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00:04hey well we asked for a challenge and boy did we get one welcome back to the debrief i'm tony
00:10i'm shakira and i'm yaz well turns out it really is that deep for some of the islanders i mean
00:16there was a few kickoffs what did we think about the whole opian simba situation
00:22oh silly boys aren't they the best part about it for me was how many times they dapped each
00:28other up in that episode i think it was at least 15. for me personally i would have never gotten
00:33over
00:33it that quick but more power to them i guess i don't know i think simba's points are very valid
00:39he sort of ate opi up he was like you wanted to have your cake and eat it and now
00:43you're crying
00:44about it but on the other hand i do think opi is right like he got so much stick off
00:49everybody else
00:50for not even kissing victoria he was just a little crazy and excited which yeah was wrong but do we
00:56think angelis has been a bit of a hypocrite in this situation and then she wasn't she was
01:02invalidating his feelings that when he was upset like he has a right to be upset he's done all this
01:07graft you've kissed the boy that you've known for a day and you've not even so much as touched opi
01:13so
01:13he's sort of saying you never liked me anyway you could have just been honest you've wasted my time
01:18and now you're belittling my feelings i think what stings the most for opi is the fact that it was
01:24it's now kind of obvious at this point that angelista didn't really fancy him because even
01:28now like it's good to have multiple options when you're in the villa and i think some of the girls
01:32are sad like oh like what do you think about opi like is that situation done and she was like
01:36yeah
01:37it's done because i think it was clear like the girl did not fancy him at all didn't say that
01:41to him
01:42i think if she would have said you know what opi i kissed simba i realized we had a way
01:47better
01:47connection and i don't want to continue getting to know you anymore i'm sorry if i've hurt your feelings
01:51would have been a way better way to handle the situation but it's like she almost left the door
01:56open so then he's he is also open to be annoyed if you're still in a situation when she was
02:02talking
02:03to opi she was very defensive but then when she sat and talked to jasmine she kind of realized where
02:08she messed up and i wish she just did that to opi but she realized that before she even had
02:12the
02:12conversation with opi so it's like she was trying to convince opi he was in the wrong even though she
02:17just said to jasmine i feel guilty it was wrong how am i going to tell opi so just say
02:22that to him
02:22say you know what i didn't handle that the best it was the spur of the moment i wanted to
02:26kiss him
02:27i'm sorry if i've hurt your feelings how can we move on from this i think she just has a
02:31bad taste
02:31in her mouth when it comes to opi because of the way he's reacted in the past he blows up
02:35on people
02:36and just does this rah-bah-bah type of thing and i think angelus is just over it but i
02:41do think he was
02:42being quite a level-headed in that conversation obviously he was so hurt and he was going okay
02:46okay and she was like why are you being like that angelista i love you but of course he's gonna
02:52be
02:52like that he's just had watched the whole villa take the piss out of him because you're up on the
02:57terrace kissing a boy when you've been telling everyone else you're a slow burner that's humiliating
03:02for him i really hate to say it but i just love a woman in male fields i will always
03:08be an angelista
03:09defender no i hear it and she's fair to do what she's gonna do but also his feelings are valid
03:15i'm not saying he's an angel i'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but i think it's a little
03:21hypocritical i'm gonna have to agree with you there i support women's rights and wrongs but like
03:27angelista girl just be honest yeah it goes so much further in there we all know that tell the truth
03:33move on i mean but i feel like at the same time like opie and simba they did sort of
03:38resolve it
03:39quite quickly i think opie kind of realized the theatrics came out and then they were sort of like
03:44what's flooding each other being like yeah yeah we're bros we're bros they sort of hugged it out
03:49and like squashed it quite quickly so that was kind of nice to see i guess they had a mature
03:53conversation about it after and that sort of credits simba too because he held his hands up
03:57apology i said you know what i know it's really rubbish i'm i'm sorry i hope we can be friends
04:02like let's bring it in sort of thing which is nice to see from the boys i mean if it
04:07was the girls it'd
04:07be a day hell to the nose i mean at this point i feel like the villa is just like
04:11simba's pride rock at
04:13the moment simba could do no wrong he could do no wrong even in the challenge oh my god i
04:19mean
04:19let's talk about the double standards of opie and simba that was a little crazy let's let's turn back
04:25the clock a few days ago the girls absolutely booted off at opie for saying he's got a wandering eye
04:34and all of a sudden when simba does it it's okay it's a problem you can do no wrong i
04:41think like
04:41part of the problem is when opie was on that date with victoria yeah the kiss was brought up but
04:46did
04:46they kiss no no well angelista and simba went up to that terrace and were smooching like they've met for
04:54i don't know how long they're just more suited to each other and that's gonna have to be okay
04:59but there is a double standard there for sure but even in the challenge like jasmine sort of came out
05:04and said yeah you know what i think this is simba and that's so fine simba because you can have
05:08a
05:09wandering eye you know that's all right you men find hot women attractive pardon excuse me have we got
05:16the right definition of wandering eye i think the girls are almost confusing window shopping and a
05:22wandering eye to me window shopping is looking at i don't know a celebrity and being like oh yes smash
05:28like me and harry can acknowledge when someone is attractive acting on that is a wandering eye a
05:35wandering eye is insinuating that you are moving elsewhere i've always interpreted wandering eye as
05:41window shopping i've taken cheating as like oh you've acted on that wandering eye but i feel like
05:47everyone to some extent almost has a wandering eye in a sense of you can find other people attractive
05:52and still be in a relationship with someone i'm gonna say close your eyes and call it a day what
05:58are you wondering for like okay so for me an example in the villa of a wandering eye is aiden
06:04and yasmin
06:04cracking on and his eyes wandering back over to ellie that's a wandering eye to me he's he's looking over
06:10there he's thinking about it he's trying to open it up that's a wandering eye he's wandering away
06:14from yasmin window shopping would be someone appreciating someone's attractive but not wanting
06:21to go there no so you're saying a wandering eye is worse than window shopping yes i think a wandering
06:27eye has to do with like the amount of commitment you have to the first person in the first place
06:33if you actually are committed why are your eyes wandering that's what i'm saying but like we can have
06:39i can look at margot robbie and me and harry can say margot robbie is so fit you're wandering to
06:44margot robbie no but in fact margot robbie's fit is harry wandering to margot robbie no because i'd kill
06:50him with all his testicles do you know what i mean guys up until now i feel like this villa
06:54has just
06:55been kumbaya there's been a lot of peace this game ripped them to shreds i wasn't expecting that
07:02and it was a split divide between the boys and the girls not even girl on girl i think it
07:08was hard because i
07:08think so far we've kind of seen everyone getting along but i don't know i feel like in this scenario
07:13i hate to say i was feeling a little bit bad for the boys i feel like the girls i
07:18don't think what
07:19they were saying was necessarily unreasonable but i did see a little bit of double standard in a sense
07:25of it's okay when they do something but if the boys did it it would be a different story
07:29i don't agree with some of the commentary the boys made i just think you know like the whispering
07:34to each other and this and that and obviously like the girls were calling them out to be like
07:37what are you talking about but at the same time it's like i don't know but then i also think
07:42if
07:42the boys said it's their faces they'd also get for that because then jasmine would say why draw me
07:47out so that they're like trying to have subtle discussions with each other but if they said it to
07:52the group then they'd be like why draw me out why are you embarrassing me in front of everyone
07:55because priya had a go at sam raj for that and jasmine had a go at lorenzo and cavern for
08:01that
08:02so it's like they can't win they can't discuss it privately to each other and they can't say it to
08:07the whole group what do you do just not speak at all can't have an opinion i have a problem
08:12with how
08:12everyone handled that challenge if i'm being honest the herd mentality thing with the girls really
08:17bothered me because i don't feel like the things they were saying were really true to their beliefs ellie
08:22was the only person who was sort of disagreeing with the whole wondering i think she was like no
08:27that's not okay and then all the other girls were just like yeah whatever jasmine says go i don't
08:35know it's like and then the boys they were also being immature i don't like the whispering we know
08:40what that feels like in there when people are whispering it just grinds my gears and then it was
08:46just like stupid back and forth no one was even really making sense they weren't giving good arguments
08:51for agents argument what what was that about aiden was trying to compare yasmin saying i love you and
09:01someone else's name from knows how long ago yeah nothing to do with love island very pre-love island
09:07to him calling yasmin ellie first and foremost that's obviously a mistake that she was sorry for
09:14and was nothing to do with aiden and he's saying oh you should have some sympathy then for when i
09:19did it
09:20i don't really i didn't really see her get on to him for that she just he ran off and
09:25she was like
09:25oh we call melee i just feel like aiden wants ammunition to use at another date that's exactly
09:30when did you even hear yasmin bring up the fact that he called her by the wrong name again you
09:35know
09:35what i mean that was that was a couple days ago we're over it now and he just wants something
09:39to
09:40bring up when he's in the doghouse but i think the thing with aiden is like i do kind of
09:44see it from
09:45his perspective because he did get shit for accidentally calling yas ellie and i think in a
09:51weird way again i know yas and her ex and whatever has nothing to do with aiden and that's
09:55a pre-love island thing but at the same time in a way that is actually kind of worse the
10:00fact that
10:01she called her ex well said i love you and then the wrong name and then she was kind of
10:06giving aiden
10:06stick for calling her ellie and i was kind of like i'm not seeing why i don't know i don't
10:11know why
10:11aiden's getting shit for it because i can see why he'd be valid though but she could know firsthand
10:15that when she said i love you so and so whoever's name it was that it's because they were on
10:20her
10:20mind so she'll know more than anyone why she's done it yeah so when aiden's called her la she's
10:26thinking oh well i know exactly what this is yeah you're thinking about la my biggest red flag in
10:32that challenge was lorenzo what do you mean you've had sex with 11 people and you don't remember
10:38eight of them like that's crazy is he okay crazy comment to make and then he said you know i
10:45know
10:45all your names like that makes it better no i feel like he was really digging himself a hole here
10:50but
10:50at the same time i mean there's still so much more to talk about and we will see you after
10:55the break
11:04you're back with the debrief there's still so much to dissect from this challenge what is worse
11:10priya and her list or lorenzo and his amnesia because i don't think the list is a problem i have
11:15a list i think it's a common thing for girls to have a list maybe it's a juvenile thing i
11:21started my
11:21list when i was 15 years old what is your list though is is your list people it's a kiss
11:24list
11:25okay kiss a kiss list okay there's 43 people on there that is not the amount of people i've slept
11:31with just to make it clear um oh yeah they talk about sleeping with lists yeah yeah yeah but i
11:36don't
11:37have that but i have a kiss list but it's again it's something i started when i was 15 and
11:41it was
11:41just like more of a memory thing and now i'm 23 and i just keep adding to it like the
11:46first thing i
11:46did when i came out of love island was update my kiss list and put their names in chronological order
11:51and i have everyone's government name on there i don't know i think maybe it's just a girly thing
11:56because on the other hand if boys went around with a little black book or a list of all the
12:03girls they
12:03slept with then it's also becomes like a trophy so i feel like they can't win like imagine a boy
12:09says
12:09oh i've got a list of all the women i've ever slept with you'd be like at least he remembers
12:14yeah i mean at
12:15least he remembers you could have a mental log though for a guy but then priya i think priya's
12:19list was guys that she had slept with yeah and like i don't know both sides i i kind of
12:25don't see
12:26it as a bad thing i think the girls could find it off putting if a guy had a list
12:30but then at the same
12:31time it's kind of not okay for them to find it off putting because girls also keep a list so
12:36it's kind
12:36of like no one can win either way and i feel like that's the situation we're kind of seeing in
12:41the villa
12:41at the moment where the boys are damned if they do and damned if they don't absolutely i think what
12:46jasmine's point was she was pissed off because lorenzo was sort of treating them as a statistic
12:52yeah which is disrespectful to women and we know jasmine is a strong feminist and he didn't even
12:58have the decency to remember their names like they're not just fucking sex dolls they're people
13:03with lives and stories so that's why she was like deeply hurt by that and i just think in today's
13:10challenge jasmine is so passionate that we've really just seen that come out today and she was
13:15on smoke for anyone who wanted a bit and it really took a toll on her when she was in
13:19the dressing room
13:20crying i felt so bad because as much as she's brought it on herself saying i want to be the
13:24center of attention i want to be in the fights this is me i'll stand up i'll be mouthy we
13:29also see that
13:30there's a vulnerable side to her and she's not this of course she's a strong woman but she's also got
13:35that soft emotional side where she is vulnerable and she's not as solid and bulletproof as she
13:42makes out i feel like she kind of contradicted herself though yes i see that she's strong in
13:47her beliefs and she pipes up and she stands for what she believes in but the whole wandering eye
13:52thing that's not a feminist belief yeah you know what i mean so that part kind of disappointed me
13:58but i do feel bad for her in a sense because she was getting attacked at every angle but at
14:04the same
14:05time it's good to see that other side of her and i think it makes her more human the right
14:10boy
14:11man i guess you want to call the right man will appreciate her for that because up until now i
14:16don't
14:17feel like she's very understood in that villa one thing i've noticed with jasmine is i think and up
14:23until this point we haven't really seen her kick off that much she's been very mellow and and we've
14:28kind of seen it teased in a way where she's like no no like i do stand on business but
14:32i think one
14:32thing i've noticed with her is like she is i think she has a very hard exterior but she's soft
14:37on the
14:37inside and i think once one thing sets her off then she's just naturally more irritated because even
14:43when aiden was talking to yaz and he mentioned her name once she's obviously heard her name she's in
14:48this irritable state and she's on the defense and she's popped off at him and then obviously later
14:53when we saw her apologize and say oh look sorry i thought you were talking about me badly like i've
14:57just had a lot going on and all this stuff so i just feel like it's just been a compilation
15:01of
15:01thing after thing after thing that's just like jabbed at her and then she's just kicked off every
15:06single one of them and i can still relate when someone tells me to chill out yeah best believe i'm
15:10not gonna chill the fuck out like you're gonna get it ten times worse exactly never ever as a man
15:15tell me to chill out
15:16i'll chill you the fuck out don't poke the bear with the stick what i think was the real problem
15:21for jasmine she didn't feel like lorenzo and cavern were there for her in that challenge it was like
15:27snog mary pie when you get three pies to the face and no one checks on you to see if
15:31you're okay it's
15:32like damn does anyone give a fuck about me in here and i think that's what really broke her down
15:37at the
15:38end of the day but did you think that she was entitled to have a go at lorenzo for not
15:43being there for
15:44her like she'd pretty much ended that with him made her choice with cavern and then she was saying
15:50to lorenzo you should have had my back i think with her and lorenzo they've obviously had i think
15:55there's still something they're brewing between them so i think it was kind of a case of even just
16:00like a little thing like he didn't she was annoyed that he didn't even look at her in the challenge
16:04to
16:04be like you okay sort of thing but on the other hand she was drawing him out yeah no i
16:08know and like
16:08it wasn't exactly his place to do that but i think only and only she will know how she feels
16:13but i actually personally think there's still feelings there between her and lorenzo and that's
16:17why she was annoyed but she's not entitled to say to him you should have checked if i was okay
16:23when
16:23you were publicly drawing him out in front of everyone if you had a problem with how many
16:28people lorenzo had slept with and not remember their names if you want that same treatment you should
16:32just talk to him about it in private instead of kicking up a fuss in front of everyone saying
16:35that's disgusting or whatever it was she was saying it goes both ways like you can't you can't expect
16:41that energy if you're not going to give it out because she's the first person to call the boys out
16:45on their bullshit and then when it's in the reverse it's not allowed all of a sudden the boys are
16:50allowed to have their opinion like samraj and priya prime example priya can give it all she wants
16:57but then when samraj has an opinion about a kiss list which we right or wrong it's an opinion he
17:03apologized and said if you know you felt like i was embarrassing you in front of everyone i'm
17:08sorry i just think it's a bit weird that's my opinion then she said his opinion was pathetic
17:14that's when he said she was embarrassing because it is embarrassing to not let someone have an
17:19opinion when they're trying to have a civil conversation he's just apologized to you for
17:23hurting your feelings but he's not apologizing for having opinion and then she told him to fuck off
17:28team samraj on this one honestly i think the thing that happened with priya and samraj is again i think
17:34priya was just very very irritated in a similar way i think that's why her and jasmine really
17:39bond in that villa because they are similar they're very hard on the exterior but soft on the inside
17:43and i think again because she was sort of agitated already now samraj has said said to her oh you're
17:50embarrassing you're embarrassing and now that's literally just made her spiral and gone
17:53fuck off you're embarrassing and again i think if she was in a calmer state of mind i don't think
17:58she would have spoken to him that way and again like i'm not excusing her behavior like you can be
18:03pissed off without swearing and like i don't know being really really aggy towards someone once you call
18:08me embarrassing i'm telling you to fuck up i i'm with her on that one i don't care yeah but
18:13he called
18:14her she called him pathetic for having an opinion so how is that any better he'd already apologized
18:20like i said sorry if i hurt your feelings that's just my opinion and she well your opinion's
18:24pathetic like he's trying to make amends and you're still belittling it comes back to what sam said
18:29men can't have feelings and opinions too but the the girls can like where do we find the balance then
18:35she didn't say you're pathetic specifically she said that sam raj was picking up on pathetic things
18:41which i i somewhat agree on like they were really nitpicking and making this big deal out of
18:47something that maybe isn't that deep what's your guys opinions on the whole brotherly aiden and
18:55cavern situation i mean i feel like the thing with aiden is like i don't blame him for sort of
19:00the
19:01things that he said i think he is correct but i think it was just a situation where it was
19:05time and
19:06place i think if you're annoyed or some the the girl that cavern's coupled up with has said something
19:11i think maybe speak to him first rather than go direct to the source when you know jasmine's already
19:16really really irritated it's not only that it already it fucks cavern over because that's his
19:22brother yeah and jasmine's almost going to take that as gospel truth like if his brother's thinking
19:26that then he must think that and that's the dangerous thing it's a bit more than your friend
19:31having an opinion if your brother's saying you're off putting that's a lot that's quite hurtful and
19:37cavern was sort of said to him listen you can have an opinion but say it to me i don't
19:41want you to think
19:41you can't speak but say it to me because you've just made that 10 times worse she's already upset
19:45and we're already in a rocky place could this be an ongoing issue for the brothers getting involved
19:51with each other's drama i feel like aiden did not read the room at all like the girl is already
19:56down
19:56and it's so strange because we never really see aiden and jasmine talk yeah so i don't really understand
20:02why aiden felt the need to get involved like cavern could have handled that on his own off-putting is
20:09such a knife to the chest no but she was digging at him too she was sort of saying i
20:15don't expect you
20:16to be the sort of man who would want to be with me like yeah that was a backhanded dig
20:20maybe aiden
20:21didn't pick up on it but you know she wasn't being the most pleasant but i think you're right she
20:28wasn't going to be in that situation she's already riled up of course it wasn't needed to be said
20:33and i think it just hurt more that it come from aiden who's cavern's brother i think in times like
20:37this it actually kind of shows cavern's level of maturity i think in a nice way like i know him
20:43and jasmine sort of had a bit of a tiff and stuff like that but i actually do think he
20:47somewhat handled
20:48the situation well where he's kind of called his brother out and said look like you shouldn't have said
20:53that like come to me next time sort of thing and then he's gone to comfort jasmine and i really
20:57like the
20:57way that he handled that situation i think it tells a lot about him we haven't seen the brothers
21:02like clash in that sense yet even when they were talking to the same girl so i don't know i
21:06just
21:06felt like that aiden conversation was really random out of place like kevin could have had that
21:12conversation with jasmine himself aiden just wanted to be involved for whatever reason just gone off on
21:16a tangent he tried to apologize to her initially and said oh sorry i wasn't speaking about you i said
21:21your name once and i mentioned other people and then it just spiraled and he started verbal
21:25diarrhea and as we know aiden does once he opens the mouth he can't close it but yeah just poorly
21:31handled talk about trouble in paradise lola and sean our first blip of the golden couple
21:40i think it proves even more that they might be meant for each other by the way that they handled
21:45that
21:46though beautifully handled was it a relationship ending tiff between the two of them no but they showed
21:52great communication skills understanding one another and they got over it so quickly well
21:58that's it for today lola and sean have made up but is anyone else going to kiss and make up
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