Cuarto Milenio - 4x31 - El caso Rabadán - Parte 2 - HD 720 - Vídeo Dailymotion

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- El caso Rabadán: En 1994 Andrés Rabadán asesinó a su padre con una ballesta. El muchacho se entregó y confesó además que había sido el causante de unos sabotajes férreos que estuvieron apunto de costar decenas de víctimas. El suceso conmocionó a toda la sociedad de la época. Sin embargo, años después hay quienes piden la revisión tras la aparición en escena de un supuesto nuevo dato. El criminólogo Profesor de la Universidad de Valencia Vicente Garrido, el psiquiatra forense José Cabrera y el periodista Francisco Pérez Abellán, analizarán este crimen con la ayuda de Ventura Durall, autor del documental "El Perdón" sobre la historia de Andrés Rabadán en el que aparecen desgarradores testimonios de este, que serán analizados por los especialistas.   - El espíritu de la carretera A16: Un suceso que ha sobrecogido a toda la comunidad chilena. La carretera A-16 que une Iquique con Atacama es una de las que más índice de siniestralidad tiene de todo el Planeta. Uno de los últimos accidentes mortales ocurridos allí ha deparado una tenebrosa sorpresa: la supuesta fotografía del espíritu de uno de los fallecidos realizada por un policía chileno. Cuarto Milenio ha investigado el asunto y ha entrevistado a los principales protagonistas de este Expediente X que ha tenido en vilo todo el país.   - El enigma Neandertal: Un apasionante viaje para conocer de cerca la vida, el legado y los misterios que dejó esta otra especie humana que de la noche a la mañana desapareció de la faz de la Tierra. De la mano de eminencias como el escritor y editor Manuel Pimentel, el Profesor Titular de Psicobiología de la Universidad Complutense de Madrid Manuel Martín Loeches, el paleobiólogo del Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Científicas Antonio Rosas y el periodista científico José Manuel Nieves, veremos las claves de esta evolución.   - Diarios del miedo: Respeto   - Moncayo: la furia de un gigante: Cuarto milenio repasa las numerosas leyendas, mitos y misterios que han rodeado a la montaña mágica a lo largo de la historia, historias de brujería, muertes e incluso accidentes aéreos.

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00:00:07This image has a story, and so does the place.

00:00:10It's a place we know well.

00:00:12We have been driving for a long time on that same road or cursed road, as they call it in Chile.

00:00:17But now let's focus on that photograph taken by police officers, the Chilean Carabineros.

00:00:23We are talking, as Siker rightly said, about the A16, that route that goes from Iquique towards the desert.

00:00:30From Atacama, and we are seeing how an accident has occurred involving a truck and a

00:00:36car.

00:00:36We see that there are two corpses, and those two corpses are what the photograph shows us.

00:00:42Not only that, but it seems that the spirit, or so they say, there it is, of one of

00:00:48They are approaching to see their own bodies.

00:00:51Let me give you some background information: six thirty in the morning.

00:00:53They are going to the town of La Tirana because they are municipal office workers who are going to pick up things they have left behind.

00:01:01in that town that was celebrating its festival.

00:01:03A truck passes into the other lane; it was a 29-year-old man driving it.

00:01:09That truck was carrying chemicals and it crashed into the car of these two officials, and they died in the

00:01:15act.

00:01:16When the police arrive at the scene of the accident, they take several photographs, as is usually done in

00:01:22the accidents, and in one of them, upon review, this appears.

00:01:26Apparently, he is identified as one of the victims, Alberto Galleguillo; he will be his companion, and Fernando Guerrero.

00:01:33that in theory, and according to the friends who were also there to see how they could help, it was going

00:01:40dressed in the same way as we see there.

00:01:43And he finds himself staring at his own corpse.

00:01:45That's right. The police officers don't notice anything at all when they're taking the picture, but when they review it

00:01:51They see that there is a kind of figure that seems to be contemplating the corpse.

00:01:56Three specialists have reviewed this photograph, Iker. They say that of course there is no photo retouching or anything like that.

00:02:03resembles him.

00:02:04Nor is he a person who was just wandering around.

00:02:07We know, and often see in the photographs we analyze here, that at the last moment the cameras capture the silhouette of

00:02:14a person who might be passing by at that moment.

00:02:15Well, they completely deny it.

00:02:18And what's more, the strangest thing about all this is that the clothes worn by that supposed ghost perfectly match the

00:02:26victim's clothes,

00:02:27with the person who was right there underneath, covered by a blanket.

00:02:31And it is obtained by the Carabineros, the Chilean police, in a place that has history.

00:02:35It has a history not only of continuous deaths.

00:02:38You may remember when we did several reports in August,

00:02:43We used to drive through that area every day to get deeper into the desert.

00:02:46And our good colleague Pablo Cañarte already stated that the number of accidents was very high.

00:02:54For example, when we were there, a whole truck or bus full of schoolgirls crashed.

00:02:59We saw several accidents.

00:03:00And it's that road of the roadside shrines that we were talking about a few months ago.

00:03:05They are all along the road, with crosses, with children's shoes.

00:03:09It's a road, well, one traversed from end to end by death.

00:03:14There we see those famous buildings because of so many people who have died in this place.

00:03:19What had never happened before is this, this specific photograph that has caused a great commotion in Chile.

00:03:25Well, we have our great colleague Pablo Cañarte there, who also has witnesses.

00:03:30We asked you, Pablo, please, since you know this place perfectly, go there, talk to people.

00:03:35It is true that the friends recognize the dead man in that image, they themselves.

00:03:39Anyway, let them tell us all about it and give us all the details for Cuarto Milenio.

00:03:43This is the story, from the scene of the events.

00:03:46In the middle of the Atacama Desert in Chile, death makes its presence felt in a disturbing way around one of

00:03:52the most dangerous roads in the world.

00:03:54One of the most shocking and violent incidents occurred at this very spot, during the early morning of July 19th.

00:04:01year 2008.

00:04:02On that occasion, Fernando Guerrero Tapia, 50, and Alberto Galleguillos, 43, lost their lives.

00:04:07It was dark, I shine my light and the first thing I see is the truck's body, white, made of wood.

00:04:16And at that moment I start rotating the lens of the lamp and shine it on one, two, three or three

00:04:22meters ahead diagonally from the truck and I see a corpse.

00:04:26That's when it struck me and shocked me that the driver, my friend Alberto, was sitting in the cab.

00:04:41what remained of the cabin, pressed, pressed with its steering wheel.

00:04:47Her little face was nothing like her face; it was as if her skin had been peeled off, her hair standing on end.

00:04:57His little hand was covered in blood, his little hand was swollen, and a piece of his leg was missing.

00:05:05And then I entered a state of panic, of screaming.

00:05:10I have an altar here in the office, I have Jesus, Mary, and I have them both and I

00:05:21I entrust myself to them and I see this face every day.

00:05:25And when I fall asleep, I don't see this face. I see the face, that face I never liked having lived with, and

00:05:36I have it recorded.

00:05:38And I think it's unlikely I'll ever forget it.

00:05:42Two large crosses stand here to mark this tragedy and join the other ten along the bend

00:05:49of death, similar accidents that have occurred here.

00:05:51But less than a month ago, another strange event filled this very place with controversy and mystery.

00:05:58This is a photograph taken by the Carabinieri. It shows police work at the scene, and in the background, a person appears.

00:06:05It is moving away.

00:06:06They say this photograph was taken by a person at the moment, minutes after the accident,

00:06:16He says he is the living, vile reflection or silhouette of Fernando.

00:06:24Obviously, at the time of the accident they don't realize anything, but when they see the photo they are shocked because

00:06:29It's precisely the clothes,

00:06:30Mr. Tapia's clothing and physical appearance.

00:06:35I spoke with the Navy chaplain and asked him about this situation, and he told me that there are people who rebuild

00:06:48to die.

00:06:50There are people who don't want to die, there are people who are so worried that in the event of an accident,

00:06:58It's as if the soul leaves before the impact and the inert body arrives and crashes; there's an accident, it crashes, it dies

00:07:10the body and soul walk outside.

00:07:11I have been told that the police officer who took the photograph behind my back on the day of the accident belonged to his

00:07:18unit

00:07:19And he did it from a mobile phone. These are statements they can't make on camera, but I assure you that

00:07:25in this sector

00:07:26The coincidences, the emotions experienced are very strong, and together with the cameraman, we are overcome by a feeling of profound

00:07:34compassion

00:07:35and to pray for these souls who have lost their lives in this sector.

00:07:39From the Atacama Desert for Cuarto Milenio, Pablo Cañarte and Mario Pardo.

00:07:48The entire Chilean Carabineros and police force, who also have a post very close by, where we were,

00:07:55It maintains the strange identity of the photograph obtained, and the incredible thing is that it's true; that man is a little

00:08:03ethereal,

00:08:04We can even observe that the leg is not fully visible; it appears to be wearing a kind of identical vest.

00:08:11They say the deceased's clothes. But the place is very special, as we're seeing.

00:08:17We are very close, I think 100 meters away, from the Santa Laura saltpeter works, which we talk about so much here in

00:08:21Fourth Millennium.

00:08:22Yes, it's very close to those abandoned nitrate mines, some ghostly mines that you can see from a distance.

00:08:30this road.

00:08:31It must be said that we broadcast a report here about those little chapels that were on both sides of the road

00:08:37And it happened very close to another small chapel, a chapel that also has a lot of history.

00:08:42And as a result, it's generating a lot of buzz, because there have been more appearances.

00:08:47Appearances in which they have even gone so far as to get into cars with testimonies,

00:08:52even from the police lieutenants, from the carabinieri there, here we are seeing one of them.

00:08:58And why? Why am I telling you this story? Because as a result of these events, something else has also come to light...

00:09:03light

00:09:04A very shocking story, the story of Lieutenant Robinson Collado, a young man who lost his life in 2003

00:09:12in this same place, exactly 100 meters away, Iker, from where the truck impacted the

00:09:19car.

00:09:19Well, this young man Collado lost his life there, and it has been published in the newspapers; lately, they have collected the testimony.

00:09:29of a woman who was traveling along that same road, the A16, there he is, the gendarme Collado,

00:09:36While driving along that road, the woman saw a young man hitchhiking.

00:09:40He decided to stop her because she was also very tired; she was almost falling asleep in the car.

00:09:46And that way at least he had someone to talk to and keep him company. The boy told him things about his life,

00:09:51that she had suffered a heartbreak, and that she had also been at a birthday party a few days earlier,

00:09:58Well, they were chatting and he even held her hand.

00:10:02She says that thanks to this boy she didn't fall asleep because she was so tired that she often nodded off.

00:10:09the car

00:10:10And then, since they had also fallen, they arranged to meet the next day for lunch.

00:10:15The girl drops the gendarme off in Iquique, at no point telling him that he is an officer.

00:10:21He does tell her that he works in the gendarmerie, that's true, and when the girl goes the next day, like

00:10:26they had arranged to meet,

00:10:27He shows up at the place where they had arranged to eat, but she arrives very late and then decides to go to

00:10:32look for your job.

00:10:33When you arrive at work, when you arrive at the gendarmerie, ask for him, please, Sublieutenant Collado

00:10:38And they're all stunned, saying, "Well, this is a macabre joke," because he's asking about a person.

00:10:47But they call one of the lieutenants, they call Lieutenant Luis Ibáñez, who knew Collado very well.

00:10:52Luis starts asking him how he's going to look for Lieutenant Collado there,

00:10:57And she tells them the story; well, she's supposed to have lunch with him, but he's very late.

00:11:02and then to decide on their work.

00:11:04It is then that he is told, and is even shown in the newspapers, that this young man died in 2003.

00:11:10She starts to cry because she immediately recognizes her image; she says that's impossible.

00:11:16that he can't be dead because he was talking to her the day before and went up to her

00:11:19car,

00:11:20that can't be true.

00:11:21And that's when it starts to recognize photographs that were in groups,

00:11:25He begins to recognize photographs and tell her personal stories about this boy.

00:11:31The lieutenant has no choice but to believe her, and even the young man's father says it's not true.

00:11:37the first time

00:11:37that a girl approaches him telling him that his son saved her from having an accident.

00:11:43Apparently, and his colleagues also confirm this, this young man often appears on the road

00:11:50when a person is about to have an accident, when they are falling asleep, when they are very tired,

00:11:55and keeps him entertained until he reaches his destination so that the accident never happens.

00:11:59And despite that, the A16 is a cursed road for Chileans themselves because of the accident rate.

00:12:05highest accident rates in the world.

00:12:07Accidents of all kinds, the roadside shrines commemorating him, and the stories told in the different villages about ghosts.

00:12:14Of course, what had never happened before was that, on the one hand, Lieutenant Collado's previous history,

00:12:20And 100 meters away, what has happened now is that it's a Carabineros officer, I repeat, the National Police of Chile,

00:12:24the one who obtained this photograph, and until we know otherwise, until we can give you more information than we can provide.

00:12:29we will give,

00:12:30For now, it's an enigma.

00:12:32His friends have no doubt, it's him.

00:12:35What a story.

00:12:37Now you will understand, when we told you about our experience in the Atacama Desert,

00:12:41of being surrounded by something a little ominous on that road,

00:12:44that we traveled a thousand times, because it was a special path, a different path.

00:12:51What a story, there are many more.

00:12:53Carmen, there's much more important news that you need to know.

00:13:07We begin our weekly chronicle by talking about curious objects, relics.

00:13:11A team from the British Museum has discovered relics of 39 saints in a 12th-century altar.

00:13:18The London Museum has opened a new medieval gallery,

00:13:21where images of saints in stone and wood are displayed, containing these relics.

00:13:26But they were surprised when they opened a small portable altar,

00:13:30where they found several bundles of cloth that wrapped the bones of the saints.

00:13:35Among them all, those of Saint Benedict stand out.

00:13:38And we're talking about another type of relic, this time a zoological one.

00:13:41A scientific research group has discovered a new species of insect in the Sierra Mágina, in Jaén.

00:13:48This is a new species of beetle belonging to the caravid beetle family.

00:13:53According to the Animal Phylogeny and Evolution group at the University of Murcia,

00:13:58This is an important discovery, because this beetle poses the problem of reconstructing its evolutionary history.

00:14:04And we close this first section with, of course, a mummy.

00:14:09In this case, a team of Peruvian archaeologists are the ones who have revealed this elite mummy

00:14:14pre-Inca.

00:14:15The body belongs to a woman in her fifties, whose grave was discovered on the island of San Lorenzo,

00:14:21They also sealed embroidered clothes and two copper vessels with a false head.

00:14:26Next to her were found the remains of two children with battered skulls,

00:14:30This leads specialists to believe that they were ritually sacrificed.

00:14:36Religion, zoology, archaeology, there are always new things.

00:14:39And for new things, check out what's coming next in Unusual World.

00:14:48Look at these images, they're terrible, aren't they?

00:14:51They are an indigenous society that buries their own children while they are still fully alive.

00:14:57Well, don't be alarmed, because it's a short film.

00:15:00A short film made by a group of American missionaries

00:15:04They say that we need to show what is really happening in these indigenous societies.

00:15:10Apparently, these rituals are still practiced.

00:15:14On the other hand, there are pro-indigenous associations that say this only does

00:15:18is to incite hatred towards those communities.

00:15:21And as we've mentioned before, now we're going to Venezuela.

00:15:25and also with a game, the Ouija board.

00:15:28Well, it's a game for some, because for the children of this school that you are watching,

00:15:32The truth is that it's a completely demonic board.

00:15:36Apparently, many students who were using the Ouija board began to suffer severe seizures.

00:15:41and they even said they saw shadows passing by.

00:15:44Now, most kids don't want to go back to those school classrooms.

00:15:49because they say they are haunted, that they are cursed.

00:15:53These images of Santa Muerte will remind you of the Holy Death

00:15:55and the rituals that were performed around this figure.

00:15:59Well, now a Mexican city, in Tamaulipas, has decided to take drastic measures.

00:16:04Police forces have decided to demolish 34 of these chapels dedicated to this strange character.

00:16:11There were figures up to 2 meters tall that were surrounded by candles

00:16:15And the very fervent speakers were beside them

00:16:19performing somewhat strange rituals that the police often could not control.

00:16:24The best thing to do is to cut your losses.

00:16:26And indeed, unusual creatures appear in this DVD, the 11th one already.

00:16:29Tomorrow, Monday, all newsstands in Spain will have the book plus the CD; well, what more can I say?

00:16:34The monster of the deep, the kraken, the enigmatic souls, yetis, huoi,

00:16:42The saetón of Sierra Morena, all that and much more, tomorrow at all newsstands, Cuarto Milenio collection.

00:16:47And, by the way, it's been a long time since we talked about a curious concept,

00:16:50which is the one about supposed miracles.

00:16:53Imagine thousands of people gathering at a specific point in Algeciras in the 1970s.

00:16:59We reviewed and remembered it in the newspaper archives.

00:17:16Alberto Suárez Alba, editor of La Gatota del Norte, in September 1972,

00:17:22Until that date we travel in our own personal time tunnel of the newspaper archives,

00:17:26Well, he wrote a shocking headline,

00:17:28Vicente Rojas, miracles at night.

00:17:31What did he mean?

00:17:33For almost ten days, this legendary newspaper released information in dribs and drabs.

00:17:38It all started in a very humble neighborhood, the Sacred Heart hill on the outskirts of Algeciras.

00:17:43A man, named Vicente Rojas, who worked delivering fish at the fish market in that town,

00:17:49Suddenly he has a kind of apparition; a great truth and a great power are born within him.

00:17:53And on the first day there are 300 people, crammed into a barracks.

00:17:57It seems there are hallucinations, apparitions, and healings.

00:18:00In a short time, no more and no less than 4,000 people.

00:18:04Now they have highlighted the impact in Spain of the famous and celebrated faces of Bélmez,

00:18:08about which, believe it or not, we at Cuarto Milenio haven't said a single word yet.

00:18:13still.

00:18:13But then, before long, there were 10,000 people.

00:18:1810,000 people with all kinds of phenomena and everything started to go wrong.

00:18:22Apparently, the holy man of Algeciras had powers and cured the sick.

00:18:27They were true pilgrimages that reached a mountain on the outskirts of Algeciras,

00:18:33there in a small barrack, which the farmer who owned it also gave to this holy man

00:18:39so that he could make his visits there, that is, his strange healings,

00:18:43because paralytics, blind people, lame people, and people with very serious illnesses were approaching,

00:18:48like leukemia, and everyone said they left there cured.

00:18:52The fact is that things didn't go entirely well for the holy man or the miracle worker, as he was also called.

00:18:58good,

00:18:59because those people who initially claimed to be cured, began to die a few days later.

00:19:05There was even a father who said his son was already completely healed.

00:19:10who got into a fight with the holy man, because his child,

00:19:13After leaving that stable where they held those meetings, he died the next day.

00:19:1910,000 people on the hill, waiting for each healing, a phenomenon that has been little discussed,

00:19:24In the end, they almost lynched Vicente Rojas; we don't know what became of him.

00:19:29But it was one of those phenomena, they say, of collective illusion, of placebo.

00:19:33because people were even trying to leave on foot, a kind of Spanish Lourdes that never became more than that,

00:19:38and which was censored back in October of 1972.

00:19:43Now I want you to see these images, because they are such an important find,

00:19:48that changes history and the concept of humanity.

00:19:51It is 1856, and a researcher from the University of Bonn is approaching the Neander River valley.

00:19:58There appears a strange skull.

00:20:01It looks too strange.

00:20:04It must be a deformed creature, and for a long time it was said that it was a Cossack.

00:20:09who was pursuing Napoleon, and who had rickets,

00:20:12and the pain in his bowed legs made him frown so much,

00:20:17that this kind of, let's say, bone agglomeration had formed.

00:20:23Nothing could be further from the truth, although science didn't know it.

00:20:27It had just been discovered there for the first time in history,

00:20:29the discovery of ancestors, of other human beings.

00:20:34The idea that there was another species that had lived on our land.

00:20:39Thus we enter into the enigma of the Neanderthals.

00:21:06Well, it's time to talk about those beings that coexisted with our species,

00:21:12which many of us may have, but which are very different.

00:21:17So many unknowns surround, for example, his disappearance,

00:21:19whether they could create art, whether they left any trace of that form of expression,

00:21:26If they spoke, it is true that they buried people, that they already had a concept of what death was and its veneration.

00:21:33Well, I think we have a top-notch cast of specialists tonight,

00:21:38and that we're going to enjoy it.

00:21:40And the sole intention is that you, those who are there,

00:21:43Learn more about one of the great stories in history.

00:21:48Let's start with Antonio Rosas,

00:21:51He is a paleobiologist at the National Museum of Natural Sciences,

00:21:55of the Spanish National Research Council,

00:21:57And we also owe him, and his entire team,

00:22:00a surprising discovery that made headlines around the world,

00:22:03which had to do with the blood type of these individuals, the Neanderthals.

00:22:08Antonio, I especially appreciate you being here tonight.

00:22:10Thank you so much.

00:22:11To you. Good night.

00:22:13Just a quick question: why is it so important, for example,

00:22:15For those who don't understand,

00:22:18having finally found the blood type

00:22:20of those individuals who were human, but not like us?

00:22:24People don't quite understand it.

00:22:26It's about learning more and more about biological characteristics.

00:22:31of this missing group.

00:22:32Blood type is just one more characteristic

00:22:35which can also be related to the study of disease resistance.

00:22:40This is the first time a direct connection can be established

00:22:43the genetic component of a fossil species with the possible resistance

00:22:48to certain diseases as occurs in our species.

00:22:51That would be, let's say, the fundamental factor,

00:22:53but it is part of a line of research

00:22:55which ultimately aims to learn more

00:22:58of the biology of this extinct species.

00:23:00Of course, an extinct species, right?

00:23:01That many people have imagined,

00:23:04Because it's very much like a novel, it must be said.

00:23:07Why did they suddenly cease to exist?

00:23:09What happened to them?

00:23:10I have even read theories of cannibalism,

00:23:13annihilation by Homo sapiens,

00:23:15Well, a thousand things.

00:23:16Let's try to find out a little more.

00:23:18We are accompanied, of course, by our good friend,

00:23:20author of a fundamental book that has taught us a great deal,

00:23:22The mind of Homo sapiens.

00:23:24He is Manuel Martín Loeches,

00:23:25professor of cognitive science,

00:23:27Complutense University,

00:23:28great friend of this program.

00:23:29Manuel, welcome.

00:23:30How are you? Good evening.

00:23:31Hey, there's something that interests us a lot,

00:23:33those of us who are currently involved in this issue,

00:23:35And even if it's very briefly,

00:23:37As an introduction, we have already opened the debate,

00:23:40For example, these people

00:23:42They were very similar to us,

00:23:44His brain was quite similar to ours,

00:23:47more than we might believe,

00:23:50And of course, they talked, they even managed to talk.

00:23:53Yes, well, nobody knows that, of course.

00:23:57I think they are candidates to have spoken quite a bit,

00:24:00and something quite similar to how we speak.

00:24:03Let's say, the vocal apparatus, as far as we know,

00:24:06It looked a lot like ours,

00:24:07They could pronounce many of our phonemes,

00:24:11But above all, I think that to speak,

00:24:13What is fundamentally needed is a brain.

00:24:15And the Neanderthal brain was quite large,

00:24:18And I believe they had reached levels of knowledge

00:24:21and fairly high information processing

00:24:23so that I could speak.

00:24:24Language is surely something very old

00:24:26and that precedes the Neanderthals.

00:24:28Well, there's definitely nothing there, right?

00:24:29But it's quite likely.

00:24:30We are joined by another good friend of the program,

00:24:32Director of Science and Technology at the ABC newspaper,

00:24:34José Manuel Nieves, I think everyone knows him.

00:24:36José Manuel, good evening.

00:24:38Hi how are things?

00:24:39We are dealing with a matter of journalistic force,

00:24:42Because it's another factor, brutal.

00:24:44And in Spain we have begun,

00:24:45especially in light of the Tapuerca issue,

00:24:47although it goes further back in time,

00:24:48to have a tremendous interest in human evolution.

00:24:51Within all of human evolution there is, like, a large record,

00:24:54We need to call Neanderthals what they are.

00:24:55TRUE.

00:24:56What has been said about your disappearance, José Manuel?

00:24:58Many things have been said.

00:24:59The first thing I would like to do is make a brief explanation.

00:25:04The reason why Neanderthals surprise us

00:25:09They are a different species from ours.

00:25:13but apparently intelligent,

00:25:15at least in a way similar to how ours is.

00:25:18And that both species,

00:25:19something that studies in recent years have revealed,

00:25:23They did not follow one another in time,

00:25:25but they lived together for a very long period of time,

00:25:28which is probably estimated at tens of thousands of years.

00:25:31In other words, we were there for 10,000 years.

00:25:34But there was another intelligent human species.

00:25:37It is no surprise to anyone that there are many species of beetle,

00:25:40horse meat, crab meat, or whatever,

00:25:43But several human species are just us, we are us.

00:25:47Well, this is the other intelligent species.

00:25:49That's part of the morbid fascination and interest it has.

00:25:52And also the source of many of the problems

00:25:55that Neanderthals have given since they were discovered.

00:25:59They were discovered in 1856

00:26:01And the first thing that science did at that time,

00:26:04Victorian science, we might say,

00:26:06And very much in line with what the Church was saying,

00:26:11Well, it was impossible for there to be any other man.

00:26:13Then they performed real feats of skill.

00:26:15to make those fossils fit together,

00:26:18those first fossils that were found,

00:26:19that didn't fit together at all,

00:26:21to force them into our own species.

00:26:24It was even said of that first Neanderthal man,

00:26:29Neanderthal because it was found in the Neander Valley, in Germany.

00:26:33All sorts of things were said,

00:26:34because it had had its strange shapes

00:26:37This was precisely because he had been sickly as a child,

00:26:39that as an adult he had suffered an impact on his skull

00:26:43which had left him half deformed.

00:26:45Along with other specimens of early Neanderthals,

00:26:47It must be said that they were Cossacks,

00:26:50that they were warriors and that in the arched shape of their legs

00:26:54They were due to a lifetime dedicated to horse riding

00:26:58And then they knew it was the legs...

00:26:59Of course, it was about fitting in somehow within what was known.

00:27:02The thing is, of course, once you have the first ones,

00:27:05Remains began to appear in many other places

00:27:07and they all had those common characteristics.

00:27:10In the end, science proved that it wasn't true.

00:27:12that we too are not descended from Neanderthals,

00:27:14We are cousins.

00:27:15We also need to analyze that creation

00:27:17from our teacher, our own Leonardo Juan Villa,

00:27:21which has brought prehistory closer to us once again

00:27:24and that our filmmakers will be focusing on.

00:27:27Now, I think that Antonio, for example,

00:27:28Tell us the main features of this species

00:27:31so that we can all learn very basic things.

00:27:34But I was talking to you a couple of weeks ago

00:27:36talking a bit about the action of a Jules Verne.

00:27:40It is Manuel Pimentel, as a writer, as an editor,

00:27:44Many people remember him perfectly as the youngest minister in the history of democracy.

00:27:49But above all, Manuel has done an impressive job.

00:27:54Well, he did it in 2000, Peña Laja.

00:27:57I have to be honest, it gave me goosebumps.

00:28:00because everything he said was pure fiction

00:28:02has become a reality

00:28:04And here there are scientists who have somehow continued investigating

00:28:07in Neanderthals.

00:28:10Manuel Pimentel, good evening.

00:28:11Good evening.

00:28:12You wrote this novel,

00:28:14demonstrates that the issue of human evolution

00:28:16suddenly it interests a lot of people.

00:28:19We need to know our roots.

00:28:21We are interested in almost everything that happens in everyday life.

00:28:23and we hardly know who we are.

00:28:25And there are incredible things.

00:28:26For example, companies very interested in DNA.

00:28:29You were describing companies that were a bit Machiavellian.

00:28:32who want to know the DNA,

00:28:34to know him perfectly,

00:28:36deciphering that much-talked-about book, the genome

00:28:38And you were talking about a special interest in Neanderthals.

00:28:41It was pure fiction.

00:28:42And it has become true.

00:28:44Yes, because it has a lot...

00:28:45I continue José Manuel's argument

00:28:47Why is this topic so interesting and of interest?

00:28:49First, it is a part, a scientific component,

00:28:51But it's unsettling.

00:28:52We have coexisted with another species,

00:28:54not with another race, with another species.

00:28:56It's as if gorillas and chimpanzees lived together right now.

00:28:59Cousins, but not different.

00:29:00Or I'm going to tell you something that's a little...

00:29:02I'd go off-script a little,

00:29:03but so that people understand.

00:29:04It's like the movie Planet of the Apes.

00:29:07One species and another, both intelligent, and one dominates.

00:29:10And why is that unsettling?

00:29:11Because deep down, what feeling do we have?

00:29:13Whether it will be true or not, science will tell.

00:29:16But life is a struggle

00:29:18And if we, Homo sapiens sapiens,

00:29:20We are more intelligent than Neanderthals,

00:29:24We weren't going to eat it, we were going to expel it.

00:29:26And why does it worry us?

00:29:27If a species more intelligent than us were to appear,

00:29:30we would be doomed.

00:29:31Which is the thesis used in Planet of the Apes.

00:29:35And that's why I've realized that these two issues from the past

00:29:39mentally they will take us back to the future.

00:29:40And what would happen if a species superior to us appeared?

00:29:43And that's why these scientific topics

00:29:46because they have the full force of science,

00:29:48the beauty of literature

00:29:49and the vocation of a future that worries us.

00:29:53There's little more to add.

00:29:54I believe many questions remain unanswered.

00:29:56that they can all do to us, well, then,

00:29:59to revive an interest in ourselves

00:30:01And now we can open the debate at any time.

00:30:03I'm going to ask the big questions

00:30:04which many people have also told me.

00:30:06Yes, I would like that without any problem.

00:30:08we could in a pleasant conversation

00:30:10to give ideas and knowledge.

00:30:12But first, yes, Antonio,

00:30:14We have there that creation of Juan Villa

00:30:17artistically recreated

00:30:18so that everyone understands

00:30:19And there we see several things

00:30:20that made them different, right?

00:30:23What things would you notice?

00:30:25so that everyone can understand it?

00:30:26Main physical differences

00:30:28between Neanderthals and us?

00:30:30The anatomy of Neanderthals

00:30:32It was different from ours.

00:30:35Subtly different.

00:30:36The first thing is that height

00:30:38and the body composition was different.

00:30:41They were shorter in stature

00:30:42and of wider chests and body in general.

00:30:45They were a composition of the body,

00:30:46a more robust structure than ours.

00:30:49That, and especially the rib cage,

00:30:51which is probably related

00:30:52What I'm saying now is,

00:30:54on the other hand,

00:30:55the head, and especially the face

00:30:57They were different from us.

00:30:59We have the sapiens species,

00:31:01We are sapiens,

00:31:02We have a very peculiar face,

00:31:04very peculiar within the universe

00:31:06And that's what you can say about vertebrates.

00:31:08Because?

00:31:09Because we have a very small face,

00:31:11very small and a very high forehead.

00:31:14In other words, our face,

00:31:15our brain has grown so much

00:31:16which has caused the face to shrink

00:31:19and is located below the forehead.

00:31:21In Neanderthals,

00:31:22although his brain was larger,

00:31:24It was also very big,

00:31:25even bigger than ours,

00:31:27its shape was more elongated

00:31:29and they had a peculiarity

00:31:30What has he done?

00:31:31let's say,

00:31:32to science or to scientists

00:31:33worry for generations,

00:31:35when interpreting

00:31:36Why the face of the Neanderthals,

00:31:39what is technically called

00:31:40midfacial prognathism,

00:31:42that is to say,

00:31:42the middle part of the face

00:31:43It is projected forward.

00:31:45Because?

00:31:46That's one of the big questions

00:31:48of paleoanthropology,

00:31:49the interpretation of why

00:31:51of that face projected forward.

00:31:53Many interpretations,

00:31:55but it's probably in line

00:31:58with this broad body architecture,

00:32:00In short,

00:32:01with a great need

00:32:04to exchange gases,

00:32:06that is, of oxygen,

00:32:07to breathe,

00:32:08needing a lot of oxygen

00:32:10because probably

00:32:11their way of life,

00:32:12their mode of housing

00:32:13was closely related

00:32:14with high levels of physical activity.

00:32:16It also requires a lot of attention,

00:32:17I'm sure everyone will agree.

00:32:18those,

00:32:18I don't know if it's called a bull.

00:32:20Yeah,

00:32:20the supraorbital torus.

00:32:21What are those eyebrows?

00:32:23that bone we have here,

00:32:24absolutely disproportionate

00:32:26compared to us.

00:32:27Compared to us,

00:32:28not compared to others

00:32:29primitive hominids,

00:32:32We're the weird ones.

00:32:33in this case.

00:32:34Because?

00:32:35Because that supraorbital torus,

00:32:36which is very common

00:32:37and developed

00:32:38from the pongids,

00:32:40Well,

00:32:41of the African apes,

00:32:42the most primitive hominids

00:32:44and also the Neanderthals,

00:32:45in this case,

00:32:46in this very particular structure,

00:32:47We're the weird ones,

00:32:49because it has practically disappeared.

00:32:50And now we can ask,

00:32:52Well,

00:32:52with all that physical appearance,

00:32:55the idea that came to us,

00:32:56I don't know if it's more literary

00:32:58or more realistic,

00:32:58many well-known authors

00:33:00like Juan Luis Arzuaga

00:33:01and so many others

00:33:02they speak,

00:33:02For example,

00:33:02of enormous courage.

00:33:04And one who doesn't know

00:33:06says,

00:33:06Well,

00:33:06And how can courage be measured?

00:33:08And apparently that's it.

00:33:09many of these Neanderthals

00:33:10in the deposits

00:33:11They have fractures,

00:33:12They have wounds,

00:33:13It appears they were going into battle

00:33:15with animals

00:33:16with that great courage

00:33:18or be careful,

00:33:19because they were unaware,

00:33:20Antonio mentioned a fact

00:33:21that has left me

00:33:22that the brain could be

00:33:23even bigger

00:33:24than ours,

00:33:25careful,

00:33:25but they didn't know

00:33:27what was the danger,

00:33:28that image of the species

00:33:31bold and brave

00:33:32It has stayed with all of us.

00:33:33What do you think?

00:33:34TRUE?

00:33:35Legend?

00:33:36That's what they say,

00:33:37who were bolder,

00:33:38Well,

00:33:39On one hand there is reality

00:33:40which can be verified

00:33:41that type of weapons

00:33:42that they used

00:33:43it was mainly

00:33:44that one we see there,

00:33:45a javelin,

00:33:46that is to say,

00:33:46It's not something you can throw.

00:33:47but something with which

00:33:48The big beasts attack each other

00:33:49up close

00:33:52And that exposes these beings

00:33:53to situations

00:33:54quite a bit more

00:33:55dangerous

00:33:56of what he could endure

00:33:58well, a kind

00:33:59like ours,

00:33:59No?

00:34:00So, well,

00:34:01on the one hand,

00:34:01let's say,

00:34:02They needed to be bolder.

00:34:03in order to get

00:34:04their food and so on

00:34:06And then it's also true

00:34:07that have been found,

00:34:07have been observed

00:34:08in many deposits,

00:34:09in many remains

00:34:10of Neanderthal

00:34:11who have many fractures

00:34:13produced during their lifetime,

00:34:15consequences during

00:34:15hunting scenes,

00:34:16etc,

00:34:17etc.

00:34:17That's why they say

00:34:17who are bolder.

00:34:19But then there's a theory

00:34:19why they are bolder.

00:34:21Well,

00:34:21It is unknown,

00:34:22But there is one,

00:34:23continuing with the proposal

00:34:24of the working memory,

00:34:25that is to say,

00:34:26of its capacity

00:34:26to keep in mind

00:34:28a certain number

00:34:30of things at once,

00:34:31because they always say

00:34:32that,

00:34:33Well,

00:34:33Neanderthals

00:34:34if they were attending,

00:34:36Let's put it this way,

00:34:36to the hunting scene,

00:34:37to the event

00:34:38that was happening,

00:34:39They didn't go that far,

00:34:41They were not capable

00:34:41to predict many

00:34:43of things

00:34:43that could happen

00:34:44during the hunt,

00:34:45how could it happen

00:34:46in our species,

00:34:47And that's why,

00:34:47perhaps they were exposed

00:34:49some more,

00:34:49in order to get

00:34:50their objectives.

00:34:51Perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration,

00:34:52But it's an interpretation.

00:34:53Man,

00:34:55various authors,

00:34:56Following what you say,

00:34:58what they miss

00:34:59to the Neanderthals,

00:35:00Let's say it's ours

00:35:02symbolic capacity,

00:35:03that is to say,

00:35:04We are capable

00:35:05to represent us,

00:35:05we any human

00:35:06of those that exist now,

00:35:08we are capable

00:35:08to represent us

00:35:10an image of something

00:35:11that we don't have in front of us,

00:35:13that is to say,

00:35:13and even to represent her

00:35:15artistically,

00:35:15that is to say,

00:35:16we are capable

00:35:16of having a mental concept

00:35:18that we do not have present

00:35:19and represent it

00:35:20well graphically,

00:35:21well, inventing writing

00:35:22or in other ways,

00:35:23No?

00:35:24That gives you,

00:35:25along with great social skills,

00:35:27That gives you

00:35:27a great advantage

00:35:28which is to predict

00:35:29the things that are going to happen,

00:35:31that is to say,

00:35:31if you look along

00:35:33of your life

00:35:33first it's hot,

00:35:35Then it gets cold.

00:35:36then it gets hot again

00:35:36and then it gets cold again,

00:35:37in your head

00:35:38who knows how to predict,

00:35:41well you know

00:35:41that after the heat

00:35:42that you're having

00:35:43You're going to be cold today.

00:35:44probably

00:35:44That's a

00:35:46of the differences

00:35:47which played in favor

00:35:48of our own species

00:35:49with respect to theirs

00:35:50And as for bravery

00:35:52And as for the courage,

00:35:54well, obviously

00:35:55the best weapon

00:35:55that they had

00:35:56It was them,

00:35:58We must not forget

00:35:58that occupied

00:35:59the tip

00:36:00of the food pyramid,

00:36:01They were the predators.

00:36:03And they were the kings of Europe,

00:36:04This needs to be made clear,

00:36:05They lived in Europe

00:36:06and they seemed

00:36:06air-conditioned

00:36:07to the harsh climate of Europe.

00:36:09The physical conditions

00:36:10that they have

00:36:11They are not accidental,

00:36:12that is to say,

00:36:13they probably had

00:36:14given his physique

00:36:15a resistance

00:36:15far superior

00:36:16to which we have

00:36:17humans

00:36:18sapiens sapiens,

00:36:19They had a bone structure

00:36:21much harder,

00:36:22that is to say,

00:36:23the skull of a Neanderthal

00:36:24you go after him

00:36:25with a baseball bat

00:36:26and you don't do anything to him,

00:36:27we break down

00:36:28denser the bone,

00:36:29much thicker,

00:36:31the bone masses themselves

00:36:33and therefore

00:36:33muscle masses

00:36:34It can be seen through the anchors

00:36:35that bones have

00:36:37to fit the muscles,

00:36:39They were uncles

00:36:40hard as rocks.

00:36:41Each species

00:36:42in animal life

00:36:43It is self-regulating,

00:36:44the wolf

00:36:45It's very daring.

00:36:45But because he knows

00:36:46as far as it goes,

00:36:47any species

00:36:48predator knows,

00:36:49the imperial eagle

00:36:49or the golden eagle,

00:36:50Therefore, the Neanderthal

00:36:51all the more reason

00:36:52It wouldn't be irresponsible.

00:36:53would hunt depending

00:36:54of their physical capabilities

00:36:55And it wouldn't be irresponsible.

00:36:56The difference is that logically

00:36:57He was a predator

00:36:59until it appeared

00:36:59the super predator

00:37:00that we are

00:37:01And we have to think

00:37:02in principle

00:37:03And that's because I'm a scientist.

00:37:04And you'll be able to say it.

00:37:05But we want to believe

00:37:06that we were

00:37:08as if displacing,

00:37:09as if cornering,

00:37:10There are many theories,

00:37:11I'm going to stick with those.

00:37:12Like I said,

00:37:13I am not a scientist

00:37:13and I don't want to focus

00:37:14in no dogma,

00:37:15Let's consider it good.

00:37:16that we

00:37:16We're cornering him

00:37:17And why us?

00:37:18Antonio said

00:37:19weaker,

00:37:20with a thinner bone

00:37:21that you were pointing to,

00:37:22Why us

00:37:22we are displacing them,

00:37:23if they were stronger,

00:37:24supposedly more daring

00:37:26and the weapons,

00:37:27and the weapons in the background

00:37:28They are the same,

00:37:29because it will be

00:37:29the Acheulean,

00:37:30the Mousterian,

00:37:32the bifao,

00:37:32No,

00:37:33I mean,

00:37:33It was stone and sticks,

00:37:35because?

00:37:35probably

00:37:36for a game

00:37:37and for a social reason,

00:37:39we have

00:37:40more aggressive than them,

00:37:41when,

00:37:42I have the impression,

00:37:43when we see them

00:37:44as very daring,

00:37:45very aggressive,

00:37:47I maintain that we are more

00:37:48and not only

00:37:49we have more possibilities,

00:37:51We are capable

00:37:51to make plans,

00:37:52plans to kill,

00:37:54to kill a mammoth,

00:37:55and probably

00:37:55partner more,

00:37:56like it,

00:37:57partner more,

00:37:58to create another network,

00:37:58I think the plans

00:38:00They could do it too

00:38:01They are doing quite well,

00:38:02just like they do

00:38:02chimpanzees now,

00:38:03they are even capable

00:38:04to have an insight,

00:38:06the wolves,

00:38:06and many mammals,

00:38:08Well, from seeing things

00:38:09with a certain future,

00:38:10even as it has turned out

00:38:11recently in the press,

00:38:12There is a chimpanzee

00:38:13in a zoo in Sweden

00:38:14who throws stones

00:38:15to the visitors

00:38:15and prepares them the day before,

00:38:16that is to say,

00:38:17that there is premeditation

00:38:18even to throw weapons

00:38:20and so on,

00:38:21But that's why

00:38:21What I'm getting at is a bit

00:38:22is that perhaps

00:38:23the differences

00:38:24be more quantitative

00:38:25than qualitative,

00:38:27that is to say,

00:38:27they wouldn't have

00:38:27a different mind,

00:38:29which would have

00:38:29It's a little more limited,

00:38:31of the many aspects

00:38:33that make up the mind

00:38:33or that define the mind,

00:38:36There is one of them

00:38:36in which they

00:38:37They had a certain disadvantage

00:38:38in front of us,

00:38:39which is the capacity

00:38:40to handle more information

00:38:41both,

00:38:42taking into account

00:38:42us in mind

00:38:43we are maintaining,

00:38:44right now,

00:38:45For example,

00:38:45the entire conversation

00:38:46that we carry here

00:38:46We have her in mind,

00:38:47We know what has come out,

00:38:49what has been said,

00:38:49what not

00:38:49and even what can be said,

00:38:51Well,

00:38:51well, out of that entire amount

00:38:52of them could maintain

00:38:53less in mind,

00:38:54That's more or less the idea.

00:38:55but otherwise

00:38:56they could anticipate,

00:38:57They could...

00:38:58I would also like to add

00:38:59a little in a context

00:39:00ecological

00:39:01in the interaction

00:39:02sapiens-neanderthals.

00:39:06Lately there was

00:39:07setting up the stage,

00:39:09the hypothesis,

00:39:10the possibility,

00:39:11very much in line

00:39:12with our times,

00:39:13on the other hand,

00:39:13like everything that has to do with

00:39:14with the Neanderthals,

00:39:15that somehow

00:39:16it is vehicular

00:39:17with what is taken,

00:39:19Regarding the timing,

00:39:20It's climate change.

00:39:21in this case.

00:39:22Because?

00:39:23Because what we are seeing

00:39:25is that the interaction

00:39:26sapiens-neanderthals,

00:39:27first,

00:39:28There were in the territory

00:39:29of what Europe is

00:39:30a coexistence

00:39:3110,000 years,

00:39:32which does not mean

00:39:33than in the same forest

00:39:36sapiens-neanderthals lived,

00:39:38It's not the same

00:39:39than in Romania

00:39:40There would be sapiens

00:39:41and that in the south

00:39:42of the Iberian Peninsula

00:39:43there would have been Neanderthals

00:39:44that could be

00:39:455,000 years

00:39:47without seeing each other's faces,

00:39:48This is important.

00:39:50And then,

00:39:50on the other hand,

00:39:50what we are seeing

00:39:51or is being proposed

00:39:52lately

00:39:52is that the species

00:39:54Neanderthal

00:39:55with that strength,

00:39:56with that capacity

00:39:57let's say physiological,

00:39:58with that diet

00:40:00hypercarnivorous,

00:40:01on the other hand,

00:40:01that also separates it

00:40:02of us,

00:40:04were a species

00:40:04closely linked to the forests

00:40:07and forest hunter.

00:40:09What happens during that time

00:40:11in which coexist

00:40:12Neanderthals and Homo sapiens?

00:40:13That occurs

00:40:14a deterioration of the climate

00:40:15and the forests

00:40:16They are greatly reduced,

00:40:18the steppes were spreading.

00:40:19So,

00:40:20It would be a question

00:40:21more environmentally friendly

00:40:22than direct competition,

00:40:23sapiens,

00:40:24more closely linked to the steppe,

00:40:26to the open space,

00:40:27towards the cold,

00:40:28towards the cold,

00:40:29with all that equipment

00:40:31social and psychological

00:40:32united,

00:40:33Without a doubt,

00:40:34and the Neanderthals

00:40:36more closely linked to the forest,

00:40:37that the forest

00:40:38it is decreasing

00:40:39and they are remaining

00:40:40in redoubts.

00:40:41That is to say,

00:40:42It wouldn't be that much.

00:40:44extinction

00:40:44of the Neanderthals

00:40:45consequence

00:40:46of a competition

00:40:47immediate physical

00:40:49or direct

00:40:49with sapiens,

00:40:50but rather

00:40:52linked to a change

00:40:53general of the planet,

00:40:55confinement

00:40:56or retirement

00:40:57of the Neanderthals

00:40:58to cul-de-sac

00:40:59ecological.

00:41:00The topic is more fashionable

00:41:01that never,

00:41:02as we are seeing it now.

00:41:03I'll take over,

00:41:04firstly because,

00:41:05due to climatic reasons

00:41:06pushed by us,

00:41:08It seems that the last

00:41:10Neanderthals

00:41:11or the bones

00:41:12most recent

00:41:13that have appeared

00:41:13They appear in the south

00:41:14of the Iberian Peninsula,

00:41:15whether it be Murcia

00:41:15or Granada

00:41:16or Hidalgo.

00:41:16It gives the impression,

00:41:17allow me,

00:41:17Manuel,

00:41:18who are almost leaving,

00:41:20towards warmer areas

00:41:22and we had images

00:41:23from the top of the doves

00:41:24in Murcia

00:41:24where it appears

00:41:25in the state of Luis Álvarez

00:41:26remains of those,

00:41:27in quotation marks,

00:41:28It cannot be said,

00:41:29but perhaps one of the last

00:41:30Neanderthals

00:41:31as if turning away.

00:41:32So,

00:41:32I say,

00:41:32They are the last bones,

00:41:33We're talking about 28,000 years

00:41:34of antiquity,

00:41:35But of course,

00:41:36They are the last bones,

00:41:37We don't know if they disappeared

00:41:3828,000 years ago,

00:41:39They were able to live a long time

00:41:39because they found

00:41:40a very difficult bone,

00:41:41It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

00:41:42and they found a bone

00:41:43much more complicated.

00:41:45And having a small

00:41:45literary clip

00:41:46suggestive

00:41:47because there are some texts

00:41:48from Roman chroniclers

00:41:49that define

00:41:50in the mountains

00:41:52from the south of the Iberian Peninsula,

00:41:54even while working

00:41:54semi-slave

00:41:55in the mines

00:41:56of Tarshish,

00:41:57from Huelva,

00:41:58well, some beings

00:41:58low,

00:41:59wide,

00:41:59with the forehead

00:42:00that could be represented

00:42:02in Neanderthal.

00:42:02How long did he live?

00:42:03Until when was it?

00:42:04Could that species have survived?

00:42:06not totally extinguished,

00:42:08but dominated

00:42:09and enslaved?

00:42:10We don't know.

00:42:11We don't know.

00:42:11In principle, it would be very difficult,

00:42:13Initially, remains would appear,

00:42:14But how do I want to introduce it to you?

00:42:16because there are some chronicles

00:42:17that induce,

00:42:18even,

00:42:18I have seen,

00:42:20right now in a museum

00:42:21in the north

00:42:22from the province of Córdoba,

00:42:23some sculptures

00:42:25extremely attractive,

00:42:27ancient,

00:42:273,000,

00:42:274,000 years old

00:42:29that come

00:42:29of the area

00:42:30from the mines of Huelva,

00:42:31that initially defined

00:42:32like Negroids,

00:42:33but they are not Negroid,

00:42:34when I saw it

00:42:34I was watching

00:42:36a Neanderthal,

00:42:36artist's chance,

00:42:38The chronicle is good.

00:42:39what do they do,

00:42:40I'll leave it to you.

00:42:40because we take it for granted

00:42:41that became extinct

00:42:4228,000 years ago

00:42:43And we don't know that.

00:42:44we know we have found

00:42:45bones 28,000 years old

00:42:46of antiquity

00:42:47which are the most modern

00:42:48and probably

00:42:49yes indeed,

00:42:50the last Neanderthals.

00:42:53But we know something else,

00:42:54We know something more.

00:42:55I'm telling you,

00:42:55the chronicle,

00:42:56It's not science,

00:42:57the last ones,

00:42:58let's say,

00:42:58the last remains

00:42:59Neanderthals

00:43:00and also

00:43:01It's true

00:43:02that are getting younger

00:43:04increasingly,

00:43:05as well as

00:43:06in the study

00:43:07of human evolution

00:43:08and paleontology

00:43:09in general,

00:43:10on many occasions

00:43:11find the oldest

00:43:13is,

00:43:14let's say,

00:43:14the prize,

00:43:17so to speak,

00:43:17in the case

00:43:18of the Neanderthals

00:43:19the prize is

00:43:20on the contrary

00:43:20latest.

00:43:21How long did they last?

00:43:22So,

00:43:22the more recent,

00:43:23Of course,

00:43:23closer in time,

00:43:25more unique

00:43:25and more.

00:43:26But it's true

00:43:27that the last Neanderthals

00:43:29more or less

00:43:30well dated

00:43:31are around

00:43:32at 28,000 years

00:43:33and then

00:43:34It's not that there's a void,

00:43:35then we have

00:43:36the entire archaeological record

00:43:37from the Upper Paleolithic,

00:43:39that is to say,

00:43:39It's not that there

00:43:39Registration ends

00:43:41and there is nothing

00:43:41and let's see what we find

00:43:43above those

00:43:44in the sequence

00:43:45of the sequence

00:43:46of the sequence

00:43:46There are no more Neanderthals.

00:43:47There are no more Neanderthals.

00:43:49We can later,

00:43:50indeed,

00:43:50we will not be exempt

00:43:52to discover

00:43:52not only

00:43:53in the south

00:43:54of the Iberian Peninsula,

00:43:55There are other peninsulas

00:43:56in Italy,

00:43:56the Balkans,

00:43:57in Crimea,

00:43:58that is to say,

00:43:58in certain strongholds

00:43:59or even

00:44:01one aspect

00:44:02Also very interesting,

00:44:04one of the last

00:44:04Neanderthals discovered

00:44:05it's practically

00:44:06on the border

00:44:07with China.

00:44:09It wouldn't be surprising.

00:44:11meet

00:44:11the news

00:44:12of the first Chinese Neanderthal.

00:44:14The debate is extremely interesting.

00:44:15and one thing

00:44:15that they will not forgive

00:44:16the spectators

00:44:18And if not, I'll ask you.

00:44:19by...

00:44:20Let's see,

00:44:21appears to be

00:44:21that there

00:44:22a major breakup

00:44:23with all of the above

00:44:24in what is

00:44:25worship

00:44:27to the dead,

00:44:28can say,

00:44:28or the concept

00:44:29of death

00:44:29or from beyond,

00:44:30the burial.

00:44:31There has been a lot of talk.

00:44:31from this.

00:44:32Clear,

00:44:33We all have

00:44:34in the mind

00:44:34those findings

00:44:36pre-Neanderthal

00:44:37of what would be

00:44:38that species

00:44:39that gives rise

00:44:40also to the Neanderthal

00:44:41that are discovered

00:44:42in Atapuerca

00:44:45Impressive remains.

00:44:46They were talking about a summit

00:44:47of the bones

00:44:48where they appeared

00:44:48if I'm not mistaken

00:44:4932 or 31 bodies

00:44:52thrown.

00:44:52But they are much older.

00:44:53those.

00:44:54Clear,

00:44:54That's why I'm telling you,

00:44:54This has been going on for a while.

00:44:55but it seems that

00:44:56the Neanderthal

00:44:57even refines

00:44:58that concept

00:44:59of burying the dead.

00:45:00It's true,

00:45:01to have a concept

00:45:01from beyond

00:45:02that the deceased

00:45:03he was going somewhere else

00:45:04that he had to be honored

00:45:05Because this would be

00:45:06a great...

00:45:07Antonio is working

00:45:08in a deposit also

00:45:09which is an accumulation

00:45:10at least nine,

00:45:11nine of 43,000 years

00:45:14who are all

00:45:14Neanderthals

00:45:15and one of the questions

00:45:15What is done is

00:45:17how they accumulated there.

00:45:19Clear,

00:45:20there is evidence

00:45:21burial.

00:45:23That's clear.

00:45:24And what are they like?

00:45:24the burials,

00:45:25Antonio?

00:45:25What are they like?

00:45:26In France,

00:45:26without going any further.

00:45:28So that people

00:45:28I see them.

00:45:29They are graves.

00:45:30Graves like?

00:45:30In the sense

00:45:31well the skeleton

00:45:32It is complete

00:45:33in a pit

00:45:36on the ground

00:45:38where it is deposited

00:45:39the corpse

00:45:40and it appears complete.

00:45:41In some cases

00:45:42it is interpreted,

00:45:43Here we take a step forward

00:45:44to the interpretation,

00:45:45in which there are elements

00:45:47in which objects appear

00:45:49that have been

00:45:49placed as a form of worship

00:45:51or what we understand

00:45:52even flowers,

00:45:53I was telling you.

00:45:54Trousseaus.

00:45:54There are orchards

00:45:55that was covered

00:45:57of flowers.

00:45:58Flowers?

00:45:58That is.

00:45:59There's a lot of pollen.

00:46:00The interpretation

00:46:00They appear...

00:46:01It's spectacular.

00:46:02Is it just a coincidence?

00:46:03or not.

00:46:03A lot of pollen appears.

00:46:04It's not that it appears

00:46:05fossil flowers.

00:46:07A lot of pollen appears.

00:46:09Which gives you an idea.

00:46:09A proportion

00:46:10very high

00:46:11of pollen.

00:46:11From pollen

00:46:12of a certain flower.

00:46:13I mean,

00:46:13as if I were

00:46:14in a concept

00:46:14that evidently

00:46:15the one who was there

00:46:16I wasn't going to live any longer

00:46:17and was going somewhere else.

00:46:18Imagine yourself on land

00:46:18You shower her with praise.

00:46:20That's very human.

00:46:21It's spectacular goat meat.

00:46:22That is to say,

00:46:22There are offerings.

00:46:24What we would interpret

00:46:25under our coordinates

00:46:27as offerings.

00:46:29So,

00:46:29Yes, it seems so.

00:46:31Neanderthals

00:46:32They are, let's say,

00:46:33surrounded

00:46:34of a symbolic universe

00:46:35in which

00:46:36death

00:46:38It is part of, let's say,

00:46:39of a universe

00:46:40of thought.

00:46:42I dare say

00:46:43little more.

00:46:44We can play

00:46:46with words,

00:46:47with the ideas

00:46:47and combine them.

00:46:48But indeed

00:46:49Neanderthals

00:46:51They already present

00:46:51the action

00:46:52to bury

00:46:53which is new.

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00:47:43In the recreations we've done, and which you're seeing in fragments, which are not a film,

00:47:47It is the work of the Cuarto Milenio team, and in this case, headed by our director Fernando Ribes.

00:47:52There they are, they could be, in quotes, the last Neanderthals, who knows if in Andalusia, in the area of the

00:47:58peak of the doves,

00:47:59We imagined it that way, but speaking of imitation, some say they already see a Homo sapiens,

00:48:06If he happens to see that conjunction, that encounter that must have been tremendous, which he paints, even on outer coats,

00:48:14His drawing and engraving skills had to be impressive. Having practically just arrived from France,

00:48:20some great specialists, directors of very important caves, such as the NIO cave,

00:48:24They were telling us, let's see what you think about this, that these people managed to leave behind an art form,

00:48:29I don't know if it was unknown or miscategorized, but they were capable of making art.

00:48:32Other specialists believe that they were incapable, due to their mental state, of making drawings.

00:48:37which is also another leap, that now it seems very easy to make a drawing,

00:48:40But of course, three lines meaning bison is a leap.

00:48:42What do you think? Do you believe there is Neanderthal art? That these people left us something that hasn't been properly studied?

00:48:47It depends a bit, perhaps, on what we understand by art, doesn't it?

00:48:51I know, for example, that teaching a chimpanzee to simply try to draw a line is very complicated.

00:48:56Then, really, what you're saying, as you say it, very good, right?

00:48:59Drawing something so simple isn't so easy.

00:49:01It is symbolic capacity.

00:49:03However, in the lithic industry, stone weapons did have a fairly advanced level of perfection, didn't they?

00:49:08That is to say, therefore, something...

00:49:09The criterion is utilitarian.

00:49:10Interesting too.

00:49:11The criterion is to say, this is like when they tell a sculptor what a beautiful sculpture he has made.

00:49:16I said, no, no, it was simply a block of stone and I removed everything that was engraved on it, right?

00:49:19In other words, I had seen it.

00:49:21The Neanderthal making a weapon is looking at it, huh?

00:49:23He sees a block of stone and is looking at the weapon.

00:49:24But that means, Manuel, an already interesting mind, doesn't it?

00:49:28That it might be able to record other things.

00:49:30They will know, but certainly, a certain symbolic capacity is seen in the weapon, because it is already a sophisticated weapon.

00:49:35But that's like, for example, both Neanderthals and us, wherever we are in our evolutionary history, having ancestors.

00:49:41common.

00:49:42And in those common ancestors...

00:49:43Sorry, the same clothes. I'm looking right now.

00:49:45They have to tie her up.

00:49:47They have a...

00:49:47Yes, yes, yes.

00:49:48Whether utilitarian or not, they have to have...

00:49:50We have common ancestors.

00:49:51And from those common ancestors, in just a second, their abilities and ours emerge.

00:49:58In other words, it's logical that, even if they haven't, perhaps, slit their throats...

00:50:01But therefore, there is a great elegy in the art world which is that many specialists say that

00:50:06They weren't doing anything, and they could have done something, right?

00:50:09Even if it was very rudimentary.

00:50:10I think there are two, two, of course.

00:50:14Currently, I believe that in a generalized or official way, or whatever we want to call it, art is not recognized in the

00:50:20universe of the Neanderthals.

00:50:21In fact, I would venture to say that, let's say, in the new wave of considering Neanderthals as the antithesis

00:50:29of those brutish, somewhat clumsy beings, such...

00:50:33Let's say, in this pendulum swing we're in right now, and in which we see them, in a way,

00:50:39Conceptually, almost the same as us, anatomically, right?

00:50:42Perhaps the only threshold, to truly leap into humanity as we understand it within ourselves, is the

00:50:49art.

00:50:50It is not recognized.

00:50:51But I would like to say that I have been fortunate enough to see the remains directly, specifically from Ukraine,

00:51:00where, when the archaeologist showed them to me, he had discovered them; I, in my ignorance, from an artistic point of view,

00:51:06I said, if this isn't art, what is it?

00:51:08Because there were some engravings on bone here that, indeed, reminded me simply of...

00:51:15Obviously not the running lions that appear in the southern caves in Sobé, let's say, those extraordinary figures, right?

00:51:24But in light of that, that is, where is the threshold?

00:51:27And were they animals?

00:51:28No, no, no, it was more abstract, they were engravings, they were lattices.

00:51:32Did they have decorations?

00:51:33Interesting.

00:51:33They did have decorations, yes.

00:51:34Isn't decoration an art?

00:51:35Decoration is an art.

00:51:37Is that why they adorn themselves?

00:51:38Very recently...

00:51:39Is there an ornament? What are we talking about?

00:51:41Of course, it has been discovered very recently, and also...

00:51:44Necklaces, right? There's been a lot of talk about it.

00:51:45And that's not art.

00:51:46And body decoration.

00:51:48Clear.

00:51:49Body decoration?

00:51:50Yes, pigments, it is interpreted, what appear are bars of oxides, iron oxides, manganese oxides, with high concentration.

00:52:00Look, an ornament that signifies either embellishment, is very classic and feminine, or power, or a symbol of power, okay?

00:52:06The collars, the Order of the Golden Fleece that we continue to make, the military stripes, the ornamentation has a symbolism of either power or

00:52:13Attraction, isn't it?

00:52:14If they had it, they had that symbolism.

00:52:16Clear.

00:52:17I categorize it as art.

00:52:19The Sidrón, findings, blood type, and there are people who were talking and now suddenly the press, the site, has given

00:52:29a surprise, not a surprise, a reality that has been spread throughout the world.

00:52:33We know something more about those people, and it has been said, and many people have asked us about it, why

00:52:38hybridization.

00:52:40I don't know if it's a myth, it persisted for a while.

00:52:42What do you think?

00:52:43Well, my opinion in this case is clear.

00:52:47I would say, from my particular position and from the academic environment in which I move at a national and international level,

00:52:56And I would also say that in 98% of the opinion of specialists, the opinion is that there was no hybridization.

00:53:03It is true that there are authors of recognized prestige among all specialists who argue that there was a certain hybridization in

00:53:12to a greater or lesser degree, and that this genetic influence has diminished over time and probably has not

00:53:17reached us.

00:53:17That's one of the arguments they make, why didn't we detect it?

00:53:21Because it hasn't reached us.

00:53:23Because of the coexistence over such a long period of time, no one can say there weren't encounters, even sexual ones, but it may be

00:53:29pass as...

00:53:30The mules.

00:53:31Exactly.

00:53:32And infertile viruses.

00:53:34Because, of course, the walls come out, the center is a donkey and a horse is a mule that cannot be produced.

00:53:41Because what we can also affirm, at least some of us do, is that Neanderthals and Sapiens were different, we are different,

00:53:49They were of a different species than ours.

00:53:51That is, we call ourselves Homo Sapiens and formally we now call Neanderthals Homo Neanderthalensis, as a distinct species.

00:54:00And I would also like to add another piece of information, apart from this, which is very interesting, in case we need it.

00:54:04escape.

00:54:04Now, there were two humanities living, not just two, we know the Neanderthals and Sapiens, but approximately 50,000

00:54:14Years, or even less, on planet Earth there were up to four species living, four human species.

00:54:19Four humanities, you said it the way that...

00:54:21Four humanities, which are Sapiens, Neanderthals, Erectus and the newly discovered Floresiensis.

00:54:27In other words, if we draw a timeline back approximately 50,000 years, we find that in the

00:54:34Planet Earth was inhabited by four distinct humanities.

00:54:37A phenomenon that, until now, seems to us simply, we still don't know, we still don't quite know how to place.

00:54:44It's a real shame to have to cut it short here, there's no more time, we really enjoyed ourselves with people from

00:54:50your size and above all, and this is important, not only on a scientific or literary level, but also on a popular science level, that

00:54:58That's important, so that we have a group of ideas.

00:55:01And as we always say, there are always books here, so people should investigate now, keep searching, pay close attention.

00:55:06According to the news, he's seeing news daily about this that mixes cloning, DNA, research, blood types, Neanderthals, and our

00:55:15our own history, our roots in the Earth.

00:55:17It has been a true pleasure, Antonio, José Manuel, Manuel and Manuel, it has been a true pleasure and an honor to have you.

00:55:24here.

00:55:24It won't be the last time, because I think the enigmas of ourselves are the most interesting, and there's no room for...

00:55:31the slightest doubt.

00:55:31Thanks to the four of you, it's been a real pleasure, and what do you think if, well, with something almost epic?

00:55:36Or poetic, isn't it?

00:55:37We see again those last Neanderthals running through their forests, forests that perhaps also ended like them, disappeared, and

00:55:44that we like to imagine as a bold and brave species.

00:55:48There they are.

00:56:20An old tradition tells

00:56:21shared by all cultures of the Earth, that respect must be shown for the things of the dead, more

00:56:30even with those of the very ancient dead.

00:56:34That's what this diary of fear is about; the protagonist, the one you see here, is a figurine of a remote deity and

00:56:43terrible.

00:56:44Esmit Cantecutli, God of the underworld, guardian of the afterlife, also God of the dead, who do not rest.

00:56:54His last appearance was spectacular.

00:56:57A baked clay sculpture, like this one, appeared in the subsoil of Mexico City, almost right in the main square.

00:57:04in the heart of the real and energy hub of that populous city.

00:57:09One detail, and I want to imagine the faces, the impression, please imagine, of the two archaeologists who discover

00:57:16a kind of cavity, they go in, and in a small chamber they find these people looking at them.

00:57:22With a darkness of centuries, that smile, those eyes covered by a kind of skin film, those powerful claws

00:57:30of an animal, that liver emerging from its own ribs, that famished feeling of being truly demonic.

00:57:39One detail, moreover, was that everything was surrounded by a circle of human skulls, children's skulls.

00:57:47Who knows what offerings were made, in that depth, to the God who always demanded more blood, Mitcantecutli?

00:57:57Well, this story that we have recreated in the diaries of fear, at its core, wants to tell us about that ancestral respect,

00:58:05about when it breaks and what can happen.

00:58:09What better presenter? The strange and erotic, otherworldly smile of Mitcantecutli, guardian of the gates of hell.

00:58:21What better presenter?

00:58:56Pazhena Truth

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01:04:58I'm sorry

01:05:04Please, we already spoke

01:05:06I'm sorry for what I said to you.

01:05:09Who are you?

01:05:14Do you know that's not me, please?

01:05:20What do you want?

01:05:28Lucia! Lucia! Lucia! Open up! Lucia!

01:05:35Lucia! Lucia, what's wrong? Lucia!

01:05:40Lucia!

01:05:56Lucia!

01:05:59Lucia!

01:06:11Lucia!

01:06:31No, no, no, no, no.

01:06:46No!

01:07:21No, no, no.

01:07:50No, no, no.

01:08:13This, unfortunately, is not our usual prop; it belongs to, it is a fragment of sheet metal from the fuselage of one of the

01:08:20Many small planes and airplanes crashed on a very special mountain, Moncayo.

01:08:28Narrated from the oldest chronicles of Hispania, considered an old and sometimes, it must be said, furious God.

01:08:36I invite you to come with us, to put on your boots along with our colleague Juanje Vallejo and

01:08:42climb through the perpetual snows of this place.

01:08:44There is a lot of history, a lot of wisdom, a lot of witchcraft, and some speak of ancient curses.

01:08:49Let's find out what's real. Let's begin our unusual expedition to Moncayo.

01:08:58Old God.

01:09:01Adored for thousands of years for its imposing figure, Moncayo has always been a mountain full of enigmas.

01:09:08and secrets.

01:09:10Feared for its weather and for an uncontrollable fury that accompanies it and punishes men,

01:09:16It was used as a natural border between the kingdoms of Castile and Aragon.

01:09:21Hundreds of legends have accompanied him since time immemorial.

01:09:26For the ancient peoples he was like a god, as you rightly say, he was like a great totem.

01:09:31But from then on, other traditions also begin to speak of witchcraft, of sorcery.

01:09:36All of this was also based on the plants that the mountain itself provided.

01:09:39The Moncayo region is very rich in medicinal plants.

01:09:41Then from there the stories of the witches begin to unfold.

01:09:57The towns and villages surrounding this sacred mountain are full of traditions and stories

01:10:04that immerse us in the world of the dark magic of witches.

01:10:08But the stories we're talking about are much more than just a legend.

01:10:13These are proven and documented facts that take us back to a not-so-distant time.

01:10:18In which women, outcasts of a society that did not understand them, were bearers of secrets forbidden to the rest of

01:10:26men.

01:10:26These are witches who are documented, whose existence is known and about whom there is documentation.

01:10:32There's Dorotea, Aunt Casca, and Galga.

01:10:34They all have a story, and that story is documented.

01:10:38And it is known that Trasmoz was a town of witchcraft.

01:10:41Trasmoz was a town where witches' sabbaths were held.

01:10:43Trasmoz was a town where people from all over Moncayo went for these healing rituals.

01:10:48That's why Trasmoz also has that halo.

01:10:52It also has a castle where it is said that counterfeit coins were minted.

01:10:56And that the owner of the castle himself also created a series of legends around the town

01:11:01so that no one would approach and discover him.

01:11:04So that Trasmoz would be the cursed town and everyone would be afraid to go there.

01:11:08There was a love-hate relationship.

01:11:09These witches, at least those we have located in this area,

01:11:13They were women between 30 and 60 years old, but they were either widows or single women, without children.

01:11:19or that they had some kind of social problem.

01:11:22So they brought together some, let's say, of those hatreds and sometimes of those needs of society.

01:11:29The trace of paganism is associated with Moncayo and the surrounding towns,

01:11:34like an imprint between the magical and the mysterious.

01:11:38Thus, it has recently been discovered that in tiny churches like the one in Trébago,

01:11:44Light effects associated with the solstices can be observed.

01:11:48On Christmas Day, when Mass ends, we see the painting of Saint Raymond Nonnatus,

01:11:56which is a painting in which Saint Raymond appears being crowned by the Virgin with a crown of flowers

01:12:04and by Jesus with a crown of thorns,

01:12:06His head lights up right at 12 noon.

01:12:13But if Moncayo has been in the news in recent decades,

01:12:16It wasn't because of their witches or pagan rituals,

01:12:20but because of the continuous plane crashes that have occurred there.

01:12:24The thing is, since we were carrying the weight of the climb,

01:12:29because of what we had with the stick and we were afraid that we might have found some more remains there.

01:12:35Yes, the helmet had a bullet hole and there was blood inside the helmet.

01:12:46It's the middle of winter and climbing Moncayo is not recommended.

01:12:52But we risked walking along its steep banks,

01:12:55with the intention of filming some of the wreckage of crashed planes.

01:13:00The mountaineers in the area have advised us that the moment we can no longer see the ground that lies ahead

01:13:05beneath our feet,

01:13:06Let's turn around.

01:13:08Ice sheets and snow-covered peaks are death traps.

01:13:14The walk is tough, but we finally get our reward.

01:13:19When Moncayo gets angry, man trembles.

01:13:23Thousands of years ago, witches and sorcerers came here to perform all kinds of rituals,

01:13:29thinking that in this way they would appease the wrath of this mountain,

01:13:32capable of producing terrible storms.

01:13:35The truth is that a lot of time has passed since then.

01:13:38However, this place continues to exact its toll, in this case in the form of human lives.

01:13:45To achieve this, this exhibition, after walking through the mountains for a little over three hours,

01:13:50We have found some of the remains of small planes that crashed here.

01:13:55American planes have also crashed here, in this place.

01:13:59Moncayo, a mountain that remains cursed and treacherous for some.

01:14:06Three days after we climbed the mountain, it decided to claim its last two victims.

01:14:12Pablo Domínguez, a 42-year-old priest, and Sara Rosalía, a 37-year-old woman.

01:14:19They ignored the experts' advice and dared to walk through its treacherous snow.

01:14:25The fury of this giant has caused both mountaineers and countless pilots to...

01:14:31may have ended their lives in the place we now stand on.

01:14:36For example, the Phantom that crashed on Moncayo in 1980, because this was an aircraft

01:14:41which, one of only 24 Phantoms that were flying in the Australian Royal Forces.

01:14:51The Phantom, sorry, the Phantom, the F-100 that crashed in Moncayo, well, this one is very curious

01:14:56because it is one of the devices, perhaps in Spain, from which the most remains can be found in a mountain.

01:15:02There was another reason as well: in the 1970s and 1980s, navigation charts

01:15:08They were giving Moncayo 100 meters less, and that may also explain some of the accidents

01:15:13There have been instances where planes have literally crashed into the summit.

01:15:18So, that's one of the reasons. Another reason is the climate of Moncayo.

01:15:23It has always been said that Moncayo is one of the areas where it is most difficult to predict the weather.

01:15:29Lives that the great giant swallowed with his implacable anger.

01:15:33And this mountain, magical for some and cursed for many,

01:15:39I'm sure that in the coming years it will continue to provide us with countless mysteries and tragedies.

01:16:03And we now embark on this final leg of today's journey of the mystery ship with a surprising photo,

01:16:09even the attire of whatever appears, whatever it may be.

01:16:12Xavier Garriga obtained it in Badalona.

01:16:16So let's look at that picture of a family meal, just as our sender told us.

01:16:23There we see that they are at a celebration, we see how the table was set,

01:16:27and what we should be looking at.

01:16:29The first thing you see is the flash of that light, right?, which is reflecting precisely on that glass.

01:16:34But then we should focus precisely on this part.

01:16:39I'm going to move.

01:16:42We drag.

01:16:42Let's drag it to put it in the center of the image.

01:16:45There it is.

01:16:46Like a man in a white jacket.

01:16:48Like a man in a white jacket, and you can even see the black bow tie he's wearing around his neck.

01:16:53Let's see if we can illuminate it.

01:16:55There we have it.

01:16:57Do you see it?

01:16:57Even I think he has a mustache.

01:17:00I don't know, at least, that's the feeling I get.

01:17:03Let's see.

01:17:03Let's look at more images that Guillermo León has shown us in these analyses.

01:17:09Look.

01:17:10You could see it perfectly here, right?

01:17:13Guillermo León completely rules out that it's television, which, as we've seen before...

01:17:18What could we think, the reflection in the glass.

01:17:20That is.

01:17:20The only possibility it gives us is that behind the window, behind that glass, there was a physical person.

01:17:26But of course, this is a high floor.

01:17:28Who could have been there?

01:17:29That's not appropriate either.

01:17:30No.

01:17:30Anyway, if anyone knows anything, it's really one of the clearest.

01:17:35Let's go to Lourdes.

01:17:36We were talking about Algeciras and its failed miracles in 1972 and we mentioned Lourdes.

01:17:41Julio Alberto Camacho was there.

01:17:44And well, I don't know if this is angelic or a little ghostly.

01:17:49Actually, it was the mother of this boy who was writing to us.

01:17:54I was visiting the sanctuary of Lourdes, you know, where those Marian apparitions took place in France.

01:18:01She says she was putting the camera in her bag and accidentally took a picture.

01:18:06And this is what came out, precisely.

01:18:10The place where it is already makes us think of that virgin, doesn't it?

01:18:14That appeared to the girl at the beginning of the 20th century.

01:18:18But, Iker, there's an explanation here.

01:18:21We must understand that in these sanctuaries there are always nuns who are dressed, some of them in their habits, according to

01:18:28whichever order they belong to.

01:18:30I'm going to expand on it.

01:18:31Because, you see, it will soon become clear that it is a physical person.

01:18:35Look.

01:18:37Let's see if I can center this image.

01:18:39See?

01:18:41She wears what appears to be a habit, but inside there is a woman's face.

01:18:45A face that, according to Guillermo León, is that of a nun, a religious woman, a real person who truly was

01:18:52over there.

01:18:53The movement by the camera, Iker, has made it look that way.

01:18:56That the whole face becomes deformed.

01:18:57That is.

01:18:57Put it in negative for a moment, because it's quite spectacular, even.

01:19:00Let's see it.

01:19:01Let's take a look.

01:19:03What ghostly dimension do the photos reach when we move them to this other area, of light and shadow?

01:19:11Look, look.

01:19:12That's where we're moving.

01:19:13And this would be the face with the hood.

01:19:15And this, then, would be the body with the habit.

01:19:17My God.

01:19:19Two fundamental contact methods.

01:19:20If you've had scares of this magnitude.

01:19:22Two ways to contact.

01:19:23Via email, cuartomilenio.com.

01:19:26And the post office box, 18189, with the postal code 28080 of Madrid.

01:19:33And we will continue with dreams, with experiences, with a lot of things that we continue to analyze.

01:19:37Your information is essential.

01:19:38And I, especially, am pleased with tonight's program, with top-level national and international figures, in the

01:19:45science of the mind, in the science of criminology, in the science of evolution.

01:19:49Ultimately, it's about sharing scientific matters, making them accessible, and demonstrating that, in almost everything, why not say it?

01:19:57In everything we know, this threshold of mystery.

01:20:00And that interests us and them, which is what's important.

01:20:03In seven days, we will continue traveling with our mystery ship.

01:20:06We look forward to seeing you.

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