00:00Shador does have to prove stuff now.
00:02Like that's the part of this stage that he's in.
00:03He's got to now prove it's on him to showcase everything.
00:07It's that you get no benefit of the doubt at this point.
00:09You have no understanding that greatness is right around the corner.
00:12I think he's going to be good, but we don't know that.
00:15It's on him now to go ahead and make sure.
00:17And that's kind of the problem with that conversation.
00:20It's not doubting Shador necessarily.
00:22It's just not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
00:24I was going to say that kind of has become the problem with the Shador conversation right now.
00:29Cause you and I have been pretty similar in our thoughts on Shador.
00:31Like we both liked him coming out.
00:32We both thought he'd be a really good fit for Kevin Stefanski's offense.
00:35Maybe not so much.
00:36And now I actually think he's going to be a great fit for Tom Munkin's offense.
00:38So we did differ there because I just don't think anybody works for Stefanski's offense.
00:42That's fair.
00:42I think Stefanski's offense sucks.
00:44Except Jacoby Brissett.
00:45But no, I just think people have a hard time understanding.
00:50Like you can still believe that Shador has the chance to be good while also taking a real,
00:56like looking at the reality of the situation and seeing,
00:58yeah, last year there were some moments, but it was not overall good quarterback play.
01:03And he has to go out now and sort of prove that himself.
01:05It's on him.
01:06And that doesn't mean you hate Shador.
01:08It just means, yeah, we saw some signs,
01:10but was it enough to be convinced that he's the franchise quarterback?
01:12Like, absolutely not.
01:13And I think that's a very fair measured stance to have on Shador Sanders at this point.
01:17But I find it interesting because as, and obviously here in Cleveland,
01:21like this is the, when it comes to the Browns,
01:23the quarterback conversation is like the stars and the moon.
01:26It's the alpha and the omega for sure.
01:27It's the thing we've talked about for so many years in a row,
01:30trying to figure out what the answer is there.
01:32And it becomes this like, you know,
01:34monotonous conversation over and over and over again.
01:36This time of year, when training camp starts back up,
01:38it's going to be every day tracking what's going on and who's doing what and all these things.
01:42Don't sell the convo we're having too hard now, Spencer.
01:44But, but like, I find it interesting to get somebody like Joe's perspective from like an outside look
01:49where all these other people are just looking at it and they're just like,
01:52yeah, this is two bad quarterbacks.
01:54It's just kind of like, who's not as bad.
01:55And I just find that kind of funny.
01:57Like I find it funny that everyone else is taking this different approach.
02:00I thought it was depressing is the word I would use.
02:03I thought it was, it was anything but comical to me because I, I think it highlights the idea that
02:07we.
02:07I think it's funny because of how much it matters to us.
02:09Like we don't care and nobody else in the NFL cares, nobody else nationally cares about the story.
02:14We care because obviously we care about the Browns.
02:16It's what we discuss every day.
02:18They don't care.
02:19The line that Joe gave about, I think most people look at this and say the Browns,
02:23most people feel that the Browns quarterbacks that are on this team right now are not going to be part
02:28of their plans in 2027.
02:30That's like the most telling thing about how everybody else views this and how we view this.
02:33Well, you couple that with the Miles Garrett trade.
02:35And yes, it does kind of speak to the idea that the Browns are taking this as,
02:39it's not even a poison pill year.
02:40They're just, it's not, I don't even want to call it a gap year.
02:42Cause that sounds offensive as well, but it's not a year where they're lined up to just win a bunch
02:47of games.
02:47And the people that are arguing in the other direction of that,
02:50I think they, they have a hard time when people like Joe pop on and tell us that type of
02:54news.
02:54I loved your question, by the way, where you asked about if, if the whole,
02:58if everyone is in agreement that the Sean is, is only going to start so long.
03:02And that, and that should, or is it going to play at some point this season?
03:05Why even start Deshaun Watson?
03:07Because that's, that's just another layer to the Deshaun Watson.
03:10It drives me insane.
03:11Like there's nothing to learn about Deshaun.
03:12If everybody, cause everybody's consensus feeling, and maybe Tom Munkin doesn't feel this way.
03:16And he's obviously the one making the decision.
03:18Maybe he believes the person that he picks is going to have a chance to start all season.
03:21He's already said, he thinks he has two starting quarterbacks on this team.
03:24So, okay.
03:25But if the general consensus is, yeah, Deshaun might start the year because he's the more experienced quarterback
03:31and quote unquote, gives you the best chance to win, but we all think Shador is going to start at
03:35some point.
03:36I would rather just start it from the beginning.
03:38Why, why even bother?
03:39Like cut out the middle man and just let that man start so he can find out what he is.
03:42It drives me up the wall.
03:44The amount of conversations that start with that, well, well, Shador is going to play anyway,
03:47but I think Deshaun should play and give off their reasons.
03:50And it's like, guys, if you're, if you're already committing to the idea that the second quarterback
03:54is going to end up starting, then what are we doing here?
03:56I feel like that's the classic example of Daryl loves the line.
03:59If you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one, like you're basically admitting before
04:02the season starts, like, yeah, we don't have a starting quarterback.
04:05Like everyone who's talking about this, Deshaun might start first and then we're going to
04:09pivot to Shador.
04:10Like you're basically admitting that the Browns don't have a franchise quarterback.
04:13Wouldn't you rather find out if they do by just starting Shador Sanders immediately and
04:16getting the most information you can?
04:17I would.
04:18Yeah.
04:18I just don't want to credit Daryl for like longstanding football thoughts, you know, for like
04:22under understood football thoughts.
04:24That's a real simple one.
04:24So.
04:25Yeah.
04:25Yeah.
04:26Okay.
04:27I was thinking of really obvious football thoughts that we could just credit to Daryl
04:31now moving forward.
04:32We just come up with a list of like six or seven different ones.
04:34I mean, he does come on this show and talk cap a lot and gets the saxophone, the sexy
04:38saxophone played.
04:39Hey, passing, good for the game of football.
04:42I am saying yes, yes, and oh yes.
04:45Dash Daryl Ryder.
04:46Only guy to ever say that one.
04:47All right.
04:48Let's talk about Brendan Soresby.
04:49I'm fascinated by this conversation.
04:50So this is Joe DeLeon joining us moments ago about what happens now with Soresby.
04:55If scouts and evaluators were looking for a little bit more from him to show up in big
05:01game moments for a team that was in a national title conversation like he was supposed to
05:05be this year, I certainly think that that is going to knock him at least a little bit.
05:09But at the end of the day, I do also think that there's a lot of teams that don't have
05:13a desire to draft him, even though that there was interest.
05:16I think that the concerns and fears of everything that was tied to the betting scandal are going
05:22to create a lot of uneasiness.
05:24And when you have more time for this whole thing to ruminate, teams have their time to
05:28like really, really do the due diligence.
05:30I do think that him sitting around not doing anything will hurt him.
05:33I also do think that the possibilities for this quarterback class being so loaded and having
05:37so many names in it that are floating around in that second round range for the chance to
05:41rise.
05:42I think a lot of dudes can pass him up.
05:45And so I, you know, I just hadn't thought about it from the Soresby side of what happens
05:49if he just disappears for a year.
05:51The Claret comparison is interesting that Joe brings to the table, but I don't think it's
05:55apples to apples is the thing typically isn't.
05:58I look at it.
05:59If you're not in front of people, you're going to lose the momentum.
06:01You're going to lose the conversation.
06:03And yeah, if we're going to have a potentially five quarterbacks taken in the first round
06:07of next year, if you're an NFL evaluator, are you going to take the guy that you recently
06:11watched torch LSU or torch USC, or are you going to take the guy that hasn't played football
06:16in a year?
06:16You're probably going to take the guy you just saw.
06:19I had a conversation last week with some, some friends about the Soresby situation and
06:23the, between the three of us in this group text, the one was like, eh, he'll get drafted
06:28like late round next year.
06:29And so I want to get like great value.
06:30And I basically was like, are we sure about that?
06:33Like, are we, are we, is it a guarantee that if he doesn't play the entire season that he's
06:37just going to, some, some team's going to be willing to use a six or seventh round pick
06:40on him just because he's a quarterback.
06:42Like I get the logic there, but at the same time, you're talking about an entire class
06:47of players, not even just the quarterbacks, like an entire class of players that are going
06:50to have tangible tape that they're putting on film for these teams to then look at and
06:55decide if they want to draft this guy versus a guy that doesn't play the entire season.
06:58Like this only is going to serve to hurt him.
07:00And I don't know, as we're talking about this class next, this next year's class being
07:04generational and Arch Manning's the headliner and it's another Manning sort of coming into
07:08the league.
07:09And then all these other names, Dante Moore, maybe Julian saying, et cetera, et cetera,
07:13going on down the list.
07:14I can't sit here definitively today and say, and understand like where he's going to fit
07:18into the picture of all this.
07:19I don't even know JP, if he's going to play in the NFL ever, like, how do we know that
07:24this isn't like the, the NFL basically saying like, you are not welcome here forever.
07:29I'd like to think that they, at some point we'll give him a chance to make it in the
07:32league because they have given second chances to others who have had gambling situations.
07:36We mentioned Ridley earlier in the, in the show, but like, I, I, I, I'm, I'm questioning
07:41that now.
07:41Like, where does he turn the UFL?
07:43Is that his, is that his grand solution to getting to the NFL?
07:46You can't go to the UFL.
07:47The CFL has already said, no, thank you.
07:48So like, I, I don't know.
07:50Will a Juco take a chance on it?
07:51Cause here's, here's the other thing that's interesting about this because he dropped
07:54Will a Juco take a chance?
07:56Does the, can you bring back the injunction and then go play Juco ball?
07:59Well, that's the problem is like, because he, because he dropped his case against the
08:05NCAA, that initial injunction he got goes away.
08:08So he is currently like ineligible to play in college.
08:10So whatever team he goes to, he has to do another injunction hearing and get another
08:14injunction before he can even play.
08:15So I like, I have no idea where he has to turn.
08:18I know, but could he play for like, what is it?
08:19I think Cam Newton went to, it was a brine.
08:21I think is that like, there's so many different ones that you can go to that are like, like
08:24Juco powerhouses, right?
08:26Can you go to it?
08:27What's the one that was on last chance?
08:28You go there.
08:29Can you do that?
08:30I mean, I, I just never, I never considered it.
08:33I would assume Juco falls under the same jurisdiction as all colleges.
08:37You have to play.
08:37He still has to get an injunction before he can.
08:39Is it better for you to just send them workout tape, like the NFL evaluators workout tape
08:43once a week and being like, this is my, this is my mock, my mock play.
08:47I don't know.
08:48I don't know.
08:49I don't know what will hurt him or help him, but I know not playing for a year and having
08:52no film is going to hurt him drastically.
08:54I honestly think his best case is to just basically.
08:56Do people care if there's 35 touchdowns in Juco football?
08:59Probably not.
08:59No, but I do think.
09:01At least they're playing.
09:02To your point, I think maybe his best bet is to use this year as kind of what the NFL
09:07wants him to use it as.
09:08I think like a lesson, like a suspension.
09:11Hey, you had football taken away from you.
09:13Now go out and prove to us that you're changed and you're not doing these things.
09:17Become prominent on social media.
09:19Deshaun Watson.
09:20He loves posting all his workout videos on social media.
09:22Do that.
09:23Show all the work that you're putting in.
09:25Go, go move out to California.
09:26I mean, this just destroys them though.
09:29This destroys your career.
09:30It does.
09:31It does.
09:31It's not up to a good start.
09:32In such a way.
09:33I think he thought he was making out like a bandit, getting the $5 million and then also
09:37being able to enter the supplemental draft and then being paid.
09:39And the idea that he's not having any of this, like he went from, he went from riding high
09:44to now all of a sudden in the worst spot imaginable.
09:46Well, and part of the problem too, Jay, it doesn't feel like he's remorseful at all.
09:50Like it just feels like he's trying to find a shortcut at every turn.
09:53And I think that's what the NFL wants him to do.
09:55So if you go out and you just work it on your own and you sort of prove you had
09:57this sabbatical
09:58year from football where you learned all these great life lessons.
10:01And your agent could keep going out talking about how much you go to church or whatever
10:03the hell he did.
10:04Like, fine.
10:05Go do that.
10:06Like, I think that's probably better for him at this point than trying to like squeeze
10:09his way onto some team that really won't matter in the significance of any of this.
10:13He'll be genuflecting at the altar of Roger Goodell soon enough.
10:16You want him to be sorry and remorseful?
10:18He'll be, he'll be, I promise you he'll get there.
10:20He'll be, he'll be, he'll be, he'll be, he'll be, he'll be, he'll be, he'll be, he'll be, he'll be.
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