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00:00that was a really fun last night no complaints 10 out of 10 no notes yeah guardians win and that
00:05was a commanding win that was not even like i know it ended up saying 72 yeah they got a
00:10couple
00:10ticky tack runs of a bunch of guys probably won't be here in a week or two at the end
00:14of the game
00:14and then uh and then of course the calves it is a blowout just so we're clear the calves blew
00:20out
00:20the pistons it's just nobody told craig porter jr or the bench players or kenny atkinson well
00:26yeah that was we'll get into all that uh it's just i got thoughts how refreshing of a night that
00:31was
00:31though uh you know donovan has a miserable first half but in the second half scores 39 you had
00:36james harden getting involved early and they they built up the 11 point lead nick and you're thinking
00:40to yourself all right it's just going to be domination station the entire stretch of the way
00:43and then you just watched him cough it up and then you're trailing at halftime and then donovan comes
00:48out and is just nails it was just a lot of fun so it's funny the first half really was
00:53a back and
00:54fourth affair you the calves have you're cursing karis lavert left and right yeah and by the way
00:59karis lavert just not a natural villain karis is trying to like stand over donovan mitchell it's
01:04like karis this isn't gonna end well for you buddy yeah uh or like um uh paul reed another one
01:10of
01:10those guys that's like it's like all right paul all right listen you're gonna make 50 million
01:14dollars and we're happy for you but just pipe down there chachi what do they call him big ball paul
01:19is that what they call him that's what they call i think they should call him medium ball paul
01:22because big is just a little too big for paul is that what that i think so he's like they're
01:27down
01:2720 and he's just flexing after a jam it's like all right i get it you're playing better than than
01:31duran is congratulations there was a part where i thought we were going to get the beef stew moment
01:35and then the calves got ahead again and then beef stew was out of that game yeah it was like
01:39every
01:39time they got ahead isaiah stewart disappeared it was like jb bigger staff was like oh no no i actually
01:45need somebody who's good at basketball i'll put him back in it's incredible uh what jb's had to try to
01:49work with because the the piston starting five uh just basically just vomited all over their shoes
01:54for the remainder of that game and even again like shame you gotta give karis give karis's credit
01:58right we watch this with the calves where once every like 25 games he would turn into kobe bryant
02:04and you're just like how did this happen does he know who he still is and like last night for
02:08him
02:08was one of those games in the beginning part of it so it's funny um it was a phenomenal performance
02:14in the end by donovan a 43 burger boy did i hear that last people call it did you get
02:19did you see
02:20the i got like three or four tweets about i did get some tweets pretty innocuous thing that we talked
02:25about yesterday they were just poking fun at it oh no no exactly that's which is basically all we did
02:29yesterday so it was nice to get a 43 burger from 43 burger and now is a thing because donovan
02:34made it
02:34a thing last night sure sure uh harden deserves kudos for how he played early and then i think he
02:40kind of
02:40stepped aside offensively and in the second half which i think allowed donovan to go off
02:45and i do think it's really funny like there was you know ah the calves figured something out we'll
02:50get to this more as the the show goes on but it's like yes if you get donovan mitchell open
02:54he will
02:55make a bunch of points yeah well okay and and again in that in that quarter i mean it was
02:59basically it
02:59was it was hard and mitchell were the only ones that combined for points up until like two minutes
03:02left in the third and then hard and with some of the dying passes that he had he should have
03:06had he
03:07had 11 assists when it was all said and done he should have had like 15 16 if sam merrill
03:10would
03:11have hit as many open threes as he was given by harden uh he would have that number one it
03:14would
03:14have been much higher it was just an incredible and even mobley let's let's give mobley some credit
03:18too mobley defensively was outstanding in that game also just from the first minute to the 48th minute
03:25the calves and this is literally the first time they've done it in this postseason they didn't put 48
03:31complete minutes of this well okay technically it was 47 because the last minute they put 48
03:36complete minutes against toronto and they sure as hell haven't done it in the piston series
03:40from start to finish the game they played with the requisite intensity there was a slight
03:46like glitch here or there but for the most part the the pistons make a little run and the calves
03:52make a run right back like that's the kind of if they can show that on the road the calves
03:56might
03:57actually be able to go to the nba finals this year yeah no one now that's the big question right
04:00is
04:00can they do this on the road and that's kind of what we're hanging on to is can whatever happens
04:04at home
04:04will it transfer to the road and we'll find out tomorrow night now my favorite thing about sports
04:09in general is at some point you know things happen you talk some bleep and eventually the basketball
04:18gods correct it i think we i think we got something about this last night because calves got the free
04:23throw uh aligned quite a bit the pistons did not it was a significant discrepancy 12 free throw shots
04:29from the pistons last night now remember after game two donovan mitchell was furious i think he'd
04:35only been to the free throw line two times that night no no he had two free throw shots that
04:39night
04:39and donovan come out and said i guess i'm gonna have to think about flopping here was jb bickerstaff's
04:44response after donovan's comments uh the night before i mean it's all you know donovan's very
04:50intelligent you know what i mean and it's all messaging and we understand that but you know again
04:56our message is flopping is a violation all right so it's all messaging well here was jb bickerstaff's
05:01messaging after the pistons only got 12 free throw shots last night it's unacceptable it is we didn't do
05:08enough obviously to help ourselves and i'll start there but you know ever since we came to cleveland
05:14the whistle has changed you know there's no way that one guy on their team shoots more free throws
05:19than our team you know we're not a settled team we're not a jump shooting team you know we drive
05:23the ball
05:23attack the paint you know so what was done out there tonight it's frustrating but we can't allow
05:28that to be the reason why because we didn't play well enough and play to the best of our capabilities
05:33but again you look at the foul count you look at the disparity and that's hard to overcome and you
05:38wonder you know the reason why it's interesting you know since kenny made his comments publicly about
05:43you know us the whistles changed in this series yeah it's all messaging yeah it's interesting uh you know
05:49donovan did have 15 shots himself the pistons team had 12 i mean we did talk about this after
05:54jb made his own comments was like this is how the nba works yeah like this is why kenny had
05:58to take the
05:5925 or 50 000 fine that he ends up getting assessed for his comments and why donovan had to say
06:03what he
06:04had to say like it does work in the nba like the refs when you call them out they then
06:08typically respond
06:09and now if i'm if i'm a pistons fan do i look at it and say yeah it's a little
06:13one-sided sure uh where was
06:15the commentary on games one and two yeah all you're doing is just you're just showing yourself
06:19hey i welcome to the nba one and two is a well-officiated game but games three and four i
06:23guess just aren't okay home teams get more foul calls than you do oh okay oh gosh i feel like
06:29i
06:29feel like jb listen jb bigger staff the same thing he said about donovan it's all messaging that's all
06:34this is he's trying to get him swung back his favor he knows what a hypocrite he sounds like after
06:39the comments you first played he does and but he's got to do it then i gotta say i have
06:43a different
06:44point on jb to make about this entire series in a way that i just did not expect it to
06:48be i i really
06:50and i don't want to get to but i think my point is watching pistons fans watching our friends there
06:56at the ticket in detroit they think they got robbed and hosed melt down uh and and act like by
07:03the way
07:03that this was actually a nine-point game god i just get the clamps out because i'm feeling myself here
07:10after watching them gloat for the first two games do for you i think you know what they do
07:15and the point is watching them gloat as if it's the greatest team in history and oh we're just
07:20gonna cakewalk through this series who's walking on cake now larry like what you got this way we got
07:27some juice going here who's walking on cake now larry yeah that's why i'm calling them all they're
07:32all larry yeah they are detroit larry fan they all got jim john mike no that's it all every detroit
07:39fan is not larry as far as this show is concerned every detroit fan is larry it is decided their
07:43their host is only jim costa and their fan is only larry yep all right yeah he speaks about going
07:48to
07:48the lca i hate that term for little caesar's arena um also oh nope not gonna let that no just
07:54please do
07:55it not gonna let that one out their basketball team and their people go for it uh no i think
08:00that's
08:00enough i don't have to insult their pizza as well oh maybe i just did didn't see that twist coming
08:08yeah what an m night shaman twist that think about that you getting on pizza was not in the cards
08:12i
08:12don't know now me getting on one certain brand of pizza all other pizza's great uh yeah so i i
08:18mean
08:18it's just very hypocritical and that's fine but like this is how the nba works this is what they have
08:22to do nick this is this is the back and forth like jp's got to come out and say these
08:26even if he
08:27doesn't believe him you have to he knows what happened in yesterday's game kate cunningham didn't even
08:31get to 20 cunningham's been awful now two games straight now and you can make an argument has been
08:35awful the entire series long like like his his stars aren't playing like stars and that's why
08:41they're losing these games meanwhile ours came to play yesterday and for the first time you can say
08:45it in the the four games his team got their butt whooped like just on i mean without even a
08:51question
08:52and when i say butt whooped i mean they got outsmarted they got out hustled they got out physicaled
08:57and that's a tough one to go to but you can't say those three things you can say we didn't
09:03get foul calls
09:04yeah i mean i try to explain a 24 and a run try to explain that any other way like
09:09if you're jb
09:09uh like and maybe it's actually it's not a it's not an awful tactic if you're jb because you're trying
09:14to come up with a way that describes how you just got deep pantsed while making it seem like you
09:18didn't
09:18just get deep pantsed no i do have to say duncan robinson was making a run at this old jimmy
09:24neutron
09:24doesn't seem quite so bad now that they've lost two straight games i i say uh beef stew isaiah stew
09:30completely not even in the series at all no uh yet jalen duran kind of inconsequential even
09:38cade cunningham has been great early in the series but like he's not playing like a villain right he's
09:44just being a good basketball player i gained a lot of hate for tobias harris that i didn't know i
09:47was
09:47gonna have i think you're just mad at him because he's having a really good series i can't i kind
09:51of
09:52respect the hustle like a 36 year old player he was pretty awful last night all things he was yeah
09:56yeah
09:56but he did get a couple of those easy looks which just are infuriating i did not see i did
10:00not have
10:01in my bingo card four games into the series jb bigger staff being the biggest villain in this
10:06series for from the calves perspective like every time he speaks i kind of just want to shout him down
10:11uh he he does he he's he's torn between gloating after the first two games and whining after the last
10:18two games i i didn't think this series i thought once the series got underway this was going to be
10:23all
10:23about all right maybe beef stew versus jared allen maybe it's cade cunningham versus this player
10:28nope it has become cleveland versus jb bigger staff and i am surprised at how well jb bigger staff is
10:36playing the heel card well and how much i want to beat his ass right now we kept hearing about
10:41the
10:41the bad boys pistons we kept hearing about all these guys on this team that were supposed to be
10:45all the toughest the toughest players in the nba and all these they just love to fight they love to
10:50scrap it up i don't know calves look like the tougher team so far in the series that's in an
10:54interesting development the calves look like the tougher team in this series for the last two games
10:58it's true though is it not through the last two games yes all right i can't give them for the
11:02first
11:02two games they got punked the first two games can we all admit i don't know they really wanted
11:08anything about the first two only thing we had in the first two games was a duncan robinson james
11:12hardens square down oh i just think which i said is getting carjacked by a muppet that's not real
11:16that's duncan robinson the calves were really shying away from going up at the the rim they
11:20were certainly shy away from defending the rim at certain points i mean evan mobley the last
11:25three minutes of the first two games basically was a turnstile for jaylen duran but the last two
11:31games played bad basketball before i'd say it was like mentally and weak soft and all these other
11:36things like the last two games has made up for the first two if we're doing a barometer
11:40of like you know you're not buying this no last night makes you don't think the last two is
11:44overtaken uh the first two when the the calves are soft narrative or the calves are uh no playing
11:50at least tougher than the pistons i believe this would be the 15th time the cleveland media has
11:55tried to bail to bury the calves are soft label but the pistons built their whole identity on being
12:01tough and in the last two games they have not seemed tough in the slightest bet i think last night
12:05the
12:05pistons looked real soft i will give that uh now i need to see the cash soft i i agree
12:11last night
12:11the first three games i think the pistons were the tougher team the calves won the last two games
12:16but i think and i and i hope that the calves remembered ah if we play like this with this
12:22sense of urgency for 48 minutes those clowns are you not buying what you saw last night do you think
12:27it was a one-off well i mean if it's the first time in the postseason i can say for
12:3248 minutes you
12:33play harder than the other team i'm getting your vibe i'm getting your i'm getting where you sit here
12:36now so specific to uh dear uh donovan and james no that shouldn't be a one-off those are two
12:42exceptional basketball players who should be better than whatever pistons throw at you minus kate
12:47cunningham so i expect that horton and that mitchell to show up right like like that's something i think
12:54can be repeated again because i think the calves are finding ways to get those guys better looks right
12:59calves just having the sense of urgency necessary and out playing the pistons and out physicaling the
13:05pistons i've seen that once for a full game i didn't see that all of game three and i sure
13:10as
13:10hell didn't see it for game one and two i think i think last night was such an exclamation point
13:14of
13:14how to do it where they again that 11 point deficit gets erased and then all of a sudden i've
13:19seen
13:19calves teams wilt when that happens what about the final 90 seconds of the game where the calves were
13:24up by 20 points or up around 20 points and then it then we got the we got craig porter
13:30jr in there
13:30and then we had to pull him back out that was like 25 seconds of the game well no no
13:33but remember the
13:34calves were up by it wasn't 20 i thought it was 17 but it might be 16 and then it
13:40went down to 10
13:41real real quick because the calves thought they won the game with like 90 seconds left so i mean
13:46again like i i want the soft i guess my thing is i'm not i'm not just the first sign
13:51the first bit
13:52of evidence i have that the calves are no longer soft i'm not taking that as fact i'm taking it
13:57as
13:57encouraging but taking it like it's a whole new calves team okay let's start a whole new calves team but
14:04uh in the if it was a danny today that said the calves get rid of the soft he's like
14:08get rid of
14:08the soft label that's that's insane that's been a label for four years they by the way the calves tried
14:14to do this this summer they said after the after they got bounced out by indiana they told everyone
14:19we got to get tougher and then over the summer no toughness acquired and then atkinson and altman
14:24were like yeah that's done we got tougher where show me on the dole where you got tougher
14:30and then we spent an entire season watching them not be tough and we saw the toronto series go seven
14:37because toronto was like we're gonna play tough and see if you can match us and it took seven games
14:41to match him yeah and so it's taken four games to get to that point and like the idea of
14:47saying like
14:47hey man we had one and again it was a great game last night it was everything i want but
14:52it's less
14:52to me it's less about the calves it's more about the idea that the pistons whole everything is built on
14:56a
14:56a house of toughness and the idea that their toughness disappears after one game and not
15:01after one game i the whole series they haven't seemed tough to me that's kind of like a big
15:05takeaway because they haven't been cheap like it's chopped it's i guess we need to define what
15:11toughness is for ourselves here because toughness isn't just winning the game toughness isn't just
15:14out shooting a team toughness isn't just limiting turnovers or doing anything like that toughness is
15:19whether or not you uh let a guy get to the basket for instance toughness is whether or not you
15:23uh have a response towards certain moments in the game like there's certain there's certain
15:27elements of toughness that that have to come into play i just think of physicality and i think the
15:32pistons again like i haven't seen like durin's supposed to be one of the toughest guys that
15:36exists and he's been as soft as soft gets this series i think you're forgetting the first two games
15:40this season or the first two no no he was he was no i don't mean just durin i mean
15:44they were more
15:45physical than you the first two games and it wasn't even close i where i'm trying to find where
15:51on the court on the court yeah give me an example john hollinger doesn't have a score for it an
15:57example um it was watch the first two games it's not even one it's it's they they pushed you around
16:02the calves were afraid to go to the rim donovan donovan was doing the little floater half the
16:06time because he just didn't want the oh and if the other half the time he was bailing out of
16:10driving
16:11and had an irresponsible kick to some guard that had no business shooting a three-pointer i guess i'm
16:16looking more for the uh if the idea was that they're a tough team and they're supposed to be more
16:19slam i i maybe something like that maybe more maybe more of a rough and tumble type thing like
16:24the whole idea was is that they were just gonna rough trade they were just well i mean think about
16:28it like they're the team that had the melee against the hornets during the regular season like if they
16:31if they're the team that's going to muddy it up kind of like what they did at certain parts of
16:35the
16:35magic series we've not seen them muddy it up in the slightest but we had one i think you've got
16:39some calves amnesia there we had one incidental contact with schroeder and that's about it in this series
16:44you
16:44you
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