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00:00:00Kesha!

00:00:01Kesha to your luck! Kesha to your luck!

00:00:04We all grow up thinking fame and fortune will solve all of our problems.

00:00:09Turns out that is just not true.

00:00:11Guess what time it is?

00:00:13Wake up in the morning.

00:00:14Wake up in the morning.

00:00:15Wake up in the morning.

00:00:17Set a record for female artists.

00:00:18Timber may be topping the billboard charts for yet another week.

00:00:22Are you filming this?

00:00:22I don't want this thing to end.

00:00:24At the battle between Kesha and her producer, Dr. Luke is heating up.

00:00:28He controlled her music releases, her publishing, and her public image.

00:00:31Judge ruled Kesha has to stick with this contract.

00:00:34Despite her claims, she was such an assault.

00:00:37Who I was is dead.

00:00:41Step her back in the spotlight.

00:00:42Fucking life changing.

00:00:44Musically, she's at the top of her game.

00:00:46You. Don't. Own. Me.

00:00:53What is up daddy gang?

00:00:55It is your founding father, Alex Cooper.

00:00:57We call her daddy.

00:01:00We call her daddy.

00:01:02Kasha, welcome to call her daddy.

00:01:04I'm so excited.

00:01:05I am so excited.

00:01:07You are Grammy nominated musician.

00:01:09You have put out truly some of the most popular songs of all time.

00:01:13And you have been in the public eye for almost two decades.

00:01:16You have had some incredibly high highs, some really low lows.

00:01:21And I feel like through it all, you have just been and be continue to become such an inspiration for

00:01:27women everywhere.

00:01:28And I'm a fan.

00:01:29So like.

00:01:30So happy to be with you today.

00:01:32Seriously.

00:01:32Really happy to be here too.

00:01:34Is this true?

00:01:34I heard you're doing samurai training.

00:01:37Oh, yeah.

00:01:37I just did a samurai training.

00:01:40Yes.

00:01:41How does one get into samurai training?

00:01:44Well, that is a long story.

00:01:47Okay.

00:01:48But let's just say there's a place called Samurai Island.

00:01:52And you can go and like really learn the wisdom of the samurai.

00:01:57Okay.

00:01:57I believe this gentleman is 64th generation samurai.

00:02:02And a huge thing I got out of taking the samurai class was you're not supposed to think with your

00:02:09head.

00:02:10You're not even supposed to think with your heart.

00:02:11You're actually supposed to think literally and listen to your body and your gut.

00:02:15But the samurai training comes as one of the many things I do for healing.

00:02:22And like my healing journey has been mythological, but it's also been so fun.

00:02:28Like it led me to samurai training.

00:02:29That makes so much sense because I was like samurai training.

00:02:32Like how did we get there?

00:02:33But it's actually crazy to even hear you explain that because I feel like as women, we can be so

00:02:39disconnected from our body understandably.

00:02:41So to have you doing something that is forcing you to be like in your body leading with your body.

00:02:48And what's like the end goal of the samurai training?

00:02:51Well, my end goal is I actually ended up making out with the samurai's assistant, but that didn't mean to

00:02:59be my end goal.

00:03:01You're like, I want to kill all of my enemies with my samurai sword.

00:03:04You're like, oh, just get a good make out.

00:03:06No, I was just the goal in all of it, I think, is to live a joyful life in my

00:03:15body, in my power, presently with gratitude, inauthenticity.

00:03:22That's the goal of everything I do these days.

00:03:25As you should.

00:03:26Before the samurai training, before being a musician, you were focused on school and you planned to study religion at

00:03:33Barnard, which is like a top tier school in the United States.

00:03:37What do you think you would be doing right now had you kept going with that direction?

00:03:42Well, it's so interesting because I actually have been considering going back to divinity school.

00:03:48You're so fucking interesting.

00:03:50But I have been like flirting with the idea of going to divinity school because I'm so fascinated with like

00:04:00the structures of humanity and what makes people do the things that they do.

00:04:06And what do people believe in and like how to live a beautiful life in the light.

00:04:12Like I'm so fascinated with that.

00:04:14I used to have my mom drive me from church to church and she's like, whose child are you?

00:04:17Because I just wanted to find like community.

00:04:21You know, I love community.

00:04:23I love creating community.

00:04:24I think community is really important.

00:04:26Of course.

00:04:27Do you have any like daily rituals or practices that you engage in every day?

00:04:34Yes, I do.

00:04:35Um, I wake up and the first thing I do is listen to a gratitude meditation by Dr.

00:04:40Joe Dispenza.

00:04:41High recommend.

00:04:43Um, then I got side and I try to be naked in the sun for 20 minutes.

00:04:48Do you have a private backyard or what's happened?

00:04:50I don't know.

00:04:51Do I?

00:04:52You're like wherever I can get the sun.

00:04:55Well, that actually like being comfortable in my nudity is kind of an active resistance too.

00:05:01Cause after being a pop star from 2009 to current present day, like I have like almost just started waging

00:05:12a war against my own body.

00:05:13Do two things I read about myself.

00:05:16And I just internalize this, like all these external voices.

00:05:20So to then be in my body enough to just be like, fuck it.

00:05:25I'm going to be naked in my backyard and I'm going to call my tour the tits out tour.

00:05:29Like that is also an active resistance.

00:05:31Like I don't hate my body anymore.

00:05:33I actually love my body.

00:05:35And I went to Italy and I like ate a lot of pasta and I love it.

00:05:39Like it's so cunty to just like be in your body and love it.

00:05:44And it's so hard.

00:05:46It's so hard.

00:05:47And the world does not want you to do that.

00:05:49Isn't it so fucked up though, that I feel like sometimes it takes us having such horrible shit happen to

00:05:57you as a woman where you're pushed to the point of seeing that you can't win no matter what you

00:06:03have been literally dragged through the mud in every direction.

00:06:05And then you're like, at some point, I think I got to just decide, like, I'm not going to have

00:06:10it.

00:06:10But like, it's so horrible that we it takes us to the end of the earth, essentially, to be like,

00:06:15now I can stand outside in the sun and fucking naked and be like, hallelujah, I fucking love my life.

00:06:20And like, I don't care if somebody can see who gives a shit, who gives a shit.

00:06:24That's something I wish somebody told me.

00:06:27Nobody cares.

00:06:30Nobody cares.

00:06:31Like they might care for like a headline, but like nobody actually cares.

00:06:34We all think everyone is so consumed with what we're doing.

00:06:37They're not.

00:06:38They don't care.

00:06:39I mean, I have been through so many things and I like was walking around like, oh, my God, everyone

00:06:45knows that you can probably Google a picture of my butthole.

00:06:51Probably like so many of the things in my life are on the Internet that should not be on the

00:06:55Internet.

00:06:56Don't know how I got there.

00:06:57Don't like that it's there, but you could probably do it.

00:06:59So I'm walking around being like so much like embarrassment.

00:07:03And then I kind of realized like nobody cares.

00:07:06Nobody, nobody cares.

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00:07:21Where am I in my life right now?

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00:08:32Daddy gang, I was going through my liked songs yesterday, and it is crazy to see how many eras of

00:08:38my life I have been through.

00:08:39There were some down, bad breakup songs.

00:08:43There are my happy and love songs.

00:08:45There's my teen angsty music still on there from high school.

00:08:48And let's just say I've, you know, I've had a lot of phases.

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00:09:43Okay, you had an interesting upbringing in the sense that your mom chose to have you on her own.

00:09:49Yeah.

00:09:49There was no man romantically involved in her life.

00:09:53When you got older, how did she talk to you about this?

00:09:58Ha!

00:10:00Well, I met, I've like met some of the people that may be my birth father.

00:10:06Okay.

00:10:06But she really wanted a Pisces.

00:10:09So here I am.

00:10:10Triple Pisces.

00:10:12And so I have met some of the people that might be my birth father.

00:10:17And she was like, who do you look more like?

00:10:20And I was like, mom, no, stop.

00:10:24Stop it.

00:10:25But so, yeah, that's how.

00:10:28And can you explain your mother wanting a Pisces?

00:10:30What are some characteristics?

00:10:32Well, the Pisces, supposedly, it's like the last in the cycle of the astrological signs.

00:10:41Okay.

00:10:42So like, we're the last.

00:10:43I've been told I'm in my last lifetime multiple times.

00:10:46We're very emotional.

00:10:48We're very in touch with like, all things spiritual.

00:10:52We're like one foot in the ether vibes.

00:10:56So you believe in past lives?

00:10:57Oh, yeah.

00:10:58I have a song called Past Lives.

00:10:59What do you think you were doing back then?

00:11:01I think I was burned at the stake.

00:11:03I definitely was a man.

00:11:05And I like have, this is like a delusion that's helped me in a lot of ways.

00:11:11But I like to think that I am the reincarnation of Athena.

00:11:17So.

00:11:18As you should.

00:11:19You know what?

00:11:19Whatever works.

00:11:20You're like, you also can just decide what your past lives were.

00:11:25Whatever you think is like the cuntiest thing.

00:11:27Go for it.

00:11:28That is who you fucking were in your past life, bitch.

00:11:30Okay.

00:11:31So you weren't necessarily raised by any male figures in your life.

00:11:36What did your mom teach you by being kind of this like single mother role about independence?

00:11:43I mean, it taught me so much.

00:11:45I'm so grateful.

00:11:45I saw a woman that just did it all.

00:11:49Like she wrote iconic songs.

00:11:51She wrote songs for Dolly Parton and Johnny Cash.

00:11:53And like, she's so cool.

00:11:55And she raised three kids all on her own.

00:11:59And she also is like really instrumental in like the positive, the power of looking at your life positively and

00:12:11deciding who you want to be and what you're going to do.

00:12:14She really always was like, don't say like, oh, maybe I'll be a pop star.

00:12:20She said like, I'm going to be a pop star like this.

00:12:23It's like a little delusional, but it also worked to really believe in yourself.

00:12:30Was she at all hesitant about you getting into this crazy industry?

00:12:38Um, I think she, she always warned me that it was hard.

00:12:42Yeah.

00:12:43But I like literally was yodeling by the age of three in the backyard.

00:12:48Like she'd be like, you're so loud.

00:12:51Go yodel in the backyard.

00:12:52And so I'd be like wandering around the backyard yodeling.

00:12:55She's like, what is she going to do?

00:12:57Like I knew what I was supposed to do.

00:12:59I came out of the womb yodeling.

00:13:01Like that's, do you still yodel?

00:13:04I mean, like in TikTok, the, oh, is like my weird, spooky monster mash voice version of a yodel kind

00:13:19of.

00:13:20So, so you brought it into your adult life and into your music, just like in a little bit of

00:13:25a different way than when you were three.

00:13:26Listen, I don't know.

00:13:27Whatever that is, I did that.

00:13:29We're not mad about it.

00:13:31Um, okay.

00:13:32You blew up when you released the song, TikTok back in 2009.

00:13:36I need you to know, I don't know what it was.

00:13:40It was some type of thing that you could submit a music video to and then you could try to

00:13:44win.

00:13:45I made one.

00:13:46Are we going to watch it?

00:13:47No, no, no, no, no.

00:13:48I'm like, roll the clip.

00:13:49But I made my dad take my best friend, Kristen and I to New York City and we made a

00:13:53full TikTok music video.

00:13:56I actually think it was kind of good.

00:13:58Spoiler alert.

00:13:58I think we have to see it.

00:13:59I didn't win.

00:14:00I'll pull it up for you after.

00:14:02Yeah, I'm going to send it to you because it's, it's not embarrassing because I know the type of person

00:14:06you are.

00:14:07You'd be like, slay queen.

00:14:08Yes, like, get it, bitch.

00:14:09Brace face.

00:14:10Love it.

00:14:10But I was a huge, like, I was in it.

00:14:12Like, I was there.

00:14:13I was loving it.

00:14:14And I just remember that era so clearly.

00:14:16So I want to go through a couple walk down memory lanes with you.

00:14:20There's some pictures next to your chair.

00:14:23Reach down and pull them up.

00:14:24Okay.

00:14:24I want you to just tell me what you feel by looking at these pictures.

00:14:28And what do you remember?

00:14:30I'm, like, so happy about it.

00:14:34I'm really happy about this.

00:14:36I, like, yes.

00:14:39You know what?

00:14:40Fuck yeah.

00:14:41Like, I was having fun.

00:14:44And I, like, did not give one single fuck what anybody thought.

00:14:50That was Jingle Ball 2009.

00:14:52Yeah.

00:14:52I also think your makeup and just the hair and everything, the outfits were so iconic.

00:14:59How did you come up with the glitter and the mascara?

00:15:03Oh, my gosh.

00:15:04Okay.

00:15:04To be honest with you, I grew up, like, seeing my mom be this single parent and loving, like,

00:15:13punk music and rock and roll, like Bowie and Iggy Pop and The Stones and Alice Cooper.

00:15:23So this is, like, inspired by Alice Cooper and Bowie.

00:15:28And I just always remember thinking, like, if a boy can do it, why can't I do it?

00:15:35And one of the first albums I listened to a lot was Licensed to Ill, Beastie Boys, those

00:15:42produced by Rick Rubin, who I later got to work with.

00:15:45And, like, I just remember really being attracted to people that were, like, okay being, like,

00:15:52a silly fucking crazy goose.

00:15:54And I was, like, I want to be a silly crazy goose.

00:15:57I don't want to be, like, like, I would go to school and everyone, like, straighten their

00:16:01hair.

00:16:01And I'd be, like, I don't want to.

00:16:03I want to do it purple.

00:16:04And, like, I don't know if that maybe psychologically is because there was, like, no man in the house.

00:16:10But, like, I was just, I wanted to, like, be a silly fucking crazy goose.

00:16:17Do your thing.

00:16:17Yeah.

00:16:18Did you keep any of that style still?

00:16:20Like, is anything in your closet that resembles that era?

00:16:23I mean, there's, like, I walked in here with heels and I was, like, nah.

00:16:27Throw on my fucking converse.

00:16:29I'm done with this shit.

00:16:30Okay, next one.

00:16:32Oh, my God.

00:16:34That was my first Grammys.

00:16:37And Justin Bieber.

00:16:38That was, like, the, we came out basically in the same 12-month cycle.

00:16:44And I, yeah, I remember, like, we would always be at the same Jingle Balls.

00:16:49I was in, like, a radio show in Europe somewhere.

00:16:53And we would always see each other.

00:16:54And he was just, like, the heartthrob of all heartthrobs.

00:17:02And, but I did remember being, like, so insecure walking in this dress in heels.

00:17:09I felt like I looked like a baby giraffe that was just born.

00:17:14Like, not in a cute way.

00:17:15No way.

00:17:16Like, in a way where I was going to topple over on the Grammy stage.

00:17:20You look amazing.

00:17:22I actually do look amazing.

00:17:24I just remember being so terrified.

00:17:26Like, a lot of, when you're, like, launched into pop stardom, it's, like, so fun.

00:17:32But at least for me, it was terrifying.

00:17:34I don't know if other girls have this experience.

00:17:37What were you scared about?

00:17:40I was just, like, it was just so intense.

00:17:44Like, it was so intense.

00:17:45I came from, like, very, very humble beginnings and very young in life.

00:17:50And then Nashville.

00:17:51And then, like, launched into this.

00:17:53And it was just, like, it was intense.

00:17:57It was, like, it goes, you're being seen in such an intense way that it's, it's just kind of intense.

00:18:06Yeah, it's, like, going from that to then 2010, you're standing, you're presenting an award at the Grammys.

00:18:14With the biggest star.

00:18:16In the world.

00:18:17And you're, like, hello.

00:18:18And I'm walking in heels, which, spoiler alert, I don't fuck with heels, okay?

00:18:23I do it if I'm on a red carpet.

00:18:24So my leg looks nice from the side.

00:18:27That's the only time I do it.

00:18:28But I'm usually barefoot and naked, okay?

00:18:31And so then you have to, like, walk out on stage in these giant heels.

00:18:35And those stages are hard to walk on.

00:18:36And everyone's, like, we're going to give your shoes a 7 out of 10.

00:18:39I'm, like, why?

00:18:40And I can't walk.

00:18:41And, like, it's just stressful.

00:18:44Oh, my God.

00:18:45No, you and baby Biebs there.

00:18:46It's really cute.

00:18:47Okay, next.

00:18:48I'm so proud of him, by the way.

00:18:50I saw his, I wasn't at Coachella, but I'm so proud of what he just did.

00:18:54Me, too.

00:18:54I just have to say that.

00:18:55It was incredible.

00:18:56Yeah, I haven't seen him in forever.

00:18:57But, like, very proud.

00:18:59Incredible.

00:19:00Amazing work.

00:19:00Amazing.

00:19:03Fun.

00:19:04Fun.

00:19:05High recommend.

00:19:07This is the show that I just put on last year.

00:19:10It was my first tour as a free woman.

00:19:13It's the biggest tour I've ever done, period.

00:19:17And I'm independent, period.

00:19:20Congratulations.

00:19:22And it was, like, that felt so fucking good.

00:19:27Not that you're, like, even turning around to be, like, looking at your past, being, like,

00:19:31fuck you all.

00:19:31Look what I'm able to do.

00:19:32But there must have been some feeling of just, like, oh, my God.

00:19:37I'm so happy that I've proven to myself and to the world, like, I'm still here.

00:19:43I still fucking got it.

00:19:44Well, it was, like, after almost 10 years in a litigation, and you just, it's, you know, I was, like,

00:19:57maybe that's what it was.

00:20:01Maybe, like, this part of my life, like, that was awesome.

00:20:05And, like, but maybe that's part of the past.

00:20:07And, like, I'm so grateful if I got to live that.

00:20:12Like, who gets to say that?

00:20:14And then to go on this tour, it's going to make me emotional, for real.

00:20:20No, stop.

00:20:22Absolutely not.

00:20:23You're good.

00:20:23Our makeup.

00:20:25No.

00:20:26It's okay.

00:20:26You can cry.

00:20:27But, like, the makeup, you know?

00:20:28To be able to, like, go on stage and see, like, tens of thousands of people that, quite frankly, like,

00:20:37have seen some major ups and major downs and still want to show up.

00:20:43And, you know, just as, like, a person to, like, feel still worthy and lovable.

00:20:53And it, like, really did something for me this tour.

00:20:59I feel like I probably got way more emotionally out of this tour than anybody else.

00:21:04Like, I can walk through the world.

00:21:08I walk through the world in a different way because of all the people that showed up for me.

00:21:13And I hope that I also, like, was in service of them.

00:21:17That was my intention, but I think accidentally everybody that showed up for this tour did, like, this incredible act

00:21:25of healing for me.

00:21:26Well, even, and I know we don't need to get into the details today, but, like, even when you say,

00:21:32like, nine years, nine years of your life, almost a decade of your life, you are locked into a legal

00:21:39battle where you are fighting for the right for your voice.

00:21:42Yeah.

00:21:43And then to get out of that and to look out into a crowd and see people there who are

00:21:48just waiting to see you again.

00:21:51Like, how do you feel when you look back at that time of your life to then know the tour

00:21:55eventually came and you did get free?

00:21:57Well, it was so interesting.

00:22:00I mean, just to give a little bit of context, I signed the record deal I was in when I

00:22:05was 18 years old.

00:22:06I got found when I was 17 and I signed the record deal at 18 years old.

00:22:10And this record deal signed away the rights to my voice and likeness in perpetuity in the universe.

00:22:17Okay.

00:22:20So things happened.

00:22:27And it didn't feel appropriate for me to remain in the situation I was in.

00:22:36So I did spend nine years in litigation fighting for the rights to myself back.

00:22:43And it's just like spiritually and conceptually such a weird, it's like such a weird concept that somebody else can

00:22:55own a something that's coming from inside of my body.

00:22:59Like that's so weird.

00:23:01And it just never, I never like could understand it really, like spiritually speaking.

00:23:09And then to really be fighting for the rights to my own voice and my own face and my own,

00:23:20my me to myself.

00:23:22Like, what are we talking about?

00:23:26And for it to go on and on and on.

00:23:28And it was like nine years is a long time.

00:23:31And there was a lot of support.

00:23:33And I'm like that support carried me through like one tweet could carry me through for months.

00:23:39Like one stranger in on Twitter that I should not be on Twitter, but I was and I saw them.

00:23:47And like that would carry me for a really long time.

00:23:50Like little things would take me through because nine years is a long time.

00:23:55Like it's a long time.

00:23:57It's a it's a fourth of my life.

00:24:00It's actually more than a fourth of my life.

00:24:02How did you keep yourself going through that time?

00:24:04Because I also am thinking about it like anyone listening to this.

00:24:08It's even when you put it that way, you're right.

00:24:10It's like it's from it's you.

00:24:12So, like, I'm sure there were so many moments where you had to think, like, what if this is so

00:24:16unjust?

00:24:17And like, what if I didn't win?

00:24:19Like, what if I didn't mean I lose myself?

00:24:21Like, how did you like grapple with those emotions as a human?

00:24:26It was honestly, it was very hard.

00:24:31Like, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it.

00:24:34Like, I kind of I feel like I had to just hide because it was so hard.

00:24:41And I feel like I'm so synonymous with joy.

00:24:43And I love that.

00:24:45I love bringing people joy.

00:24:49But like, when I could not show up as that for others, because like, you can only give away what

00:24:57you have for yourself.

00:24:58And I would try.

00:24:59Like, in this litigation, I would go out on tour and I would sing the hit songs.

00:25:04And I, I tried, but it was really difficult.

00:25:09It's a really, it was just a really difficult, complicated, really confusing for me, even like the emotions were so

00:25:19complicated.

00:25:20What do you think your dominant emotion was at that time?

00:25:22Um, I was so lonely.

00:25:26And I was, I was so lonely in how anxious I was, and how much fear I had, because we're

00:25:37told to speak up and stand up for ourselves and say something, you know, and I had and I felt

00:25:43like, why am I, I'm getting like punished, like, my medical records are on the internet, my therapy notes are

00:25:51on the internet.

00:25:51Every text message I've ever sent, it's on the internet.

00:25:54Every email I've ever sent, it's on the internet.

00:26:00Um, you know, I went to treatment for an eating disorder, those notes that I went in to try to

00:26:04help save my own life, like those are on the internet.

00:26:07And I did that because I have nothing to hide.

00:26:10And, and, and I now can sit here and talk to you and realize that that, that's actually very freeing

00:26:23in a way.

00:26:24Some like, kind of feels like sitting naked in my backyard, you know, where you're just like, it's, it's freedom

00:26:32now.

00:26:32But at the time, it was really like, it felt really just so bad.

00:26:41Hell.

00:26:41It's, it felt like fucking hell.

00:26:45I also think this is so relatable for women.

00:26:47And something you just said is like, you're at a place in your life where you are radiating joy and

00:26:52you're choosing to live in joy.

00:26:54But the way that women can be painted as so angry when we try to stand up for ourselves, I

00:27:01written down a quote, you said, I grew up thinking women can be all of the things.

00:27:05But the one thing I really cannot be is an angry woman.

00:27:09Like, what did you think would happen if you allowed yourself publicly to show your anger towards this unfair situation?

00:27:17There was like a period right before I got treatment for my eating disorder, where Timber was the number one

00:27:25song in the world.

00:27:26And I was in my bedazzled body suits with my dancers and my wig.

00:27:35And like, behind the scenes, I was not having fun.

00:27:41And I was starving myself.

00:27:45And I like had this moment where I looked in the mirror and I told you, I grew up on

00:27:49like punk music, like Iggy Pop.

00:27:51I have an Iggy Pop tattoo.

00:27:52Like, and I like looked in the mirror and I'm like, what are we doing?

00:27:58What are we doing?

00:28:01What are we doing?

00:28:03And I canceled the rest of this tour and I started a band called Yeast Infection and I only played

00:28:11dive bars.

00:28:13Kesha, I love you.

00:28:15I'm pretty sure everyone was like, and she's lost her goddamn mind.

00:28:21And I'm sitting there thinking like, Papa Iggy Pop would be so proud of me.

00:28:25I'm burning it down.

00:28:27Fuck the man.

00:28:28I just, you know, and then shortly thereafter, like, I got help and treatment and trying to sort through the

00:28:38emotions.

00:28:39And like, to be honest with you, like, anger is so interesting as a woman, isn't it?

00:28:45Like, nobody wants to see that.

00:28:47No.

00:28:47Because we're hysterical and we're crazy and it's like ugly.

00:28:52And I kind of like, I'm down to challenge that because I actually think it keeps us from being our

00:29:02most boundaried and most powerful selves to keep us from anger.

00:29:09Because I can only speak for myself, but my anger indicates and I feel it somatically in my body.

00:29:15I get anger and it means I need to make a boundary and someone is crossing a boundary.

00:29:21Every woman's like, you just described that better than I could have myself.

00:29:27Why are we not allowed to express that dominant emotion right there?

00:29:32That clearly there's something underneath that you're so right where we're saying we're screaming for help.

00:29:38Yes.

00:29:39We're like, because I'm pretty sure anger is not a dominant emotion.

00:29:42It is a reaction to one of the emotions.

00:29:44We're hurt.

00:29:44We're in pain.

00:29:45We're sad.

00:29:46We're whatever it is that someone usually made us feel.

00:29:49And so I'm fucking pissed off.

00:29:51Yeah.

00:29:52And people are like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:29:54It's just anger is just the top layer.

00:29:55That's ugly.

00:29:56And no one wants to ask what happened.

00:29:58No.

00:29:58No one wants to say, well, wait, what happened?

00:29:59Why are you so angry?

00:30:00They're like, girl, that is a bad look on you.

00:30:02And it's like, do you want to ask why I'm pissed the fuck off?

00:30:06Never.

00:30:06No.

00:30:07Just be quiet.

00:30:07Sit down.

00:30:08Shut the fuck up.

00:30:09Well, I think that like I'm down.

00:30:12Well, so if I'm going to back it up, this is like why I love songwriting is because that

00:30:17is a safe place to go absolutely buck wild.

00:30:23Like, because I always think like, where is a safe place to be really fucking angry?

00:30:29Let me tell you where, when you're screaming a song into a microphone and all your friends

00:30:35are like, oh my God, girl, that sounds great.

00:30:36And they're like cheering for you.

00:30:38Oh my God.

00:30:38This is why I write music, right?

00:30:41Right.

00:30:42It's a little less like intense when it's music is like, oh, this is a bop girl.

00:30:46You're like, little did you know, I'm actually fucking serious when I'm dead screaming, screaming.

00:30:51But like, that's the power of music, girl.

00:30:55Okay.

00:30:56Next, next, next one.

00:30:57Cause maybe I don't know what the fuck this relates to, but.

00:31:01And this is where we're at.

00:31:03And here we are.

00:31:05I'm cult leader one-on-one.

00:31:06Will you post this back in January?

00:31:08Kesha, what's happening here?

00:31:10Well, okay.

00:31:12Let's.

00:31:13What is happening?

00:31:16So I'm a Pisces and like statistically Pisces are great cult leaders.

00:31:21Okay.

00:31:22And we were going to Brazil and I haven't been to Brazil in forever.

00:31:27And I was thinking about how culture, the word culture, it's like culture.

00:31:33And then I was with my dancers and they were like, you're kind of our cult leader.

00:31:37And I'm like, well, what, like, what's the cult?

00:31:40And I, my goal is to kind of create like queer church.

00:31:45When I was designing my show, I wanted it to feel like a pop church for all people, but

00:31:55specifically having gone to church after church after church in my life, wanting to go to

00:32:00community school and being like part of the queer community and caring very deeply about

00:32:07the queer community.

00:32:09I wanted like one of my main goals.

00:32:13The last act of my show on this tour is called queer church because throughout my whole career,

00:32:21um, I would not, I wouldn't be shit if it weren't for the queer community and as like a pop

00:32:30star,

00:32:31like I owe everything to the queer community and I want to always make a safe space for all

00:32:38people.

00:32:39What do you think is the biggest misconception about you?

00:32:43Oh shit.

00:32:44Oh shit.

00:32:45I don't even like truly, it depends on what article you read, what era.

00:32:52Like, I don't even know.

00:32:54Like, that's the craziest part about having everything in your life on the internet.

00:32:58Like truly, it's almost like depends on who you ask.

00:33:01Depends on, I have no idea.

00:33:04I literally don't know.

00:33:05And part of me is like, do I care?

00:33:09Cause I'm so fucking solid.

00:33:13It's so good.

00:33:15I don't give up.

00:33:16No, it's so good.

00:33:18I like spent so much time.

00:33:19Girl, after this litigation, I was like, not, I was truly so full of fear.

00:33:29Like it was in my bone marrow.

00:33:31And I spent so much time and energy focusing on trying to regulate myself and regulate my nervous system and

00:33:41heal.

00:33:42And like, I am so fucking good with myself now.

00:33:45And that is like a miracle.

00:33:49So I don't know.

00:33:50I don't know.

00:33:50People might think, oh, I don't even know.

00:33:53You're like, I don't care.

00:33:54I don't.

00:33:54I mean, like, I'm kind of curious, but then it's kind of like going on Twitter.

00:33:57Like, do I want to know?

00:33:59You're like, what are these bitches fucking saying?

00:34:01What are they saying?

00:34:02You can put the cards down.

00:34:03That was perfect.

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00:35:08I think that I want to talk about something that I thought was very interesting.

00:35:13And I know that, you know, you said to Monica Lewinsky and you said during that time you weren't able

00:35:21to have an orgasm because of the stress that you were under.

00:35:24Yeah.

00:35:24What has it been like reclaiming your sexuality?

00:35:29Oh, my God.

00:35:30It's a miracle.

00:35:31It's a miracle.

00:35:33Do you know?

00:35:36Should I say this?

00:35:37I probably should.

00:35:39I don't care.

00:35:40I'm free.

00:35:41Um, I now mostly celibate, you know, except for when you're in Italy.

00:35:49Like I now.

00:35:51What did you just say about Italy?

00:35:53I'm, I'm celibate except for when I'm in Italy.

00:35:57Okay.

00:35:58Oh, I like that.

00:35:59It's like by country.

00:36:00Listen, whatever.

00:36:02Anyways, you like the Italians.

00:36:06But so now I actually like masturbate to, uh, gratitude meditations.

00:36:16You're, you're lying to me.

00:36:18I certainly am not.

00:36:20Kesha.

00:36:23They're like, breathe in and be grateful.

00:36:26Oh, it's.

00:36:28Don't knock it till you try it.

00:36:30Honestly, everyone.

00:36:32Let me just say those downloads on the gratitude ones are going to go way up.

00:36:37Remember when I said I started every day with a gratitude meditation?

00:36:41Right.

00:36:43It's been amazing.

00:36:45Literally when I got my freedom, I was like, I think, you know, I'm pissed about a lot of stuff.

00:36:51But one of the things is that like pleasure, I keep coming back to pleasure.

00:36:56Like it is okay as a woman to feel pleasure in this world.

00:37:01When things, when you go through things, pleasure is not like the number one neural pathway that your brain always

00:37:09goes to when you have survived things.

00:37:11And I had to reprogram that and I do it every fucking day and I'm not even embarrassed about it.

00:37:16You shouldn't be.

00:37:18You absolutely shouldn't be.

00:37:18And I think especially as women, I relate to like, I think when we are stressed or we're going through

00:37:23something traumatic, the actual last thing that we can think about is sex and pleasure because our bodies are so

00:37:33frozen.

00:37:34We can't we literally can't feel our bodies like to lose that part of yourself and to shut down and

00:37:40then to be able to now be like, I connect this shit with gratitude, mother fucker.

00:37:45Totally.

00:37:45And this is why I am celibate is because I'm calling in a fucking king.

00:37:52Like it's time for my king.

00:37:54You're manifesting.

00:37:56My pussy is manifesting with gratitude that my king is coming.

00:38:01Okay.

00:38:01Because you have to, your body has to align with your reality before it shows up in your life.

00:38:08So like, are there kings in Italy?

00:38:10Like what's going on over there?

00:38:11There are some fucking kings in Italy.

00:38:12Yeah, girl.

00:38:15It's really that different.

00:38:17Kind of love it.

00:38:19I know you also kind of mentioned like going through this experience of not feeling right in your body, you

00:38:27know, being on the world stage, having people comment, just the exploitation to the nth degree of people feeling like

00:38:34they are entitled to a woman's body is so disturbing.

00:38:38And I also think the impossible standards that were held to right, like be hot, but don't be slutty, like,

00:38:44you know, be hot, but don't be fake.

00:38:46Like there's so much that we have to be like, oh, where's the middle line?

00:38:49Like, how have you managed to get kind of rid of those expectations?

00:38:53Because like, you are so confident now, and we need your wisdom of like, how have you just learned to

00:38:58just be comfortable with who you are?

00:39:02Huh.

00:39:03I mean, it's been like such a journey, right?

00:39:05Um, from the beginning of my career, and I, you know, we've talked about this a bit, and it's been

00:39:14very public, like, people have commented on my body, I internalize those comments, I make that the word of God,

00:39:22I try to adjust my body to somebody else's, like what they want me to be.

00:39:28Um, I went through a horrible filler phase, God, that sucked.

00:39:34But because I was like, oh, that's what I should do.

00:39:38And then I'm like, I actually don't like the way that looks.

00:39:41But like, it's just like this constant dance with society on what it does mean to be a woman and

00:39:51what is acceptable.

00:39:53And like, also, we're not supposed to age.

00:39:56Like, trust me, I don't want to, but like, I don't know what else to do.

00:40:04Like, I, so I just have, I try to have like, because my body image can get very perfectionism-y.

00:40:13That's like what came up when I was, you know, in the eating disorder, which has been a while ago

00:40:20now.

00:40:21So I like, it's interesting to talk about it, because I just really wanted to be loved.

00:40:31And, um, in my healing process, since I got my freedom, I realized like, wanting to be famous, and wanting

00:40:42to be loved.

00:40:43All of that actually had to come from myself, and it couldn't be fake self-love.

00:40:51It could not be performative words from a stage.

00:40:54I had to sit with myself and really, like, treat myself with kindness and grace and gratitude.

00:41:04And I sat with my leg, I tore my ACL on stage, and I fucking finished that show, and I

00:41:09played another one.

00:41:11Like, I'm so grateful.

00:41:12But I remember, Kesha, wasn't it that after you did that, though, the headlines where you were drunk on stage?

00:41:18Like, things like that make your blood boil, because I don't drink before I go on stage.

00:41:23Girl, I barely drink.

00:41:24Like, that's the one LOL that's probably a huge misconception.

00:41:28But, like, I don't want to have to defend myself.

00:41:32Talk to me a little bit about that persona that you built, because I know everyone builds a form when

00:41:38you have to have this, like, public image, right?

00:41:40I feel like there was this very, like, wild child's party girl that you were bringing forth to the world,

00:41:46and people loved it.

00:41:47But, like, how intentional was that?

00:41:50I think that that is absolutely a part of where I was at.

00:41:54You know, I was in my early 20s, and I think people love a headline, we love the drama, the

00:42:04salacious, we love it.

00:42:06So, it was a version of a thing I did sometimes, just like everybody at that age, and it was

00:42:13fun, and it's funny to talk about.

00:42:15It's also probably more interesting to write a song about a night, a wild night, than, like, getting a car

00:42:24wash.

00:42:25Like, I don't know.

00:42:27Now I'm going to challenge myself.

00:42:29Yeah.

00:42:29Go write it.

00:42:30Go write it after this.

00:42:30Let's see.

00:42:31At the time, it was also, I write many, many, many songs for a record.

00:42:38Like, I'm talking, like, a hundred plus.

00:42:41So, let's just say, I wanted to showcase other sides of my personality with single choices, but, like, the party

00:42:58thing was working.

00:42:59Right.

00:43:00And so, it became almost, like, a caricature of itself, which is not to say it was never, like, disingenuine.

00:43:05I was having a great time and having fun and romping around the world.

00:43:09But I think the balance of that is also who I am, which didn't maybe get as much of a

00:43:16spotlight at the time, because one thing was really working.

00:43:19And how much do you think that that public persona influenced the way people treated you?

00:43:28Well, I think that there has been a level of, can write off a talent because there's auto-tune, or

00:43:40it's a silly song, or it's a pop song, or, like, there's so many ways to

00:43:49try to discount, kind of, like, what I've done.

00:43:54But the cool thing is, is that I'm always like, all right, y'all go write one.

00:44:02Go ahead.

00:44:03Write one.

00:44:04See how easy it is.

00:44:06Like, part of, I actually, truly think this, we're talking about this earlier, but joy is such an act of

00:44:14resistance.

00:44:15A lot of times in my career, my joy has been written off as something that is not maybe that

00:44:23impressive, because it's kind of silly, it's kind of fucking goofy, it's kind of just crazy.

00:44:29But I think to vibrate in the frequency of, like, silly goose shit is actually magical.

00:44:40It is, because you don't give a fuck, and that, though, can piss people off.

00:44:45Totally.

00:44:45Babe, I could have gone to Barnard, okay?

00:44:48I'm really fucking smart, and I also can be really fun and silly, and both things can exist.

00:44:54But you then refute, you're taking away my intellect, because I'm having fun, and I have an image, and I'm

00:45:00leaning in, and I'm doing all these fun things, because that's what everyone wants.

00:45:03We have to be able to put them in a box, because we need to be able to fit them

00:45:07into a structure where we can make sense of it.

00:45:10And guess what, bitches?

00:45:12No.

00:45:13How about no?

00:45:14That's just not how life works with humans.

00:45:15I'm not going to do it.

00:45:16I'm not going to do it.

00:45:17I'm not going to.

00:45:18I'm just not going to.

00:45:20Like, and trust me, they're mad at me.

00:45:23Livid.

00:45:24They're mad.

00:45:26But I'm not.

00:45:27You're happy.

00:45:29Like, no.

00:45:30I'm, like, killing it.

00:45:31I just sold out MSG.

00:45:33I'm chilling.

00:45:34So, like, they tried so hard to make me so sad.

00:45:39No.

00:45:41Can we also talk about this joy?

00:45:43Because you're right.

00:45:43We were talking about it for the interview, and the way you talk about it, it's so refreshing.

00:45:51Because, like, I just don't feel like, as women, and especially, like, if you're trying to forge a path for

00:45:58yourself and be successful, when you're smiling and you're enjoying your success, no one wants to see that.

00:46:05No.

00:46:06And it's, like, really disorienting to people.

00:46:09And I just, like, don't know why.

00:46:11I'm, like.

00:46:11I don't either.

00:46:12I think that.

00:46:16What do I think?

00:46:17I don't know.

00:46:18I think that when you are, I think we're all mirrors for each other.

00:46:26And to some, you could be a massive inspiration.

00:46:32And to some, you can be a reflection of what they are not achieving in their life.

00:46:38If, I know, I mean, I just know that I feel like I have been projected upon a lot and

00:46:49kind of going back to the body stuff, it's like I tried to shapeshift to make everybody happy.

00:46:55And then at some point, when you do that for literally almost 20 years, you start to be, like, I'm

00:46:59going to Italy.

00:47:00I'm eating the pasta.

00:47:03See you guys later.

00:47:05Eat shit and die.

00:47:06You know?

00:47:07Eat shit and die.

00:47:10Everyone.

00:47:11Eat shit and die.

00:47:13Well, it's just, like, what?

00:47:15I can't.

00:47:17Can we talk about these kings in Italy?

00:47:18Yeah.

00:47:19Let's talk about your dating life.

00:47:20Oh, God.

00:47:20Okay.

00:47:21LOL.

00:47:21Let's go.

00:47:22Okay, so you're celibate, except for when you're in Italy.

00:47:25I mean, like, mostly.

00:47:28Celibate was, like, the goal.

00:47:30Yeah.

00:47:31Progress, not perfection.

00:47:33Got it.

00:47:34Are you single?

00:47:37Yes.

00:47:38Okay.

00:47:39Very single.

00:47:40Okay.

00:47:41I'm going to kind of, well, first of all, you have a song called Red Flag.

00:47:45Yeah.

00:47:45Where you just, like, straight up admit to loving a red flag and a partner.

00:47:49This is why I've been mostly celibate.

00:47:51Okay.

00:47:51And I'm going to remain very single on purpose.

00:47:56Yep.

00:47:56Because we have worked on this trait of mine.

00:48:00What were some toxic traits we're not into anymore?

00:48:04But maybe in the past we were a little like, huh?

00:48:07That I think are hot?

00:48:08Yeah.

00:48:08Just, like, truly, the funnier the story, the hotter.

00:48:15Like, oh, God.

00:48:18Oh, God.

00:48:19I, like, just, I've just dated people.

00:48:22I have no business dating.

00:48:24Just no, I can't even call.

00:48:26There's, like, some stories I really want to tell, but I don't want to call anybody out.

00:48:29But, like, one eye, which I think is hot.

00:48:35Yeah.

00:48:36He was cool.

00:48:37Okay.

00:48:37But, like, the line got drawn because he just smelled kind of like a Subway sandwich that had been sitting

00:48:45in the back of your car for a couple of days.

00:48:46And, like, honestly, you better work.

00:48:49But it was just not a match.

00:48:51It was, like, a vibe.

00:48:53Because I'm actually secretly a hippie.

00:48:57But, like, there's a line.

00:49:01Yeah.

00:49:02For me.

00:49:02You know?

00:49:06Oh, God.

00:49:07Okay, wait.

00:49:07Then I'm going to give you some dating disasters.

00:49:10Oh.

00:49:11You tell me if any of this relates to you.

00:49:13Okay, go ahead.

00:49:13Give me the story.

00:49:14What is the pettiest reason you've ever gotten dumped?

00:49:18I've only gotten dumped, actually, one time.

00:49:21And it's because the guy I was dating, I kind of, like, thought he was probably a star fucker.

00:49:27And I was, like, I'm just going to, like, test this theory.

00:49:29And so I went to the eras, like, after the tour, there was a little party.

00:49:34And I was just, like, I'm going to pop in, take my girlfriend.

00:49:37I'm not going to take the boyfriend.

00:49:39Just see how this goes.

00:49:41We were together for a year and a half.

00:49:43That dude came over the next day, dropped the keys off.

00:49:50And that was that.

00:49:52And I was, like, have you no shame?

00:49:53Like, couldn't you wait, like, 11 days or something?

00:49:56Him being, like, so angry with you, you're, like, tantrum.

00:50:01I mean, over, if you're going to do it over anybody, Taylor Swift is the one to do it.

00:50:04Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair, fair.

00:50:06Honestly, I would have a fucking joke, don't you?

00:50:08Yeah, yeah, fair, fair, fair.

00:50:09But get it together.

00:50:10Okay, what's a time you completely misread the vibes?

00:50:14And you're, like, wait, no, that's, this is not how I felt.

00:50:18Oh, with a guy?

00:50:20Misread the vibes.

00:50:23Well, let's just say most, okay, let's just say I had these two athletes, two of them at the same

00:50:34time.

00:50:35And they were, like, let's hang out.

00:50:37And I was, like, I can't.

00:50:40Because I realized, I forget there's a word for this, but if I don't like someone's brain, I can't deal

00:50:49with their penis.

00:50:51Penis.

00:50:52That's it.

00:50:53I'm a sapiosexual.

00:50:54But I just, like, I really, like, I was excited because I got my orgasm back, you know?

00:50:59And I was, like, I'm going to, like, I'm going to, like, kind of have a ho phase.

00:51:04Like, what's that like?

00:51:06And I can't.

00:51:08No, no, no.

00:51:08So that's, yeah.

00:51:09The athletes, it sounds like a good idea.

00:51:14And then you get there and you're, like, hmm.

00:51:17It was, like, a really cute flirtation, but I just, like, I misread my own vibe in thinking that I

00:51:23could have a ho phase.

00:51:24I think I, like, just want a king.

00:51:27I just want, like, one.

00:51:29I just want to masturbate and meditate.

00:51:32Masturbate and meditate.

00:51:36Dude.

00:51:38Okay.

00:51:38What is the time you found out you were potentially the other woman?

00:51:42Oh.

00:51:43Oh.

00:51:45Well.

00:51:45Well, okay.

00:51:48I met this guy.

00:51:49Okay.

00:51:50And I was really into his brain.

00:51:53And then we had a little kiki.

00:51:56Had a little make out.

00:51:57It's cute.

00:51:58Love.

00:51:59But then I found out he was polyamorous.

00:52:01Okay.

00:52:02So it's not really the other woman, but it's, like, an open situation.

00:52:06And so anytime I'm met with, like, I felt very judgmental, you know?

00:52:13Yes.

00:52:13And I was, like, oh, I'm judging the situation.

00:52:16I'm judging my part of being in the situation.

00:52:20And then I had a conversation.

00:52:22And, like, it's a full-blown life choice.

00:52:24They've been doing it for a very long time.

00:52:27His partner has a full-blown other partner.

00:52:31And so I was, like, I'm going to give this a try for a moment.

00:52:36And it turns out it just, like, was not for me.

00:52:39You just want a king to yourself.

00:52:41I think the most, like, devotion.

00:52:47Oh, my God.

00:52:48Do you know that someone, like, built a pyramid for somebody?

00:52:53Didn't they?

00:52:54I think so.

00:52:55Okay.

00:52:55So we're going to go with it.

00:52:57We're going to fucking go with it.

00:52:58Fact check.

00:53:00In my mind.

00:53:01Yeah.

00:53:01In your mind.

00:53:02That's what you want.

00:53:03But, like.

00:53:04What would you want someone to build you?

00:53:06Like, I want a fucking, I want a fucking cathedral full of cats and starbursts.

00:53:14I don't know.

00:53:15I just, like, want, and, like, a river running through it.

00:53:18Ooh.

00:53:19And, like, a weeping willow next to the dolphins.

00:53:24Obviously.

00:53:25Obviously.

00:53:26Obviously.

00:53:27That's what every woman wants.

00:53:29You're like, clip this.

00:53:30Send this.

00:53:30Send this to him in Italy.

00:53:32Get started.

00:53:32I said, yes, with a manicurist inside of my pyramid.

00:53:39I love.

00:53:39Where are the men like this?

00:53:41So a pyramid.

00:53:43I like this.

00:53:44I like this for you.

00:53:45What do you want, Bill?

00:53:46You know, I've never thought about it, but I don't think anything I could say would top

00:53:51what you just said.

00:53:52So I'll take what she's having, honestly.

00:53:54You can come visit.

00:53:54I'll take the cats and the starbursts and the weeping willow.

00:53:58What is the worst meet the parents interaction you've ever had?

00:54:02Oh, wow.

00:54:04I had one in Indiana.

00:54:06I'm not going to say his name.

00:54:07Okay.

00:54:07He knows who he is.

00:54:09He took me to Indiana, and I had only gone on, like, two dates, and it just ended up being,

00:54:14like, I love Indiana, but, like, this particular meeting the parents after just a couple dates

00:54:20was, like, wildly awkward.

00:54:23And then everyone thinks, because I'm coming home, then we're getting married.

00:54:26And you had two dates.

00:54:28Yeah.

00:54:28But that was my bad.

00:54:29See, crazy, horny.

00:54:31I get horny for crazy.

00:54:32Like, if someone's like, I know, let's do this, like, really?

00:54:36It's a bad idea.

00:54:37And I'm like, that sounds funny.

00:54:39I do it for fun.

00:54:40I do it for, like, the book.

00:54:42Let's go to Indiana and meet your parents.

00:54:44And I'm like, oh, my God.

00:54:45I'm this bitch.

00:54:48This is the beginning of the most epic love story ever told.

00:54:52And then it's going to end with him building me a pyramid.

00:54:56And it never fucking does.

00:54:58This is why I'm mostly celibate.

00:55:01Okay.

00:55:02Yeah.

00:55:02Now, I think definitely don't go meet the parents after two dates.

00:55:05Right?

00:55:05That was my bad.

00:55:06It was a good story.

00:55:07What is the biggest lie you ever caught someone in?

00:55:13Okay.

00:55:14Okay.

00:55:15There was a guy.

00:55:17I did for, like, a long time.

00:55:19Okay.

00:55:19And I don't know.

00:55:21If you ask my dancers, he may not have a home.

00:55:26Was he living with you?

00:55:29I don't want to answer this question.

00:55:33You're like, Alex, shut up.

00:55:35That's not.

00:55:35It's part of your business.

00:55:36That's not important.

00:55:37Okay.

00:55:38He may or may not have been living with me.

00:55:41And we never went to his place.

00:55:42But he always has an excuse.

00:55:43I was really busy.

00:55:46I was designing my tour.

00:55:48And then I was, like, literally hand designing everything.

00:55:52And it was like, I'll go see your place when I have time.

00:55:55And then one thing led to another.

00:55:56And then you never saw the place.

00:55:58Because I don't know if it exists.

00:56:05I know.

00:56:08You know.

00:56:10Yeah.

00:56:11Yep.

00:56:12No, I know.

00:56:13The red flag thing.

00:56:14It's okay.

00:56:15I know.

00:56:15This is why I am.

00:56:17You're so self-aware right now.

00:56:19You're like, I know.

00:56:20Like, at least you recognize it.

00:56:22You know?

00:56:23Like, you'll always be on guard now.

00:56:25If they never, like, by the third time, like, want to come to mind?

00:56:28It has to be that.

00:56:29I have to, like.

00:56:32I need.

00:56:33I'm just gonna.

00:56:35What do we do?

00:56:37Literally.

00:56:38As women.

00:56:39Like, what do we do?

00:56:40You just try to, you prevail.

00:56:43Okay?

00:56:44Like, I think you just, like, serve, cunt, and prevail.

00:56:47And, like, just close the pussy up and call in kings.

00:56:51That's what I'm trying.

00:56:51That's like, like.

00:56:52We're working on it.

00:56:53But sometimes they don't have homes.

00:56:55And then you should, like, definitely not let them move in with you.

00:56:59Unless you do a background check first.

00:57:01Yeah, the background checks, Kesha.

00:57:03I know.

00:57:04Let's get on that.

00:57:05I know.

00:57:05What is the most rogue first date you've ever been on?

00:57:09Hmm.

00:57:11Your face.

00:57:13Hmm.

00:57:14Well, for my birthday, someone sent me a yacht.

00:57:18Not, like, as a present.

00:57:19But, like, for me and, like, my whole crew.

00:57:25But they weren't even there.

00:57:27Oh.

00:57:27So, that was kind of a first date.

00:57:29And it was my favorite one.

00:57:31Because he wasn't there.

00:57:34You're like, send me shit and don't come around.

00:57:37You're like, that's actually the kind of relationship I want.

00:57:40Give me all the good things.

00:57:41But I don't want to ever see you.

00:57:43Okay?

00:57:44Don't annoy me.

00:57:44You're so fucking annoying.

00:57:46But send the yacht, babe.

00:57:48And build the pyramid.

00:57:49And I'll be in the pyramid alone.

00:57:53Okay.

00:57:54What is the weirdest place you've ever hooked up with someone?

00:57:58Hmm.

00:57:59Weirdest.

00:58:01Let me take a little walk down memory lane for a minute.

00:58:04Weirdest place I've ever hooked up with somebody.

00:58:14Like, I don't know.

00:58:15It's, like, planes, trains, and automobiles vibes.

00:58:18Like, on a bus.

00:58:19In a bus bathroom.

00:58:20In a bunk on a bus.

00:58:23You're on tour.

00:58:24Like, I'm always on tour.

00:58:26Which is, like, kind of the thing.

00:58:28So, like, at a sexy bathroom at the restaurant.

00:58:33Love that.

00:58:33I love, like, nature sex.

00:58:36Oh.

00:58:37Ugh.

00:58:39It's the best.

00:58:40Um, in, like, the woods?

00:58:42Yeah.

00:58:44It's the best.

00:58:45Really?

00:58:46With, like, the sticks.

00:58:48Oh, and the leaves, honey.

00:58:51And the bark, sweetie.

00:58:52Yeah.

00:58:53And the worms.

00:58:54And you get in that river, baby.

00:58:58And that mud, honey.

00:59:00You're like, what just went in my vagina?

00:59:02Oh, that wasn't his tip.

00:59:04No, I'm like, okay, actually, maybe my favorite sex has been, like, body paint.

00:59:09Like, paint in the woods.

00:59:11Oh.

00:59:11In the grass, but there's paint, and there's a canvas, and there's sexiness happening.

00:59:16I can picture it.

00:59:17I like it for you.

00:59:19Are you the type of person that stays friends with their ex?

00:59:22I do.

00:59:25If, like, if you're, like, a real shit, I'm going to write a song about you.

00:59:30And, like, it is what it is.

00:59:30If you're not, if it's just, like, not a match, totally.

00:59:36Yep.

00:59:36I, like, to me, kind of realized now that I'm, like, free, and I'm independent, and I'm sovereign,

00:59:42and it's this whole energy of, like, if you don't, like, fuck with me, then love that.

00:59:49But just, it's, like, the guys that, like, have, like, were using me to get in the paparazzi pictures

00:59:54or lied to me about having a home.

00:59:56Like, that is, like.

00:59:58Deal breaker.

00:59:58It's a deal breaker.

00:59:59We got to cut it off.

01:00:00It's a lot of standards.

01:00:01Have you ever been cheated on?

01:00:03I think they know that I'm a little crazy.

01:00:09You're, like, they ended it before because they knew.

01:00:12They knew you don't want to do that.

01:00:15Like, I collect human teeth.

01:00:16Let's talk about that.

01:00:17What's going on?

01:00:19So, I've been collecting them for a while now.

01:00:22Okay.

01:00:22And I make art out of them.

01:00:24I have my cats had to get their little teeth taken out because they were, I don't know,

01:00:28their little kitty wisdom teeth.

01:00:29I collect those, too.

01:00:30I'm, like, the tooth fairy.

01:00:32And didn't fans, like, used to send you their teeth?

01:00:35Yeah.

01:00:35No, they still do.

01:00:36And did you ask for that?

01:00:38Yes.

01:00:39How did that come?

01:00:41I tweeted it.

01:00:42You said what?

01:00:43Can you send me your teeth?

01:00:45Just, like, send me your teeth.

01:00:47Good morning.

01:00:48Hit me up.

01:00:49Love you.

01:00:51And what did you want to do with the teeth?

01:00:53Well, so I make art.

01:00:54I make jewelry.

01:00:55I've made a crown, like, a headdress.

01:00:58I made a belt.

01:00:59Wait, the thing you're carrying isn't a tooth, right?

01:01:01Oh, no.

01:01:01That's my placenta.

01:01:03Wait.

01:01:05What?

01:01:06Where's that?

01:01:06Where did it go?

01:01:07Uh-oh.

01:01:08Oh, I lost my placenta on your cap?

01:01:11Oh, my God.

01:01:12Where is your placenta?

01:01:13You were holding it?

01:01:15Maybe it went down into the crevices.

01:01:16We'll get it after.

01:01:17What's in here somewhere?

01:01:19You were holding your placenta earlier?

01:01:20Yeah, I brought it in.

01:01:21So your placenta supposedly gives you second sight.

01:01:25Mm-hmm.

01:01:25Helps open your third eye.

01:01:27Mm-hmm.

01:01:28This is according to my mother.

01:01:29So she stuck it in the oven.

01:01:31She put it in a box.

01:01:33And she found it when I was, like, 21 years old in the basement.

01:01:37Wait.

01:01:37She had to, like, fight for my placenta.

01:01:39My mom, they tried to take my placenta away from her at the hospital.

01:01:42And she, like, fucking threw a conniption fit.

01:01:46And she fought for it.

01:01:47She fought for that.

01:01:48So now I carry it around.

01:01:49She put it in the oven.

01:01:51Wrapped it up in a box.

01:01:54Stuck it in the basement.

01:01:55We found it.

01:01:57Throw it in the blender.

01:01:59Pop it in a necklace.

01:02:02Work.

01:02:05Art.

01:02:07Bounce it.

01:02:08Oh, give us a little show to the camera.

01:02:10Okay.

01:02:11That's your placenta.

01:02:12And that's in there?

01:02:13Uh-huh.

01:02:14And do you travel with that everywhere?

01:02:15Yeah.

01:02:16What does it bring you?

01:02:17Um, I just feel like it's, like, I love a good ritual, right?

01:02:23Like, I'm a cult leader.

01:02:24We all saw in the photo.

01:02:26And I just, like, I love a ritual that reminds me of this, like, esoteric world I prefer to live

01:02:36in.

01:02:36Like, down here on Earth, boring.

01:02:39But, like, when I go up into, like, with my spirit guides and the whole realm of angels, like, that's

01:02:48where I prefer to be.

01:02:49It's kind of fun.

01:02:51It's, like, the teeth.

01:02:52It just reminds me, when I have, like, a little piece of the people I love, what they're going to

01:02:57throw.

01:02:57Where do they put teeth anyways?

01:02:58What do you throw them?

01:02:59In the toilet?

01:03:01Yeah, where do you?

01:03:02Like, when you take your kids' teeth, tooth fairies out there.

01:03:05Yep.

01:03:05Where do you put them?

01:03:07You send them to Kesha.

01:03:08You send them to me.

01:03:09Because, like, where else are you going to put them in the trash?

01:03:11Have you ever gotten anyone that you're, like, ooh, I've got to throw this one out.

01:03:13It's a little janky.

01:03:14Oh, I've gotten crazy ones.

01:03:16And I live for it.

01:03:18I'm currently trying to, like, design a coffee table.

01:03:22And the center, I want to just be a bowl of all the teeth.

01:03:26So, for real, if people want to send it to me, this is actually, like, art I make out of

01:03:29it.

01:03:31I live for it.

01:03:32You're literally the tooth fairy.

01:03:34I know.

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01:05:06I know you once broke off an engagement.

01:05:09I did.

01:05:09What led you to that decision?

01:05:11Because that must have been tough.

01:05:14It was really hard.

01:05:15It was during, I was in litigation.

01:05:18It was COVID.

01:05:20The legal bills are like coming in hot and like aggressively at a time where I could not tour.

01:05:27And I'm engaged to someone who is a beautiful person.

01:05:32But quite frankly, I just didn't see us growing together.

01:05:39And I think, to be honest with you, there have been many people that I've dated that have felt one

01:05:48way or another about what I do for a living.

01:05:52And it's like, my fans are the love of my life.

01:05:55Like, they really are.

01:05:56Like, it's my longest relationship I've ever had.

01:06:02And we've grown up together.

01:06:04And they've shown up for me.

01:06:06They stood outside the fucking courthouse.

01:06:08Like, my fans and my music, it's like, it's my life's work.

01:06:17And I've had, not him so much, but like, a little bit.

01:06:22And other relationships that almost like will neg because maybe they are, I don't know what they feel about it.

01:06:32But they feel a type of way about what I do.

01:06:34And I just realized, especially in my freedom and independent era and like sovereignty, that like, I only want a

01:06:41partner.

01:06:41Again, going back to like, really wanting like a partnership that can visionary our life together.

01:06:47And I want them to be like, baby, be fucking bigger.

01:06:52Be even more.

01:06:54I want you to eat your healthy omega-3 fatty acids to feed your fucking gorgeous brain.

01:07:01Like, that's the partner I want.

01:07:03Like, take your magnesium, you sexy bitch.

01:07:07He just wants you to keep fucking climbing and taking over instead of being like a little wiener in the

01:07:12corner.

01:07:12Being like, you're outshining me or you're getting too big.

01:07:15And you're like, you just can't have someone holding you back.

01:07:19But I think a lot of women feel like, maybe I am too much.

01:07:22And I also think what's so admirable about that decision, regardless of the person, I think a lot of people

01:07:28can relate.

01:07:29Like, when you get engaged, I think there's such a, it feels like it's such a beautiful time in your

01:07:34life.

01:07:34But there are a lot of people who recognize like, oh my God, almost making it more finalized made me

01:07:40realize maybe this isn't what I want.

01:07:42And there's so much fear, I think, of ending it.

01:07:45Whether like, you already posted on Instagram that you're engaged.

01:07:48So like, this is going to be so embarrassing if we call it off.

01:07:52Or people publicly know about it.

01:07:54Or the families or whatever.

01:07:55Or like, how did you deal with the emotional weight of knowing you wanted to end something, but also knowing

01:08:03optically, like, there's so much also that comes with that type of fallout.

01:08:07Well, I think that, like, since we're, speak for myself, since I was a little girl, I have seen many

01:08:17movies, read many books, there are many stories about how one of my life's greatest missions is to find my

01:08:28soulmate, my missing piece, the person that will complete me, and really like give my whole life meaning.

01:08:36And I realized, you know, going from being not free and not sovereign, to sovereign and free, that I would

01:08:44really like to challenge that and feel whole and complete on my own.

01:08:55And ending something with someone is always difficult, especially if you love them, especially if you've integrated your life with

01:09:03their family.

01:09:04But I think, kind of going back to the samurai piece, like, your gut is going to tell you if

01:09:11you are with the right partner.

01:09:13And my gut became unavoidable.

01:09:18And I had to weigh the option of honoring myself or doing something that is, it's horrible to break up

01:09:28with someone you love.

01:09:29It's so difficult.

01:09:30And I have so much love for him and his family.

01:09:32They're beautiful, beautiful people.

01:09:34It just, I just didn't feel like we were growing in the same direction.

01:09:41And, like, I'm wildly ambitious.

01:09:46And he was more comfortable.

01:09:49He was more satisfied, which I'm not saying that one is better than the other.

01:09:52I actually sometimes wish I could just be more satisfied and chill.

01:09:55It just didn't match.

01:09:56It just didn't, it wasn't a match, like, at the end.

01:09:59And it was really difficult.

01:10:01But we're still friends.

01:10:02And I had so much love for him.

01:10:03He's a really good person.

01:10:04I love that.

01:10:05And I think also just women listening, that's such a good testament, too, to, like, when you deny what you're

01:10:11feeling in your gut, it's never going to go away.

01:10:13You can put Band-Aids on it.

01:10:14You can ignore it.

01:10:15But, like, you're only just prolonging the pain more and more.

01:10:18And so, although sometimes making a really, really hard decision in that moment can feel excruciating and uncomfortable, you're then

01:10:27already in the process of moving forward with what you know in your gut you're supposed to do.

01:10:30And the more that you avoid it, you're just going to continue to live a life where, like, you're not

01:10:35being authentic and honest to yourself.

01:10:37And that will eat you alive inside.

01:10:38And it's kind of not fair to the partner that you're with.

01:10:41Totally.

01:10:41They deserve to be with someone also that is wholeheartedly in it with them.

01:10:45And so sometimes it really is the selfless thing to do as much as it feels selfish in the moment.

01:10:53Well, it's interesting, this idea of selfish versus selfless.

01:10:58And I think self-care really does include honoring yourself and your highest good because we each have that over

01:11:09ourselves.

01:11:09So to try to people please to remain in relationship with someone, it is actually quite unfair to both of

01:11:16you.

01:11:17And you have one life.

01:11:18Like, you are born into this life with your one life.

01:11:21And I hope that everyone out there finds exactly what they want in this life.

01:11:28Like, you deserve that.

01:11:29And if you go down a road, like, you can begin again every fucking second of every day.

01:11:38It is never too late.

01:11:41Like, I am 39 years old and I just went on the biggest tour of my life almost 20 years

01:11:48after my biggest song came out.

01:11:53Like, and to get there, my fucking God, was that a road?

01:11:57It was a difficult road.

01:11:58But I had to honor my truth.

01:12:01I had to honor myself.

01:12:03I had to go through what I went through to get there.

01:12:06I had to break up with someone I love.

01:12:09I still love.

01:12:10And I'm so grateful for.

01:12:11I had to have all my fucking medical records on the internet.

01:12:15I had to have the ugly filler phase.

01:12:19Like, I had to have all these things that were so intolerably painful at the time.

01:12:26And I can sit here and talk to you and be so grateful I went through them because I feel

01:12:31so free.

01:12:33And I just, I want that for, like, everyone.

01:12:37I want everyone to really feel in their authenticity and, like, connected to their highest version of themselves.

01:12:44I'm so happy for you.

01:12:46Like, everything you've went through, that's why I think so many people love you.

01:12:50Not that you should have had to go through it.

01:12:51But, like, you sitting here, I mean, you have new music out, your new single, Origami.

01:12:56Like, I want to talk about it because it's like, what was the inspiration behind this song?

01:13:01Yeah, I have a new song coming out called Origami.

01:13:04And it is, I am having a fun time immortalizing this reclaiming of my sexuality.

01:13:14The past, like, year and a half, two years, I'm reclaiming myself.

01:13:18And part of that is my sexuality.

01:13:19And this is a song that's about, you know, bend me, twist me, how you want me, baby mate me,

01:13:28Origami.

01:13:32In Italy.

01:13:34You know, just in Italy, though.

01:13:37Just in Italy.

01:13:38Is there an album that would be coming with this as well?

01:13:43So, I'm trying to figure it out because, my God, there are a lot of songs.

01:13:47You said you always do, like, a hundred.

01:13:49Lots of songs are happening at all times.

01:13:51You're writing.

01:13:52I'm writing all the time.

01:13:54I mean, my God.

01:13:55So, like, TBD, exactly what form it's going to be in.

01:13:59But there is a new song that's, like, so cunty.

01:14:03And it's really fun.

01:14:05And it's just, like, celebrating being in your body.

01:14:10And, quite frankly, like, having so much fun again in my body at 39 years old.

01:14:19Having gone through hell and back.

01:14:21And I'm having the best time.

01:14:23And I feel like I got to sing songs about it.

01:14:26Absolutely.

01:14:26Yeah.

01:14:27You are going on the Freedom Tour this summer.

01:14:29Yes.

01:14:30What can fans expect from that?

01:14:32Well, so, I kind of was, I had all this.

01:14:38My story, my trauma was, like, trapped in my body.

01:14:40And I did a psychedelic-assisted therapy that was really helpful for me in my anxiety.

01:14:50And I kind of was, like, how can I tell this story?

01:14:53How can I ever get this all out of my body?

01:14:57And my body was, like, bitch, you have, you're playing the forum.

01:15:02What are you talking about?

01:15:03And it's, like, no, but I can't say the whole parts of the story.

01:15:07Like, I can't talk about it.

01:15:08But, and my leg was, like, put it in the show.

01:15:12So, I tell basically my life's story through my life's work.

01:15:18And that's why it's the Freedom Tour.

01:15:20Wow.

01:15:21Because I go through, like, I go through the story in the only way that I can through my life's

01:15:28work.

01:15:29And the goal is to create love for myself, love with my community, and to really walk through this world

01:15:37in, like, freedom and sovereignty.

01:15:41So beautiful.

01:15:42Yeah.

01:15:43And it's, like, gay church.

01:15:44Let's go.

01:15:45Let's go.

01:15:46It was the first time I've ever headlined MSG.

01:15:49Congratulations.

01:15:50What did that feel like?

01:15:52Well, first of all, it was sold out.

01:15:53Girl.

01:15:54I can't.

01:15:55How did you feel just, like, chilling in your dressing room before, hearing everyone screaming?

01:16:01Cassie Ventura sends me this massive bouquet of these beautiful pink roses before I go out on stage.

01:16:07That's sweet angel.

01:16:09I have chills all over my body talking about it.

01:16:12Oh.

01:16:12I know.

01:16:13And my whole family is there.

01:16:15And it is sold out.

01:16:17Oh, my God.

01:16:18And I just can't tell you, like, feeling, because Cassie was in the room when I recorded the song TikTok.

01:16:28Yeah.

01:16:29Oh, so she's been there since day one.

01:16:31Yeah.

01:16:32Wow.

01:16:33Yeah.

01:16:34Oh, wow.

01:16:35And then everything you guys have both individually been through with horrific, unimaginable situations to then now be on the

01:16:43other side of it and both be able to be together.

01:16:46I don't want to speak for you, but, like, I'm seeing you, like, smile and nod and all of it.

01:16:50It's like, whoa.

01:16:52How emotional was that?

01:16:54Oh, like.

01:16:59So.

01:17:00And, like, she just had a baby and she seems to be doing so well.

01:17:06And I'm so happy for her.

01:17:09It, like, feels so good to witness that.

01:17:11Yeah.

01:17:11And I'm sure she feels the same about you.

01:17:14I know.

01:17:15It's just, like, such a moment.

01:17:17And it was, like, one of the most special nights of my life because there's this, like, hard curfew at

01:17:22MSG.

01:17:22And if you go over one minute, it's, like, a very bad, it's even a big, big trouble.

01:17:27And the crowd literally started cheering and, like, didn't stop for, I think it was, like, 10 or 11 minutes

01:17:34to the point where everyone's freaking out in my in-ears being like, you have to start the next song.

01:17:42You're gonna get.

01:17:43Getting tackled off the stage.

01:17:45You're fired from New York City forever.

01:17:47And I just was, like, no, this is, like, I have waited for this kind of, I felt, I was,

01:17:56like, I'm not stopping them.

01:17:57There's no fucking way.

01:17:58I sat alone in my house and, like, truly questioned the point of living any longer for almost a decade.

01:18:08And I'm gonna stop them cheering.

01:18:12Charge it to the card, baby.

01:18:17It's worth it.

01:18:19Oh, I can't even imagine.

01:18:22Did you feel in your body in that moment?

01:18:24I literally felt like my heart, people, like, say heart chakra, whatever it was, I felt my literal heart, it

01:18:33felt like someone was tearing the fascial tissue apart.

01:18:38And I literally felt my heart open in a way that I don't think I've ever felt anything like in

01:18:45my entire life.

01:18:46And it was so, that's what I was saying to you earlier, like, the fans, I hope, had an amazing

01:18:51time this summer, but I don't think they're ever gonna really be able to understand what that did for me.

01:18:57Like, that night alone was, it was like a turning point in my life.

01:19:02It was one of the greatest nights of my entire life.

01:19:05I can't even imagine what's so beautiful about the industry, because I know there's so much pain, obviously, that it's

01:19:14brought you.

01:19:15But for you to be able to do the thing that you love so much and that you're so passionate

01:19:20about, you're so talented, and do it and get so much fulfillment and healing out of it.

01:19:26But then also to simultaneously be giving such happiness also to your fans.

01:19:32Like, you're being able to do both at the same time.

01:19:35Like, what a beautiful gift that you're giving everyone and yourself included, because you should put yourself first right now

01:19:41at this time in your life.

01:19:42But the fact that putting yourself first means you want to get on that stage, and that's your healing process.

01:19:47Like, I can only imagine what your fans feel in the crowd.

01:19:51Like, they must feel that from you.

01:19:53Well, I mean, God, they were there at the beginning, and we were having fun, and then a bunch of

01:19:58shit happened, and it was, like, was sad and hard.

01:20:02And, like, now I'm, like, now let's celebrate, like, that we also have each other in this life.

01:20:11It might be an unusual form of community, but, like, that's my community.

01:20:16I've been doing this for a long time.

01:20:17And half of the time, again, unfortunately, you shouldn't have to go through it, but when you go through harder

01:20:22shit, it brings you even closer to the people that you love, because you can be, like, it's that much

01:20:29sweeter that we get to stand here and say I'm free.

01:20:32And we get to enjoy it that much more, because we felt it almost be taken away.

01:20:37Yeah.

01:20:38Wow.

01:20:39And I do think that's, like, the art of writing a book.

01:20:42Okay.

01:20:43And it's called The Alchemy of Pop.

01:20:46It's not going to be ready for a while.

01:20:47Okay.

01:20:48We'll be waiting.

01:20:49But, like, it's going to be great, but it's going to take me a while.

01:20:52Yeah.

01:20:52But it's all about alchemizing your experiences in this life.

01:20:57Anything that happens to you, like, I have found that I can take it, and I try to alchemize it

01:21:03into something that can help someone else somehow.

01:21:07And, like, to your point, like, that's what I've tried to do with my experiences in life.

01:21:11I try to put them into a song.

01:21:13It helps me.

01:21:14Yeah.

01:21:14And then I really hope it helps other people.

01:21:18Last two questions.

01:21:20I feel like I could talk to you for nine hours.

01:21:23How would you describe this current era of your life that you are now in and continuing to, like, enter

01:21:29into?

01:21:30I think I'm just so, for the first time in a long time, I feel so safe in my body

01:21:40and in the world.

01:21:41And I know that's maybe a crazy thing to say because the world is crazy.

01:21:49But it's the first time that I've ever felt this.

01:21:53And so I would like to create safe places for people, whatever that means.

01:22:04So I'm just really open to the universe.

01:22:07I would love the universe to show me, like, what is the best way to do that for other people?

01:22:18Because it was, like, yeah, to feel safe is everything.

01:22:26And I would love to help other people feel safe.

01:22:32So I'm, like, open to what that means.

01:22:35But I'm in a place where I feel very grateful to be alive and to have lived through what I

01:22:41lived through and to feel safe.

01:22:42And now I would like to help pay that forward.

01:22:46Wow.

01:22:47Yeah.

01:22:49For fans who have been with you since day one, what message would you want to leave them with today?

01:22:57I literally, truly, though, you're actually the love of my life.

01:23:05Like, I think about all these silly goose men come and go.

01:23:09So my animals, like, I'm so grateful.

01:23:16And I'm sorry your mother has had lots of phases.

01:23:22You're like, girl.

01:23:23Thank you for loving me through all of them.

01:23:25And I just, I'm so, I'm so lucky.

01:23:31I'm so grateful.

01:23:32I'm so grateful.

01:23:34And I'm just, like, very, I'm just so fucking grateful.

01:23:38And I want to just continue to create safe spaces for you to come and be, like, authentically as fucking

01:23:47weird as you want to be.

01:23:49So hopefully I'll see you on summer tour and, like, be weird.

01:23:52Be so weird.

01:23:54I feel like I can speak for everyone when we say, like, we love you so much.

01:23:59And we are so happy that you are at a place where you do feel safe in your life because

01:24:03you deserve it more than anything.

01:24:06And I am so happy for you and your career, all that you've accomplished.

01:24:10We could have sat here for hours and talked about every single song you've ever released, every single tour you've

01:24:14been on, every single thing you've accomplished.

01:24:16Like, there's too much.

01:24:18And it's so crazy.

01:24:20Like, it's still going and it's still coming.

01:24:22And I'm just so happy for you.

01:24:23You're such a beautiful, interesting, intelligent person.

01:24:28And I'm so happy I got to sit down with you.

01:24:32Like, I never know what to expect.

01:24:33Like, this is why I love my job.

01:24:34I get to sit down and I think I know from researching.

01:24:37But you're even more incredible than I could have ever imagined.

01:24:41So, and thank you for your time because I know you haven't done a long-form interview in a really

01:24:45long time.

01:24:46Yeah.

01:24:47I don't think I've done it since I got out of litigation.

01:24:50So thank you for making me feel safe.

01:24:51It was my absolute, absolute honor.

01:24:55Well, creating a safe space allows us to be silly geese.

01:24:59And that is the goal, honey.

01:25:01Kasia, thank you for coming on Caller Daddy.

01:25:03Thanks for having me.

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