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00:00It's a 2-2 series, hello.
00:02Kenny, how do you feel about living in Spida's world?
00:07How do you feel about being engrossed in the world of Spida?
00:10Uh, I feel good about it. I feel good.
00:14I'm not playing your stupid tricks and your stupid games, and I'm not falling for it.
00:18And the first sentence is back, no.
00:20Welcome back, Kenny, by the way.
00:21Yeah, whatever.
00:22How long has he been a Cleveland Cavalier?
00:25Four years.
00:25I've never used the term Spida.
00:28I do it all the time.
00:29People do it online.
00:30I do a radio show in Cleveland, Ohio.
00:32Man, my buddies are all sitting around going, hey, did you see Spida last night?
00:35You're a 45-year-old man.
00:36Throw to the Spida audio, Owen.
00:38There's just, there's some nicknames.
00:42I gotta find it.
00:43You're a 45-year-old man.
00:45You just don't, you don't use a lot of nicknames, do you?
00:49No, but Spida certainly do not.
00:51You said Frankie just for brevity.
00:53You didn't like, you were like Mr. Nickname about him,
00:57and like all the other nicknames that have ever been out there.
00:59I've never heard you use nicknames, so it's not for you.
01:01And honestly, in so many ways, I guess they're not for me.
01:05And I'll tell you right now, like there's been things like I've read during like the
01:08Throwdown or something like that over on 8, and I will like go, like they'll,
01:13I walk in and it's like their segment.
01:15I'm just doing it.
01:16And they like, they put it and I just go in there and I go, like they will write Spida.
01:20I guarantee if we do it today, someone will write Spida and I'll go, delete Donovan Mitchell
01:24or Donovan or Mitchell.
01:26I will not, because I don't do that.
01:28So it's, it's, it's not our thing, but no Eagles like what, 26?
01:31So of course it's, it was just a, that's a normal thing.
01:34It was an awesome arachnid performance and I just can't get over.
01:38Well, that's his nickname.
01:39It's Spida's world.
01:41Mitchell.
01:41And we're living in it.
01:42That's his nickname.
01:44I mean, the web that he was weaving last night.
01:46Okay.
01:47All right.
01:48It's Spida's world and we're living in it.
01:50Come on, get them all out there.
01:52I know you got a John Goodman reference somewhere in here.
01:55Come on.
01:56I know it's going to happen.
01:58Judas Priest.
01:59All right.
02:00It's a 2-2 series.
02:01Thank God.
02:03Because I was freaking out somewhere in the middle of the Caribbean because I'm going,
02:06this is not.
02:07I got to tell you guys, I was absolutely shocked.
02:10I was, I was completely shocked.
02:11I had coworkers here who were trying to not, not the usual suspects who were trying to like
02:18kind of rub my nose in like, oh, Ken, I thought you said that Detroit wasn't as good as the
02:22Cavs and are a bad matchup.
02:23We go, I don't think they're as good as the Cavs.
02:25And I don't think that we're a good matchup for them.
02:27I am.
02:27I'm very surprised that we're down 2-0 in this series.
02:31So for them to come back and there were some people making a big deal about the 17 point
02:35lead in game three.
02:36I'll just say this real quick.
02:36Like you and I just kind of always just like, yeah, it's a 17 point lead.
02:40It's the first half.
02:41Like these things, they come and go in spurts.
02:43And like, if they were, I don't know what lead to me is safe in the first half of an
02:48NBA basketball game playoffs or regular season or whatever.
02:51But I thought last night's game, obviously a performance where if you go down 3-1, like
02:57that's a series.
02:58So to bring it back 2-2 and now it's like, all right, I know the challenge is out there
03:03by a lot of fans where it's, they got to win on the road.
03:06Of course they got to win on the road.
03:08Do it on the road.
03:09Yeah, but we can look at them and say, yeah, they got to win on the road and also say,
03:15well, there's a hell of a performance by Donovan Mitchell and a point where you needed it badly,
03:19where there was a lot of dissension and criticism and rightfully so guys, rightfully so.
03:25I'm not saying any of you are wrong in your criticism there in the first two games and
03:29really the first three games.
03:30I think you guys are all correct about it for the most part.
03:33I'm sure there's some things that we could be nitpicky about, but you know, I got four
03:37hours to go in on that one, but it was something that they needed to do and they got it
03:41from
03:42their leader at the right time when they needed to go and have their selves in so many ways
03:48a season-saving performance.
03:51And I, I'm glad they got it back.
03:53I'm glad they got it back 2-2.
03:54I'm, I'm just, I am, I'm very surprised it was a 2-0 series lead for Detroit, but I'm
03:59glad we're back even here.
04:00Yeah, I thought, well, on Friday, I don't know if the message got back to you wherever
04:04you were.
04:05I don't know if you had to, you know, figure out how to have a doc actually accept your
04:09boat.
04:10Did that happen at any point or were you okay?
04:11No, we were good.
04:12Okay.
04:12Oh, you guys were making a bunch of Hannah Vyder's references while we were gone.
04:16No, we were responsible because, you know, the fear.
04:19We almost did.
04:20And then we read the actual article.
04:22Then we started reading what was happening and we're like, oh, maybe, maybe.
04:24No, we don't want to go down that path.
04:25There you go.
04:26We were, we were.
04:27Hey, you guys want to do it?
04:28I'm not here.
04:28That's fine.
04:28I don't care.
04:29So I said, Friday, I said, the season, the season's over.
04:32I was with Baskin.
04:33I'm like, the series is over.
04:34And Baskin's like, what are you talking about?
04:35They just need to do this, this, and this.
04:37And I'm like, win four out of five games after what we've seen.
04:40Harden can't dribble.
04:42Donovan, a superstar.
04:43He doesn't even look like an all-star.
04:45And Evan Mobley, while he, you know, given some nice minutes defensively.
04:50And then yesterday happened.
04:52Like, all right, game three, they came out one.
04:54Their backs were against the wall.
04:55Whatever.
04:55You got to win one.
04:56You can't get swept by Detroit.
04:58But yesterday, to see the best out of James Harden, the best out of Donovan Mitchell,
05:04and the best out of Evan Mobley.
05:06I was about to say, he's going to go under the radar a little bit today,
05:09just in general conversation.
05:10But Jared Allen was obviously very, if you heard the pre-show,
05:14the warm-up show with Jeff, he was over the top.
05:18In a good way, Jared Allen was in the praise of Evan Mobley,
05:23about how much he's grown and how great he did last night.
05:25Go ahead.
05:26Oh, he looked like, I called him an alien KG, young KG.
05:32Do you remember the young Kevin Garnett that could guard 30 feet from the basket
05:36and then around the rim was erasing everything and then getting his mitts on everything?
05:40That was just one of the best defensive performances I've seen from Evan Mobley in his career.
05:46I'm sure he's had games with either more blocks or more steals or whatever.
05:50I don't know statistically where it measures.
05:52But the eye test, Detroit was worried about Evan Mobley on every single play.
05:58And then you consider how James Harden got the party started early.
06:03And then what Dava Mitchell did tying a, it was a record tying performance for a half in an NBA
06:10playoff game.
06:10You, you finally saw everything come together and he didn't even shoot well last night.
06:16They didn't shoot well from three point range or the field.
06:19So it's not like, oh, we'll never be able to play anything like this again.
06:23Like, yeah, Dava Mitchell's not going to do that.
06:25Okay.
06:25And maybe Evan Mobley doesn't join the, what club was I?
06:30The five, five, three, five, five, three club.
06:33The vaunted five, five, three club.
06:35Um, what is the five, five, three club again for everybody?
06:38It's like the two, two, seven club, but for basketball, that was a good show.
06:42Marla Gibbs.
06:43Yes.
06:43Yes.
06:44Uh, the, the five rebounds, five assists, three steals, five blocks, but he had, he, oh, he
06:51had five, but he had, oh, five assists, five blocks, three steals and to go with his eight
06:56rebounds.
06:57Either way, it was an awesome, awesome performance from Evan Mobley.
07:00And for him to be able to show that for Donovan to do that and harden it, all the synergy
07:06of everything coming together where it was an ass kicking.
07:09I mean, the, the score is nine that, that, that didn't feel anything like that.
07:13That felt like a total ass kicking in the second half.
07:15Wait, it's five blocks, five, three steals and five assists from Evan Mobley.
07:20What's that?
07:20The five, three, five.
07:21That would be the five, three, five is how the, how the score, the, how the box score
07:25reads.
07:25I like to hear about the five, three, seven club.
07:28Well, there's, there's the five, three, seven boys.
07:31Is he a five, three, five boy?
07:36God in heaven.
07:37All right.
07:38There's one thing for sure.
07:39He's no spider.
07:39Where did they?
07:40It's spider's world and we're living in it.
07:43Telling you guys, you better watch out.
07:45You better watch out.
07:47All right.
07:48Well, I kind of want to ask, are we back in control of the series or are we just back
07:51to zero or are we, are we just back even?
07:53Yeah.
07:53It feels like it is like, yes, we don't.
07:56They got to win on the road.
07:57You can't win the, you can't win the series.
07:58I think that's the way a lot of fans are going to feel today.
07:59And they haven't won a road game yet.
08:01Okay.
08:01So obviously important.
08:03I thought they got a better whistle yesterday.
08:06Will they get that?
08:07Will they get a better whistle?
08:08Don't give it away.
08:09What we're going to sell at six 23.
08:10Well, I was JB did what he does best.
08:12One.
08:13I railed on the officiating game one of the series.
08:16I didn't, I didn't use game two nearly as much, but I thought game one, it was ridiculous.
08:21We weren't allowed to contest any shots.
08:22Every single one was an automatic whistle.
08:23And it just felt like that the entire game one, but we put pressure on Detroit in a way
08:30that we had not, even in the game three, when we put so much pressure from moment one.
08:36And I know there was a lot of consternation about Atkinson going back to Wade in the starting
08:42lineup, but you just saw the havoc that they were creating.
08:46And I know Detroit erase that lead in quick order by the end of the first, but you made
08:51Detroit feel you from moment one.
08:54And I thought that was, that was fairly evident that there was a different physicality.
08:58Like you couldn't leave that game yesterday and question the team's toughness, which had
09:03been the buzzword in the catch all that we use every time.
09:05Yeah, it was, it's been the, it's been the way it's been over the last four years.
09:09The point where like, we, we got so sensitive about that nickname that you noticed, like
09:14I, I kind of got defensive about the Indiana series going, well, guys, wait a minute.
09:17They weren't, they just got beat by a better team against Indiana, but that's something
09:21that again, you, you have labels for a reason.
09:23They can, they're carried around for a reason.
09:25I just thought with last night, like you should be back in control of this series.
09:30I, I still think you're the better team.
09:32I don't think, even though he's the best overall player on the floor last night, uh, arguably
09:37you have the one, a best player on the floor at any given time.
09:42Well, Cade, you're, you're, you're debating whether Cade or Donovan is the better player
09:46for an entire series for an entire season.
09:48I think that Cade is, is taking over.
09:50I think it was better.
09:50Cade had a better year than Donovan.
09:51Yeah.
09:52And, and so, and I know that's a controversial thing to say, but I think if you went like 10
09:56out of 10 NBA guys would probably say Cade Cunningham right now over Donovan, however,
10:01Cade can't do that.
10:02He can't do that.
10:02He doesn't have that in the arsenal right now.
10:05And to see what he was able to do yesterday, Donovan was, I think in so many ways, I would
10:10not be surprised.
10:11I do think that the most, the biggest reaction we're going to get is that we're just back
10:17even and that we can't trust them, things like that.
10:20But I do think that if you have the better overall team, which I still think you have the
10:24better overall team, Cunningham might be the best player on the floor, but I still think
10:27obviously you have the better overall team.
10:29Are, are they trusted enough to be said you're quote back in control of the series?
10:34I don't think we'll get a lot of people saying that this morning.
10:36I don't.
10:37I think that you'll get a lot of people who are relieved that it's back to 2-2, that
10:41you have to recenter yourself, get ready for Wednesday night.
10:44It's a quick road trip, but again, it's not that far away.
10:47So you don't have to really kill yourself getting around all those other things.
10:50It should be a better scenario playing out for you.
10:53However, I just think that so many people just are not trusting of them, considering
10:57the way Toronto shouldn't have taken you to where Toronto took you to be serious here.
11:02And then you got out to a 2-0 series deficit to start things off where, again, I was shocked
11:07and you get a lot of texts while I was on the boat about how wrong I was.
11:12And I go, yeah, I was, I was definitely wrong about that.
11:14I thought it would be a terrible matchup for the, for the Pistons.
11:16And I thought that I thought we'd win in five or six, which, okay, I was wrong about that,
11:22but I'm just glad we're back to 2-2 now.
11:24Yeah.
11:24Well, it felt, it felt like there was just, it was hopeless earlier in the series.
11:28I know it was just two games and that's, that's typical thing to overreact, but just
11:33in scene, you had to watch the games.
11:35All right.
11:35Yeah.
11:36Cavs lost first two games that happens, but to see the way that they lost the game, where
11:41James Harden looked washed up, he completely looked washed up.
11:44Nobody could deny, even his biggest supporters could not deny how bad he looked in those first
11:48two games.
11:48And then Donovan just seen how far he was from the Donovan Mitchell that we had seen usher
11:56in these superstar playoff performances.
11:59And that was what he did yesterday.
12:01And James Harden, the last two games, especially in the clutching game three, like they are
12:06playing a balanced game.
12:07What did James turn it over?
12:08How many times yesterday?
12:09I mean, it was, it was a total, total control over the affair the entire night.
12:16And that was what was so awesome to see.
12:18He had turned it over twice, only twice.
12:20So that obviously a much better performance.
12:22That's a good amount.
12:22Hell yeah.
12:23Well, I'm glad you brought up James just because again, in the first two games of that series,
12:28Philly fans started to emerge, Houston fans starting to emerge, Clippers fans, whatever
12:34there are, started to emerge about, Hey, this is who we told you you were getting.
12:38This is what you're getting here.
12:39So I thought it was obviously a big performance last night for James.
12:42Let me, let me clarify.
12:44I'm not going to get, I know we've had this big fight with a lot of the naysaying fans
12:50over the season.
12:51Listen, this time I can't, I can't blame you.
12:54It's a two, two series, but I think if I were to sit here and tell people they need
12:58to trust the Cavs and trust what's going on, I think that'd be pretty disingenuous by me
13:03here, considering the way that this post season is gone.
13:05I got to tell you.
13:06That's James Harden.
13:07He had 24 last night, considerably better than what he was in the first couple of games
13:10and only had two turnovers in yesterday's game.
13:1311 assists.
13:14And honestly, it should have been 19.
13:17The amount of threes at Sam Merrill that, that, that he freed guys up.
13:22There were the hockey assists yesterday.
13:23The ball never stuck, except unless the possession was getting at the end of the clock or the
13:29ball ended up back in his hands.
13:30Yeah.
13:31That was the perfect synergy between James Harden and Donovan Mitchell.
13:35Um, I mean, he needed it as bad as anybody could.
13:39I mean, the, the, the memes were back out.
13:41The jokes were back out about James Harden, playoff James Harden.
13:44He needed it badly.
13:44I want to go back to something before we get to the J, the JB conversation, uh, because
13:49he did what he did best does best and started complaining about the refs last night.
13:53And we'll get to that coming up here in a moment.
13:55When I brought up, like I'm, I'm usually, I think it's most fun when you can stand and
14:03really grandstand towards one side or the other.
14:06I don't have that feeling right now because it was a two Oh series lead for Detroit.
14:11Yes.
14:11I feel you should be back in control of this series.
14:13But I think if I were to say that, I think it would come off pretty, you could, it would
14:18come off pretty transparent and you could see right through it.
14:21I just don't feel that way.
14:22And I think that there's a lot of fans who are, I don't want to take it the wrong way.
14:26I think a lot of people are just, they're, they're relieved.
14:29We're back to two.
14:30We're back even in the series.
14:32I don't think that they're being naysayers.
14:34I just think that they're relieved and going, okay, now the next step is winning in Detroit
14:40on Wednesday.
14:41And I think that's a perfectly fair assessment considering that maybe there were some people
14:46who were just as surprised as I was.
14:48Cause I thought that we were a terrible matchup for Detroit with or without Kate Cunningham.
14:53I thought we were a terrible matchup for Detroit.
14:55It wasn't something that we just said after he had, he had had the injury.
14:59It was something that we had basically said all throughout the season.
15:02It's like, man, if we match up with Detroit, it seems to be a pretty good matchup for us.
15:05And in what Donovan did late yesterday was superhuman.
15:09I don't want to have to have him go do superhuman stuff throughout this game.
15:12Cause there was other things that I think that they did well.
15:14They scored off of turnovers.
15:16I think that was basically the difference.
15:17When you look at the final score, I think they scored nine off of turnovers last night.
15:20And that means if they won by nine, I'm just going to put two and two together.
15:23It's not that simple, but I'm going to simplify it that much.
15:26Like I thought it was a great team oriented win.
15:29Even how Donovan Mitchell played, I thought it was still that great.
15:32I just think that a lot of people are going to rightfully.
15:35So that kind of tapped the break a little bit there.
15:38Did you agree or disagree at the end of that segment?
15:41I think that's totally fair.
15:42Look, we're still, we're still underdogs.
15:44You got to win on the road.
15:47The game has been officiated completely differently.
15:50Depending on where the games are and that does matter, right?
15:53Like you have to take that into consideration.
15:55I thought we got totally homered in game one and Detroit feels like they got totally homered yesterday.
16:01So how, how, how are the last three games going to be officiated?
16:04You know, if you get to game seven road teams, I know we won our game seven at home with
16:09that incredible run before the end of the first half and out of the gates in the third quarter.
16:12But over the last 10 years, there's been a huge shift where the road team actually comes into game seven
16:19because the officiating is not as much a part of the game because they just let them play in game
16:24sevens.
16:25So, you know, you got to factor that in too, but you got to get to game seven first, obviously,
16:29which means you have to win one of the next two.
16:31It's just, I, if you were to ask me point blank and the Cavs going to win the series, it's,
16:36it's impossible to have a concrete, I'm being dead on.
16:39So I'm supposed to have an opinion on everything.
16:40Yeah.
16:41But I guarantee you any, anybody who's, anybody who's actually formulated an opinion about this series has been wrong at
16:47some point already because these games have been totally different.
16:49There's nothing in common with these four games.
16:52And the only thing I keep going back to, the only reason I would say, I can't say, again, I
16:59would try to say that we're in control of the series is you go back to guys like, and I
17:05mean this, this is a litmus test in so many ways.
17:07Because you hear when the games are on ESPN, I know they were on NBC last night, but when you
17:12have like inside the NBA, when you have Charles and Kenny and Shaq and just the disdain in their voices,
17:19they've had for the Cavaliers over this, not just this series, but I mean the entire playoffs where they, they
17:24have been mad because I think they feel that they need to be playing at a much better level than
17:28where they are.
17:28So if they're that disappointed in these guys, that, that, that has made me more, more disheartened.
17:35If they can step up to that level, it's not just based on them, but I keep going back to
17:39that type of evidence where these are three guys who played the game.
17:42They know the game.
17:43I'm going to listen to their opinions.
17:44I don't think that any of them, Charles Barkley has a way of speaking that makes people laugh and makes
17:48people think, but I don't think any of them are really hot take guys.
17:50I just think they give their opinion in funny ways.
17:53And I think the way that they've said it, I think is absolutely right.
17:56And I think a lot of Cavs fans would agree with them.
17:57Yeah.
17:58To me, normally it's always the national guys on a Cleveland team are over here and the home fans, the
18:04homers, the delusionals, the emotional are over here.
18:08No, we've all felt the same way.
18:10We've all been disappointed in the Cavs.
18:12The team that I was doing rah, rah, rah in the lead up to the playoffs, trying to wake the
18:16city up.
18:17Then I watched them play against Toronto and I'm like, no, you guys are right.
18:20You guys are right.
18:21This, this is a malaise and this malaise carried into the post season and the malaise carried into the first
18:26two games against Detroit.
18:27And then it had me thinking, is it not even a malaise?
18:29Are we just not good enough?
18:30But last night, last night is where you saw the talent edge.
18:35Like James Harden is better at this age is better than what they have.
18:40Save the Karis LeVert, unbelievable first half or whatever, because you're not going to see that again.
18:44He's capable of that every now and then Karis.
18:46But Evan Mobley defensively, yeah, that's better than anything Duren can do.
18:52That's better than anything Isaiah Stewart can do.
18:54Like run the gamut.
18:56And Donovan Mitchell, so as good as Cade Cunningham, and he's been on another level.
19:00He has a chance to be first team all NBA, depending on the voting and the injuries that happened this
19:04year.
19:04Cade Cunningham has been a better player, better superstar than Donovan Mitchell this year.
19:08But what Donovan authored up yesterday is something Cade does not have in his powers at this point.
19:17That's going into the series.
19:18Was it Channing Frye, who I think was on the station?
19:21Going into the series, I was only seeing clips on the internet.
19:23So I want to get it right.
19:24Was it Channing Frye who went on afternoon and was talking about Cade Cunningham being the better player?
19:29I think so.
19:30It was either him or Richard Jefferson, I think it was.
19:32No, it was Channing Frye.
19:32Okay, it was Channing Frye.
19:33When Channing Frye, like, scoffed and was like, hey, it's Cade Cunningham who's the best player on this floor right
19:38now.
19:39I know that we don't want to admit it, per se, but I think that Cade Cunningham is in a
19:44place where maybe he could author that up in the future.
19:47I would expect much more out of Donovan Mitchell in this moment than I would out of Cade Cunningham.
19:51One team's in their first foray into the postseason.
19:53This has been over and over for Donovan.
19:55Cade can score 40.
19:55It's not like that.
19:56It's not a total assault on your entire city where nothing can be done to stop it.
20:02And Cade is going to take a ton of shots, and he's going to get to the foul line.
20:06It's going to be bruising.
20:07No, what Donovan did yesterday, reminding everybody that when he has had those 50-point games in the playoffs and
20:15the high 40-point games in the playoffs,
20:16and he's done them in a Cavs uniform too, not just Utah, that he still has this otherworldly ability to
20:23just fill it up.
20:24And what, like, we saw Karis LeVert do for a quarter and a half.
20:27He could do it for an entire game.
20:29And the scary thing is he only did it for a half yesterday.
20:31That first half, he didn't even play well.
20:33Like, Donovan can play a more complete game than he did yesterday.
20:37Is he going to score as many points?
20:38I don't know.
20:39In the rest of this series where I think, you know, it's going to be very physical.
20:42But he can play a more balanced game over the course of an entire 48.
20:46That really is, to me, that really is the difference in who's great and who's, like, good.
20:52Is where there's a guy, like, Donovan is a great player where you could put away a not great first
20:57half.
20:58Wasn't terrible.
20:59Just wasn't very productive.
21:01You could put away a not great first half and come out in the second half and do it.
21:06You're not going to do 39 in the second half every night.
21:09But to be a dominant type of player, we've seen that type of second half performance out of Donovan as
21:13well.
21:13Like, that's what changes between Donovan and a lot of other guys.
21:16I mean, you mentioned Karis LeVert.
21:17Yeah, Karis LeVert can have a good game.
21:19But is he going to be able to pick it up after?
21:21No, he's a sixth guy.
21:22So, you're not going to really be able to start off in the second half and just heat right up
21:27the way that you were supposed to do in the first half and you can still salvage the game.
21:31Like, that's what Donovan did in so many ways.
21:33And then when you scored 39 in the second half, you just end up being the most dominant player on
21:36the floor.
21:37JB did last night what JB does best.
21:40That was bitch about the refs and here he is.
21:42It's unacceptable.
21:43It is.
21:45You know, we didn't do enough, obviously, to help ourselves.
21:48And I'll start there.
21:50But, you know, ever since we came to Cleveland, the whistle has changed.
21:55You know, there's no way that one guy on their team shoots more free throws than our team.
21:59You know, we're not a settled team.
22:01We're not a jump shooting team.
22:02You know, we drive the ball, attack the paint.
22:04You know, so what was done out there tonight, it's frustrating.
22:08But, you know, we can't allow that to be the reason why.
22:11Because we didn't play well enough and play to the best of our capabilities.
22:15But, again, you look at the foul count.
22:17You look at the disparity.
22:19And that's hard to overcome.
22:20And you wonder, you know, the reason why.
22:23It's interesting, you know, since Kenny made his comments publicly about, you know, us.
22:29The whistle's changed in this series.
22:31First off, I think he's right.
22:32I think a lot of Caps fans would agree.
22:34And, finally, we're getting the whistle going our way here at home.
22:37Second of all, my first thought is JB doing JB things.
22:41Like, I criticized him when he was in Cleveland because I thought he got distracted by arguing with the refs.
22:46I thought that there were times he let games get away from him emotionally because he was spending so much
22:52time in a refs that you're screaming at him.
22:54And then the team became a team of complainers.
22:56Yes, but I think that he brings up a valid point that we're going to have to bring up going
23:02into tomorrow morning.
23:03And really, at later points in this show, we'll bring it up with Danny at 9.
23:07And then we'll have to bring it up tomorrow morning.
23:08Like, what type of whistle are we going to get in Detroit?
23:13Like, have we balanced it out?
23:15Now are we going to be fair down the line as best we are?
23:17Are we going to get a homerific type of whistle over there in Detroit and then have to come back
23:22here for Game 6 and hopefully balance it out again?
23:25I think what JB, what Kenny brought up was right.
23:28And I think what JB brings up, even though, yeah, there's a history and I've been critical there before, I
23:32think what JB brings up is a valid point.
23:35I think it's fair.
23:37Listen, I thought Kenny wasn't demonstrative enough about the officiating early in the series.
23:42That was one of the things that was brought up, too, is that they thought maybe there was a lot
23:45of Cavs fans thinking maybe Kenny should be in people's ear the way that JB has been.
23:48I mean, because I made a point, Baskin was in for you, and I just sat here saying, man, Kenny's
23:53just sitting.
23:55He's just sitting the entire time while JB's berating the officials.
23:58And normally, I don't like that.
24:00I think you can be too much in your own head, and then the officials can actually lash out at
24:06you because of it and then not get you calls.
24:08Like, I do think there's a fine line in trying to, quote, work a ref.
24:12But JB did it, and it worked.
24:14All right, well, now it was Kenny's turn.
24:16I hope that we're not talking about officiating the final two or three games of this series.
24:20Yeah, I hope so as well.
24:22But when you have four games like that to start things off, people like to complain about the refs in
24:26the first place.
24:27I think you are going to get some complaining coming up on Thursday morning after Wednesday's game.
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