00:01three o'clock good to have you with us turn our attention to the Pistons and I think we all
00:06have
00:06um how do I put this we we have all kind of emotionally cleared the decks I mean I'm still
00:14angry at this team I still resent their performance in this series um but I hinted at this yesterday
00:24I can't write them off and I know what the historical odds say is you've got a five percent
00:31shot of getting this done and overcoming a 3-1 deficit I think it's much higher than that
00:36I was willing to go 25 and I have reasons now it's going to be fun is I brought this
00:41up to David
00:42pre-show and I didn't even finish the sentence before David was just like no no no so we can
00:49we can alternate our points or we can just present our case but I want to give you a five
00:55point reason of hope that while they are certainly not favored to do so I don't think they're done
01:04and it would not shock me it would surprise me but it wouldn't shock me if they came back to
01:10win this
01:10thing so how do you want to do this and we'll go through it and I'm willing to be called
01:16an idiot I
01:16don't care yeah I don't think you'll be called an idiot Mike uh you're talking just tonight or the
01:22whole thing I mean winning this series the whole thing coming back from 3-1 and so to duplicate what
01:27they did in what 2004 three three yeah yeah pretty much so I can give you the reasons and then
01:34David
01:34can shoot them down if he likes you want to go that way yeah okay because I I have one
01:39reason why
01:40I'm I'm team Mike for this but I truly understand what David is coming okay so I'll run you through
01:46it
01:46it begins on basis Orlando's not that good and Orlando's not playing that well when I watch the
01:55games you are talking about a team in Orlando who runs very little offense they take an incredible
02:02insane amount of terrible shots and they are not a good shooting team they are not playing that well
02:08I mean just look at last game on Monday night Suggs and Boncaro combined to go five for 31
02:14are you kidding me like I just feel like I'm not going to allow people to use copium and turn
02:22Orlando
02:23into some great team they're not so that's one two the Wagner injury materially changes the series
02:33okay he's their second best player even in an injury shortened game Rico he had 17 for them
02:42number those tough driving baskets uh you don't even know how he gets the ball to the rim because
02:48it looks like he's sealed off but without Wagner you're talking about role players assuming that
02:55and and and that is their advantage remember Wagner has really taken a lot of starch out of Cade I
03:01was
03:01about to say the defense on Cade especially in the fourth that's not available yeah and now they don't
03:07have the unicorn offense where if a sore is going to take somebody we're going to go get the other
03:13this will now allow a sore to simply take someone out of the play and Boncaro has not had some
03:20highly
03:21efficient series he went four of 18 he shot a lot of free throws so again Wagner being out materially
03:27changes the series he won't play tonight and you show me a cap strain I need to see him play
03:34before I
03:34believe he'll be back so that's two three is probably not nuanced but I I mean that you can't
03:43play worse than you've played you can't I don't think a worse version of this Pistons team exists
03:49specific to Monday night you cannot play worse if I designed a game in a lab and I said this
03:57right here
03:57is the gold standard of suck this is the worst game you'll ever play they played it Cade more turnovers
04:04and made baskets check uh the team going six for 30 from deep check making two shots outside the
04:11paint in the second half of a playoff game check like Rico they can't play worse than that gotta
04:17believe there's some positive regression the fourth two of these three games are going to be at LCA
04:24and why is that important not Mason it's important because home games elevate your role players or as
04:32Charles and Shaq always say the others your role players are going to step up Orlando's role players
04:39are likely to shrink two of the three are here and the last one it's not that you have the
04:46best player
04:47in the series we always like to factor in Vegas so I just looked and I went geez I kind
04:53of believe
04:54the Pistons have a shot to do this and I I would kind of be spiteful about them doing it
04:58but fine
04:59I said let me go see in the name of greater life church on tireman avenue what would betting the
05:06Pistons to win the series be would surely have to be lucrative no it is not they are only plus
05:14200
05:15to come back from a 3-1 deficit came down it was plus 230 last night plus 200 okay so
05:21those are my
05:22five reasons if you want to say Nona's been mixing up her meds again you can do that but as
05:29angry as I
05:30am at this team as angry as I am at the deadline or all the nonsense I've dealt with with
05:35piston fans
05:35all year the bottom line is I haven't written you off I'm offering you five reasons I can't just say
05:42it's over you could tell me do you buy one two three four five maybe by zero but recall I
05:48appreciate
05:48you letting me lay those out the floor is yours you know what Mike after listening I took notes over
05:53here oh dear here's the chair David I I would say this I will give you one and a half
05:59of those reasons
06:01I'll give you the Wagner reason that he's not there and I think that's going to absolutely change the
06:08series without him because it's the way it's going now if I'm Orlando you may have to set him on
06:14ice
06:15until Sunday of game seven and and and hoping that you can you know eliminate the pistons in
06:23either game five or game six and you don't need him I'll give you that because I do think that
06:28that's
06:28key Orlando number one Orlando not being very good what does that say about Detroit because they're up
06:363-1 and they're not playing very good so what does that mean what is Detroit playing if Orlando stinks
06:42then what are you you're the you're the garbage juice water oh boy that's what you are if Orlando
06:50stinks now Detroit can't play any worse that kind of goes with that because yeah they kind of have
06:58could they play worse yeah because you're counting on a lot of the others to to step up and do
07:03things
07:03and there's a reason why they're called others and they're not called stars and the two of three at
07:09LCA normally I would give you that except you've already lost a game to Orlando noted at LCA so it
07:16is not like this is a the crowd's gonna be there but it ain't like this is a snake trap
07:20where you're
07:21like oh well you know what you just don't win there Vegas thing I think is objective Vegas doesn't care
07:29either way but the fact that the pistons aren't just gigantic underdog does tell me Vegas kind of
07:35feels like I do that your second thing of Wagner that right that's spot on the other ones uh not
07:43so that's okay Rico I there's I'm not taking any but you're not on crack no you know but it's
07:49well
07:49thought out but that's just me because I would say it's the Wagner thing that could flip this series
07:54because I don't know because as the series goes on longer and longer Mike more pressure is going to
08:02be in Orlando to try to close this thing out and the pistons are just kind of like well YOLO
08:06whatever happens happens go ahead David yeah uh your co-counsel here wants to uh just add a few
08:13things to the argument here and just three numbers I'll give you the number six and I'll give you the
08:20number nine okay the number six nine meaning stop sign no oh no uh six is oh six point eight
08:30actually
08:30is the uh turnovers that Cade is averaging in this series and what happens in the fourth quarter is
08:36he's had a few of those the fourth quarter in key moments last game I believe we were either tied
08:42or
08:42down to key possession and then he turns the ball over this is less than five minutes left in that
08:47game
08:48uh that can't happen if you expect to win the number nine no it is it's not for stop sign
08:57this time
08:58it is for Jalen Duren averaging rebounds it's about nine he hasn't had I'm sorry it's actually eight I'm
09:07sorry he hasn't had a double digit rebound game yet in this series and I don't expect him to get
09:13one
09:14and then the other number the third final number is four point four that is a success rate thank you
09:20to
09:20Kenny Codd on the research here that is a success rate went down three one in the best of seven
09:26in the
09:26NBA history and it hasn't happened in half a decade I know I don't see it happening anymore I don't
09:34like the
09:34way the Pistons look I think it's over in fact I want it to be over are you team Mike
09:39or team David now you've
09:40hit on something different I did it there do you want it to be over yes I do not want
09:49to watch this
09:50anymore it ceases to entertain but I'm talking about what I think will happen look I am not in a
09:58position
09:59to tell you they're going to do this I'm simply saying I can't say that it's impossible or that it's
10:05not going to happen and that I have no hope I I want to know what side you guys are
10:09on as a piston
10:11fan do you think they're done do you think it's a formality it's over or are you like me and
10:18maybe
10:18you don't agree with all of my reasons maybe you have different reasons but you are like look I know
10:24it looks bleak but they can do this I do believe they can do this I don't believe in Orlando
10:30I don't
10:31believe Orlando can close you out I thought they'd break your balls but I don't think Orlando's
10:37playing a high level of basketball certainly not offensively Rico's right well then what does that
10:43make you I know that's how horrific you've been um I just I want to know whose side you're on
10:50but the second part David brought up is interesting because if you're not excited about tonight do you
10:57actually want this to just be over and you can focus on the Tigers I I'm I'm believe me what
11:03I
11:03would like after what this team has done to us this playoff series yeah yep I'd like you to drift
11:10away
11:10in outer space like George Clooney in that space movie cut the cord and drift into the darkness I
11:16don't even want to see him but I don't know that's gonna happen I'm convinced they're winning tonight
11:23and you go back down to Orlando and Wagner's not there I don't know man get into that fourth
11:29quarter against Orlando and have it be a tight game you know who the pressure's on Orlando Mickey
11:34Mouse and you know if you come back here for a game seven it's game over Rico Beard and a
11:39Founders quarter zip that is a wrap Mike hey listening to you I'm I'm I'm researching tickets for
11:44game seven I'll send you there for game seven you'll be our good luck charm but you gotta rock the
11:49Founders gear not not the red white and blue no okay Founders crest okay Teal Pistons hat oh boy
11:58and then you put Mason in a chokehold and you do the open I gotta wear that a god-awful
12:05ugly Teal hat
12:10248-539-9797 who side you on with this and if you think I'm talking Bula I'm on that crack
12:17like
12:17Whitney Houston you could say it I won't be offended because David's probably going to be
12:22right they're probably not going to do it I just think they have way better odds than the five
12:26percent that's being touted and if it was just five percent why are you only plus 200 well their
12:32best player went down but I have something that I want to add to to David's argument I'll give you
12:38that
12:38next
12:38you
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