glasses.
00:08:28that we all have at home and that, well, don't seem worthy of being at that dinner, do they?
00:08:32Glass vessels like this one, identical, which were used by the monks of Santa
00:08:36María de la Gracie at that time, because it's the trousseau of the era. But look, there's another one
00:08:41Another striking element. The Last Supper is a riddle. Leonardo presents it as
00:08:46A riddle. Leonardo says that instead of drawing inspiration from common scenes to paint the Last Supper,
00:08:53It is based on a phrase from the Gospel of John in which Jesus announces to the twelve that among
00:08:57They have a traitor. But who is the traitor? Up until that moment, one could find
00:09:03Judas, because the apostles all had a halo of sanctity, but the traitor himself...
00:09:09He didn't have it said. Here, on the other hand, look, nobody has a halo of sanctity. Not even Jesus.
00:09:14The Virgin of Nazareth has an aura of sanctity. But there's something more, something ambiguous, something that I
00:09:19I would say it's almost sinister, because there's a weapon in the upper room that's in the hands of
00:09:25Someone who appears to be the real traitor. Let's remember Juan's words, "One of you."
00:09:29"He will betray me," which is the one this character holding a knife is saying, do you see it?
00:09:33Yes, yes, perfectly.
00:09:34It is the only weapon in the Upper Room. We see here, for example, the apostle Andrew with
00:09:39his hands raised as if a knife were stabbing him in the stomach, that is to say,
00:09:45which is an aggressive weapon. And if we look at the next image, we see that with the other hand, this same
00:09:51The disciple, this Peter, makes a gesture as if to grab John by the neck, threatening him.
00:09:58And Juan would be one of the characters who has generated the most ink, it may sound like a
00:10:03energy on a day like today and nothing could be further from our intention. We are analyzing a
00:10:06The enigma is there, the questions are there, and people are asking themselves as a result.
00:10:10of publishing successes such as Javier Sierra's secret dinner or the Vinci Code.
00:10:14Some people say that this somewhat effeminate character is not Juan, but the great shadowed one.
00:10:20of the history of Christianity.
00:10:21I would like us to keep this image here for a moment because it's something to discuss.
00:10:26background. Indeed, this character, who is Juan and who is threatened by this, who
00:10:30I have said that it is Pedro, that is, the traitor of the weapon, according to Leonardo, who is causing
00:10:36The central concern throughout the work is Peter, not Judas. This character has a feminine appearance.
00:10:42which, as a result of the restoration, not only did not disappear, but became more pronounced. Leonardo
00:10:47He undoubtedly used a woman to paint Juan. Although this, Iker, however strange it may seem to you
00:10:54It seems to our viewers that this is not unusual. That is to say, many painters of the time, like Guirlandallo,
00:11:00And so many others used young girls to paint John because young girls,
00:11:06The teenage girls gave them a greater sense of purity. And Juan was the youngest of the
00:11:10Among the disciples, the purest was the beloved disciple. And they used female role models such as
00:11:15The one that was used to paint Juan. Does that mean that the girl who is in the
00:11:20Does the Last Supper represent Mary Magdalene? I don't think so, but for a simple reason.
00:11:26Because if this were Mary Magdalene, we should ask ourselves where John is in
00:11:31the last supper.
00:11:32Some people say, perhaps it's the most widespread theory, the one that has caused endless
00:11:37Despite controversies in various parts of the world, there are those who claim that Mary Magdalene was indeed painted. And there are those who
00:11:41It goes further, the theories of Da Vinci's Codex, which precisely that image of the
00:11:45The more orthodox or official church attacks that other church that ended up perishing.
00:11:49to that other church of the lost messages, to that other church of the woman, where Mary
00:11:53Some even claim that Magdalena may have been Jesus's governess in some way.
00:11:57And some also point out, I don't know if this is heresy or not, that there was a relationship
00:12:00much more intense than the gospels let us see.
00:12:03There is something truly sensational. Leonardo da Vinci, after his time in Milan,
00:12:08When he painted The Last Supper, he took refuge in France. He lived there for a time.
00:12:15in the area, let's say, of southern France up to the castle of Amboa, which was where
00:12:19He finally died in 1509. And that whole period of Leonardo's last years is the area
00:12:25that harbors a sensational heresy, a heresy for the Orthodox Church, a legend, or even
00:12:33Something that seems plausible to millions of people around the world today. And that's because
00:12:37After the death of Jesus, Mary Magdalene and John, this disciple, fled to those
00:12:43lands to protect the true message of Jesus, the true church of Jesus.
00:12:49And it's curious because in that painting, or in that mural by Leonardo da Vinci, there is Peter, the one who
00:12:56It embodies the old church, the Orthodox church, attacking the church of the Spirit, the church
00:13:01Juan's. There's no more perfect metaphor from a graphic point of view than this. Although it is full of enigmas.
00:13:08We need to talk, undoubtedly the most important one, the one that inspired me to
00:13:12This is how to write the secret dinner.
00:13:14That face?
00:13:15Yes. We're on the far right of the Last Supper and there are three characters who don't lend themselves
00:13:22Pay attention to Jesus. This is very striking. They're like they're gossiping, like they're chatting amongst themselves.
00:13:26Yeah.
00:13:26They turn their backs on Jesus. They are more preoccupied with each other than with paying attention to Jesus.
00:13:32announcing at this moment that there is a traitor at the table. The one in the center is, without a doubt,
00:13:37Without a doubt, it's Leonardo da Vinci. It's a self-portrait of Leonardo. He made it to replace
00:13:43to Jude Thaddeus. It was very common at that time for artists to portray themselves or be portrayed.
00:13:49to other artists, or to famous people, or to patrons of the period in their great works of art. Well
00:13:54Well, Leonardo chooses Judas Thaddeus to paint himself, but he does so in an attitude of
00:14:01clear contempt for Jesus, that is, turning their backs on him and paying more attention to this
00:14:05character. During the three years I spent researching for the secret dinner, what I discovered
00:14:11It was sensational. That this character, who is Simon, the apostle Simon, was actually Leonardo
00:14:17He was inspired by a marble bust that was venerated in Florence, the city where Leonardo
00:14:25He learned all his painting techniques in the place where the Renaissance was born, which is
00:14:29The Academy, the Academy of Cosmas the Elder, and that marble bust is of Plato.
00:14:36Giorgio Vasari, the last biographer of Leonardo da Vinci, who writes a portrait of the genius
00:14:42A few years after Leonardo died, it was said of him that he valued being a philosopher more.
00:14:48that he was a Christian and that his ideas were very heretical.
00:14:50Total heresy, of course.
00:14:52Here we have it. If my theory is correct, Plato's teachings are held in higher esteem.
00:14:57in one corner of the table, the teachings of Jesus in the center of the table.
00:15:02All of this in the Cenacle, which, as we said before, is being visited by, well, a
00:15:08A huge number of people want to see these codes. There's one that's almost endearing.
00:15:12Right? To demonstrate that the riddle reaches levels that are almost, well, so precise that there are
00:15:18Look at that knot, right? A knot in the tablecloth. Let's see if we can spot it. There it is.
00:15:22Yes, Leonardo would be up here. These would be the hands of Simon or Plato.
00:15:27According to my interpretation. But look at this knot, which is in a corner. It's very
00:15:32Striking. It's a perfect knot, very well tied. Well, Leonardo became obsessed with the matter.
00:15:36of knots. He, for example—this is very little known—shared his passion for knots.
00:15:42knots and the meaning of knots, for example, with Dürer. Dürer went to study
00:15:47with Leonardo, who was already an important figure at the time. But what I think happens
00:15:52Here, I don't believe it myself, art historians believe it, who at the beginning of the 20th century...
00:15:57They deciphered that Leonardo signed in code, using a hieroglyph in the sense of
00:16:03This work of art is a visual puzzle. What could that knot mean, Javier?
00:16:07Well, it's very easy. Knot in Italian, in the Italian that was spoken at that time,
00:16:13In the 15th century, it comes from the word víncoli. And phonetically, víncoli is practically
00:16:19Identical to Vinci, Leonardo's birthplace. In an era when the great masters
00:16:24They never signed their works of art; one recognized them by their talent, but not by their signature.
00:16:30The signature wasn't the important thing; Leonardo was ahead of his time again and signed it in
00:16:35a riddle, so that whoever was attentive could find the master's footprint.
00:16:40Javier Sierra, thank you so much and we're not surprised by your success, best of luck on your North American tour.
00:16:45An international success and a source of pride for all Spanish writers. Best regards, Javier.
00:16:49Thank you.
00:16:51What we're going to do on Cuarto Milenio is chase the Holy Grail, right? You heard me right.
00:16:56Because there is a Holy Grail, and it's kept in Spain. Could it be the real one? Could it be the missing one?
00:17:00at the Last Supper? Let's try to find out the opinion of the caretaker of the Chapel of the Saint
00:17:05Grial, Jaime Sancho, from the Cathedral of Valencia.
00:17:08The Holy Chalice is documented in the region of Huesca, in northern Huesca.
00:17:14He reaches the Echo Valley, fleeing the Muslim invasion, and returns again.
00:17:20towards Jaca, he finally resides, staying in San Juan de la Peña at least since the 16th century
00:17:25XI and then it passed to the Crown of Aragon, to the Royal Palace of Zaragoza. The will is included
00:17:33Martin the Humane died in Barcelona, but it is not certain that he was in Barcelona.
00:17:37At the time of the king's death, he may still have remained in Zaragoza. Then, Alfonso
00:17:42The Magnanimous, who is the second successor of Martin the Humane, moves the capital of
00:17:48He returned to the Royal Palace of Valencia and brought all the relics to his chapel in the Palace.
00:17:53Real.
00:17:54Jaime Sancho, caretaker of the chapel where the Holy Grail is kept, who knows if it's the real one
00:18:00of the Last Supper. By the way, we send them a big hug because of their dedication and how
00:18:05The way they treated the Cuarto Milenio team is worth noting. There are two points in
00:18:10This country, San Juan de la Peña in Huesca, and that Cathedral of Valencia where it is said that
00:18:15The real one passed through and the Holy Grail is still there. That same missing cup from the famous
00:18:20Leonardo da Vinci's painting, which Leonardo stole for some enigma that we have not yet been able to solve.
00:18:26To resolve. Incidentally, our reporter, Francisco Contreras, was at both locations.
00:18:30And he's just arrived. Francisco, good evening.
00:18:32Good evening, newcomer.
00:18:33What's that you have there?
00:18:34The Holy Grail, venerated and kept in the Cathedral of Valencia. Perhaps a piece
00:18:40religious, the most sought-after throughout history, and worshipped there. You were talking
00:18:45Two points of interest: San Juan de la Peña and Valencia with the Valencia Cathedral. San Juan de la Peña
00:18:50Because that's where the first documentation about the Holy Grail appears. It's no coincidence that almost all
00:18:56Medieval literature, with Wolfram's Percival, arises because it is worshipped there,
00:19:01in a small monastery, San Juan de la Peña, and in the Cathedral of Valencia because that is where
00:19:06The relic has been located there since 1916. What is so important about it, or what makes it different?
00:19:12How does this relic compare to any other we might find in Spain and outside of Spain?
00:19:16In 1959, Antonio Beltrán, Professor of History at the University of Zaragoza,
00:19:21He conducts a study at the request of Marcelino la Echea, this same study, and its conclusions
00:19:29They are spectacular. What this archaeological study says, after examining all the
00:19:35The pieces were disassembled by a jeweler from Valencia, and the entire relic was photographed.
00:19:41From top to bottom, that is, the top part, what this is, archaeologically, historically,
00:19:49It would correspond to the time of Jesus of Nazareth. And the bottom part is different, it's another one.
00:19:52Something attached, isn't it? Both the knot and the handles, which we can see here, are an addition.
00:19:56Furthermore, that addition dates from the 13th-14th century; it was added in San Juan de la
00:20:01The rock face, and the base itself, which is quite curious, is in an Arabic style, with a detail that reveals
00:20:07Antonio Beltrán, a small inscription, who is Lil Zahira, the one who gives light.
00:20:12The one who gives light. Curiously, both literary versions speak of a cup with a strange
00:20:18Inscription, Lil Zahira, the one who gives light. The one who gives light, and it was kept in San Juan de la
00:20:24Peña and later in Valencia. We have statements from Mr. Antonio Beltrán, that
00:20:29The professor who scientifically examined this relic, who knows if it is the most sought-after
00:20:34throughout history.
00:20:35You can be sure that this is a product of a workshop in Alexandria or Antioch,
00:20:43from the Near East, from no earlier than the 3rd century BC and after the 3rd century AD
00:20:49later, that it was manufactured here and that, undoubtedly, it belonged to the tableware of a rich man, of a
00:21:04which then corresponds to a traditional period of transmission of the chalice, until it arrived
00:21:11to San Juan de la Peña or wherever it might arrive, because then everything that is said about the chalice will be irrelevant.
00:21:19It is purely traditional. The object can be divided into three parts. A cup, which is the
00:21:27authentic vessel of the chalice, which is this one I am now pointing to with my hands,
00:21:34Then an addition, which are the handles that appear in the paintings of Juan de Juanes and in the
00:21:42traditions, and then a second addition, which is the turnip or the knot of a very fine material
00:21:50of goldsmithing, of gold, and all of that appears arranged, the cup placed on another boat, another
00:22:04In the container, which I found with great astonishment and great joy, I found an inscription
00:22:11which is read as al-sahira in Arabic.
00:22:16Incidentally, the Holy Grail, as is normal, has filled the dreams and desires of many.
00:22:21Great and powerful men of history. Did you know that, no more and no less than
00:22:26Himmler, Adolf Hitler's deputy, arrived in Montserrat trying to find the clue that
00:22:32Did it indicate that the precious cup could have been there? For example, do you know that in Cuarto Milenio
00:22:37We are always surrounded by documents, by pieces of history, Otto Rahn, one of the
00:22:40The most prominent SS officers, he wrote, Crusade Against the Grail, The Tragedy of Catharism,
00:22:46He died under strange circumstances, and he was also pursuing that cup, as if it had a power
00:22:50Special. They say the Cathars saved that secret. Those Cathars immersed in the flames,
00:22:56Burned by Christians, they say four of them were saved by a relic in a kind
00:23:00From a saddlebag or a sack. For some, it was a well-kept secret, the Holy Grail. That grail
00:23:05which we might have here in Spain. By the way, Carmen, good evening. What doesn't decrease in any
00:23:10The current passion is for The Da Vinci Code. Javier Sierra said that many believed it was a phenomenon.
00:23:14Seasonal. Not at all, what's coming now is tremendous.
00:23:17Good evening, Iker. Yes, for the first time we can show the images, the very first ones available.
00:23:22from that movie trailer that's sure to be a box office hit in 2006,
00:23:28The Da Vinci Code. A film directed by Ron Howard and starring Tom Hansen
00:23:33in the role of the American professor Robert Landon and Audrey Tattoo, the people of the government
00:23:38French Sophie Nerud. The film, based on Dan Brown's bestseller, begins with a spectacular
00:23:44Murder at the Louvre Museum. All eyes are on a covert religious organization.
00:23:49We will have to wait until next May to see these shocking images in full.
00:24:03And another great mystery, without a doubt, is the painting that rivals this one in terms of mystery,
00:24:08The Mona Lisa. Now, thanks to a new computer program developed by scientists
00:24:14From the University of Amsterdam, we can decipher that enigmatic smile that has caused so much confusion.
00:24:19to thousands of people. And, according to this computer program, the Mona Lisa is laughing with happiness.
00:24:26Furthermore, he has given more specific data, stating that 83% are happy and 9% are angry.
00:24:326% are fearful and 2% are enraged. Apparently, this electronic system...
00:24:39The device developed by these scientists measures and recognizes emotions, as well as analyzes them.
00:24:44the facial features of this mysterious woman and her smile.
00:24:5083% happiness. That's what computers do, of course. If someone took a picture of us right now,
00:24:55What percentage would we have that was happy or angry? Ah, a mystery. By the way, a mystery.
00:24:59From the field of computing, the one in that photograph. One of the clearest we've received in
00:25:03Fourth Millennium. We once again thank everyone for their tremendous support, the thousands of documents
00:25:07Graphics, film footage. This deserves to be discussed in detail, Carmen.
00:25:10David sent it to us from Valencia. They were at a birthday celebration.
00:25:16On March 16th and 18th, they don't remember very well, about 6 years ago, when something that shouldn't have happened
00:25:22Being there appeared on television. A smile, a child, something appeared there and nobody.
00:25:28Nobody knows him. At first, they thought it might be a developing error. Even
00:25:34They asked at the store where those copies were made and were told there hadn't been any.
00:25:38No mistake. We've analyzed that image, Iker, and the truth is, we were left speechless.
00:25:43We're a little shocked. It's impressive, it's perfectly clear.
00:25:46No photographic retouching is visible. Nor are there any indications to suggest that the
00:25:50The television was connected. No banding or scanning lines were observed on the image.
00:25:55of the face that appears on that television. No television image is visible.
00:26:00nor any of the flies, which is what we call those brands that say in what
00:26:05We found ourselves in a chain. There's nothing there. That child didn't have to be there, but he appeared.
00:26:10with that enigmatic smile.
00:26:13Smiles that fill the blood from time to time. Many photographs are being sent to us.
00:26:16where on the television screen, a face appears and the television
00:26:20It was completely off. We went from television, from the current digits of the
00:26:2521st-century technology, applied to something much older, to an antique canvas. There are those who
00:26:30He says it was built in the shape of a fish tail, as they did in Judea in the 16th century.
00:26:34I. Mysteriously, the image of a man appeared projected. After two thousand
00:26:39Years and thousands of attempts, no one has been able to replicate it with such unparalleled similarity, of
00:26:44The same way, with that same precision. We're talking about a man who some say...
00:26:47It is Jesus of Nazareth. We are talking about a relic that was visited not long ago.
00:26:51before his death, by John Paul II. We are talking about the shroud, the holy cloth.
00:27:32I confess that it was one of the strongest impressions I have ever received in my entire life.
00:27:36It was at the precise moment we obtained permission to view the last ostension of
00:27:42The Shroud of Turin. Ostension is the process of displaying something to the public that is done from time to time.
00:27:46When, in the Turin Duomo. Honestly, I went there with a preconceived idea that perhaps
00:27:52that it was a fraud, that perhaps it was one of the many relics scattered around the world
00:27:55and which were very common from the Middle Ages onwards, but I assure you that when I was
00:28:00in front of that face, of that man who somehow seems to have remained
00:28:03burned in that linen, for I felt a very special awe. I don't know what
00:28:09He appears on the Shroud of Turin; I don't know who that man is, or even if he is a man or not.
00:28:12But I certainly had the feeling that there was a mystery to be solved, a
00:28:16a fascinating mystery that, like me, had many people in silence
00:28:20A sepulchral silence of immense respect. For many, it is the most important relic.
00:28:24of all time, that supposed image which for others is scientific proof of
00:28:29the resurrection, that linen where the mark of Jesus of Nazareth remains.
00:28:34The Shroud of Turin is the most important relic in Christianity. For millions
00:28:39For some people around the world, the effigy it represents is that of Jesus of Nazareth; for others, it is about
00:28:45of an elaborate fraud. Throughout the centuries and to this day, its enigma has given rise to controversy.
00:28:50that have pitted science against religion, logic against miracles.
00:28:55A man of 81 cm in height, with a strong build and more than 100 lashes and bruises throughout his life
00:29:01The entire body. The anatomy of a brutally tortured man is reflected in a seemingly
00:29:06unusual in this ancient shroud woven in the same way as it was done in Palestine
00:29:11from the 1st century. To this day, the most modern technology has not been able to explain how that effigy
00:29:17It has been imprinted there with such astonishing clarity. It is not a painting, nor are there any pigments.
00:29:23or traces of a mysterious artist. Thousands of tests have been carried out to capture a
00:29:28body in that form and it has not yet been achieved. The Shroud of Turin gives the impression of being the
00:29:33A vessel of prodigious radiation or combustion of a human being. For some
00:29:38Researchers consider it scientific proof of the resurrection. In 1988, the dating by
00:29:44Carbon-14 dating of a piece of the fabric gave it an origin date around the 19th century
00:29:49XIII. That conclusion divided scholars irreconcilably.
00:29:53Some have since considered it a complex medieval hoax with no known author, while others
00:29:59However, they argue that that analysis is not valid.
00:30:03Blood runs along the four meters of the shroud. Human blood that has been there for five years.
00:30:08It has been scientifically analyzed for years. Some have even suggested the possibility of extracting it.
00:30:14the DNA of those traces that appear in certain points on the forehead, the side, the wrists
00:30:19and the feet. The debate began immediately after they were revealed.
00:30:24The first data. Will we be able to clone the man who died wrapped in that ancient cloth? And
00:30:30If that is ever achieved, would that technological action represent the second coming of
00:30:36Jesus of Nazareth? The controversy has only just begun.
00:30:46But perhaps the most exciting thing about this whole story is not believing or not believing in man
00:30:51that is there, whether it is him or not, but in the scientific challenge that it itself represents
00:30:55The Shroud of Turin is undoubtedly an enigma, a scientific enigma that has been analyzed.
00:31:00It has been scanned. Strands have been extracted to try to determine its age using carbon-14 dating.
00:31:05It's that kind of ancient wonder. Wars have been started almost in pursuit of the savanna.
00:31:10Santa, she has hidden in other places, many things have happened, above all she has survived
00:31:14to terrifying fires in an almost miraculous way. The Shroud of Turin is worthy of a novel, but it is
00:31:20a resounding reality, and to talk about it we surely have the person who knows the most in
00:31:24This country, with this kind of plot, as we say, worthy of a current bestseller. It has been, therefore
00:31:29Indeed, it's the subject of many books lately. It seems the topic is attracting attention again.
00:31:33This is Jorge Manuel Rodríguez Almenares, he is a law professor at the University of
00:31:38Valencia and also president of the Spanish Center for Sindonology. Sindonology, a science
00:31:44who would study the Shroud of Turin. Jorge Manuel, welcome, good
00:31:47nights. Well found. The Shroud of Turin surpasses any fiction, doesn't it?
00:31:51I believe so, indeed, especially if it is approached from the point of view of
00:31:55What it is, is a material object and also an old document, and what
00:32:00What we have to do is decipher it, because then we find ourselves with an enigma, truly a
00:32:05I believe it is a first-rate scientific challenge.
00:32:07Hey, Jorge Manuel, is it true that a lot of tests were done with hot molds,
00:32:11even with corpses wrapped in aloe, myrrh, or substances that the corpse might have contained
00:32:16of Jesus, it is assumed, and that image, which is kept in, has not been reproduced in the same way again.
00:32:20Turin?
00:32:21That's precisely the key to the matter. Since the 16th century, science has been based on the method.
00:32:27empirical, and the empirical method requires, and that is precisely a limitation it has
00:32:30People place too much value on science because they believe that science will...
00:32:34Try everything, in reverse. Science has a very big limitation, which is that what
00:32:37It can't be reproduced, you can't say how it's made. And then when someone
00:32:42He says, well, the Shroud of Turin could have been, well, it's been faked, it's been made of a
00:32:46One way or another, because if one wants to be serious, what one has to do is reproduce it.
00:32:50And until it is reproduced, it is impossible to say how that image was produced.
00:32:54And it hasn't been achieved?
00:32:54It hasn't been achieved, but also both those who are in favor of it being Jesus and those
00:32:58Those who are against it have tried for over 100 years to obtain an equal footprint.
00:33:03It turns out that this trace, well, it hasn't been possible to obtain at all. Sometimes, from time to time
00:33:07When a book comes out saying, well, I can get a similar face, that is, with
00:33:11They have similar features, but that's irrelevant. In other words, it's about when
00:33:15Put one microscope into that cloth and compare it with another microscope put into the sheet
00:33:21The fibers should appear the same. And that has absolutely not been achieved.
00:33:25Two doctors from Seville conducted a surprising study. They called it the pain
00:33:30of Christ.
00:33:31Well, Jesus, it cannot be said that Jesus' death was due to a single cause.
00:33:36Actually, in the end Jesus was on the cross and was breathing with one, like he breathes
00:33:43A person suffering from acute respiratory failure. Jesus died of a heart attack, probably
00:33:50of myocardium, due to that series of circumstances, fatigue, blood loss, etc.
00:33:58etc. In other words, it can't be said that it was a single cause, although it is true
00:34:02that afterwards, with the spear thrust he gave that Roman, it indeed seems that
00:34:09When water came out, as it did, the scripture says, that means it probably hit the pericardium.
00:34:16You know that the pericardium is surrounded by a water-like, aqueous substance, which
00:34:22It's a serous fluid. It seems that it could be serum that came from the pericardium.
00:34:28Therefore, the spear must have hit him in the heart.
00:34:32Whiplashes, even marks from the pulleys that carried those flagrum, erosion on the
00:34:37shoulders, they say, of carrying what would be one's own cross. Does all that appear on the Shroud?
00:34:42Jorge Manuel?
00:34:43Yes, but it appears as it should. I mean, it's curious to think that we have images
00:34:49of Christ crucified from almost the beginning of time. Not from the beginning, because
00:34:53The cross wasn't present at first, but it was from the 4th century onwards. And it has always been imagined
00:34:59and in a certain way, the death of Christ. There are a number of iconographic representations
00:35:04that remain over time. And curiously, the marks on the shroud correspond to instruments
00:35:10which are not exactly the ones that had been depicted. The nails are not in the palms.
00:35:14not in the hands, but in the pulses. In Stott's space, the marks are said to be supposedly from
00:35:21Carrying the cross is not on one shoulder, but rather, let's say, it erodes the part
00:35:25posterior aspect of the shoulder blades. And this, for example, coincides with the Roman penalty. The penalty
00:35:30The Romans carried the pativulum, not the cross, the pativulum, which was the horizontal pole, because
00:35:34The stipe was fixed in place and was used several times.
00:35:37Jorge Manuel, what you've said is very interesting and I'm sure the viewers of
00:35:41Cuarto Milenio has wondered how the nails that appear in the marks in so many
00:35:46stigmatized, and in people who believe they relive those experiences, for example, during Holy Week. There are many people
00:35:50in the world that claim to relive the passion of Christ and always appear here.
00:35:53Are you telling me that the Shroud of Turin contradicts that tradition and places the nails a little further away?
00:35:58Down? Does it make any physical sense?
00:36:00Without a doubt, without a doubt. I mean, the only experience, that's why I say that when we talk seriously
00:36:04We have to reproduce this, right? So, at the beginning of the 20th century, Pierre Barbet, a surgeon
00:36:09From Paris, what he did was have sex with corpses, because there are no volunteers for this type of
00:36:13Things, of course. So, what they did was crucify a corpse and put the nails in it.
00:36:19in the palms of their hands, they saw that it tore. On the contrary, placing it
00:36:23where the sheet appears, in the space of this, between the carpal bones, for
00:36:27That's a very strong point, which perfectly supports a man's weight. What happens is
00:36:32At this point, then, the median nerve is touched, which is what folds the thumb towards
00:36:36inside. And one thing that stands out is that the Shroud of Turin has only four
00:36:40fingers. And one says, "Oh, how strange." And it seems as if the hands are very long.
00:36:43One might even say, well, the sheet must be fake because it has very... fingers
00:36:46long. Well, if the nail is placed where it needs to be, the thumb folds in.
00:36:50And then, if the hole is here, the hand looks very long. So, on the sheet
00:36:55He has one hand on top of the other and is covering the nail of the lower hand, but it's perfectly visible.
00:37:03where it's placed on the other one. And, well, this coincides perfectly with a point
00:37:07Anatomically perfect for holding a corpse. When has this ever been depicted? Well
00:37:12Certainly not in the early centuries. Today there are already Christs being based on...
00:37:17On the Shroud of Turin, they place the nail in its spot. But that's just one of many.
00:37:21Details. For example, the crown of thorns on the Shroud of Turin, because it is marking us.
00:37:26puncture wounds all over the head.
00:37:28Like a helmet, therefore.
00:37:29Like a helmet, of course. As it should be, too. And yet, it has never been depicted.
00:37:34So. Logic tells us that, of course, the soldiers—this wasn't a shame, by the way.
00:37:40It was not a punishment that was applied under Roman law anywhere. What this describes
00:37:45The Gospel is a mockery made by soldiers and probably used, because what they have
00:37:49There to keep warm. I mean, those thorn branches that in a city like Jerusalem,
00:37:54It has hardly any trees, hardly any firewood, except for thorn bushes and shrubs. Well, those shrubs
00:37:59Placed on top of someone's head, they form a mocking crown. It's not about being
00:38:02Something so beautiful and delicate. Quite the opposite. And this placed on the head,
00:38:08Well, there are about 60 puncture wounds on the sheet. And many other things like that.
00:38:1160 wounds. Therefore, the Shroud of Turin, that piece of linen, that cloth of about 4 meters
00:38:16The long shot where the image of a man appears, his back and his face, really takes advantage of it
00:38:23A series of scientific circumstances that were unknown at the time. The limit is reached.
00:38:27that some specialists, such as the Swiss Max Frey, tried to extract pollen, because
00:38:31First, we had to determine if that material, that sheet, was from that period. What is the
00:38:36What was the result, Jorge Manuel? Well, in the case of Max Frey, Max Frey, who was a criminologist
00:38:40Swiss, he was, let's say, we can say he was the founder of the CSI in Neuchatel, well, then
00:38:46a Swiss city. So, what he does, his specialty was botany. He takes samples
00:38:51from the pollen, well, from the dirt and among them the pollen that it finds on the fabric.
00:38:56And then he dedicates himself to trying to identify those pollen grains, and he at the time
00:39:03He says he finds, therefore, a huge amount, almost three-quarters of the identified pollen
00:39:08It corresponds to desert plants. The thing is, he didn't actually make a publication
00:39:12scientific because she died. But the truth is that few people know that in Congress
00:39:15In 1998, using the same samples as Max Frey, that work was published by two botanists
00:39:22who belong to the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, namely Abino Andanin and Uribaruk.
00:39:26And these people raised the issue at the Congress in Turin in '98, precisely, that some
00:39:32Max Frey's identifications were wrong, some were also a bit exaggerated, but
00:39:35Indeed, the identification of most plants with, from the pollen of
00:39:42It is perfectly possible for plants that grow in Palestine to be plants that are plants that are growing in Palestine, which are plants
00:39:46desert-like, they even cite two cases of two plants frequently found on the Shroud, which they
00:39:51They already identify them with Gundelia turneforte and Cigophilum dumosum, which are two plants
00:39:56that bloom, or rather, produce pollen between March and April, which is as it should be
00:40:03at Easter time, and furthermore, the two together only occur in the surrounding areas
00:40:07from Jerusalem.
00:40:08And they appear on the Shroud of Turin.
00:40:09Indeed.
00:40:10Many believe this could have been a medieval hoax; now we'll talk about the famous carbon.
00:40:1314, and the question is, how in the Middle Ages could someone collect pollen knowing that in
00:40:18Could we, the men of today, for example, of the 21st century, observe these characteristics in the future?
00:40:23Is the fraud too complex or not?
00:40:25For some members of the Church, who have become fully involved with the Shroud,
00:40:28There is no room for doubt, it is the body of Christ and the scientific proof that this man rose again.
00:40:33This is the opinion, for example, of Father Loringa.
00:40:36The Church never seeks scientific proof for dogmas of faith.
00:40:42Things are true because Christ has revealed them.
00:40:47That is a dogma of faith.
00:40:48That Christ has risen is a dogma of faith because it is a revelation.
00:40:55But if we add scientific proof to that, well, that's fine.
00:41:02And why is it a scientific test?
00:41:04Because scientifically, the study of the Shroud of Turin can only be explained if Christ resurrected.
00:41:13Because the image there is not a painting, as some people who don't know what they're talking about have said.
00:41:19It's not paint.
00:41:21There is no paint between the threads.
00:41:23And nobody paints a picture without leaving paint between each thread.
00:41:27And the Shroud of Turin, viewed under a microscope, shows no paint between the threads.
00:41:33And the threads are colored because they are burned.
00:41:37In other words, the image is burned into the skin by radiation that came out of Christ's body at the moment
00:41:44of the resurrection.
00:41:45And this is a study that has been done by doctors of physical sciences from NASA, Jackson Jumper.
00:41:52They have discovered, after examining it with all available investigative tools, that the image is burned into the skin by radiation.
00:42:02who burned the image.
00:42:04Scientifically it is clear that the image is burned into your memory.
00:42:07And secondly, the fact that Christ's corpse burned the image can only be explained if Christ
00:42:14He rose again.
00:42:15Because no corpse in history burns its image onto the canvas that covers it.
00:42:20If I pick up a corpse and move it around on a sheet, it will leave bloodstains if it had any, and sweat stains if it did.
00:42:27It had, perhaps, excrement.
00:42:29But no corpse in history has its image burned into the canvas that covers it.
00:42:35Why did Christ burn his image into the ground?
00:42:37Because of the radiation that came out at the moment of resurrection.
00:42:40Therefore, we can say, it is well said, that the burning of the image of Christ on the
00:42:49The Shroud of Turin is scientific proof of the resurrection.
00:42:55And the mysteries and enigmas posed by this fabric never cease to appear as science progresses
00:43:02moving forward.
00:43:02Let me explain.
00:43:03The first photographers also encountered a puzzle.
00:43:08They framed their cameras, their very old, gigantic cameras.
00:43:12And as we are seeing, something very strange appeared.
00:43:16It was said that the Shroud of Turin, Jorge Manuel, was a photographic negative.
00:43:19How can this be explained?
00:43:20Well, what actually happens is that with a state-of-the-art camera of the time, what the
00:43:27The first photographer is, when he photographs the fabric,
00:43:31Logically, he expects to find the negative on the plate, but then when it's developed, he'll see the image anyway.
00:43:37than the original in the developed photograph.
00:43:40And suddenly, he finds that it is in the photographic negative where, by inverting the chiaroscuro, something
00:43:46which is normal in all negatives; by inverting the chiaroscuro, the face and the entire body acquire an absolute
00:43:53realism.
00:43:54In other words, something that falls completely outside the parameters of medieval painting and is certainly inconceivable.
00:44:00that no one could copy.
00:44:02They say that this condopia, the author of this enigmatic photograph if ever there was one, was left kneeling and surprised.
00:44:09He believed he was seeing for the first time the true image of that man.
00:44:14He even believed that he was seeing that he was the first man, at the end of the 19th century, who was seeing the authentic image, nor
00:44:19no less than Jesus of Nazareth.
00:44:20But there is an even more controversial topic, Jorge Manuel, and that is blood.
00:44:23Is there blood on the Shroud of Turin?
00:44:25Without a doubt. This is blood, indeed, human blood; these are the reagents, there's no room for doubt, and furthermore
00:44:31It is blood type AB.
00:44:34As I said, the techniques used in '77 are better today, and the samples taken in the
00:44:40year 78 and that were analyzed during the following years, because they have indeed made it clear.
00:44:45Yes, it's blood, and it's a man's blood. Well, we don't know if it's a man or a woman, but...
00:44:49It looks like it's a man, logically.
00:44:51And undoubtedly, the AB blood group is also very characteristic of people of Hebrew descent, because it is precisely
00:44:57One of the genetic traits they have preserved, since they were very closed peoples, especially in
00:45:04antiquity.
00:45:05This has been discussed for some years now, and not without some controversy; imagine where this could lead.
00:45:09Topics that seem like magic or science fiction, but are now becoming science.
00:45:12If there is blood, could DNA be recovered? There are even those who, well, raising their voices to the altars and to the
00:45:20There have been many shouts on this topic, and they claim there will be experiments in the future. But what for, Jorge Manuel?
00:45:26Cloning even the individual who's there? Has this been discussed?
00:45:28Yes, yes, yes, it's being talked about.
00:45:29Meaningless or meaningful?
00:45:30That's science fiction these days, right? I mean, absolutely. First of all, because, well, I'm no DNA expert, but
00:45:35I know people who know quite a bit about this, and when you talk to real specialists they tell you, well, genetic chains, the
00:45:41DNA strands are broken, as is indeed the case with ancient blood, isn't it?
00:45:45So, those broken strands, well, we can't, we couldn't clone because we're missing elements, right?, of that DNA. However,
00:45:54Besides the fact that it's human DNA, meaning from a dead person who has disappeared.
00:45:58So, cloning Jesus would be a little difficult. But, on the other hand, I also think that people
00:46:03He doesn't know what a clone is, because a clone is a twin brother, but not the same person.
00:46:07He would never be the one who was there.
00:46:08Obviously, he's a man who looks very similar, but he would never be Jesus.
00:46:11Worthy of a novel, in any case, Jorge Manuel. Many things are worthy of a novel. For example, suddenly, in the
00:46:1588, suddenly, scientists from the British Museum and other institutions say that all this is a fraud.
00:46:22They have analyzed the Shroud of Turin, and perhaps many viewers of Cuarto Milenio remember, all the news programs led with
00:46:28the following news.
00:46:29The Shroud of Turin is a fraud. But, curiously, there are physicists, physicists from the Polytechnic University of Madrid, who to this day
00:46:36Today, analyzing what was done, they say there was no fraud.
00:46:39We hear you and we see you.
00:46:42First, we should point out that the carbon-14 dating method is not infallible. It has shown errors in other circumstances.
00:46:48Thus, for example, in Britain, well, what was ancient Britain in Roman times, a
00:46:55body of a person who was murdered, was sacrificed in a ritual,
00:47:01and buried in peat. And two laboratories gave an age that differed by a thousand years. Therefore, there
00:47:08They were already finding a flaw.
00:47:10Then, an Egyptian tomb, an Egyptian mummy. The interior of the mummy and the fabric, according to carbon-14 dating, had
00:47:19a difference of another thousand and some years.
00:47:21Also, in another mummy from Peru, it was also found that there was a difference of about 800 years between one part
00:47:32of the mummy and another.
00:47:33So, as you can see, sometimes carbon-14 dating does have flaws.
00:47:37The analyses done by the Russians, and the theoretical analysis done by me, which coincides with the data of the
00:47:42Russians would tell us that the age of the Royal Shroud of Turin is about 2,000 years.
00:47:49Yes, I believe we are looking at the image of Jesus of Nazareth.
00:47:53Why? Because the descriptions in the Gospels and our historical knowledge of how Roman soldiers...
00:48:03They crucified and beat with the flarum or the whip,
00:48:08It exactly matches the bloodstains left on the Shroud of Turin.
00:48:16Part of that fabric was analyzed and, suddenly, the great controversy.
00:48:20We spoke with Jorge Manuel Rodríguez Almenares, president of the Spanish Center for Sintonology, who have done impressive scientific work.
00:48:28Was that a hoax? Was it real? Are they right? Are they completely wrong? What does carbon-14 dating say?
00:48:34Well, the first thing to say is that carbon-14 dating doesn't say what the media published.
00:48:38communication.
00:48:39Why? Well, it's very simple: because the news was announced without waiting for the technical specifications.
00:48:44When the carbon-14 test was done, the Cardinal of Turin gave the result in a telegram that said
00:48:501260-1380, point.
00:48:52But of course, when you look at the technical specifications, and this has been analyzed in several subsequent conferences,
00:48:59It has been observed that the significance level does not reach 5%, that there are a number of characteristics that they,
00:49:04Those who performed the carbon-14 dating test themselves acknowledge that there is some element that is distorting the result.
00:49:09Are you not very sure?
00:49:10Of course not. I mean, of course, this hasn't been published yet. Why?
00:49:13Because six months earlier, a prince of the Church had said everything in front of more than a hundred people
00:49:19media,
00:49:20From Japanese television to the whole world, the message was that the Shroud of Turin was not from the time of Christ,
00:49:25But it didn't matter, because faith isn't based on that.
00:49:27Clearly, faith is not based on the Shroud of Turin.
00:49:29The thing is, what the Shroud of Turin presents is a scientific language.
00:49:33It doesn't have to be the Church that speaks. It's the scientists who have to tell us.
00:49:37Whether it is from the 1st century or not, and whether it can be or not, it is from Jesus.
00:49:39That, by the way, is what Pope John Paul II said.
00:49:42What the Pope said is that, since it is not a matter of faith, it is precisely appropriate,
00:49:47Or rather, it says more, since it is not a matter of faith, the Church lacks the authority to pronounce on it.
00:49:52and that it has to be scientists who study this topic.
00:49:55Perfect, that's the square of the...
00:49:58Jorge Manuel Rodríguez Almenares, president of the Spanish Center for Sindonology,
00:50:01Professor of Law at the University of Valencia.
00:50:03Thank you so much for instructing us on this fascinating topic,
00:50:06that combines almost CSI-like mystery, forensic mystery, with religious mystery.
00:50:11We'll be back, we'll definitely do a report on this story.
00:50:13which we have very close by and need to get to know. Thank you very much.
00:50:15Exactly, because the worst thing that can happen to a relic is for it to be in Spain.
00:50:18Because it is unknown, it is ignored.
00:50:21We will try, as we say, to get closer.
00:50:22Thank you, Jorge Manuel, for your visit to Cuarta Milenio.
00:50:24And cinema, by the way, has also approached this key moment.
00:50:28One of the most controversial films of recent times,
00:50:30Mel Gibson's The Passion, left in a final frame almost,
00:50:35a message that many have considered key.
00:50:38Jesus next to the linen cloths, the resurrection,
00:50:41that cloth that remained there in that cave where his body was submerged,
00:50:45It is proof for many that this prodigious man left his mark.
00:50:49Truth, fraud?
00:50:51You must draw your own conclusion.
00:51:21No, no, no, no, no.
00:51:23Mel Gibson's The Passion
00:51:41The Shrouds of Turin
00:51:53But others are quite different; it's a mystery, this is rarely discussed.
00:51:57Our colleague and reporter Luis Álvarez has visited some points
00:52:00For example, we are now seeing images of the one that is kept in a sacred place in Valladolid.
00:52:05They are rarely shown
00:52:06Luis Álvarez, good evening
00:52:07Hello, good evening, Iker
00:52:08One thing has surprised you above all others, and it's very close to here in Madrid.
00:52:11Indeed, 30-40 kilometers from Madrid in a town called Torres de la Alameda
00:52:16There is a copy from 1620 played with the original from Turin on May 3, 1620
00:52:23And well, it's surprising because it's a very faithful copy, very similar to the original.
00:52:28Despite the researchers and experts, especially the Spanish Center for Sintonology
00:52:32That we have been able to interview
00:52:33Say that, well, of course, they've been in contact with the one in Turin.
00:52:36And they say that, well, it's a crude copy
00:52:39Hey Luis, you've even brought people to talk, you've already had a close witness
00:52:43Of the people who guarded that sheet
00:52:45They are always jealously guarded by someone
00:52:48Rosario Peñalver in this case
00:52:49Yes, this sheet has a very nice story.
00:52:52And it was in the year 1936, in this war that we had in Spain
00:52:55Well, the Rosario Peñalver family was able to rescue her.
00:52:59Because if it hadn't burned along with other relics like the altarpiece and the saints
00:53:02In this sense, the sheet is thrown away in his house for 60 years
00:53:06Until around the year 1995, it was returned to the church again.
00:53:10They were guarding this sheet at great risk.
00:53:12Because, well, it was a religious relic, and because of the side they were on in this war.
00:53:17Well, they almost had serious problems.
00:53:22If you like, we can take a look and see how she's doing, because she's delighted, as usual.
00:53:27This curious relic is kept just 30 kilometers from here, in Torres de la Alameda.
00:53:32If you see it, you will see that it has the true image of Jesus
00:53:38And you can see the spear thrust wonderfully, you can see the nails in the feet, you can see the crown
00:53:45And then it adds the description that it says
00:53:51This is the true portrait of the Holy Shroud
00:53:55Taken from the original in Turin and played on May 3, 1620
00:54:04And all of this, well, I think this has to give faith and peace of mind.
00:54:12That he has been touched
00:54:15Which is not to say, there is only one copy of the Shroud of Turin.
00:54:21Hey Luis, how many copies of the Shroud of Turin might there be in Spain today?
00:54:25There are currently 32 located in Spain.
00:54:28Although the whereabouts of two of them are not very well known
00:54:31And in the world, and this is the most surprising thing, there are a total of 130 copies
00:54:35130?
00:54:3690 located, 130 are known from records, from historical documents that support this
00:54:42Since all these copies had a certificate of authenticity
00:54:44It was called the authentic one and it said the date
00:54:47When it was done, the moment it was touched by the Shroud of Turin
00:54:51And who commissioned it, right?
00:54:52Hey, why were these copies being made?
00:54:53You've spoken with specialists who try to argue that point, haven't you?
00:54:55Yes, well, it's simply a matter of going back to that time
00:55:00And to discover that the Shroud of Turin was much more important than it is now.
00:55:04It was a relic that was venerated; it was very important in our Christian world, in our religious world.
00:55:10And well, he simply became one of us... the expert we interviewed, Daniel Duque Torres
00:55:15He commented that it was a kind of souvenir, like a souvenir
00:55:19Many religious people, many people wanted to have it in their parish, in their convent
00:55:23A copy, of course, indeed, touched by the original
00:55:26If you'd like, we can get that expert's opinion.
00:55:29Why make a copy?
00:55:31Initially as a souvenir
00:55:32As a souvenir to give to someone
00:55:34A person, a parish, a monastery, a convent
00:55:39It's like the present
00:55:40In the centuries we are talking about, the 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th centuries
00:55:44The Shroud of Turin held immense importance as a relic.
00:55:49Throughout the Habsburg court, in Europe
00:55:51It even reached the New World, knowledge of the Shroud of Turin
00:55:56So the idea was to reproduce that great relic
00:56:00And send her to the place that, out of pride, out of affection, she wanted to have
00:56:09A strange rural priest, Berenguer Sonier
00:56:12Do you remember that quote from The Da Vinci Code?
00:56:15The first name that appears, a murdered man, curator of the Louvre
00:56:18Dan Brown names it Sonier
00:56:20It was a wink, one of the strangest stories to occur in the 20th century.
00:56:24A priest who became immensely rich
00:56:26A priest who converted a practically uninhabited village
00:56:30In a place full of roads, greenhouses, and mansions
00:56:33A man who found something, something inside a Visigoth pillar
00:56:37Some even claim that the discovery was nothing less than the genealogy of Jesus of Nazareth
00:56:42Some scholars spoke of a treasure
00:56:44The Devil's Treasure
00:56:46Follow us and you'll find out why.
00:56:48We will head towards a small village called Ren le Chateau
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00:57:24And that's normal at these significant times.
00:57:26For millions of people around the world
00:57:28Well, even the news from Cuarto Milenio
00:57:31Because you know they're always a little bit dark and mysterious.
00:57:34They are filled with the Christmas spirit
00:57:36Carmen Porter
00:57:37Christmas spirit like the one being experienced in much of the city of Jerusalem
00:57:41Where it's been for more than 10 years
00:57:43Thousands of letters are arriving addressed to God, the Almighty.
00:57:47And the postal workers didn't know what to do with those letters.
00:57:52So they decided to take them all to the Wailing Wall.
00:57:54They put them between the stones there.
00:57:56The workers can now even recognize some people's handwriting
00:58:00They write to God weekly, thus sending him their requests.
00:58:04How curious, just like this small town that has become a symbol of Christmas
00:58:10Tapujalpa, this is the Mexican town where workers used to work in the mine
00:58:16And now they dedicate themselves to making Christmas decorations
00:58:1938 million pieces, no more and no less
00:58:22These are the ones that are made in this small town
00:58:24They are distributed, Iker, all over the world
00:58:27Those baubles, those decorations that we have in our homes decorating this Christmas
00:58:32All these celebrations are made right here in this small Mexican town.
00:58:36They leave from there, right from that small town
00:58:3838 million balls together, imagine the spectacle
00:58:41How spectacular it can be to see one of the greatest geniuses of painting of all time
00:58:45And very fitting for the current temperature.
00:58:48Well, on ice, Rembrandt
00:58:50This winter it will be held in the Dutch city of Leiden
00:58:54The fourth centenary of the birth of one of the universal painters
00:58:58By Rembrandt
00:58:59Taking advantage of the tributes that were going to be held in the town
00:59:02The Ice Sculpture Festival
00:59:04He has decided to create some of those works by the painter in ice.
00:59:08About 50 artists arrived from different countries
00:59:11They have gathered in a room that is kept at 8 degrees below zero.
00:59:15Where sculptors have cut, polished, and carved
00:59:18300,000 kilos of ice and 150,000 of snow
00:59:23And now we're talking about a document that's almost from Rembrandt's time.
00:59:26Pay close attention because it just came out of the oven of a very old archive
00:59:31Several researchers and archivists also send you another big hug
00:59:34Because they do so much for the mystery and for the fourth millennium
00:59:37They've sent us something amazing
00:59:39Here is the document that one of our viewers sent us.
00:59:43Francisco Javier Escudero, the former historian and also archivist of Socuellamos
00:59:48If you'd like, we can move on to reading some of the paragraphs where it's cited.
00:59:53Like an unidentified flying object
00:59:55It pierced the sky of that town in September 1768
01:00:00It says that on September 18, 1768
01:00:04It was about six forty in the morning
01:00:07Being very calm and clear
01:00:09It appeared on the horizon of the town of Calahorra
01:00:12From the Marquisate of Cenete, Kingdom of Granada
01:00:15A globe as crystal clear as the purest water
01:00:18Shaped like a large bottle
01:00:20With a twisted and dilated neck
01:00:22Leaving above the Sierra Nevada
01:00:25The document continues, Iker says
01:00:27That is twinkling and leaving its mark as it walked
01:00:30Two lines of thick smoke that remain separate
01:00:34Until the balloon popped
01:00:35Turning into fire and sparks
01:00:38An unidentified flying object in 1768
01:00:42And then they say that the UFO phenomenon
01:00:44Experts say
01:00:45It was discovered in 1947
01:00:47Spanish archives hold these wonderful curiosities
01:00:50It might be interesting to get closer
01:00:52The next enigma we pose here on Fourth Millennium
01:01:17Father Berenguer Sonier arrived in Rennes-le-Chateau
01:01:20Like an exile
01:01:21He had argued with the curia several times
01:01:23And he had gone there like the last nail to cling to.
01:01:27It was an almost deserted village in the south of France
01:01:31Interestingly, he tried the first thing.
01:01:33Rehabilitate the temple formerly dedicated to Mary Magdalene
01:01:36And there he found something
01:01:37Something strange
01:01:38Something that has generated a great deal of discussion.
01:01:40On a Visigothic pillar from the 6th century
01:01:42He recorded some words and some numbers
01:01:44Mission 1891
01:01:46Thus giving the impression of a new life
01:01:48A secret, a key, a code
01:01:50He had altered the existence of that small place
01:01:53From that moment on
01:01:54Hundreds of millions of francs rained down on the village
01:01:58What is the secret of Rennes-le-Chateau?
01:02:02Banished for his constant disputes with other members of the clergy
01:02:05Father Berenguer Sonier
01:02:07He arrived at the small, semi-abandoned village of Rennes-le-Chateau
01:02:10However
01:02:12A hidden surprise in one of the pillars of the old church
01:02:15It would make him immensely rich and powerful.
01:02:18Overnight
01:02:19The secret of Rennes is something that has obsessed researchers.
01:02:23Journalists, politicians, historians, kings, and even the Vatican itself
01:02:29That lonely country priest found something that provided him with a multimillion-dollar income.
01:02:34Many spoke of a map hidden away in a safe place
01:02:37That pointed to a treasure
01:02:39Others argued that wealth was not material.
01:02:42And they went much further
01:02:44Claiming that Sonier had discovered a genealogy
01:02:48A family tree of the sacred lineage of Jesus of Nazareth
01:02:52He built roads and greenhouses
01:02:55He built towers and palaces
01:02:57And important European personalities attended them.
01:03:01Ready to learn more about the great mystery
01:03:03Everything that clergyman built was dedicated to Mary Magdalene
01:03:07As if he wanted to demonstrate to the initiated
01:03:10That the great enigma lay in that name.
01:03:12As if he wanted to entrust the entire town
01:03:14To a figure always obscured
01:03:16And that for many
01:03:18It is the true origin of authentic Christianity.
01:03:22The mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau
01:03:24It has caused deaths and revenge to this day.
01:03:27It is the only town in France
01:03:29Where excavation is prohibited by government order
01:03:32The only place where thousands of people go
01:03:34Convinced that the entire plot of the international bestseller
01:03:38The Da Vinci Code
01:03:39It becomes real right there.
01:03:41In that small village
01:03:42That continues to guard its own mystery
01:03:47This book that I have in my hands
01:03:49It's called The Gold of Rennes
01:03:50Some also called it the devil's treasure
01:03:53And perhaps because of the mysterious character that appears on its cover.
01:03:57It was done by a French journalist, Gerard de Seat
01:03:59And he put the devil in his mode
01:04:01As a singular character in this plot
01:04:03The church in Rennes-le-Château is just too strange.
01:04:06Instead of Jesus of Nazareth appearing to you
01:04:08What emerges is a horrible demon
01:04:10The guardian of the treasure
01:04:11According to the holy scriptures
01:04:13And much more
01:04:14A church converted to esotericism, to the occult
01:04:16And above all, the enigma of so much wealth
01:04:19Where did it come from?
01:04:20Why so many influential people from 19th-century Europe
01:04:23Did they go to Rennes-le-Chateau?
01:04:25What secret did that rural priest keep?
01:04:27I have written a lot about these stories.
01:04:29And recently, the researcher and above all historian, knowledgeable about ancient times
01:04:33Mariano Fernández Urresti
01:04:34An attempt has been made to get closer to the mysteries not only of Rennes
01:04:38But rather from everything hidden surrounding Jesus of Nazareth
01:04:41We get the impression that there are areas, there are years, there are stages
01:04:45About whom absolutely nothing is known
01:04:47Mariano, welcome, good evening
01:04:49How are you? Good night if you want
01:04:50Your book is The Secret Life of Jesus of Nazareth
01:04:53Dare to discover what the church hid
01:04:55No more, no less
01:04:57Books that are becoming fashionable
01:04:58Because people need to know
01:05:00To approach a different version?
01:05:03A time about which nothing has been said?
01:05:05Mariano
01:05:06I think so, I've been asked a similar question many times.
01:05:09And I've always answered in roughly the same way
01:05:12I think people want to see openly what the church codified
01:05:16And I get the impression that's the reason why novels
01:05:20Like The Da Vinci Code or essay books
01:05:22Like the one you just mentioned
01:05:24Well, they have found an echo in the heart
01:05:27Perhaps even before it entered the minds of many readers
01:05:30Rennes de Chateau, a small town in France
01:05:32Big secret
01:05:33Why do some people connect this with Mary Magdalene, the lineage of Jesus?
01:05:38Some people think it can be cured.
01:05:39Then we'll talk about how he died
01:05:42Symptomatic and strange too
01:05:43He had found something the church had hidden
01:05:46Because it could call many dogmas into question
01:05:49That's true, I think it's one of the most fascinating stories.
01:05:53How many can we cover in this type of terrain?
01:05:57In this type of study that you cover in the program
01:06:00At the end of the 19th century
01:06:01This man, François Berenger Sonnier
01:06:03He becomes a truly extraordinary guy
01:06:06Which is related to the most prominent part of the Parisian bourgeoisie
01:06:11Having come from a village in the most hidden part of France
01:06:14Deeper
01:06:15Why was that?
01:06:17It was indeed the result of a discovery
01:06:19Whose ultimate nature we do not know
01:06:21But it made him immensely rich
01:06:23And at the same time to the people
01:06:25Because he benefited from various public works projects
01:06:27And it is true that all of this is related to Mary Magdalene
01:06:30From the very moment that perhaps it cannot be a coincidence
01:06:33That the very church he is restoring
01:06:35It was dedicated to Mary Magdalene
01:06:37That afterwards the works that he undertakes in the town
01:06:40They involve the construction of the Magdala tower
01:06:42The house being commissioned is Villa Betania.
01:06:46A people that clearly has a distinct New Testament symbolism
01:06:51And as you just said
01:06:53Some suggest that perhaps the nature of that discovery
01:06:56It has to do with some manuscripts
01:06:58Some suggest it could be a genealogy
01:07:01Of the supposed descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene
01:07:03A topic that has undoubtedly been popularized by the Da Vinci Code
01:07:06But it was a theme that existed before Dan Brown's novel
01:07:10There are prestigious writers
01:07:11Such is the case of Juan Arias
01:07:13Country correspondent in Brazil
01:07:15And one of the people investigating in the Vatican archives
01:07:18He found one of the few documents from that time
01:07:20And written in the same language
01:07:22And with lyrics from the time of Jesus
01:07:24Well, Juan Arias has also felt the interest
01:07:26The call
01:07:27The anticipation that a character produces
01:07:29We said it before
01:07:31For centuries overshadowed
01:07:32As if they hadn't told us their story properly
01:07:34Mary Magdalene
01:07:36We asked Juan Arias
01:07:37Who welcomed us in Brazil
01:07:39Because of the importance of this character
01:07:41Why the secrecy?
01:07:42Why have they sidelined her?
01:07:43Why don't we know anything about that person?
01:07:46To which is the first place that Jesus of Nazareth appears?
01:07:49What is the mystery of Mary Magdalene?
01:07:51Well, I say it's the last taboo of Christianity
01:07:53Because once it is accepted
01:07:56That Jesus had a normal relationship
01:07:59As a partner and family member
01:08:03Logically, many things are going to change in the church.
01:08:05The first thing is that women could easily enter the priesthood
01:08:12The whole problem of sin in the church
01:08:15It focuses entirely on the sin of sex.
01:08:19Morality
01:08:20All of that would have to change.
01:08:22The requirement of priestly celibacy should be abolished.
01:08:25So there would have to be a major revolution in the church
01:08:28That's why it's usually hard to accept.
01:08:31And although these are things that have been studied
01:08:34And that biblical scholars admit
01:08:36The experts
01:08:37Modern theologians
01:08:38However, they don't want this to reach the general public.
01:08:41Because this would truly be a revolution in the church
01:08:44Especially if it's true that Mary Magdalene
01:08:47She was the keeper of Jesus' secrets
01:08:51And the one who should have been the true founder of the church
01:08:55And curiously, Berenguer Sonier
01:08:57The sinister and mysterious French priest
01:09:00He begins to dedicate everything he builds to Mary Magdalene
01:09:02Even those pompous libraries
01:09:05Where he kept his works
01:09:06I don't know if they're more or less occultists.
01:09:08And he eventually ends his days without revealing the secret to anyone.
01:09:10And dying in a very strange way
01:09:13It's true
01:09:14He had a confidante
01:09:16For saying that she was merely a confidante
01:09:18It could probably have been something more.
01:09:19Magui de Dardot
01:09:20With which he carried out a whole series of works
01:09:25Which have nothing to do with the pastoral life of a rural priest
01:09:29He switched graves
01:09:30He altered gravestones
01:09:31He removed stones
01:09:33Always in the company of this woman
01:09:35And it seems that she
01:09:37It was ultimately
01:09:38The keeper of the ultimate secret
01:09:40That he, the priest
01:09:41He didn't want to tell anyone else
01:09:43And Magui herself too
01:09:44When he died
01:09:45Neither
01:09:47Well, he revealed Genners' ultimate secret
01:09:49Although he did say that.
01:09:50If only people knew the wealth that existed in that town
01:09:52He would obviously be digging
01:09:54And in fact, they continue excavating to the point
01:09:56That the mayor of the town
01:09:57It has had to ban
01:09:59Let more holes be drilled
01:10:02More holes
01:10:02In search of that mysterious treasure
01:10:04But everything seems to be turning, that's true.
01:10:07Around the figure of Mary Magdalene
01:10:09Because?
01:10:10The truth is that we are
01:10:11And perhaps we should place Reine-le-Chateau
01:10:14In the geographical enclave
01:10:15In which it corresponds
01:10:16We are south of Carcassonne
01:10:17We are in a decidedly heretical zone
01:10:20From perhaps the beginning of Christianity
01:10:22But above all
01:10:23And especially in the Middle Ages
01:10:25The Templars were based there
01:10:27Near Reine-le-Chateau
01:10:28There is Bansford Castle
01:10:29Where the Templars stood
01:10:31For some reason we don't know
01:10:32Place of power, therefore
01:10:34Exactly
01:10:34And at the very heart of the Cathar heresy
01:10:36It has also been said
01:10:38That the Cathars
01:10:39Well, they had a certain predilection
01:10:42For a different Christianity
01:10:43In which perhaps
01:10:44Mary Magdalene will play a starring role
01:10:46And not far either
01:10:47From this area of France
01:10:49There's another one
01:10:50In the vicinity of Marseille
01:10:51Where the legend says
01:10:52That Mary Magdalene disembarks
01:10:53At an undefined point in history
01:10:56The heresy says
01:10:57Pregnant with royal blood
01:10:59Of the descendants of Jesus
01:11:01Perhaps all this
01:11:02It needs to be related
01:11:04We need to make a sheaf
01:11:05With all that
01:11:06And embrace the different stories
01:11:08To understand
01:11:08What might have happened
01:11:09At the Royal Chateau
01:11:10The controversy it has stirred up
01:11:11This simple theory
01:11:13That it had been in the works for a long time
01:11:14It has been worthy of reflection.
01:11:16There has never been
01:11:17And this is very interesting.
01:11:18It's very mysterious
01:11:19A literary phenomenon
01:11:20Similar to the Da Vinci Code
01:11:22There's nothing more to see
01:11:22The best-selling book lists
01:11:25In different countries
01:11:26In different languages
01:11:27Why is everyone
01:11:28Did you connect with that?
01:11:29What can be expected from that story?
01:11:31Why does one try to detach
01:11:34But can't it be in the end?
01:11:35And it needs access to that information
01:11:37Well, it gives that impression
01:11:38That Dan Brown
01:11:38He did wonderfully
01:11:39He brought up a topic
01:11:40That was there
01:11:41In the circles of researchers
01:11:42Mary Magdalene
01:11:43Arriving with the sacred lineage of Jesus
01:11:45And for many scholars
01:11:46This would be the bleeding.
01:11:48Not a grail as a cup
01:11:50As we were talking about before
01:11:51But royal blood
01:11:52I know it may not have a historical basis
01:11:54But that's what's being considered right now.
01:11:56As I say
01:11:56With a great whirlwind of ideas
01:11:58This priest eventually died mute
01:12:00January 17th
01:12:02day precisely
01:12:03That in the church of Rennes de Chateau
01:12:05Sunlight generated
01:12:07A strange optical phenomenon
01:12:09Three blue apples
01:12:10Three blue spheres
01:12:12With that phrase
01:12:13Blue spheres or blue apples
01:12:14This priest left recordings
01:12:17Some gravestones
01:12:18Because?
01:12:18It gives the impression
01:12:19That several rural priests
01:12:20From that time
01:12:20They had a secret
01:12:22That he didn't want anyone
01:12:23Reveal
01:12:24Curiously
01:12:25The same day
01:12:26January 17
01:12:27Years later
01:12:27That maid
01:12:29Maria Dernot
01:12:29He also dies
01:12:30And curious.
01:12:31She dies mute
01:12:32Without revealing the secret
01:12:34There are a number of researchers
01:12:35That they did not reach their destination
01:12:37They were looking for some documents
01:12:38Amazing
01:12:39Some documents
01:12:40That also the Vinci code
01:12:41It has made fashionable
01:12:42Priory of Sion
01:12:43That is to say
01:12:44An ancient society
01:12:46Who keeps the secret
01:12:47Of the sacred lineage of Jesus
01:12:49Mariano
01:12:50This is absolute nonsense.
01:12:52A dementia
01:12:52Or there could have been a Priory of Sion
01:12:55And perhaps whose documents
01:12:57That's what the priest discovered.
01:12:58In René Chateau
01:12:58Well, that's the proposal.
01:13:00And it is the one that embraces
01:13:01To Dan Brown
01:13:01In his novel
01:13:02History says
01:13:03That in 1118
01:13:04Nine Frankish knights
01:13:06And flamingos
01:13:07Led by Hugo de Paine
01:13:09They are presented
01:13:10Before the king
01:13:10Baldwin II
01:13:11From Jerusalem
01:13:11And they would be
01:13:12The embryo
01:13:13Of the Knights Templar
01:13:14That proposal says
01:13:15That the temper
01:13:16It would be something like this
01:13:17As the armed wing
01:13:18From an organization
01:13:18Much more hidden
01:13:20Much more secret
01:13:20What would that Priory of Sion be?
01:13:22The one you referred to
01:13:23Both orders
01:13:24The Priory of Sion
01:13:25And the temper
01:13:25They would even have
01:13:27The same Grand Master
01:13:27Until the year 1188
01:13:29Where they both separate
01:13:30After a strange event
01:13:33What they call
01:13:33The felling of the tree
01:13:34From the elm of Gisors
01:13:35And from that moment on
01:13:37They circulate
01:13:38Independently
01:13:39Is that true?
01:13:40The truth is that we can't
01:13:41Having no security
01:13:43And we don't have either.
01:13:44No historical document
01:13:45Let it be guaranteed.
01:13:45But that's the proposal
01:13:46The most surprising thing
01:13:48From the case
01:13:48That's when they appear
01:13:49In the 1960s
01:13:50From the past 20th century
01:13:52At the National Library
01:13:53From Paris
01:13:53A series of documents
01:13:54Secrets
01:13:55Which they clearly leave
01:13:56If they are secret
01:13:57At the moment
01:13:57That they come to light
01:13:59Where it is ensured
01:14:00It is stated
01:14:00That the Priory of Sion
01:14:02He's still alive
01:14:03Or he was alive
01:14:04At least then
01:14:05And there is a character
01:14:06Plantar Pir
01:14:07Who proclaims
01:14:08Grand Master of the Priory of Sion
01:14:10And a series occur
01:14:10Of leaders
01:14:13From the priory
01:14:13During the centuries
01:14:14And some of those names
01:14:15Man
01:14:16Well, almost.
01:14:17That are worthy of surprise
01:14:18No?
01:14:18Indeed
01:14:19We have some there.
01:14:20Legendary figures
01:14:21But notable
01:14:22Like Nicolas Flamel
01:14:23But there are others.
01:14:24Absolutely well known
01:14:25And contrasted
01:14:26Like Leonardo Da Vinci
01:14:27Leonardo
01:14:27That is one of the proposals
01:14:29They say that maybe
01:14:30Leonardo
01:14:30It will encrypt information
01:14:32Regarding this knowledge
01:14:33In some of his works
01:14:34And others more well known
01:14:36Like Jean Cocteau
01:14:37For example
01:14:37No?
01:14:38Roger Bacon
01:14:39O Newton
01:14:40O Newton
01:14:41Something that might seem a little strange to you
01:14:42And hard to believe
01:14:43Because of relationships
01:14:43They barely know each other
01:14:45No?
01:14:45Among those characters
01:14:46Yeah
01:14:46What happens
01:14:47If society
01:14:48It has been secret
01:14:49And discreet
01:14:49Well, it shouldn't surprise us.
01:14:51What is surprising
01:14:53It's because I'm discreet.
01:14:54And secret
01:14:54It will be revealed so clearly
01:14:57In the 1960s
01:14:58No?
01:14:59But it's true
01:14:59That this man
01:15:00Pierre Plantard
01:15:01He claims to be
01:15:02The Grand Master
01:15:04And not only that
01:15:04But it says
01:15:05To embody oneself
01:15:06The very royal blood
01:15:08The offspring
01:15:09Of
01:15:11Alleged offspring
01:15:12Of Jesus
01:15:12And Mary Magdalene
01:15:13No more, no less
01:15:14Mary Magdalene
01:15:15And Jesus
01:15:16Jesus' own wedding
01:15:18Some have written about this matter
01:15:20Like the wedding at Cana
01:15:21And above all
01:15:21The offspring
01:15:22And some people
01:15:23In the middle of the 20th century
01:15:24They stand as
01:15:25Owners
01:15:26Of that real right
01:15:28We asked Juan Arias
01:15:29Author of this book
01:15:30About Mary Magdalene
01:15:31The great taboo
01:15:32That Christianity hid
01:15:33That's what he titled it
01:15:33Regarding the possibility
01:15:35From this fanciful theory
01:15:37Jesus
01:15:38And Mary Magdalene
01:15:39And a royal lineage
01:15:41Well
01:15:42There is a lot of research being done now.
01:15:44This relationship
01:15:45It's already known
01:15:46That for centuries
01:15:47He was introduced to Mary Magdalene
01:15:48Well, with a changed character
01:15:50That it wasn't her
01:15:51She was introduced to him
01:15:52Like a prostitute
01:15:54Who washed feet
01:15:55Of Jesus
01:15:56When he entered the banquet
01:15:57That a Pharisee gave him
01:16:00And for centuries
01:16:01Even within the church
01:16:03In the liturgy
01:16:04From Mary Magdalene
01:16:05It appeared as if
01:16:06She was that prostitute
01:16:07That it had nothing to do with it
01:16:08Then he realized
01:16:10That no
01:16:10That Mary Magdalene
01:16:12He was a different character.
01:16:13It had nothing to do with it
01:16:14With the prostitute
01:16:15She wasn't a prostitute
01:16:16Nor was she possessed
01:16:17She was an educated woman
01:16:19Of Gnostic formation
01:16:22Probably
01:16:22There is even talk
01:16:23That
01:16:23Excellent
01:16:24After
01:16:25That it wasn't a
01:16:26A woman
01:16:28It could even be
01:16:28That it were not
01:16:29Not even Jewish
01:16:30That there could have been
01:16:30Come
01:16:31From paganism
01:16:33But really
01:16:34Which was
01:16:35It was a
01:16:36A cultured woman
01:16:37A cultured woman
01:16:38And
01:16:40Well
01:16:41It ended up being
01:16:42It ended up being
01:16:42As it appears above all
01:16:43In the Gnostic gospels
01:16:45The companion
01:16:47And above all
01:16:48The depositary
01:16:49From the doctrine of Jesus
01:16:52Strange above all
01:16:53In this church
01:16:54Well
01:16:54Strange in several ways
01:16:55The first is that one
01:16:55It is received
01:16:57As if he were a night watchman
01:16:58Otherworldly
01:16:58By that demon
01:16:59Asmodeus
01:17:00With a symbol
01:17:01That puts
01:17:02With this sign
01:17:02You will defeat him
01:17:03And that all that church
01:17:04Mariano
01:17:05Be a genuine manual
01:17:06Of occultism
01:17:07This priest
01:17:08He didn't just get rich
01:17:08But also
01:17:09He left a series of clues
01:17:10Unfortunately
01:17:11I don't think anyone can understand.
01:17:12Yeah
01:17:13The first thing that catches the eye
01:17:14It's even before that
01:17:15From the devil
01:17:17It's that inscription
01:17:19That appears on the frontispiece
01:17:20From the church
01:17:20This is a terrible place
01:17:21This is a terrible place
01:17:23In a sacred temple
01:17:24It seems absurd
01:17:25It certainly seems so.
01:17:26And when one enters inside
01:17:27It really is a terrible place.
01:17:29Because before
01:17:30It looked like a Masonic lodge
01:17:31That a Christian church
01:17:33Or a Rosicrucian center
01:17:35That a conventional Christian church
01:17:37They're all winks and nods.
01:17:38Directly related
01:17:40To that secret doctrine
01:17:42To that mysterious knowledge
01:17:43Which seems to be
01:17:44This priest boasted
01:17:45It is true that it puts
01:17:47With this sign
01:17:47You will defeat him
01:17:48Or you will defeat him
01:17:49The traditional phrase
01:17:50It is with this sign
01:17:51You will win
01:17:52Here it is added
01:17:54With this sign
01:17:55You will defeat him
01:17:56Whom?
01:17:56What was I talking about?
01:17:57This priest?
01:17:58Why are you receiving us?
01:18:00As you have to see, say
01:18:00This enigmatic
01:18:02Monstrous demon
01:18:03At the entrance
01:18:04And not just an image
01:18:06From a typical saint
01:18:07Perhaps her own
01:18:08Mary Magdalene
01:18:09Why the slabs
01:18:11From the pavement
01:18:12From the church
01:18:13They are willing
01:18:14As they are
01:18:14In the Masonic style
01:18:15Traditional?
01:18:16Why the Stations of the Cross?
01:18:17That is described
01:18:18On the walls
01:18:21From the church
01:18:22It has more stations
01:18:23Of the required ones?
01:18:24And why?
01:18:24On some occasions
01:18:25They look like representations
01:18:27As I told you before
01:18:28Clearly Masonic?
01:18:29That's all of this
01:18:30And much more
01:18:31Some of the things
01:18:32Of the mysteries
01:18:33What does the church contain?
01:18:34I arrived in Rennes-le-Chateau
01:18:35One night
01:18:37Everything completely
01:18:37Covered in snow
01:18:39The first thing I noticed
01:18:40In that darkness
01:18:41It's a town
01:18:41Which is still minuscule
01:18:42Despite
01:18:42The Da Vinci Code
01:18:43It has given it new life
01:18:44And it was a kind
01:18:45Of gargoyles
01:18:46Apart from the pillar
01:18:47The one we've talked about
01:18:47A type of gargoyle
01:18:49As children
01:18:49And the open mouth
01:18:51And the water was already frozen.
01:18:52Falling on him in the shape of a gosh
01:18:53Something a little strange
01:18:55Everything that surrounds
01:18:55That town is very strange.
01:18:56And it seems that nobody
01:18:57He solved it
01:18:58Was it gold?
01:18:59Were they gold coins?
01:19:00Was it a secret?
01:19:01From the Merovingians?
01:19:02Any lost treasure
01:19:03For Europe
01:19:03From that era?
01:19:04Or were they really documents?
01:19:05If they were documents
01:19:06They were talking about Jesus.
01:19:07And their descendants
01:19:08What has become of them?
01:19:09We know nothing
01:19:10Absolutely nothing
01:19:11Bernard Thibault
01:19:12He is one of the specialists
01:19:13Who has written a book
01:19:14About the Pirate of Zion
01:19:15That kind of fable
01:19:16The Da Vinci Code
01:19:17He has become a Bachelier
01:19:18International
01:19:19And that arises in that small town
01:19:20He answered us like this
01:19:21Leaning against the
01:19:23Exactly the same figure
01:19:24That demon
01:19:25Remember
01:19:26The demon that guards
01:19:27The treasure
01:19:27Asmodeus
01:19:55One more piece of information, Mariano
01:19:56I'm sure it will be of interest.
01:19:57To the people of the fourth millennium
01:19:58In the 3rd century
01:19:58From our era more or less
01:19:59There are a large number
01:20:00Made of material
01:20:01That the church does not consider
01:20:02Revealed or sacred
01:20:03And only a part
01:20:05It is the one that is still read today.
01:20:06As sacred scriptures
01:20:07However
01:20:07There are other chronicles
01:20:08Which are called
01:20:08Apocryphal Gospels
01:20:10Different types of books
01:20:11Some even
01:20:12Closer to the facts
01:20:13And to Jesus of Nazareth
01:20:14That the very
01:20:15Canonical Gospels
01:20:16And yet
01:20:16They contained
01:20:17Amazing things
01:20:18One of the great unknowns
01:20:20Of Jesus
01:20:20For example
01:20:20His childhood
01:20:21What do we know about Jesus' childhood?
01:20:23What was Jesus' daily life like?
01:20:25It's all speculation.
01:20:26However
01:20:26Around 1945
01:20:28Between 45 and 47
01:20:30In various deserts
01:20:31From Jordan, Israel, and Egypt
01:20:33They occur
01:20:35Amazing events
01:20:36Many times
01:20:37Bedouins
01:20:37They go with their goats
01:20:38His mules
01:20:39They are found in caves
01:20:40Or handling it badly
01:20:41The animal's gait
01:20:42And it sinks
01:20:43Suddenly
01:20:43Well, they are found
01:20:44A kind of earthenware jar
01:20:45Full of documents
01:20:46Some are the Dead Sea Scrolls
01:20:47Others would be
01:20:49The Nahamadi documents
01:20:50Okay, so what is all this?
01:20:51This is all to summarize
01:20:53A series of reports
01:20:54Well, practically
01:20:55They don't know each other
01:20:56They are from the time
01:20:57From Sacred Scripture
01:20:58And what are they talking about, Mariano?
01:21:00Of another Jesus
01:21:00Of a Jesus
01:21:01Quite different
01:21:02On some occasions
01:21:05Surprisingly different
01:21:06There are amazing miracles
01:21:08For example
01:21:09With childhood
01:21:09There are some amazing ones.
01:21:10Of course, there are amazing things.
01:21:11That are counted
01:21:12Of that child Jesus
01:21:12The one we don't have
01:21:13Evangelical news
01:21:14I mean
01:21:15From the moment
01:21:16In which he flees
01:21:16Of the alleged massacre
01:21:18From Herod
01:21:19Together with his family
01:21:19To Egypt
01:21:20And we never have it again
01:21:21News of him
01:21:22As I was saying
01:21:22Until he is 12 years old
01:21:23And he presents himself arguing
01:21:25In the temple
01:21:26Along with the
01:21:26Before the
01:21:27The rabbis
01:21:28From the temple
01:21:29In other words, 12 years of silence
01:21:30Exactly
01:21:30Where was he?
01:21:31Where was it formed?
01:21:32In some of those texts
01:21:34Those you have referred to
01:21:35Before
01:21:35Nahimagdi's texts
01:21:37For example
01:21:37That appeared in 1945
01:21:38In a casual way
01:21:39Because
01:21:40God is very mocking
01:21:42And fate is capricious.
01:21:43And things that are buried
01:21:44It seems like God
01:21:45She brings it up
01:21:46Just in case
01:21:47That's where they tell
01:21:48Truly amazing things
01:21:49Not just from childhood
01:21:50Of Jesus
01:21:50But also
01:21:51Of some relationships
01:21:53Curious
01:21:53Between Peter
01:21:54And Mary Magdalene
01:21:55As if there were
01:21:56Two interpretations
01:21:57Different from Christianity
01:21:58And one prevailed
01:21:59And one prevailed over the other
01:21:59Again, two different paths
01:22:01One that triumphs
01:22:02And another one that is sneaky
01:22:03Exactly
01:22:03Sometimes orthodoxy
01:22:04It is not orthodoxy
01:22:05Because it has truth
01:22:06But because it is stronger
01:22:07That's what happens
01:22:08Many times in history
01:22:09It gives the impression
01:22:10Therefore
01:22:10About that fascinating character
01:22:12There are still
01:22:13Much to explore
01:22:14They're doing that
01:22:15The researchers
01:22:16Writers
01:22:17Worldwide
01:22:17In all languages
01:22:18There's like a passion
01:22:19Through Jesus
01:22:19And on such a special day
01:22:20Like today
01:22:21We wanted to offer
01:22:22To all viewers
01:22:24Well, other different versions
01:22:25We already know the official ones.
01:22:27But others are there.
01:22:28Mariano
01:22:29Thank you so much
01:22:29Thank you for visiting Cuarto Milenio
01:22:30Thanks to you
01:22:31And that's it.
01:22:32In the town of mystery
01:22:33Of course
01:22:33We ended up in that place
01:22:34Which certainly
01:22:35He will never be the same again.
01:22:37What secret
01:22:38He would take it to his grave
01:22:39Berenguer Sonier?
01:22:39Why was it burning?
01:22:41Bundles of banknotes
01:22:42His
01:22:43Let's call it that
01:22:44Housekeeper
01:22:45Marí d'Ernó
01:22:46What's happening?
01:22:47Why the silence?
01:22:48What was discovered?
01:22:50The documents?
01:22:51Will we ever meet them?
01:22:52Will they come to light?
01:22:54Sincerely
01:22:54Let's hope so.
01:22:59As of today
01:23:00If we take stock
01:23:00We have received
01:23:01Thousands of photographs
01:23:03Recordings
01:23:03But what we had never received
01:23:06It's things like that.
01:23:07Carmen
01:23:08Like those plans
01:23:08So strange
01:23:09They look like they're written on skin
01:23:10We don't know
01:23:12If they are flat
01:23:13Or what
01:23:14They mean
01:23:14These strange drawings
01:23:16That are included in this file
01:23:18We don't know either
01:23:19The era
01:23:20In which they were made
01:23:21The only thing we know
01:23:23To be certain
01:23:23He's the one who sent it to us.
01:23:25It's Francisco García
01:23:26From Aranjuez
01:23:27He sent us
01:23:28These documents
01:23:29To see if we could
01:23:30Investigate them
01:23:31If we could give him
01:23:31Some data
01:23:32What was it about
01:23:33And really
01:23:34We stayed
01:23:35Petrified
01:23:35When we check
01:23:36Which precisely
01:23:37Regarding the topic
01:23:37That we have been
01:23:38Speaking of earlier
01:23:39De Relé Chateau
01:23:40They were reflected
01:23:41Some of the things
01:23:42Like the church
01:23:43In which they play
01:23:44That game
01:23:44Chess
01:23:45Asmodeus
01:23:46And Jesus
01:23:46Or some of the tombs
01:23:48That the priest
01:23:49Berenguer Sonier
01:23:49He was in charge
01:23:50To change
01:23:51To vary
01:23:52Even
01:23:52There's the plate
01:23:53Of the knights
01:23:54And the column
01:23:55Where apparently
01:23:56They were found
01:23:57The documents
01:23:58In which it is spoken
01:23:58From genealogy
01:23:59Of Jesus
01:24:00Now our work
01:24:01It's about investigating
01:24:02From what era?
01:24:03These are the documents
01:24:04And give him an answer.
01:24:05To Francis
01:24:06Hey, how did he get them?
01:24:08He got them
01:24:09On the trail
01:24:09He bought them
01:24:10To a character
01:24:11According to what he told me
01:24:12Since I spoke with him
01:24:13Very strange
01:24:14Which in turn
01:24:15I had found them
01:24:16In some ruins
01:24:17From an abbey
01:24:18Near Soria
01:24:19Well, very curious
01:24:21They appear to be invitations
01:24:22To continue the investigation
01:24:23What we can assure
01:24:24Nobody knew
01:24:25This topic
01:24:26That we were going to play
01:24:27Precisely today
01:24:27A night like this
01:24:28René Chateau
01:24:29They've arrived here
01:24:30The plans
01:24:30Curious coincidences
01:24:32How could it be a coincidence?
01:24:33That face she has
01:24:34One face
01:24:34Well, there are still some of those left.
01:24:36What to think, Carmen
01:24:36An image that reminded us
01:24:38Gabriel Chamorro
01:24:39From the Cradle
01:24:39In Tarragona
01:24:40They were playing
01:24:41A quiet game
01:24:42To the foosball table
01:24:43As we are seeing
01:24:44And someone
01:24:45Or something
01:24:45He appeared from behind
01:24:47As if wanting to intervene
01:24:48In that game
01:24:49It's a pale face
01:24:50Staring
01:24:52What they're doing
01:24:53These boys
01:24:54It has been analyzed
01:24:56This photograph
01:24:57Guillermo León
01:24:57He tells us
01:24:58That there is no manipulation
01:24:59Photographic
01:25:00Of no kind
01:25:01That pale face
01:25:02And sad
01:25:03I was there
01:25:04And that surely
01:25:05It's a doll
01:25:06Or of a figure
01:25:07May it adorn this neighborhood
01:25:09Well, the mystery is solved.
01:25:10From the figure
01:25:11That he was observing
01:25:12The foosball game
01:25:13Will it also be revealed
01:25:15The enigma of that other side?
01:25:16We don't know
01:25:17Because we don't know
01:25:18Who are they looking at?
01:25:19The face of that girl
01:25:20That appears
01:25:21In that species
01:25:22From a strange car
01:25:24Well, that was it
01:25:24An exhibition
01:25:25Of rare cars
01:25:26The photo was sent to us
01:25:28David García Gil
01:25:29From Zaragoza
01:25:30And he asked us
01:25:31What could it be?
01:25:32That which appeared
01:25:33Between the two parties
01:25:34Of that species
01:25:35Prefabricated bus
01:25:36And apparently
01:25:37Well, that's it
01:25:38According to what we have been told
01:25:39The analyses
01:25:40Everything seems to indicate
01:25:42Inside the car
01:25:43There was no one physically present
01:25:44But there should have been
01:25:45Some kind of poster
01:25:47Or some kind of mannequin
01:25:49Or even
01:25:49Which may be part
01:25:51From the seat
01:25:51From the car driver
01:25:52That it's drawn like this
01:25:53There it is
01:25:54And you should give your opinion.
01:25:55One of the photos
01:25:56What has attracted the most attention
01:25:57Of all the programs
01:25:58From Fourth Millennium
01:25:58It has been
01:25:59The one obtained inside a cup
01:26:00It has caused a sensation
01:26:02The photograph
01:26:04That he sent us
01:26:04Vanessa Pérez
01:26:05Auquillo
01:26:06And in which one could see
01:26:07By chance
01:26:07As they had agreed
01:26:08The coffee wells
01:26:09Making a human eye
01:26:11Our analyst
01:26:12What he has done
01:26:13It has been recreating
01:26:14In three dimensions
01:26:15The one who can be
01:26:16The face
01:26:16That may belong
01:26:17To that eye
01:26:18He has made comparisons
01:26:19Between a boy
01:26:20And a girl
01:26:20And it appears to be a female eye.
01:26:22An impossible coincidence
01:26:24Iker
01:26:24As it has been
01:26:25The one from these plans
01:26:26For example
01:26:26That they would reach us
01:26:27Just the week
01:26:28What were we going to talk about?
01:26:29That topic
01:26:30Well
01:26:30On a night like tonight
01:26:31It's nice to talk about coincidences
01:26:32Everything is magical
01:26:33In short
01:26:33And sometimes you need to rest.
01:26:35And to think how many things
01:26:36Apparently incredible
01:26:37If we think about it
01:26:39They happen to us
01:26:39At the end of the day
01:26:40If things happen to them
01:26:41How are you
01:26:42If they have documents
01:26:43Like these
01:26:43There are two ways to contact us
01:26:45Two ways to contact
01:26:46We must also thank them
01:26:48That many congratulations
01:26:49Christmas
01:26:50That they have sent us
01:26:51And they can send us
01:26:53Any material
01:26:53Through email
01:26:55Fourth Millennium
01:26:56@4.com
01:26:57Or, of course, why not
01:26:58By regular mail
01:27:00Gran Vía Street
01:27:01Number 32
01:27:01Third floor
01:27:0228.013 of Madrid
01:27:04And that it clearly states
01:27:05What is it for your program?
01:27:06For Fourth Millennium
01:27:07Well, we've tried.
01:27:09Let's get closer tonight
01:27:10So special
01:27:10To a character
01:27:11Exceptional
01:27:12Without a doubt
01:27:13Jesus of Nazareth
01:27:13We've done it
01:27:14With all due respect
01:27:15Honestly
01:27:16And above all
01:27:17Trying to see
01:27:18Areas that have always been
01:27:19Shadowed
01:27:20For a very simple reason
01:27:21Because we want to
01:27:22To investigate
01:27:22And we also have
01:27:23Right to know
01:27:24The other story
01:27:25In 7 days
01:27:26Our mystery ship
01:27:27He will continue to address
01:27:28Other universes
01:27:29Unexplored
01:27:30We promise
01:27:31Stories that are hard to forget
01:27:32They already know.
01:27:33We are Fourth Millennium
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