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00:00:23Welcome to Fourth Millennium.

00:00:24Tonight I assure you that we have many surprises prepared for all of you.

00:00:28Incidentally, one of them just arrived.

00:00:30This is a photograph, taken just a few days ago in the monumental city of Cáceres.

00:00:35A place, by the way, full of magic.

00:00:37But this will only be one of our questions.

00:00:39We will try to determine if it is a certainty or, on the contrary, as so often happens, an elaborate fabrication.

00:00:46Incidentally, tonight is also about history, conspiracy, investigation, and above all, mystery.

00:00:51Let's begin.

00:00:55The case of the severed hand shocked Spanish society in the 1950s.

00:00:59A mind-blowing plot involving Nazi doctors, cemetery desecrations, mutilations, and clues that no one has managed to decipher throughout this entire ordeal.

00:01:07time.

00:01:08Freemasonry is one of the topics that has generated the most interest in recent years.

00:01:13Tonight we will try to learn the secrets of this powerful society, from the inside.

00:01:19One of the founders of the real American CSI stated that he would never cross Mexico's so-called Desert of Death.

00:01:26And, of course, we do it with the aim of uncovering the sad mystery of the place where 4 have disappeared

00:01:32000 women.

00:01:33And, of course, we will see the enigmatic photographs of the viewers of Cuarto Milenio.

00:01:43On a cold morning in 1954, thousands of containers like this one I have here, an old milk can, appeared in different places

00:01:53of the capital of Spain.

00:01:54The same thing began to happen in other cities.

00:01:56People were selling an artifact that was truly useful in their daily lives.

00:02:01This is where milk and other liquids were transported.

00:02:03What was the reason for the apprehension, the astonishment, the disgust they had developed towards the old milkmaids?

00:02:10Perhaps he found it in an old house on Princesa Street, where a marchioness, Margareta Ruiz de Liori, lived.

00:02:16There, his daughter Margot Shelley had died under strange circumstances.

00:02:19Some spoke of a mysterious illness.

00:02:21Some said it was a no less inexplicable virus.

00:02:25The truth is that the police entered that house and found the body in a dark room

00:02:31of the deceased.

00:02:32Her tongue had been cut out, her eyes gouged out, and a milkmaid appeared almost half-hidden in the

00:02:38the gloom of that room.

00:02:40Upon opening it, the police found a human hand.

00:02:47Thus began a story that was truly sensational, 1954.

00:02:52This cover, which I'm going to show you, from the popular weekly El Caso, is one of the best-selling of the

00:02:59history of our country.

00:03:00And it has a history.

00:03:02The photo, the authentic photo of this hand inside the milk can, was so shocking that it had to be replaced.

00:03:10Censorship prevented that frame from appearing on the front page.

00:03:15What did the brilliant case director and founder Eugenio Suárez do?

00:03:18Very simply, right there on the printing press, he drew some letters with his own hand.

00:03:24These words are already legendary in journalism.

00:03:27The mystery of the severed hand.

00:03:30We understand the tremendous impact of that dark post-war society.

00:03:34A woman's hand with still-painted nails, emerging from the bottom of an old milk can.

00:03:40This is how this story began.

00:03:41This is a story that I assure you, you will not be able to forget.

00:03:45Few stories have shocked Spanish public opinion as much as the case of the severed hand, which occurred in the year

00:03:511954.

00:03:53The mutilation of the corpse of young Margot Shelley was carried out by her own mother.

00:03:58distinguished aristocrat whose life was every bit as impressive as that of the famous spy Matajari.

00:04:03What reasons led her to cut off her daughter's right hand, gouge out her eyes, and amputate her tongue?

00:04:10Madness? Witchcraft? Or something far more sinister?

00:04:14Margarita Ruiz de Leori was an exceptional woman.

00:04:17Someone who was ahead of his time.

00:04:19One of the first female lawyers that there has ever been in our country.

00:04:22He later also worked as a war correspondent. He was in the Moroccan War.

00:04:26He was a person connected with the intelligence services.

00:04:29But what exactly did the police inspectors find in the luxurious Madrid home on Princesa Street?

00:04:36Well, initially, when they arrived at Princesa Street, at an apartment that was still very important,

00:04:41in a truly privileged location in the city of Madrid of that time,

00:04:45From the mid-1950s, they make a meticulous record in a specific location,

00:04:51Something hidden appears: a milk can full of alcohol, and floating inside it is a human hand.

00:05:02Thank you!

00:05:23Thank you!

00:05:50Thank you!

00:05:52Thank you!

00:06:05And when she died, she was left alone, keeping vigil over the body, with only a few of her closest people.

00:06:15For example, her romantic partner at the time, who was a lawyer named José María Basols.

00:06:20Between the two of them, they did something with the corpse, they manipulated it.

00:06:23The other children did not know exactly what had happened and feared that their sister's body had been desecrated.

00:06:31Cuarto Milenio traveled to Bacete to reconstruct the case of the severed hand.

00:06:35In this town in La Mancha, a plot worthy of a novel continued.

00:06:40There, in its silent cemetery, lie the remains of the enigmatic marchioness.

00:06:45Man, she boasted of being one of the few women who called the dictator "tú" in front of the public.

00:06:50And another thing he did was say that he was one of the few people who had had relations with

00:06:55the creminate

00:06:56of the ruling class that existed in Europe and America.

00:06:59Well, in Albacete, two tall, blonde people start to be seen, and around that time the topic of smoke comes up.

00:07:06street.

00:07:07And it is believed, according to the Humita letters, that they were supposed extraterrestrials who lived,

00:07:11But all the facts point to them being Nazi doctors who had fled from justice.

00:07:15The impact of Margot Chile's mutilation has been perpetuated over time.

00:07:19And even today it remains an absolute taboo in the city of Albacete.

00:07:24Few direct witnesses remain from those times,

00:07:26like Dr. Ernesto Turegano Saavedra.

00:07:29On her country estate, Cuarto Milenio found a portrait of the Marchioness of Villasante,

00:07:34created in 1923 by the prestigious painter Rigoberto Soler.

00:07:40There stood the effigy of the protagonist of this strange story,

00:07:43which has always remained a secret.

00:07:46It was a big house,

00:07:48He enters a huge living room with a fireplace,

00:07:51and the painting was upstairs,

00:07:54that there was a distance from where I was.

00:07:56The painting was over 20 meters long.

00:07:58So the room was big, very big.

00:08:03To this day, many specialists still wonder about it.

00:08:06Why did the Marchioness of Villasante mutilate her own daughter?

00:08:10I think it was probably out of love for his daughter.

00:08:16That I had a lot, a lot of love and affection for him,

00:08:24And that's what made him do these things.

00:08:28Mother's love?

00:08:29Or could it be something more?

00:08:31According to what they said in Albacete,

00:08:33The Marchioness of Villasante did not get along very well with her daughter,

00:08:36a very religious and modest person,

00:08:38of a very different temperament from that of the Marchioness.

00:08:41Caridad Díaz, who knew Margot Schilly,

00:08:44confirms that that woman

00:08:45He selflessly cared for the sick people of Albacete.

00:08:49Very good, very ugly, blonde,

00:08:53who had corn-like hair,

00:08:55and lots of freckles,

00:08:56But he was the best person there was.

00:08:59Abundio Díaz Verdú, Caridad's husband,

00:09:02It also reminds me of the Marchioness's daughter,

00:09:04despite the time that has passed.

00:09:06To whom he had rented one of the basements

00:09:09for ripening bananas and fruits.

00:09:11A place where who knows what strange experiments take place.

00:09:14They could have been performed by the mysterious Nordic doctors.

00:09:18I knew her, I was with her,

00:09:21that I've spoken about a couple of times.

00:09:23The woman was a very kind woman,

00:09:24a woman who looked like a great woman.

00:09:28Charitable,

00:09:28What I saw in him,

00:09:30I haven't dealt with her for very long,

00:09:32but charitable,

00:09:33She was a good woman.

00:09:34What I knew about her,

00:09:36entrance and exit,

00:09:37normal, like any other normal woman.

00:09:40Abundio,

00:09:41as if the memory were impossible to erase,

00:09:44It reveals to us the strange customs

00:09:46of the Marchioness of Villasante.

00:09:47She had dogs,

00:09:49animals she,

00:09:50and he took very good care of them.

00:09:52To tell you that when the apicillin,

00:09:53apicillin,

00:09:55she,

00:09:56According to what they said,

00:09:58she used to buy it,

00:09:59when it was unknown,

00:10:00which was unknown,

00:10:01if it was already happening,

00:10:02that they had extracted the apicillin,

00:10:04that all of that,

00:10:05She used it to heal dogs.

00:10:12In Albacete,

00:10:13the case,

00:10:13as is normal,

00:10:14It caused a sensation.

00:10:15In that city,

00:10:16on Main Street,

00:10:17There was another of the large properties

00:10:19of the Marchioness.

00:10:20A house full of history.

00:10:22So full of history,

00:10:23that there are headlines

00:10:24from the newspapers of the time,

00:10:25Let them see what they call it.

00:10:28The House of Ghosts,

00:10:31and its mysteries.

00:10:33This big house,

00:10:35It was frequented by all kinds of people,

00:10:37from rancid to bolengo.

00:10:38There were rumors of strange parties,

00:10:40of Satanism,

00:10:41and above all, there was talk,

00:10:42through some passageways,

00:10:43from some basements,

00:10:43where there were hundreds of dog heads,

00:10:46and other animals.

00:10:47Many of them were eviscerated.

00:10:49On the walls of that house,

00:10:50strange signs appeared,

00:10:52symbols that the police,

00:10:53He couldn't decipher it.

00:10:55This house full of mysteries,

00:10:56has been visited in recent years,

00:10:57by many researchers,

00:10:59to the search,

00:11:00For example,

00:11:00to know who they were,

00:11:01those blond individuals,

00:11:03sometimes dressed in white coats,

00:11:05that,

00:11:05Pay attention to this information,

00:11:06They often said,

00:11:08They were approaching the cemetery,

00:11:09and they extracted or desecrated bodies,

00:11:11of the small cemetery of Albacete.

00:11:13Some people link these stories,

00:11:14with witchcraft,

00:11:15spiritism,

00:11:15even extraterrestrials.

00:11:17But,

00:11:17most likely,

00:11:18that they were Nazi doctors,

00:11:19protected,

00:11:20in basements of Albacete,

00:11:21Just like it sounds,

00:11:22in those 1950s.

00:11:24Our dear friend,

00:11:25Lorenzo Fernández,

00:11:25journalist,

00:11:26editor of Enigmas magazine,

00:11:27He was one of those who was there.

00:11:29He was able to see it with his own eyes.

00:11:30Lorenzo,

00:11:30welcome,

00:11:31good night.

00:11:31Good night.

00:11:32A house full of mystery,

00:11:33the one from Albacete,

00:11:34where it seems that,

00:11:34Well,

00:11:35This story really focuses on,

00:11:36No?

00:11:36I think a house of mystery,

00:11:38with a character shrouded in mystery,

00:11:39as the Marchioness herself was,

00:11:40No?

00:11:40She is a woman who, from the very beginning,

00:11:42being very young,

00:11:43It already stands out above what it was

00:11:44the high society of his time,

00:11:46No?

00:11:46The ladies of high society,

00:11:47who met in tea rooms,

00:11:49Well, to talk about the problems

00:11:51that existed in the country,

00:11:52for crocheting,

00:11:53It was even said,

00:11:53No?,

00:11:53to talk about spiritualism.

00:11:54And yet,

00:11:55This lady,

00:12:00one of the first feminists

00:12:03active activities that existed in our country,

00:12:04to the point that his character

00:12:05It reached the dictator's ears

00:12:07Miguel Plimo de Rivera,

00:12:08who was the one who sent him,

00:12:09no more and no less,

00:12:10who spies in Morocco,

00:12:12at that moment when

00:12:12Moroccan diplomacy

00:12:14and the Spanish

00:12:14They were going through a pretty bad time.

00:12:16This marchioness,

00:12:171920s

00:12:17spy in Morocco.

00:12:18Exactly,

00:12:19He goes there,

00:12:19besides,

00:12:20in fact,

00:12:20It's not like I'm going out to be a spy,

00:12:21but he acts as a spy.

00:12:23She manages to get through,

00:12:24not just once,

00:12:25but on several occasions,

00:12:26the enemy lines,

00:12:27to the point that it reaches

00:12:28to perform the task

00:12:30that is entrusted to him.

00:12:31Even then

00:12:31She starts,

00:12:33let's say,

00:12:34to investigate

00:12:34or she starts to be associated

00:12:36with certain cults

00:12:37a little strange.

00:12:38She says

00:12:39who had some love affairs

00:12:40with the leader

00:12:41Rifian Berber,

00:12:42Abdelkrim,

00:12:43and from there

00:12:44She enters the circles

00:12:45which we can call

00:12:46of secret societies

00:12:47that there are also

00:12:48in Islam,

00:12:49such as

00:12:49They are the Yesidis,

00:12:50in which she saw

00:12:52a benchmark

00:12:53and indeed the rituals

00:12:54which later

00:12:55he supposedly practiced

00:12:56were based in part

00:12:57in ideology

00:12:57that these people were promoting,

00:12:58which is more than 100,000 people

00:13:00the Yesidis

00:13:01that is in Islam

00:13:02and it is supposed

00:13:03that the acts

00:13:04which led

00:13:04during his life

00:13:05and above all

00:13:06the rituals

00:13:06that he was able to practice

00:13:07inter alia,

00:13:08the title that gives

00:13:09to this report

00:13:11The Severed Hand

00:13:11Well, nothing more and nothing less.

00:13:12which was based

00:13:13in those beliefs.

00:13:13Lorenzo Comumén

00:13:14He knows this story well.

00:13:15has also investigated

00:13:17in that area of Morocco

00:13:18the ancient cults

00:13:19many of them

00:13:20They are mutilation of people

00:13:21like a connection

00:13:22with the afterlife

00:13:23belong to one

00:13:24still

00:13:25on the other side

00:13:26body part

00:13:27of the deceased

00:13:27who is leaving

00:13:28to be united with him

00:13:29Could that be it?

00:13:30The mystery of the Severed Hand?

00:13:31Why the eyes

00:13:32And the tongue?

00:13:32What was the intention?

00:13:34There is another theory

00:13:34much more terrible

00:13:35strangest

00:13:36those Nazi doctors

00:13:38supposedly Nazis

00:13:39or Nordic

00:13:40they attracted attention

00:13:41in Albacete

00:13:41from the 1950s

00:13:42very tall people

00:13:43with almost albino hair

00:13:44Lorenzo was spoken to

00:13:45of virus

00:13:45of strange experiments

00:13:47and that the daughter

00:13:48Margot Sherry

00:13:48the marchioness's daughter

00:13:49dies from experiments

00:13:51I imagine they are wrong

00:13:52carried out in that house

00:13:54and then

00:13:54we need to say

00:13:55erase the traces

00:13:56erase body parts

00:13:58where he had settled

00:13:59that strange virus

00:14:00perhaps we would go in here

00:14:01in the most

00:14:02bizarre nature of this story

00:14:03But I think the important thing is...

00:14:04of each of the viewers

00:14:05is that they are located

00:14:06in that Spain

00:14:07from the late 1960s

00:14:08when the parish priest of Mairena

00:14:09Enrique López Guerrero

00:14:10receives a letter

00:14:11a letter

00:14:12in which some alleged

00:14:14extraterrestrials

00:14:14that belong

00:14:15to a planet

00:14:15called Smoke

00:14:16back then

00:14:17I repeat again

00:14:18one must position oneself

00:14:19at the moment

00:14:19the UFO phenomenon

00:14:20it was hatching

00:14:22at that time in Spain

00:14:22and the interest

00:14:23above all

00:14:24from the researchers

00:14:24was to contact

00:14:25with whatever it was

00:14:26and some people

00:14:27he sent letters

00:14:28typed

00:14:28saying they were extraterrestrials

00:14:30also the important thing

00:14:31This is what

00:14:31the letters

00:14:32They were carrying content

00:14:33mathematical

00:14:34astronomical

00:14:34scientist

00:14:35of a very high level

00:14:36that is to say

00:14:36It wasn't written by just anyone.

00:14:37and in this case

00:14:38Enrique López Guerrero

00:14:39which already highlighted

00:14:39in the research

00:14:40of the UFO phenomenon

00:14:41in its time

00:14:42received a letter

00:14:42saying that

00:14:43the first investigations

00:14:45that were carried out

00:14:46by these

00:14:47extraterrestrials

00:14:48from the planet Smoke

00:14:48it was precisely

00:14:49in a population

00:14:50Recoleta

00:14:51from Spain

00:14:52Albacete call

00:14:52and also

00:14:53were welcomed

00:14:53by one person

00:14:54who was a lover

00:14:55of the animals

00:14:55Margarita Ruiz de Liori

00:14:57there it seems to be

00:14:58that during

00:14:58according to what they said

00:14:59these letters

00:14:59during the execution

00:15:01from some experiments

00:15:02six viral hotspots

00:15:03escaped their control

00:15:04and they settled down

00:15:06no more, no less

00:15:06that the daughter

00:15:07by Margarita Ruiz de Liori

00:15:08Margot Shelley

00:15:09from there

00:15:10There was no danger

00:15:11propagation

00:15:12because it seems to be

00:15:12that viral hotspots

00:15:13They were at a great depth

00:15:14but nevertheless

00:15:15This woman

00:15:15poor Margot

00:15:16then he went in

00:15:17in a brutal decline

00:15:18which ended with his death

00:15:20obviously

00:15:20the next step

00:15:21which was

00:15:21eliminate those viral hotspots

00:15:22of the body

00:15:23And that's where we give

00:15:24with that strange ritual

00:15:25in which

00:15:26to the late Margot

00:15:29it is extracted

00:15:30the palmar dermis

00:15:31practically

00:15:32the tissue is removed

00:15:34epithelial of the tongue

00:15:34He also shaves

00:15:35completely

00:15:36pubic hair

00:15:37and finally

00:15:37His hand is cut off.

00:15:38and his eyes are torn out

00:15:39directly

00:15:40They remove his eyes.

00:15:41because of that brutality

00:15:42because of that cruelty

00:15:43We need to think

00:15:44in that extraterrestrial connection

00:15:45Man, I think there are

00:15:46some reasons

00:15:48more than well-founded

00:15:49food for thought

00:15:49in another theory

00:15:50which tells us precisely

00:15:52of that intervention

00:15:53of Nazi doctors

00:15:54but the brutality

00:15:54and the cruelty

00:15:55What's up with that body?

00:15:56It really is surprising.

00:15:58as our colleague Lorenzo says

00:15:59Imagine yourselves in that era

00:16:00a duchess

00:16:02of a marchioness

00:16:03sorry

00:16:03of high birth

00:16:04person

00:16:05who knew Franco

00:16:07Franco had been

00:16:08at home

00:16:08Rivera's cousin

00:16:09people of the highest

00:16:10political temperament

00:16:11and military

00:16:12I repeat, it was being said that...

00:16:13of strange parties

00:16:13and at home

00:16:15and properties of that marchioness

00:16:16is found

00:16:16a veritable bloodbath

00:16:18There are clippings and press.

00:16:19This was a shock

00:16:20that we cannot imagine

00:16:21the case

00:16:23he even sold

00:16:23one million copies

00:16:251950s

00:16:26in Spain

00:16:26the newspapers

00:16:27They can't reach it today

00:16:28not even close

00:16:29because of the anticipation

00:16:31that people had

00:16:31to get hold of these specimens

00:16:33day by day

00:16:33they were counting each other

00:16:34police records

00:16:36Some are tremendous

00:16:37large pots

00:16:38with members

00:16:39of cats and dogs

00:16:40skinned

00:16:41and with the feeling

00:16:43which doctors

00:16:44and also

00:16:45with surgery

00:16:46very precise

00:16:46have been participating

00:16:48than normal doctors

00:16:49would be

00:16:49in some basements

00:16:50underground

00:16:51on the property

00:16:52of a marchioness

00:16:52making it

00:16:53That's the mystery

00:16:54That's the enigma

00:16:55and little by little it grows

00:16:56in case anything was missing

00:16:57in the 1960s

00:16:5810 years after the case

00:16:59as Lorenzo has said

00:17:00certain people

00:17:01that have never been known

00:17:02who were

00:17:03which evidently

00:17:04They intended to deceive someone

00:17:05pretending

00:17:06by extraterrestrials

00:17:07They report that the two individuals

00:17:09from Albacete

00:17:09who were wandering around the cemeteries

00:17:11They were one of his own

00:17:12all this story

00:17:13It begins like this

00:17:14But then Lorenzo

00:17:15in that house in Albacete

00:17:16in that same mansion

00:17:18on Main Street

00:17:20There will be much stranger things

00:17:21not only that the signs

00:17:23on the walls

00:17:23with blood

00:17:24They are the same

00:17:25that appear

00:17:26in those letters

00:17:26of the alleged extraterrestrials

00:17:28but

00:17:30It is talked about

00:17:30paranormal phenomena

00:17:31of ghosts

00:17:32The press was already reporting it

00:17:33It is talked about

00:17:34strange experiments

00:17:35that we will be talking about

00:17:36What is truly surprising

00:17:37Besides,

00:17:38the haunted house

00:17:39as was already known

00:17:40that is, in Albacete

00:17:41then

00:17:42given the history

00:17:43especially now

00:17:43when it is triggered

00:17:44the whole event

00:17:46when she is found

00:17:46the hand inside

00:17:47from the milkmaid

00:17:48well, practically

00:17:49People were already categorizing

00:17:50that haunted house

00:17:51and it was very strange

00:17:52the one who was passing by

00:17:52dared to pass

00:17:53walking ahead

00:17:54of the house

00:17:55uncrossed

00:17:55to the other side

00:17:56precisely because of fear

00:17:57that there was

00:17:58what was happening there

00:17:58In fact, it is that

00:17:59this lady

00:17:59He had the strange habit

00:18:02It's curious, isn't it?

00:18:03seeing the tremendous affection

00:18:04that they had their animals

00:18:05she said

00:18:06that at a certain moment

00:18:07here in Madrid

00:18:07on his floor

00:18:09on Princess Street

00:18:09it came to have

00:18:10up to 17 dogs

00:18:11And the curious thing is

00:18:12It's those dogs

00:18:12They ate the finest meat

00:18:14that is to say

00:18:14They were very well fed

00:18:15very well cared for

00:18:17and yet

00:18:18what is striking

00:18:18It's just that this lady

00:18:19when a dog died

00:18:20which by the way

00:18:21It lasted him a very short time

00:18:22when a dog died

00:18:23he tore out their tongues

00:18:24sometimes even

00:18:25I ripped off their heads

00:18:26if he didn't gouge out their eyes

00:18:28I took their hearts away

00:18:29and literally

00:18:30he skinned them alive

00:18:31What was the point of this?

00:18:32practically

00:18:33If we look at the comparison

00:18:34from what later

00:18:35It happened with her daughter Margot

00:18:36It's practically

00:18:37the same

00:18:37from there

00:18:38it is triggered

00:18:39Quite a strange story

00:18:40haunted house

00:18:41of ghosts

00:18:42of strange sounds

00:18:43of people

00:18:44who doesn't dare to pass

00:18:45and of course

00:18:46not even go in

00:18:46inside the house

00:18:48And it's a story

00:18:48that reaches us practically

00:18:49until the 1990s

00:18:50and I would even dare

00:18:52to tell you that up to this day

00:18:53when that house no longer exists

00:18:54when what is in this place

00:18:55currently

00:18:56It is neither more nor less

00:18:57that the industry department

00:18:58from Castilla-La Mancha

00:18:59there just 5 years ago

00:19:01have occurred again

00:19:02strange phenomena

00:19:03has been investigated

00:19:04inside the house

00:19:05and have been found

00:19:06sufficient arguments

00:19:07food for thought

00:19:07that there's something strange there

00:19:08We'll leave it at that, Lorenzo.

00:19:09because they can't be lost

00:19:11the next part

00:19:11from Fourth Millennium

00:19:12We're going into that house

00:19:13Let's discover stories

00:19:15we'll find out

00:19:16Yes, as the press said.

00:19:17That was contraband.

00:19:18it was even thought

00:19:18smuggling jewelry

00:19:20inside the body

00:19:21of the dogs

00:19:21Or was there something else?

00:19:22What were those rituals?

00:19:24Why there specifically?

00:19:25what was being said

00:19:26And who went to those parties?

00:19:27of the house

00:19:28of the severed hand

00:19:29Let's try to find out.

00:19:31with our colleague

00:19:32who has done a phenomenal job

00:19:33Pablo Bellarrubia

00:19:34Don't miss it!

00:19:35the mystery

00:19:35as the weekly magazine said

00:19:37and the case

00:19:37of the severed hand

00:19:57Let's see

00:20:19The case of the severed hand

00:20:45The case of the severed hand

00:21:08The case of the severed hand

00:21:41The case of the severed hand

00:21:49The case of the severed hand

00:22:04The case of the severed hand

00:22:34The case of the severed hand

00:23:22The case of the severed hand

00:23:33The case of the severed hand

00:23:47Time and silence took over the history of this house

00:23:51Already in the 1970s

00:23:53The matter of the severed hand

00:23:54It would be mixed with another controversial and turbulent enigma

00:23:58The so-called smoke case

00:24:00A plot never fully clarified

00:24:02And in which diverse social groups

00:24:04They believed they had made contact with extraterrestrial beings

00:24:07Through mysterious typed letters

00:24:10They offered various pieces of information

00:24:12About life in a distant world

00:24:14Letters with a strange symbol

00:24:17And that they also referred to the events that took place in the Marchioness's house

00:24:21At this meeting they gave us photocopies of some letters

00:24:26From alleged extraterrestrials

00:24:29They called themselves humitas

00:24:32They said they came from a planet called smoke

00:24:35And they said they had been in Albacete

00:24:39Welcomed by the Marchioness of Villasante

00:24:43At home for a while

00:24:47And that in the basement of this house

00:24:49They conducted experiments on animals

00:24:51In these letters

00:24:53These alleged extraterrestrials

00:24:55They also said

00:24:56That Margot

00:24:59The Marchioness's Daughter

00:25:01He had died

00:25:03Because he had been infected

00:25:05From a virus

00:25:06That it had no origin

00:25:09Land

00:25:11And they hadn't been able to.

00:25:12Save her

00:25:13All this to me

00:25:14Which led me

00:25:15To deduct

00:25:17Then

00:25:18This woman

00:25:19That he had lived

00:25:20In Africa

00:25:21Which

00:25:22He performed

00:25:23It was a

00:25:25Ritual

00:25:28Maybe

00:25:28I don't know if it's black magic.

00:25:30I don't know if it's related.

00:25:32With death

00:25:33Necrophilic

00:25:34I don't know

00:25:35What type

00:25:36But a ritual

00:25:37With the daughter

00:25:39Since

00:25:41Their manipulation

00:25:43With animals

00:25:43The fact of

00:25:44Arrest

00:25:46The lizard

00:25:47Lizards

00:25:48Snakes

00:25:50And all this

00:25:50That didn't do anything for me.

00:25:52That sounded familiar

00:25:53Was

00:25:53Some kind

00:25:55Of ritual

00:25:56Weather

00:25:57That already happened

00:25:58In Africa

00:25:59Had it belonged

00:26:00To some sect

00:26:02Or at least

00:26:03Had I done

00:26:03This type

00:26:04Of rituals

00:26:06They have passed

00:26:0750 long years

00:26:08And no one has managed

00:26:10Clarify

00:26:10What happened

00:26:11With that woman

00:26:12Mutilated

00:26:12Not even with the mysterious

00:26:14Doctors

00:26:14That swarmed

00:26:15For the quiet

00:26:16City of Albacete

00:26:17Not at all, of course.

00:26:19What were they hiding?

00:26:20Those basements

00:26:21Dark

00:26:21Packed

00:26:22Surgical material

00:26:23Today

00:26:24Everything is presented

00:26:26Horrifying

00:26:26Like an old novel

00:26:28Hard to believe

00:26:29A novel

00:26:30However

00:26:31Full of raw

00:26:32And enigmatic

00:26:33TRUE

00:26:38As I was saying

00:26:39The great Paco Pérez Avellán

00:26:40A worthy story

00:26:41Like something out of a novel

00:26:42Lorenzo

00:26:43Thank you so much

00:26:43Thanks for your research

00:26:44For showing it

00:26:45In such a clear way

00:26:45Thank you for being here

00:26:46One more time

00:26:47It has been a pleasure

00:26:47Iker

00:26:48And he's with us too

00:26:49Santiago Camacho

00:26:50Because I know that many people

00:26:51They've been left with

00:26:52The rumor

00:26:52To say

00:26:53Well

00:26:53And who were those doctors?

00:26:55Nordic appearance

00:26:56That contrasted so much

00:26:58In that Albacete

00:26:59From the year 54

00:26:59And that suddenly

00:27:00They fled

00:27:01Leaving halfway

00:27:02Those experiments

00:27:03Nazis

00:27:04Well

00:27:04It sounds a bit loud

00:27:05Nazis in Spain

00:27:061950s

00:27:07But the documents

00:27:09They say yes

00:27:09That I knew it

00:27:10And doing all kinds

00:27:11From experiments

00:27:12And projects

00:27:13That never saw the light

00:27:14Santiago Camacho

00:27:15Good night

00:27:15Good evening Iker

00:27:16It's not a fabrication.

00:27:17It's not any

00:27:18Strange fantasy

00:27:19There were Nazis in Spain

00:27:21Hidden in different cities

00:27:22Yes, absolutely

00:27:23It's not a fantasy.

00:27:24But something very real

00:27:26In fact, Spain

00:27:27He became one

00:27:28Of the main shelters

00:27:29From ancient

00:27:31Officers

00:27:31From the German army

00:27:32Of the SS

00:27:33From the Gestapo

00:27:34From the Luftwaffe

00:27:35Of the different

00:27:36German Corps

00:27:36From World War II

00:27:38Which logically

00:27:40Having a regime

00:27:40Political

00:27:41Relatively

00:27:42Favorable

00:27:43Them

00:27:43And knowing

00:27:45That they weren't going to be

00:27:46They weren't going to be

00:27:46Persecuted

00:27:47In our country

00:27:47So they decided

00:27:49Take refuge here

00:27:49Well, some of them

00:27:50Accused

00:27:52Of war crimes

00:27:53To experience

00:27:54With human beings

00:27:54In concentration camps

00:27:55Etc

00:27:56We have an example

00:27:57In this photograph

00:27:58About this man

00:27:59I bet

00:27:59With a large scar

00:28:00Right in the face

00:28:01One of the

00:28:02I don't know

00:28:02We could call

00:28:03Geos

00:28:03From the Nazis

00:28:04In the sense of

00:28:05Soldier

00:28:06Highly specialized

00:28:07We have a great example.

00:28:08This is Otto Skorzeny

00:28:09Otto Skorzeny

00:28:10It is possibly

00:28:11One of the characters

00:28:12Most important

00:28:13From World War II

00:28:14He was the boss

00:28:15Let's put it this way

00:28:15From the commands

00:28:16Of the Green Berets

00:28:17Of the SS

00:28:18From the elite troops

00:28:20Of the SS

00:28:21Him, for example

00:28:22He is credited with

00:28:24One of the military operations

00:28:25Possibly bolder

00:28:27Of all time

00:28:28That was the rescue

00:28:28From Benito Mussolini

00:28:29When he was arrested

00:28:31When he was deposed

00:28:33As dictator of Italy

00:28:34A rescue

00:28:35What he had to do

00:28:36Using gliders

00:28:37Landing on top

00:28:38From a very high mountain

00:28:39With very little

00:28:40With very little margin

00:28:42To fall saved

00:28:42Well, this maneuver

00:28:43So bold

00:28:44She carried it out

00:28:45This man

00:28:45He also carried out

00:28:47Another one that was

00:28:48On the offensive

00:28:49From the Ardennes

00:28:50He, along with a group

00:28:52Of his soldiers

00:28:53Disguised as officers

00:28:55North Americans

00:28:56They managed to put

00:28:57They managed to put them in check

00:28:59To the entire army

00:28:59United States

00:29:00Confusing the troops

00:29:02Sending the divisions

00:29:03Armored vehicles

00:29:03In the wrong directions

00:29:05And it is even said

00:29:06That they had a plan

00:29:07To murder

00:29:08To the general himself

00:29:09Eisenhower

00:29:10This same photo

00:29:11This same

00:29:12She had it

00:29:13Even as president

00:29:14From the United States

00:29:15Always in his office

00:29:17On his desk

00:29:18For example

00:29:19Of what it was

00:29:19Or what I had

00:29:20Of what it had to be

00:29:21A great military man

00:29:21Well, this man

00:29:22Once it was sculpted

00:29:24Of war crimes

00:29:26That he was accused of

00:29:27Military prestige

00:29:29It was so tremendous

00:29:30That the very

00:29:32Allied officers

00:29:34They testified in his favor

00:29:35And they gained their freedom

00:29:36So he took refuge in Spain

00:29:38In Spain

00:29:39He worked as an engineer

00:29:40That was

00:29:40It was his profession

00:29:42But he did something else

00:29:43Here he set up

00:29:44The famous organization

00:29:46Odessa

00:29:47Odessa

00:29:47An acronym

00:29:49Which were

00:29:49As an organization

00:29:51From former members

00:29:52Of the SS

00:29:53Odessa was managed

00:29:54From the beginning

00:29:55In Madrid

00:29:56Here

00:29:56To very few

00:29:58Just a few kilometers away

00:29:59Where we are

00:30:00Ancient SS

00:30:02They managed to cross

00:30:04The border

00:30:04By certain means

00:30:05And everyone

00:30:07They were worn in Madrid

00:30:08The point of contact

00:30:09It was the restaurant

00:30:10Horcher

00:30:11A restaurant

00:30:11Extremely luxurious

00:30:13With a magnificent kitchen

00:30:14That still exists

00:30:15In the middle

00:30:17Alcalá Gate

00:30:17Right in the center

00:30:19From the city

00:30:20And that at that time

00:30:21Through the twists and turns

00:30:22Politicians of history

00:30:23Well, he was one too.

00:30:24Of the romantic centers

00:30:25Espionage

00:30:26In which secret agents

00:30:28From all sides

00:30:28Well, they met up

00:30:29That's where they arrived

00:30:30These old SS

00:30:32They gave a key

00:30:33And then

00:30:33They were put in contact

00:30:34With this man

00:30:35That he lived in a chalet

00:30:37On López de Hoyos Street

00:30:38In which

00:30:39From time to time

00:30:40I was going to have dinner

00:30:40Franco himself

00:30:42He wasn't there

00:30:42Dinner at the Pardo

00:30:43But Franco

00:30:44He had the courtesy

00:30:45Going out for dinner

00:30:46At Otto Skorseni's house

00:30:47Listen

00:30:47Ancient war stories

00:30:49Ancient war stories

00:30:50Elite commandos

00:30:51Therefore

00:30:52Santiago Camacho

00:30:52We conclude that

00:30:53Those doctors

00:30:54Supposedly

00:30:55Hypothetically Nazis

00:30:56They were experimenting on dogs.

00:30:57And who knows

00:30:58If with humans

00:30:59In the basements

00:31:00From the house of ghosts

00:31:01They could be

00:31:02Perfectly

00:31:03Nazi doctors

00:31:04Perfectly

00:31:05And it's a hypothesis.

00:31:07Likely

00:31:07Completely real

00:31:08Thank you very much, Santiago.

00:31:09To you

00:31:10So that's it

00:31:11Very possible

00:31:12That the hypothesis

00:31:13Extraterrestrial

00:31:14Spiritual

00:31:14Strange

00:31:15It dissolves

00:31:15And there's another one

00:31:16Much more down-to-earth

00:31:17Another much more direct one

00:31:18More carnal

00:31:18But equally disturbing

00:31:20Nazi doctors

00:31:21Experimenting

00:31:21So that

00:31:22And with whom

00:31:24Photographs

00:31:24Like the ones we've seen

00:31:25By Otto Skorseni

00:31:26And of the mystery

00:31:26From the severed hand

00:31:27They really are

00:31:28Of those who stay

00:31:29On the retina

00:31:29But there are others too.

00:31:30I know that you

00:31:31They cannot forget

00:31:32The photographs

00:31:33From the viewers

00:31:34From Fourth Millennium

00:31:53On mysterious art

00:31:55There would be much to talk about

00:31:56Of course

00:31:56What great teachers!

00:31:57Of all time

00:31:58They have always tried

00:31:59Draw things

00:32:00That belong

00:32:01Almost another reality

00:32:01However

00:32:03Sometimes the paintings themselves

00:32:04They reflect faces

00:32:05Mysterious

00:32:06And disturbing

00:32:07It happened with a photo

00:32:08From our viewers

00:32:09Those photos

00:32:10They always bring them

00:32:11They already know.

00:32:11Carmen Porter

00:32:12Good night

00:32:12Good evening Iker

00:32:13A photo

00:32:14How are you

00:32:15Jesus Regal

00:32:16She sent it to us

00:32:17This photograph

00:32:18It was made

00:32:18In a monastery

00:32:19From Ourense

00:32:19He was

00:32:21Visiting there

00:32:22And he decided to take

00:32:22Some shots

00:32:23From the paintings

00:32:24What did you think?

00:32:25More beautiful

00:32:25When he gets home

00:32:26It clarifies a little.

00:32:27The photo

00:32:28With a photo program

00:32:29And discover

00:32:30That a face

00:32:31Tremendous

00:32:32Like this

00:32:33It appears in the picture

00:32:34And at first glance

00:32:35Nothing could be seen.

00:32:36And that's because

00:32:37It's true

00:32:37That face is painted.

00:32:39In the picture

00:32:39And that makes sense.

00:32:40It stands to reason

00:32:41Think

00:32:42That belongs

00:32:43To that very painting

00:32:45And that it hasn't come out

00:32:45Reflected in the photograph

00:32:46Original

00:32:47Due to the lack

00:32:48Light

00:32:48You know they're done

00:32:50Reflectographies

00:32:50In the paintings

00:32:51And often

00:32:52They are discovered

00:32:53This kind of thing

00:32:54The painters

00:32:55They regret it

00:32:56At the last minute

00:32:57They don't paint that figure

00:32:58They paint another one on top.

00:32:59But they maintain

00:33:00The original drawing

00:33:01Gee

00:33:01We certainly know that.

00:33:02My own mother

00:33:03Restorer

00:33:04And he does these things

00:33:04And I see them every day

00:33:06Faces that are behind

00:33:07Over a layer of paint

00:33:08It seems that the artist

00:33:09He regretted it

00:33:09And he left other faces

00:33:11Perhaps some

00:33:12Save messages

00:33:12Who knows

00:33:13What does this face mean?

00:33:14There may also be

00:33:15Something behind this video

00:33:16A video I want

00:33:17That they may see again

00:33:17Because it has caused

00:33:19A controversy

00:33:19Unprecedented

00:33:20In Mexico

00:33:21Mérida

00:33:21Two boys

00:33:22They play ball

00:33:23And suddenly

00:33:24From a lamppost

00:33:25Something appears

00:33:26Something monstrous

00:33:27Which has been called

00:33:28Extraterrestrial

00:33:28Spirit

00:33:29Mocking goblin

00:33:30Whatever they want

00:33:31And of course

00:33:32Also the possibility

00:33:33Fraud

00:33:34The possibility

00:33:35That it has been done

00:33:35A setup

00:33:37Distributed

00:33:37Through a mobile phone

00:33:38There's more news

00:33:40Almost as surprising

00:33:41As if that were

00:33:42Indeed

00:33:42A strange thing

00:33:44Carmen

00:33:44Curiosity

00:33:45From our viewers

00:33:47It has led them

00:33:47Approve

00:33:48With computer programs

00:33:50And Abraham

00:33:50For example

00:33:51He sent us

00:33:52This curious video

00:33:53Made by himself

00:33:54Where we see

00:33:55How does it come out behind

00:33:56From a lamppost

00:33:57The body

00:33:57And it is he

00:33:58So this

00:33:59It can be done

00:34:00And then record

00:34:01With a mobile phone

00:34:02He says the ball

00:34:02Of the boys

00:34:03Upon seeing the video

00:34:04Several things surprise him

00:34:05That ball

00:34:06He goes to the flowerbed

00:34:07From the left side

00:34:08From the hallway

00:34:09And the boy

00:34:09Walking instead

00:34:10On the other hand

00:34:11When the normal

00:34:12It would be to make the journey

00:34:13Shorter

00:34:14It also says

00:34:15That alien

00:34:16That supposed extraterrestrial

00:34:18It leaves earlier

00:34:19He leaves before the boy

00:34:19I reached the post

00:34:20That too

00:34:21It bothers him

00:34:21And finally

00:34:22He says that afterwards

00:34:23To do the pantomime

00:34:24It's a setup.

00:34:25And on top of that

00:34:25It's out of sync.

00:34:27What can be done

00:34:28Perfectly

00:34:29And now with technology

00:34:30And the computer programs

00:34:31That we have

00:34:31It's very easy

00:34:32Perform this type

00:34:34From shots

00:34:34Well

00:34:35The truth is that

00:34:35The controversy

00:34:36I was there

00:34:36I was thinking personally

00:34:38That the great effect

00:34:39The curious thing

00:34:40It was about bringing a body out

00:34:41From such a narrow place

00:34:42Like a lamppost

00:34:43But our viewers

00:34:44One more time

00:34:45They are absolutely right

00:34:46It can be done

00:34:47If you have videos

00:34:48How are you

00:34:49Authentic investigations

00:34:50Like this one

00:34:51Well, there is an address

00:34:52Essential

00:34:52We have an email

00:34:53On Cuarto Milenio

00:34:54@4.com

00:34:56And of course

00:34:56Our postal address

00:34:57In the section

00:34:58From mail

00:35:0018189

00:35:01Putting it very clearly

00:35:02The postal code

00:35:03From Madrid

00:35:0428080

00:35:04And now, if you're ready...

00:35:06We invite you on a trip

00:35:07I don't know if it's macabre.

00:35:08Dark

00:35:09Definitely a tough trip

00:35:10It's a desert

00:35:11In northern Mexico

00:35:12Border with the United States

00:35:14Perhaps you have heard

00:35:15From Ciudad Juárez

00:35:16I'll leave you with an anecdote

00:35:18Ressler

00:35:19One of the founders

00:35:20From the real CSI

00:35:21From the US FBI

00:35:23He said it wouldn't happen.

00:35:24At night through that desert

00:35:25Not even with a size 45 cabbage

00:35:26At the waist

00:35:27Because?

00:35:29Very simple

00:35:294,000 missing women

00:35:31Many of them

00:35:32They emerge with a single hand

00:35:33As a sign

00:35:34As if anyone wanted to

00:35:35Let them see each other

00:35:36For some reason

00:35:37That escapes us

00:35:38Others arise

00:35:39With severed breasts

00:35:40Only one

00:35:41There are satanic symbols

00:35:42In many bodies

00:35:43Gender violence

00:35:45Or something else

00:35:454,000 missing

00:35:47500 dead

00:35:48On the return

00:35:49After the commercial

00:35:50We traveled to Ciudad Juárez

00:36:01If I were rich and powerful

00:36:03They had found the killer

00:36:05But then

00:36:06Since we are not rich

00:36:09With the breasts

00:36:09To the alopecias? Why

00:36:09Why?

00:36:11Why?

00:36:26Why?

00:36:31Why?

00:36:33Why?

00:36:36Why?

00:36:37What? Yes No

00:36:59Now we invite you on a trip to a desert, frankly, not highly recommended.

00:37:04Ciudad Juárez has become an icon of evil, crime, and impunity.

00:37:10Four thousand women disappeared, according to some figures, five hundred dead.

00:37:14Pink crosses all over those uninhabited and desolate hills.

00:37:17And books, many studies that try to speak out, to give voice to this whole story.

00:37:22For example, the case of Sergio González, a journalist, who also suffered threats of all kinds.

00:37:26Bones in the desert.

00:37:28Lately there have been many publications, because this now seems to be a popular demand.

00:37:33Forensic experts who do not want to continue their work.

00:37:35Girls who appear in veritable mass graves.

00:37:38Some even seem to have signs that could be related to Satanism or strange sects.

00:37:43Why is all this happening there?

00:37:45What's going on? Why isn't this incredible bloodbath being stopped?

00:37:48Is there anything that can be done?

00:37:50I want you to listen to some voices, recorded at the scene.

00:37:53These are the voices of Ciudad Juárez.

00:37:56Nothing has been done, and as far as I'm concerned, they're still not doing anything.

00:38:04Yeah?

00:38:05The only consolation I have now is that I know it is my daughter I have just buried.

00:38:12In my case, it's still stuck there.

00:38:14They haven't investigated anything.

00:38:16Like I said, there won't be one.

00:38:17If there is no justice here, there is my God.

00:38:20They would have already found the killer.

00:38:22If I were rich and powerful.

00:38:25They would have already found the killer, but well, since we're not rich.

00:38:36Nuria Varela is an editor at Interview.

00:38:39He has practically just arrived from those deserts.

00:38:41Nuria, good evening.

00:38:42Hello good evening.

00:38:43A place, I don't know how to describe it.

00:38:45How would you rate it?

00:38:46It's a horrible place.

00:38:48A French journalist once said that Ciudad Juárez is the city where not even the devil wants to live.

00:38:53And I think he has a good point.

00:38:55These 4,000 missing and 500 dead from the desert are...

00:38:58Almost always a very similar profile.

00:39:00Well, there are several profiles.

00:39:02In Juárez, we find that of those almost 500 murdered women, we don't know about them.

00:39:07Because, as you rightly said, the problem in Juárez is impunity.

00:39:10There are around 200 that do respond to those signals.

00:39:15They are very young girls, they even have common physical features,

00:39:20They have long, straight, brown hair, are of mixed race, and many were factory workers.

00:39:26And then there is another segment of the population that has been murdered, some of them girls,

00:39:32which is one of the most surprising and most painful things.

00:39:36This year, in fact, there have been many murders of girls.

00:39:39And then we have the phenomena of pure gender violence.

00:39:43Given Juárez's astonishing impunity, any husband can tell his wife...

00:39:48that tomorrow it will appear lying in the desert, which is how they appear, lying in the desert.

00:39:54I must admit that the Juárez issue impressed me greatly, just three years ago.

00:39:58On the very same day that a rather sinister figure was found in Mexico,

00:40:02that of the god Mikantecutli, and many people associated it, at least at first glance,

00:40:07Well, ancient cultures, people who sacrificed women,

00:40:10Because the strange thing is that some have turned up in actual mass graves,

00:40:14and the Women in Black, a series of associations that search for their missing members,

00:40:18Nuria, they were telling me about some incredible signs.

00:40:22Many of these girls appear without a breast, for example,

00:40:24with a mark in the hair, behind the head.

00:40:27What is this?

00:40:29Nobody knows.

00:40:31And that's the problem with Juárez, it has never been investigated.

00:40:34Most of the women and girls show signs of extreme sexual violence,

00:40:41and many of them with common features, almost all with their hands tied at the wrists behind their backs,

00:40:50usually using the laces from their own shoes,

00:40:52with one breast cut off and the nipple of the other bitten off.

00:40:57So, it's extreme sexual violence, right?

00:41:00But let's see, Nuria, one of the specialists might be right.

00:41:03who has investigated the matter, let him speak of genuine gangs of psycho-killers

00:41:08or demented people who think it's a good place to kill

00:41:10and that they are doing it with impunity night after night.

00:41:15I believe that in Juárez everything is possible, practically except organ trafficking.

00:41:19which has been ruled out because there has never been any indication that it is being carried out,

00:41:26neither in the corpses, nor in any device that would allow it,

00:41:30And besides, it wouldn't matter, they would be men and women.

00:41:32And the videos, the Snuff recordings, which have also been deemed practically impossible to find.

00:41:40because in all this time none of the girls have appeared.

00:41:43with the features of the girls from Juárez.

00:41:45As for the rest, all theories are possible.

00:41:48And I think there will probably be several.

00:41:53You mentioned, Nuria, a possibility that I want people to know about,

00:41:55because perhaps the term is unfamiliar to some,

00:41:57Snuff Movie, films that made him famous in Spain in the artistic sense

00:42:02and referring to them as legend, Alejandro Amenábar with his thesis, for example.

00:42:06Movies where a girl was killed in front of the cameras

00:42:09And then that tape was paid for in thousands of dollars,

00:42:11But those tapes have never surfaced, have they?

00:42:12It needs to be made clear.

00:42:13Of course, of all the raids that have been carried out,

00:42:15every time there is a seizure,

00:42:17No film featuring Mexican girls has ever been released.

00:42:20with girls with Juárez's characteristics.

00:42:23That's why it's one of the few theories, along with organ trafficking, that has been ruled out.

00:42:26And Satanism, for example?

00:42:28Well, in Mexico they talk about narco-satanism,

00:42:32not just Satanism, but linked to the cartel and drug trafficking.

00:42:38There is... it's also a mystery.

00:42:40Oscar Maínez, who was the coroner of Juárez for a time,

00:42:45the chief of the forensics team,

00:42:46It speaks of the appearance of a board in a cabin.

00:42:50Well, girls usually appear in a desert,

00:42:54in the hills of Poleo, Lote Bravo, in Cerro Negro,

00:42:57in Black Christ.

00:42:58Well, there, in one of these places, a board appears with traces of blood.

00:43:06and with symbols that seemed to indicate that they might be close to narco-satanism.

00:43:12But the table has disappeared, so, as we said before,

00:43:17No avenue of investigation can be pursued because no evidence has been preserved.

00:43:22Not this one either.

00:43:22Let these words of yours, Nuria, and these images and this denunciation at least serve a purpose

00:43:27as a final tribute to that person you knew,

00:43:30who fought for the truth about Juárez to be known

00:43:32And of course we are committed to continuing to provide updates.

00:43:35That's what we journalists can do for this city

00:43:37where, you said, not even the devil dares to visit her.

00:43:41Yes, where not even the devil wants to live.

00:43:43Thanks for your work, huh? Important work, Nuria.

00:43:45Thank you.

00:43:46Thank you. Ciudad Juárez, a place where, as we were saying,

00:43:49There was even talk of narco-satanism, all sorts of theories,

00:43:52about organ theft, about Snoop movies, and in the end we know nothing.

00:43:54Above all, impunity, silence, and a place, we repeat, that is not recommended.

00:43:58There are still brave people like Nuria Varela and so many other colleagues

00:44:01who have gone to bring us the images and to denounce what is happening.

00:44:05Images of pink crosses in the desert, images of discoveries almost every day,

00:44:09Images we cannot forget.

00:44:31There has been much talk surrounding Ciudad Juárez about the possibility of satanic sects,

00:44:35sects that sacrifice people by offering their organs to the sun, to the sun god,

00:44:39are acting and are the main reason for this wave of crimes.

00:44:434,000 missing, approximately 500 women killed in the last 10 years

00:44:48in that desert of torture, in that desert which, I repeat,

00:44:52Many of the great founders of the modern CSI, the FBI,

00:44:57They say they couldn't get through even with a .45 Colt.

00:45:00We were there to try to understand that there are other, stranger, and more hidden things.

00:45:05around Ciudad Juárez.

00:45:06One of them could be in this key, the narco-satanists.

00:45:10A rather strange name, which might not mean anything here in Spain,

00:45:13but in Mexico it is synonymous with terror.

00:45:15It was the late 1980s and some people turned a nightmare into a real reality.

00:45:21a real death ranch.

00:45:23Carmen Porter, the narco-satanists' story is truly impressive.

00:45:26They say there are still narco-satanists in that area, in those deserts.

00:45:30Yes, indeed, it all happens, Iker, in 1989, when the Federal Police,

00:45:36In the Mexican state of Matamoros, he finds a number of people

00:45:41who were engaged in performing strange rituals.

00:45:44When they entered the Santa Elena ranch, which was where this group met,

00:45:48What they find is a museum of tremendous horror.

00:45:51They have a pot, an iron cauldron, which they call an enganga.

00:45:55Bargain.

00:45:56Yes, indeed, that was where they made the potions that they all then had to drink.

00:46:01Those potions consisted of human blood, and the brains of some of his victims,

00:46:06and they also threw in heads or viscera of some animals.

00:46:12When the police enter, what they find is a cauldron full of everything I just mentioned.

00:46:18and they also find several altars throughout the entire ranch.

00:46:24Altars that they initially believe to be voodoo altars, which they later identify as satanic,

00:46:29and then they see that the people who are carrying him, the godfather, as they called him,

00:46:34Adolfo de Jesús Constanzo is one of the biggest drug traffickers in Mexico.

00:46:40Hence the term "satanic drug trafficker," referring to drugs and Satanism.

00:46:45of those rituals they carried out.

00:46:46Constanzo, a demon made flesh, caused terror for years in that ranch of death.

00:46:51Were there details so overwhelming for these people that some still identify them as the cause?

00:46:56Regarding some crimes in Ciudad Juárez, I believe they made necklaces and ties out of human bones, is that true?

00:47:01That's right, that's right.

00:47:03His victim, Mac Pilroy, was a young man who was studying medicine; he was 21 years old.

00:47:08When the godfather decides to send someone who looks like him,

00:47:13that she is physically attractive, has a good character, and wears expensive clothes,

00:47:23and they find this boy who had gone on vacation with other friends,

00:47:26They were at university and had gone on vacation to Matamoros to spend a weekend.

00:47:31They find him, kidnap him, and keep him tied up for 12 hours with a kind of spiked chain.

00:47:39And after torturing him several times, they cut off his limbs, his legs, his penis, his testicles.

00:47:45And then they kill him. They kill him by tearing out his heart and removing his brain.

00:47:50Constanzo, if it is celebrated, and what was his end? How did this man end up?

00:47:53Constanzo ended up committing suicide, but before that you had asked me about the bones,

00:48:00those bones that are used to make a necklace.

00:48:03The backbone of this guy, Mark Kilroy, is the one he uses,

00:48:08She tears off her spine and uses it to make a necklace.

00:48:11With all this, do you know what he wanted, Nicker? To become immune to the rest of the world.

00:48:16They believed that this way the bullets wouldn't harm them in any way,

00:48:20that all evil would be driven away from them. These kinds of rituals were for that purpose.

00:48:25Rituals of protection against the police, because these people also, almost logically,

00:48:29And as titles like this book from our library, which is from Mexico, indicate,

00:48:33Given the impact of those events, he became truly famous and truly provocative.

00:48:38There were even battles between people who claimed to be worshippers of Constanzo,

00:48:41And the thing is, evil, as incredible as it may seem, appears to attract many people.

00:48:45And there were followers who continued to commit strange crimes.

00:48:48What's more, I'm sure you remember a film starring Bardem,

00:48:55that international actor who got into Constanzo's body.

00:48:59Perhaps the title will give you more information.

00:49:01Perdita Durango.

00:49:03Rituals were performed there, cauldrons of blood,

00:49:06a terrible story that seems worthy of science fiction

00:49:09And once again it must be noted that it was absolutely real.

00:49:41Fortunately,

00:49:43These past seven days this week have brought more pleasant news

00:49:45that the grim story of Constanzo and his ranch of the dead.

00:49:49For example, now that the subject of divine names is so fashionable,

00:49:53A fish is the curious protagonist, Carmen.

00:49:55The truth is, yes, a British man of Muslim origin

00:49:58He claims to have discovered a strange fish that has divine inscriptions.

00:50:02Kazim Khan has shown the fish where it apparently miraculously

00:50:06The words Allah and Mohammed have appeared.

00:50:08According to Kazim, the scales of the animal, which was purchased in a store for about 15 euros,

00:50:13They created these inscriptions to deliver a divine message.

00:50:16What's truly divine is the price they're already offering Khan for the fish.

00:50:19More than 50,000 euros, although they don't intend to sell it at the moment.

00:50:23but do use it for a good cause to help the poorest countries.

00:50:27In addition, a website, frizzformala.com, has been set up.

00:50:31where through a webcam we can see the movements of this curious little fish.

00:50:36Incredible, and that's despite the fact, as I said, there was a huge cloud of dust.

00:50:39The fish is just sitting there peacefully; we don't know if they'll end up cooking it.

00:50:43or it will be displayed stuffed in a museum.

00:50:45That's certainly interesting.

00:50:46Out of curiosity, is it another animal or other animals?

00:50:48The turtles.

00:50:49The truth is, yes, because these animals are serving

00:50:52to measure the behavior of the climate.

00:50:55These animals, considered by scientists, are indeed unique.

00:50:57as one of the oldest species in the world,

00:51:00Every year around this time they arrive on the beaches of South Africa to nest.

00:51:04There they have found that there is less and less space for sand.

00:51:07to make their nests.

00:51:08This, according to specialists, indicates that the glaciers are melting

00:51:12It is raising the level and temperature of the water on the planet.

00:51:15And we end with the discovery of a temple.

00:51:19I always imagine the moment, the instant, the image it produces, I imagine,

00:51:25incredible sensations in the discoverer.

00:51:27When some stones are thrown, a small door opens,

00:51:29Who knows how it happened, and he finds himself in a temple with mysterious figures like these.

00:51:33A team of archaeologists has unearthed in India

00:51:36a temple that can provide a lot of information, both commercial and cultural,

00:51:40of what that culture was.

00:51:42The discovery was made in the town of Kola Pakam

00:51:45and it is a temple built in honor of Shiva.

00:51:48A number of inscriptions have been discovered there.

00:51:50and two enormous Buddha statues.

00:51:52Four pillars of the temple have also been found

00:51:55and a statue with Mongolian features

00:51:56which indicate the Asian influences they had.

00:51:59The inscriptions have revealed commercial and cultural information

00:52:02unknown so far

00:52:04and that the most important Hindu kingdom in Sumatra

00:52:06It was Esri Vihaya.

00:52:08By the way, Carmen, have you ever heard of the Blood Gang?

00:52:12That urban legend, or not so much a legend,

00:52:15that's running on the internet, right?

00:52:17It's running at breakneck speed.

00:52:19In Almería, for example, a fax is reproduced

00:52:22with the local police

00:52:23and some members, for example, of various notaries

00:52:26who claim there is genuine terror, genuine panic.

00:52:29A mysterious black car,

00:52:31a mysterious car that also has no lights.

00:52:33You're stalling before you can tell him.

00:52:35that it can cause a cataclysm, an accident.

00:52:37And they say that the occupants of that vehicle

00:52:40They stop dead in their tracks, they chase him

00:52:42and in the end they end his life.

00:52:44The Blood Gang,

00:52:45a topic that is currently under scrutiny.

00:52:48Let's find out what's true

00:52:50And what about lies?

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00:53:56Sometimes a simple, innocent email

00:53:59that can reach our computer,

00:54:00Can you send us a printed copy?

00:54:01It hides a real time bomb.

00:54:04It happened just a few weeks ago

00:54:05And all of Spain has been shaken by this story.

00:54:08Have you heard of the Blood Gang?

00:54:10Of course, the term comes from a very old place,

00:54:12But in places like Almería,

00:54:14That's where the first outbreak started,

00:54:16Almería, Córdoba, Sevilla, Madrid, Galicia,

00:54:18There has been genuine fear

00:54:20a black car moving forward without lights

00:54:23And, well, crossing paths with him is practically a death sentence.

00:54:27Urban legend, reality,

00:54:29myth constantly reinforced by the internet.

00:54:32What's going on?

00:54:32What is true and what is false about the blood gang?

00:54:35He has investigated this matter

00:54:36our colleague and writer of this program,

00:54:38Alberto Granados.

00:54:38Welcome, Alberto.

00:54:39How are you? Good evening.

00:54:40What have you found?

00:54:41Well, the truth is that I've found

00:54:43a repetition of events.

00:54:45In other words, we are seeing

00:54:46how from a primitive fact

00:54:48evolution has begun

00:54:49and it has begun to lead to a number of other things.

00:54:52But nevertheless,

00:54:52in some cities in Spain

00:54:54posters have been hung

00:54:56announcing the danger that, please,

00:54:58If you see a car that is usually dark, black,

00:55:00without lights,

00:55:01Never give him the runaround.

00:55:02We are also accompanied by

00:55:03the chief commissioner of the central district of Madrid,

00:55:06dear friend of this program,

00:55:07Commissioner, Mr. José Manuel Sánchez.

00:55:09Welcome.

00:55:10Good night.

00:55:11José Manuel,

00:55:12This news,

00:55:13even with a fax supposedly from the police,

00:55:15with police stamps,

00:55:17It's circulating on the internet.

00:55:18But it's false.

00:55:19It's just an urban legend.

00:55:22Clear.

00:55:22The thing is,

00:55:23like all urban legends,

00:55:24it can end up being a dangerous element

00:55:26when a smart one appears

00:55:28who wants to make it a reality.

00:55:29Let's see.

00:55:30And what urban legend is that?

00:55:31You are driving your vehicle,

00:55:32quietly,

00:55:33in the middle of the night,

00:55:34And that's what you find,

00:55:35a car that seems to have forgotten

00:55:37to turn on their lights.

00:55:38So what happens?

00:55:39Our team from Cuarto Milenio

00:55:41has attempted to recreate an encounter,

00:55:43what they say is happening,

00:55:44especially in southern Spain,

00:55:46and quite frightening for many populations,

00:55:48with the blood gang.

00:56:09and with the blood gang.

00:56:51It's common for drivers to flash their high beams to warn someone they might cause an accident by driving to

00:56:57dark

00:56:57But it seems the Blood Gang is deliberately going dark to chase us, block us, and then shoot us several times.

00:57:04brain cover

00:57:05This is the story, Alberto, a story that has completely spiraled out of control

00:57:09Newspapers throughout Andalusia, especially in Malaga, reported several shootings and many other incidents that suggest this is happening.

00:57:15really passing

00:57:16Of course, what we were talking about and what the commissioner mentioned earlier is what happens

00:57:19Often, what happens with these urban legends is that they lead to repetition and...

00:57:23imitation

00:57:23It is true that in some places, especially in Andalusia, we even had an incident in Malaga

00:57:29In which one real car was shot at another

00:57:31Although I think the reason was more likely a dispute between kids than between gangs

00:57:36What are these initiation rites supposed to be?

00:57:38What is true is that many repeat themselves, many imitate, and surely some always come up with the...

00:57:43idea

00:57:43Driving without lights at night is just to scare people.

00:57:46However, this is giving rise to another urban legend.

00:57:49For example, it's being said that the Civil Guard is putting up signs on some roads.

00:57:54Please refrain from flashing your high beams or headlights.

00:57:58Thus, one legend is feeding back into another, so to speak.

00:58:01I can tell you, and I'm not joking, that on our sister program

00:58:04On the radio, on the Ser Milenio 3 network

00:58:06We heard about this news and wanted to ask people

00:58:09We received thousands of messages from absolutely terrified people

00:58:12Because they said they had crossed paths with cars in the dark.

00:58:15Inside with several gang members

00:58:17And who is to blame for this? Why has it grown so suddenly?

00:58:20Who is to blame? José Manuel?

00:58:21Well, the internet is probably mostly to blame.

00:58:24I believe that the fundamental blame, to put it mildly, is...

00:58:29This is largely due to the information society we are currently living in.

00:58:34And naturally, the police need to provide information about what they do

00:58:40Because the right to freedom of information requires it.

00:58:44And I think this has suddenly emerged, again, I think so, that's all.

00:58:48In other words, I have no basis other than pure personal reflection.

00:58:52And many years of experience

00:58:53And talking about it with some colleagues who know much more about this than I do.

00:58:56Well, it turns out that here we have a series of parts

00:58:58This comes as a gang legend, actually from back in the 70s.

00:59:05I think even before

00:59:07It was therefore a way of increasing their importance, of making themselves known.

00:59:11He moved on to the gangs that came later in the United States

00:59:15The Latinquin or such

00:59:17Or he later moved to the gangs of El Salvador or Guatemala

00:59:21And here it happens that last year was a particularly tough year for Latino groups.

00:59:28The Latinquín, the Ñetas, the Dominican Tunos play

00:59:32So it turns out we had some of these deaths

00:59:36Latin bands became fashionable

00:59:38And the police had to give a lot of information about how we were arresting all those who were killing.

00:59:43All this, as we pursued them, to relax and reassure the population

00:59:47Put the two things together and there you have it.

00:59:49In other words, someone who knows the previous legends

00:59:51Anyone who knows all this information

00:59:54And wants to play online and is a bit of a crazy person

00:59:59So I'll do it there.

01:00:01There is also another issue

01:00:03It's just that we normally have the custom here of turning on the lights.

01:00:06Or they had the custom

01:00:07Naturally, I don't, out of pure solidarity.

01:00:09But there's a custom when the Civil Guard is somewhere

01:00:13Waiting, then, to catch offenders

01:00:16Then the lights were used to warn that the Civil Guard was present.

01:00:19In order to frustrate the fulfillment of their obligation

01:00:21Well, that also falls under part of the plan

01:00:26Some films have even aired scenes

01:00:30Regarding the alleged blood gang

01:00:32But one wonders, as a journalist

01:00:34The legend is that several Hispanic-looking men

01:00:39According to legend, I'm not saying anything.

01:00:41They get out of the vehicle and shoot you.

01:00:43And they kill the whole family

01:00:44The fax that was sent to different points in Spain

01:00:47But keep this fact in mind.

01:00:49Strategically to different points where there is conflict with many of these gangs

01:00:52He said they were killing everyone.

01:00:54Of course, no entire families have been found dead inside a vehicle.

01:00:58In Spain lately

01:00:59But sometimes urban legends have a basis in reality.

01:01:02And you were telling me, José Manuel

01:01:04Stories that are believed to be legends, like the so-called Colombian tie.

01:01:07Yes, you have experienced it as police officers.

01:01:09And yes, it is happening

01:01:10Sure, but it makes sense

01:01:12What is a Colombian tie?

01:01:14The Colombian tie

01:01:15We had it last week, I mean, 10 days ago.

01:01:18One specific case in Móstoles

01:01:21Colombian tie

01:01:22Well, it's quite simple

01:01:23To one person, some heartless people

01:01:26They cut his neck

01:01:28They stick out his tongue through that cut and leave it hanging out.

01:01:31They usually die from asphyxiation

01:01:33And if not by suffocation, then by bleeding out

01:01:37And this has happened in Móstoles

01:01:388 or 10 days ago

01:01:40To a Spaniard of Venezuelan origin

01:01:43His wife found him

01:01:44That she was Colombian

01:01:45When I was coming from...

01:01:47This had been dead for two or three days like this.

01:01:49Besides

01:01:50With a sign

01:01:52That they left on the walls

01:01:53The one who killed him

01:01:54What was he saying?

01:01:54Memories of the Canary

01:01:56This is something about the canary.

01:01:57He was referring to the canary.

01:01:59Sure, but

01:02:00This makes sense.

01:02:02Macabre, terrible and brutal

01:02:04But it makes sense.

01:02:06The other thing, no.

01:02:06That is to say

01:02:07In every legend of this type

01:02:09When there is a benefit

01:02:13You might think that's true.

01:02:14That is to say

01:02:14It can happen

01:02:15When there isn't one, there isn't one.

01:02:16In this case

01:02:17The profit is huge.

01:02:18But it is.

01:02:19That is to say

01:02:19It's about showing everyone

01:02:21He's probably let the cat out of the bag.

01:02:23Or that they believe he has let the cat out of the bag.

01:02:25Not necessarily to the police

01:02:26Or to competing criminal groups

01:02:29And they give him a warning.

01:02:31Which is generally not to the dead

01:02:33Because she has enough on her plate.

01:02:35But in the way

01:02:35Because it's spectacular

01:02:37And it will be known

01:02:38For many people

01:02:38Whoever does this

01:02:40That is to say

01:02:40The one who sings

01:02:42Or the one who tells the rival gang

01:02:44What happens

01:02:45Look what's happening to him

01:02:46He's going to suffocate.

01:02:47But not the other thing

01:02:48That is to say

01:02:48Killing for the sake of killing

01:02:49It doesn't make sense.

01:02:50The urban legend

01:02:51Unlike the story

01:02:52Born to be believed

01:02:53So that we become afraid

01:02:55And with a moral lesson

01:02:56Alberto Granado

01:02:57Our colleague

01:02:57He has tried to reach

01:02:58Up to the starting point

01:03:00From this story

01:03:00Which ultimately focuses

01:03:02In the United States

01:03:02More than 40 years ago

01:03:04Well yes

01:03:05Look

01:03:05Between the 1970s and 1980s

01:03:07It started as an urban legend

01:03:08In which they spoke

01:03:09Of the angels of hell

01:03:10That is to say

01:03:11It was said

01:03:11Or it was sent

01:03:12At the time

01:03:13By fax

01:03:13Or through rumors

01:03:15That is to say

01:03:16Well, if you find yourself

01:03:16Some motorcyclists

01:03:17With the lights off

01:03:18Don't give them the flash of light

01:03:19Because they turn around

01:03:21And they finish you off.

01:03:22Then he moved

01:03:23To the angels

01:03:23With the gangs

01:03:24Of the angels

01:03:25Latino gangs

01:03:26And African American gangs

01:03:27Also with the same story

01:03:29A very similar story

01:03:30Be careful

01:03:31With a certain gang

01:03:33If you go at night

01:03:34And so on

01:03:34All this later

01:03:35It was transferred

01:03:36Even the gangs

01:03:37Those Guatemalan gangs

01:03:39Also

01:03:39It was a ritual

01:03:40Beginner

01:03:41All of that

01:03:41It has been evolving

01:03:42Until now

01:03:43From the year 1993

01:03:45It became more popular

01:03:46In the United States

01:03:47In England

01:03:48And now he's coming to Spain.

01:03:49But curiously

01:03:50As you rightly say

01:03:51In the end, many times

01:03:52One finds

01:03:53Well, a message

01:03:54Well, racist

01:03:55Because it always goes

01:03:56To the sites

01:03:57Where, then, in this case

01:03:58There are more immigrants

01:03:59Or there are problems

01:04:00With some community

01:04:01On the net

01:04:02Thank you Alberto Granados

01:04:03Thanks for your research

01:04:04On the net

01:04:04Everything finds

01:04:05A good breeding ground

01:04:06Everything spreads

01:04:08And everything sometimes

01:04:09We believe it.

01:04:09José Manuel

01:04:10What can be done

01:04:10From a police point of view

01:04:12Or of logic

01:04:13To discern

01:04:14When it arrives

01:04:15A fact of this type

01:04:16Say good

01:04:17This is nonsense

01:04:17But what elements

01:04:18Do we have it?

01:04:19Turn to logic

01:04:20More rational

01:04:22What is it like?

01:04:23Is this better resolved?

01:04:24It's very simple

01:04:25Going to the police

01:04:27If you look

01:04:28I have read this

01:04:28I've heard this

01:04:30How much truth is there to that?

01:04:32Well, don't worry.

01:04:32That this is an urban legend

01:04:34Or in any case

01:04:36The police

01:04:37If you have no knowledge

01:04:38Of that

01:04:38We will investigate it.

01:04:39That is our obligation

01:04:40Even if

01:04:42Even if we know

01:04:42What is an urban legend?

01:04:43The first thing they will ask you

01:04:44Do you know of any specific cases?

01:04:46Does he have any such individual?

01:04:48Help us discover

01:04:50Because we

01:04:50We met

01:04:51With a legend

01:04:52Of this type

01:04:53And in principle

01:04:54Naturally

01:04:55That it needs to be investigated

01:04:56Because that was all that was missing

01:04:56But it needs to be investigated.

01:04:58Based on certain facts

01:05:00José Manuel

01:05:01As usual

01:05:01Thanks a lot

01:05:02Thanks for your note

01:05:02And for giving us that peace of mind.

01:05:04Because many people

01:05:05He'll appreciate it.

01:05:05People were very scared

01:05:06A big hug

01:05:07José Manuel

01:05:08Thank you

01:05:09As I say

01:05:09Some things are legendary.

01:05:10That can become reality

01:05:12That we need to be careful

01:05:13So to all the people

01:05:14Who has written to us

01:05:15Peace with the blood gang

01:05:16Pure modern myth

01:05:18It's also mysterious

01:05:19By the way

01:05:19Let's move on to something else.

01:05:20It also had something of a legendary quality.

01:05:22Because according to some people

01:05:23Freemasonry has been behind it.

01:05:25Of all the great events

01:05:27From the last centuries

01:05:28As a power

01:05:29Above any power

01:05:30Let's try to find out

01:05:31What is being hidden

01:05:32Within Masonic lodges

01:05:38Perhaps very few people

01:05:39They have heard

01:05:40From Freemasonry

01:05:41Perhaps we all have

01:05:43Some rather ideas

01:05:44Distorted from her

01:05:45Or even

01:05:46Perhaps we don't know

01:05:47Absolutely none of it.

01:05:49Pronounce his name

01:05:50It suggests secrecy

01:05:52Darkness

01:05:53And sometimes

01:05:54A very close respect

01:05:56To fear

01:06:04Dare to know

01:06:06At the moment

01:06:07So you know

01:06:08You will get out

01:06:09From your minority

01:06:10Guilty age

01:06:11That's what he intends

01:06:13Freemasonry

01:06:13Pedro Álvarez Lázaro

01:06:15It is one of the biggest

01:06:16Experts

01:06:17About Freemasonry

01:06:17In our country

01:06:18Founding member

01:06:20From the Institute of Liberalism

01:06:21Crausism and Freemasonry

01:06:22It is in turn

01:06:23Professor

01:06:24From contemporary history

01:06:25At the Pontifical University

01:06:27From Quotation Marks

01:06:27In recent years

01:06:29He has dedicated

01:06:30To delve deeper

01:06:30In the study

01:06:31From the lodges

01:06:32And even

01:06:33He decided personally

01:06:34Get in touch

01:06:35With them

01:06:35To understand

01:06:36How it works

01:06:37And his message

01:06:38From within

01:06:39Well, actually

01:06:41Almost all the big ones

01:06:42Cathedrals

01:06:43Both gothic

01:06:44Like Romanesque

01:06:45They are of construction

01:06:46Masonic

01:06:47Of the operative masons

01:06:48Of the minors

01:06:49From builders

01:06:49Of cathedrals

01:06:50Revals

01:06:51The way to differentiate them

01:06:54Although not always

01:06:54They are preserved

01:06:55But clear

01:06:56It is through

01:06:58Of the signs

01:06:58From the stonemason

01:06:59That they put

01:07:01Or in the columns

01:07:03Or in

01:07:04From the porticoes

01:07:05Or in certain

01:07:07Cathedral sites

01:07:08As a species

01:07:09Signature of the author

01:07:11So

01:07:12In the old cathedral

01:07:13From Salamanca

01:07:14We can distinguish

01:07:15Clearly

01:07:16The signs

01:07:16From the stonemasons

01:07:17On the walls

01:07:17They are very numerous

01:07:19And it follows

01:07:20That in it

01:07:20Several unions worked on it

01:07:22During the almost

01:07:23Two centuries

01:07:23How long did its construction last?

01:07:25To recognize them

01:07:26You just have to stop

01:07:28And pay attention

01:07:31The writer

01:07:33Ken Follett

01:07:33In his worldwide bestseller

01:07:35The Pillars of the Earth

01:07:36He provided a vision

01:07:37Very close

01:07:38Of what should have been

01:07:39The day-to-day

01:07:40From these early societies

01:07:42Yes

01:07:44They exhibit

01:07:45In chapters

01:07:46Very nice

01:07:47Very nice

01:07:47Coexistence

01:07:50Among these Freemasons

01:07:51And above all

01:07:52The codes

01:07:53Criminal

01:07:54That they maintained

01:07:56Among them

01:07:56At a certain moment

01:07:58A master mason

01:07:59Son of one

01:08:00From one of the protagonists

01:08:02From the novel

01:08:04He commits murder

01:08:08And precisely

01:08:09The teacher

01:08:11The venerable master

01:08:12We would say today

01:08:14Take responsibility for the matter

01:08:15As something of my own

01:08:17From the corporation

01:08:19That should not happen

01:08:20To justice

01:08:21Profane

01:08:22Which was very normal

01:08:23In the Middle Ages

01:08:24The passing Freemason

01:08:26From the apprentice level

01:08:27To my colleague

01:08:28After its initiation

01:08:29He was obliged to travel

01:08:30For several years

01:08:31Beyond borders

01:08:33Beyond borders

01:08:33From the West

01:08:33And thus be able to acquire

01:08:35Knowledge of the East

01:08:37And from other cultures

01:08:38The Freemasons

01:08:40Medieval

01:08:41By constitutions

01:08:42They had to travel

01:08:43And open

01:08:44As it says

01:08:45Arnold Hauser

01:08:46The mind

01:08:47The mind

01:08:47To other horizons

01:08:48Religious

01:08:49Intellectuals

01:08:50Politicians

01:08:51Upon his return

01:08:52Upon their return they applied

01:08:53The knowledge acquired

01:08:54Not just math

01:08:56And applied physics

01:08:57But also

01:08:58The one about the inner journey

01:09:00Undertaken

01:09:00Bringing it closer

01:09:02Those people

01:09:03Illiterate

01:09:04The image of God

01:09:05Perfection

01:09:07From the universe

01:09:07And its mysteries

01:09:09They shook hands

01:09:10In these sacred temples

01:09:12The universe

01:09:13The universe

01:09:15He is nothing more than man

01:09:16Expanded

01:09:19In other words

01:09:20Man contains

01:09:22Everything that the universe has

01:09:23That anthropocentric conception

01:09:25From society

01:09:27It is typically Masonic

01:09:29From that medieval era

01:09:30They begin to weave

01:09:31The ideas

01:09:32And systems

01:09:33That will give way

01:09:33As far as is known

01:09:34As speculative freemasonry

01:09:36This later

01:09:38It will permeate

01:09:38Some events

01:09:40That will mark

01:09:41The course of history

01:09:42For example

01:09:43The French Revolution

01:09:45Whose motto

01:09:46Equality

01:09:47Freedom

01:09:47And fraternity

01:09:48It looks suspiciously like

01:09:50Some of the bases

01:09:52That promulgates

01:09:52Modern Freemasonry

01:10:02Well

01:10:03There was a short initial tour there.

01:10:05Through this world

01:10:06From Freemasonry

01:10:07Opinions for all tastes

01:10:09I imagine

01:10:10Some outfits

01:10:11Frankly

01:10:11Interesting

01:10:12Because they are so striking

01:10:13I don't know

01:10:14Will it continue to be done

01:10:15Those kinds of rituals

01:10:16Similarly

01:10:16But what is certain

01:10:17And undeniable

01:10:18We said it before

01:10:19It's just that bookstores

01:10:20What is a thermometer?

01:10:22Well

01:10:22I think quite a bit

01:10:23Cautious

01:10:23And complete

01:10:24About what happens

01:10:25In everyday life

01:10:26They are reflecting

01:10:27Books like these

01:10:29Freemasonry

01:10:30By Armando Hurtado

01:10:31And by the same author

01:10:32And I also think it's highly recommended.

01:10:33Because the title

01:10:34It says quite a lot.

01:10:35Us

01:10:36The Freemasons

01:10:38And I think that rarely

01:10:40They

01:10:41They had spoken

01:10:42Directly

01:10:43We are pleased

01:10:44If Armando Hurtado is available

01:10:46Founder

01:10:46From one of the lodges

01:10:47Masonic in Madrid

01:10:48Grade 33

01:10:49Armando

01:10:50That this also

01:10:51Let's say

01:10:52Loving

01:10:52Loving, forgiveness

01:10:53This also

01:10:53It intrigues people a lot

01:10:55Grade 33

01:10:56What is this?

01:10:58Good night

01:10:59Good night

01:11:00Good

01:11:01We have

01:11:02We follow a work method

01:11:04That is to say

01:11:04Ours

01:11:05It's a study

01:11:07That requires

01:11:08A

01:11:09A methodology

01:11:10That we

01:11:12We captured it

01:11:13In rites

01:11:14That is to say

01:11:15Rite

01:11:15From Sanskrit

01:11:16Rita

01:11:17What does it mean

01:11:17Straight line

01:11:18Path

01:11:19Via

01:11:19A ritual

01:11:20It's nothing more

01:11:21That a method

01:11:21So

01:11:22They exist in Freemasonry

01:11:24The same as

01:11:24In other fields

01:11:26Of thought

01:11:27Well, different

01:11:28Shapes

01:11:28Methods

01:11:29Access methods

01:11:30Our method

01:11:31It's the one called

01:11:32Scottish

01:11:33Ancient and accepted

01:11:34Scottish

01:11:35Ancient and accepted

01:11:36And then

01:11:36The method

01:11:38Scottish

01:11:38Ancient and accepted

01:11:39Has

01:11:3933 steps

01:11:41Or 33 degrees

01:11:43On the initiatory path

01:11:45Since it is an initiatory path

01:11:46It's a method

01:11:47Initiatory

01:11:48Sebastian Vazquez

01:11:49Editor

01:11:50It's been like this all my life

01:11:51In these matters

01:11:52Investigating them with the utmost rigor

01:11:53But also

01:11:54I don't know if I'm revealing the truth.

01:11:55Masonic secret

01:11:56No?

01:11:57Sebastian

01:11:57Good night

01:11:57Hello

01:11:58You are a sleeping brother

01:11:59Yeah

01:11:59And what is that?

01:12:01Well

01:12:01It means nothing more

01:12:02That I at one point

01:12:04I was initiated into Freemasonry

01:12:06I achieved the rank of master

01:12:08And at a certain moment

01:12:09So I decided to leave Freemasonry

01:12:12How to get on the reservation

01:12:13Somehow?

01:12:13No

01:12:15Not even that

01:12:16That is to say

01:12:16For me it was an experience

01:12:18A lovely experience

01:12:19In Freemasonry

01:12:21But at a certain point

01:12:22I considered that experience

01:12:25It had ended

01:12:26And I presented

01:12:27What is called

01:12:28Amazonian

01:12:29My iron

01:12:29No?

01:12:30And I became

01:12:31A sleeping brother

01:12:33That is to say

01:12:34Someone who does not participate

01:12:36And it doesn't belong

01:12:37At the moment

01:12:38To Freemasonry

01:12:40As in the past I was

01:12:41Hey Sebastian

01:12:42It's true

01:12:42Because it's one of the questions

01:12:44What else do people do?

01:12:45That he doesn't know

01:12:45Of course

01:12:46This world

01:12:47This universe

01:12:48This way of seeing things

01:12:49There are a number of rituals

01:12:50Which can be more or less striking

01:12:52There is one that may turn out

01:12:53Very interesting

01:12:54Because it has content

01:12:55Quite important

01:12:56Human beings

01:12:58When

01:12:59He agrees to join Freemasonry

01:13:00He makes a kind of will

01:13:02That's certain

01:13:03It's another fable

01:13:04It has to be done

01:13:05One leaves life

01:13:06Or the previous thoughts

01:13:07When he enters Freemasonry

01:13:10Yeah

01:13:10But always from a point

01:13:12From a symbolic point of view

01:13:14That is to say

01:13:15Indeed

01:13:16Joining Freemasonry

01:13:17It is done through a ceremony

01:13:18A ceremony

01:13:20Whether it's well made

01:13:21It's very shocking.

01:13:22Amazing

01:13:23From a deep burden

01:13:26Emotional

01:13:26And also mental

01:13:28And there are different steps.

01:13:31At that ceremony

01:13:31One of the things

01:13:32What to do

01:13:33With the applicant

01:13:34It is their stay

01:13:36In what is called

01:13:37The reflecting chamber

01:13:39Reflection chamber

01:13:40As its name suggests

01:13:41It's a place

01:13:43In which

01:13:43There are a number of symbols

01:13:45That invite

01:13:46For reflection

01:13:47To the applicant

01:13:47And there

01:13:48One of the things

01:13:49That the applicant does

01:13:51It is his calling

01:13:52Philosophical Testament

01:13:54Which is nothing more than

01:13:55A

01:13:56To embody

01:13:57In writing

01:13:58Those reflections

01:14:00To whom

01:14:01He is invited

01:14:02Naturally

01:14:04The initiation ceremony

01:14:06Happens

01:14:07The subject

01:14:09From a state

01:14:10To another

01:14:10Symbolically

01:14:12We could say

01:14:12From a state

01:14:13From darkness

01:14:14To a state

01:14:14Light

01:14:15I would be

01:14:16The birth

01:14:17To a new state

01:14:19And that will

01:14:21It is part of

01:14:22About that

01:14:23That it leaves behind

01:14:24Because from

01:14:26From that experience

01:14:27Everything that is

01:14:28The symbolic tools

01:14:29From the

01:14:29That Freemasonry

01:14:30And the rituals themselves

01:14:31They are going to contribute

01:14:32Well, it will make him grow

01:14:34In that

01:14:35In that new experience

01:14:36In the lodge

01:14:37Loving

01:14:38Why would someone

01:14:39He decides to become a Freemason?

01:14:40In your case, for example

01:14:41What are you looking for?

01:14:43Come on

01:14:43Is

01:14:44Clear

01:14:44This is

01:14:46Very subjective

01:14:47In principle

01:14:48There are many formulas

01:14:50To get into Freemasonry

01:14:52In my case

01:14:53Concrete

01:14:54It is the search

01:14:56From a knowledge

01:14:58Let me come closer

01:14:59To be honest

01:15:00That was very solemn.

01:15:02But that's how it is.

01:15:03The truth

01:15:04Capital letters

01:15:04It is inaccessible

01:15:05To the man

01:15:06But it's done.

01:15:07Of truths

01:15:08That form

01:15:09A path

01:15:10Which can lead us

01:15:11In that light

01:15:12To which I alluded

01:15:13Dear Sebastian

01:15:15Just a moment

01:15:16So

01:15:16There are those who

01:15:17Join Freemasonry

01:15:18Searching

01:15:19That light

01:15:20Searching

01:15:21Another way

01:15:22Access

01:15:23To knowledge

01:15:24Loving

01:15:25If you agree

01:15:25We'll leave it at that.

01:15:26Because

01:15:27There has been a lot of talk.

01:15:28Of Freemasons

01:15:29There has been a lot of talk.

01:15:29Of famous people

01:15:30We'll keep talking

01:15:31With Amando Hurtado

01:15:32And with Sebastián Vázquez

01:15:33Of course

01:15:33But I would like to

01:15:35That we would continue to accompany

01:15:36To Luis Albrecht

01:15:37For that trip

01:15:38In search

01:15:39Some key points

01:15:40Masonic

01:15:40It is being talked about

01:15:41One of the greats

01:15:42Events

01:15:43From history

01:15:43From the last centuries

01:15:45Almost handled

01:15:46Through the Masonic centuries

01:15:47It's true?

01:15:48Or as Amando Hurtado says

01:15:49There is also some

01:15:50Exaggeration

01:15:51Let's try

01:15:52Discover it

01:15:54Freemasonry

01:15:55She has also starred in

01:15:56Some notorious scandals

01:15:58So

01:15:59The sinister character

01:16:00Of Jack the Ripper

01:16:02He was associated

01:16:03To English Freemasonry

01:16:04Jack the Ripper

01:16:06Let it be known

01:16:06He was not a Freemason

01:16:07And although

01:16:09He was in a relationship

01:16:11With

01:16:12With certain siblings

01:16:15Freemasons

01:16:16By no means

01:16:18It can be deduced

01:16:19Hence their connection

01:16:20Under the monarchy

01:16:22British

01:16:22And that his crimes

01:16:24They were

01:16:24To protect

01:16:25Or favor

01:16:26The British monarchy

01:16:27So

01:16:27What happens

01:16:28The thing is

01:16:28It has been a reason

01:16:30From a novel

01:16:31Successful

01:16:32And from a movie

01:16:33Later

01:16:34That has given a lot of money

01:16:35But it is unsustainable

01:16:36The relationship

01:16:39Jack the Ripper

01:16:40Masonry

01:16:41British Monarchy

01:16:42But what was it?

01:16:42From Freemasonry

01:16:43During the civil war

01:16:44And the four decades

01:16:45From a dictatorship

01:16:46In our country

01:16:47In 1939

01:16:49The seized material

01:16:50To the lodges

01:16:51And individuals

01:16:52It exceeded five million

01:16:53From documents

01:16:54And eighty thousand files

01:16:56Open

01:16:56With names

01:16:57And surnames

01:16:57All of this is preserved

01:17:00In the famous archive

01:17:01From Salamanca

01:17:02If anything reflects

01:17:03Clearly this file

01:17:04It is one of the elements

01:17:07Basics

01:17:08From the Franco regime

01:17:09What was

01:17:09The control

01:17:11And the repression

01:17:12About citizenship

01:17:13And specifically

01:17:14About

01:17:14Those

01:17:16Entities

01:17:17And people

01:17:17Let's say

01:17:18Dissidents

01:17:19Ideologically

01:17:20Of the regime

01:17:21And among them

01:17:22They were not only

01:17:23The well-known political parties

01:17:25Unions

01:17:26And so on

01:17:26But it was

01:17:27In a very special way

01:17:28Freemasonry

01:17:29The Salamanca Archive

01:17:31What does this museum house?

01:17:32From Freemasonry

01:17:33It's a base

01:17:34Immense data

01:17:35It was built

01:17:37With the intention

01:17:37To keep under control

01:17:39To certain sectors

01:17:40From society

01:17:40That they had become

01:17:42In an obsession

01:17:43For Francisco Franco

01:17:44In the case of Freemasonry

01:17:46Yes, there was work done.

01:17:47Systematic

01:17:48During and after

01:17:49From the war

01:17:49For trying to locate

01:17:51The documents

01:17:51From those lodges

01:17:52Of those that don't

01:17:53It had been obtained

01:17:55Information

01:17:55I mean documentation

01:17:57Throughout the advance

01:17:58Of the troops

01:17:59Franco

01:18:00Those citizens

01:18:01And family members

01:18:02That they were listed

01:18:03In a document

01:18:04Or they would have been

01:18:04Distinguished members

01:18:05Or not

01:18:06From some lodge

01:18:06They would become

01:18:08Part of the file

01:18:09Secret

01:18:09Spanish Masonic

01:18:11Many will be

01:18:12Defendants

01:18:13Others

01:18:14They will go into exile

01:18:15Hurriedly

01:18:15To avoid being

01:18:16Executed

01:18:17Although in this passage

01:18:19From history

01:18:19There would be only one.

01:18:21Exception

01:18:22The one of his own

01:18:23Leader

01:18:24And his family

01:18:25If Ramón Franco

01:18:26He was a Freemason

01:18:27I mean

01:18:28It has been proven

01:18:29And it was.

01:18:30There were many soldiers

01:18:32Then

01:18:32That they were Freemasons

01:18:33There is even speculation

01:18:35So, Franco himself

01:18:35I would have tried

01:18:37Joining Freemasonry

01:18:38On two occasions

01:18:39Before the uprising

01:18:40But in this respect

01:18:42There are also dissenting voices

01:18:44There is

01:18:45People and historians

01:18:47What do you think?

01:18:47That is true

01:18:48But it hasn't been proven.

01:18:49To ensure

01:18:50That is true

01:18:51There should have been

01:18:51Some document

01:18:52And there isn't one.

01:18:53Besides Freemasonry

01:18:55There was a whole series

01:18:56Of disciplines

01:18:57They were equally

01:18:59Persecuted

01:18:59Due to its esoteric nature

01:19:01Here we also have

01:19:03Other organizations

01:19:04Documentation

01:19:05From Theosophy

01:19:08Documentation

01:19:08Of the free thinkers

01:19:09Documentation

01:19:10Of naturists

01:19:11Even some small ones

01:19:12Documentation

01:19:13Of Protestants

01:19:14And even

01:19:15From some association

01:19:16From some Jewish association

01:19:18There's even a box

01:19:19That puts occultism

01:19:20Magnetism

01:19:20Hypnotism

01:19:21There is no doubt about that.

01:19:22It's because some

01:19:23Of the minds

01:19:24Brighter

01:19:25From our history

01:19:25Contemporary

01:19:26They went through Freemasonry

01:19:28Sporadically

01:19:29Or they became

01:19:30In Freemasons

01:19:31High grade

01:19:31There are very important characters

01:19:34From the scientific world

01:19:35For example

01:19:36Ramón y Cajal

01:19:37From the political field

01:19:38Traditionally

01:19:40There have also been leaders

01:19:41Ruiz Zorrilla

01:19:43Alejandro Leroux

01:19:44Sagasta

01:19:45He was a great teacher

01:19:46For a long time

01:19:47From the great east

01:19:48From Spain

01:19:49From literature

01:19:50Blasco Ibáñez

01:19:51Vicente Blasco Ibáñez

01:19:52Antonio Machado

01:19:54The poet

01:19:54It seems that it started

01:19:56In a lodge in Madrid

01:19:57In the United States

01:19:58Freemasonry

01:19:59It has permeated politics

01:20:00From its origins

01:20:02At least 15 presidents

01:20:04They were Freemasons

01:20:04Among them

01:20:06George Washington

01:20:07Theodore Roosevelt

01:20:08Truman

01:20:10Even on banknotes

01:20:11Dollar

01:20:11Some appear

01:20:13Of the symbols

01:20:13Most important

01:20:14From Freemasonry

01:20:15But what answers

01:20:17Can you give today?

01:20:18Freemasonry

01:20:18In a world

01:20:20That convulses

01:20:20Once upon a time

01:20:22Of barbarism

01:20:22And eternal conflict?

01:20:24I think the stone

01:20:25Of fundamental touch

01:20:26From Freemasonry

01:20:27It's because the Freemasons

01:20:28They must dedicate themselves

01:20:29To an ethical reflection

01:20:30And ethics

01:20:31It is earlier

01:20:32To politics

01:20:32And to religion

01:20:41We were watching the report

01:20:42From our colleague

01:20:43Luis Álvarez

01:20:43And Fourth Millennium

01:20:44He wants to thank

01:20:45Especially

01:20:46All due respect

01:20:47From the historical archive

01:20:48From Salamanca

01:20:49From the civil war

01:20:50That has opened us

01:20:51Its doors

01:20:51It has allowed us

01:20:52Filming inside

01:20:53And I think it is

01:20:54A very thoughtful gesture

01:20:55To learn more

01:20:55Anyway

01:20:57Sebastian

01:20:57We have heard

01:20:58And seen in the report

01:20:59One thing I believe

01:21:00That has surprised

01:21:01To the audience

01:21:01Sure

01:21:0115 presidents

01:21:03From the United States

01:21:04Freemasons

01:21:04On the dollar bill

01:21:07Masonic symbols

01:21:08Because?

01:21:09And can it be transposed?

01:21:10That to our country?

01:21:11Have there been any great figures?

01:21:12We've seen some

01:21:14Of great influence

01:21:15That's why

01:21:16It has made them more feared.

01:21:17Or it has made it more feared

01:21:18This order?

01:21:19That's part of it

01:21:22They are two sides

01:21:23Of the same coin

01:21:24That is to say

01:21:25One of the most prestigious

01:21:26From Freemasonry

01:21:27They are the great men

01:21:28That in all areas

01:21:29Politician, scientist, artist

01:21:31Well, they were Freemasons

01:21:34Now, for example

01:21:34The Year of Mozart

01:21:36Mozart

01:21:36The famous magic flute

01:21:38Mozart was a Freemason

01:21:39Also

01:21:39Clear

01:21:40And he composed great works

01:21:42For his lodge

01:21:43On the one hand

01:21:44It's all those great characters

01:21:47That they have

01:21:47Somehow they have built

01:21:49Or they have helped to build

01:21:51This society

01:21:52From the West

01:21:53They have been Freemasons

01:21:54But instead

01:21:54On the other hand

01:21:55There is talk of that manipulation.

01:21:57From precisely

01:21:59From that power

01:22:00I believe

01:22:01What has happened

01:22:03The thing is

01:22:04Freemasonry

01:22:05It's a school

01:22:06It's a school

01:22:07Philosophical

01:22:08A school

01:22:08Learning

01:22:09And a school

01:22:10Improvement

01:22:11And also

01:22:11A school

01:22:12Above all

01:22:13What helps

01:22:14It's something to think about.

01:22:15And in Freemasonry

01:22:17One of its great symbols

01:22:18It's the checkered pattern.

01:22:20The checkered pattern

01:22:21The floor

01:22:21Black and white

01:22:23Where to think

01:22:24If you have

01:22:26A belief system

01:22:27Certain

01:22:28Freemasonry

01:22:29It always teaches you

01:22:30To put yourself on the other side

01:22:32Compare

01:22:33And putting themselves on the other side

01:22:34Sebastian

01:22:35One can be a Freemason

01:22:36And Catholic

01:22:38For example

01:22:39It has been seen

01:22:40That the Bible

01:22:41Figure

01:22:42At the altar

01:22:44From Freemasonry

01:22:45When the Bible says

01:22:46I'm talking

01:22:46As a sacred book

01:22:48In another lodge

01:22:49The Bhagavad Gita may be there

01:22:51The Quran may be there

01:22:53It could be any other book

01:22:55Because what's important

01:22:56It is the concept

01:22:57From the sacred book

01:22:58Because Freemasonry

01:22:59Accepts any type

01:23:01Of religion

01:23:01Any type

01:23:03Of philosophy

01:23:04Any type

01:23:05Of

01:23:06Let's say

01:23:08Presence

01:23:09Policy

01:23:10Or political belief

01:23:11It is independent

01:23:13Because it's a school

01:23:14Of thought

01:23:15We would have

01:23:16Well

01:23:16There are so many more things to talk about.

01:23:17Many questions remain.

01:23:18In the air

01:23:18Which I believe we will have to resume

01:23:20Because of the passion for this topic

01:23:21It is absolute

01:23:22At this moment

01:23:23Books like

01:23:24The Da Vinci Code

01:23:25The restructuring

01:23:27The review of history

01:23:28Not told

01:23:28They have made these matters

01:23:29May they have a second youth

01:23:31But I would like to say goodbye.

01:23:32Loving with a fact

01:23:33If possible

01:23:34Don't know

01:23:34We were talking about documents

01:23:35From concrete data

01:23:36From the Salamanca archive

01:23:37In Spain

01:23:38We know how many lodges there are

01:23:39And how many Freemasons

01:23:40There may be more or less

01:23:41Well yes

01:23:42Of course we know

01:23:43What happens

01:23:45The thing is

01:23:45There is little communication

01:23:48Of these topics

01:23:49But it's perfectly affordable.

01:23:51To anyone who is interested

01:23:53I think that

01:23:55There is an organization

01:23:57A Masonic body

01:23:59What is it called

01:24:00The Grand Lodge of Spain

01:24:01Grand Lodge of Spain

01:24:02Grand Lodge of Spain

01:24:03What is the corporation?

01:24:06So to speak

01:24:06More numerous

01:24:08At the moment

01:24:09In the country

01:24:11I don't know the number of lodges

01:24:12That has

01:24:12But it's no secret

01:24:14That is to say

01:24:14This can be communicated to them

01:24:15To anyone

01:24:16That it has

01:24:16To anyone

01:24:17That it has an interest

01:24:18Justified

01:24:18TRUE?

01:24:19What I would like

01:24:20Iker

01:24:20Please

01:24:20Let me say it

01:24:22Because I really wanted to

01:24:23To say it

01:24:23It's that this

01:24:24This kind of lodge

01:24:26What appears in these photos

01:24:27From Salamanca

01:24:28Continuously

01:24:29With the hooded figures

01:24:30All of that is a creation

01:24:31From Mr. Franco

01:24:32And company

01:24:33That's false.

01:24:34Completely

01:24:35We don't have that.

01:24:36We haven't had any of that.

01:24:38Let's not even talk about hoods

01:24:39We don't even have death

01:24:40Like skulls

01:24:41Around there

01:24:41There are certain moments

01:24:44For example

01:24:45A funeral outfit

01:24:46Where indeed

01:24:47The apron

01:24:48It can carry

01:24:50The sign of death

01:24:52But that's temporary.

01:24:53And only for

01:24:54To honor

01:24:55To my deceased brother

01:24:57Yes, because it's an image.

01:24:58A bit gloomy

01:24:59Please

01:24:59Never

01:25:00That's not it.

01:25:00Otherwise

01:25:02It doesn't make sense.

01:25:02Oh well

01:25:03Above all

01:25:04The fact is that

01:25:04It arises continuously

01:25:06This image

01:25:07From that lodge

01:25:08What did they do?

01:25:08Against Freemasonry

01:25:10Because of everything Franco did

01:25:11Franco did not form a lodge

01:25:12To teach Freemasonry

01:25:14To teach against Freemasonry

01:25:16Yes indeed

01:25:16So that lodge

01:25:17It's a fake lodge.

01:25:18So we'll leave that note.

01:25:19Loving

01:25:20We don't have any more time.

01:25:20Unfortunately

01:25:21We have tried to get closer

01:25:22On the subject of Freemasonry

01:25:23In the midst of social upheaval

01:25:24Well, with all the data

01:25:26On the table

01:25:26And I'm sure this program

01:25:28And this introduction to the topic

01:25:29It's going to be much more.

01:25:31Because I'm sure too

01:25:32That in many homes

01:25:32Everyone is wondering

01:25:33Certain things

01:25:34We will try to resolve it in the future

01:25:36And meanwhile

01:25:37Sebastian Amando

01:25:38Good luck with those books

01:25:39Good luck with that work

01:25:41And thank you for coming.

01:25:42A Cuarto Milenio

01:25:42Thanks to you

01:25:43Thank you so much

01:25:44And now

01:25:44If you agree

01:25:45Let's move on to another one.

01:25:46Okay, we changed.

01:25:47Like a roller coaster

01:25:48That's what this program is about.

01:25:48This mystery ship

01:25:50With vertigo

01:25:51It goes from one topic to another

01:25:51And now let's get to that matter.

01:25:53Which also has quite a bit of mystery

01:25:55The photographs

01:25:55From the viewers

01:25:57From our program

01:26:16I don't know about you guys

01:26:17But for me, the windows

01:26:18The threshold

01:26:19The darkness

01:26:20It has always given me

01:26:21A certain respect

01:26:23Seems

01:26:23Sometimes

01:26:24That someone was watching us

01:26:25TRUE?

01:26:26Between the curtains

01:26:27Someone who is invisible

01:26:28And sometimes it also seems

01:26:30That photographic cameras

01:26:32They manage to capture him

01:26:33That's what happened to him

01:26:34To one of our viewers

01:26:35Carmen

01:26:36Antonio José Escudero wrote to us

01:26:39He was sent this photograph

01:26:40To a friend

01:26:41That he had been

01:26:42In the city of Rotterdam

01:26:43And she thought it was pretty.

01:26:45The facade of this museum

01:26:46Suddenly he took some photographs

01:26:47And when he put them on his computer

01:26:50He checked and saw that there was a face

01:26:51In one of the windows

01:26:52Guillermo León

01:26:53He has analyzed this photograph

01:26:55And he has even searched

01:26:56Throughout all pages

01:26:57From the internet

01:26:57To find

01:26:58A very curious thing

01:27:00This is the Museum of the World

01:27:02An ethnographic museum

01:27:03And searching through those pages

01:27:05He has found

01:27:05There's an exhibition

01:27:06Called Rotterdamers

01:27:08There we see

01:27:09As there is a series

01:27:10Of faces

01:27:11That they should be

01:27:12Well, within that exhibition

01:27:14But one of them

01:27:15Chance

01:27:15It has been reflected

01:27:17Precisely

01:27:17In this window

01:27:19I don't know

01:27:20It still seems to me

01:27:21Very curious

01:27:21With all due respect

01:27:22For our colleague

01:27:23Guillermo León

01:27:24He certainly looks like someone

01:27:25Looking at the street

01:27:26And we have the panel

01:27:27With the photographs

01:27:28Where, besides that face

01:27:30There are others to be seen

01:27:31And it matches 100%.

01:27:33With which it is shown

01:27:34At the window

01:27:34Therefore

01:27:35And even though it pains me

01:27:36Mystery solved

01:27:37We were talking at the beginning

01:27:38From this program

01:27:39From a photograph

01:27:40The truly shocking ones

01:27:42Fraud

01:27:43Likely

01:27:44Now they're going to tell us.

01:27:45But of course

01:27:46Yes it is

01:27:46He has achieved his great goal

01:27:48The one that frightens us

01:27:50Carmen

01:27:50José María Guillén

01:27:51From Cáceres

01:27:52He sent us

01:27:53This curious photograph

01:27:54It reminds us a little

01:27:55To those controversies

01:27:57Images of the cemetery

01:27:58Three girls

01:27:59Also in a cemetery

01:28:00In this case

01:28:01In Cáceres

01:28:02And its ghostly appearance

01:28:04He said

01:28:05That the person

01:28:06He sent it to her.

01:28:07He is completely trustworthy.

01:28:08But we must tell him

01:28:09Maybe

01:28:10He wanted to play a joke on her

01:28:11Because this

01:28:12It's a crude setup

01:28:13These are two photographs

01:28:15Overlapping

01:28:16Where are they also located

01:28:17Those girls

01:28:18We have applied

01:28:19An equalizer filter

01:28:20And it denotes

01:28:21That there is a variation

01:28:22In the key

01:28:22From the stone

01:28:23That only happens

01:28:24Around

01:28:25Of those supposed specters

01:28:26Which makes us think

01:28:27Which very possibly

01:28:28Let the trail

01:28:29From the merger

01:28:30From two images

01:28:31It's a setup.

01:28:32But of course

01:28:33Artistically

01:28:34It's been done

01:28:35Don't tell me no

01:28:36The middle girl

01:28:37It's truly terrifying

01:28:39For photos like these

01:28:40If possible

01:28:41Authentic

01:28:41We have two addresses

01:28:42Two ways to contact

01:28:44Through email

01:28:45On Cuarto Milenio

01:28:46@4.com

01:28:48And of course

01:28:48The post office box

01:28:4918.189

01:28:51With the postal code

01:28:5228,080

01:28:53From Madrid

01:28:54And our mystery ship

01:28:55It restarts its engines

01:28:56We're taking off

01:28:57To continue investigating

01:28:59Keep searching

01:28:59New mysteries

01:29:00New facts

01:29:00Unexplained

01:29:01We'll be waiting for you here.

01:29:02In seven days

01:29:03They already know.

01:29:04Are

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