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00:00Today, if nearly 80% of Americans are fed up with the economy, and many blame Donald Trump, how will
00:07this play to the public?
00:09I don't think about American's financial situation, I don't think about anybody.
00:13Plus, the senator who's frustrating his own party delivers an explosive accusation against them.
00:19More increasingly anti-American for me.
00:22Also, should black athletes boycott gerrymandered red states?
00:26The new calls to fight fire with football.
00:29And the first generation to grow up with smartphones is choosing to lose the booze.
00:35Here in studio, Arthur Idala, Carrie Champion, Harry Enten, and Congressman Kevin Kiley.
00:43It's the weekend. Join the conversation at a table for five.
00:59Hi, everyone. I'm Abby Phillip.
01:01When it comes to political gaffes, many of which have defined careers, we've heard about the dean's scream, binders full
01:08of women, voting for and against it.
01:10And it's legal because the president does it.
01:13And then there is Donald Trump.
01:15Because he floods the zones with daily and sometimes hourly blunders and moments, many Americans, particularly his own supporters, often
01:23give him a pass for it.
01:24But could this week's gaffe expose him on something that Americans are not willing to let slide?
01:32When you're negotiating with Iran, Mr. President, to what extent are American financial situations motivating you to make a deal?
01:40Not even a little bit.
01:41The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon.
01:46I don't think about American financial situation.
01:50I don't think about anybody.
01:53That is quite a thing to say out loud, especially considering that 77 percent of Americans are ticked off about
02:00their financial situation.
02:02Many of them blame Trump and his policies.
02:06And boy, did Republicans tie themselves in knots trying to defend what Trump said or claim that they didn't hear
02:13it at all.
02:15I don't know that he said that.
02:17I think that was just a sort of a throwaway line.
02:20Did he say that?
02:21I don't have a comment about that, mostly because I think he actually does care.
02:26I would have to find out the context of it.
02:29I'm sorry.
02:29Don't take it out of context.
02:30The American people love him.
02:31It's got to be out of context.
02:33I don't think there's anything he's more focused on.
02:35I don't know the context in which he made that comment.
02:37I don't think the president said that.
02:39I think that's a misrepresentation of what the president said.
02:43Well, you heard it yourself.
02:44And it does seem like in this moment when gas prices are $4.50 a gallon, it's a moment when
02:51even before the gas prices were $4.50 a gallon, Americans were not happy with how he's handling the economy.
02:57It just seems, Congressman, that this is just sort of going from bad to worse.
03:00Yeah, clearly people are struggling.
03:02In my state of California, we have the highest cost of living in the country.
03:06Gas is well over $6 a gallon.
03:09And whatever the context, obviously affordability for Americans needs to be front and center on the minds of all policymakers.
03:16So, you know, if I had to try to understand what he was saying, maybe he's trying to say that,
03:21look, we don't want the Iranians to think that they just inflict enough pain on Americans, then we'll reward them
03:26by saying they can have a nuclear weapon.
03:29You know, they've tried to wreak enough havoc on the global economy as it is.
03:32We don't want to incentivize it to do that more.
03:34But at the end of the day, every decision that we make in every policy domain needs to be squarely
03:39focused on how is this going to impact affordability.
03:41I totally agree with what he just said.
03:43But if you're President Trump, are you supposed to say, and maybe we're giving him more credit than he deserves
03:48how premeditated this was, but are you supposed to say, of course I care about the finances, of course I
03:55care about the midterms, of course I care, because you're basically telling Iran, keep blocking the straight, screw up our
04:01economy as much as possible.
04:03That's the biggest damage you can do to us.
04:06And you don't tell your adversary what your weakest point is.
04:09You can definitely say, yes, of course I care about it.
04:12Yes, you should say that, Frank.
04:13The pain that Americans are going through.
04:15I mean, it is totally possible to say Iran should not have a nuclear weapon.
04:18And also, we see your pain.
04:20We understand that you're going through something.
04:22Here's the problem with that argument.
04:24First of all, you're trying to assume what he meant, and we don't know what he meant.
04:27You sound like the context of it all, and I don't want to hear that if I'm an American.
04:30We got the latest polls.
04:3124% of Americans, those are the only ones who actually think we should actually be at war, and this
04:37is not an issue.
04:37I'll tell you what I do know.
04:39He could have easily said, yes, I care.
04:42I really do care.
04:43But you know what?
04:44We got a billion dollar, literally, I don't know how much, I honestly don't know how much his ballroom is,
04:49but his priorities are not the American people.
04:51I'm going to tell you that we've got a ballroom that he cares about.
04:54You seem like a ballroom person.
04:55I don't care about a ballroom.
04:56You are a ballroom person.
04:56I don't care about a ballroom.
04:57He cares about a ballroom.
04:59He can tell you he cares about his ballroom, but he doesn't care about our finances.
05:01Do you agree that our safety is more important than our economy?
05:04In a general sense.
05:06Let me tell you, do you believe Americans think they're more safe because we're at war with Iran?
05:09Be honest.
05:10I think.
05:11The majority of Americans do not.
05:12The latest poll has said that.
05:14Iran is a very formidable enemy of the United States.
05:17We are their number one target.
05:18Do you think most Americans feel more safe right now because we are at war?
05:27The vast majority of Americans are against this war, and regardless of what exactly he did
05:35mean, the context matters, but also, here's what also matters.
05:41Democrats love that comment.
05:43They're going to cut it and put it in so many ads before the midterm elections.
05:46My goodness gracious.
05:47It's a dopey comment from that perspective.
05:50And more than that, we're talking about 79% of Americans disapprove of Donald Trump on
05:54gas prices.
05:55That is the highest percentage that any president has had disapproving them on gas prices.
06:00And any question I could possibly find, we're talking about, when we're talking about inflation,
06:05right, we're talking about the worst polls ever for any president belong to Donald John
06:10Trump.
06:11He's doing worse than Carter.
06:12He's doing worse than Joe Biden did in his last term.
06:16When you put it all together, you just go, man alive, man.
06:20What are you doing?
06:22Well, if it were just that one thing, that would be enough.
06:26But here's Trump on Thursday, again, downplaying the state of the economy.
06:31Listen.
06:34You know, when they talk about high prices, I inherited the high prices.
06:37I'm getting them down.
06:38I've got them down incredibly.
06:40People are finding other places to buy oil, like Texas.
06:44Like, so I don't want to say we're making a fortune.
06:46You understand that?
06:47Because if I say, they're going to say, oh, he forgets about the little man, you know,
06:51with the $4 gasoline.
06:56Okay, it's not true, actually, that he inherited high prices, gas prices, or otherwise.
07:02So, but Trump is living in this world in which he can still blame Biden for everything, and
07:07yet Americans are saying, the clock is ticking on your term.
07:11You promised us that you would do something about it.
07:13Yeah, so given those expectations, I think the frustration is understandable.
07:17I mean, it is true that we had record inflation in many ways during the prior administration, too.
07:22It's also true that the state that I'm from, California, prices are way higher than in any
07:26other state in the country.
07:27We have among the highest grocery prices, highest housing costs, highest gas and electricity
07:31rates in the country.
07:32So, there's plenty of blame to go around.
07:35I think that is the problem, though, with the way Washington functions right now, is that
07:39all of the energy is focused on, okay, who can we blame for the problem, as opposed
07:43to trying to come together to actually solve the problem.
07:45And he said he'd fix it.
07:47And the bottom line is-
07:47He has not.
07:48He has not.
07:49The buck stops there.
07:50And, you know, you can look at the inflation charts, right?
07:52You could see it was going down, down, and then all of a sudden, it's come right back
07:56up, right?
07:57And a lot of that is obviously gas prices with the latest CPI report.
08:01And so, you just look at all of the stats that are on the table, and Americans have turned
08:06against President Trump because he promised one thing, and then the reality they're living
08:10in is not matching their expectations.
08:12It feels really personal.
08:13It feels really personal to everyone, meaning, like, I feel like I'm paying for this war
08:18when I go to fill up my gas tank.
08:19I don't try, but I'm giving you the point of the matter.
08:22It feels really personal for people when they're going to the grocery market.
08:26Yes, correct.
08:27I'm fancy.
08:28I take the subway, and I walk, because I can't afford it anymore.
08:31I can't even Uber anymore.
08:33Very good.
08:33Because it's too expensive.
08:34But what about what the congressman just said?
08:36He highlighted that California, which I think is a pretty democratically run state, is the
08:42worst in the whole United States of America.
08:45We were paying more for gas before the conflict in Iran than the rest of the country is paying
08:49now two months into the country.
08:50That's true.
08:50But it is also true that the increase relative to what it was before has actually been higher
08:57in some red states and purple states, like places like Michigan and elsewhere, for other reasons.
09:03So California has its own problems, lots of them.
09:06You're not going to.
09:07You can all agree on that?
09:07Yeah, exactly.
09:08Thank you.
09:08But don't be mistaken.
09:10Middle America is feeling this right now.
09:12I absolutely agree with you.
09:13And President Trump ended the week on this very high-stakes trip to China, where part of
09:19the goal, I think, was that maybe he might get China to help out with the Iran situation.
09:25But here is what he said as he ended this trip on Friday.
09:41I'm not asking for any favors, because when you ask for favors, you have to do favors in
09:46return.
09:47We don't need favors.
09:51I think it's a fair point, because, hey, nothing is free in this world.
09:56You ask China for something, they're going to want something back.
09:59But at the same time, if it is true that China is maybe not doing anything at all, then it
10:05seems like we really are in a stalemate on this Iran conflict, which means we could be
10:09looking at a Strait of Hormuz that's closed for months and months and months with no end.
10:14And the American people are going to be paying, literally paying the price for that.
10:18Well, you know, I was critical of people who criticized Joe Biden about us leaving Afghanistan
10:24because everybody wanted to do it, and no one had the guts to do it, including Donald
10:28Trump in his first term.
10:28Well, Trump was the one who set the date, actually.
10:30Right.
10:31I said including Donald Trump.
10:33So Biden did it.
10:33He ripped the Band-Aid off, and it didn't go as well as it could have or should have.
10:38But he did it.
10:39The thing with Iran, look, nobody knows the truth.
10:43We all hear things, but someone needed to put them in check.
10:47Someone needed to back them off.
10:49Now, if you want to say it was for Israel, if you want to say it's for America, if you
10:52want to say it's for Sicily, which is in their range of dropping a bomb, but he's doing what
10:58he believes is saving maybe the world.
11:01I mean, if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, we all know a nuclear weapon could wipe out the
11:06world, and he's doing it.
11:08And it may be a gamble that he's absolutely going to lose, or it may be a gamble that he's
11:13absolutely going to win, and we're in the middle of it, and the people are suffering.
11:17I'm not denying that.
11:18I know how much it costs to fill up a car in Brooklyn, New York, but he's doing it, and
11:24we're in the middle of it, and I think he's doing the best he can.
11:26Obviously, he shouldn't have said what he said, but I understand his point saying, yes,
11:31people are struggling financially, but I want to make sure people are still going to be
11:35people in 25 years, when my grandchildren grow up, and that Iran cannot blow up the world.
11:42Because they're that nuts.
11:43He does have to, I mean, all of that is right, only if he comes out the winner.
11:49It's a huge gamble, and that's what you're saying.
11:52Next for us, one of the Democratic Party's most infamous senator says that his party is
11:56becoming increasingly anti-American, we'll discuss.
12:00Plus, some celebrities are calling on black athletes to boycott the SEC schools where
12:05Republican states are redrawing their maps.
12:12Welcome back.
12:13He's the senator who neither side of the aisle can understand.
12:18Democrats criticize John Fetterman for cozying up to MAGA and to Donald Trump, and Republicans
12:23are privately trying to get him to switch sides.
12:26But he is publicly refusing.
12:28But even if they can't recruit him, they are enjoying his many criticisms of his own party,
12:35including this one.
12:38It's much more about the minimum wage and some other very basic kinds of things.
12:43And now that's just turned into much more standing with Cuba, standing with Venezuela, standing
12:51with the Iranian regime, and turned that into much more, becoming more increasingly anti-American
12:59for me.
13:00So my views really haven't changed that much.
13:05All right.
13:06So, Congressman, I'm going to come to you on this one again, because you're sort of maybe
13:11in a similar boat, perhaps.
13:14But do you think that you see a sort of ideology, principles behind what Fetterman is doing,
13:22or is it contrarianism?
13:25I don't know if I'd say it's contrarianism.
13:26I mean, I think he's someone who speaks his mind and doesn't feel the need to adhere to
13:30some set of talking points, or to some ideology, or to, you know, whatever the party's position
13:36is.
13:36I think that that's refreshing.
13:37I might not agree with him on everything, but I think we actually need more people who
13:41are willing to exercise a degree of independence.
13:44I'm an independent in the House, even if you're not formally an independent.
13:47I think we'd be better off as a country if you had people who were willing to, you know,
13:51kind of speak their mind, regardless of what the party thinks.
13:54Excellent.
13:56Well, you know, one of the criticisms, the reason I ask that is because...
13:59No, excellent.
13:59I mean, you know, I don't know how close you are with Tom Suozzi, but he's the congressman
14:04here, and he has the Common Sense Caucus, and he's a Democrat, but he's with the Republicans.
14:08I don't know how many there are in there, but he's trying to do what you're doing.
14:11It's like, let's speak with one voice as Americans, not as a right, left, purple, green,
14:16you know, let's just do what common sense to do.
14:17Well, we can't speak with one voice.
14:18That's not feasible in the world that we live in today.
14:21Well, we're trying to, and it's so partisan, it's so red and blue.
14:26It wasn't always that way.
14:28Well, when he said it was anti-American, it's not always anti-American if you disagree with
14:31someone, and I think what he is actually doing is not listening to his constituents while
14:35he sits up here and says that it's anti-American because they don't agree with him.
14:38I agree about that.
14:39And I know that, like, he's just not listening to his people.
14:42Well, I don't know.
14:42That's his own personal view.
14:44That's not what it should be.
14:45And I know that you love him already.
14:47You're this man.
14:48You're like, oh, excellent.
14:49Oh, excellent.
14:50You're the best.
14:51I love you.
14:53I love you.
14:54I love you.
14:55I love you.
14:55I love you.
14:55I love you.
14:56I agree with Terry on the un-American part because, I mean, what Fetterman is partly talking
15:01about is this idea that if you criticize the war, if you criticize the president, it's
15:09veering on un-American.
15:11Yeah, I think we should be very reluctant to characterize anyone as anti-American.
15:16You can certainly criticize whether someone's actions are consistent with our country's
15:20principles.
15:21But I do disagree with the other comment that we don't have the capacity to come together
15:25as a country.
15:25I think we do have the capacity, but we can't just say that we should speak in one voice.
15:29That's unfair because of our experience.
15:32That's fair.
15:32But I think that our disagreement...
15:33My experience is not your experience.
15:34Sure.
15:34So you can't speak for me.
15:36You can understand me and you can relate to me, but there's no way that you can't perform
15:39Yeah, that's fair.
15:40I think that we want to have a foundation of common shared principles, and then that is
15:44the foundation upon which we hash out those differences.
15:46I feel like there's a difference between contrarianism and poking the bear, which often seems like
15:52what Senator Fetterman is doing.
15:55And look, he's been rewarded with one of the biggest shifts I've ever seen within his own
15:59party in terms of popularity ratings.
16:01His net popularity, his net approval rating has shifted like 100 points in the wrong direction
16:06among Democrats from where he was at the start of his term.
16:09It's been pretty amazing.
16:09He's now 40 points underwater with Democrats.
16:12He is in a positive net approval rating with Republicans, and that leaves him in the political
16:17wilderness whereby he is being cited, you know, oftentimes on Fox News while Democrats are
16:23consistently distancing themselves from him.
16:25And I just have to wonder what exactly is his political future.
16:29So just to that point, this clip of Fetterman on Bill Maher's show has been going around
16:36for the last few days because I think to some Democrats or liberals, it seems to suggest
16:42exactly what Harry's is saying, which is that he's what he's really doing is poking the
16:46bear, not really advancing any sort of broader principles about what he believes is right
16:51for the country.
16:52Just listen to this.
16:54It's at the same time horrifying and also like it's kind of like refreshing.
17:00It's shockingly the honesty as someone who loves honesty and has made my career about
17:05it as much as I could.
17:07It is it's this there's some level of it where you tip your hat and you go, wow, total honesty.
17:16You I think you're a horrible person and I'm just going to say it.
17:19The ultimate the quiet piggy.
17:22Right.
17:24Yeah.
17:26That's the president of America.
17:30So he's talking there about Trump saying to a female reporter, quiet piggy.
17:35And I mean, it's interesting because, I mean, Fetterman is the one who brings it up and
17:40is laughing about it.
17:41But again, this is why it goes for some liberals beyond, well, we disagree on policy issues.
17:47He's to them.
17:48It's a character thing.
17:48Well, to your point, plunk of the bear.
17:50I like he's doing this, at least to me.
17:52I don't think that he's doing this because he wants to unify and have one voice and be
17:56a part of the common sense caucus.
17:57There is something more there that is happening.
18:00And he tried to say, I think I was reading an article and he said, you know, I do vote
18:04more
18:05democratically.
18:05He was like, it's just these certain issues that I just don't agree.
18:08I was having dinner with someone the other night and they were dead set on why they liked
18:13Fetterman.
18:13They thought that he was a tough guy.
18:15He had his own opinion.
18:16He was doing what he wanted to do.
18:18And he was speaking from his heart.
18:20There is something about, and I can't, because I'm not a white man.
18:23I don't know if you don't know that.
18:24I can't relate to that.
18:27But I can't relate to that, that tough guy, that machismoism that I'm feeling and hearing.
18:32And certain men really respond to that.
18:35And I think when you hear him say anti-American, I think he thinks what Trump is doing is tough
18:40and strong and leader and those things he relates to.
18:45And people are giving him credit for being, or Bill Maher saying, it's so refreshing to
18:49see how honest you are.
18:50And in my mind, I'm all like, well, is he being honest or is he being a frat boy?
18:54No, I think he's being honest.
18:55I think he's being both, by the way.
18:57I think he's being honest.
18:58But you're the president of the United States.
18:59You can't talk like that.
19:01But I'm the oldest person at this table.
19:02You don't dress like that when you're a United States senator.
19:05I mean, you just don't.
19:07That's a losing battle.
19:08Yeah, it's not going to happen.
19:08I know.
19:09Well, he did.
19:10He won the battle, right?
19:11Initially, there's a rule that you're not allowed on the floor without a coat and a jacket
19:15and a tie.
19:16But somehow or another, he's gotten around it.
19:18But the flip side of the coin is he wants that Ronald Reagan perception of America.
19:25He who?
19:26He who?
19:26A veteran?
19:27Yeah.
19:27He wants that rah, rah.
19:29And I think that's the piece that Trump kind of does bring into the narrative.
19:33It's a 250-year anniversary, and I think people want to feel that patriotism.
19:38So is, oh, go ahead.
19:39You can.
19:39I was just going to say, is the case really that Fetterman is that much of a contrarian
19:43or that much of a bear poker?
19:44Or has the willingness to go against party orthodoxy, even on a single issue, just become
19:49so entrenched that when anyone does it, it seems like totally out of the way?
19:53Well, it's sort of like we were discussing the Supreme Court.
19:56And it's like most of the cases you don't even hear about because they're unanimous.
19:59But on the ones that matter, they're not.
20:02And I think that's what's happening with Fetterman.
20:03Well, no, Abby, those unanimous ones matter.
20:06The Supreme Court cases, they matter.
20:07But on the big, hard issues, like the truly difficult issues, this is where Fetterman gets
20:13in trouble.
20:14It's because on those issues, that's when he tends to break with his party, which is why
20:18we end up talking about it.
20:19But next for us, the battle over redistricting now finding a new front, the sports world.
20:25Some Democrats are saying that black athletes should turn down SEC offerings to play at colleges
20:31where the voting lines are being redrawn.
20:38Fight fire with fire.
20:39That is what many Democrats are being called to do in America's redistricting wars.
20:44But now some are calling on black athletes to step up the fight.
20:48Actor Wendell Pierce says that they should boycott the SEC as punishment for gerrymandering
20:53efforts in southern states.
20:54He also says that the athletes are generating billions for these schools and should transfer
20:59or decommit.
21:00Now remember, Louisiana, Alabama, and Tennessee are all moving to eliminate black majority
21:04districts after the Supreme Court's green light.
21:08Carrie, what do you think about this?
21:10I think that's a tough ask.
21:11I really do.
21:13I like the idea.
21:14This has been floated around before.
21:16This is not the first time we've heard this about making sure that black athletes who go
21:20to these schools, not necessarily just in the SEC back in the day, but just try to go to
21:24an HBCU.
21:26However, the way in which it is set up, these athletes know that it's hard to ask an athlete
21:30who can change his life overnight to not go to a school that could help his family.
21:34It's the NIL money that they are getting that they will be promised.
21:37If you tell a kid, I can give you upward of a million dollars, you know what, but pause,
21:41don't take that money.
21:42We want to stand for something and we want you to go here.
21:45It's going to be really hard to get them to say that they don't want to do that.
21:48Don't go to LSU.
21:49Yeah, don't go to LSU.
21:50Don't go to Georgia.
21:51Don't go to Alabama.
21:52But I love the idea of that because they do have so much power and they do and they don't
21:58use it.
21:58They don't leverage the power that they have.
22:00And oftentimes, especially since NIL has been in place, oftentimes these kits have been used
22:05for so many different reasons.
22:06They would make billions of dollars for these schools and just get a free education.
22:11And while that's great, I love a free education, their mothers can pay their bills.
22:15They can have lunch money.
22:16All these different simple issues.
22:18And so I'm stuck in some situations where I want to say, yes, this would be great to do
22:22it.
22:22But I know it's a tough aspect.
22:23Well, you know, it's also maybe even unfair to ask athletes that are at the very beginning
22:30of their careers.
22:30You know, like when the Ali's of the world were pushing back on, you know, segregation
22:35and racism, these are people who were titans already in their athletic world.
22:41And it just feels like, I mean, I get the idea, but it's a hard ask for that reason.
22:46Well, I think Ali, that's a great example.
22:49He actually did lose his career in the process because he knew what it would cost.
22:53But very few people are like that.
22:55They look at Colin Kaepernick, and that is a story to tell.
22:57That is a story of this is a cautionary tale.
23:00This is what happens if, in fact, you do try to take a stand.
23:02And I don't know if they have the fortitude to do that at such a young age.
23:05You know, all I would say is you're asking a lot of 17 and 18-year-old people.
23:11I mean, that's really it.
23:12And look, obviously, 17 and 18-year-old people have changed the world.
23:15But in some ways, you know, you're still just a kid when you're 17 or 18-year-olds old.
23:19And to the point that everyone's been making, they have their entire careers out ahead of them.
23:24And you're asking a lot.
23:26Maybe they do want to make that sacrifice.
23:28But, again, it's just asking so much of people who have everything out in front of them.
23:35I agree with that.
23:36And if someone chooses to do that, more power to them.
23:38But I think that a proposal like this, it sort of reflects the sense that ordinary citizens
23:43have kind of lost the feeling that they have a voice in our government.
23:46And this is especially true with this whole redistricting, gerrymandering war,
23:50where suddenly politicians are manipulating the map so that they get to choose their voters
23:53rather than the voters choosing their politicians.
23:56So I absolutely encourage...
23:57Congressman, you know that's been going on forever.
23:59Well, but the new mid-decade redistricting phenomenon is pretty new.
24:04Yes.
24:04And this domino effect, this war, this mutually assured destruction.
24:07We now have, like, literally dozens of states that have redistricted or are going to.
24:11I think it represents everything that's wrong with politics right now, and it's going to weaken our democracy.
24:16And it's also, I mean, it's becoming a zero-sum game.
24:20I mean, I think it was bad before, but it's getting worse.
24:24The Democrats are not throwing in the towel, obviously.
24:28Hakeem Jeffries and his allies, according to CNN, have designed plans over the next two years
24:32to push Democratic-held states to set aside nonpartisan redistricting rules
24:37or gerrymander even more aggressively with an eye toward producing a dozen or more
24:42new Democratic-held seats by November 2028.
24:45They're eyeing seats from Oregon to New York in an effort that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
24:51It is a situation where, yeah, I mean, there are plenty of states where it's been lopsided,
24:56but now we're going to zero, right?
24:58Tennessee, it's 9-0, not 9-1 like it was before, 9-0.
25:04Well, I was in the Supreme Court when Justice Alito read his decision,
25:09and he talked about the state of Wyoming, which hasn't voted for a Democratic president in,
25:18I don't know, 100 years.
25:2064, I want to say.
25:21He gave the year the last time that they voted for it, and he basically was like,
25:26So are we supposed to change the laws so that the people in Wyoming who want to vote for
25:32a Democratic president for the first time, or are we supposed to let the voters do what
25:36the voters want to do?
25:38To me, what's frustrating from all of these battles is if you put a redistricting measure
25:43on every state ballot, you would essentially find that the clear majority of people that
25:48we should have some form of nonpartisan redistricting, some sort of rules that we could all agree to.
25:52But we've entered sort of this death spiral, right?
25:56Whereby one does it, therefore the other does it.
25:59I don't know where it's going to end exactly.
26:01Are we just going to have a bunch of slew across the boards of lopsided states and whereby,
26:06you know, it's 9-0, 8-1, 10-2.
26:09But it feels like a very targeted effort.
26:12Not even feels.
26:13It is a targeted effort to black voters to dilute the black vote.
26:16That's what we're not talking about.
26:18It sounds like, yes, you don't want this idea of redistricting and it's awful, but it is
26:22an attack on black voters and black representation, and it feels really personal to me, and
26:27we can talk around it, and you can say it's been happening since the beginning of time,
26:31but it is an organized effort, and it is disgusting, and it needs to stop.
26:37Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you about the SEC, that area of America, but in my congressional
26:42district in Brooklyn, when they redrew it, we have the only Republican in the whole city,
26:47Nicole Malliotakis, when they redrew it, that was ruled unconstitutional, they picked Staten
26:53Island, and then they jumped over to different sections of Brooklyn that have been not contiguous
26:57in any way, shape, or form, and to the most liberal part, so that the liberal vote would
27:03outdo the Republican vote, and maybe a Democrat could actually win.
27:06Now, it had nothing to do with race.
27:07It just had to do with turning over that seat.
27:10The Supreme Court said, no, no, no, you can't have a congressional district that's from here
27:14and here and here, and they're so far apart, the congressperson can't even represent that
27:18district.
27:19So there are areas where you're 100% correct, and they have to do with race, but I think
27:23a lot of it has to do with the partnership.
27:27You heard what Hakeem Jeffries just said.
27:29He didn't say we're going to get more black districts.
27:31He said we're going to get more Democratic districts, so that they have the votes.
27:35That's because that's what the Supreme Court said he's allowed to do.
27:37Because that's what the Constitution says he's allowed to do.
27:40The Supreme Court has said that, but Congress can change that.
27:42Congress can say we don't have any more partisan gerrymandering.
27:46Congress can say that we have independent commissions in every state.
27:49And by the way, Congress can also say we don't do mid-decade redistricting.
27:52That's how we end this.
27:53I've actually introduced legislation to do just that.
27:56And even Hakeem Jeffries said that he would essentially stop this whole redistricting spree if
28:00Well, it has to be national, otherwise it's not going to work anymore if Democrats just
28:06do it and Republicans don't.
28:08Next here for us, a new study shows that teens are drinking less.
28:11And that sounds like good news, but some see some trouble in the reasons why we'll discuss.
28:21The relationship between teenagers and alcohol is on the rocks.
28:24According to a University of Michigan study, 48% of high school seniors have had a drink
28:30in their lifetimes.
28:31But that is a dramatic collapse from 90% in 1975.
28:36And while that sounds like a positive development, it's because of, is it because of healthy habits
28:41or antisocial behavior?
28:43Well, after all, this is the first generation whose formative years have included these dreaded
28:48smartphones.
28:49Well, can I just say on a personal note?
28:52Yes, please.
28:5290% of teens drinking is a shock to me.
28:56Did not realize that.
28:57I didn't drink in high school.
28:59Well, of course, the drinking age was when we were back then.
29:00Of course you didn't, Abby.
29:02Was I that uncool?
29:03I know.
29:05I was with you.
29:05I should not ask Harry.
29:06Harry's the last person I said.
29:08I know.
29:08I am the least cool person on the face of the planet.
29:11I spent Saturday nights at home with my parents on the couch watching episodes of Blue Blood.
29:16That was my life, right?
29:17So when I hear all of these studies about how little sex teenagers are having, how little drinking
29:22they're having, I say, man alive, I came 20 years too early.
29:26I would have been in such better shape.
29:28You're not out of your time.
29:28That's another way of saying I'm always ahead of the trends.
29:31It would have been great for this health maxing thing that's going on now.
29:33Abby, here's a serious question.
29:35Is it because, I don't know what it says because, because I bet you marijuana use is way up from
29:43that same effect.
29:44Especially with the gummies and the edibles and the vaping.
29:47I mean, it used to be, you smoke, you go into these stores and it's like, oh, what's going on?
29:52By the way, it's legal.
29:54Derek Thompson from The Atlantic, he had a bunch of suggestions.
29:58He says, it's remarkable how many independent secular trends are anti-alcohol right now.
30:03Just off the top of my head, GLP-1s, these are the weight loss drugs that some people say make
30:08you
30:08drink less.
30:09Post-1970s rise of helicopter parenting.
30:12Reaction to binge drinking in the late 20th century.
30:15Phones killing teenage partying.
30:17A surge in adult fitness.
30:19Dancing clubs are down.
30:20Running clubs are up.
30:22And health maxing, especially among yippies, maha folks, but also boys.
30:28I mean, what's it, looks maxing that the guys are doing?
30:31Yeah.
30:32Listen, the whole thing about drinking is where, but in other, this is interesting to me,
30:36only because, and yes, it probably is about, has to do with different habits and different
30:39technology that is available.
30:41And then the Gen Z, the glaze, the glare that they give you, they just stare at you when you
30:45ask for help and they just look at you.
30:46But I've noticed, when I used to work in tennis, I went to Europe and what happens is, is that
30:54even at, and this is at, I'm talking about an event, we're at the French Open and they
30:59have these little wine bottles that are in the refrigerator and you're in this big cafeteria,
31:04a public cafeteria where everyone goes to eat when in between matches or just, you know,
31:09maybe taking a break from watching the tennis, I would see teenagers, and by teenagers, I mean
31:1513, 14 years old, grabbing some wine, putting it right down, no big deal, and they'd be sitting
31:19with their parents drinking wine.
31:21In other countries, Europe in particular, it's not a big deal.
31:24So that's, so it's interesting to me now that we are actually taking that sensibility here,
31:29but it has everything to do with technology.
31:31Well, people are, people are not.
31:33I like to drink.
31:34Okay, so the other trends, right, are more, fewer and fewer people are spending time at
31:41social events now.
31:43And it seems particularly acute among young people, which is interesting, and much more
31:49time spent alone among 15 to 29 year olds.
31:53I mean, maybe the smartphone is behind that.
31:55Maybe it's because many, many of them are coming, coming of age in COVID and they just
31:59couldn't, but I don't know.
32:00What is it?
32:01No, no, I would, I would just, once again, I was 20 years too early, but in another way,
32:06I would just say that on a lot of these issues, you know, whether it be, you know, drug use
32:10going down, smoking, going down, drinking, going down, social conservatism from 40 years
32:16ago has won on a lot of these issues.
32:19You know, we oftentimes talk about social liberalism, you know, a gay marriage, for example, winning,
32:24you would never have thought of that in the mid eighties, but in many ways, social conservatism
32:28has won.
32:29Now, obviously there are some issues where it's perhaps not as healthy, right?
32:32The idea of not going out and hanging out with your friends.
32:35But in other ways, it's really just a flip on a dime in which, you know, I guess, Nancy
32:40Reagan, at the end of the day, kind of won in some ways.
32:44Just say no to drugs?
32:45I mean, I think that it is unequivocally a good thing that high schoolers are consuming
32:49less alcohol.
32:49However, I will say it reminds me of, you know, some years ago, maybe 10 years ago, I started
32:53noticing that kids when they turned 16 just didn't care about getting their driver's license.
32:57Yes!
32:57Yes!
32:58Right?
32:58When I was turned 16, I just, I was counting the days.
33:00I couldn't wait.
33:00I got caught stealing my father's car.
33:02No, yes, exactly.
33:04I think the reason is that, you know, being able to physically go from place to place isn't
33:08as important when your phone is so central to your existence.
33:10I feel like we're forgetting a couple of things, too.
33:11The pandemic, some of these kids were like, they were shut down for some time and they
33:15got used to that.
33:16Which means you should be drinking more!
33:18No, I will.
33:19Or gaming is on the rise.
33:22No, it's not the way to go.
33:23I have another theory that is more optimistic.
33:26I think maybe these kids realize that there's more to life than drinking and sort of getting
33:32no.
33:32I'm kidding.
33:33And look, the health maxing is about living longer, better lives.
33:38And if they're realizing that at 18, great.
33:40More power to that.
33:41I think this is a great thing.
33:42Abby, have you been talking to my wife?
33:43Is that where she's getting this narrative from?
33:47Maybe, maybe.
33:48All right.
33:48All right.
33:48Next for us, the panel's unpopular opinions, but they're not afraid to say out loud.
33:52But first, a quick programming note for you.
33:54This weekend, Kara Swisher meets an AI version of herself and asks, is immortality a fantasy
34:00or the key to life?
34:02Be sure to watch the back-to-back final episodes of Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever tonight
34:07at 9 p.m. on CNN and the next day on the CNN app.
34:16We are back and it's time for your unpopular opinions.
34:18Arthur, you're up.
34:19Well, I am tired of being shamed if I sport anything white before Memorial Day or after
34:26Labor Day.
34:26There's plenty of light-colored things.
34:28I have a white straw fedora.
34:30I like wearing white pants.
34:31But, you know, my friend over here, she's like, Arthur, it's only April.
34:36Why are you wearing white?
34:36Do not roll your neck like that.
34:39That's very inappropriate.
34:41Well, you always are yelling.
34:42So I want to be able to wear white in April.
34:44You know, I'm with you on that one.
34:45Yeah!
34:47She looks amazing.
34:49And I'm in white.
34:50And it's before Memorial Day, people.
34:52It's almost like off-white, though, but it looks great.
34:53Yes, it's great.
34:54I want everyone to pay attention to their latest reality star.
34:57Whomever your latest reality star is that you love and care about and they cross over into
35:01mainstream America, they might be your next president, your next mayor, your next whatever
35:07it may be.
35:08I am talking about from my home state of California, Spencer Pratt.
35:12I used to watch this kid on reality TV and the fact of the matter, he's a man now, that
35:18he has a real shot at becoming the mayor of Los Angeles is scary as hell to me.
35:24But why would it not be the case?
35:25We have a history of producing actors, reality stars, et cetera, you name it, and they become
35:30politicians.
35:31Donald Trump.
35:32So there you go.
35:34All right.
35:34I'm going to take this in a totally different direction.
35:36I think I actually may prefer the taste of sherbet to ice cream.
35:41And the reason I say that is because I get the refreshing...
35:45That's bold.
35:45Thank you.
35:46I like making bold opinions.
35:47That's bold.
35:48I'm with you.
35:48Bold statements on CNN.
35:50I like the refreshingness of the fruit flavor of the sherbet while also getting that creamy
35:55texture that you get in a sherbet.
35:57So it's right in between the sorbet and the ice cream.
36:00It's perfect for summertime.
36:01America, I know you're with me.
36:04It's bad.
36:05That is a bad take.
36:06All right.
36:07It's a great take.
36:07I look forward to seeing how that goes over in your next poll.
36:10So I'm an elected official who has repeatedly proposed getting rid of perks for elected officials,
36:15which has not been popular with a number of my colleagues.
36:17So, for example, I've said we shouldn't have a, you know, elected officials, members of
36:22Congress skip TSA at airports.
36:24We shouldn't get salaries during government shutdowns.
36:26Shouldn't be allowed to trade stocks.
36:28When I was in the California legislature, there was a secret DMV that only politicians
36:32got access to.
36:33I propose shutting it down.
36:34So not popular among my colleagues, but I think broadly popular with the American people.
36:38That was a widespread.
36:39The secret DMV would be deeply...
36:42Everyone, thank you so much.
36:44And thank you for watching Table for Five.
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