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00:01Okay, I'm going to first, at the very outset, look at what this election has done, what happened really today.
00:06I'm joined by special guests at the top, Pradeep Gupta, Chairman of MD Access My India joins me.
00:12Yogendra Yadav, Co-Founder Swaraj India is with me, also being joined by Ashutosh.
00:17But first, I want to come to each of you.
00:20Pradeep Gupta, the reason I'm coming to you is because Pradeep Gupta was the one who predicted this Vijay blockbuster
00:27debut.
00:28More than a hundred seats, no one else did.
00:32Pradeep Gupta, you opted out of Bengal, but you chose the right state of Tamil Nadu.
00:37How do you see that?
00:38Got one right, opted out of the other.
00:41What happened in Tamil Nadu?
00:44Rajdeep, you credit to Access My India team, we got all four what we predicted spot on to the vote
00:53share and to the seats here.
00:54Now, coming to the Tamil Nadu, we predicted 35% vote share for the TVK.
01:00It is 35% only.
01:02And 98 to 120 seats, the midpoint was 109.
01:09Now, you are showing 107 is winning by the TVK or the Vijay.
01:15What had happened there is this time Vijay came victorious.
01:20It come across all the caste and geographical barriers and satraps like Western Tamil Nadu,
01:27the Chinnai for the DMK, Western Tamil Nadu for AIDMK,
01:33one day are in the Southern Tamil Nadu, PMK.
01:37It has cut across all the barriers.
01:40It is the youth in the age group of 18 to 39, which contributes 42% of the Tamil Nadu
01:47population.
01:48That is where TVK scored more than 50% votes.
01:54More than 50% among the…
01:55Let me get that right.
01:56You are saying TVK scored more than 50% of the vote in the demographic of those between 18 and
02:0242.
02:02Am I correct?
02:03Yes, absolutely.
02:06And among the women, TVK scored more than 38%, more than any other party,
02:17particularly in case of women and female in Tamil Nadu.
02:22I mean, this is the story, this 50% demography and that 42% youth up to age group of
02:2940.
02:31TVK has become victorious.
02:33And yet you chose, while you got Tamil Nadu spot on, Assam, Kerala and Puducherry, you stayed out of Bengal.
02:40Any regrets?
02:41Couldn't you see a wave like this?
02:43This is a complete wave.
02:44How did you miss the wave?
02:46No, no, no, there is no question.
02:48Until or less people speak to our Access My India, there is no question of wave.
02:53At Access My India, we strongly believe in our process and the data science.
02:59Nothing more than that, nothing less than that.
03:01If 80% of people are not speaking and you know that our Sikh surveyors were sent to jail and
03:09spent about 24 days in Dam Dam Jail in Kolkata.
03:11And we bail out them from Kolkata High Court.
03:15I mean, there is no question of seeing the wave or anything else.
03:19And this is the precisely reason, though based on those 20-30% people spoke to us, I clearly said
03:27and maintained that BJP is likely to do extraordinarily well.
03:31How well?
03:32I do not have the answer that time.
03:35But you did not say those words, but you know, I don't want to quibble on a day when you've
03:39got four states right.
03:40I think you deserve credit for having got those four states right.
03:44I want to come to my other guests for a moment.
03:46I'll come back to you, Pradeep, because Yogendra Yadavji, let's turn to the state of West Bengal.
03:51Sudhanshu Trivedi is also joining us.
03:53And Sudhanshu, I'm coming to you in a moment because you have reason to celebrate.
03:57But Yogendra, when I look at the big picture of these states, I've mentioned these two big states at the
04:02moment.
04:03Tamil Nadu, where Vijay makes this blockbuster debut.
04:07And Bengal, where 15 years after Mamata Banerjee took power, she's been out by a major, major BJP win in
04:16a state where the BJP was just three seats 10 years ago.
04:19For you, would you agree, West Bengal is a tipping point in Indian politics?
04:24It shows a BJP dominance like never before.
04:29A tipping point for more than one reason.
04:32But, Rajdeep, let me begin by congratulating Pradeep Gupta.
04:35I've done that on two other channels as well.
04:38You know, you go out of the trend, you break from the herd, and you make a forecast, which is
04:44a very risky forecast like that, and you get it right.
04:47My congratulations.
04:48I don't do this stuff anymore, but I'm glad you are doing it.
04:53Rajdeep, today is a day of reckoning for democratic opposition in this country.
04:59The window that opened in 2024 Loksama election, which had kind of narrowed down with Haryana, Maharashtra, and then in
05:09Bihar, that window is firmly shut.
05:11And, therefore, the democratic opposition must introspect, hard-ask, harsh questions to themselves, and ask some hard questions to the
05:23world, to the system outside.
05:26The opposition cannot and must not take too much solace from what happened in Kerala, because in Kerala, it's a
05:35routine return, and because it was delayed by five years, so probably they also added, people added some areas to
05:43that.
05:44Nothing more than that.
05:44What happened in Tamil Nadu is a great democratic transformation, and I say this without being pro or anti anyone,
05:54but this is what democracy does.
05:55You know, suddenly, a rank outsider comes in and transforms it.
06:00However, what happened in Tamil Nadu is not replicable anywhere else.
06:03Tamil Nadu is sui generis in India, so it stays there.
06:06What happened in Assam is something where system plays a role, but a very limited role.
06:15In Assam, the delimitation was such, which is one of the worst delimitations ever in the history of this country.
06:23So, the BJP began with 10 seats in its pocket before even the first vote was cast.
06:30Having said that, I would say that in Assam, BJP would have won, even if the Election Commission had not
06:38done the kind of cheating that it has done in delimitation.
06:41The opposition, it was almost a classic case of how not to contest the election, and this is what I
06:47mean by introspection for the opposition.
06:50Opposition must reimagine the way it approaches elections, its strategy, its coalitions, and the election machine.
06:59Now, coming to Bengal, which is what your original question was, to my mind, yes, this kind of result cannot
07:08come unless there is a popular resentment.
07:11And people like me may have underestimated.
07:15I did not make a forecast, but I can tell you honestly, my sense was, yes, Election Commission has done
07:20some hiraferi, but Mamta's margin is too big, and she would be able to absorb that stuff.
07:26That did not happen so clearly.
07:28We made an error of judgment, and unlike Pradeep Gupta, we did not have any survey or anything else to
07:34back it on.
07:35So, yes, there was popular resentment, which we did not see.
07:42Having said that, and that's the last point I want to make, the result was probably not possible without SIR.
07:51Please remember, in SIR, 90 lakh votes were deleted.
07:57I would not say all those 90 lakh were false or targeted, because in the first round, 58 lakhs were
08:03deleted.
08:04No particular evidence of that having been targeted or partisan.
08:08But the final 27 lakh votes that got deleted, we have every evidence to suggest that they were targeted, that
08:16they were wrongful deletions, and that it has actually contributed in a big way to BJP victory.
08:24But may I add one more thing?
08:26At this scale of a victory, may I intervene there, 79 to the TMC versus 208 to the BJP, those
08:3227 lakh, even if they were targeted in part.
08:35Because a number of them also, of course, Murshidabad, Malda, large Muslim population areas, as well as in some of
08:41the Matua belts, Hindu areas on the border.
08:44All of them found themselves in logical discrepancies.
08:48It would not have changed the mandate, Yogendra Yadav.
08:51Rajdeep, I think we need to hold here and just get the mathematics right.
08:56The BJP as of now, I checked a few minutes ago, only about 5-6% votes are remaining to
09:02be counted.
09:03And BJP is ahead by 5.08% in Bengal.
09:075.08% roughly by about 32 lakh votes, they are ahead.
09:11So by the time the counting ends, BJP may have a lead of about 33 lakhs, all right?
09:1627 lakh people who were denied wrongfully their right to vote.
09:22And one thing we all forget, Rajdeep, 6 lakh votes were added in Bengal after the final list had been
09:29published,
09:30after which technically you cannot have any addition.
09:32And no one has the faintest idea where those 6 lakh votes came from.
09:38No one can tell you how exactly they were added.
09:41And 26 plus 6, 27 plus 6 is 33 lakh.
09:45I'm not saying that every single one of them was TNC voter.
09:50But in a country, should you not ask this question?
09:54And may I not, because in the Supreme Court, Justice Park Ji, I think, had asked this question hypothetically.
10:01He said, in one constituency, suppose the number of votes deleted is larger than the margin of victory for one
10:09party.
10:10He did not give an answer.
10:11He just posed this question.
10:13Now, this is a question which now is relevant for the whole state of Bengal.
10:19It's relevant for Mamata Banerjee's constituency of Babanipur, for example, where she's trailing by about 500 votes in a constituency
10:27where a large, well over a few thousand votes were cut.
10:31So those are questions which the Supreme Court…
10:33We have the final figure right now, Rajdeep, by tomorrow morning, possibly some smart person would come up with the
10:38exact figure.
10:39But what we want to know is this.
10:41How, if you look at these 27 lakh votes that were wrongfully deleted, not all the deletions, that would be
10:47unfair.
10:48Plus these 6 lakhs, which were mysteriously added.
10:52In how many constituencies does this number exceed the margin of victory for the BJP?
11:00Once we have this number, then we can start discussing.
11:03Yes, the difference looks very big in terms of seats for some reasons, which can happen in election.
11:11The BJP has almost the same scale of victory as the TMC, although its margin is half of that of
11:16the TMC last time.
11:18TMC's margin was 10%, and it had this kind of victory.
11:22BJP's margin is only 5%.
11:23I'm not saying there is some hiraferi in this.
11:25This can happen in elections, especially if you have a uniform swing.
11:29So, but let's remember it's only 5%, and let's remember 5% is exactly the most disputed deletion in the
11:37history of Indian elections ever.
11:39Something for which the election commission owes an answer to this question.
11:44Ranshu Trivedi, you're hearing Yogendra Yadav, he has made a very important point.
11:49Do you want to respond to that, that the SIR deletions, he said, and there'll be further examination of that,
11:55could have had a major impact on that West Bengal verdict?
12:03Before Yogendra Yadav, Mr. Pradeep Gupta was saying, was very clear to give you what was going on in Bengal.
12:10If the surveyors were put to the jail for just asking whom you will vote,
12:15and then somebody's having an audacity to say that the democracy is danger for opposing them, not for supporting them.
12:24Second thing I would like to say, yes, of course, election commission has done a miracle,
12:28because after a long time, for the first time, a peaceful election without violence has taken place,
12:36where users to be a place, when at one point of time, U.P. Bihar were infamous for electoral violence,
12:42now they are settled, and in West Bengal, dozens of murders during the polling was used as to be a
12:48normal, usual feature.
12:50But even in 2018, during Panchayat election, 75 murders, 75 killing, and this time, not even a single killing.
13:00And then it is said that, oh, there is a problem in that because of SIR.
13:05Yogendra Yadav is making an important point, 27 lakh, Mr. Sudhanshu Trivedi, Yogendra Yadav is saying,
13:13under logical discrepancies, 27 lakh voters, most of them could be genuine,
13:19and many cases like Babanipur, the margin of defeat of a Mamata Banerji who has just lost Babanipur,
13:26could be actually less than what the total number of people who have been deleted.
13:34I am coming, I am coming point by point.
13:37It was TMC which has gone to court, and court has ordered, even 48 hours before the polling,
13:43if somebody comes, their name has to be added.
13:46It was on the request of TMC, by the direction of Supreme Court.
13:51No decision election commission has taken on its own.
13:54But as far as the 5% difference in others is concerned,
13:57Mr. Yogendra Yadav is a much, much better syphilogy because the vote of Tranmul is concentrated in certain areas.
14:05And BJP vote is evenly distributed.
14:08That's why there is a number of seats.
14:09I give you one example.
14:10In 2024, which seat has got the biggest margin in the entire country?
14:15It was Dhubri seat of Assam, in which Rakibul Hassan of Congress won by 10,25,000 votes.
14:21I mean, 10% of the Assam vote was there in victory margin in one seat.
14:25So that's why you can say the 5% difference has created a big deal in the change of the
14:33seats.
14:33Sir, Yogendra Yadav is not doubting that.
14:35He's saying uniform...
14:36No, no.
14:36First of all, the big news, Mamata Banerjee has lost from Babanipur.
14:41Remember, the second time that Suvendu Adhikari in a way has defeated her,
14:45last time was Nandigram, this time in Babanipur.
14:47But you're not answering the question.
14:49The logical discrepancies, 27 lakhs, could have affected constituencies like Babanipur.
14:55Should the EC and Supreme Court not explain it or you believe no explanation needed?
15:01Jho Jita Woh Sikandar.
15:03Aabhi, aabhi sunhiya.
15:04Rathip ji, let me complete.
15:07Jho Jita Wohi Sikandar saaf ho jayega.
15:10Aabhi municipal corporation election in Kerala, in Keralam,
15:14it was conducted by state election commission.
15:16I challenge, do they have any difference in the electoral list of the Vidhan Sabha
15:21and Lok Sabha, which was prepared by the central election commission
15:25and the municipal corporation, which was prepared by the state election commission?
15:29No, not at all.
15:30Now you are trying to make a bogey.
15:33This SIR happened in Tamil Nadu, it happened in Kerala, it happened in every state.
15:37So it was all.
15:39But now I will give you one example.
15:41In Bangladesh, the member of parliament, Akhtar Hussain,
15:44just two days back had said in the parliament, in Bangladeshi parliament,
15:47that if BJP wins in West Bengal,
15:50there can be an influx of Bangladeshis from Bengal.
15:54This is a candid acceptance that the Bangladeshis were here and they were voting.
15:59There is no if and but about it.
16:01Second example, I would like to say, in 2024, election was going on in India.
16:05Why the Congress leaders were writing article in Morning Star,
16:09the Bangladeshi newspaper that the Modi has to go?
16:11Rajdeep, can you give any logic?
16:14No, no, I cannot give logic at the moment to logical discrepancies that were only in West...
16:19No, no, Mr. Dr. Sudhan Shutrivedi with due regard.
16:24Logical discrepancies was a category created only in West Bengal.
16:27All 27 lakh people were eliminated.
16:29We still don't even know how many ghuspetiyas were there actually or not.
16:33All of this is part of the narrative building.
16:35I'm sorry to say, I agree with you,
16:38Mamata Banerjee has been hit by a big anti-incumbency.
16:42But you have to explain this to me.
16:47I'm asking you about logical discrepancy.
16:50I'm asking you about logical discrepancy.
16:53I'm asking you about logical discrepancy.
16:54I'm saying two-thirds Hindu votes are cut, one-third Muslim votes are cut.
16:58Anybody can refuse this logic?
17:01Now tell me, two-thirds are Hindu votes are cut and one-third Muslim votes are cut.
17:05And another logic I would like to say,
17:08in Dhubri you got the maximum victory,
17:10despite Hemantab Sharma openly said Dhubri is a mini-Bangladesh.
17:15So those districts in which the huge demographic change has said,
17:19there the victory margin is huge.
17:20Even in Haryana, which was the biggest victory margin,
17:23Maman Khan who won by 98,000, more than Mr. Huda.
17:26So everywhere all over the country,
17:29the victory margin is more in a particular precisely Muslim vote bank.
17:33So problem is, there is a template of Indian politics
17:37which is going on since 60 years, CDMA.
17:40Caste divide to Hindus and Muslim appeasement.
17:43Hinduo ko jaat pe ladao, muslimaan ko sar pe baitha lo,
17:46aur uske baad dono se mil kar,
17:48ek jaati ko ya do jaati ko jod kar,
17:51sarkar banao.
17:51Now I think in the 21st century,
17:54the things are going away,
17:55the new generation,
17:56as in Tamil Nadu you have seen,
17:58the decline of Dribadian politics,
18:00the new voters are transforming to that,
18:03regional identity to separatist identity,
18:06these type of things are now gradually getting sidelined in Indian politics.
18:11This is the major picture you have to look logically onto.
18:14Okay, I am going to look at that major picture.
18:16I take your last point and I just get Yoginder to respond to that.
18:19Yoginder Yadav, according to Sudhanshu Trivedi,
18:21two-thirds, one-thirds.
18:23Two-thirds of those who are cut are Hindus,
18:26one-third Muslims.
18:26It would have made no difference to the eventual verdict.
18:31Rajdeep,
18:34you know,
18:34I hope you got an answer to your questions.
18:36I did not.
18:38The simple things remain as the following.
18:40Sudhanshu Ji said,
18:41SIR took place in every state,
18:43which is correct.
18:43But it is only and only in West Bengal
18:47that after the release of the draft list,
18:51additional names were deleted.
18:54This never happened in every single state.
18:57In Tamil Nadu,
18:58initially 97 lakh names were deleted,
19:01which were brought down to 73 lakhs.
19:03And this is a pattern which happened in every other state.
19:07Only in Bengal,
19:08initially 58 lakhs were deleted.
19:10And then 90,
19:13it went to 91 lakhs,
19:14only and only in West Bengal.
19:16Something unique happened in West Bengal,
19:19where people who had given their enumeration form,
19:22who had submitted their documents,
19:24they were deleted.
19:26This did not happen anywhere else.
19:28And that is why the election commission was an answer.
19:30Sudhanshu Ji said,
19:32well,
19:32Supreme Court said,
19:33anyone two days before can come.
19:35Sudhanshu Ji,
19:36do you know the figures?
19:37Out of 27 lakh people,
19:39whose names were deleted,
19:41the appellate authority could share only 1,600,
19:46not even 1 lakh,
19:481,600 cases were settled.
19:50And incidentally,
19:51almost every case that was settled,
19:53the appellate authority said,
19:55ha, ito,
19:55galti ho ga iti,
19:56they should be allowed to vote.
19:57They are legitimate,
19:58genuine voters.
20:00And that is why I say
20:02that what is happening
20:03is something that owes an answer to the country.
20:06And this is something that,
20:08if this becomes a template,
20:10if the delimitation of Assam becomes a template,
20:14and if SIR of West Bengal becomes a template,
20:18then we can say goodbye to democracy in this country.
20:21That is my only point.
20:22Please remember,
20:23Those are very, very, very strong,
20:25those are very, very strong,
20:26serious words.
20:27But the fact is,
20:28of course,
20:28Mamata Banerjee has lost to Babanipur.
20:30Ashutosh,
20:31you want to respond to that?
20:32Because apart from SIR,
20:34the truth is,
20:34there was anti-incumbency.
20:36You look at the map of Bengal,
20:37clearly there was a swing away.
20:39There's a 6% swing away,
20:417% swing away
20:42from the Trinamun Congress,
20:44from 48% to 41%.
20:45So, 15 years,
20:47fatigue,
20:47anti-incumbency,
20:48charges of corruption,
20:50criminality,
20:50tola bazi,
20:51syndicates,
20:52all of which have come to haunt Mamata Banerjee.
20:54So, you can't just put it all at SIR's door.
20:58See, Razdi,
20:59we all become very intelligent
21:01once the event has already happened.
21:03And let me start by saying so,
21:07that everything is fair in love and war.
21:09In today's world,
21:11election is the war.
21:12So, everything is fair.
21:14And you just said that
21:16Mamata Banerjee has lost.
21:17I think we have forgotten.
21:18The toolkit was already working.
21:20Naveen Patnaik lost in Odisha.
21:22Arvind Kejriwal lost in New Delhi.
21:24And now Mamata Banerjee has lost twice.
21:27So, there is a toolkit.
21:28What is the toolkit?
21:30That's a conspiracy theory.
21:31What is the toolkit?
21:32They're losing election.
21:33They're losing support.
21:35They've all lost.
21:36There's a swing away from them
21:37in all these states you mentioned.
21:38Naveen Patnaik,
21:40Arvind Kejriwal,
21:41and Mamata Banerjee
21:42support anti-incumbency.
21:44Rajdeep, I did not say
21:45there's a conspiracy.
21:46I'm only saying
21:46there is a toolkit.
21:48You can call it template.
21:49Okay, let's use the word template.
21:52And let's,
21:54first of all,
21:55we have to understand,
21:56in my opinion,
21:57Assam and Bengal,
21:58why Assam and Bengal
21:59is very, very important
22:00for the BJP are the RSS.
22:02In my opinion,
22:03this is not an electoral victory.
22:05These are the historic
22:07ideological achievement
22:08by the BJP itself.
22:10Because in their scheme of things,
22:1335% Muslims in Assam
22:15and the 28% Muslim in Bengal
22:18are a problem
22:20for the RSS
22:22and the problem
22:22for the Hindutton.
22:23So these two states
22:25have to be one
22:26come what may.
22:28Either this way
22:28or that way.
22:29That's what I'm saying.
22:30Everything is fair in love
22:31and war
22:32and everything is fair in love.
22:32You're saying it was not
22:33a normal election
22:34in that sense.
22:35You're saying it was not
22:36a normal election
22:37even though you accept
22:38surely that Mamata Banerjee
22:40also had strong
22:41anti-incumbency against her.
22:42But since you mentioned
22:43these states,
22:44the political national picture,
22:46I want to put a graphic
22:47and maybe get Sudhanshu
22:48and all my guests
22:48to respond for one final comment.
22:50The national picture,
22:51the BJP and its allies
22:52are now in power
22:54in 21 states of India.
22:55Let's put up that graphic.
22:57I haven't completed my argument.
22:59That is 72% of the country
23:00and in terms of population,
23:02NDA is now ruling
23:0478% of the country's population.
23:07Take a look at those numbers again.
23:09The national picture,
23:10BJP and its allies
23:11in power in more than 20 states.
23:13In terms of land mass,
23:16in terms of land area,
23:17that is 72% of the country.
23:20In terms of population,
23:21NDA is ruling 78%
23:23of the population.
23:25I am going to try
23:26and put those numbers
23:27on the screen for you
23:29of just how the map of India
23:31has transformed.
23:32But Sudhanshu Trivedi,
23:33to you first.
23:33Is this in a sense
23:35the first step
23:35towards a complete opposition
23:37Mukt Bharat?
23:38When you look at those pictures
23:39from the Rana of Kutch
23:40to the Bay of Bengal
23:41right up to Arunachal,
23:43BJP all the way.
23:44You couldn't have imagined this
23:45one decade ago.
23:46Your critics are saying,
23:48Sam, Dam, Dandabhed.
23:50How do you explain this?
23:56Actually, I will explain.
23:58This has happened,
23:59started since 2014.
24:01Just after the victory
24:02of 2014,
24:04when 282 seats
24:04we got on our own,
24:06Rajnath Singh Ji himself
24:07told me,
24:08at the time he was
24:09party president also,
24:11that Modiji se bat hor rahi
24:12toh wahan there was
24:13no celebration
24:14in a meeting with Modiji
24:15that we have got
24:16clear majority
24:17and after 30 years
24:18a party has got
24:19clear mandate.
24:20There was a planning
24:21that after 2019 onwards
24:23in which state
24:24BJP can achieve
24:26electoral success
24:27and we can achieve power.
24:28And in that
24:29Odisha and Bengal
24:30were selected.
24:31So there is a 12 years
24:32planning,
24:33consistent effort,
24:34sacrifice of our workers
24:36and if you see,
24:38if somebody is saying
24:39anything else,
24:40sir, in 2011
24:41we were irrelevant party.
24:442016,
24:443 seats,
24:4510% vote.
24:462021,
24:4777 seats,
24:4838% vote.
24:49So whatever is today
24:50is 46.1% vote
24:52is logical.
24:53There is no if and but
24:54about it
24:55that the trajectory
24:56is showing it.
24:57But one thing is that
24:58if Yogi Ndiadav ji
25:00was having some problem
25:01with the template,
25:02I would like to see
25:02the template for Assam
25:03and Bengal was very clear.
25:04Get the intruders
25:05from Bengal,
25:06legitimize them
25:07and then succumb
25:08to their aggressive
25:09politics
25:10and keep on ruling
25:13the state
25:14for 10-15 years
25:15and then what will
25:16happen,
25:16it will be seen.
25:17Now this template
25:18has been understood.
25:20And one more thing
25:20I would like to say,
25:21in this election,
25:22Rajdeep ji,
25:23there was India alliance.
25:26In Keralam,
25:27they were fighting
25:28towards each other.
25:29Mamta ji
25:30against me
25:30Rahul Gandhi
25:31bayaan dee reheythe.
25:31Aray,
25:32kitni rally kiyeh,
25:33bataayyeh.
25:33Nobody was asking
25:34for Rahul Gandhi's
25:35program.
25:36Tamil Nadu,
25:37DMK was not giving
25:38them any sort
25:39of importance.
25:40On the other hand,
25:41he was there
25:41in Great Nicobar.
25:43So it's very clear
25:44that after this,
25:45India alliance
25:46seems to be
25:47withered away.
25:48There is no doubt
25:49about it as UPA
25:50has, you can say,
25:52evaporated,
25:53whatever has happened,
25:54the problem
25:59with opposition
26:01is that they are
26:02still sticking to
26:03the age-old template
26:05of caste divide
26:06in Hindus
26:07and Muslim
26:08appeasement
26:09and the combination
26:10with work,
26:11there is no need
26:12of doing
26:12anything good.
26:13Like,
26:14I would like
26:14to remind
26:15in 2021 election,
26:17the strategist
26:18of Tranmul Congress,
26:19Mr. Prachant Kishore
26:20said,
26:22So it was an easy
26:24politics,
26:25politics of convenience
26:27that you keep on
26:29plus 30
26:29and we started
26:30with minus 30.
26:31So BJP has adopted
26:33the politics
26:34of tough
26:35portion.
26:35Those are live
26:36pictures meanwhile
26:37coming in.
26:38You can say
26:39hard work
26:39and gradual
26:42As you are speaking,
26:43sir,
26:44I am getting live
26:44pictures of
26:45Suvedu Adhikari
26:46who claims
26:46he is one,
26:47of course,
26:47who is now one
26:48from Babanipur.
26:49He is there
26:50with his certificate
26:50claiming victory.
26:51Just listen in
26:52for a moment.
26:54When I finished
26:55the margin
26:57with the 536
26:59vote
26:59I left
27:01then
27:02they started
27:02running
27:03from
27:04who
27:04are
27:10who
27:11are
27:13who
27:15are
27:16who
27:17can
27:19transfer
27:22from
27:27to
27:27to
27:46The Bengali Hindu, there you've got Suvedu Adhikari virtually claiming it was Hindu consolidation
27:53that ensured his victory in Babanipur.
27:55A final word from you, Ashutosh, on the last point that Sudhanshu made,
27:59where is the India or India alliance now?
28:01This election could well mean the end of the India alliance.
28:05Do you agree? A quick response.
28:07No, no, Rajdeep, India alliance, I think the myth is busted that these people,
28:14what are the normal saying?
28:16That the regional leaders are defeating BJP and the Congress is nowhere to be seen.
28:22The issue today is that these regional leaders are losing battle because they don't know the might of the BJP.
28:31To fight BJP, if everybody was fighting in his own burrows and was refusing to take help from others,
28:38and this is also happening because none of these leaders have any national understanding and national perspective.
28:46You're saying Mamata Banerjee should have gone along with the Congress, for example?
28:53No, no, Rajdeep, I'm not getting into that also.
28:56Do you remember what Mamata Banerjee has said in the 2024 Parliament election?
28:59That the Congress will not get more than 40 seats?
29:02See, don't forget it.
29:04What Rahul Gandhi has said now, that the Mamata Banerjee is opening space for the BJP to enter into the
29:09West Bengal,
29:12it was initiated by Mamata Banerjee itself.
29:14Why Mamata Banerjee made such a statement?
29:16Was he a member of India alliance or not?
29:19If she was, then she should have the understanding that a statement like that will damage India Ghat Bandar.
29:25So if India, if the leaders become so arrogant, so brazen, without any national understanding,
29:33without any national perspective, obviously this is going to happen.
29:36Now, I can cite the name of these.
29:39Tejasvi, Yadu, Naveen Patak, Arvind K. J. Nival, Mamata Banerjee, Sharad Pawar, Uddhav Thakre, MK Stalin, Akhilesh, Yadu, Nitish Kumar.
29:45All of them.
29:46Okay.
29:46Where are they today?
29:48Where are they today?
29:49Nowhere.
29:51Okay, I've heard from your final point, Sudhanshu, just 30 seconds.
29:54Your final point of the day, the biggest takeaway for you of this big day for the BJP.
30:03Just one line, I would say.
30:05First, the arrogance was, Ashutosh Ji, when Rahul Gandhi gave the speech in Parliament in 2024,
30:10after that, Congress won with a combined effort.
30:13Whomsoever leader you have mentioned, he has not given an iota of credit to anybody.
30:17Whether Sharad Pawar, Akhilesh, Yadu, Tejasvi, Yadu, Mamata Banerjee, Kejriwal.
30:21And he said, it's zami se asmaa tak, may hi may hu, dousra koi nai.
30:24And the arrogance led to the fall of India alliance.
30:27Now, the biggest takeaway of this is, Rajdeep ji, that, ki, Rastwad or Vikas ki Ganga,
30:35ab Gangotri se, Ganga Saagar tuk Aviral a raha raha hai hai.
30:38And the battle of Bihari Bajpaji ji, ne eek baar Mumbayi mein bola tha.
30:40Andhira chhate ga, suraj niklye ga, kamal khilye ga, suraj puret se nikalta hai.
30:46To ab, purvi bharat mein dhig gya hai, ki andhira, chhata, suraj nikla hai,
30:51or kamal khali ga, or eek point mein aor kheh dhu,
30:54Rastwip ji, kishi ko philosophical bhi lag sakta hai.
30:57In eastern part of India, there is a strong tradition of shakt tradition.
31:01Mata shakti ki pujha, maa ki pujha.
31:03To there are three main shakti pijs in eastern India,
31:06that is, tripura ki tripura ki tripura sundari,
31:08asam ki kamakchya devy,
31:10or kolkatta ki kalima.
31:11To maa tripura sundari ka dho bár achiha vat mila,
31:14or maa kamakchya ka tین bár,
31:16or maa kali ka pichlhi bár aadha achiha vat mila,
31:19to ab raashtra waad ki shakti jaagrat honne se,
31:23koi rok nahin sakta.
31:25Okay, on that note,
31:27the fact that you claim that you are now from west to east,
31:30India's party number one is undisputed,
31:33we can question some of the means that have been adopted to get there,
31:37but that is a separate debate.
31:39For now, Sudhanshu Trivedi and Ashutosh
31:41and Yogendra Yadav and Pradeep Gupta for joining me.
31:44Thank you very much.
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