00:00So, Justin, first, can you kind of tell me what your take is on,
00:04I don't know if you saw that, but that clip we played right there,
00:07the Bomani Jones one where he was talking about how Jason Tatum
00:12should have spoken up and said something.
00:14Jalen Brown liked that.
00:16What are you hearing, and what does that say to you
00:18about how this whole thing ended?
00:20I mean, yeah, there's certainly something there.
00:22I mean, that would partially explain some of the urgency, right?
00:25Like, at least Jason Tatum might not have went to the Celtics
00:28and said, I want Jalen Brown gone.
00:30But he didn't say, I want him here,
00:32because otherwise he probably would be here.
00:33Like, that's the one thing I really can't wrap my head around here still
00:37is why now and why for that package?
00:39You could have done this deal in August.
00:41You could have done this deal next year.
00:43I don't understand why it had to happen now.
00:45So I think there is certainly something there.
00:47And maybe, you know, their relationship, obviously,
00:49like it's been scrutinized for years.
00:51It's been under the telescope for years.
00:52But maybe this was the year that there was finally some friction.
00:55Maybe the idea of Jalen Brown going out on his Twitch stream all this time
01:00and saying, how was his favorite season?
01:01As Jason Tatum was working to get back and watching from the sideline,
01:04maybe that finally got to him.
01:06And, of course, the usage could play into it as well.
01:08Like, Jalen Brown had a higher usage rate than him in the playoffs.
01:11Like, does that factor in as well?
01:12So for all these years, like all the scrutiny
01:14and everything that they've been under,
01:16possibly it did reach a breaking point this year.
01:18And, you know, there was no point of return.
01:21So, Terp, you got to talk to Mazzulli yesterday, right?
01:24And he spoke for a while there.
01:26He never is that emotional,
01:27so it's always tough to read into his feelings on things.
01:30But what did you come away thinking he is feeling about,
01:33if you can glean anything, about, you know, the Jalen Brown departure?
01:38I thought it was interesting that he said he had no input
01:40because I don't really buy that.
01:42Like, of course, the head coach is going to have input.
01:44This is a guy that the Celtics really believe in.
01:46So, you know, obviously they're keeping him around this year.
01:48So I think he absolutely had input.
01:50And the thing that's been clear throughout everyone
01:52that's spoken about this is that they're going out of their way.
01:56They're doing all that they possibly can
01:57not to kick Jalen on the way out here.
01:59Like, they want to be very respectful to him
02:01and what he was able to accomplish here.
02:03So I think that's very clear.
02:04But I also think it was clear that they are kind of leaning
02:07into a different identity.
02:08And I think that identity will be what they did the best last year.
02:12Like, they were the best offensive rebounding team,
02:14one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the league, right?
02:16You had Mitchell Robinson.
02:17So you're kind of, you know, securing that aspect of your game.
02:20Who was your biggest turnover problem the last couple years?
02:23Jalen Brown.
02:24You get rid of him.
02:24You bring in Mike Conley, who can be trusted to handle the ball.
02:27So I think you are just kind of doubling down
02:29on the things that they did well last year.
02:31And in turn, you're moving on from Jalen Brown.
02:34We had somebody from Yahoo on last week,
02:37and he was the guy who wrote that article about how analytically
02:39Jalen Brown, you know, was a negative and all that.
02:42But, I mean, it got a lot of play, and a lot of people, you know,
02:45took some of the numbers that he threw out there as a way to kind of justify
02:49this trade.
02:51But the one thing he also said that I thought stuck out was that this trade
02:55was a lose-lose for both sides.
02:57Like, it was a lose for the Celtics because they only got Paul George back.
03:00They got pennies on the dollar.
03:01But he also said that you throw Jalen Brown into a mix over there with the
03:0576ers, and you've already got Maxie, and you've already got Joel Embiid,
03:10and now you're throwing in another alpha and someone who's going to want to
03:13show you that he is not what those numbers say that he is.
03:17Could you see there be some sort of potential for things to implode over in
03:22Philadelphia?
03:23100%.
03:24All these years of Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown not liking each other,
03:28or you want to see a pair of teammates that might actually not like each
03:31other, that's Jalen Brown and Joel Embiid.
03:33Like, Jalen Brown took shots at him on his Twitch the entire postseason.
03:37He was talking – the GM relayed something on some station the other day.
03:40He was talking about how Jalen's saying he's going to push Joel Embiid,
03:43get him in the gym, like, kind of bring a different mentality for him.
03:47So, yeah, I think there's absolutely a chance that this doesn't pan out.
03:50And just from a roster construction standpoint as well, it is pretty weird.
03:55Like, you have Tyrese Maxie, obviously, is their number one guy.
03:57Joel Embiid's their number two when healthy.
03:59Jalen Brown was slotted at number three.
04:01Vijay Edgecombe deserves more touches this year after the rookie year he had.
04:05And you've got a guy like Anthony Simons who also needs to get shots coming
04:08off the bench.
04:09So, the whole construction of that team, I don't know.
04:12It feels like it's one of those other teams.
04:13Like, we've seen so many of them really in, like, recent NBA history that they
04:17get all this collection of talent.
04:18It really doesn't mesh.
04:19I could see this work, like, that kind of happening with Philadelphia.
04:22Well, I'm sure they'll start building the new identity with Ugo on the court
04:25tonight at Summer League, Terp.
04:27I mean, what are you expecting?
04:28Is this going to be – is he going to be Jordan right away, or will it take him
04:30a couple months?
04:31I mean, he didn't have a great Summer League last year and did have, by all
04:34standards, pretty good, solid rookie year last year.
04:37So, I expect him to have the ball in his hands a lot.
04:39But, like, Emil Jefferson was talking about it yesterday.
04:41He's coaching the Seminary team that they expect him to kind of take on a
04:44leadership role, which is kind of funny because he's the second youngest player
04:46on the team, and he's only 20.
04:47And he just joined the team because he was with the national team for Spain at the
04:52FIBA World Cup qualifiers.
04:54So, I expect him to have the ball in his hands more.
04:56But, obviously, there's a ton of pressure on him.
04:57Like, so much pressure on him for a Summer League game here because, you know,
05:01everyone knows they didn't want to include him in a trade for Giannis.
05:04And, of course, that's kind of going to be tied to him.
05:07So, there's going to be a lot of pressure on him.
05:09And it kind of gives you a good chance to see, like, what he's made of in these
05:12kind of pressure situations.
05:14Although, it is still Summer League, right?
05:15You can't put a whole lot of stock into it.
05:17But, you know, people are going to want to, especially when you miss out on Giannis.
05:20And part of that was because of the reluctancy to include him in a deal.
05:23All right, Terp.
05:25So, where do you ultimately think LeBron's going to land?
05:28Because, right now, the last we've heard is Windhorst saying that the team has
05:33made a decision.
05:34Or, like, I guess he's basically signed or he's agreed to joining one team,
05:40and it's not the Cavs.
05:42Where do you predict that he is going to go?
05:45Maybe that Lou Cornett voice memo for the Spurs really lured him in.
05:49Like, maybe that was it.
05:50Lou Cornett came in at the final buzzer here and recruited LeBron to say,
05:53San Antonio.
05:54Yeah, how weird is that, by the way, that LeBron was apparently making these
05:57teams, like, leave him a voice memo to basically say how much they wanted him.
06:02And Lou Cornett took that and ran with it.
06:03He was like, all right, I'll leave you a message.
06:05Is that not the most LeBron James thing ever?
06:07He's probably just playing those on loop as he's driving around the golf course
06:10using Bronny's clubs, whatever it may be.
06:13Bronny is $2.9 million guaranteed salary, which he waited a day after so that
06:18salary became guaranteed.
06:19The whole thing is, like, the most LeBron James thing ever.
06:22So I think if it's not, if it's not, if Lou Cornett's message did not work and he
06:27doesn't want to go to San Antonio, which I don't think he does, I think it's
06:30probably Miami.
06:32Yeah, well, you know what, Miami, the only reason I say it's not Miami is because I
06:36think that he's trying to do everything to bolster his resume to be the greatest
06:41of all time.
06:41And it's not as sexy if you go back to a team that you've already won a
06:45championship with instead of saying, I've gone to four different teams and won
06:48championships everywhere I've gone.
06:50And if it's the Sixers, it's even bigger because that team hasn't won anything
06:53since 1983.
06:55So you can also say, I mean, look at this guy.
06:57He, he rose us from the dead and he, all of a sudden he brought back the glory
07:00days.
07:01And if he went to Philly, oh my, him and Jalen Brown, those games, the TD
07:05garden, which I mean, you might have to get earplugs.
07:09It's going to be so loud.
07:10That would be incredible for like a coverage for us and the coverage
07:14standpoint here.
07:15That'd be great having those two together.
07:17But again, we talked about it.
07:18Can he put his differences when Jalen Brown said that Bronny wasn't an NBA
07:22player?
07:22Could he put that aside?
07:23Can those guys mend the fence?
07:25I mean, clearly they didn't think they could mend the fence with Jason Tatum.
07:27Can he do LeBron?
07:28I don't know.
07:29Maybe that's a question mark you got to ask.
07:31Yeah.
07:32The only thing, Terp, that I think that where it could actually work is, you know,
07:35how we said that you've got like three alphas over there, all trying to, you
07:38know, have ball time between Maxie and Jalen and Joel.
07:41If LeBron comes in, we all know who the alpha is.
07:44And so do the players.
07:44They're like, well, LeBron's the guy.
07:46And maybe he would be the one that would make you think it like even more that
07:48it doesn't work.
07:50Well, okay.
07:51You might be right.
07:52Yeah.
07:53Then they'll all be miserable that they're not getting the ball enough.
07:55Oh, how great would it be if Jalen was cocky enough to try to get in
07:58LeBron's face and, you know, try to upstage LeBron.
08:01That would, now that would be fun.
08:03That would be nice.
08:04Well, LeBron on the Twitch stream would do numbers though.
08:07Yes, absolutely.
08:08It would.
08:08Well, Justin Turpin, great stuff.
08:10Where are you going?
08:10Are you going to go anywhere like fun while you're there?
08:13Are you going to, you know, go to one of these like insane, you know,
08:16dinner places or go to one of those clubs where, you know,
08:18people are high off their brains and there's trapezes and stuff?
08:21Really all of the above.
08:22You can catch me at the casino after the Celtics game tonight though.
08:25Six o'clock local time.
08:26That's perfect.
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