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00:00This is Straight Outta Flushing, brought to you by your local Ford stores.
00:04Ford F-150 is the official truck of the New York Mets.
00:09Welcome back to another edition of Straight Outta Flushing.
00:12It's your boy Dexter Henry alongside my guy, Tyler Ward.
00:17Tyler, how you doing, my friend?
00:19Dex, next fever is still in the air.
00:21We're about a week or so removed from the championship.
00:24We're feeling great.
00:25You know, there's a lot of things to be feeling worse about.
00:27That we'll get into here in the next 30 seconds to a minute.
00:29But all in all, I'm doing okay.
00:31I hope you had an awesome Father's Day the way that I know I most certainly did.
00:35So from one New York sports fan dad to another, I hope you had a great time.
00:40I had a great Father's Day, man.
00:42It was good.
00:42Had time with the family.
00:43Got a little lunch.
00:45Saw everybody out in the streets with a lot of blue and orange like yourself.
00:49Please note for people who are listening, Wardy has on a fantastic 2026 NBA champions, Knicks hat.
00:57He's also rocking a matching blue and orange Mets polo.
01:01So he has not completely abandoned the Mets yet, as some of you might be thinking about, which we'll get
01:07into in this episode.
01:09But we're coming to you, yeah, after a fantastic Father's Day weekend, man.
01:13I really had a great one.
01:14I know it was one of your kids' birthdays, so happy birthday to him because you had a lot to
01:19celebrate there as well, too.
01:20So that's beautiful.
01:22Now the Mets, not so beautiful this weekend.
01:27Two and four road trip.
01:28I was out here hoping for four and two.
01:30I don't know why.
01:31We all were hoping for four and two.
01:34And it didn't happen.
01:35And, you know, look, whenever you play your division rival in the Phillies, you want to see if you can
01:40come up.
01:40The Mets, they weren't able to do that.
01:43The Mets in this Phillies series, outside of the Thursday game, which you were at down in the city of
01:47your brotherly love, you were down there for that game.
01:50You saw the offense exploding that one.
01:51Two home runs for Juan Soto.
01:53The rest of the series, the Mets look overmatched.
01:56Let's just keep it a buck.
01:56They looked overmatched here, Wardy.
01:59So when you look at where they are right now, two and four road trip, 34 and 43 record, right?
02:05Did two-part question here.
02:08Did the Phillies series expose, I don't even know if exposed is the right word, because we've been seeing not
02:13good baseball all year long.
02:15Did it expose the Mets' real level of where they are?
02:18And then how far do you think the Mets are right now from actually being taken seriously?
02:23As we are late into June, my friend, how far are the Mets from being taken seriously?
02:29Dex, it's been the same conversation for 90-plus percent of the season, going back to, obviously, late March, okay?
02:35Where are we at this point in the season?
02:36While we're a week removed from July, there are nine games below .500.
02:40And how this matchup won against the Phillies, I thought was very unfortunate.
02:44It did not go the way that I hoped as a fan, but it honestly was a further reality check
02:48as to the difference in a team like the Phillies,
02:51who I've heavily admired, which is a painful thing to say, going back to the first three weeks of the
02:57season,
02:57because the Phillies made a logical move that the New York Mets have not found themselves making.
03:01And that is, of course, parting ways with their active manager, okay?
03:05There's a reason why the Phillies, at the time I was talking right now, are, I believe, 30-16 or
03:10so,
03:10since Di Magnoli came in as their interim manager.
03:14Let's not forget, Dave Dombrowski for the Phillies initially wanted Alex Cora after he was kicked the can from Boston.
03:19Alex said, no, thank you.
03:20I'm going to wait until I become the highest-paid manager in MLB history this offseason, more than likely.
03:25And they settled with Dom Magnoli, very reminiscent of what they did back in 2022,
03:30putting to the side Joe Girardi and having Rob Thompson as their bench coach at the time step up in
03:35that position.
03:36The reason why I emphasize this is because as we go into this series, you know, game one, the New
03:40York Mets obviously take.
03:41It was a nice victory for them.
03:43I was in attendance.
03:43That was the only game that I attended this series doing on-field reporting for Europe Post.
03:47And Juan Soto hit his home runs.
03:49Carson Bench had a great game, and the Mets got the pitching that they needed.
03:51It was very nice to see.
03:53However, what we saw in the next 48 hours' worth of games after that Mets off day,
03:57because the World Cup was a big slice of reality, okay?
04:00It's a New York Mets rotation that we're going to deep dive plenty in today's show
04:04that has been so depleted and battered and beaten.
04:07Not shocked or surprised.
04:09I'm not even terribly disappointed.
04:11This was kind of expected against a Phillies team that they just knew how to hit and approach this Mets
04:16line.
04:16They did that.
04:17Terribly, okay?
04:18When you have Bryce Harper having a cycle throughout the first five innings.
04:21Mind, he's never had one in his career, but it took five innings against the Mets in game two of
04:25this matchup.
04:26Or Schwarber hitting two home runs in the same actual inning to then go on to see them lose game
04:31three this past night
04:32on Sunday Night Baseball because David Pearson was towing the rubber.
04:36We all knew that that was an unfortunate death sentence for this Mets team.
04:40So I think when we really come together and get our collective thoughts as to what is the takeaway?
04:45Did the Phillies really expose the Mets?
04:47They absolutely did.
04:48But they further showed you where the Mets have been this year, and that has been unfortunately not a good
04:53baseball team.
04:54Their roster construction is so unbelievably poor.
04:56Their offense, while we have levels of optimism with the eventual return of Francisco Lindor this week, that we'll talk
05:02about how far can that optimism take you when you have a rotation that continues to absolutely be being embattered.
05:09And when the rotation isn't like that, Dex, we take a look at the Mets' offensive numbers.
05:13And with the exception of Juan Soto being Juan Soto and the young players doing their thing, and, you know,
05:19up until this past series, Boba Shep finally heating up,
05:22the Mets have had one of the worst offensive, if not the worst offensive, Major League Baseball.
05:27So it's not just one thing, Dex.
05:29It's a cultivation of things that we've talked about all season long.
05:32So to throw it back to you, to see the Mets get absolutely, again, just thrown around silly in Philly
05:40by the Phillies like this,
05:41is this a further reality check for you?
05:44Is this what you expected?
05:46And as we move forward now, how do you think the Mets should be operating?
05:51Do you think that they're going to change their mentality and their level of operation?
05:55Because they've been so complacent on being in what I believe and many believe to be incompetent to this point.
06:02Ooh, incompetence.
06:04We're at that point with this word for the Mets.
06:08Did this series expose the Mets?
06:11Yeah, you can't.
06:12I mean, but expose sounds like it revealed something that you didn't already know to some degree.
06:19But I guess if you were, look, let's just bring it back for the fans here.
06:24The last couple of weeks, you and I have talked about, okay, if they're going to get this going, this
06:30is the time.
06:31They've got to get something done by the end of June.
06:34We are now recording this on June 22nd.
06:38I have no reason to believe, based on what we've seen, that the Mets can't get this done.
06:42Right?
06:43No reason at all whatsoever to believe that the Mets can get this done.
06:46By getting this done, I mean winning some games, putting together a streak of games.
06:50We can't even see them win series right now against good competition.
06:56So what gives you the hope that this is going to turn around?
07:00Now you asked me, are they going to operate differently?
07:03Well, that is the million-dollar question, my friend.
07:06That is the million-dollar question.
07:07It's like the $400 million question, really, if you think about it.
07:11A million is too small for Steve Cohen's pockets.
07:13We know that here.
07:17Look, again, what do I have to believe that?
07:20What do I have to believe that the Mets will operate differently here, do something to shake things up?
07:27I'll give you all the credit.
07:28You said this, I think, three-ish, three-and-a-half-ish weeks into the season.
07:33You're like, look, they've got to make a change.
07:35They've got to shake some things up.
07:37They've got to let go of this manager.
07:38And I still will contend, and I don't think this was your point.
07:41I remember it at the time.
07:42We're not saying that this is all the fault of Carlos Mendoza, but sometimes, pardon my language here, you need
07:52a kick in the ass.
07:54Sometimes a team can need that.
07:55Look at what it's done for the Phillies.
07:57And I'm not saying because it worked for the Phillies it absolutely was going to work for the Mets.
08:01But at some point, you have to try something.
08:04What's the definition of insanity?
08:06Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, right?
08:11Like, this is not what you want right here at this time.
08:16And I saw, I don't think he'll mind me saying this, I ran into a friend of the show, WFN
08:22host Evan Roberts, the other day.
08:24Shout out.
08:25At the Knicks Championship Parade.
08:26Shout out to Evan.
08:27And we had a little conversation about the Mets.
08:30And Evan, I was like, Evan, do you think there's any way they could turn this around?
08:33And Evan just looked at me and was like, no.
08:36No.
08:36He's like, I don't see it, Dex.
08:38I don't see it.
08:39And I feel the same way.
08:40He was like, I just don't see this team stringing enough wins together.
08:44And I just don't see it because everything is a mess.
08:47We're talking about the hitting, which hasn't been good enough for this team this season.
08:51They rank at the bottom of baseball in almost every batting statistic, right?
08:56Even your advanced statistics.
08:58They're terrible.
08:59Now, we're going to get into this in a second.
09:01The pitching is a mess.
09:04The bullpen is fantastic.
09:06It's been great.
09:07But what does it matter if you can't give your bullpen a lead?
09:10It doesn't mean a damn thing.
09:12So everything doesn't match.
09:16And again, do I think...
09:21I'll hold this for later because I want to bring David Stearns into this too.
09:24Because I've seen some talk about that.
09:26Put a pin in that, folks.
09:28But to answer your question, no.
09:31Sometimes you have to look at a team and say, they've shown you who they are.
09:35And I'm a very patient guy.
09:38I'm very patient.
09:38Long more patient than me, Dex.
09:40You were given a lot more of a leash here than I was.
09:42And I was just like, I've seen more than enough, okay?
09:45And I'm usually not the reactionist like two to three weeks in the season to think that what's happening is
09:51the end-all be-all.
09:51I usually do my best to be a reactionist as an optimist, not a pessimist.
09:55So to see me like that, you know there's a problem.
09:58Like that early in the year.
10:00You know what I mean?
10:01So for you, I commend you for staying afloat as long as you have.
10:06But again, even for you, there reaches a point where it's like, okay, this is too much.
10:12This has been too bad for too long.
10:13Yeah, I was willing to give them, I was willing to give them to the end of this month.
10:18I was pretty much like, this is not a serious team at the end of May.
10:22And this is still where I land.
10:23The Mets are not a serious team.
10:25They're not a serious team right now.
10:27They are not a good baseball team.
10:29The record, you are what your record is.
10:31They are nine games below 500.
10:33They'll get down to seven.
10:35You'll start saying, ah, maybe they could turn the corner.
10:37And then what happens?
10:39They'll lose another two or three.
10:40Then they'll win four.
10:41Then they'll lose another.
10:43Not a serious baseball team.
10:45Not a serious baseball team at all.
10:47Now, part of the reason they're not serious is something I just mentioned, Wardy.
10:51Look, you talked about it in the Philly series.
10:53David Peterson.
10:56You said you knew the game.
10:58You knew it was a wrap when you heard he was starting on Sunday.
11:02That's, you see that right there?
11:03That right there?
11:05That's how you know it's not a serious baseball team.
11:07Because as soon as you heard someone was starting, Wardy said, ah, I'm not going to let this ruin my
11:12father's.
11:13I can't do that.
11:14But it's not even like a dramatic reaction to have, Dex.
11:17That's the worst part.
11:18That further proves.
11:19It's a fair reaction.
11:21Because, you know, there are a lot of fan reactions when you see, like, actually a good player go up
11:25to the plate or they're on the mound.
11:27And you just have your Frank the tanks of the world that are just going to rag on him no
11:30matter what.
11:31You know, like, regardless of him maybe being the best thing since Sion, it doesn't matter.
11:35Fans are going to have a certain opinion.
11:36There's going to be the internal pessimist.
11:39But statistically, for the past calendar year, David Peterson has been the worst starter in Major League Baseball.
11:46I don't know why this is even up for debate or for continued conversation that we're allowing this man to
11:53be put in positions to not have success the way that the Mets are continuing to do.
11:58They will justify it by saying that, oh, it's because how depleted our rotation is right now.
12:03Oh, we need everyone to step up.
12:05I hear you and I get that.
12:06But, my God, it's been a counter year of literally the exact same result of how he's going to look
12:11as a starter.
12:12He's always looked better as a multi-annual reliever throughout this stretch.
12:16Why are you trying to push this, let alone in a band box in Philly, against your rivals who know
12:21a thing or two about hitting the baseball ballpark?
12:23It's so frustrating to talk about because it makes us look like we're the crazy ones.
12:30But I know we're not, Dex.
12:31I know we're not.
12:34Can I say something there?
12:35Because I'm wondering if this is what's happening.
12:37Because you're saying why are you still putting him out there, which I think is more than a fair question.
12:42How much of this do you think is the Mets organization saying, hey, we saw half of the end of
12:482024 where he was really good.
12:51And the start of 2025 where he's really good.
12:54And we're just hoping, and I'm not saying this is a recipe for success, Wardy.
12:57But they're looking at this and like, we're hoping he can recapture some of that magic that we once saw
13:02before.
13:03Now, I don't think that's a plan, just to be clear.
13:05I don't.
13:06But do you think his past performance is affecting the decision making around what he can do for you present
13:13day?
13:15Absolutely.
13:15It goes in hand.
13:16Because I'm sure there is a level of the Mets that, even though I'm sure it's not a lot right
13:20now, do have that sliver of optimism that this guy was nails for us for a calendar year.
13:25When he returned from hip surgery for June 2024 to June 2025, there was no one better in this Mets
13:31rotation.
13:31There was no one that was going deeper.
13:33There was no one that was bringing more sustainability to said rotation.
13:36And, yes, I'm sure the team, to a degree, is still clinging on to that.
13:40And it is going to be, like in many other cases for the New York Mets, when they cling on
13:45to past success versus present to their detriment.
13:48And it's very frustrating.
13:50It's like a toxic relationship.
13:51It's like you've been toxic with someone for the past little calendar year, year and a half.
13:56Nothing's been going right.
13:57But, oh, you're still clinging on to those great first memories that you had the first couple months or something
14:01when you're in the honeymoon stage.
14:03It's like, no, this is what it is.
14:04Stop trying to think that it's going to be different.
14:07No, you've got to move forward.
14:09Go your separate path.
14:10So for the New York Mets, that separate path will be either A, trading or B, DFA-ing by the
14:15time that we're talking a calendar month from now, if not sooner.
14:18So this is something that I was stating heading into this season, Dex, because as many of you know, the
14:23Mets had a lot of starters in trade talks this offseason.
14:27Now, did those trade talks vary?
14:29Of course.
14:29But from Kodai Senga to David Pearson to the whispers of Shamanaya, not as much to get rid of him
14:36because that contract is difficult to part ways with, but whispers as to what you're going to get out of
14:40him because of the bone spurs in his elbow and this and that.
14:43Now he's finally showing velocity.
14:45That's great.
14:45It took half a season, but, you know, we're finally there, I guess.
14:48So when you have the other two in Senga and Peterson, guys that you should have traded heading into the
14:53year, the problem that I have is you need to trade at least one of them.
14:56Okay.
14:57And the Mets stubbornly said no to that because they weren't satisfied with the packages bestowed upon them.
15:02Well, they're not going to be satisfied now because the value is going to be a whole lot lower.
15:06And the same conversation can be had to a degree with someone like Mark Vientos or Brett Beatty, guys who
15:11have been fringe players on this team that you could justify them not being on the roster.
15:14But the Mets are going to play them until they're so in the ground where you're going to be lucky
15:19to get, you know, a fraction of what you're initially hoping to get see a counter year ago for him.
15:24You know, it just teams have a tendency to do this where they overplay their hand with player value.
15:28And a lot of it has to do with the fact that they are hopeful that those players can increase
15:33their value internally.
15:35So that way they can justify keeping them.
15:37It's more so it's a bad look for a team when you have a lot of things go awry with
15:41players that you're keeping because it makes you look worse and worse.
15:44That your decision is not right.
15:45There's a part of them that clings on to the idea that we want to prove ourselves right.
15:49We don't want to prove everyone else right.
15:51You know, we want to be the ones to say, hey, we know what we're doing here.
15:54But the fact of the matter is, is that we're talking on June 22nd right now, 2026, and everything that
16:00the Mets have been relaying and how they've been operating has not equated to success.
16:04And all the dollars that Steve Cohen has continued to throw has not at all hit the ROI instead of
16:10having a $400 million payroll, where maybe you're hoping to get, I don't know, $300 million value out of that.
16:16The Mets are getting a negative value in return.
16:20It's genuinely baffling as to how we've gotten here.
16:23But at the same time, if you just take a moment to really process it and think about the multiple
16:27weeks to months and how we've gotten here, it all makes logical sense.
16:31It just, to your point, it's insane that we're doing this cycle and continuing to act as if everything's okay
16:38when it most certainly isn't.
16:39But it is not.
16:40You mentioned two options for David Peterson.
16:44You were like, look, either they got to try to trade him now, which let's just keep it a buck,
16:48is going to be extremely low value.
16:50And he's a rental.
16:52So, like, he ideally should be, you know, a guy that a team would want.
16:56But when he's performing to a 6.090 array right now, not the most ideal player.
17:02You might get a low-level prospect back for him, maybe, at this point, right?
17:06I don't see much higher than that.
17:11DFA-ing him is definitely an option.
17:12He's not helping his team win.
17:14Maybe you can bring up younger arms that can help this team win or at least see what they're about,
17:19which is probably what we'll get to this.
17:22We're not there yet, but we're close.
17:23We're knocking on the door, folks, to what the rest of the season might be about.
17:27Let me ask you about one more guy.
17:30Freddie Peralta.
17:32We haven't even talked about Freddie yet.
17:34We're almost 20 minutes in.
17:35I can't believe we haven't even talked about him.
17:37That's crazy.
17:37Here we go.
17:38Here we go.
17:39Look.
17:41He's not been good.
17:43Let's just –
17:44You don't say Dex.
17:46Yeah, let's just –
17:47He's not been good.
17:49I think the hope was for some in the fan base, if the Mets stayed somewhat close to 500,
17:57if they stayed within, let's say, four or five games of that third wildcard spot.
18:03And we got to the end of July and we realized that, okay, maybe this team doesn't have it, although
18:10I think it's fair for you to realize that right now.
18:14Freddie Peralta could have been the kind of guy that you said could have been a trade chip for this
18:19team.
18:19You could try to sell him, sell high on him, and still possibly bring him back in the offseason if
18:25he wanted to come back to the Mets.
18:26This is a real possibility.
18:27But now, with the way he's pitching, he's not giving you length, which was always a concern, and he's giving
18:34up runs.
18:34When he gave up a career-high 10 earned runs in his last start, this value is not high again.
18:42Who are the Mets trading in their pitching rotation that's got any value?
18:46Who?
18:48That realistically they could trade.
18:50Don't say like Nolan McClain, who's got value.
18:53They realistically could trade.
18:54Literally no one.
18:55Like, no one of value of significance.
18:57Let's put it that way.
18:58Right, value of significance.
18:59There's nobody here.
19:01No man's land at the moment.
19:02If things keep going south, not just for the Mets, Wardy, but also for Freddy Peralta, can he be a
19:11trade chip?
19:12Because he's going to be.
19:14Whether we like it or not, he's going to be.
19:16The shame is that you traded at the time two of your higher-level prospects in Jet Williams and Brandon
19:23Spro,
19:23who, granted, have not blossomed much for Milwaukee at this point.
19:27But, you know, that's like saying that, oh, the Mets won the trade with parting ways of PCA right away
19:33because PCA didn't do well his first year.
19:35Like, give it time.
19:36You know, we'll see how this marinates.
19:39I think my big takeaway about this entire situation is that the Mets have just unfortunately put themselves in a
19:47position with Freddy where they didn't extend him.
19:50They understood why they didn't extend him because they want things to play out a bit.
19:53And it's a justified reason as to why they didn't want to, obviously, in hindsight, looking right now.
19:57But for Freddy to go from having a six-inning, six-earned-run outing the last time he was out
20:02there to then getting so decimated.
20:05Again, we know the Phillies have a very powerful lineup.
20:08But to get decimated where you're missing no bats whatsoever, you're putting up a triple-double of a line as
20:14a starter with 10 hits, 10 runs, 10-earned-runs.
20:16Like, actually insane.
20:18Okay?
20:18Across like nine and three.
20:19The kind of triple-double you don't want.
20:20You know it's bad when Sean Minaya has a lower ERA this year now than Freddy Peralta.
20:25Like, we're actually having that conversation.
20:28So when we talk trade value for a player like Freddy, I do think that there is still value for
20:33him because I think teams will buy into the fact that this has just been a tough first half for
20:37him on a new team.
20:38But maybe going back to, say, a smaller market could benefit him, among other things.
20:42Teams will think in that manner.
20:43But teams are also going to benefit by the lack of value that Peralta currently carries.
20:48So for the Mets, they are not in a good position right now because, one, they're not completely out of
20:55the woods.
20:55Even though it feels like they are.
20:56But they're not completely out of the woods for David Stern to finally say, okay, like, we're selling.
21:01This is what's happening.
21:03You know, they have not gotten to that point yet.
21:06But now, while they've been waiting throughout this process to see how things are going to play out,
21:11now you look at their starter options.
21:13Guys that they were contemplating on potentially trading, like a Freddy Peralta, like a Kodai Senga, like a David Pearson.
21:21I mean, even like a Clay Holmes.
21:23What do all these guys have in common?
21:24They're either not available because they're hurt or they're not playing good.
21:27Wow.
21:28It's almost like this is exactly what happened with the Mets rotation last year, Dexter, a counter year ago.
21:34It's almost like you've seen this movie before.
21:36It's almost like we've been talking about the exact same thing for a literal year straight.
21:40So, to throw this back to you, Dex, to really paint a picture as to how much this rotation is
21:47a detriment to the club,
21:48which the offense has its own issues, okay?
21:50So, we're not here to nitpick just the rotation.
21:53We're just emphasizing the woes of the rotation, okay?
21:56In the first three innings of games this season, Mets pitchers have a 5.45-year array.
22:01That is the second worst in baseball, only trailing the Colorado Rockies.
22:04From the fourth inning onward, they have a 3.4-year array, second best in baseball, only trailing the Braves.
22:10So, one thing is true.
22:12The Mets bullpen absolutely nails us here.
22:14A.J. Minter looks like kind of prime A.J. Minter right now, which is great.
22:18Brooks Reilly's doing his same.
22:19Devin Williams has been more than okay for the most part.
22:22Luke Weaver still hasn't allowed a run, I believe, since May 1st, which is magical.
22:26It's almost two months.
22:27He's been awesome.
22:28Maybe he gave up one since then, but he's been great for the most part.
22:31He's been great.
22:32Brazaban, awesome.
22:34Bullpen, nails.
22:36Rotation, absolutely holding this team back.
22:38100%.
22:39And the issue that this team now has, now, Dexter, going back to you, is you go from last year,
22:44where you had offensive upside in your first two months of the year.
22:48You struggled mightily then with runners and scoring position throughout as you got in the second half.
22:52But you still had aspects of your lineup that made you believe that maybe you could get something going.
22:56This year, the Mets have slivers of success with their lineup.
23:01They're getting reinforcements, yes.
23:03But it's already coming what very well could be argued as too little too late when a rotation is in
23:08such a similar position as they were a calendar year ago.
23:11The Mets were never going to be able to get far last year because of the rotation, for one, and
23:16two, not having the clutch gene.
23:17There's so many similarities from last year to this year with a different roster build because it's different yet the
23:24same in a lot of the wrong ways.
23:26So what's your thoughts on all of that now as to where we sit with the Mets this season?
23:31My thoughts are, you know, when you said in the – well, not the offseason, but yeah, I guess it
23:39was spring training.
23:40We were having these conversations.
23:42You said you thought they should have been – you kind of alluded to this before in this episode,
23:46that they should have been more aggressive in maybe trying to trade in one of their arms to try to
23:51restock and get some depth,
23:54maybe re-change how the rotation looks.
23:56Yeah, part ways with at least one of the guys he got and bring in someone new, not named Peralta.
24:01I thought that made a logical sense.
24:03Right.
24:03Right.
24:04Should have had some – now, one of the guys we mentioned was Kodai Senga.
24:09And I bring him up because if folks remember when before – maybe a couple weeks before the season started,
24:16Wardy and I did our episode on – this is when we were full of hope.
24:22Spring was eternal.
24:24Hope sprung eternal for us.
24:25Yeah, those were the good old days.
24:27And you and I talked about – now looking back, it feels stupid because we were like,
24:32if this guy could do this, this would be dope for this team.
24:37Kodai Senga was one of those guys that I thought could be a real exit factor for this team, right?
24:42He is not.
24:43There are way too many ifs in the rotation.
24:46If even Freddy Peralta could give you innings.
24:50But now it's not even the innings.
24:51He's not getting guys out.
24:53When you look at the numbers you told me, the first three innings, it's almost a six ERA.
24:58I think it was 545 was the number you have.
25:01That is telling you you're putting your team behind the eight ball.
25:06The offense, which already has been putrid and wildly inconsistent, you're now then asking them to come back for you.
25:14You're setting them up for failure constantly.
25:16You're setting up for failure.
25:17Imagine if you had – hell, if the ERA in the first three innings was four or even three-five.
25:26Three-five would be great.
25:27That's what they're doing in the middle innings.
25:28But some of that is because the bullpen is coming in and relieving them.
25:31That would be amazing.
25:32You'd be giving yourself a chance.
25:34What that number tells you is this team doesn't have a chance to start these games.
25:38Nobody can hit.
25:39The pitching is not giving them a chance.
25:40They're not keeping them in games.
25:42I know these are things that baseball fans have heard time and time again.
25:46What has to happen is – to give you my full thoughts on this, this is the word you used.
25:52I believe – I don't really want to say that you said radical, my friend, but you have to start
25:58saying at some point, this rotation that we're looking at today on June 22nd, it doesn't work.
26:06It doesn't work.
26:08And if you're putting out a payroll that high and you're expecting fans to show up at Citi Field, you
26:14can't run these guys out there.
26:16Who in the Mets rotation outside of Nolan McClain and now Christian Scott, who's been solid, right, coming back?
26:24He's been solid.
26:25He's had his ups and downs, but he's been okay.
26:27Outside of those two guys, is there anybody that you are watching that makes you even excited to see them
26:34take the mound on game day?
26:36Anyone.
26:37That just gives you – oh, man, because I'll tell you what.
26:40David Peterson is coming to the mound, and Wardy says, oh, they can't win today.
26:45Sean Mania goes to the mound, and Wardy, you're like, well, will his velocity still hold up in the way
26:50we've seen the last couple of weeks?
26:52Kodai Senna comes to the mound.
26:56I don't even know what to say about that.
26:58You know there's going to be walks.
27:00You know that there's going to be pitches hung over the plate.
27:02He might settle down a little bit, but it's going to be after he gave up at least two or
27:06three runs in the first two innings.
27:07I miss Klay Holmes so much.
27:11It's not funny.
27:12You're speaking my language.
27:13That was the only thing I was thinking of the whole time.
27:14You're like, what's one starter?
27:16I'm like, it's Klay, but Klay's not back yet.
27:18He doesn't even start pitching until July.
27:20I'm not even saying Klay Holmes is like the most exciting pitcher out there, but at least the way he
27:26had pitched and gave you innings last year and competed right, and you looked at the way he started off
27:30this year, you're like, man, that was a really good signing.
27:32He's a bulldog.
27:33He's shown his worth, especially for the contract he's on.
27:37He's literally on probably right now one of the best contracts in Major League Baseball for his starter from a
27:43student friendly standpoint.
27:44He's only making like 10 mil a year on a multi-year deal.
27:46It's a great contract.
27:48It's crazy.
27:48It's been great value, but the value word is what we're talking about.
27:52This whole episode, right?
27:55I'm not sure for some people, I don't want to tell you, there's value in watching us.
27:58I understand why there might not be value for you in watching the Mets right now because you don't have
28:03players right now to even have value.
28:05We're talking about guys who are like, I don't know what the Mets can get for them.
28:08I don't know what the Mets can get for Freddy Peralta.
28:11And for everybody watching, Wardy's just trying to get his focus right.
28:13Yeah, don't worry about me.
28:14He's not trying to show you that the Knicks are NBA champions, which you all know.
28:17I mean, I should.
28:18This is more important than the Mets right now anyways.
28:20But what's the value?
28:22There's so many issues.
28:24And I guess that'll transition us to the next thing I wanted to ask you, Wardy, because...
28:31Let's keep rocking.
28:32We'll figure it out.
28:33We'll figure it out.
28:35Francis Golden Door is getting close.
28:36There's a chance he can return this week.
28:38Yep.
28:38Should have a simulated game today at Citi Field recording this on Monday.
28:43Correct.
28:43And then I believe he has an off day Tuesday then.
28:45Tuesday.
28:46And he could return as soon as Wednesday.
28:48So we could see him Wednesday against the Phillies.
28:49Obviously, weather is a factor in all this and what the games will be this week if this is the
28:53fall goal as well.
28:55But here's the thing.
28:57Some Mets fans out there are going to say, hey, Lindor's coming back.
29:01We got our guy back.
29:02Heck, he's going to spark this team.
29:05I'm not saying all of you out there sound like that, but that's the voice of excitement and hope.
29:10Can one player change the direction?
29:12Can Francisco Lindor change the direction of this team when they have this many issues?
29:16We just went through all the issues.
29:19Can Francisco Lindor really change the direction of this team that's got so many issues right now, Wardy?
29:24So it's a good question because there's an argument to be had both ways.
29:29So let's break it both down.
29:31And how this can work and how it can.
29:33Let's start with how it can.
29:35And that's where the recency bias comes in.
29:37But this goes back to something that you can't bank on as a certainty.
29:40So I think it's more of an anomaly.
29:42Francisco Lindor had a MVP caliber season for the Mets in 2024.
29:46I mean, we're looking at roughly eight or of a player, which is insane for his talent, especially.
29:54From, I want to say, around May 20-ish to May 25th time, maybe just before the Mets were in
30:01Miami in 2024, they were still beaded and battered, still well below league average.
30:07I think they were north of 10 games, below 500 still, if not worse.
30:10And they moved Francisco Lindor to the leadoff spot and take Nimmo out of the leadoff spot.
30:15This is the first time Lindor had been in that spot since his time in Cleveland.
30:19Everything changed from there.
30:20The comfortability for Lindor changed, and it was a trickle-down effect on the rest of the Mets lab.
30:25It made them deeper, and they were vibrant, and they were just riding high in the vibes that, oh, we
30:30don't really have much of an expectation now, so let's go out and prove everyone wrong kind of thing.
30:34That was great.
30:35And Lindor's leadership that year reigned true, because without him, the Mets get nowhere close to the NLCS game six
30:41against the Dodgers.
30:42Not a chance in hell.
30:43So, bearing that in mind, that's where I think you can have the optimistic point of view that it's hard
30:49to see one player really rejuvenize a team, but it most certainly can happen the same way that a manager,
30:56a new voice in a clubhouse, can absolutely rejuvenize a team with all the same players.
31:01So, the idea of adding your top talent back in your lineup, back in the core of your top four,
31:06and knowing the leadership qualities he brings, and the defense, as long as he just doesn't look like a deer
31:12in headlights, which he did the first two and a half, three weeks this year, where he genuinely lost all
31:17of his fundamental play, from the base running to the defense.
31:20It was just so bizarre to see Lindor out of his element like that.
31:24He seems like he's not in that manner anymore.
31:26Hopefully that continues.
31:27So, that's the optimistic point of view.
31:28Now, let's get into the realistic point of view.
31:30And they're not even pessimistic, just the realistic one.
31:33And that's that there are too many holes in this Mets roster to look at Francisco Lindor to even try
31:39to put on his shoulders that he needs to come in and be the guy for this team.
31:42Because, one, he has so much pressure on his shoulders as is.
31:45The media goes in on Lindor in ways that they will not even get close to pushing Bo Bichette, regardless
31:50of Bo making $42 million gross this year, right?
31:53You know, Lindor is viewed as the face of the team, so he needs to take it to the chin
31:58when things are going most certainly bad.
32:00And that's been a lot of his time here.
32:01So, I think between Lindor coming back and looking good, but maybe not letting the world on fire right away,
32:07paired with the rotation that he can't control because he can't go out there and throw, even though maybe he
32:12would be a better option than David Pearson, depending on the day.
32:15The point here is that I don't see a logical route, currently speaking, where Lindor returning is going to be
32:22enough of a needle mover.
32:23Can he factor?
32:25Absolutely.
32:25And he could be a big factor behind that.
32:27But it's going to take so much more than just Francisco Lindor for this team to get where they need
32:32to be this season.
32:32He can lead the pack.
32:34He can help Juan Soto and be the leaders of the charge.
32:37But it's going to come down to them coming together, either building something that goes beyond baseball, kind of like
32:43what they had with Iglesias a couple years ago, or actually having a change in direction because players are stepping
32:49up or David Stearns is finally losing the complacency at being proactive, maybe after getting some slivers of success with
32:56a red hot Lindor coming back at an offense that's finally showing life that they haven't done so much throughout
33:01the year.
33:02What's your what's your thoughts on that?
33:04Yeah, I want I 100% agree with you on the latter part, right?
33:08I'm not going to be super optimist.
33:10It's like Lindor is going to come back.
33:11There's just too many holes.
33:12And unless you tell me Francisco Lindor turns into Shohei Ohtani, right?
33:18A two way player.
33:18Wouldn't that be something?
33:19Because my thing is like, can Lindor pitch?
33:22Can he pitch?
33:23Can he replace David Peterson in a rotation?
33:25And then maybe I'll start believing in that.
33:28No, do I think he can spark the lineup?
33:30Sure.
33:30Can he impact?
33:31He's absolutely can have an impact on the team.
33:33There's no doubt.
33:34I think his leadership in the clubhouse is going to be valuable.
33:40But let's let's say Lindor comes back and the Mets really start hitting where we're like, oh, man, this looks
33:45it's pretty good towards the end of June.
33:48Well, what's that pitching looking like?
33:50Are these is there still a 545 ERA in the first three innings of games?
33:54If that's happening, I don't care how good Francisco Lindor is.
33:59It's not going to matter.
34:00Right.
34:01So there's just too many holes.
34:03I think it would be nice to see the offense have some more life.
34:06I think that can be good.
34:08I do think his presence back means a lot.
34:11He means a lot to this team.
34:12As you know, notice the face of the franchise.
34:15But there are so many more problems bigger than him on this team.
34:19So many more problems bigger than him on this team.
34:21So I hope I'm wrong.
34:23I hope that he comes back and all of a sudden David Peterson looks like Cy Young.
34:28I hope that happens.
34:29I wouldn't bank on that.
34:30But listen, I think he can help the team for sure.
34:34Spark a major turnaround.
34:36A lot of other things have to change, too, besides Francisco Lindor coming back.
34:41But you use the word talking about the team that you've been using all season long.
34:47I had the wrong C word before.
34:49It's complacency.
34:50Right.
34:51And then we also have the.
34:52There's a lot of different C words out there, too.
34:54Yes, they are.
34:55I had to.
34:56You had to be clear on that.
34:57Yeah.
34:57Well, a lot of C words you could have been harsher at on that.
35:02But the Mets are nine games under 500.
35:05If you're a fan that just wants to blame this on injuries, you can't do that.
35:11It's so much like we just said, there's so much more than this.
35:14Right, Wardy?
35:17I want to do an accountability check of where we are.
35:20I think it's time for us to do some accountability checking.
35:22Next, it's time we hold ourselves accountable at this point because no one else is doing it.
35:26Well, my parents would say, yeah, if you're not going to hold yourself accountable, who else will?
35:32Right.
35:35Again, I've heard a lot of things.
35:37I've seen a lot of discussion.
35:38I've seen it on Mets Twitter.
35:40You know, is it just that Carlos Mendoza is managing a flawed roster, which then sounds like you're putting some
35:46blame on David Stearns?
35:48Is it a team that's just playing below a level that demands managerial scrutiny?
35:54Right.
35:56What is it?
35:57Is it Stearns?
35:58Is it Mendoza?
35:59Is it the players?
36:02I feel like the easy answer for a lot of people is all of the above.
36:06I will say this before you go.
36:09I don't love the idea.
36:12I'm not saying none of this falls on David Stearns.
36:14I want to be very clear about that.
36:16I don't like the idea of laying this all at the feet of David Stearns.
36:20I think this is year one of David Stearns finally having his roster.
36:25It's not looking good, folks.
36:28We can.
36:28It's not looking good.
36:29This is the most hands-on David Stearns has ever been in a roster build.
36:33Right.
36:33That's not a result currently.
36:34I want to say this.
36:37Somebody also hosts the Knicks show on this New York Post Sports YouTube channel, and
36:41Wardy's here wearing a hat.
36:44You have to be patient with roster building.
36:47I understand people don't have that all the time.
36:50You have to give this man a chance to have his roster and time to build and shape his roster
36:56in the way he wants.
36:58It wasn't just all going to happen this year.
37:00That doesn't mean this year is not disappointing.
37:02That's not what I'm saying.
37:04I'm just saying you have to give him some time.
37:06So there's some people like, get David Stearns out of here.
37:08This is a failure.
37:09I'm not willing to go there.
37:12Again, not saying there aren't moves he could have made that should have been, to Wardy's
37:17word, more proactive and lacking the complacency.
37:21I think two things can be true.
37:23Right.
37:25Where I am with Wardy, that I was not three and a half weeks into the season.
37:29And I'm also not blaming it all at this person.
37:33It's Carlos Mendelsohn.
37:35Sometimes you got to look around at something and say, hey, you know what?
37:41We got to make a change here.
37:43It might not even be you.
37:45It might not be that the guys aren't listening.
37:47We just need a new voice.
37:48We got to do something different around here because we're not going to change the president
37:53of baseball operations who exactly who finally just got his team somewhat in the way he likes,
37:59not fully somewhat.
38:01We're not going to get rid of him.
38:02But you, this is now year three.
38:05And there's one playoff appearance, one trip to the NLCS.
38:09And it appears as though this franchise is regressing.
38:14Right?
38:16Because what we're struggling in this whole conversation of this episode,
38:22what we're struggling to find, Wardy,
38:25where is the value?
38:27And where is the hope?
38:30I don't know.
38:31But what I do think is, yes, this is on players.
38:35Players are accountable.
38:37Players have to execute.
38:39But this is also, I think, where time where you might have to say,
38:45time for a new voice.
38:47And the manager, time for a new voice.
38:50I'm sorry I came around to this late.
38:52I apologize.
38:53Better late than never.
38:55Certainly better than David Stearns and how he's been operating at this point.
38:57Again, I know I just said accountability check,
39:00and I'm not putting this all at the feet of Carl's Mendoza.
39:03I don't think he forgot how to manage.
39:05I don't think he's a bad manager.
39:06That's not what I'm saying.
39:07Because sometimes you need a new voice.
39:09And I brought up, look at the Knicks.
39:11Because look what the Knicks did when they got a new voice.
39:13I'm not saying that they changed the coach and manager.
39:16They go to win the World Series.
39:17I'm not saying that.
39:19I'm just saying everything is a process.
39:21That's the point I'm making.
39:22And sometimes in the process of team development,
39:25there has to be accountability.
39:28Lack of complacency.
39:31Proactiveness.
39:32All those things have to combine towards winning the championship,
39:35and the Mets have to start taking those steps
39:37if they want to get to where they want to go.
39:38Sorry for my TED Talk, but there you go.
39:40No, it's about time we get a next TED Talk.
39:42I like that.
39:43And I especially appreciate the fact that we've now had a very reminiscent,
39:48if not to a T conversation,
39:50on the Mets managerial status.
39:52So it feels like more often than not for the past,
39:54you know, north of two months now.
39:55And the reason why this drum is going to continue to get beaten
39:58is because it needs to make sure it doesn't hit deaf ears, okay,
40:02because it has to this point.
40:03And it's baffling that it has to this point.
40:06The comfortability aspect with this organization is truly beyond words
40:10or anything of comprehension and how they have been going about this
40:14when there are just so many logical reasons to make change
40:18instead of going down the illogical route,
40:20which they've continued to choose, which is acting insane.
40:23You know, where is that reflection of looking in the mirror
40:26and realizing that, okay, this is not going to work the way that I want it to.
40:30And, you know, I can commend David Stern saying, you know,
40:33like I love going to work with Mendy every day, this and that and the third.
40:37But I'm like, all right, David.
40:38But at the same time, your poor roster builds and direct hand
40:41as to why you're now being asked every time you're at a presser,
40:45are you going to fire your manager or not?
40:47You know, it starts with you.
40:48It's not just the fact that you hired a first-time manager
40:52where there was question marks to begin with.
40:54It's the fact that you built a roster for him
40:55in which he has no clue how to now properly navigate and direct him
40:59because of the lack of certainty that comes with health
41:01and consistencies of these players.
41:03It starts with you.
41:04So I'm sorry if you get fed up by it, but if I'm being transparent,
41:07I don't think any fan talking at a reporter on this planet
41:10really give a rat to you-know-what about,
41:12oh, you enjoy going to work with this man every single day.
41:15Okay? It doesn't matter.
41:16The reality is that this is a results-oriented business.
41:19And in this market, you need to take advantage of what is given you.
41:24The fact that David Stearns is in his position that he's in,
41:27so many people would long for it's not an easy position to be in.
41:30But this is a big deal to be the president of the New York Mets
41:33in this market, especially for him who grew up in Manhattan as a Mets fan.
41:37This should be a full-circle moment,
41:38and it feels like we're watching in real time someone not know how to adjust
41:41on the fly to handling this market,
41:44something that should have been contrary to what we initially were believing
41:47and thinking when you, again, had a fellow New Yorker,
41:51diehard Mets fan, actually come into the fold like Steve Cohen is as owner.
41:56We've always longed and have hoped that this could be an amazing
41:59one-two punch of a tandem.
42:01And there is a world where that can still be a reality.
42:03I just don't know how much more time we have left in order for that world
42:08to become said reality before there's so much pushback that, you know,
42:12there's no point of return, basically.
42:15So when we talk about no point of return, Dex,
42:17this gets into my final thing with you, and then let's get out of here
42:20because I don't think we touched on it enough,
42:22is who will be returning for the New York Mets?
42:25Who will be parted with?
42:26What is the status of this team now?
42:28Are we going full buy?
42:30Are we going full sell?
42:31Are we trapped in between?
42:32We've seesawed about this over the past month or so now.
42:36I told you how I felt, so let's start here with you.
42:41Look, starting with me, and I've been thinking about this for a couple of weeks
42:44and where they are right now on June 22nd,
42:46and you can sit here and try to tell me, hey, Dex, you know what?
42:50They put together a couple of good weeks here.
42:53If you get to the end of June or last eight days, whatever you want to say,
42:56and, you know, the Mets will show you that they're there.
42:59Let's go back to something I said earlier in this episode.
43:01The Mets are not a serious team.
43:03And when you're not a serious team, time to tell.
43:05So, okay, I'm here.
43:07It's time to sell.
43:10Retool.
43:11Rebuild.
43:12Whatever you want to call.
43:14Get ahead of the process.
43:15I know it's going to feel like you're back in 2023 again.
43:19I get it.
43:20Which is something I applauded the Mets for at that time in that season.
43:23That they saw that, okay, you know what?
43:26Now it's a little different situation.
43:27They gave a lot of money to Max Scherzer.
43:30They gave a lot of money to Justin Verlander, older pitchers.
43:32And they said, hey, let's get off those.
43:34Let's just sell now.
43:36Sure, we're not going to get a lot back.
43:37Excuse me.
43:38But let's sell now.
43:40I don't think the Mets are that much of a different spot.
43:42I think we keep looking at this.
43:44We can, you said this earlier.
43:46I'm going to quote you.
43:502024 is not a plan you can hope to replicate.
43:52I'm kind of para-quoting you.
43:54I don't, you said something to that effect, Wardy.
43:56No, if you hold on to hope, oh, maybe the Mets could turn around in 2024.
44:00That's not sustainable.
44:02What are we doing here?
44:03Look at this team.
44:04If you're being real, they are not a serious team right now.
44:08You've got to sell.
44:10You've got to sell.
44:12You've got, you've, you've, you've had some bright spots this season.
44:14You've seen Carson Bench come up and do his thing.
44:16Carson Bench looking like a player, nine home runs.
44:19You love what you're seeing from him.
44:20AJ Ewing looks like a player that could stay here.
44:23Nolan McClain is going through his ups and downs in the second season, but we think
44:27he could pitch at a good level.
44:28Christian Scott looks like a rotation piece.
44:30We'll see about other guys.
44:31They come up.
44:32The newer young player development has actually been encouraging, like, especially since
44:36being on their turns.
44:37Like, that's what I hope is.
44:38That's different than like the Vientos, the Alvarez, and the Beatty group.
44:42Like, this is a newer core that we're even getting.
44:44So far, it's pretty good.
44:45I agree with you.
44:46That actually looks like they can be sustainably good players.
44:49Now, I understand the Mets haven't had this amazing track record sometimes with position
44:52guys when they come up, and coming up this quickly and looking good, but, and there's
44:58a long way to go for those guys, so I will pump the brakes on myself, too, but I do
45:02think
45:02that's where you have some hope in the season, because the hope ain't in David Peterson.
45:06The hope isn't in Sean Mania.
45:07It's not in Kodai Senga.
45:09I thought Luis Robert Jr. could be an X-Factor.
45:12There's no hope there.
45:13He was, I think, like my big X-Factor heading into the season.
45:15How do you think that?
45:15He was.
45:16I know how talented he is, too.
45:18That's why he's one of those that's going to kill me, because he's just like, Mr. Glass,
45:22but I'm like, man, oh, man, if you just weren't, like, oh, what a difference you could possibly
45:26make.
45:27So, the wrap I'll put on this before I hear your thoughts is, you know, you've also
45:31said this, too, and I agree with you.
45:32Just pick a direction.
45:33Just pick a direction for the rest of the season.
45:35You've got to know where you're going right now, as we're approaching July 1st.
45:39Know where you're going.
45:40You've got to be real and look at this team, and I'm sure David Sterns will say, I know guys
45:44want to try to win games, you want to try to compete, just start selling.
45:49You don't have to fool us.
45:50The Mets have the payroll they have, and they're not putting a good product out on the field.
45:55Don't spit in the face of the fans and call it rain.
45:58You can say, look at this team and say, hey, you want to come out to Citi Field and see
46:02some
46:02young guys develop?
46:03Fine.
46:04Now, sure, you want to tell me the payroll is what it is, and you're not happy about that?
46:07I get that.
46:07I'm not going to argue with any of the fans for what the prices cost for tickets.
46:10I get that, but I'm not going to lie to you.
46:14We're not going to lie to the people and tell you that this is good.
46:18So me, right now, they are much closer to being sellers, should be, in my opinion.
46:24I don't want to hear about being trapped in between.
46:26Oh, I think they're in the middle.
46:28You can't be in the middle.
46:30Warty, pick a side here.
46:32Either you're buying or you're selling, and we know damn well they are anywhere close to
46:36buying.
46:36OK, so to me, it's selling.
46:39I don't see it getting better.
46:41Sell, sell, sell, sell, sell.
46:43And there's a lot of fans that can't grasp this reality because they're like, you can't
46:47justify selling when you have Juan Soto on your team.
46:50You can't do it.
46:51Like, for the amount of money you've invested in him and Francisco Lindor, you have to do
46:55everything in your power to still push to buy.
46:58And it's an interesting thought because on one hand, I get that point of view a little
47:01bit.
47:01Like, you have players in the prime right now that you want to try to maximize and make
47:06something of it with them.
47:07And for that, I do agree to an extent.
47:09Like, again, Soto's literally entering his peak prime with the Mets.
47:12Like, he's going to have his best years of his career, more than likely as a New York
47:15Met.
47:15Like, he's trending in that direction the way he's played the past calendar year plus for
47:19this team.
47:19And Lindor, we don't know how much more we're going to get of him at his best.
47:23He's not getting any younger.
47:25He's older than Soto, obviously, by like a number of years.
47:27I think he's older than Soto by like five years or so.
47:30So, like, there's a gap here as well as to how much more you're going to get out of
47:33Lindor being that productive player.
47:36Having said that, though, you're not going to buy just for the sake of buying when your
47:40team's in no position to do so.
47:42Nor should the Mets be having one foot in and one foot out, which is my big concern.
47:46My big concern, Dex, is that the Mets are going to do exactly what we don't want them
47:49to do.
47:50My concern is that they're going to sell away.
47:52They're going to trade away a couple of these pieces for not much.
47:55And they're going to bring in like one or two somewhat controllable players and let
47:59that be that.
48:00My concern is that the Mets aren't going to trade away nearly enough of, say, if they're
48:04fire selling, they should be fire selling.
48:06But instead of a fire sale where you trade away Hawaska Brosban, AJ Mentor, Brooke Fraley,
48:13Devin Williams, Luke Weaver, like you really deplete your top, like your top assets that
48:18you can part with that you know aren't going to be here long term.
48:20You get rid of them.
48:21Maximize that value because you know you're not going anywhere this year.
48:24When it comes to the offense, Brett Beatty, Mark Vientos, Jared Yon, I mean, to a smaller
48:29degree, Eric Wagerman, the list goes on.
48:31You part ways with those.
48:32The rotation, David Peterson, Kodai Senga, anything that you can get of semblance from
48:37these players, you do that.
48:39Instead, the Mets will likely go down the route of only trading one or two of those assets
48:43and then maybe getting an asset in return.
48:46That's my concern here.
48:48My concern is that we're going to be stuck in complacency, Dex, because why have I had a
48:52reason to believe otherwise at this point?
48:54That's fair.
48:55But let me say this to what you just said about the folks who were like, well, you can't
49:01sell that aggressively if you want to call that.
49:04Although I agree with you.
49:05I think that they should be that aggressive.
49:06Some people are going to say you can't because you have Juan Soto.
49:08So you have Lindor towards the end of his prime.
49:12You've got to you're doing those guys a disservice.
49:17Both of those guys, particularly more so Soto.
49:20Right.
49:20Smack in his prime.
49:21You're doing him a disservice about the long term future of this team and giving him multiple
49:27bites at the apple to actually win.
49:30If you don't sell now, you're better selling now, seeing what you have in these prospects,
49:36retooling in the offseason.
49:37The Mets have the money to do that, can build through free agency and through some other
49:42trades and really get this team in the likeness of the way David Stearns wants.
49:48Because if this is it, if this is what we're seeing now, it's like I don't think it is just
49:53to be clear, the full likeness of what David Stearns wants in the team, then it's a disservice
49:58to Mets fans.
49:59But if you truly want to, if you truly want to maximize the Juan Soto era, then you have
50:07to sell the way you're talking about.
50:09And understand, a sunk cost is a sunk cost.
50:11I always say that.
50:12You can't cry over the spilled milk.
50:15Get what you can, especially those bullpen arms you just mentioned.
50:18Talking about Brasaban, talking about Weaver, talking about Minter.
50:22I know it's been a long time since the Mets have a bullpen this good and now the Mets aren't
50:26good.
50:27But if you can get stuff for them and you got to do it, man, you got to do it
50:33because
50:33this is not a serious team.
50:34And if you were telling yourself you think this Mets team is serious, then I don't think
50:38you're a serious person.
50:40It's as simple as what I usually would say.
50:42I got a bridge to sell you if you think this team's been operating seriously, you know,
50:45that kind of thing.
50:46So it's unfortunate that, again, we're wanting to have positive conversation.
50:52At this rate, I feel like our positive conversation will either be Francisco Lindor being red
50:55hot next time we talk a week from now and maybe the Mets find themselves, you know, four
50:59and a half out of a wild card.
51:01And we're going to do the song and dance again.
51:03I think that's our feeling right now.
51:06Yeah.
51:07It's sad.
51:08This is where we are.
51:09But look, some people that still say there's still time, there's still hope.
51:13You got to believe.
51:14Oh, for sure.
51:15For sure.
51:16You got to believe until you can't believe.
51:18Right, Dex?
51:19All right.
51:20I'm very close to being done with not believing.
51:22I already told you about sell.
51:23I'm sure we'll talk a lot more about buying sell in the coming weeks.
51:26Let us know what you think.
51:28Are the Mets, should they be buyers?
51:29Should they be sellers?
51:30Should they be trapped in between?
51:32What moves should they make?
51:34What are you angry with?
51:35Some of you will say everything.
51:36And I understand that too.
51:38Let us all know.
51:39That's going to do it for this edition of Straight Outta Flushing.
51:42We hope things get happier for us.
51:44Even though we had a happy Father's Day, we wish everybody a happy rest of the week.
51:47I'm a bit comedic at this point because that's all we really got.
51:50You got to laugh.
51:51You got to laugh.
51:52You got to laugh to stop from crying.
51:54You got to laugh.
51:56You got to show some form of emotion.
51:58You got to show some emotion.
52:00That's my man, Tyler Ward, a.k.a. Wardy.
52:03Check him out everywhere.
52:05I'm Dexter Henry.
52:06We will catch you next time on another edition of Straight Outta Flushing.
52:10Peace.
52:18Peace.
52:18Peace.
52:18Peace.
52:18Peace.
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