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00:00Now, all right, we're having all this fun talking all this ish
00:03and talking about people talking ish about other players.
00:06Last night, Charles Barkley told Draymond Green,
00:11who is now a part of that panel with Barkley, Kenny Smith.
00:17I can't remember if Shaq was on there
00:18because Draymond was actually sitting in Shaq's chair.
00:21It was just Draymond, Ernie, me, and Chuck.
00:24So I guess Shaq taking the night off and giving way to Draymond Green,
00:27who's now an NBA analyst because his team's no longer playing basketball.
00:31Yeah, he's going to be, I mean, for all intents and purposes,
00:34he is going to be a TV guy when his career is also.
00:38Oh, I think so.
00:39TV, podcaster, all of the above, maybe.
00:41He's actually not bad.
00:42No, he's not.
00:44Barkley last night, though, to Draymond Green's face,
00:49told him that his team, the Golden State Warriors, run is over.
00:54Well, it's over for the Warriors.
00:56There you go.
00:56I mean, no, no, no disrespect.
00:58What disrespect is there?
01:00No, no, no.
01:01No, no disrespect, disrespect.
01:03It ends for every old team.
01:06You have your run.
01:07You get old.
01:08Y'all let Clay go.
01:10You and Steph on the backside of y'all careers.
01:13It just passed you by.
01:15Y'all had one of the greatest runs ever.
01:18If you think you're not in the playoffs,
01:22you think you're going to get healthier for next year,
01:25you're just going to get older.
01:26That's no disrespect.
01:27You guys have one of the greatest runs of all time.
01:29If you want to compete, you're going to have to leave there.
01:33If Steph wants to compete, he's going to have to leave there.
01:36You're going to have to make that decision.
01:38What if they bring the right pieces in?
01:39They can't bring the right pieces.
01:41Why?
01:41Because they don't have no cap space.
01:43Okay.
01:44They don't have any cap space.
01:45Do you believe this?
01:46Do you believe that you believe what he's talking over here?
01:49Well, that was what I would say.
01:53We had to hug for a reason.
01:55Right?
01:56Like, we're not.
01:56Because it's over.
01:57We're not oblivious.
01:58Yeah, yeah.
01:58So, like, this could be the end.
02:01It would leave.
02:02That's the thing that makes me laugh.
02:03All right.
02:04So, there was obviously a retort from Draymond Green.
02:08And this is the shortened version, but it's the more pertinent version of Draymond Green
02:14responding to Charles Barkley.
02:17And I have to admit, like, I caught these clips last night out of order.
02:22And so, when I first, this was the first clip that I'm about to play for you, I saw
02:27this one first.
02:27And I thought people were misconstruing what Draymond Green was saying, and then after
02:33putting it all together, that's not exactly the case.
02:35This is Draymond Green saying their goal, as the Golden State Warriors, is to not look
02:42like somebody that he's sitting right across of.
02:44Nobody wins when they're 37-38.
02:47I bet you said what you said.
02:48I want to hear if he believes what you're talking.
02:51Yeah, I mean, I think the goal is just to not look like you in the Houston Rockets uniform.
02:57Yeah.
02:57So, it's ultimately the goal for us.
02:59Like, we don't want to.
03:01What does that look like?
03:03Did you see it?
03:04I'm just asking.
03:05I saw it.
03:07All right.
03:08Did you catch what he said?
03:09Yeah.
03:10The goal is not to look like you in a Houston Rockets uniform.
03:13That's the first clip I saw last night.
03:16I thought Draymond Green was saying the goal is to not look like you, as in you're in a
03:24Houston Rockets uniform.
03:25Like, I thought he was trying to, like, you know, fire straight at this year's Houston
03:31Rockets because they got bounced the way that they did against the Lakers.
03:35That's what I thought he was doing.
03:37But he said you, as in literally you, Charles Barkley, and what you looked like when you
03:43finished your NBA career as a Houston Rocket from 96 to, I think it was 99, his final three
03:49three seasons in the NBA.
03:51Yeah.
03:51Chuck's last year was the 99-2000 season.
03:55And Draymond had literally just turned 10.
03:59Mm-hmm.
03:59Which is fine, right?
04:01But...
04:01So I seen it.
04:03You're full of crap.
04:04Oh, and that's the thing.
04:05Like, I seen it.
04:05Like, that's what threw me off.
04:07It's like, I've seen it.
04:08I thought he meant, like, he's seen this Rockets team.
04:11Like, and he has seen this Rockets team.
04:14He saw the Rockets team lose to them last year in Game 7.
04:18And I just thought that's what he was getting at.
04:20Not the case, though.
04:21He was trying to get back at Barkley, who in that first cut had a pretty big emphasis
04:26on the word old and was talking about their ages and how if they still want to compete,
04:30they're going to have to go do so elsewhere between him and Steph Curry.
04:35And I would imagine he feels that way about other players as well, right?
04:38But here's the thing.
04:41If you look at Charles Barkley's last three years with the Houston Rockets,
04:48Charles Barkley did not say anything to stop Draymond Green in his analysis of not wanting
04:57to look like him as a Rocket.
04:58Barkley let him talk.
05:01Why?
05:02Barkley agrees.
05:04Barkley knows he was ass.
05:05You know how I know he knows he was ass?
05:07Because he said so two weeks ago on the Dan Patrick Show.
05:10Take a listen.
05:11I was happy with my career, and I want to just finish it out.
05:14Because I knew my body was starting to give out.
05:18But, no, to answer your question, yes, I wish the Houston chapter.
05:23Because, you know, I played good my first two years.
05:26My last two years, I sucked as a player.
05:28But, you know, I was done.
05:31That was Charles Barkley on the Dan Patrick Show talking about how his time ended in the NBA with the
05:36Houston Rockets.
05:37He made no bones about how bad he was as a player.
05:41How a Hall of Famer felt he was playing.
05:45And then yet, we, and generally speaking, we in the media and fans, Nick Wright being one of them,
05:51who stepped into this Twitter back and forth with people posting all these videos, Nick Wright was saying,
05:58like, Draymond is kind of overstepping his bounds, and I'm paraphrasing.
06:02Hold on a minute, bro.
06:04Look at Barkley's last three years.
06:06He was 18-12, you know, his first year with the Rockets or something like that.
06:10Well, he's 19-13.5.
06:12Okay, whatever.
06:13Close enough, right?
06:14And then, look, the numbers dipped.
06:16So did his health.
06:17And what went up is three-point shots.
06:19There was an interview.
06:20It might have been that same one where Barkley admits.
06:22It was like, dude, I was old.
06:23I was fat.
06:24And, you know, I was just shooting a bunch of threes.
06:27But that's actually not true because he averaged, even in this last season, less than one and a half threes
06:33per game.
06:34Yeah, but how many threes?
06:36Okay, you were talking about his last season?
06:38Yeah.
06:38Like, look at his three-point numbers.
06:40Did they or did they not, like, increase as a Houston Rocket?
06:42No, they dropped.
06:43As a Houston Rocket, they dropped?
06:45Let me see that.
06:46Let me see your numbers.
06:47His first year in Houston, he shot four threes a game and 28%.
06:52Yeah, four threes.
06:53Then he shot 1.2, 0.6, and 1.3.
06:58Yeah, yeah.
06:59But four threes, you know, his first year as a Houston Rocket.
07:01I'm just telling you what he said.
07:03He compares himself to his prime self when he had three, four, five, six, seven top six MVP finishes and
07:18an MVP in a year where Michael Jordan was fully healthy.
07:23Right.
07:23But you don't think Draymond Green knows Chuck, you know, did all of those things?
07:27Oh, I think Draymond Green is deliberately being disrespectful because you know what?
07:33In Chuck's last year where, by his own admission, he, quote, sucked, he averaged 14.5 and 10.5.
07:43Yeah.
07:45And did that with three assists while still shooting 48% from the field.
07:52Well, that's what I'm saying.
07:53Would you like to tell me how many seasons Draymond Green ever averaged?
08:0014.5 and 10.5.
08:02That's irrelevant.
08:03No, it is relevant.
08:04No, no, no.
08:04Let me finish.
08:05Because Draymond has never had a single season as good as Chuck's worst season.
08:12I'm going to finish now.
08:13That's irrelevant because Draymond Green said Steve Kerr hindered his career, if you remember last week.
08:19Well, yeah, I mean, that's pretty much, I might as well just say, you know, the reason why, you know,
08:27I'm down here doing nicest because, you know, an old GM hindered my career, not because I was in an
08:35entirely different career path for 15 years.
08:38No, no, no, no, no, no.
08:39This one person who's the reason why I made a zillion dollars and why I have all these championships and
08:47accolades, that guy screwed me over.
08:50Yeah.
08:50Right.
08:51Look, I think Chuck was definitely trying to get under Draymond Green's skin, but I don't know that Draymond Green
08:58can get under a Hall of Famer's skin, which is why I think Chuck, and I'm bringing this up to
09:04make this point,
09:05Chuck can be, you know, where we would say, like, oh, he's being very humble
09:10and, you know, just kind of talk down on himself
09:14because he knows how great of a career he had.
09:17He knows he's got all of the pelts on the wall except the championship, right?
09:22And that's something that Draymond can needle him over and over and over again.
09:26But Chuck will tell you he's very content with his career.
09:29He has said that multiple times.
09:32You can't get under Charles Barkley's skin.
09:34Like, he can get under your skin.
09:36And Chuck don't have to go at him for, you know, being full of crap
09:39because you know what?
09:40The entire world's going to go at him for being full of crap,
09:43like, literally right after he made those moronic comments.
09:47Yeah.
09:48Here's the other thing, too, though.
09:49It's so many people, like I was saying, like Nick Wright and, man,
09:54there was somebody else.
09:55It was on the tip of my tongue and I can't remember.
09:58They were coming to, you know, the defense of Charles Barkley
10:03after Draymond had made those comments.
10:06And, again, you don't need to come to his defense because Barkley,
10:11he himself has said how bad of a player in his mind he felt he was
10:16the last three years in Houston.
10:17In that interview, we played that clip, actually, a few weeks ago
10:21when it first came out on this show in a different context
10:25because it was about Houston and how Barkley did not want to be a Houston Rocket.
10:31Barkley wanted to end his career as a Phoenix Sun.
10:34He wanted to be there and call it a career.
10:38And he'd felt like if he had stayed with the Suns,
10:41I think he'd mentioned the Rockets, the Suns,
10:45and it might have been the Jazz at the time that he'd felt like
10:49those three teams had the best shot to go win a title.
10:52And this is, mind you, after the Rockets had already won the title,
10:55but those teams, they were still very relevant.
10:59It just so happened the Rockets decided to turn the world upside down here,
11:03change uniforms, change the team, trade fan favorites,
11:06and bring in guys like Charles Barkley.
11:09And he didn't want that.
11:10And that's why we played it because of him saying,
11:14wow, I didn't want to be a Houston Rocket.
11:16Didn't he?
11:16Yeah, didn't in the Dan Patrick interview,
11:19he said that he wished he'd never got traded from Phoenix to Houston
11:23or something along the lines of it was just unexpected.
11:26Unexpected because his front office in Phoenix lied to him.
11:33Does Phoenix have a long running of having a very bad front office at that time?
11:38I don't know.
11:39I can't speak to it.
11:40And if they do, or if they did rather,
11:43pretty impressive that they were able to win as many games
11:46and assemble as much talent as they did
11:48and stay relevant for as long as they did, right?
11:50And another thing, this is also why ring culture is such a big problem sometimes
11:56because people don't, you know, people that only focus on rings
12:00or put a very big emphasis on it,
12:02they don't look at Charles Barkley sometimes in the same light as Draymond Green,
12:08even though Draymond Green, I mean, nine times out of ten,
12:12I'm sure you ask somebody, they're going to take Charles Barkley over Draymond Green
12:16because of what Charles was able to do in his career,
12:18being that big rebounder who was big for his size,
12:23but also just so athletic.
12:25Charles Barkley having zero rings should have nothing to do with how his career was.
12:33He's a Hall of Famer for a reason.
12:35The only person who's taking,
12:37saying that Draymond Green's a better player than Charles Barkley
12:40is Draymond when he's drunk.
12:42Do you think Draymond believes that deep down?
12:45No, but that's why somebody's drunk.
12:47There's a guy, Scott Caxmar.
12:51I think that's how you say his name.
12:52He's an NFL writer.
12:54And I follow him on Twitter.
12:56He's really good, you know, with all sports,
12:58with thoughts and stuff like that.
13:00But he'd said actually a couple of nights ago,
13:03in fact, it might have been that night,
13:05and it might have been this audio that kind of spurred the take
13:10by Caxmar in that ring culture.
13:14Here's the problem with ring culture,
13:16and he pointed to a situation within a game that had happened that night,
13:19and it's like, look, this guy who's, you know, won rings
13:25had one of the worst games on his team
13:28and turned the ball over seven times,
13:30and then here's another guy over here
13:32that did not have any rings in LeBron James.
13:36It was a LeBron James point.
13:38And it was a night where, what, James had 26 points,
13:4110 boards, seven dimes.
13:42It was that first game, and it's like,
13:44what more do you want the guy to do?
13:45Like, he had a great game, and he's got all the rings.
13:49Does that make him, like, you know,
13:51not the greatest player of all time?
13:53But then look at this other guy that, you know,
13:56because he doesn't have any rings and had a really bad game,
13:59is he, like, the worst player of all time?
14:01Ring culture's definitely a thing.
14:04But the likability factor, too, between Barkley and Green,
14:07how many more people like Barkley than Draymond Green?
14:11Everyone.
14:12Everyone, right?
14:12Who's more likable, right?
14:14Now, who's more polarizing?
14:16When Chuck first came on, like,
14:18I don't know that he was very likable.
14:20He was, like, way more brash,
14:22and it was more surprising back in the day
14:24when he started on the NBA on TNT and stuff.
14:28I feel like, though, they probably got told to tone things back.
14:32I don't know about tone it back.
14:33I think Chuck's gotten better at it,
14:35and he's become older.
14:36And with that, like, they've had more fun on the show,
14:39and he's become likable.
14:41He's become, like, the crazy pawpaw
14:43that's going to say wild stuff.
14:44I've always liked Charles Barkley growing up,
14:47especially watching games on NBA on TNT.
14:49I mean, I've always...
14:50It's just, you know, people take clips,
14:52and they think, oh, look at this jackass.
14:54Like, no, he's got a great personality,
14:57but he also provides really good NBA analysis and insight.
15:01Yeah, it's fun.
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