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00:00How far are the Cavaliers going right off the tippy top? I want you to answer that question in a
00:04second.
00:05I was going to answer something else, but I want you to get this off your chest.
00:08You've become very defensive of the Cavs. I've had a lot of people call in here over the last couple
00:13of days.
00:14I had Spencer yesterday tell me that I was in denial about how far the Cavs are going to be
00:19going this year.
00:20You've become defensive of the Cavs because of another team in Town Town.
00:24I had an epiphany yesterday talking to Ken. I'm not a big note-taker, as Ken can attest.
00:32That's why I take the notes, so I can remind you of things that you said before.
00:34Ken takes the notes for two of us, but yesterday on the phone, I literally stopped him.
00:40I interrupted Ken halfway through a sentence on something else, and I go,
00:43Oh, I know why I am so optimistic about the Cavs, why I'm so excited about the Cavs and this
00:52upcoming postseason.
00:53It's easy, and it's because the Browns. Everything always comes back to the Browns.
00:59It's because I am gearing up for a Browns season that I just think, unfortunately,
01:07and I'm not breaking new ground here.
01:10I think most people that follow the Browns that aren't in the bubble, they're like,
01:16Yeah, Browns are going to be bad this year, right?
01:18Yeah.
01:18Hey, I'll be happy to be pleasantly surprised, but most people in my orbit, we're all like,
01:25Yeah, we're preparing for the Browns to be pretty bad this year.
01:28And I think that's why.
01:30That's why the Browns, obviously, they start their mini camps, and then they get going in the training camp,
01:37and preseason, and all that, and it's just going to be a long slog to a bad season.
01:41Mm-hmm.
01:41Five, six wins.
01:42Okay?
01:43I think Vegas has you at six and a half, which I thought was high.
01:46I started talking myself into it a little higher during a podcast over the weekend, over last weekend,
01:51but I'll save that for another time.
01:53Good.
01:53Go ahead, what you were saying about the Cavs.
01:54I hope that's the case.
01:55But I think on paper, they project to be one of the bad teams in football this year.
02:01And because of that, I'm sitting here with, is there five games left in the season for the Cavs?
02:08Yeah.
02:09And I'm like, my whole life, the NBA playoffs has been appointment viewing.
02:14For me, I can't speak for everybody.
02:16I certainly know some people hate the NBA.
02:18Some people have been told to hate the NBA.
02:21Some people love embracing the tweets about how bad the ratings are, even though the ratings are up this year.
02:26And I love the NBA playoffs.
02:29I love every minute of it.
02:30I watch every night for 70 straight nights, it seems like, that there are playoffs, whether my team is in
02:37it or out of it.
02:38And my team right now has the fifth best odds to win the championship.
02:43And I'm sorry, I can't go into the playoffs being negative.
02:47I can't go in going, oh boy, we lost in the past.
02:50Yeah, they made a trade.
02:51They made a couple trades.
02:53They've switched up the dynamic of this basketball team.
02:57And so I'm going to embrace that.
02:59Am I picking them to win the title?
03:01No.
03:02Would I pick them head-to-head against the Celtics?
03:04No.
03:05But that doesn't mean I just go into the playoffs and say, screw it.
03:08Did Browns fans, the year that Baker got them to the playoffs and they obviously won the game against the
03:17Pittsburgh Steelers,
03:17did you guys all say, well, we can't beat Patrick Mahomes, so who cares?
03:20No, this whole city was on fire and me and you were crying about the team getting to the postseason.
03:26So as I'm getting older in life, I'm like, I've got to relish these situations.
03:33I don't know.
03:34The Cavs might be bad for the next 20 years once they trade Donovan Mitchell.
03:38They might be bad for the next 20 years.
03:40I don't know.
03:41So I'm going to embrace this.
03:42I'm going to get excited about it.
03:45And look, the Guardians, you can set your watch to them.
03:48They're going to contend for the playoffs every single year.
03:50And the day-in, day-out minutia of baseball is not going to really have me amped for it until,
03:58you know, we get to October.
03:59But here we are, the whole season.
04:02Donovan Mitchell said we could go 82-0 and no one would care.
04:06And I think the fans took those cues, but here we are.
04:10This is what Donovan Mitchell was preparing you for.
04:12Donovan Mitchell and the Cavs were preparing you.
04:15And when they made the trade for Donovan Mitchell, it was, here we go, it's the on-ramp to the
04:21postseason.
04:22Let's go.
04:23I remember years ago when they first started building, like, you got mad because people didn't care about the Cavs.
04:29And we had, like, this whole big thing in a day about, do you care about the Cavs or not?
04:34And people were killing you.
04:35And you were getting very upset with the people because they didn't care.
04:39I'm picking up the same vibe.
04:41Now, I think some of it is because of the feelings that the fans have with the Browns.
04:47I think that some of it is the cynicism that comes in with the – and so it translates to
04:51the Cavs.
04:52The Guardians, it's – this is a very odd time because a lot of the – if – I think
04:58there's a lot of folks who are excited about the Guardians,
05:01but the second it even started to look towards – people could start to complain about the ownership.
05:07I'd, like, cut off the phones yesterday.
05:09You weren't there.
05:09I'd be like, all right, that's it.
05:10We're not doing Dolan's Cheaps calls for the rest of the show.
05:13We weren't going to do that.
05:14So we're in, like, this weird phase right now with the fan base where all three teams, they're interesting in
05:20their own ways.
05:21One, because the season's starting, even though they're a consistent winner.
05:24They just don't get into the crazy news like the other two do, and thank God that they don't.
05:28With the Cavs, I'm looking at a team that in the next two years is probably done.
05:35I think in 2020 – 2028, we're looking at a completely different basketball team with completely different expectations
05:45and possibly completely retooled with new coaching and new everything.
05:49I think that we could be doing that.
05:51So I'm trying to maximize – and I have to be honest with everybody because just because I'm trying to
05:57maximize the rest of the fun that I might have with this iteration of the Cavs
06:00doesn't mean I should be saying that they're going to be going places.
06:02Just because I want them to do that doesn't mean I might be telling the truth.
06:06I just look at this and I go, I know a lot of people think they're only going to make
06:10it to the second round.
06:10If you only make it to the second round, it's a complete disaster because of who I think you're going
06:15to lose to.
06:16If you go out and you win the first round, nobody's really going to care.
06:19You go out, you get to the Eastern Conference Finals, we'll talk about Boston.
06:23Because I don't think that there's a lot of shame in losing to Boston there.
06:25And obviously if you beat Boston, we'll roll the dice on the NBA Finals and I'll end up being right
06:29about penciling them into the Finals.
06:30But if you lose to the Detroit Pistons, I think, frankly, I think that you're going to see some big
06:37names talking about getting out of here.
06:39And I think you're going to get a lot of fans saying, fine, go.
06:41No, because that's a team that started behind you.
06:44That's a team that is not as good as you.
06:46You are a bad matchup for them.
06:48I know they try to play tough guy ball.
06:50I think that you're still more skilled and better than them and can beat them to the spot.
06:54If you were to lose to that team, it would be a disaster.
06:57I just don't think you're losing to that team.
06:58I think this is an Eastern Conference Finals team at least.
07:01And I am.
07:02I'm a little bit perplexed going, hey, I know about the injuries and all the other things and the different
07:06lineups.
07:07And I get some of the lack of defenses there, but I'm almost done begging because I'm getting frustrated that
07:14I have to beg people to get excited about the Cavs.
07:17That's where I'm at right now.
07:18Which is so bizarre to me.
07:20As if it's a birthright.
07:22Maybe it really is LeBron spoiled everybody.
07:24As if it's a birthright for the Cavs to just be in the playoffs every year and make deep runs
07:31when we haven't done that since LeBron.
07:33God, it's been eight years, Anthony.
07:36It's been ten since the championship.
07:37It's been eight since he's gone.
07:39It's weird.
07:39It's also crazy considering what town we're in.
07:43It's crazy that Cleveland fans, of all fans, it'd be one thing if you were in New York or Boston
07:50or if you were in L.A.
07:52We're in Cleveland.
07:53All of a sudden we're taking for granted playoffs.
07:56Like, when did that happen?
07:59Cleveland, Ohio.
08:00Let me explain it this way.
08:01If you asked the average person outside of Cleveland and said, what do you think of the sports in Cleveland,
08:07Ohio, what would they say?
08:08Let me explain it this way.
08:10Some of the worst in the country.
08:11That's what people would say.
08:12They wouldn't even know that the Guardians have been in the playoffs seven of the last ten years.
08:17I think I might have just said that.
08:18They would have no idea.
08:19I swear to you, I think I might have just said on something here.
08:22Well, let me explain it this way to you, Anthony.
08:24I just said, if a kid was ten years old when the Cavs won the championship, he's 18 now, right?
08:29Probably getting ready to come down to opening day and have all the festivities.
08:33You and I have talked about the 90s Indians and how we might have been spoiled by the 90s Indians.
08:37And now baseball's changed.
08:40The basketball hasn't changed as much as the baseball has.
08:45Maybe I need to understand that maybe we have been a bit spoiled by the preeminent player of the generation,
08:51the icon, arguably the greatest to ever do it.
08:55Maybe to some level we are.
08:57Because I didn't want to think we are, but then you just said it and I'm looking up here at
09:01Guardians highlights.
09:02I'm going, well, you know, a lot of guys my age, we get all upset and mad because they don't
09:09spend and all that other stuff.
09:10We're comparing them to a time that was a bygone era of baseball before the Yankees and before the Dodgers
09:17and before the Mets and everybody else decided to outspend you.
09:20And it felt like you couldn't keep up with the Joneses.
09:22Here with the Cavs, obviously you can keep up with the Joneses, but you're having a guy where you just
09:28did not make plans for early June every year because you knew for four straight years you were going to
09:32the finals.
09:32Even if you didn't have the greatest feeling going into the finals, you knew you were going there.
09:36This is different.
09:38Eight years felt like a long time, but maybe it hasn't been that long considering fans' memories here.
09:43That's kind of where I'm at on this.
09:45So I think that you and I, we're going to be fighting and God forbid if they lose in the
09:51second round, again, I'm going to say this, Nick could come in in the morning and start yelling at us.
09:56Because we have been beating each other up here over the last month and a half at least about this.
10:01If it's to J.B. Bickerstaff, does it matter if it's the Celtics?
10:05Does it matter if it's a brutal seven-game series against the Celtics, which I'm trying to avoid?
10:11In the second round?
10:11Which I'm trying to avoid.
10:12I've been laying out the blueprint.
10:14Donovan actually disagrees with you.
10:16Do you understand the power that you possess, Kenny?
10:19Kenny, whether it's Oklahoma City one day, whether it's Los Angeles, Kenny can threaten other metropolises and their entire fan
10:28base with just a couple of words.
10:29Just a couple of barbs passed that way.
10:32It made me feel good.
10:33Owen got – you guys all plant the seed.
10:36And Owen planted the seed in my head a couple – a year ago.
10:39And then here we were and I'm just going, you know, why is my closer facing 65 years in prison?
10:44And honestly, I always say he's a fine ball player.
10:47He is a fine ball player.
10:49Maybe he'll end up being the greatest of this generation.
10:52But don't tell me he didn't feel a little bit fishy.
10:55That's all I was trying to say.
10:57That's all Owen was trying to say.
10:58Not only do – I would – I'd bet the house on him being a fine player.
11:03Yeah.
11:04I'm not a gambling man, but I know a lot of people – you know what?
11:08I would tell my good friend from back home that he should gamble a specific amount of money.
11:16That Shohei Otani would be a real great MVP this year.
11:21Have somebody else take care of it.
11:23You also provide him with your bank account number.
11:26The difference is –
11:27I know a lot of my buddies' rowdy numbers.
11:29I don't know about you guys.
11:30I can just – it's right off their social security numbers.
11:33Can I differentiate one thing?
11:36I actually would like to take the Oklahoma City thing back to a degree.
11:39Oh, come on.
11:40I would.
11:41Wow.
11:41I don't like to upset a fan.
11:42I don't like – because you know what?
11:44There are hardcore fans there.
11:46And I even thought about it yesterday when LeBron said what he said about Memphis.
11:49And we'll have that for you in about last night.
11:51Because I thought it was – I was like, gosh, don't be saying that stuff about a city.
11:54That's just nasty.
11:56But I take it back a little bit.
11:57There's hardcore fans.
11:59I just like Seattle more.
12:01I can't wait until they get an NBA franchise.
12:05And Indiana.
12:06I'm closer to Indiana.
12:07I've never been to Oklahoma.
12:09So I would take that back.
12:10I would take that back.
12:11The Dodgers thing, no, I ain't taking that back.
12:14That ain't going to happen.
12:15And if he played for any other team, that fan base would just yell at me.
12:17So I don't – that I don't care about.
12:192-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
12:21So I'm going to get to the Cavs.
12:22Speaking of basketball, I'm going to get back to the Cavs here in a second.
12:24There's still people who want to get in on it.
12:27They play the Cubs today.
12:29Do you hate the Cubs?
12:32Am I the – I think it's weird because if you're a person of a certain generation,
12:36like I think if a kid's getting ready to go, he just woke up,
12:40his dad's got us on YouTube in the living room somewhere,
12:44and he's just walking downstairs, I bet a 17-year-old kid hates the Cubs.
12:51Right?
12:52Would you imagine?
12:53Yeah.
12:53Okay.
12:55But me and you, we're from a different generation.
12:58I wonder if that buddy – that kid's dad hates the Cubs.
13:02He may hate the Cubs, but I got to tell you, for a certain generation,
13:06and we've told this story before, and if you've listened to us,
13:09you know where this is going.
13:11They were on TV every day we got home from school.
13:15In our generation, it was on WGN every single day.
13:18They became your National League team.
13:21Back in those days, you would watch the Cubs, then go to baseball practice,
13:27come home, watch the Indians.
13:29So you were like, well, they never – they'll cross over,
13:32but unless they go to a World Series, I don't ever have to root against the Cubs.
13:36You liked Harry Carey.
13:38It was fish in a barrel.
13:38I was going to say –
13:39You just liked the Cubs.
13:39I was going to say you buried the lead.
13:41It was Harry Carey.
13:41Yeah, basically.
13:42It was literally Harry Carey and their presentation of the game.
13:46Yeah, you see some guy with glasses and his shirt off drinking in the bleachers.
13:50It's going to speak to you.
13:51And then Arnie, the producer, just showing buxom women at all times in the stands,
13:56getting a tan.
13:57Like, that was, as a youngster, as a young 11-year-old boy,
14:01I enjoyed the Cubs games.
14:02It was.
14:03And I think that was a big part of it.
14:04But I wonder, too, though, just – I've said this about this division that we are in.
14:11I know there is a hatred for the Red Sox and the Yankees here.
14:16But outside of that, I have never felt the hatred for the other teams in that way.
14:23I know we've had takeovers, the Toronto takeovers.
14:26And so if you've been a part of that, maybe you've either enjoyed the company of Toronto fans
14:32or you have despised their takeovers.
14:35But outside of that, I don't know that baseball in this part of the country
14:40engenders that kind of emotional reaction the way it does, like,
14:45Steeler fans or Ravens fans or Cowboy fans.
14:48I don't know if it's that way for baseball fans here.
14:51I would venture to say, like, I only hate a certain handful of teams.
14:56Steelers and Ravens are one and two.
14:58Even Bengals the last – how many years since they went to the Super Bowl
15:03and they rubbed that in your face all the time?
15:04I've never hated the Bengals.
15:06I don't know why.
15:07I've never been bothered with them, which seems to bother them even more
15:10when I say I don't really care about the Bengals.
15:13Yankees, yes.
15:14Yankees, there's hate.
15:15Red Sox, there's definitely hate.
15:18White Sox bother me for whatever reason.
15:20Hate them.
15:21There was a time I hated the Tigers.
15:23I don't hate the Tigers anymore.
15:25Miguel Cabrera became a respect, but during that era of Tiger baseball,
15:30I hated the Tigers.
15:31It's starting to come back a little bit, though.
15:32Good.
15:33We need that.
15:34We need more of that.
15:34Yeah, but when Tarek Scoobles says his favorite sports memory is 2016
15:38in the Cavs championship, what do I do with that?
15:40I still hate him when he strikes out all the guys on my team.
15:44Well, that's – yeah, that part of it sucks.
15:45And then it's because that fan base can be here pretty easily, pretty quickly,
15:51and there's a lot of Toledo Tigers fans that will come over,
15:55and then, you know, they run their mouths in the stands
15:58when Tarek Scoobles is on the mound.
16:00Okay, that's true.
16:00So I can hate them.
16:01Okay, well, I mean, I guess you can hate them.
16:04I haven't felt – I don't think I've ever been in the ball.
16:06But you've got to come out to the stands with us.
16:07I don't know what it's like in the suites.
16:08Oh, stop it.
16:10You go to one game in a suite and you hear about it for the rest of your life.
16:13Yeah, it's more than one.
16:14You go to 12 games in a suite and you hear about it for the rest of your life.
16:17You know, I was the only one at this show sitting in the 537.
16:20I didn't see Tone up there.
16:24216-474-0092.
16:26I just don't hate the Cubs.
16:27Cavs are in the postseason.
16:28They get into the postseason last night.
16:30How far do they have to go for you?
16:32Like, I don't – I'll get to Darryl coming up at 8.
16:35We'll ask him a little bit because he's our Cleveland Sports Insider.
16:38Also, he said something about the draft that I'm going to be really upset about
16:41coming up at 8.01.
16:41How far do the Cavs have to go for it to be a successful – a quote-unquote
16:45successful season?
16:46Because I – there was one thing that I think that they took from it, that Joey
16:50took from it, that I kind of didn't like, where I do think that you hear some of the
16:55inside stuff about DEFCONs.
16:57There was the report from Mark Stein a couple of weeks ago about that.
17:01You hear some of the freakouts about what they've done or what – if they don't get
17:06far enough, what they're going to do.
17:08And I just don't think that it needs to get to that level if they get to the Eastern Conference
17:12Finals.
17:12To me, if they get to the Eastern Conference Finals – if Boston has injuries and there's
17:18a serious injury there or something and Boston is bounced in the first two rounds and you
17:23end up playing someone else, maybe I'll recalibrate.
17:25If you end up losing to the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals – Boston's
17:29another team I hate.
17:29The Celtics I do hate.
17:31If you end up losing to them, I don't know if we should be freaking out over us.
17:35Well, Kenny, Boston's flat out better than the Cavs right now.
17:38And people – I've seen people say, why are you starting to backpedal?
17:42It's like, well, Jason Tatum came back and he looks pretty good.
17:45And Boston's been really good the whole year.
17:47And they added him in and they had some issues early on, you know, reintegrating him into
17:54their system.
17:55They scored 53 points in the first quarter against Miami.
17:57They set a record.
17:59So, yeah, I would love to avoid playing Boston until the last possible moment I have to play
18:06them and, yeah, hope for some good fortune.
18:08That's just a reality.
18:10I know people are like, why is that okay?
18:11Why is that okay that Boston's better than you?
18:13Well, they've been better than you.
18:15The moment they drafted Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown in back-to-back years, you know, having
18:21two wings in a league where the wings are way better than guards to have.
18:26You know, it's like the NFL.
18:27It's way better to have quarterbacks than dominant pass rushers.
18:30I hate to break the news to you.
18:32So, that's just a reality of the NBA.
18:34But outside of that, like, I like our chances against everybody else.
18:37I think it would be a great series with the Knicks.
18:40I would pick us to win.
18:41I think it'd be a great series, you know, against Detroit in terms of physicality and
18:47tough.
18:48But I would pick us in six games.
18:51So, I don't know what you want.
18:52You want me to lie to you about – I've seen people say, oh, Atlanta's going to beat us in
18:55a series.
18:56Based on what?
18:56Where does that come from?
18:57Where all of a sudden is this confidence from Cleveland fans, of all fans, that Atlanta
19:02Hawks are going to beat you in a series?
19:04I love –
19:04Lack of confidence, you mean?
19:05No, I'm saying that they are confident that we're going to lose.
19:08That we're going to lose.
19:08Yes.
19:09Where did this come from all of a sudden?
19:11Because talk to Atlanta fans.
19:12They're not that confident.
19:13Where did this come from?
19:14Are you just making up – are you just building up fictitious teams that can beat us in a series?
19:21I said it.
19:21I think that when we – there's been a lot of people who might not have been watching them
19:26the way that you've been watching them, the way that you have forced everybody on this
19:29show to watch them over the – and really try to keep it with a basketball line.
19:33Do it real quick.
19:33Do the draft – any of you saying that Atlanta is going to – did Spencer German say – of
19:38all these people saying Atlanta is going to beat us in a series?
19:40Oh, he said I was in denial.
19:42Let's do a draft.
19:42Spencer said I was in denial about how far the Cavs are going to go.
19:45Let's do a draft.
19:46Okay?
19:48You can pick any of the Cavs –
19:49Hopefully this won't end up like the one you and Dustin did.
19:51Any of the Cavs players, any of the Hawks players, let's do a draft.
19:55How many – when you get to a starting five, how many Atlanta players are in that draft?
20:02If you were to do a draft fairly between the two teams.
20:08Probably the top four would be the Cavs.
20:10Well, I think you would go one Hawk in particular before you would go – but it would be four
20:17Cavs players.
20:18We are more talented –
20:19Who, Daryl Dawkins?
20:20No.
20:20We are more talented than – I just – I want to know where this is coming from.
20:26Okay, you've seen us flame out in the playoffs.
20:28If you're just talking top five, right?
20:30Just starting five.
20:30Yeah.
20:31Jalen Johnson is incredible.
20:32Well, that's what I was going to say.
20:33But you're not taking him ahead of Donovan Mitchell or James Harden.
20:36Not James Harden.
20:36What are you talking about?
20:37Not Donovan, not James Harden.
20:39Then it would – honestly, it would probably be then Jalen Johnson.
20:43Then it would probably be Evan and Jared Allen.
20:48Am I wrong?
20:49I – CJ McCollum is, you know, 50 years old.
20:53He's been playing really well.
20:54He's been playing –
20:55Evan's been playing really well, though.
20:57Evan has been incredibly efficient since the All-Star break.
21:01Yes, I'm sorry.
21:02I keep cutting you off.
21:03He's been very good.
21:04So I wouldn't put – CJ McCollum, local guy, all that other stuff.
21:07I wouldn't put him in the top five.
21:08No.
21:09No.
21:10So why is it that Cavs fans are afraid of the Hawks all of a sudden?
21:13I don't know where this came from.
21:15That we're just going to be down on – you're going to pick the other team to beat us in
21:18the first round just because you're mad that, what, Darius Garland got traded?
21:21And by the way, have you seen Darius the last two games?
21:24He's looked like April Darius all of a sudden.
21:26But what you have to stop trying to do – what I don't want you to do, and you have
21:31to keep doing it, is that it's become this, like, challenge to fans.
21:34It's become this, like, personal thing with you, and then it turns to me because I feel the same way
21:39you do.
21:40I'm like, guys, we've got to enjoy this as best we can because after this season, there's going to be
21:44big-time conversations.
21:45And I think it's the biggest postseason ever for Evan Mobley.
21:49I think that this is the biggest, most pivotal stretch for him.
21:51I think Jared Allen has been worth his weight in gold ever since James Harden got here.
21:55Yes, I think that Jared's just an honest person.
21:58He says that his knee is not 100%.
22:00I heard what he said to Chris Fedor.
22:02At the same time, I think nobody's playing at 100%.
22:04So I'm not going to freak out over Jared Allen right now.
22:07You've got five games left to go in the season, okay?
22:09I just hate turning it into a personal challenge every single time we talk about the Cavs
22:14because I feel your frustration, and I'm frustrated going,
22:17there should be, if I'm getting completely unreasonable people telling me that the Cleveland Browns
22:25are going to win 11 games this year, where is there people not telling me that the Cavaliers
22:29are going to the finals?
22:30How is that possible?
22:31How is it possible?
22:33Other than, frankly, you didn't bother to watch, and you have people leading you on the air
22:39who didn't bother to watch.
22:40That's all I can think of.
22:41And Kenny, I'm not here.
22:43We hear about bad defense, we hear about effort, and we just start bitching,
22:46and we don't even know what we're talking about because it's easy to complain.
22:48My head is not buried in the sand about the flaws of this Cavs team.
22:52But I watch the NBA.
22:53I know the Knicks have flaws.
22:55I can go through every team in the East and point out their flaws.
22:58Even the Celtics have some flaws.
23:00Yet, our fans don't know about those other teams' flaws because they just watch the Cavs.
23:04Yeah.
23:05Whatever.
23:05There's nothing wrong with that.
23:06There's nothing wrong with that.
23:07I mean, come playoff time, you'll watch, I think, more teams.
23:10But you just got to understand, maybe you have to just take it from me.
23:13The other teams also have flaws in the Eastern Conference.
23:17And yes, the Cavs have their issues.
23:21We, I mean, I've talked for five years about their lack of wings and the problems that present itself.
23:27And because Darius, they traded him at his lowest value ever, they couldn't get a wing.
23:32You know, they had to settle for an older guard.
23:35But man, if you watch James Harden, that guy can pick apart defenses.
23:40He eviscerates in the pick and roll other opposing defenses.
23:44He's going to do it in the playoffs.
23:45I know you guys will tell me about Game 7s.
23:47And I can also tell you, well, Game 6 last year against the Nuggets, he went off for 30 and
23:5110.
23:51And was the best player on the floor.
23:53He has that ability.
23:55He has monstrous playoff games.
23:57I know you want to get in Darius' arguments.
23:59Show me the monstrous Darius Garland playoff games.
24:02You can't.
24:02And Darius has decent stretches.
24:05That's about it.
24:06And that's it.
24:06James Harden has had humongous playoff games.
24:10You just, you only have watched, you know, the national guys crush him for Game 7s.
24:16Also, James has been forced to be a number one on a team.
24:18And that's never.
24:19Darius never had to be that guy.
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