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Ti Windisch from GyroStepPodcast called in to talk about the endless Giannis for Jaylen Brown rumors, and his thoughts on what may happen with both the Celtics and the Bucks this offseason.
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00:00We have a gentleman on the phone with us, Ty Windisch from Eurostep Podcast.
00:04He covers Giannis and the Bucs and can tell us a little bit about what's been going on there.
00:08And by the way, we are broadcasting from the Ketcheslaw Injury Attorneys Studio.
00:12No fee unless you win.
00:14Ty, thanks for coming on with us, man.
00:15We really appreciate it.
00:17Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
00:19I really appreciate the opportunity.
00:21And yeah, it is a funny situation where both sides seem offended by the straight-up swap,
00:27which means it's probably hard to go anywhere else.
00:30But clearly worth talking about based on all the reporting.
00:33So where do you stand as far as who's right in this?
00:37Because Celtics fans think that, you know, Giannis, I don't know, man.
00:41He's older and he's a big man and older big men usually end up breaking easier.
00:46And then there's people who are saying, well, you know what?
00:48Why would Giannis, why would you trade Giannis for a guy who's not youth,
00:52like a youth movement to rebuild the team?
00:54So it's definitely not worth it.
00:55Where do you stand on all that?
00:58Honestly, I think both sides have pretty valid points.
01:01I think, you know, Brad Stevens, I think pretty deliberately said in his end-of-season media
01:05availability, like, we need to adjust the rim pressure of the roster, right?
01:10And I think, you know, it'd be a pretty dramatic way of doing that to add Giannis,
01:14who is, you know, has dunk numbers like a Rudy Gobert, right?
01:18Like a center who just gets lobs all day, but he does it by pressuring the rim constantly.
01:22So clearly the need, I think, is there for Boston.
01:25And Milwaukee needs two-way wing players.
01:27It's the hardest thing to find in the league.
01:29The Bucs are clearly very short at that position, really have never solved, you know,
01:34since Chris Middleton declined with age and injuries, they've never really had a worthy
01:38replacement there on the wing.
01:40They've tried with a bunch of players like Kuzma and others, but clearly we're talking
01:44about a different caliber of player with Jalen Brown.
01:47But I think, you know, both for Boston, I think it's totally fair to acknowledge the
01:52injury history of Giannis and what that's meant in the playoffs.
01:55And especially when, you know, your own injury situation with Tatum sitting out most of the
01:59year and, you know, not being able to go by the end of the playoffs, it's like a little
02:02nervy to have big question marks now on your two clear most important players if they made
02:08a trade like this.
02:09But from Milwaukee's perspective, they weren't good enough with Giannis.
02:12I think Giannis, when he plays, is better than Jalen Brown.
02:15You don't really have your pick control.
02:16So if you're doing something close to a one-for-one swap, are you kind of just locking yourself
02:21into, we'll be all right?
02:23You know, maybe we can be scrappy with a new coach and system, but I don't really know
02:28what the path forward is without any real draft picks after this draft, you know, all
02:33the swaps and stuff until, you know, basically the next decade in the 2030s.
02:36So if, Ty, if there was a deal with the Celtics, what do you realistically think the Celtics
02:42would have to give up for the Bucs to agree to a Giannis trade?
02:46Yeah, I would think, you know, I don't really look at the other players on the roster as
02:52much just because, again, like, since they don't have their picks, the Bucs aren't going
02:56to, if they trade Giannis, launch into a full-scale rebuild.
02:59I don't think it would be more of kind of what the Nets had to do, ironically, after
03:04trading with Boston of, like, okay, we don't have our picks, like, we just need to accumulate
03:08young players and take swings and make ourselves respectable, and they did before they kind
03:13of gutted that for the KD-Tyree thing.
03:16So I think Milwaukee, though, that being said, you do just want to pick more often.
03:22I mean, they've had such a horrible run of draft picks, but they haven't picked much.
03:25This is going to be their first lottery pick in 10 years, and they're usually using, like,
03:29one every other year, if that.
03:31So you would think some other draft pick capital.
03:33The problem I know Boston is it'd be more out in the future, and that doesn't necessarily
03:37help you a ton if it's like, oh, we got Jalen Brown and a 20-30 first.
03:42Well, we already are going to have some stuff in 2030, but it's going to be a long four years
03:46to get there.
03:46So some sort of a three-way deal, I think, may make the most sense here, where even if
03:52it's lesser players than Jalen Brown going to Milwaukee, maybe a few of them.
03:56The Bucs need depth.
03:57They need just shots at getting more good contributors.
04:00So, you know, some lesser assets like picks or young prospects, I think, kind of make
04:05more sense to me if I'm the Bucs than kind of cashing in the whole Giannis chip on one
04:10additional player.
04:11Ty, what kind of say does Giannis have at where he goes?
04:14Do you think he will?
04:16And were you there when he gushed about Missoula?
04:19It seems to like the Celtics, or at least respect them.
04:23Yeah, I think my understanding of this, and this isn't, you know, reporting and more just
04:27reading everything else and what's been out there, and a little chit-chat here and there
04:31is just like, I think it's more like a, like he's, I think it's going to be like, yes or
04:37no to each destination, more than like, I'm going to this team, right?
04:42Because that was the Knicks whole line, you know, really much until this point of this
04:45whole saga was like, oh, he's going to be a Knick.
04:48Like he wants to go to the Knicks, but if you read around the deadline, I mean, it seems
04:51like he, you know, to some degree him or his camp, and Giannis will, I guess, correct
04:56you if you, oh, I didn't say that.
04:58It came from my camp.
04:59What does that mean?
04:59We don't have to interrogate that right now.
05:01We joke on the potty as like a rogue agent or something who's just out here saying these
05:05things, but Miami got the nod.
05:08I think Minnesota got the nod, kind of Portland and Golden State got the, yeah, I don't think
05:13so as much, and New York, of course, got the nod, all the reporting.
05:16I think Boston, if not already, would as well.
05:20So it kind of seems like teams that are in the Midwest or on the East Coast and just
05:23successful, right?
05:24If not right now for Miami in the recent past.
05:27So Boston fits the bill.
05:28I think he'd be interested in going there.
05:30It doesn't seem like he's going to do the all one team Anthony Davis to the Lakers thing.
05:35I think Giannis, this whole thing in part has been caused by it being such a saga, has
05:41been caused by him not wanting to be the quote unquote bad guy and going and demanding
05:45a specific trade.
05:46I think he may want to move.
05:48I don't think he wants to do the one team thing.
05:50It'll be more like a small list, but I think Boston will certainly be on the list.
05:53Yeah.
05:54Let's, let's talk about that, Ty, because you know, the one thing that we've been talking
05:57about a lot over the past couple of days has been Jalen Brown and some of the things that
06:02he's been saying and not saying and whispering to Tracy McGrady, possibly, and Tracy McGrady
06:06saying, you know, he, I, but I wasn't, I'd never talked to Jalen Brown, even though that's
06:11his mentor.
06:12It's a weird type of, I want to be talked about mentality that seems to be permeating
06:19from Jalen.
06:20What kind of weird stuff like that, if any, is going on with Giannis?
06:24Cause I remember for a while it was Milwaukee or bust.
06:28It was like, he was the biggest salesman for playing for the bucks.
06:31And then something happened during the Doc Rivers years where it sure didn't seem like
06:36he enjoyed playing up there anymore.
06:37When he comes here, if he comes here, should we be on the lookout for any type of, I don't
06:43want to say attitude problem, but an interesting aspect to who he is.
06:48I mean, I, I think contentment wise, I wouldn't really worry.
06:53Right.
06:53Cause you're going to have Jason Tatum there and, you know, Derek White, and obviously Brad
06:57Stevens has shown a penchant to nailing these late round first, whatever's wherever that
07:01Boston is picking, you know, as well as just finding good trade opportunities.
07:05So I would imagine it'll be competitive enough.
07:08I wouldn't worry about that.
07:09I will say I've been talking about this for longer than this current saga.
07:12You know, Giannis has a way of just, you know, he makes inconsistent statements to the
07:16media.
07:16I think he's very guarded.
07:17I think, you know, his background, of course, like, you know, selling trinkets on the streets
07:23of Greece to survive, right?
07:24Like, I think there's a trust aspect and he's very guarded with what he shares a lot of
07:29the time, especially if it's to a wider group of media, not a one-on-one interview with one
07:33of the guys he's got this years long rapport with in Milwaukee.
07:37So I think that that's what I would look for, but I don't think, you know, I think Boston
07:42tends to be so competitive.
07:44That's really what he wants.
07:45And that's the issue that's come up with Milwaukee.
07:47I don't think it's, I don't think there's any secret drama with him or the other players
07:51or the coach or the front office, the ownership or anything like that.
07:54I think he looked at it after the Dame thing and they clearly went out and waved and stretched
07:58him and thought, you know, we'll get Turner, we'll retool, we'll be more modern, two-way
08:02team, yada, yada.
08:04And I think Yannis looked at it and went, we need another guy who's at least close to
08:07my level to win and that guy isn't here.
08:10And I just don't think we're going to be able to do it.
08:12And I think if you look at all the teams that he's informally given the nod to, I think
08:16Bam Adebayo is a bit of a stretch and fit with Yannis, but clearly Yannis is really
08:19high on Bam.
08:20They have the same agent and really is in on Spoh in Miami.
08:23And then it's Ants and the Wolves, it's Jalen Brunson and the Knicks, and now Tatum and
08:26the Celtics, you know, I think he wants that player who can help insulate and make sure
08:31he's able to win and, you know, expand his legacy with additional titles.
08:35That's the goal.
08:35I just think he's not, he doesn't feel certain Milwaukee can do it, which fair play.
08:40They sure struggled to win games this past season.
08:42Hey, Ty, do the brothers have to be part of the package, the Yannis brothers?
08:46And what do his teammates there think about, you know, that threesome always having to
08:51be together?
08:52Yeah, I mean, it seems like Thinassus, actually Yannis' oldest, the older brother, who's been
08:59around longer in Milwaukee, has gotten a lot of respect in the Bucs organization and league-wide,
09:04I think, really does bring a lot of kind of the intangible sort of, you know, energy, leadership,
09:13all these other things.
09:13Certainly plays a role, I think, in stabilizing Yannis in particular, mentally.
09:18And you've seen some of the big playoff moments over the years, and T.A., as he's called,
09:22was, you know, right there kind of talking to Yannis, making sure he stays focused.
09:25So I don't think that's been as much of a, you know, issue or anything like that.
09:30I believe he's a free agent, so I'm sure, I'm sure they'll kind of figure out how they're
09:35going to handle that in Boston if, when a trade like this happens.
09:38Alex Zedekupo, on the other hand, I think his teammates were happy to see him get a little
09:43run and score toward the end of the year.
09:45He's the Cooper Manning, right?
09:48Yeah, you look at the G League stats in year three, it's not two-way caliber.
09:53That one holds up a little tough.
09:56Right, right, right.
09:56It's like, you know, an heir and a spare.
10:00Well, great.
10:01Well, we can embrace all three of them if that's all part of the deal.
10:04I, for one, you know, there's mixed, just to let you know, Ty, it's not everyone's clamoring
10:10for a trade.
10:10I, there's some people who are kind of, quote unquote, sick of JB's antics and they would
10:17like something different.
10:18I am not one of those people.
10:20I think that, you know, just, just keep Jalen Brown around.
10:24I don't, I think unless they can figure out a way to get Giannis here and for Celtics to
10:29still be able to keep the two J's, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
10:32But it sure does sound like that would be pretty much impossible.
10:34Even if you've got a third team involved, I don't know how you would end up with Giannis
10:38without giving up Jalen Brown, unless you know of a way.
10:41No, certainly not.
10:43Right.
10:43I mean, I think even if Boston had all of their own future picks, right, why would you want
10:48to bet against the team with Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, and Giannis Dettacupo all under,
10:52I mean, forget whatever the rest of it looks like.
10:54I wouldn't want to bet, you know, great.
10:56We get the 30th pick every other year.
10:57Like that's not, not going to help you rebuild.
10:59So no, I, I don't think there's any, I think it's, you know, I first heard around deadlines
11:03from someone I talked to a bit that, hey, Boston's talking to Milwaukee.
11:07What do you think about that?
11:08And I thought it was crazy at the time.
11:10Yeah.
11:10If anything, I was like, wow, would they do Tatum for Giannis to have Jalen and Giannis
11:14healthy in the playoffs?
11:15And then, you know, Tatum ends up healthier than Giannis on the stretch.
11:17So I'm not, I have no insight on what the combo was, just that they talk.
11:21But I don't see how it would start without a J.
11:23Do you remember how the people were nearly rioting in Dallas when they got rid of Luca?
11:27Yes.
11:28That would be if Tatum ended up getting traded anywhere.
11:30Yeah.
11:30There's not even, like Tatum is untouchable.
11:32And if it happens, I swear to you that, I mean, people will lose their crap.
11:35They will lose it here.
11:36I can't think of a more shocking trade, at least in this generation, at least in the last
11:42like 20 years.
11:42I mean, I can't think of anything more shocking than that, that he is essentially untouchable.
11:48So we'll see, man.
11:50It's going to be an interesting as hell off season because I'm looking at Cal Sheehan,
11:53as I said, 20% to Boston, 18% that he stays with Milwaukee or retires, retires.
11:59That's interesting.
12:00Cleveland is at 16%.
12:03That's the definition of hedging your bets.
12:05Well, Ty, we appreciate it once again.
12:07Ty Windisch with the Eurostep podcast.
12:10Great name, by the way.
12:11And he covers Giannis and the Bucs.
12:13We appreciate you coming on with us, man.
12:14We really appreciate it.
12:16Yeah.
12:16Thank you so much for having me.
12:17Thank you so much for having me.
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