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00:00:24Being face to face in front of the Shroud of Turin is something that cannot be forgotten.
00:00:27The expression, what that face, that effigy, conveys is something that will remain in our thoughts for many years.
00:00:35It's a very strange feeling.
00:00:37Today is a time for da Vinci codes, for hidden keys to Christianity, for scientific and religious enigmas...
00:00:43...and perhaps few people know that one of the key pieces of this strange puzzle is in Spain.
00:00:47Yes, in Oviedo.
00:00:48It is the holy shroud or cloth.
00:00:50A linen cloth with several blood stains.
00:00:53It appears to be the same one as the Shroud of Turin.
00:00:55It appears to be the same group.
00:00:57It appears that it may be the same DNA.
00:00:59But tonight we offer you a genuine journalistic exclusive.
00:01:02Something that only some scholars will reveal in July 2007.
00:01:07It appears that this blood is from both men and women.
00:01:11What does all this mean?
00:01:13We're going to try to find out tonight with the protagonists.
00:01:15But we also have other exciting stories.
00:01:23Tonight we'll travel to the most haunted place in the UK.
00:01:27Hampton Court Mansion.
00:01:29An enclave filled with passions, crimes, and specters.
00:01:34Until a century ago, the Agotes inspired fear and disgust.
00:01:38It is the sad chronicle of a cursed race.
00:01:42Elvis was the undisputed king of rock while he lived.
00:01:45After his death, still shrouded in mystery, he became the king of urban legend.
00:01:52And as always, we will analyze the disturbing photographs sent in by viewers of Cuarto Milenio.
00:02:06A procession of blond men, with almost albino hair, pale complexions, very tall, carrying a lantern, making their way through
00:02:15the shadows.
00:02:16Some neighbors look at them in astonishment, with a mixture of fear and disgust.
00:02:20Some throw stones at them, others hide.
00:02:23It's the arrival of the Agotes.
00:02:24This scene, the arrival of these men of the cursed race, occurred until very recently in some
00:02:30villages in northern Navarre.
00:02:32They were considered a different ethnic group.
00:02:35Marginalized and persecuted.
00:02:37They were baptized in separate fonts, which no Christian could touch.
00:02:41They were forced to wear a kind of flat sandal because it was believed that skin-to-skin contact infected the
00:02:47land.
00:02:48Men completely out of touch with reality.
00:02:51A case of exclusion like no other.
00:02:52In the town of Arizcún, the memory of what was once the most persecuted ethnic group still remains.
00:02:58A true scientific enigma.
00:03:01Some say that they were even the last Cathars.
00:03:04The survivors.
00:03:05Those who possessed the Holy Grail and fled from France to Spain.
00:03:09We want to learn about that breed.
00:03:11And we want to know the place where they disappeared.
00:03:14Bozate, Arizcún.
00:03:16The last stronghold of the cursed race.
00:03:18The exhausts.
00:03:23Hated and persecuted.
00:03:25Tortured and insulted.
00:03:27Condemned to flee as wandering fugitives for a crime they never committed.
00:03:32The history of our country is full of injustices and infamies that were perpetuated for centuries.
00:03:38Terrible events that led to entire towns being scarred for life.
00:03:43Several cursed races have inhabited Spain.
00:03:46But without a doubt, the strangest of them all was that of the Agotes.
00:03:50A human community that inhabited a large part of the northern peninsula for centuries.
00:03:57Its origin is uncertain.
00:03:59Some historians claimed that they came from the Cathars, a French sect accused of heresy and condemned by the medieval church.
00:04:08Others, on the contrary, believed that they were simply ancient pagans condemned for their rejection of the Christian faith.
00:04:15Although no one has been able to prove any of these hypotheses so far, one thing remains beyond dispute.
00:04:22Her academic marginalization was appalling.
00:04:25More than persecution, I believe it was discrimination, social discrimination.
00:04:30They were forced to enter the church through a different door, and they were baptized in a different baptismal font.
00:04:35They were not baptized during the day, but at night.
00:04:37They were buried at night, they were buried in unconsecrated cemeteries.
00:04:43And, for example, when it came to giving them communion, I mean, they were Christians, they were Catholics, when it came to
00:04:47give them communion,
00:04:48They were given to them with wooden tongs so as not to touch them.
00:04:50They were not allowed to marry non-Agotes and could not participate in popular dances.
00:04:56However, as soon as an Agotes left their place of origin and went to another place, to another city,
00:05:01it ceased to be exhausted,
00:05:02because there was nothing, neither in language, nor in physical appearance, nor in religion, that distinguished them from
00:05:08the other neighbors.
00:05:09It is true that the Agotes did not have clearly distinguishing physical features,
00:05:14Although they were said to transmit leprosy, to carry all kinds of diseases,
00:05:19that they contaminated anything they touched and even that they had tails.
00:05:24It was also rumored that they worshipped the devil and were homosexual.
00:05:28If they were caught barefoot in the countryside, their feet were burned with red-hot iron.
00:05:33because the touch of their skin with the ground could contaminate the crops.
00:05:37And marginalization, well, this means that from the moment that here, for example, in Baztán,
00:05:44We, as civil beings, the civil party, the civil discrimination, do not have land.
00:05:50So, in Baztán, the one who had land and a house was the Hidalgo, the son of a Dalgo.
00:05:55He was the knight, the one who called on behalf of the current king for the raids.
00:05:59Therefore, we have no land and we are the lowest, most marginalized people.
00:06:03We are the outcasts of society.
00:06:06That's what marginalization is all about, it's nothing else.
00:06:08Since there was no clear way to define them by their physical appearance,
00:06:11They were forced to wear a red mark in the shape of a cat's paw or a goose's foot on
00:06:16their clothes.
00:06:17In this way, anyone could identify them fleeing from their dangerous contact.
00:06:27Inside the church, they had a reserved place at the back, away from the rest of the parishioners.
00:06:33There were distinctions in the other world too.
00:06:36Near the cemetery, they had a separate area, without data, tombs or references.
00:06:41And they were never buried in a sacred place.
00:06:45The persecution of the Agotes was such a tragic event that the people of Navarre and the Basque Country
00:06:51They have tried to erase it completely from their minds.
00:06:54It's a taboo subject, one that is never discussed.
00:06:57But in places like Bozate, a village that was of paramount importance to the ancient Agotes,
00:07:02We can still find traces of this cursed race.
00:07:11Before we travel to show you the last Agote neighborhood, in Arizcún, Navarra,
00:07:16I would like to read you an excerpt from this wonderful book, Cursed Minorities,
00:07:20Its author is Javier García y Gocheaga.
00:07:22The author said the following.
00:07:24I remember the first time I asked about the Agotes in the Bozate neighborhood.
00:07:29Where are we going to go now?
00:07:30I wouldn't make that mistake again.
00:07:34Javier, good evening.
00:07:35Good evening, how are you?
00:07:36Why did you write this? What happened to you?
00:07:37Well, I was very interested in it because it's a little-known story, the story of the Agotes.
00:07:42It's an enigmatic story, almost esoteric.
00:07:45And I've been interested in them since I was a child, ever since we in the Basque Country have heard of the Agotes.
00:07:52But we were going to talk about it as a reference, as something distant, and yet we had it very close.
00:07:55It was next to me.
00:07:57And then, at 19 or 20 years old, I became more seriously interested in the subject.
00:08:01And I started going to Bozate to ask around to see who these people were and so on.
00:08:04And I realized that I wasn't going to get anything out of it.
00:08:07In other words, there are the descendants of these Agotes.
00:08:08Would it be the last settlement inhabited by Agotes or the most traditional one?
00:08:11Yes, yes, probably. It's the last remaining stronghold of this kind, isn't it?
00:08:15And yet, well, this is... there are still many people who see it as a stigma,
00:08:19And they've simply chosen to forget about that story, so we have to respect their wishes first, right?
00:08:24To forget it.
00:08:25But anyway, does that mean?
00:08:27What is it about minority status and being cursed continuing, in some way, despite the passage of time?
00:08:31No, I don't think it's continuing anymore. What's more, now we have people who are Agotes and who are...
00:08:37they appreciate,
00:08:38They claim their status as Agotes, as is this man, as is Xavier Sanchotena,
00:08:42But I believe this has disappeared, thank God, thank God.
00:08:46Because it has been the most terrible exclusion that has occurred in Europe, at least of those I know of.
00:08:50news,
00:08:50We have never experienced racism of this magnitude.
00:08:54How does it all begin, Javier? I mean, where do the Agotes come from?
00:08:57It's possible, it's possible they were old leper colonies, where he later took refuge...
00:09:01This is my personal thesis, okay?
00:09:02Former leper colonies, where a lot of, well, let's say, outcasts later took refuge,
00:09:08fugitives from justice, and that this gave rise to what was later called the Agotes caste,
00:09:14No?
00:09:14Many spoke of albino hair, excellent musicians, countless theories,
00:09:18But some even say that the ancient Cathars were among the Agotes.
00:09:22Do you remember the Cathars? Those Christian heretics who claimed to guard the Holy Grail?
00:09:26and that were burned en masse in southern France.
00:09:29They say that they might have been refugees from those massacres.
00:09:32Who knows? Let's go to Arizcún, to explore the cursed neighborhood.
00:09:36The village of Bozate is a Navarrese town that enjoys a quiet and peaceful life
00:09:41in the middle of the beautiful Batán Valley, very close to the border with France.
00:09:47From its inception, Bozate was a ghetto where hundreds of Agotes lived isolated.
00:09:52of the rest of the residents of the nearby town of Arizcún.
00:09:56Today, a mysterious silence reigns in its streets regarding its past.
00:10:00And nobody wants to talk on camera.
00:10:03The term "cursed race" is actually a fairly modern designation, I believe.
00:10:06It was from the 20th century onwards, when anthropologists began to take an interest,
00:10:13Some historians began to take an interest in this group.
00:10:16But the truth is that they have been discriminated against since the beginning of the 12th century, as far as we know.
00:10:20up to and including the 20th century.
00:10:22And what race implies is that they were people from outside the place where they were.
00:10:27And that's not true, because even if there's only one point left, let's say,
00:10:31where remnants of this human community that is Bozate in Navarre remain,
00:10:37The truth is that the Agotes were scattered from Huesca to Guituzcua
00:10:40on both sides of the Pyrenees.
00:10:42Well, people have been integrating here for a long time.
00:10:45The problem is that there's a complex.
00:10:48A complex, that pejorative term, but from the neighborhood.
00:10:53Well, the problem isn't that people are called Agotes and so on.
00:10:57No, it's something people have chosen to forget.
00:11:00But, faced with that reasoning of wanting to forget, it is ignorance.
00:11:06It is ignoring, not wanting to know about their existence, their life, their humiliation, their marginalization, their contempt.
00:11:16And well, life goes on.
00:11:20In other words, the word "agote" does not exist here.
00:11:23This is what historians and others are saying.
00:11:27Xavier Sanchoneta is today a well-known sculptor descended from Agotes,
00:11:32one of the few residents of Bozate who is proud of his past.
00:11:36In his museum he has collected some of the lifestyles of his ancestors,
00:11:40explaining to the public what life was like for these damned men.
00:11:45Because they could not cultivate the land, nor keep livestock,
00:11:48because supposedly they could contaminate any food,
00:11:51His main occupation was that of a carpenter.
00:11:54But what about those who live in the mountains, those who live apart?
00:11:57And our land, the mountainous land above all, is a land where the hamlets are scattered.
00:12:01And above all, these people lived off the wood.
00:12:04In other words, in my opinion again, and of course without any basis more important than the fact
00:12:10that in some areas of the French Basque Country they were called carpenters,
00:12:13These people lived off the mountain, the mountain and the forests.
00:12:17Carpenters, lumberjacks, charcoal burners, log drivers.
00:12:20In the Roncal area, for example, there was a very important Zagote community until the 19th century.
00:12:24In the French Basque area it disappeared with the French revolution.
00:12:27But all of his trades had to do with wood.
00:12:30There are only three or four houses left in Bozate belonging to old zagotes.
00:12:35The cameras of Cuarto Milenio managed to penetrate its interior.
00:12:39verifying the miserable conditions in which these people had to subsist.
00:12:44They were only allowed to cut down one tree to build a family home.
00:12:49A people whose root, in their discrimination, has always been a mystery.
00:12:55These people formed the largest persecuted group in our country.
00:13:01Today Bozate lives in a time of calm.
00:13:04Its moors and its beautiful corners have been in recent years
00:13:08a real draw for rural tourism.
00:13:11But some of his neighbors will never forget his cursed past.
00:13:18My father had an inferiority complex.
00:13:21He didn't say it, but I saw it.
00:13:25Firstly, because I was asking about the zagotes, tell me something.
00:13:30And he would reply, "That's nonsense."
00:13:34Well, that's nonsense, but there's a story there, something behind it.
00:13:38Well, I couldn't get a single word out.
00:13:41The discrimination against zagotes ended many decades ago.
00:13:46Time seems to have even erased his history and his name.
00:13:51However, the fleeting footsteps will always echo through these fields.
00:13:55and the sad gaze of those who were condemned by the most unjust of marginalizations.
00:14:03Hey Javier, perhaps one of the things that might most attract the attention of our audience
00:14:06The thing is, in some places there are still those small doors.
00:14:10There was a door for the Agotes where they had to humble themselves upon entering the church
00:14:13and they were accused of making pacts with the devil.
00:14:15Yes, of course, all those doors have been bricked up.
00:14:18The doors were smaller because they occupied a different place in the church.
00:14:22They were usually placed at the back, the first thing they had was a different baptismal font.
00:14:26In other words, they received special treatment.
00:14:28They always took pride in being Christians.
00:14:31In fact, in many documents they appear as Christians or Cretians, or we will refer to them by that name.
00:14:38because they always claim to be Christians, yet the people treat them as heretics.
00:14:42That's something that happens to all marginalized minorities.
00:14:47The people always, let's say, put religion first as a reason for exclusion.
00:14:52And then he says, well, how can we not exclude them if these people are not Christians?
00:14:57But it has also been said, for example, much was said about black people in their day, in the 18th century,
00:15:01when the French encyclopedists began to speak of black people as inferior beings.
00:15:06They feel that they are inferior because they have no soul because they are not Christians.
00:15:10But despite being Christians, Javier, they gave them their blessing from a distance so as not to touch them.
00:15:15Of course, because the clergy evidently shared the beliefs of the time
00:15:19And he was racist like any other in his time, and they didn't want to have any contact with them.
00:15:25They didn't want it then either, nor did the neighbors want them to share a cemetery.
00:15:29That also happened with the cowboys of Alzada.
00:15:31And indeed there is a famous inscription in the Asturian church,
00:15:34Cowboys, don't cross this line.
00:15:36The Agotes also had a separate space.
00:15:38And they had a separate place, logically, in the Catholic ritual,
00:15:42which included a separate physical space in the church.
00:15:44And we are talking about the 14th century, the 15th century, in some medical manuals from 1910,
00:15:49They are quite neglected, they are treated as a scientific anomaly.
00:15:53Yes, yes, that's why.
00:15:53But what remains of them, Javier, today?
00:15:55Of course, there's nothing left today. There's nothing left today.
00:15:57Today, only a vague memory and scattered documentation remain.
00:16:01And I repeat, documentation that is often inaccurate.
00:16:04That is, when, for example, we find that in medical books,
00:16:08treating them as if they were dwarfs, big-headed, with voices and such,
00:16:11which we know is absolutely unfounded.
00:16:12Javier García Gocheaga, author of Cursed Minorities,
00:16:15unknown history of other towns in Spain.
00:16:17We'll play in other cases one day, if you like.
00:16:19Very good.
00:16:19Thank you so much for your visit to Cuarto Milenio.
00:16:21Thank you so much.
00:16:21Thanks a lot.
00:16:22And now we're going to continue traveling with equally interesting topics.
00:16:26To give you an idea, let's put it on the map,
00:16:29at least point out what those other cursed races were,
00:16:32which also caused astonishment, fear, and incomprehension,
00:16:35and who lived alongside us in that Spain of just a few decades ago.
00:16:39And we're also going to explore an equally intriguing topic,
00:16:42And I don't know how to take it, because there's so much talk about Elvis Presley.
00:16:45Of course, we're talking about urban legends.
00:16:48legends that keep some myths alive.
00:16:55Thank you!
00:17:11Thank you!
00:17:31But in Spain there were other cursed races,
00:17:34other persecuted ethnic groups.
00:17:36I read here.
00:17:37Apology for the Agotes of Navarre and the Chuetas of Mallorca.
00:17:40These are laws, documented laws to ask for a voice of support.
00:17:45to these communities that were on the path to extinction.
00:17:48In our own country, with a level of racism never before seen,
00:17:50and often there was a feeling that they were dealing with the devil,
00:17:55or that they were heretics, or that they could directly curse us or give us the evil eye.
00:18:01That was said, for example, of a kind of community
00:18:05which extended into the Catalan Pyrenees,
00:18:07called Nanus de Ribes de Freser.
00:18:09The documents leave no room for doubt.
00:18:11It was a population that perhaps due to inbreeding
00:18:14and due to certain water conditions, as it turned out,
00:18:17They had a terrible goiter, they were very small,
00:18:19And they really scared the scientists who came to discover them too.
00:18:23We are now talking about the 20th century.
00:18:25Those Chuetas from Mallorca too,
00:18:26who were related to several Judaizing families
00:18:29from some areas of the island,
00:18:31and that they were massacred by their own neighbors.
00:18:34It was also said that the Maragatos were sometimes sorcerers,
00:18:37who lived in their own world,
00:18:39in a sphere that no one could enter.
00:18:41This is in the province, of course, of León.
00:18:43Another example would be the Cantabrian Pasiegos,
00:18:46also long forgotten,
00:18:47And of course, the vaqueiros of Alzada,
00:18:49as Javier García de Gocheaga told us,
00:18:51that even in cemeteries they had a little sign that said
00:18:55Vaqueiros are not allowed to pass from here.
00:18:58It is the appalling map, the appalling history of cursed Spain,
00:19:01that existed and that is part of our own past, unfortunately.
00:19:06Juan G. Vallejo has just returned from Arifcún, from Bozate, from the cursed neighborhood.
00:19:09Juan G., good evening.
00:19:10Good evening, Iker.
00:19:11But what it brings us is something even more incredible.
00:19:14Human hunts, cursed races in other parts of the world,
00:19:18And above all, what is most surprising is the main protagonist,
00:19:21for the worse, from this story.
00:19:22It's Darwin.
00:19:24No more, no less.
00:19:24Darwin, the creator of the theory of evolution of species?
00:19:27Yes, well, this is a story I came across on a trip through Patagonia.
00:19:30which really impacted me a lot.
00:19:31And I'll tell you the very simple story, Iker.
00:19:33Between 1826 and 1830 there were two British expeditions to southern Patagonia,
00:19:38where the Beagle Strait is discovered.
00:19:40There goes Darwin, who is on the second expedition,
00:19:42Look at these Indians we have here in this photo.
00:19:44They are the Ona or Shellman Indians.
00:19:46Shellman means man who walks upright.
00:19:48So, when Darwin sees them showing off that scientific prowess,
00:19:54He describes them as a race of ignoble, savage, and vile people.
00:19:58And also...
00:19:58Like the agoutis, they are also infected.
00:20:00Indeed.
00:20:00And it is also written about them that they are cannibals, which was completely false.
00:20:04That bad reputation for cannibalism reached extremes like this photo we see here,
00:20:09which was displayed at the Universal Paris Exhibition of 1889,
00:20:13where a French adventurer leads a group of Ona Indians with these texts by Darwin,
00:20:17And since it was false that they were cannibals, he obviously kept them on display all day inside a cage.
00:20:22And at night he would give her raw meat, pieces of raw meat,
00:20:25so that the people, the public, could see them charging for that macabre spectacle.
00:20:29But the degradation of the Ona Indians did not stop there.
00:20:33These photos we see here, which date from 1880,
00:20:37And it was that when, 60 years after Darwin passed over the roof of the Beagle,
00:20:40English shepherds arrive and settle in this area,
00:20:44as they had read these texts by Darwin,
00:20:45They begin hunting the Ona Indians as if they were animals, vermin.
00:20:49How many were annihilated?
00:20:51In total, 4,000 Ona Indians in a few decades.
00:20:54What's worse is that Charles Darwin, with those theories and writings he produced,
00:20:58It laid the foundations for what later became Nazism,
00:21:01and that Adolf Hitler took advantage of the evolution of species
00:21:04may also have a racial reflection in human beings,
00:21:06and to say that the Aryan race is superior.
00:21:08Therefore, I reiterate that someone being a scientifically outstanding person,
00:21:12that doesn't mean it is morally right too.
00:21:15Good point, Juan G. Thank you very much, mate.
00:21:17Thanks to you.
00:21:18Entire ethnic groups disappeared, of course.
00:21:20Some of us are left with only a vague and distant testimony, as is the case with Elvis.
00:21:24It seems unbelievable, but the official story tells us that he disappeared
00:21:27one night later, of course, after a life lived to the limit,
00:21:30like so many rock stars that we will talk about one day.
00:21:34But why did we choose Elvis above all others?
00:21:36Because the great king of rock, of course, was not only number one in records, in hits,
00:21:40He was also a pioneer in urban legends.
00:21:44In legends that began to speak of the fact that what we had been told about was not death,
00:21:49that there was another life, that there were hidden things.
00:21:51Some say he's still alive; I know it sounds comical.
00:21:54But in the United States, Elvis is already a legend, but also an urban legend.
00:22:03Elvis Presley was the most dazzling figure in rock and roll.
00:22:07Her voice and her hip-swaying helped to write the history of the 20th century,
00:22:12as much as Kennedy's speeches, Gandhi's pacifism, or Churchill's tenacious will.
00:22:18Therefore, when the idol died prematurely on August 16, 1977,
00:22:24Millions of fans refused to accept the painful reality,
00:22:28And news and testimonies began to emerge everywhere
00:22:32from those who claimed to have seen the king of rock in the most diverse corners of the globe.
00:22:38Thus began the forging of a strange myth.
00:22:52Over time, these stories became a topic of tabloid journalism.
00:22:59However, there is some evidence and indications that contribute to our reconsideration.
00:23:03There might be some truth to this urban legend.
00:23:07Thus, for example, just after his death, a man named John Burroughs,
00:23:12who bore an incredible resemblance to Elvis, was seen buying plane tickets to Buenos Aires.
00:23:19Elvis had often used this pseudonym when traveling,
00:23:22including a trip to FBI headquarters in Washington DC,
00:23:26in which he had offered to report on the illegal behavior of other celebrities.
00:23:35The Cuban writer, Belkis Kuzamalé, a resident of Texas, is the author of the book
00:23:41Elvis, the restless grave, or the true story of John Burroughs,
00:23:47in which she recounts an investigation that allegedly led her to discover
00:23:50How the king of rock devised an elaborate plan to disappear from public life
00:23:55whom he hated deeply, faking his own death.
00:24:01There are some striking facts in this regard.
00:24:04The first one is located in Elvis's tomb.
00:24:07The king's second name is misspelled in it,
00:24:11since he appears as Aaron with a double A, when he was baptized Aaron.
00:24:15His parents and relatives would never have allowed such a mistake.
00:24:20As for the death certificate, something strange happened with it too.
00:24:25because the original was lost and it wasn't until two months later that the current one appeared.
00:24:31It is equally striking that the Presley family did not file any complaint
00:24:35against a gang of evildoers who desecrated the tomb with the intention of kidnapping the corpse
00:24:40or that the King of Rock's multimillion-dollar life insurance policy was never collected.
00:24:48But without a doubt, the one who has gone furthest in these theories
00:24:52It was the American psychiatrist Donald Hinton,
00:24:55who claimed to be currently treating Elvis
00:24:58and that in 2003 he would give a massive press conference
00:25:02explaining the how and why of their disappearance.
00:25:06The press conference never took place.
00:25:08But Hinton left us with a mysterious photo in which a supposed 70-year-old Elvis
00:25:13She poses with her grandson, and there is also abundant handwritten correspondence.
00:25:17and personal objects whose origin neither graphologists nor personal biographers have been able to explain.
00:25:33It is very likely that we will never know if there is any truth to these stories.
00:25:38What we can be sure of is that Elvis is still alive
00:25:42in the hearts of millions of admirers.
00:25:59Very recently, Elvis Presley was in the news again
00:26:03and for reasons that have nothing to do with music,
00:26:05Our colleague Eric Flattini recovered a letter from the king of rock
00:26:09trying to show his willingness to join the CIA.
00:26:13A real smash hit, but of course, after seeing Old Man Elvis,
00:26:17Let me just say we've seen it all.
00:26:19We are talking, of course, about the sphere of urban legends, let that be clear.
00:26:22But if someone could take charge of this investigation,
00:26:25Who else? Santiago Camacho.
00:26:27Good night.
00:26:27Good night.
00:26:28You love this subject.
00:26:29The truth is, yes, I'm in my element here because it's a beautiful topic.
00:26:33It's one of those stories where you don't quite know what's true.
00:26:36It has elements of fiction, but it certainly deserves to be true in every way.
00:26:39because of how exciting it is.
00:26:41Anything else to add after what we've seen?
00:26:42Quite a lot more.
00:26:44We have talked about this book, Dr. Hinton's book.
00:26:47Donald Hinton is not an upstart, he is a psychiatrist who has a lot to lose.
00:26:52He's a psychiatrist, not an expert, but he's a psychiatrist with his clientele.
00:26:56with a doctor's salary in the United States, where they are quite respected, etc.
00:27:00And yet, a few years ago, he entered the public eye with this self-published booklet,
00:27:05He himself made it quite thin, which at the request of his client Elvis Presley,
00:27:12He publishes his handwritten letters, letters that have withstood all graphological analyses,
00:27:18The photograph we just saw and other photographs of a series of pieces that have attracted a lot of attention
00:27:24because they are personal mementos such as walking sticks, belts, cufflinks,
00:27:30things that many fans have indeed identified as belonging to Elvis Presley,
00:27:35but they have never been auctioned and had they been, they would have had some value.
00:27:39Even a dental prosthesis, even a specific gold tooth,
00:27:43Donald Hinton himself has offered to have a DNA test done.
00:27:47The problem is that there's nothing to compare it to.
00:27:49Currently, except for the descendants who logically do not want to participate in this game.
00:27:54Well, I think we've said "amazing" several times on Cuarto Milenio.
00:27:58throughout these 26 weeks, but this one far surpasses any other story.
00:28:02Urban legend, widely believed in the United States, very popular, several books,
00:28:05that famous guy with a tape that said, yes, Elvis is alive,
00:28:08But what's this about the desecrated tomb and the restless grave, Santi?
00:28:11It is truly one of the most amazing stories surrounding this mystery.
00:28:17It appears that a group of criminals is attempting to kidnap Elvis's corpse.
00:28:22He tries to desecrate the tomb, take the corpse, and demand a ransom.
00:28:26They are caught red-handed by the police
00:28:28And the surprising thing about this story is that no charges have been filed.
00:28:34no complaints of any kind from Elvis Presley's family.
00:28:37It is also striking that a multimillion-dollar life insurance policy has not been collected.
00:28:42And let's remember that in the United States, according to the legislation,
00:28:44It is not a crime to fake one's own death; what is a crime is profiting from it.
00:28:49Therefore, until that insurance is paid out,
00:28:52Neither the law nor insurance company investigators would have any involvement.
00:28:57In other words, the theory is, after this bizarre story of the kidnapping of a corpse,
00:29:00A scene worthy of this whole story is that Elvis may still be alive.
00:29:04And, well, let's just say, he put on a kind of show to get them to leave him alone.
00:29:08But there is still one more terrifying element in all of this, which is the death of a twin brother.
00:29:13That's right. Elvis's biographers know perfectly well that Elvis had a twin brother.
00:29:18who died at birth, but if we add a conspiracy theory to that
00:29:23with a little urban legend sauce, we get an even more difficult one.
00:29:27And the most difficult part of this story is that, perhaps,
00:29:30It wasn't Elvis who faked his own death, it was his twin brother.
00:29:34Conspiracy theorists who believe in this theory say that the twin brother,
00:29:39His name was Jesse; he didn't die in childbirth, but was sold.
00:29:42to a family of wealthy Texas oilmen, a very soap opera-like story,
00:29:46and that he was raised by part of Elvis's family, who were very poor
00:29:50and that's why they had had to resort to this story.
00:29:53The problem arises when Elvis is doing his military service in Germany
00:29:57And according to this theory, he always has a traffic accident in which he dies.
00:30:03Logically, in the midst of the Cold War, a symbol like Elvis Presley,
00:30:07dying while performing his military service, while in uniform,
00:30:11It would have been a terrible thing from a propaganda standpoint.
00:30:15However, the intelligence services have an ace up their sleeve.
00:30:17that they knew of the existence of this twin brother,
00:30:20The person they train is put through a kind of "Operación Triunfo" (Operation Triumph) program.
00:30:24so that he can replace Elvis after his military service.
00:30:28However, he would be living a life that is not his own.
00:30:32and at one point decides to stop the charade
00:30:34and fake his own death.
00:30:38Elvis fans would justify this story by saying
00:30:42that Elvis was never the same after his military service.
00:30:44In fact, he abandoned a large part of his musical career
00:30:48to dedicate himself almost exclusively to film.
00:30:50He no longer played that aggressive rock and roll,
00:30:52instead he dedicated himself to softer ballads.
00:30:55And well, that's more or less how the urban legend circulates on the Internet,
00:30:59creating a story worthy of a thrilling novel.
00:31:02King of legends, without a doubt.
00:31:03Number one on the sales charts and king of legends,
00:31:05Although there are other musicians who would have a chapter almost like this, right?
00:31:09Yes, the history of rock is full of strange deaths.
00:31:13like Jim Morrison's, like Jimi Hendrix's.
00:31:16There will possibly be a time to address them.
00:31:18We'll play it, Santi. Thank you so much, my friend.
00:31:20To you, Iker.
00:31:21Of course, the photo of Elvis, of that supposedly hidden Elvis.
00:31:25on some Pacific island, let's pick a random place,
00:31:29It's surprising.
00:31:30Almost as much, almost as much, even surpassing the photographs,
00:31:34You know, the classic ones, the ones from the viewers of Cuarto Milenio.
00:31:55And of the strange appearance, if I may, of the spectral Elvis Presley,
00:32:00When we were much older, we moved on to another spectrum.
00:32:03This one might be a bit more accurate.
00:32:04Carmen, good evening.
00:32:06Good evening, Iker.
00:32:06This photograph was sent to us by José López, from Valencia.
00:32:11She says it was taken in Ireland, at a place where apparently
00:32:14There are Marian apparitions in Galway.
00:32:17And it's a really strange photo, isn't it?
00:32:19Because we see in the foreground a very luminous character
00:32:22which seems to be looking precisely at that virginal image.
00:32:27But Iker also has an explanation.
00:32:29Our viewer asked us to explain
00:32:32Why does it look so bright when the rest isn't?
00:32:35and it also appears to be floating.
00:32:37Well then, let's give it to photography.
00:32:39It appears to have been taken when the sun was quite high at midday.
00:32:43most safely, which makes the light practically come from
00:32:46From a very high angle, and if there is a statue,
00:32:49which is what it appears to be, in this case,
00:32:51because it would result in an effect of lack of volume.
00:32:53We can see that it is something physical because there is also a shadow that is reflected
00:32:57And it's not like I'm floating on nothing,
00:32:59but the bushes cover what is the base of that statue.
00:33:03Furthermore, if we look at it with the comparison that Guillermo León made
00:33:06has searched those internet archives,
00:33:09We see that it is normal that with these Marian images
00:33:13because there is a virgin and someone who supposedly looks at her straight on.
00:33:17And I don't know if Guillermo León will have a solution for the next object.
00:33:20For many, it would be a gigantic mothership or spindle-shaped ship, Carmen.
00:33:24A gigantic ship that appeared to be flying over the skies of Prague in 2004,
00:33:29as indicated by the viewer who sent it to us, Ramón Rodríguez Martínez.
00:33:34He told us that at that moment, when he was taking the photograph,
00:33:37At no point did he realize that there was a strange object in the skies.
00:33:40But it also has an explanation, and the most likely hypothesis is...
00:33:44Since we have examined and enlarged that strange object,
00:33:47It's that it's one of the leaves that has blown away from that tree next to us.
00:33:52Because both the color and the brightness coincide perfectly in both.
00:33:56Clear and reliable explanation.
00:33:58What still remains unexplained is the mystery of the Holy Shroud.
00:34:01from the shawl of Oviedo, from the bloodstains,
00:34:04of the challenge that remains.
00:34:07DNA, the cloning of Jesus, many questions still unanswered.
00:34:10And don't forget, because we'll also be visiting the most haunted place in the UK,
00:34:15to come face to face with specters.
00:34:17Here, on Cuarto Milenio.
00:34:59According to the world's most veteran researchers of serendipity,
00:35:03or impossible coincidences, because there are stories that surpass any chance.
00:35:07One of them, we don't know if it's accurate or not, but they repeat it a lot,
00:35:11It is the story of Judy Wox, a promising writer who was very afraid of flying.
00:35:15The promotional work for his latest novel forced him to take a flight.
00:35:18American Airlines Flight 179, Chicago, Los Angeles.
00:35:22I was in the passenger seat 179.
00:35:25That flight never landed at the airport.
00:35:27It crashed before reaching its destination.
00:35:29The most curious thing is that Judy had given an interview to the Chicago newsletter that same week.
00:35:35Her interview appeared on page 179, and she, in one of the highlighted quotes,
00:35:40She said she was very afraid of flying.
00:35:41The most amazing thing is that if we held the page up to the light,
00:35:44His own face was superimposed on an advertisement on the back.
00:35:49The announcement of American Airlines flight 179, Chicago, Los Angeles.
00:35:53Stories like these, very similar, have happened this week.
00:35:56Seven days of chronicles of events and mysteries.
00:36:20And, man, it doesn't go as far as the supposed story of Judy Wox,
00:36:24But there has been some astonishing and tragic news this week, Carmen.
00:36:27It all happened in the Italian town of Forli, in the northwest of the country.
00:36:34There last week, Mauricio Monucci, 29, died around midnight
00:36:38after his motorcycle crashed into a pole.
00:36:41At that same moment, at the same time, the car of his girlfriend, Simona Achiaki, 27,
00:36:48She went off the road and fell down a ravine, which caused her instant death.
00:36:52When calling emergency services to report accidents,
00:36:56It is Iker when they realize that both documents belong to both deceased people
00:37:01They have the same address.
00:37:02They were a couple who died in separate accidents at the same time.
00:37:08Same time, same minute, and in different parts of Italy.
00:37:11Well, chance, serendipity, who knows.
00:37:14For some, this would be a curse.
00:37:16There is a lot of talk in Mexico about curses and strange walls with strange gods.
00:37:20A group of archaeologists has located [something] in the heart of Mexico's historic city
00:37:25a wall that is covered in snake heads.
00:37:28This wall apparently belongs to a temple that was built between 1486 and 1502.
00:37:35and consists of several floors where different types of ceremonies were performed.
00:37:39Nearby, a golden frieze adorned with a feathered vila has also been found
00:37:43about 20 centimeters high.
00:37:45Alberto Díaz Barroso, from the National Anthropological Institute, tells us about this discovery.
00:37:51This area had never been excavated before.
00:37:53Therefore, the importance of these findings lies precisely in uniting what was already known with the new findings.
00:37:59which in this case is this wall of the platform of the Templo Mayor.
00:38:05A worrying date is approaching for many.
00:38:08You'll have already noticed by looking at the calendar.
00:38:10Six? Six? Six?
00:38:12That date is making expectant mothers in Great Britain very nervous.
00:38:17And all because some want their children to be born on June 6, 2006.
00:38:23And others, on the contrary, want the birth induced so that the baby is not born on that date.
00:38:28And all because they believe they can have the antichrist.
00:38:32There are cases of mothers who have gone to their gynecologists to say, please,
00:38:36to bring forward the birth, like Francesca Rinoff, who absolutely does not want her son to be born on such a date
00:38:43malignant.
00:38:44Others, like Emma Parker, say that if they are born on the 6th day of the 6th month of this year 2006,
00:38:49They are going to name their son Demian and, in another case, another mother, Dona Magnante, will name her Regan.
00:38:56All of this revolves around that figure of the devil, feared by some and worshipped by others.
00:39:01Certainly, I, at least, would have very few eccentricities regarding the devil, or evil, that which
00:39:05It's there.
00:39:06Incidentally, 25 years, a record-breaking date for a print medium.
00:39:10Very interesting, he has reached that number and we congratulate him.
00:39:13But above all, because of the global survey included in the magazine.
00:39:17Amazing.
00:39:19Indeed, Iker, a very surprising survey because of the data that comes out of it.
00:39:23Is there life in the universe, even if it's only microbial?
00:39:26And look, of those surveyed, 96% answered yes.
00:39:31And only 4% disagree.
00:39:34But if you ask him whether intelligent life exists in the universe,
00:39:3985% of the people who took that survey said yes, they believe there is life in
00:39:44the universe.
00:39:45And only 15% say no.
00:39:47The data also reveals that the higher the economic, social, and academic level, the greater the belief in extraterrestrial life.
00:39:55Interesting fact.
00:39:55Therefore, the taboo that only ignorant people or people with very little education can do it is broken.
00:40:01They believe in life beyond cosmic boundaries.
00:40:04Quite the opposite.
00:40:05By the way, now we invite you on a different kind of trip.
00:40:07We're going to Oviedo Cathedral.
00:40:09Even an old chest that guards a shawl.
00:40:12A piece of linen with several blood stains.
00:40:14This humble object may be the royal legacy, the royal blood of Jesus of Nazareth.
00:40:20There's a lot of talk about hidden codes.
00:40:22And it seems there are some here.
00:40:23DNA, alleged cloning, scientific evidence that has also provided us with some exclusive information.
00:40:29Do you want to know all that?
00:40:30We do so in the following work by our colleague Luis Álvarez.
00:40:36Entering Oviedo Cathedral is like taking a journey back in time to the Middle Ages.
00:40:41From its architecture to the relics it houses, it has the value of being one of the
00:40:47most important in our country.
00:40:49But there is something that sets it apart from the rest: the existence of a bloodstained linen cloth in the
00:40:55interior of the Holy Chamber.
00:40:56Tradition says that it covered the face of Jesus Christ after the crucifixion.
00:41:08A relic can be, for example, even a garment that once covered a saint, right?
00:41:14And yet there is something more here than a relic.
00:41:17In that sense, it is not simply the cloth that covered a saint, but the blood of the saint, the
00:41:25That person's blood is soaked into the cloth.
00:41:29The shroud is a piece of linen cloth braided and woven as it was done in Palestine long ago.
00:41:352000 years.
00:41:36It measures 85.5 centimeters long by more than 52 centimeters wide.
00:41:41On its wrinkled surface, countless bloodstains faded by time can be seen.
00:41:46What one apparently sees there are stains, dark stains, which yes, could be blood, one might
00:41:58That is, they can be of blood.
00:42:00Now, let the scientists tell me.
00:42:02So, indeed, the scientists say, yes, this is blood.
00:42:06Historical research takes us directly to the Holy Scriptures.
00:42:11In the Gospel according to Saint John, we find the first clear reference to the holy shroud and the Shroud of Turin.
00:42:18at the precise moment of the resurrection.
00:42:21Here they verify that the tomb is empty and that there, on one side, is the Holy Shroud, what we call
00:42:27The Shroud of Turin, which was the cloth that covered the body, let's say, the whole body, right?
00:42:32In a larger cloth, therefore, and in its, a little separated from the Holy Shroud, in the part
00:42:40From the corner of the tomb, collected separately, folded, the holy shroud, which is what we believe we have here.
00:42:53The tradition of covering the face and shrouding the dead is ancient.
00:42:57In the time of Jesus Christ it was obligatory for Jews.
00:43:01This custom has endured through time to the present day.
00:43:05It seems that it was obligatory, say the authors, the historians, that it was obligatory, in case of the person's death, in an accident
00:43:14or violent death, your faces were left very disfigured.
00:43:17That then, out of a kind of modesty, she would cover her face with a cloth.
00:43:21This was it, it seems to be true.
00:43:23In the year 614, Jerusalem was invaded by the Persian armies under the command of the feared King Khosrow II.
00:43:32Someone decides to safeguard some priceless relics in a large chest, including the shroud and the sheet.
00:43:40saint.
00:43:41The cloth will thus embark on a fascinating journey of more than 100 years, until it reaches Asturias in the hands of Alfonso
00:43:48II the Chaste.
00:43:49Although the data is confusing.
00:43:51Regarding the origin of the cloth of this Shroud of Turin, there is a constantly repeated tradition that
00:43:59He comes from Jerusalem.
00:44:00An ark left over from the disciples, from the apostles, that comes through Africa, passes through Carthage, arrives in Cartagena,
00:44:08Seville, Toledo, Oviedo.
00:44:10Asturias is better, Oviedo. Before going to Oviedo, go to Asturias.
00:44:13And that's the most repeated version.
00:44:15This hypothesis would confirm that the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo were sent together out of Jerusalem.
00:44:22Both relics would have traveled to Constantinople and from there they would have separated permanently, departing for two of the most important places
00:44:31important figures of Christendom.
00:44:33Italy and the Hispanic kingdoms.
00:44:36Today, despite being a little-known relic in Spain, devotion to it draws people to the cathedral every year.
00:44:43to thousands of faithful on the rare occasions when the canvas is taken out of the holy ark and shown to the people.
00:44:49I believe that the Holy Shroud that is here in the cathedral of Oviedo is the piece of cloth that
00:44:55covered the face of Our Lord Jesus Christ after he died on the cross.
00:44:59We are here for a day trip to the Shroud, to see the relic of Jesus' face, the
00:45:06blood of Jesus, at the moment of the crucifixion.
00:45:10It was on his face, counting the blood.
00:45:14It was a very busy experience, it was a beautiful day, a beautiful day, a beautiful day for a nice cold.
00:45:22I've never experienced anything like this before.
00:45:30This is undoubtedly a very interesting relic.
00:45:33And the most surprising thing is that shortly after, in 2007, around the month of July,
00:45:39Many international scientists who once dealt with the matter of the Shroud of Turin,
00:45:43They will meet almost in secret to try to decipher all the hidden codes that this shawl still displays.
00:45:49Whose blood is that? To whom did it belong? Is it Jesus' blood?
00:45:53There are still many unanswered questions.
00:45:55We have the honor and pleasure of having forensic doctor Manuel García Blázquez here on Cuarto Milenio,
00:46:01He was the director of the Granada forensic anatomy department for 13 years, and is now a medical surgeon.
00:46:06He has written essays on topics such as the scientific search for God and the Shroud of Turin, a subject that greatly interested him.
00:46:11And also a classic, the exorcism of the Albaicín.
00:46:15It's a real pleasure, Doctor, to have you on Cuarto Milenio.
00:46:17Thank you so much.
00:46:17The Shroud of Turin, an amazing puzzle, could it be the missing piece, the holy sudarium of Oviedo?
00:46:23Do you think it could have been the cloth that covered Jesus' face?
00:46:26Well, there's no objection, not even to Jewish funerary tradition.
00:46:32The similarities between the cloth and the Shroud of Turin have been very significant.
00:46:37And in principle, there is no contradiction regarding what that canvas that covered the face could have been.
00:46:41One important difference, doctor, and one that people need to understand, is that the Shroud of Turin,
00:46:46an already iconic image, which remains mysterious, which continues to convey something that can hardly be described in words,
00:46:53It's not exactly blood.
00:46:54The difference is that we have a cloth with human blood, and there is blood on the sheet.
00:46:59But its image isn't blood, it's something else, isn't it?
00:47:01It is an image whose origin has not been explained to this day.
00:47:07It's not painting, it's not intaglio, it's not photography, it's a negative image.
00:47:13negative aspects that were still very far from being known in the Middle Ages,
00:47:17And indeed, the latest hypotheses suggest that it could be oxidation.
00:47:24of the myofibrils of the cellulose of the canvas, motivated by radiation emanating from the same body.
00:47:30In other words, a human body radiated something that became impregnated.
00:47:34Possibly. There is a mathematical proportionality between the brightness of the image.
00:47:40and the distance from the body to the cloth. For example, the forehead and the superciliary arch closest to the image,
00:47:48It shines brighter. Orbits that are deeper shine less.
00:47:52This mathematical proportionality, which is very difficult to explain, has led to the conclusion that the image is three-dimensional.
00:47:59There is no precedent, as you know, for a three-dimensional image, even in painting.
00:48:04that we give the effects of depth, not even in photography.
00:48:08There is one thing that I'm sure many people are still suspecting.
00:48:13Let me explain. Around 1988, and assuming that the Shroud of Oviedo is part of that puzzle of elements
00:48:20of the Holy Shroud, of that mysterious body that was covered with these cloths,
00:48:25Many people say, wow, but wasn't it discovered to be a fraud?
00:48:27Wasn't carbon-14 dating mentioned? Wasn't it suggested that it could be a medieval fraud of roughly the
00:48:3314th century?
00:48:34How is it possible then that there are reports that at least the shroud was already there in 1075, much earlier?
00:48:39before?
00:48:41Doctor, can you explain the carbon-14 dating issue today?
00:48:43Yes, yes. The savanna is suffering a major fire, the biggest it has ever suffered, in Chambéry, in the
00:48:50year 1534.
00:48:53She was inside a silver urn. Mentioning the silver urn is not merely anecdotal.
00:48:57That's precisely where the key to that rejuvenation may lie.
00:49:01In silver?
00:49:01In silver, which acts as a catalyst. Today, the sheet, due to its texture, its weave,
00:49:11pollen from plants extinct since the 2nd century, which grew in the vicinity of the Dead Sea,
00:49:18that these pollens are fossilized and have been compared with those from the savanna,
00:49:23Everything indicates that it is a sheet from the 1st century.
00:49:26A first-century linen sheet depicting the radiant effigy, with bloodstains in some areas, it's true.
00:49:33of a man in his front and back view.
00:49:38And the feeling we get is that someone was martyred.
00:49:42At a forensic level, and it is an honor, I repeat, to speak about this face to face with a forensic expert,
00:49:47There are surprising elements in both that shroud and that sheet.
00:49:51You forensic experts have seen elements that, wow, if it's a fraud, it's the best fraud in history.
00:49:55Fraud is virtually ruled out.
00:49:58Not only did he have to know medicine, physics, biology, numismatics,
00:50:04but the alleged man who committed the fraud had to know specialties of medicine
00:50:09that until the 20th century, even at the end of the 20th century, knowledge that was not previously available.
00:50:16For example, the crowning with thorns, the way in which, due to the effect of gravity and the position he had
00:50:22the corpse
00:50:23They run across the face; there is no painter, no one has been born, no one will ever be able to paint it.
00:50:29Because blood has a certain behavior; it is made up of different types of cells,
00:50:33with different density, different happiness, different adhesion to tissues.
00:50:38So, when viewed at thousands of magnifications, it has been proven to be a non-pictorial trail.
00:50:44but it follows those effects, those laws, let's call them that, of coagulation.
00:50:49Who could possibly possess that knowledge?
00:50:52The thumbs, in the image, are retracted and not visible.
00:50:55That is the effect of nerve damage from crucifying him, from driving in the nail.
00:51:02That nail had to be inserted without damaging the ulnar and radial arteries,
00:51:06because then the person would bleed to death and the great exemplary Roman spectacle
00:51:12The crucifixion was falling apart.
00:51:13Therefore, those who did it were experts, but necessarily,
00:51:18If the artery is not injured, the nerve is injured and retracted thumbs appear.
00:51:22The toes of the corpse appear separated from the big toe.
00:51:27And that separation, which was very common among the Roma people,
00:51:30It is typical of people who walk barefoot or in flat shoes.
00:51:34I mean, there's so much detail.
00:51:36Amazing details that...
00:51:37The thing about the coin.
00:51:38Regarding the eyelids, you know that it has appeared, it has been deciphered,
00:51:42with hundreds or thousands of increases,
00:51:45that there is an image of a lecton of those minted in the time of Giverio.
00:51:53And that currently, in Tel Aviv, at the Numismatic Museum,
00:51:56Well, there are very similar ones.
00:51:58But it's not just that this lecton is like a sign of the identity of time,
00:52:04but also that this lecton is not recorded by any procedure.
00:52:08It's not a decal, it's not paint, it wasn't eco-etched.
00:52:11There are a number of...
00:52:13Scientific challenges on a fabric of barely 4 meters.
00:52:17Indeed.
00:52:18It's still kind of a challenge, isn't it?
00:52:20And it's very interesting to listen to Dr. Manuel Vlázquez, a forensic doctor.
00:52:23From a scientific point of view, to say, wow,
00:52:25Many silly things were said back then, but that's all in the past.
00:52:29And I invite you to continue investigating, after a few minutes,
00:52:32on Cuarto Milenio, about something much more exciting, if that's possible.
00:52:35Blood.
00:52:36There is blood on the shroud and there is blood on the sheet.
00:52:40It is amazing to know, doctor, that it is the same blood.
00:52:42Yes, Group AB, which was also the predominant group in Palestine.
00:52:47Then I'm going to ask him if he agrees with the possibilities that are already being discussed.
00:52:50I don't know if it's fiction or not, about cloning.
00:52:52Cloning that man, because if there is blood, there will be DNA and that DNA can be manipulated.
00:52:57He'll answer me later, doctor.
00:52:59Yes, me.
00:52:59Then we talked about that issue that is generating incredible controversies, especially in the United States.
00:53:04Many believe that the second coming of Jesus was a scientific coming.
00:53:08through nothing less than cloning.
00:53:10Are we talking about absolute irreverence and stupidity, or is it a topic that at least needs to be taken into account?
00:53:17At least here we're going to ask about him, on Cuarto Milenio.
00:53:19We're also going to talk about and visit an amazing place, Hampton Court, in England.
00:53:24A place that some say is still haunted by strange presences.
00:53:29Let's get to know it from the inside.
00:53:31All that, after a few minutes.
00:53:47A place teeming with strange presences, or is a place teeming with strange presences.
00:54:12Around the year 1075 AD, the first written description of what would become a mysterious hidden shawl appears.
00:54:20in a holy ark inside the cathedral of Oviedo.
00:54:23Blood, bloodstains forming a kind of face, but a face that was, of course, beaten to death.
00:54:32It appears that computer comparisons indicate, as if it were a puzzle, that they are the same person, at least.
00:54:37the same anatomy.
00:54:38Are they the same being? Is it Jesus of Nazareth? The same individual who covered the Shroud of Turin and the
00:54:44from Oviedo Cathedral?
00:54:45The investigation continues, and it has taken on an almost police-like quality.
00:54:49Let me explain. The latest research attempts to locate strands of DNA, that person's genetic code.
00:54:54Where could this lead? For now, the blood type is exactly the same, but there are more surprises.
00:55:01In 2007, several international scientists will attempt to transfer information.
00:55:06Information that is not yet public, but which Cuarto Milenio has been able to gather in an exclusive journalistic report.
00:55:12Something else has appeared, something much more disturbing in the Oviedo shawl.
00:55:18In the late 1980s, a group of Valencian scientists created the Spanish Center for Sindonology.
00:55:25Surprised by the existence of such a painting in Spain, they joined together to investigate in depth the enigmas it poses
00:55:32this piece of cloth
00:55:33and discover whether or not tradition matched reality.
00:55:37If the Shroud of Turin and the Shroud of Turin covered the body of Jesus of Nazareth, is there any scientific proof?
00:55:44that guarantees it?
00:55:45On the shroud we have a series of bloodstains, almost, well, it's very liquefied because it's part of
00:55:51blood per 5 of lung fluid
00:55:55And that makes them almost imperceptible stains.
00:55:58However, we have some stains that we are seeing in photographs of the Shroud of Turin,
00:56:04Of course, they have to be detailed photos, where you can see, for example, the threads.
00:56:07In these cases, we have reference points that lead us to believe that one fabric and another had similar stains,
00:56:14even coinciding with a high degree of coincidence.
00:56:17American writer James Bosenio recently published an apocalyptic novel
00:56:23in which there was speculation about the possibility of cloning the crucified man from DNA
00:56:28taken from the Shroud of Turin.
00:56:31Assuming that the man of the Shroud and the Turin Shroud was Christ,
00:56:35What is the church's opinion?
00:56:37And what about science?
00:56:39Jesus' body will never appear, therefore DNA in that sense will not be found.
00:56:45may never be discovered
00:56:47And to link it from the point of view of Jesus' body, right? It's going to be very difficult.
00:56:53Cloning a person would be like getting a twin brother, at most, but certainly not the same person.
00:56:59In other words, that's not just science fiction, but a considerable lack of understanding of what cloning means.
00:57:03One of the most disturbing pieces of information that will surely have an answer from the team of scientists
00:57:09may be a surprising discovery.
00:57:11On the canvas, while the bloodstains were being analyzed, the scientists got a big surprise.
00:57:18In addition to finding blood from a man with blood type AB, they found traces of female blood.
00:57:23An attempt was made years ago to conduct a DNA study
00:57:27and it was found that there are indeed traces of female DNA as well.
00:57:34But it's normal, because think about it: DNA can be in saliva, for example.
00:57:37Many people have touched the sheet throughout history.
00:57:40In other words, if you simply take a sample from a site and try to see what kind of DNA is there,
00:57:45because there will be DNA from many people.
00:57:46In 2007, some of these questions will be answered by experts of many nationalities.
00:57:52who will meet in the city of Oviedo to celebrate the second international congress on the Shroud.
00:57:58Let's say that the new developments, the new scientific developments,
00:58:06They advise that we should have, that it is time for us to have, a second international congress.
00:58:12I think it's time for scientists to have new things to tell us.
00:58:19And they are worth listening to.
00:58:21Perhaps in 2007 these and other questions will have answers.
00:58:26Perhaps one day it can be proven that the Holy Shroud covered the face of Jesus of Nazareth.
00:58:33There is the blood of Jesus. There it is.
00:58:36Tradition tells us so, and science does not deny it.
00:58:40The paths of faith do not need the help of science.
00:58:43Although perhaps one day faith and science will meet at some point.
00:58:49And maybe it's in this one.
00:58:57We are in a time of anticipation regarding historical enigmas.
00:59:01We are in a time when people constantly talk about, for example, the Da Vinci Code or Leonardo.
00:59:05It was also said that Leonardo may have been one of the creators of the Shroud of Turin.
00:59:10another of the strange and outlandish theories.
00:59:12But what is very clear, dear friends, is that reality always surpasses any fiction.
00:59:16How many plots from genuine novels, religious or scientific stories,
00:59:20Could this report by Luis Álvarez have been clearing away?
00:59:24A great deal, without a doubt.
00:59:26There are some very curious elements in the blood, but even when analyzing the image on the Shroud of Turin at a forensic level,
00:59:33There are things, doctor, that are surprising.
00:59:35For example, there was much talk about the strange length of one of the arms.
00:59:41Some people thought that's why it could be a fraud, that the supposed painter or the evaporator of that image
00:59:46The paintbrush had slipped from his grasp.
00:59:48But there is another explanation.
00:59:50Both at that level and in the left leg, which appears slightly flexed, are cadaveric phenomena.
00:59:56Rigor mortis, the rigidity of death.
00:59:59It's a phenomenon that affects everyone, except that the stiffness usually starts 4, 6, or 8 hours later.
01:00:04after death.
01:00:05But violent death comes very early.
01:00:09Death by crucifixion, for example?
01:00:10Indeed, death by crucifixion.
01:00:13Then the sun was about to set; the great Jewish Sabbath was beginning.
01:00:17If Jesus is not buried that same afternoon, he has to be left there, for it is somewhat of an adventure of the
01:00:23carrion birds,
01:00:24that used to be in that crucifixion area.
01:00:27And then they hurry to take him down from the cross.
01:00:30There we have another proof of identity and reality.
01:00:33That rigor mortis was premature because he was crucified.
01:00:37And in those few hours that intervened before he could be buried, well, there was hardly any time, because rigor mortis had already set in.
01:00:44very intense, to straighten the member and it had to be done that way.
01:00:51There is one thing that I am sure has surprised our viewers.
01:00:54Something that doesn't quite fit.
01:00:56Studies conducted in 2007 with experts who had even worked at NASA, who also analyzed the Shroud
01:01:01Saint.
01:01:02They will gather in Oviedo.
01:01:04This is news that we are reporting almost exclusively.
01:01:06And we also thank all the people who guard the Shroud of Oviedo in the cathedral of this city for their assistance.
01:01:12city,
01:01:13because they have been absolutely open with Cuarto Milenio.
01:01:15But there is one thing that, as I said, doesn't fit.
01:01:18Blood of men and women.
01:01:20Any explanation, doctor, just a quick one?
01:01:23Yes, it is perfectly possible to determine, even the sex of the blood, with DNA.
01:01:28The day DNA could be done on the blood that appears on the Oviedo canvas and on
01:01:35the one from Turin,
01:01:36It could be stated unequivocally whether they belong to the same person or not.
01:01:41What can never be known is whether that blood was Jesus' blood, because then the body of Jesus would be needed.
01:01:47Jesus.
01:01:48To compare?
01:01:48For comparison.
01:01:49This is used in forensic medicine for paternity testing.
01:01:52Now, we can determine whether this child is the son of this man or not.
01:01:57But the example of the man, of the father, is also needed.
01:02:00And what's the point of having women's blood on that Oviedo handkerchief?
01:02:02Well, I take into account that there has to be DNA from bacteria, pollen, fungi, tears.
01:02:11Many tears must have been shed on the Shroud of Turin when it was displayed.
01:02:16Those tears carry a DNA load.
01:02:18Therefore, Jerusalem has suffered, as you know.
01:02:23It was besieged, there have been wars that have followed one another, the Jewish war, the Muslim conflict,
01:02:30The sheet went in and out.
01:02:32In all those scenarios, it is very normal that contamination could have occurred.
01:02:36Doctor, the Shroud would be like a kind of decal that accumulates endless information.
01:02:40Yes, indeed, information through the centuries, indeed, from everything, from pollen, from blood, from tears.
01:02:47That's why determining the DNA in those stains isn't so easy, because they are highly contaminated.
01:02:53But it is scientifically possible.
01:02:55DNA experts can certainly, with time and a great deal of work,
01:03:02to one day establish whether the Shroud of Oviedo and the Shroud of Turin belong together or not.
01:03:07That blood to the same person. That's possible.
01:03:09The doctor, Manuel García Blázquez, explains it perfectly.
01:03:13for so many years director of the Forensic Anatomical Institute of Granada,
01:03:16Today, he is a medical surgeon and the author of books such as The Scientific Search for God.
01:03:19An essay on the Shroud of Turin, where an attempt is made to combine a difficult task: science and religion.
01:03:24But there's a question that's in the air and that people are asking themselves lately.
01:03:27There are even books, I don't know if they're scandalous or not, and even sectarian groups that claim it can be done.
01:03:33Science says that many things can be done with DNA.
01:03:36So, let's consider the hypothetical case, doctor, that of that shroud of Oviedo or that Holy Shroud
01:03:42That DNA can be physically extracted.
01:03:45Scientifically, what can be achieved with that?
01:03:48Well, for me, anyone who tries to clone Jesus of Nazareth is abhorrent and deviant.
01:03:56It's something that defies my reason.
01:03:59I am Catholic, I do not admit it, it is an abhorrent thing.
01:04:01Now, if you ask her, how does she do it?
01:04:04Scientifically, could cloning be achieved from a few DNA fragments?
01:04:09The answer is yes.
01:04:11How is that DNA maintained?
01:04:13What state of purity?
01:04:14What difficulties might arise?
01:04:15I can't answer that.
01:04:17But is that remote possibility even possible?
01:04:19Would it exist?
01:04:21Scientifically, yes.
01:04:22But I think it's an aberration to even think about that.
01:04:25Even if the DNA, doctor, is two thousand years old?
01:04:28Yes, and for many more years.
01:04:31If it is kept reasonably well under conditions that are, I'm not saying optimal, but reasonably adequate, then it can be achieved.
01:04:38Wow, I think the thousands of questions that might arise now in every home watching Cuarto Milenio,
01:04:44Is there DNA, is there blood?
01:04:45What can be done in the future?
01:04:47What can be done without our knowledge, without us being aware of it?
01:04:51Will there be respect or not?
01:04:54Certainly, there are conjunctions that are almost terrifying in some cases.
01:04:58Doctor, I would like to end with a question that I know is difficult,
01:05:02But on a personal level, as a scientist and as a Catholic, who is that man to you?
01:05:07I have almost no doubt that it is Jesus of Nazareth.
01:05:11It has been a pleasure to have you here, Mr. Manuel García Blasquez.
01:05:14Thank you so much. My pleasure as well.
01:05:15Let's hope this isn't the last time, okay?
01:05:16Thanks a lot.
01:05:17Thanks a lot.
01:05:19There we have the answer, and there we certainly have the topic for you to come up with your own.
01:05:24That's always been the mission of Cuarto Milenio, a fascinating topic.
01:05:27In Oviedo, they are working on the blood from a handkerchief that possibly covered the face of that man who was
01:05:32on the Shroud of Turin.
01:05:33A puzzle worthy of a novel, but absolutely real.
01:05:36We will have more answers by July 2007.
01:05:39What we've done here is get ahead of the news, with surprising images, images that, I'm sure, won't go unnoticed.
01:05:45to be able to forget.
01:06:13To speak of the United Kingdom is undoubtedly to speak also of castles, of sumptuous mansions, forgotten in some countrysides and
01:06:21also of inhabitants who are neither flesh nor blood.
01:06:24We're talking about specters, about ghosts.
01:06:26Since the Middle Ages, there has been an attraction towards them.
01:06:28There are places that are famous precisely for that reason, for the alleged photographs and even videos that were captured there.
01:06:35Look at this carefully.
01:06:37It was captured in 2003 and, of course, went around the world.
01:06:40On this occasion, a period costume is what distinguishes the time of this supposed ghost inhabiting
01:06:46another world.
01:06:47What surprised everyone most was the fact that he physically opened some doors.
01:06:52Until now, it was assumed that ghosts could pass through walls and certainly didn't have to exert brute force.
01:06:57to open the doorknobs of one of these gates.
01:07:00But it is just one of the documents from a special place, Hampton Court.
01:07:04A place where some rather interesting parapsychological experiments have been conducted.
01:07:08People have tried to put themselves in very specific places and feel things.
01:07:12Do you want to see this place? Do you want to wander through the dark corridors of Hampton Court?
01:07:16We're going to do it here, on Cuarto Milenio.
01:07:22According to legend, Hampton Court Castle, a popular tourist attraction with 500 years of history, located at
01:07:29Southwest London is inhabited by spirits and ghosts that, throughout the centuries, have made themselves known.
01:07:36through its halls and corridors.
01:07:42Actually, seeing a ghost in Hampton Court is not a common phenomenon.
01:07:47What usually occurs are sensations of panic, pushing, or rubbing.
01:07:54These are the phenomena that are easily witnessed here.
01:08:05It was at Hampton Court that Catherine Howard was arrested, after she fell out of favor with her husband Henry.
01:08:12VIII, when he found out about various romantic relationships he had had before the wedding.
01:08:18The day before her execution, Catherine managed to escape from her quarters and reached the door of the chapel.
01:08:25But he had no opportunity to beg the monarch for mercy.
01:08:28The guards arrested her and dragged her back to their quarters, while she begged for forgiveness.
01:08:34husband.
01:08:35She was beheaded on February 13, 1542 and replaced on the bed of Henry VIII.
01:08:43However, for many, Catherine Howard never left Hampton Court.
01:08:50These are experiences that are very difficult to classify as natural phenomena, but something is happening.
01:09:00In March 2001, the Hampton Court Palace administration called in a group of parapsychologists led by the
01:09:07Dr. Richard Weisman,
01:09:08after some tourists reported a ghostly presence, terrifying screams, and sudden drops in temperature in
01:09:17the runners,
01:09:18what specialists describe as thermogenesis.
01:09:22An unprecedented investigation was carried out involving dozens of volunteers of all ages.
01:09:28The results showed that participants experienced a greater number of unusual events in places considered haunted.
01:09:37such as the Georgian rooms and the haunted gallery.
01:09:41I saw two faces and thought they might be ghosts.
01:09:46And so I testified.
01:09:49Even the measuring instruments that were deployed picked up disturbing anomalies in the enclosure.
01:09:56What's interesting about the experiment is that it's in the area where most people have
01:10:01strange sensations.
01:10:03What is also significant is that this is precisely the place where strange fields have been detected.
01:10:09magnetic.
01:10:10A controversial theory argues that these magnetic fields could cause these strange ghost experiences.
01:10:18Hampton Court remains one of the UK's most important tourist attractions today.
01:10:24There are hundreds of people, even skeptics, who to this day claim to have felt the same unsettling sensations.
01:10:33It may just be his management style, although the more romantic among us prefer to continue thinking that he is the tormented specter of
01:10:41Catherine Howard,
01:10:42the one that still haunts the corridors.
01:10:53In the old catalogs of early parapsychology researchers, it was said that an old abbey, Borley, its rectory,
01:11:00It was the most haunted place in all of the United Kingdom.
01:11:03That the specter of a nun and a priest appeared there.
01:11:07There was a fire, there were some crimes, some messages on the walls.
01:11:09But there are changes in the Top Ten, as in everything.
01:11:12We are in the 21st century and Hampton Court could be, according to today's experts,
01:11:17the one who has taken the lead in that strange list of the most unsettling, most mysterious place.
01:11:21Carmen, a place that is certainly different, with very strange sensations.
01:11:25One of the most visited places in London, because people believe that they can encounter the ghost there.
01:11:31of one of King Henry VIII's wives.
01:11:33Legend has it, and many people have even experienced phenomena firsthand, so to speak.
01:11:40In some ways, extraordinary.
01:11:42To such an extent that, as we saw in the report, this professor Robert Wisserman even conducted an experiment,
01:11:48It is said that Queen Elizabeth II herself requested this, given the phenomena that were occurring there.
01:11:54So he decided that an official investigation should be carried out.
01:11:59436 people participated in this sort of survey, where they walked around the corridors.
01:12:08On a normal day, the castle was open to the public; they were with other tourists, but they had to write down what they felt.
01:12:15in each room.
01:12:16Half of them, Iker, felt extraordinary things.
01:12:20Dizziness, vomiting, temperature changes, strange smells, which had nothing to do with the smell in the castle.
01:12:28And exactly half of them, including those who experienced strange phenomena, were completely skeptical.
01:12:35Iker didn't believe in any ghosts.
01:12:37Only 13% of those who had volunteered for this paranormal survey
01:12:42They said they felt something, but the rest didn't believe in anything, and yet they witnessed extraordinary things.
01:12:51including lights that were recorded.
01:12:53So we have two very interesting elements that classical parapsychology has names to define.
01:12:58Clarity and essence, which would be those strange smells, often identified as the smell of flowers, sudden,
01:13:03which sometimes has a natural cause and they say other times it does not.
01:13:06And one more unsettling one, thermogenesis, when the temperature changes radically.
01:13:10In how many movies have we seen that just before the specter, the ghost, whatever appears,
01:13:15We don't know what it is here, of course, there's a sudden change in temperature.
01:13:19So much so that the early researchers always carried a thermometer in their old briefcase.
01:13:24It was like an indicator that something was about to happen.
01:13:26Everyone gives us a name for the ghost, the supposed ghost of that person who is said to appear in Hampton Court,
01:13:33And it's Catherine Howard.
01:13:35She was beheaded in this very place, on February 13, 1542.
01:13:40And that is why all the witnesses have seen a white figure gliding down the hallway
01:13:45where the jailers take her until she is beheaded.
01:13:50But I was going to ask you precisely about the video, because we don't know who the hell it is.
01:13:54It certainly looks like a physical person and breaks all the laws of supposed ghosts.
01:13:58But there was a lot of controversy surrounding this filming, which, if you like, we can watch again with all the viewers.
01:14:02Yes, there was a lot of controversy and there still is, because it is not known for sure who could have made this video.
01:14:09What is known is that he was captured by a security camera, which went to one o'clock in the
01:14:13afternoon of a November day.
01:14:16That's right, Iker. A security camera captured this.
01:14:19And why is that security camera being reviewed?
01:14:21Because we would all say, man, normally, if nothing happens,
01:14:24And that's precisely where the alarms go off.
01:14:28It is a door that is used in an emergency.
01:14:32Suddenly the alarm starts going off, and the caretakers at the facility decide to go and see what's happening.
01:14:39They see that no one has been able to open that entrance, and that is why they decide to watch the film.
01:14:45When the footage is viewed, this curious image is captured.
01:14:48They describe him as wearing a very long robe, as we are seeing, and having a very pale face.
01:14:53And there's an interesting fact, because anyone who has visited Hampton Court will have noticed that the guides,
01:15:00Those who give the guided tour are dressed in period clothing.
01:15:03But none of the outfits match the clothing worn by that supposed spirit that opens the doors.
01:15:10Wow, wow, how interesting, because opening doors certainly isn't part of the official canon that we've been given.
01:15:15taught to everyone from childhood
01:15:16of the behavior of the spectra, if they exist.
01:15:19But the truth, Carmen, is that this individual has not been located to this day.
01:15:23No one knows who he is.
01:15:24It is not known who he is, but there are witnesses, such as security guards James Fikes and Vicky Wood.
01:15:30who witnessed how that apparition appeared at the site where they work.
01:15:36Also, Iker was very scared.
01:15:38We also saw Wisserman earlier; when he saw this footage, he was a little shocked.
01:15:43and even made statements in one of the British newspapers saying that she should be investigated further,
01:15:50but it was a very curious and quite shocking film, and it had all the hallmarks of not being a
01:15:55fraud.
01:15:55Well, for now, if you don't mind, we'll leave it at that, without knowing if this video is real or not.
01:16:01It is certainly surprising and well done.
01:16:03Let's go somewhere else, Carmen. Let's, if you like, touch on the nerve centers of that United Kingdom.
01:16:09who still talks about ghosts.
01:16:11Reinhardt Hall. This place, if not for a photograph taken many years ago.
01:16:18and which has become the world of mystery in the most special photography regarding ghosts
01:16:23or supposed ghosts. It's a classic now.
01:16:27We see a nebula, a figure that appears to be a woman going down the stairs.
01:16:32The curious thing about this photograph is that when it was taken by Captain Probant,
01:16:36He was even accompanied by his assistant, they, who spend very few occasions together,
01:16:41They witness how that nebula descends the stairs.
01:16:45Here's a very important point, Carmen, and it's essential for the photographs you'll have later.
01:16:49of our viewers. As you may have noticed, most of the time,
01:16:53Whoever takes a picture of these strange things is unaware, that is, you can't see anything.
01:16:56It appears in the development or, let's say, in the digital processing of the graphics card.
01:17:02But one is not aware, one is not seeing the ghost.
01:17:05It must be assumed that those two individuals were photographing the staircase.
01:17:08And what they call the brown lady of Reinhardt Hall was coming down step by step towards them,
01:17:13which means a lot of cold blood.
01:17:15But not only that, regarding this apparition, this figure,
01:17:19The truth is that there have been many more witnesses, Iker.
01:17:22There have even been military personnel who have stayed there overnight.
01:17:26to confront this supposed ghost that would belong to Dorothy Walpole.
01:17:32Has it been given a name too?
01:17:33Yes, yes, yes. She was the sister of one of the ministers of England.
01:17:38in the 1700s, in the 18th century.
01:17:42That's it. Here we see it, it's even been given shape.
01:17:45He is wearing the brown suit that all the witnesses describe,
01:17:48That's why she's called the brown lady.
01:17:50And one of the captains, Captain Mariland,
01:17:53He even goes so far as to shoot at that supposed specter.
01:17:57The bullet got stuck in one of the doors because it scared him so much.
01:18:01Furthermore, he says that her gaze and her smile sent chills down his spine.
01:18:06In other words, he even managed to perceive the smile of the specter.
01:18:08Not only that, but he saw her coming down the hall with a lantern.
01:18:11accompanied by three other people.
01:18:14He was with three other people.
01:18:15They were so scared that he grabbed his gun that was nearby and fired.
01:18:19That says he crossed the supposed spectrum
01:18:21and the bullet remained lodged in one of the doors.
01:18:24Of course, it doesn't surprise us that in the United Kingdom
01:18:25be masters of the romantic ninth,
01:18:27the novel of loves that come from the other side.
01:18:30Women, in particular, have been seen as protagonists
01:18:32of strange and bloody deaths that are then paraded
01:18:34always in the same places.
01:18:35Once again, turning to the canon of parapsychologists
01:18:38we would say that one thing is a haunted house
01:18:40And another thing is a kind of apparition, a phantasmogenesis
01:18:42in the sense that it always takes the same route,
01:18:44always in the same place, as if wanting to send a message to someone.
01:18:48Sometimes the cameras moved ahead.
01:18:50These spectral spirits, if that is what they are,
01:18:52and they are nothing else, frauds or natural elements,
01:18:55Of course, they each have a story,
01:18:57a dramatic story, a sad story,
01:18:59as sad and reflective as an image
01:19:01which is a woman sitting on a tomb.
01:19:04Curious image, isn't it?
01:19:05It is certainly very special.
01:19:07Yes, it was taken in the Bad Cheldor grove.
01:19:10There, one of the photographers,
01:19:12one of the people who was going to visit their relatives
01:19:15buried there, he decided to take a picture.
01:19:17At that moment he says that he sees nothing and no one,
01:19:20But it's curious because you can just see a kind of woman.
01:19:25with... you can't see his face very well,
01:19:27But she seems thoughtful, doesn't she?
01:19:29And that she is sitting in a tomb.
01:19:30It was verified that that tomb did indeed belong
01:19:33to a woman more or less the same age as the person
01:19:36who may be sitting on top of her.
01:19:38And not only that, Iker, there are many people
01:19:41that in this cemetery, which is no longer used
01:19:44to bury people, it has already become
01:19:46on something else entirely.
01:19:48People even take the remains of their relatives with them.
01:19:51That's why rituals have begun to be performed there
01:19:53of a satanic nature, black magic,
01:19:56And what the family members are doing
01:19:58It is to move the remains of their loved ones
01:20:00to other cemeteries, sometimes closer
01:20:02or that they are better monitored.
01:20:04But it is true that many people
01:20:06As a result of this photograph, they go to the cemetery.
01:20:08to capture images, to try to capture the impossible.
01:20:12And in some of them, just as we have seen here
01:20:14in many of the photographs of the friends of Cuarto Milenio,
01:20:17those kinds of lights, like balls, appear.
01:20:19which experts call ORF, right?
01:20:22And that they are particles normally in suspension,
01:20:25that they have nothing more than the reflection of the flash
01:20:27It appears to be a ball of light, but there is nothing beyond it.
01:20:30The only figure, the only figure that has been captured, is this one.
01:20:34And that was more than 50 years ago.
01:20:35But there was no one there physically.
01:20:37There was nobody there, according to the person who took the photograph.
01:20:41in that place and at that time.
01:20:42But the ghosts, of course,
01:20:44They are not unaware of technological advances.
01:20:47They too have caught the internet bug.
01:20:49Right now, ghost cams have become
01:20:51in a kind of epidemic,
01:20:52And I believe that epidemic was beneficial.
01:20:54because we can see what's happening in real time
01:20:55in some of these places marked by mystery.
01:20:58One of those small cameras is set up,
01:21:00And sometimes there are surprises, Carmen.
01:21:01The truth is, yes.
01:21:02In this supposedly haunted place in England,
01:21:05also in Orshal,
01:21:06There is a webcam installed in different rooms of the building,
01:21:11precisely where all people
01:21:13who claim to have witnessed the extraordinary
01:21:15They have captured different sensations.
01:21:18And here we see some of those supposed ones,
01:21:21alleged ghosts, entities that have captured
01:21:24the friends of mystery.
01:21:25We see nebulae passing by.
01:21:27Yes, but the other thing was very clear.
01:21:28We also see a kind of lady walking,
01:21:30a white lady,
01:21:31walking through the corridors,
01:21:33But always, and there she is,
01:21:34It's by the same staircase.
01:21:36They say he goes down that staircase.
01:21:37And why all of this?
01:21:38Because that staircase has a story.
01:21:41Margarita Radcliffe,
01:21:42which is the one known as the ghost of Orshal,
01:21:45He falls down those stairs.
01:21:47She is either pushed or killed.
01:21:49And always for the same reason.
01:21:51The Ghosts of London
01:21:52They appear to be mostly female
01:21:54and always for the same reason,
01:21:56adultery.
01:21:57In this case, too.
01:21:58She is pushed down those stairs
01:22:00where we have marked
01:22:01to one of those supposed entities.
01:22:03Yes, like a vapor, at least.
01:22:05And there he dies.
01:22:05Wow, these English people are amazing.
01:22:09Women, adultery, murders,
01:22:11and the places as if marked in blood
01:22:12that even, well,
01:22:14are reflected in the graphic documents.
01:22:16There's more, there are more graphic documents.
01:22:17We're going to the legendary Tower of London.
01:22:20There have been many people there.
01:22:21who claim to have seen ghosts.
01:22:24And here there are several types of ghosts,
01:22:26Iker is always supposedly talking about this.
01:22:29This 11th-century building
01:22:31It was built thanks to King William I of England.
01:22:36Furthermore, within this fortress
01:22:38A building was constructed,
01:22:40which is the White Tower,
01:22:41that was used for royalty,
01:22:44but it was also used for other, more gruesome things.
01:22:47It was a prison,
01:22:48People were beheaded there too,
01:22:51And that's why all around this building
01:22:53a legend of evil began to be built.
01:22:56Of evil and ghosts.
01:22:58What is this?
01:22:58Well, this is nothing more and nothing less
01:23:00that a figure of a supposed entity
01:23:02captured by one of the visitors
01:23:04of the Tower of London.
01:23:06Because they are the visitors
01:23:07those who have captured the most curious images,
01:23:10Iker.
01:23:10Furthermore, since 1882,
01:23:13in a work written in English,
01:23:15Ghostly Visitor,
01:23:16that's when it's said for the first time
01:23:18that extraordinary phenomena occur there.
01:23:21There is a testimony that claims to have seen
01:23:23a procession of ladies and gentlemen.
01:23:26He is at the front of that group.
01:23:27a woman whose face is never seen
01:23:30and that everyone identifies with Anne Boleyn.
01:23:33Again, Henry VIII
01:23:36enter the legend,
01:23:38that king of whom many say
01:23:40who murdered his wives
01:23:42And others say they died of normal causes.
01:23:46Well, it's in all these legends.
01:23:48of haunted buildings
01:23:49and in this case it's Anne Boleyn
01:23:50because there are some portraits
01:23:52inside the rooms
01:23:53and all who have witnessed
01:23:55of that supposed appearance of the lady
01:23:57They identify her with that portrait.
01:23:59There are others who even
01:24:00It reached the English courts
01:24:03because one of the caretakers of the facility
01:24:07He was found one night
01:24:09completely unconscious.
01:24:10At first they believed
01:24:11who had fallen asleep
01:24:13but when he is awakened
01:24:14It tells the story.
01:24:16He says he sees it coming
01:24:17a lady who appears pale,
01:24:21ethereal, she goes towards him,
01:24:22He signals him to stop three times
01:24:24as they usually do and act
01:24:26On these occasions, the guards.
01:24:29At no point did that lady
01:24:31that identifies him with a woman for
01:24:32and what she says
01:24:34It's that something gives him,
01:24:36It goes through him
01:24:37and at that moment it falls
01:24:38completely unconscious.
01:24:40Nobody would believe that
01:24:41and even less so in a court of judges.
01:24:43The thing is, there was
01:24:44three more witnesses
01:24:45that from different rooms
01:24:47of the castle
01:24:47They were watching and contemplating
01:24:49that same scene.
01:24:51Well, it's obvious.
01:24:51that precisely tonight
01:24:53so special of ghosts of specters
01:24:55Let's get to the photos
01:24:56from our viewers
01:24:58obtained precisely there,
01:24:59in the Tower of London,
01:25:00no more, no less.
01:25:01We're going to recover
01:25:01a curious photograph
01:25:03that he sent us
01:25:03a viewer of Cuarto Milenio
01:25:05which was precisely taken
01:25:07in that tower
01:25:07and where it also seems
01:25:09He captured a ghost.
01:25:11Let's analyze it
01:25:11and to see it,
01:25:12as usual,
01:25:13the photographs
01:25:13of the viewers
01:25:15of friends
01:25:15from Cuarto Milenio.
01:25:35A very outdated suit,
01:25:37a hat with an outdated headdress.
01:25:40He's certainly someone who, well,
01:25:42It's not the latest,
01:25:43But the strangest thing is that it's someone
01:25:45that shouldn't be there.
01:25:47At least it didn't have to be there
01:25:48in the Tower of London
01:25:49at this time
01:25:50because it was taken
01:25:51last year,
01:25:52in October of last year.
01:25:53She sent it to us
01:25:54our viewer
01:25:55Juan José López Cubero
01:25:56from Guadalajara
01:25:57and he told us
01:25:58that was captured
01:25:58by a friend
01:25:59who were there
01:26:00tourism
01:26:01and that suddenly
01:26:01Well, they took some photographs,
01:26:03but not to the place,
01:26:04but a security camera
01:26:06And there it is.
01:26:07that may have
01:26:08a kind of trick
01:26:09because the photograph
01:26:09It's not rigged
01:26:11at no time
01:26:11and that the information
01:26:12It is not altered
01:26:13But it is true
01:26:14that many times
01:26:15in these places
01:26:16where supposedly
01:26:17ghosts appear
01:26:19or there is a legend of ghosts
01:26:20Yes, that's true
01:26:21that the authorities
01:26:23or even
01:26:24those who are taking care
01:26:25of the premises
01:26:25They make those little jokes
01:26:27so that tourists
01:26:28take them
01:26:29a snapshot
01:26:30somewhat mysterious.
01:26:31Gee,
01:26:32What a joke.
01:26:33It could be a joke too
01:26:34the following image.
01:26:36He is traveling
01:26:37at full speed
01:26:37through the internet,
01:26:38online.
01:26:39Many people believe
01:26:40which is accurate
01:26:41And it's quite scary.
01:26:43It's the same old story.
01:26:44whose is it
01:26:44under the bed.
01:26:46It's circulating
01:26:46through emails
01:26:48of a large part
01:26:48from our friends
01:26:50and from all over Spain
01:26:51because this image
01:26:52It seems to be arriving,
01:26:55It gets into our mailboxes
01:26:56email
01:26:56and suddenly
01:26:57it tells you
01:26:58that if you don't
01:26:59certain thing
01:27:00a curse
01:27:01It's going to fall on you.
01:27:02Those are urban legends,
01:27:03those chains
01:27:04as he told us
01:27:05Elena Flores
01:27:06who is the person
01:27:07what it says
01:27:08please
01:27:08say it once and for all
01:27:09by all
01:27:10in a media outlet
01:27:11that these stories
01:27:12They are lies.
01:27:13Cyberlegends.
01:27:13Yes, they are already urban legends
01:27:16that they're going to see
01:27:17the city of light
01:27:18online.
01:27:19But look,
01:27:20There are people who are scared of it.
01:27:21because we have received
01:27:22emails from young people,
01:27:23for boys aged 12 to 16
01:27:26that they were really
01:27:27scared by this story.
01:27:28And that's the legend
01:27:29And rightly so.
01:27:30It tells you nothing more
01:27:31and nothing less.
01:27:32Do you know who's sleeping with you?
01:27:34This photo was taken
01:27:35in a hospital
01:27:36after the patient
01:27:37would be responsible
01:27:38from an accident
01:27:39where he died
01:27:40a young woman.
01:27:41It has been said
01:27:42if you receive this image
01:27:43and you don't send it
01:27:44at least
01:27:45five people
01:27:45This woman will look for you.
01:27:47at night
01:27:48to connect
01:27:49with your soul.
01:27:50Some people
01:27:51from Laredo, Texas
01:27:52They even give a place
01:27:53that I don't know
01:27:54if it exists.
01:27:55They received her
01:27:56and they didn't send it
01:27:57and soon after
01:27:58were killed
01:27:59outside a bar
01:28:00through the center
01:28:00from Nuevo Laredo.
01:28:01Apparently
01:28:02This woman
01:28:02He killed them.
01:28:04What it tells you
01:28:04in the end it is
01:28:05send it
01:28:05at least
01:28:06five people
01:28:07or the woman
01:28:08He will enter at night
01:28:09in your bedroom
01:28:10And he will look for you.
01:28:11The clear place
01:28:11that exists
01:28:12that which does not exist
01:28:13is truth
01:28:14from the photograph
01:28:15So it's very clear
01:28:16friends
01:28:17cyberlegend
01:28:18cyberlegend or not
01:28:19There are many images
01:28:20lurking around there
01:28:20that we want to know
01:28:21and analyze
01:28:21Carmen
01:28:22two directions
01:28:23As usual
01:28:24our two ways
01:28:25contact
01:28:25the first
01:28:26via mail
01:28:26electronic
01:28:27on Cuarto Milenio
01:28:28at4.com
01:28:29and our section
01:28:30mail
01:28:3118189
01:28:32clearly stating
01:28:34the postal code
01:28:35from Madrid
01:28:3628080
01:28:37and from this very moment
01:28:38Let's get started.
01:28:39to look
01:28:39to investigate
01:28:40to pursue new mysteries
01:28:41new enigmas
01:28:42They already know
01:28:43are
01:28:43fourth millennium
01:28:44and
01:29:29Thanks for watching the video.
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