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00:28Satsang with Mooji
00:50I'm sorry
01:09Harlan Ellison wrote
01:10I have no mouth
01:12And I must scream
01:25I have no mouth
01:57Okay, let's go
01:58I have no mouth
02:32Where is he?
02:33He's right there
02:36Thank you
02:37Oh, but of course
02:40What happened to your hand?
02:41It's nothing
02:41I'm okay
02:49Holy shit
02:49They won't let anybody up on the sixth floor now, huh?
02:53Well, they let your dumb ass become a profiler, didn't they?
02:56How have you been, Tom?
02:57Good
02:57Good evening, Ed, you?
03:00Listen, I heard about...
03:03Yeah...
03:04I know, I'm sorry
03:08Seriously, what are you doing up here?
03:10I'm here to see you
03:11And hopefully your team
03:13Is it bad?
03:15It's weird
03:17Come on
03:18You came to the right place
03:19Let's go
03:22Hey, SSA Prentice
03:23Agent Tyler Green
03:24Good to see you again, sir
03:25Oh, you've worked with Agent Green before?
03:27Well, I helped Green get through his basic field training course
03:30Well, he didn't help so much as I survived
03:32Agent Millican kicked my ass
03:34I mean all the new agent trainees
03:35Is that how you met Luke?
03:36Oh, no
03:37Alves and I are retired Army grunts
03:39We met in the ARC program
03:41The Army Recovery Care Program
03:43They do great work
03:45We do
03:46I'm proud to get to volunteer there
03:48We help ill and injured service members
03:50Reintegrate into civilian life
03:53Matter of fact, that's why I'm knocking at your door
03:55The BAU does equivocal death investigations, correct?
03:59Helping determine the manner of death
04:00Whether it's suicide, homicide, or just an accident
04:05That is correct
04:06Do you have a case like that?
04:07Well, Luke, could you?
04:11This is Captain Al Smith
04:12Another friend of mine from ARC
04:14He died yesterday morning
04:16Cause of death?
04:18Gas stove blew up in his face
04:20All four ranges were turned all the way up
04:22Based on the explosion, they'd been that way for quite some time
04:26Had the matchbook in his hand
04:28We can take the case
04:29We'd start with a psychological autopsy
04:31But I just don't think there's much for us to investigate here
04:34I know
04:35And I know the numbers
04:36Hell, I preach them
04:3787% of all vets report exposure to at least one traumatic event
04:41And less than half get the treatment that they need
04:43But that is not Al
04:46Okay?
04:46If you met him through ARC, what was he being treated for?
04:50Anxiety, depression, intrusive thoughts
04:52Which are indicators of PTSD
04:57His pistol was in his gun safe
04:59I mean, he didn't blow his brains out
05:01He blew himself up
05:02And he took a cop and a building superintendent with him
05:06It's odd
05:07Even for PTSD
05:09Did you know him, Luke?
05:11I know the type
05:13And I know what scares me
05:16Let's say this is what it looks like
05:18Sometimes it happens in clusters
05:21One of our guys punches his own ticket
05:23And another one says
05:24Hey, that's a good idea
05:25Maybe I'll go out the same way
05:27That's why I want to take it
05:29I know why
05:31Tyler, would you mind?
05:32No, no, no
05:33Agent Prentiss
05:34Thank you
05:45Good morning
05:45Good
05:47Now, you got my email
05:49What the hell is Void up to?
05:51Tara is with him now
05:53So is Rebecca to expedite
05:54All he has to do is pick a family member
05:56And say, boo-hoo, I did it
05:58Just one family member
06:00And he is down to his final four
06:03He's treating this like he's picking out a goddamn ring
06:06He is trying to find the victim he killed with the least amount of violence
06:10Because that will be the least upsetting to whomever he talks to
06:14Yeah, well, someone should tell him
06:15It's always upsetting
06:22Hey, morning
06:23Oh, you too?
06:28How many podcasts do you listen to?
06:31Um, I don't know
06:32It's mostly news
06:33Why?
06:35Well, Henry devours them
06:36Specifically the ones on Void
06:38And it turns out that there's one that mentions me, you, and the BAU
06:43It's our case
06:44Goes with the territory we'd be mentioned
06:46No, Emily
06:48This one is made by someone you know
06:52Personally
06:56Fuuuuck
06:59Emily, Bella
07:01Come on
07:02Oh, oh dear
07:03I get it
07:04I've made your job harder, haven't I?
07:06But Emily, come on
07:07The brass ring is right there
07:09All this time I've been barking up the wrong tree
07:12I thought conspiracies were where it's at
07:13Serial killers
07:15Serial killers
07:16My downloads are through the roof
07:18And it's not just about the money
07:20The money is very nice
07:22It's about the social capital
07:24Emily, I'm trending
07:25I've never trended before
07:27I've never had a hashtag catch on with more than three people
07:30And now I'm trending
07:31And yes, of course, I may have taken one or two little liberties
07:35In the service of a greater story
07:45Are you going to kill me?
07:47No, because that's illegal
07:49And you have every right to produce a podcast that is nothing but lies
07:53Excuse me
07:54Not nothing
07:55Did or did not Elias Voigt call you dad?
07:59Because I paid an orderly a hefty sum for that intel
08:04Which, when he said it, was more like
08:07Is that you, dad?
08:09And less like I had it on the pod
08:10Which was more, um
08:11Ooh, spank me daddy
08:13Even that is not why you're here
08:15You're here because you are claiming
08:17Voigt is a serial killer
08:19That was trained by the BAU
08:21To be a Manchurian candidate
08:23Which is...
08:24Is...
08:25It's horseshit
08:26And you're going to clean up the mess you've made
08:29I can do that
08:30I can do that, no problem
08:31I'm wrapping up season one
08:33I can put a cap on the season finale
08:35And do a 180 degree pivot
08:38That's what we do in podcasting
08:40You start out with one thesis
08:41And then eventually you pivot to another one
08:43Right?
08:45To sell it, though
08:46I just need one little thing
08:49What?
08:50What no other Elias Voigt podcast has
08:52I want an on-the-record interview with the white whale himself
08:55You can't possibly
08:57Oh, come on, I mean white whale metaphorically
08:59I'm not fat-shaming the guy
09:01Although I did hear he's putting on LBs in prison
09:03Confirmed, did I?
09:04No
09:05Okay, good for him
09:06Keeping the weight off
09:07No to your request
09:08That's not happening
09:11Oh
09:12That's really a shame
09:15I feel bad for you guys
09:16Because I guess I'll just have to keep telling my story
09:19My way
09:25Get out
09:28Oh
09:29Tell Tara I said hi
09:42I think this one
09:45Oh, wait, no, sorry
09:50No
09:53This one
09:53Yeah
09:55Dina Ryan
09:56Mm-hmm
09:57You're sure?
09:58Yeah
10:00Yeah, I'm sure
10:00Okay
10:01Why her?
10:03What does it matter?
10:05It matters because it matters
10:07Before her mom comes in here
10:09We need to confirm that you're telling the whole truth about her daughter
10:11Look, I strangled Dina
10:12She died
10:13That's the whole truth
10:15That is not good enough, Elias
10:18Her mother's going to want to know why
10:20Why you took her daughter
10:22Where you took her
10:23How you strangled her
10:25Wait
10:27Wait, you're both wearing wedding rings
10:31Oh, my God
10:31You got married
10:33That's amazing
10:33Congrats
10:35Focus
10:36Please
10:37Yeah, sorry
10:41Look, I just hope it works out
10:43I mean, not I hope
10:44It's going to work out
10:44It's going to be great
10:45I just
10:45I think, you know
10:46Especially everything we're going through right now
10:48Getting married is kind of the ultimate act of optimism
10:51Hey, hey, hey
10:51What?
10:52We know you're getting divorced
10:53But we've got a job to do
10:55Right
10:56Oh, sure
10:57Sorry
11:06Tell you what
11:06I'll coordinate with the Bureau of Prisons
11:08We'll get Dina's mom put on your visitor list
11:10Great
11:11And I will review Dina's file
11:16Just
11:17Be honest
11:18With the mom, okay?
11:35Nice job
11:37Dodging that question
11:38Not telling them
11:39What you really did to that girl
11:42I really don't want to tell them anything
11:45Then why are you doing this?
11:49You
11:50Told me to
11:51What good is
11:52Having an angel on my shoulder
11:54If I don't listen to him
11:55Oh
11:56That's adorable
11:58What is
12:00You think
12:01I'm the angel
12:14Do you want me to
12:16Get started without me?
12:17I'll catch up
12:32How are you doing?
12:34Tired
12:36I heard that
12:39I'm SSA Luke Galvis
12:40With the Bureau
12:41Looking into Captain Smith's death
12:44Oh
12:44Nice to meet you
12:50If you're here
12:51I guess that means
12:52Yeah
12:54He didn't have a family
12:56I've got to get him dressed
12:57And take him up to Arlington
13:06Can I have a look?
13:09Don't take it out of the bag
13:19Don't take it out of the bag
13:20Smith was EOD
13:22Pardon?
13:25Captain Smith was explosive's ordinance disposal
13:28I guess
13:29I guess
13:30Is that important?
13:33It might be
13:39Can I ask you something?
13:41Sure
13:44The way he died
13:45Is there going to be enough
13:47For his dress blues?
13:54I don't know
14:04Okay
14:04So cause of death
14:05Was trauma
14:06From the explosion
14:07If that didn't do it
14:08The fourth degree burns would have
14:09Was it instantaneous?
14:11Yeah
14:11The cop and the super
14:12Weren't so lucky
14:14I know it might sound weird
14:15But was his brain still intact?
14:16You think of PTSD?
14:18I'm thinking
14:19Yeah
14:20Well there's
14:21Definitely evidence
14:22Of a traumatic brain injury
14:24As a result of
14:25You know
14:25A small rocket exploding
14:26In Captain Smith's face
14:27But
14:27When you're talking PTSD
14:29The biggest giveaway post-mortem
14:31Is reduced table-campo volume
14:32And his was perfectly sized
14:33So his brain was normal?
14:36Oh I didn't say that
14:36I saw something weird
14:38On the CT scan at first
14:39It was so nuts
14:40I performed an MRI to be sure
14:44That
14:44Is highly abnormal
14:48And it's not from the explosion?
14:50Too symmetrical
14:51So what would cause that?
14:53Not what?
14:54Who?
14:58I'm sorry
14:59I don't understand
15:00What I'm looking at here
15:01Those gashes between the lobes
15:02Are evidence of an ice pick
15:04Shoved up each nostril
15:05In his brain
15:06Captain Smith was lobotomized
15:09Wait
15:09What?
15:11Why?
15:12We don't know
15:15He would never
15:16We thought the same thing
15:18So we did some more digging
15:19And it turns out that
15:21This isn't the first time
15:23It's happened
15:24This is Major Howard Newton
15:26Last week he disappeared
15:28When police found him
15:29He'd also been lobotomized
15:31You recognize him?
15:32No
15:33Should I?
15:35He was an advocate
15:35For Arlington Army recovery care
15:38Look Tom
15:39You thought this was
15:40About more than suicide
15:41And you were right
15:44This doesn't make any sense
15:46All the ARC program does
15:48Is help injured soldiers
15:48Why would somebody do this to us?
15:52Because he's hurt
15:54And he wants them
15:55To feel his pain
16:01You don't have to do this
16:03I can help you
16:06I can make you feel better
16:08I swear
16:12What are you gonna do?
16:14This is better if you don't move
16:16Just give me one more chance
16:18I promise
16:19It'll work this time
16:22Please
16:25No
16:35Your daughter was
16:36There you know
16:41I'm sorry
16:41I
16:42No that's
16:46That's what I want to say
16:47Is I'm sorry
16:53Are you comfortable
16:55Do you need anything here
16:55Like water
16:57No
17:03Take a swing at me
17:04I'm not gonna
17:06Fight back
17:07You'll probably get a few in
17:08Before anyone runs in here
17:10That's not gonna happen
17:11I don't want that either
17:15Okay
17:16What do you want?
17:22I want to tell you
17:30What I've learned
17:32Because when your child dies
17:34You learn
17:36Everything
17:38You seek out every detail
17:39You can find
17:40To make it make sense
17:43So I've learned
17:44How much pressure it takes
17:46To crush a larynx
17:4814.3 kilograms
17:50Did you know that?
17:52I did
17:53Of course you did
17:55Because you learned it too
17:58It was part of your training
18:00What?
18:01Your training
18:02By this
18:03Government agency
18:04The very same agency
18:05Coincidentally
18:06That caught you
18:07Because you went off
18:08The reservation
18:08Didn't you?
18:09Ms. Ryan
18:09That's completely
18:10Unfounded
18:11Wait
18:11What was she talking
18:12I'm sorry
18:12I don't know
18:12Where did you hear that?
18:14Don't tell me
18:14You don't know
18:15You know
18:16The whole world
18:18Knows
18:19It's in the podcast
18:20What podcast?
18:22What podcast?
18:24Look
18:25Calm down
18:26There are a lot
18:27Of podcasts out there
18:28Telling bigger lies
18:30About you
18:30This is how
18:31The algorithm works
18:32I'm sure
18:32Brian Garrity's bad
18:33But he's not even
18:33The worst one out there
18:34He is the most popular
18:35Right?
18:36Given your prior
18:37Experience with him
18:38The most believable
18:39Thus the most dangerous
18:41Dangerous?
18:42Jesus
18:42Stop already
18:43Tell me how I'm wrong
18:45Look
18:45Give a dipshit
18:46A megaphone
18:47He's still too stupid
18:48To use it properly
18:49Just let the guy
18:51Have his 15 minutes
18:52And he'll go away
18:53What if my daughter's here?
18:55Elias
18:55Your daughters
18:56Already know everything
18:57A podcast is not
18:58Going to change their minds
18:59Okay
19:00Well what if it changes
19:01Someone else's
19:01You know
19:02Someone could find this
19:03They could
19:05Interpret it wrong
19:05They might identify with me
19:07They might idolize me
19:12You didn't control
19:13A network of people
19:14Who would do
19:14Anything that you
19:15Told them to do
19:15No
19:16But we arrested
19:18All of them
19:18Remember
19:19The guy we're talking about
19:20Is a troll
19:21What is the first thing
19:22That we learned
19:23About the internet
19:23You don't feed the trolls
19:25No that was the first
19:26Lesson of the internet
19:26Before the troglodytes
19:28Took over
19:34I want to set the record
19:35Straight
19:37How?
19:38By going on this podcast
19:40No
19:41How am I supposed
19:42To give anyone
19:42Closure when everyone
19:44Who comes in here
19:45Is believing these lies
19:46That this Garrity clown
19:47Is telling them
19:49Look I'll keep doing this
19:50But how am I supposed
19:51To keep doing this
19:51And subjugating myself
19:52To people
19:53If they don't even
19:54Believe what I'm saying
19:55I want to at least
19:56Apologize for what
19:56I actually did
19:59Alright
20:00Let's think this thing through
20:02You go on the record
20:02With Garrity
20:03What happens
20:04You get more attention
20:06You give him
20:07More attention
20:08You're only going to
20:09Make the guy
20:09More popular
20:10Yes
20:11And that is why
20:12You are going to
20:12Give him a list
20:13Of conditions
20:15Of course you have conditions
20:20So I'm supposed
20:21To make a podcast
20:21Happen
20:22From prison
20:23It's not a live stream
20:24It's a pre-tape
20:25FBI and DOJ
20:26Have complete control
20:27Over the recording
20:28Anything goes sideways
20:28We seize the audio
20:29And what are these
20:30Conditions Voight's demanding
20:32A backup recording
20:33Provided by us
20:34Nothing high tech
20:34It can literally be
20:35Like a voice memo
20:36On your phone
20:37Why?
20:38Insurance
20:38Voight wants to make sure
20:39Brian doesn't edit him
20:40Out of context
20:41Or misrepresent him
20:42And if he does
20:43Voight has the right
20:43To release the unedited audio
20:45To a rival podcast
20:47We're just fine
20:48With all this?
20:49Am I happy
20:50To let a psychopath
20:51Match wits
20:52With the deranged narcissist
20:53No I'm not
20:54But if it gets rid of Garrity
20:55I'm willing to roll the dice
20:56On a psychopath
20:57Wait I thought you profiled
20:58That Voight was no longer
20:59A psychopath
21:00No you're right
21:00He's not
21:01It's
21:03When Brian Garrity
21:05Is in my life
21:07Have you ever had heartburn?
21:08Where
21:09Where the
21:10Acid reflux
21:11Is so
21:12So
21:14Hot
21:14It's like you can
21:16Taste the hatred
21:20Okay the guards
21:22Are gonna have to inspect
21:23All the audio equipment
21:24Absolutely
21:25Okay and no touching
21:26None
21:26Of course
21:27Will Garrity say yes?
21:28He already did
21:30He had his own
21:31Counter conditions
21:34Okay now I'm feeling it
21:35Come on the prescription
21:37Antacids are in my office
21:39Oof
21:44What do we got?
21:45Two victims
21:46Part of a program
21:47To help veterans
21:48Recover physically
21:49And mentally
21:49Unsubs targeting them
21:51Not killing them
21:52What is he?
21:53Oh shit
21:54Lobotomy
21:56Never mind
21:57Victimologist
21:58Connected through the
21:58Army recovery care program
21:59So he could have been
22:00A part of it
22:01Or rejected from it
22:02And now he's
22:02Taking revenge
22:03Lucky for us
22:05The US Army
22:05Does keep meticulous records
22:06Tyler could you do me a solid
22:08Voucher me with Agent Milliken
22:10Because then maybe
22:10I can get into ARC's files
22:12Men in uniform
22:13Either throw themselves at me
22:14Or throw me out of their office
22:17Is everything okay with Luke?
22:19Uh yeah I think so
22:21Why?
22:22I don't know
22:23Maybe it's nothing
22:24It just seems a bit
22:25See that is why
22:27I always consult
22:27The Oracle of Alphaz
22:30Penelope
22:30Is Luke okay?
22:31I don't know
22:33I don't know
22:34And if I did know
22:35I wouldn't tell
22:36Any of you
22:37Because I'm
22:38Not a gossip
22:39So let's get back to work
22:41Ski-daddle
22:49It's not the outcome
22:50Any of us wanted
22:51But the tumor spread
22:53There's nothing else
22:54We can do
22:57What am I
22:59What can I do?
23:00Well we have a choice
23:02If you want
23:03I can discharge her
23:04Or we can keep her here
23:06Keep her comfortable
23:11How much time does she have?
23:14Luke
23:15She's in a lot of pain
23:23Hey
23:26Hey
23:31Where's your head
23:32Where's your head?
23:34Excuse?
23:36They're starting to notice
23:39Okay
23:42I'll get it together
23:44Oh and one more thing
23:46Howard Newton
23:47The first lobotomy victim
23:49His wife
23:49Brought him in
23:54Are you up for this?
23:57I have to be
24:06This was
24:07Let me think
24:07About nine days ago
24:09Now
24:09I can't even make sense
24:11Of it really
24:12He called me to tell me
24:13He was coming home
24:14But then
24:14He never came home
24:16And when did you call
24:17The police?
24:18Midnight
24:19That night
24:19And when did they
24:21Find your husband?
24:22They didn't
24:23I did
24:25When the sun came up
24:26And he was still gone
24:27I started
24:28To just go crazy
24:29So I got in my car
24:30And I drove around
24:31And I found him
24:32Two blocks from our house
24:34So whoever did this
24:35Knew where you lived?
24:37I suppose
24:38Or maybe they
24:39Let Howard go
24:41And he recognized
24:42A few streets
24:43Hey
24:44Hey
24:44Hey
24:45Hey
24:46I'm here
24:47I'm here
24:48I'm here
24:48Shh
24:48Hey
24:48I'm here
24:49Shh
24:50Shh
24:51Shh
24:51I'm here
24:55That's all he can say
24:56Of my first name
24:58Kimberly
25:02Miss Newton
25:03We're
25:04We're trying to make a map
25:05Of where this man's
25:06Finding his victims
25:07And where he might be
25:08Leaving them
25:08Do you think you could
25:09Help us out?
25:10I can try
25:10I don't know how much
25:11I'm going to be able
25:12To give you though
25:12Okay
25:13No
25:13We appreciate that
25:15Luke
25:16Can you
25:17Yeah
25:17Sure
25:17I'll keep Major Newton company
25:19Right back
25:31No
25:32Your wife
25:32She'll be right back
25:33She's just in the other
25:34The other room
25:35Do you need something?
25:37No
25:38No
25:39No
25:39No
25:40No
25:41No
25:41Kill me
25:44Oh man
25:45Hey
25:46Kill me
25:47Oh man
25:48Just hang on
25:48Okay
25:49Kill me
25:50Just hang on
25:55It's alright
26:10This victim's name
26:11This victim's name is
26:11Theodore Nguyen
26:12Lobotomized
26:13Catatonic
26:14Like the others
26:15He was found outside
26:16His own office
26:17No cameras
26:18Where was this?
26:19Baltimore
26:21There's no art program
26:22In Baltimore
26:23That would track
26:23That would track because
26:24Mr. Nguyen
26:24Isn't associated with
26:25The military at all
26:26He's an acupuncturist
26:28Acupuncturist
26:29Yeah
26:29This surprised us too
26:30This guy is way outside
26:32Of this unsubstant victimology
26:34Is there any overlap
26:35Between acupuncture and art?
26:37No
26:38None
26:38We don't offer that
26:39As part of our services
26:41Acupuncturists treat pain
26:42Right?
26:43What did Nguyen specialize in?
26:45He advertised clinical therapies
26:47For headaches
26:48What kind of headaches?
26:49Migraines?
26:50Yeah
26:50In fact he promoted
26:52His unique therapy for it
26:53If the unsub is suffering
26:55From that
26:55It could be motivating him
26:56Don't lobotomize somebody
26:58For headaches
26:58He might if the pain
27:00Was bad enough
27:05What do they call
27:06The ones that your friend
27:07Suffered from?
27:08Cluster headaches
27:09They're so intense
27:10That they can cause
27:11Temporary vision changes
27:13Or it's
27:14They can lead to anxiety
27:15And aggression
27:17The pain is so bad
27:18That some patients
27:18Call them suicide headaches
27:20Let's just say
27:20This unsub suffered
27:21An injury in country
27:23Developed PTSD
27:24First he would try
27:25To manage it himself
27:26And push it down
27:27He'd push himself
27:28To the limit
27:29He's a soldier
27:30A warrior
27:31Yeah
27:31When that didn't work
27:32He would self-lagellate
27:34As in cut himself
27:35Or whip himself
27:36No
27:37Tattoos
27:38This guy has
27:39Full sleeves
27:39Both arms
27:40Probably his whole body
27:42They would be a marker
27:43Of the pain
27:44That he's trying to outrun
27:47Once he can't take it anymore
27:48He comes to Ark
27:49For some sort of relief
27:50He doesn't get it
27:51So he attacks the other vets
27:52He comes in contact with
27:53For not helping
27:53Yeah except
27:54Miss Garcia and I
27:55Checked with Ark
27:56Volunteer activity
27:57Is regularly documented
27:58And there's no
27:59Overlap between our two victims
28:00And any one particular patient
28:02Yeah but if he wasn't
28:03Evaluated correctly
28:04There would be no record
28:04Right
28:05Yeah
28:06Yeah
28:07Yeah that's right
28:08Then we need to talk
28:08To whoever the acupuncturist saw
28:10He's the outlier
28:11In terms of victimology
28:12Move all the suspect list
28:13Out of any veterans he treated
28:14Okay well we need to move quick
28:15It's only a matter of time
28:16Before he gets another headache
28:21Hey explain something to me
28:24If they're called suicide headaches
28:25Why is this soldier
28:26Going on the offense
28:28Because when you're a psychopath
28:29Right before you kill someone
28:30Your brain gets flooded
28:31With dopamine
28:32That would be
28:33The only chemical
28:34That would give him some relief
28:37But he's not killing them
28:38No
28:39Because then the pain
28:40Will be over
28:40He wants them
28:42To feel like he does
28:44Locked in
28:49Transport gate open
28:50Test one
28:51Test one
28:52Shibboleth
28:52Shibboleth
28:53I'm sure you're good with this
28:56Test two
28:57Test two
28:57Red leather
28:58Yellow leather
28:59Red leather
29:02For the record
29:03This is a secondary recording
29:04Of the Elias Voigt
29:05And Brian Garrity interview
29:06Mr. Garrity
29:07Do you consent to this recording
29:08I do
29:10Alright let's bring him in
29:11Oh wait
29:17Okay
29:17Now I'm ready
29:19I'm gonna make better help
29:20My bitch after this
29:31Wow
29:32I mean
29:33You are so
29:35Short
29:36Sorry
29:37I just mean
29:38I
29:38You know
29:38I was expecting
29:39To the episode
29:42Okay
29:47Welcome to
29:49The Sicarius Files
29:50Colon
29:50Elias Voigt
29:51Colon
29:52Man or mystery
29:53I'm your host
29:54Brian Garrity
29:55Today's episode
29:57Truly
29:58Amazing
29:59My guest
30:00The Sicarius
30:01Killer himself
30:02Elias Voigt
30:11Hello
30:14To set the scene
30:15For our listeners
30:16We are currently
30:16No you can't say
30:17Where he is
30:18Sorry
30:19Right
30:20Okay
30:21We are currently
30:22In prison
30:24So
30:25Elias
30:25May I call you Elias
30:31What is this
30:33What is this
30:37Please don't do that
30:38It puts the levels
30:39In the red
30:39Oh your levels
30:40Are in the red
30:41I'm sorry
30:41You're spreading lies
30:42About me
30:42And you're worried
30:43About your fucking levels
30:50Okay
30:51Okay
30:51I'm turning this off
30:52Right now
30:52No
30:55No
30:56You got yourself
30:57Into this little man
30:58There's no escaping now
31:00Are you gonna
31:03This was the deal
31:03We didn't approve the sign
31:08Look at me Ryan
31:09Just look at me
31:12Why are you telling your listeners
31:14That I was trained by the government
31:18Tell you what
31:20It's because it gives you
31:21An explanation for me
31:25It makes me seem smaller
31:28Do I seem small to you right now
31:30No
31:31You're sorry what
31:33No
31:33No
31:35Good
31:36And your podcast
31:37How much of it is
31:38Actually true
31:43None of it
31:43None of it
31:44Good
31:46Good
31:47Very good
31:47Now it's
31:48It's my turn
31:49To explain myself
31:51To you
31:51And you're not
31:52You're not
31:53Far off
31:55Takes a little man
31:56To be scared of someone
31:58Banging on the table
31:59But it
32:01Takes a little Erwan
32:02To resort to it
32:04There's
32:07Nothing romantic about me
32:09I'm not brilliant
32:10I'm not special
32:11I'm an anti-social psychopath
32:13Who can only get his heart rate up
32:15By killing people
32:17It's sad how pathetic I am
32:18But you know what's even more pathetic
32:21Someone who makes a show about it
32:24And anyone who listens to it
32:30Now we're done
32:55You knew that was gonna happen
32:56You knew Voight was gonna do that
32:58We told him no physical contact
33:00But yeah
33:01I had a feeling
33:02He would have something up his sleeve
33:08Hey take it easy
33:09I have to salvage the remains
33:11Of my flaming career
33:12You betrayed me
33:13I thought we were friends
33:16Oh Brian
33:17There's something I've been wanting to say
33:19For the better part of six years
33:20We are not friends
33:22All you have ever done
33:23Is make my life miserable
33:25So my job
33:26Is not to make your job easier
33:30Well
33:31How dare you
33:32You are a public servant
33:34To the public
33:35Not to you personally
33:37Oh you have me
33:39Siding with a convicted serial killer over you
33:42I don't know what I'm gonna do
33:44When my audience hears this episode
33:46They're gonna be furious
33:47At Voight's disdain for them
33:51You don't
33:52Have to post it
33:55I already pre-sold the advertising
33:57To a vegan only
33:58Meal kit delivery service
34:00And if there's one group
34:01You don't wanna cross
34:02It's Big Vegan
34:04Okay so
34:05So what if you
34:07Reframed it
34:08I mean maybe this is actually
34:10An opportunity
34:12What do you mean?
34:13The podcast pivot
34:15And didn't Voight just
34:17Hand you one
34:18On a silver platter?
34:20Yeah
34:21Yeah
34:24An episode where
34:26I find out the serial killer
34:28Is just a serial killer
34:31Oh that's good
34:33You are brilliant
34:35Okay
34:36Thank you
34:37I guess
34:38Hearing that from you
34:40Means something
34:48So what
34:50You've decided to kill him
34:52After all
34:53I did not
34:54But our Elias Voight
34:56Podcast problem
34:57Has come to an end
35:05Nobody on one's patient list
35:07Comes close to the profile
35:08But he did take a lot of walk-ins
35:10Who paid with cash
35:10Because they didn't have insurance
35:12That's just like the art program
35:13Right?
35:14I mean this unsub
35:15Is flying just under the radar
35:17When it comes to victimology
35:18Is there something about his headaches
35:19That we missed?
35:20Some other condition
35:21That he might have?
35:24Luke
35:27Yeah
35:28You got that
35:29Thinking but not saying it
35:31No
35:32But
35:36Alright what about this
35:37What about
35:39Chronic traumatic encephalopathy
35:41CTE
35:42Yeah we are treating that
35:43More and more
35:43Especially as we understand
35:45What concussions are doing
35:46To the brain
35:48CTE has been known
35:49To lead to violence
35:50I mean not always
35:50But yeah sometimes
35:51And worst of all
35:52It's like having a time bomb
35:53In your head
35:54Don't know you have it
35:55You can't even
35:56Diagnose it until an autopsy
35:59Do you think about that a lot
36:01I mean
36:03When you serve
36:03You're always thinking about
36:04Where the next hit's coming from
36:06Yeah
36:07Our guy probably thought about it
36:10And no matter where he goes
36:11He can't seem to get anybody
36:12To give him a straight answer
36:13On why he's so angry all the time
36:15And each time he gets angry
36:16He loses more and more control
36:18I mean take when
36:19Shove that
36:20Ice pick so far up
36:21Into his brain tissue
36:22And make contact
36:25I'm sorry but
36:26I need to know
36:27How you want to proceed
36:28Oh
36:31Okay
36:32Okay
36:34I need to see her
36:37Before we do anything
36:38I need to see her
36:38Well she'll
36:40Is she awake
36:41She's sleeping
36:42But I can wake her up for you
36:46Is this my fault
36:48Is this what your fault
36:50I would have brought her in sooner
36:52Maybe I'd have found the tumor earlier
36:53No
36:55That's not how this works
36:58No
37:01That's not how this works
37:04What
37:05CTE
37:06It's not how it works
37:07It's not how this unsub works
37:08How do you know that
37:09The violence associated with CTE
37:11Or cluster headaches for that matter
37:13It happens in bursts
37:15It's disorganized
37:17Impulsive
37:17Yeah but this unsub
37:19Is stalking his victims
37:20He's kidnapping them
37:22Right
37:22And then subjecting them to
37:24Sadistic torture
37:25That's highly organized
37:27So you're saying that
37:28He's not in pain at all
37:29No he is
37:30The victimology tells us that
37:32Then what has the same symptoms
37:33Matches cluster headaches
37:34Or CTE
37:35But is neither
37:36A tumor
37:38Like the Texas tower shooter
37:41Charles Whitman
37:42Yes
37:42He had a tumor
37:44Pressing down on his amygdala
37:45That's right
37:46That's right
37:47Before he started shooting
37:48He stabbed his wife and mother to death
37:50And in his suicide note
37:51He wrote
37:51That he knew
37:53There was something wrong
37:53Inside his head
37:54So this soldier
37:55Came to us for treatment
37:57Thinking
37:57He had a headache
37:59But
37:59But he had something worse
38:00Much worse
38:19Hello Doc
38:28Hey
38:28Our unsub is
38:30Sergeant David Graham
38:31Traffic cameras paint him
38:33Along with a passenger
38:35We've ID'd as neurologist
38:36Dr. Mark Trank
38:37We have to assume
38:39That's our next victim
38:39Anything else?
38:40Yeah
38:40Graham bounced from art to the VA
38:42A CAT scan revealed
38:43A glioblastomal cluster
38:45In his prefrontal cortex
38:46Operable?
38:47Yeah
38:47Yeah
38:47But risky
38:48Is it?
38:49It might get lobotomized risky
38:50The VA doc that I talked to
38:52Said that Graham refused
38:53To accept the diagnosis
38:55Alright
38:55Thanks
38:58Alves
39:00We've lost too many men already
39:02Copy
39:04Copy
39:04Copy
39:31What the fuck am I?
39:33What the fuck am I?
39:38David?
39:44You remember me
39:49I didn't think you would
39:52But I remember you
39:55You know what I remember
39:58I can fix you
40:00That's what you said
40:01I can fix you
40:03David
40:05But you can't
40:07Can you?
40:09I said that I can try to fix you
40:12But you said
40:13I can fix you
40:14You lied
40:19David
40:21Your tumor
40:22Your tumor
40:23Is located inside
40:24The folds of your brain
40:25I would never lie to you
40:27Not if I have integrity
40:30As the doctor
40:32Integrity?
40:37You wanna talk about
40:39Integrity?
40:53Let's go
40:53Let's go preach silently
40:54Follow our lead
40:55Once we're inside
40:55Let's go
40:57How well do you know your vibe?
41:05Let me tell you
41:06What I've learned
41:07About integrity
41:19They don't train me
41:22You know what they drilled into me
41:23Huh?
41:25Sergeant Graham
41:26What is the NCO creed
41:27Soldier?
41:28Sir
41:28To never compromise
41:29My integrity
41:30Or my moral courage
41:31Sir
41:31Soldier
41:32What is integrity?
41:34Sir
41:34Integrity means
41:35You will do and say
41:35Nothing that deceives others
41:36Sir
41:37You have no integrity
41:38I can fix you
41:40That's what you're fucking said
41:41Now it's my turn
41:42To fix you
41:43You need not fear
41:44The terror of the night
41:45Or the arrow
41:46That flies by day
41:48Though thousands
41:48Fall about you
41:49Near you
41:50You shall not touch
41:52You know that one
41:53David
41:55My squads used to pray
41:57That I'm going to go out
41:58On patrol
42:00Psalm 91
42:02That's right
42:04Soldier's prayer
42:07You serve?
42:08Yeah I did
42:10So did my partner here
42:12You know I've been praying
42:13Psalms 91 a lot
42:17That's not much good
42:19I know
42:22I know how you feel
42:29When I got back
42:30From my last tour
42:34I was losing my shit
42:35All the time
42:39At one point
42:40I even had my gun
42:41In my mouth
42:44I know what that metal
42:45Feels like
42:46Against your teeth
42:49I'm guessing you do too
42:53Yeah I do
42:56But I realized
42:57It wouldn't make me feel
42:57Any better
43:00But this
43:02This does
43:04I know
43:07I know
43:10So how come
43:11You're where you are
43:13And I'm where I am
43:18I went to ARP
43:21I asked for help
43:24And I tried that
43:27I know
43:31So what makes you so lucky
43:33Huh?
43:34What they do for you?
43:36What they do for you?
43:39They pair me up
43:42Yeah?
43:44With who?
43:47Someone I just lost
43:59Hey
44:02Hey
44:12Let me ask you something
44:14Does that even make a difference?
44:18You having a buddy?
44:21Yeah
44:25Yeah, she made a difference
44:26She made
44:27Made a big difference
44:32So what the fuck now, huh?
44:35You're gonna be my buddy?
44:38You're gonna come visit me in prison after all this?
44:42After all this?
44:43What are we gonna do, buddy?
44:46Trade war stories in the yard?
44:48Hey, if that's what you want
44:50I will
44:51I will
44:58I just don't want to hurt anymore
45:02I know
45:06But I can't let you hurt anyone else either, okay?
45:10Look down the ice, pig
45:13I don't want to see anyone else die this week
45:17Okay?
45:19Please
45:22Put it down
45:24Okay?
45:29It's clear
45:30Hey
45:32I'm not bullshitting you
45:35You want to talk to another soldier?
45:37I'll be there for you
45:38I mean that
45:43What's her name?
45:45The one they paired you up with
45:50Roxy
45:50I mean that's Roxy
46:04You know it, all right?
46:05I'm gonna get you out right now
46:09There's my girl
46:17I remember the first day of my bed
46:21He told me, he said
46:24He said, be careful
46:26She's a handful
46:29I said, good
46:32Sorry, I'm too
46:39She said, you saved my wife
46:41You saved my wife
46:41You saved my wife
47:27I will deliver him.
47:32I will protect him because he knows my name.
47:36Psalm 91.
47:39I liked your little show for the podcast.
47:44Performative violence.
47:46Nice touch.
47:47Yeah, sometimes you gotta give people what they want.
47:49Scare them and just get the carpet off from under them.
47:52Sure, you're not a monster.
47:54You're pathetic.
47:56Which means you don't have to tell anyone what you really did to Dean Orion.
48:09Oh, look at that.
48:12You can shut me up.
48:14Maybe you're not as pathetic as you let on.
48:17Yeah, maybe.
48:18Maybe, but then what was the point of defanging yourself?
48:21Was that for the listening audience or the BAU?
48:30You?
48:31Wait a minute.
48:33Wait a minute.
48:35Is that what this is all about?
48:37I don't know what you're talking about.
48:40You're analyzing this cell.
48:42Every guard, every door, every vulnerability.
48:45That's not true.
48:47I play guilty.
48:48I'm gonna pay for what I did.
48:49Hey.
48:50You can lie to your conscious self.
48:52But you can't lie to me.
48:54You're planning on your chance to escape.
49:02So we give Elias Voigt the last word.
49:06He wanted us to know how he feels.
49:09We owe him our attention, if not our approval.
49:15For the last time, this is Brian Garrity.
49:18Thank you for listening to the Sicarius Files.
49:24There's nothing romantic about me.
49:27I'm not brilliant.
49:29I'm not special.
49:30I'm an antisocial psychopath who can only get his heart rate up by killing people.
49:37It's sad how pathetic I am.
49:38But you know what's even more pathetic?
49:41Someone who makes a show about it.
49:43And anyone who listens to it.
49:45And anyone who listens to it.
49:47And anyone who listens to it.