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00:25So you've never done construction work before?
00:27No. Well, like I said, it's just stuff around the house, helping my ma, you know?
00:31Well, don't sweat it. There's nothing to it. And honest to God, you got the right build for it.
00:35Oh. Well, thanks.
00:37Just come inside, answer a couple of questions, and don't even think we'd like a job interview, okay?
00:50What, um, what's that smell?
00:53Oh, you know, probably a dead raccoon or something down in the crawlspace.
01:03Here you go.
01:04What's this?
01:05What the heck? It's an RC Cola. What the heck's wrong with you?
01:11Sorry. Thanks.
01:14Yeah.
01:17Full-time, part-time.
01:20I mean, I'll take as many hours as you can give me, you know?
01:24It just depends on what you want to do.
01:26PDM stands for Paint and Design and Maintenance, so, you know, there's all kinds of work to be done.
01:37You go to that bar a lot?
01:42Because I've never seen you in there before.
01:46Here.
01:48Hey, let me show you something.
01:58Are you Catholic?
01:59Wow.
02:05The only knot I remember from Boy Scouts.
02:11Turn it, get that.
02:12Wow.
02:14Gets real tight, don't it?
02:17Your handle turned purple, I leave it like that.
02:21Hey.
02:23Look at me.
02:26I want to show you a trick.
02:43Mmm.
02:45Mmm.
02:48Mmm.
02:49Mmm.
02:56Ah!
02:58Ah!
03:00Ah!
03:01Ah!
03:01Come on, man.
03:03Ah!
03:04Quit struggling.
03:06Ah!
03:08You do not want to piss me off.
03:11I don't want to piss.
03:11Trust me.
03:13Ah!
03:14You do not want to piss me off!
03:19Ah!
03:21Ah!
03:22Ah!
03:26Yeah!
03:28Oh God!
03:28Please God!
03:29Please!
03:29Oh, please God!
03:31God can't help you.
03:32Why?
03:33I'm God.
03:34Oh!
03:35Oh!
03:39Prison authorities in Illinois are preparing to execute one of America's most notorious serial killers.
03:45A federal judge on Wednesday ruled that the execution of John Wayne Gacy can go forward.
03:50He is scheduled to die by lethal injection on May 10th, giving the confessed murderer just two months more to
03:56live
03:56after a legal battle that has gone on for more than 14 years.
04:00Here now with more is Frank Currier.
04:03It was 1978 when the world first saw the horrifying images of body bags being pulled out of John Wayne
04:09Gacy's house near Chicago.
04:12And of Gacy, later convicted in the torture murders of 33 young men and boys, condemned to die.
04:18Thank God, you're finally gonna fry that guy.
04:21You do something like that, you don't deserve to live.
04:26Man's gonna burn in hell and not fast enough.
04:28He's the worst of the worst.
04:31He's not the worst.
04:33Who's worse than him?
04:37My neighbor.
04:41Oh.
04:43You ever smell a dead body, Linda?
04:46No.
04:47I have.
04:49Jeff was cooking them up next door.
04:51Smell came right through the vent into my house.
04:55Can't get it out of my nose.
04:58That smell.
05:13What the fuck?
05:16Sorry.
05:17My friend's sitting there.
05:20Fucking loony told, motherfucker!
05:22Calm down.
05:23I need to take care of you, spiky ass.
05:24Crazy.
05:3650 bucks for your autograph?
05:38No way.
05:40Come on, man.
05:41It's got to be worth at least what?
05:43A hundred bucks?
05:45That's gonna be a collector's item.
05:47I'll give you a discount.
05:50Hey, I'll throw in some of these porno pics these girls have been sending me.
05:55I got no use for them.
05:57Porno pics?
05:58Pussies hanging out, everything.
06:00Okay, JD.
06:04Sorry, fellas. Don't get me just because I'm getting a little sun today.
06:28Mmm.
06:38Yo, I'm tired of your disrespect, Alma.
06:41Disrespect?
06:42Fan of your food?
06:43The fucking sick ass joke selling your autographs like you some kind of celebrity or something?
06:48You think prison is a game?
06:49You think we here for your fucking amusement?
06:51Hey, man, I didn't mean any disrespect.
06:54I'm just trying to pass my time, same as you.
06:59You ain't the same as me.
07:00I've atoned for my sins.
07:03Whatever you did to get in this joint, it's clear that you got zero remorse.
07:07I'm a Christian, and I find your behavior offensive.
07:15Okay.
07:15Stop being an asshole and quit with your fucking games, alright?
07:18Hey, Garver.
07:19Let's take a walk.
07:27Jeez.
07:28And why exactly are you doing research on Mr. Dahmer?
07:31I'm not doing research on him.
07:33I just wanted to see what he did to get in here and see what the big deal about him
07:37is.
07:38Time spent in solitary has put me out of the loop, is all.
07:46Well, Mr. Scarver, according to the system, because of your psychiatric condition, your access to certain viewing materials is restricted.
07:53Look, like I told the doctors, certain food causes me to have these psychotic breaks.
07:59You know, bread, refined sugar, and all that artificial crap.
08:06Ever since I changed my diet and found Christ, I've been okay.
08:12I've been okay.
08:13Come on, Miss G.
08:15Pretty please?
08:18I've been okay.
08:27Come on, Miss G.
08:29Pretty please?
08:30Oh.
08:34Oh.
08:37Oh.
09:07Oh.
09:15So, good girl.
09:28You drank a lot.
09:30You drank a lot?
09:32Yeah, it was abusively.
09:35Yeah.
09:35Maybe that's where it began to go wrong for John Gacy.
09:38He doesn't know, nor does he seem to care.
09:41He loses himself in his paintings.
09:44This is Christ as I see him in myself,
09:48and it's monolithic because Christ to me is monolithic.
09:52He's all things to all people.
09:55You're not worried about facing God?
09:57I'm fairly comfortable with him.
10:00The Catholic services have been the servant for the priest for the last ten years,
10:06and I have no qualms about doing that.
10:09I've had confession, have communion, so I'm at peace with myself.
10:16John Gacy now faces death by lethal injection.
10:20Tomorrow night we'll hear how he's the victim for being found guilty.
10:24I've got to keep the answer.
10:37Can I talk to you a sec?
10:42Absolutely.
10:45So, why do you think there's so many of us now?
10:48You mean inmates?
10:50No, I mean, uh, guys like me.
10:55People they call, uh, serial killers.
11:01Well, I'm not sure anybody knows the answer to that.
11:07Some say it's the interstate highway system,
11:09a relatively new invention in the history of this country.
11:13You can kill somebody and disappear fast.
11:16Dump the body a thousand miles away.
11:19Or maybe it was World War II or Vietnam.
11:24Dad's coming back from the war.
11:25They're traumatized.
11:26Don't talk about it.
11:27They're absent, abusive.
11:29They raise troubled sons.
11:31There's also the explosion and wide availability of pornography,
11:34which wasn't the case until the 1970s.
11:43You believe there's such a thing as just being evil?
11:51I think you could probably guess that I do.
12:00You know, I went to church as a little kid.
12:09And then on Halloween, I went as the devil.
12:13And, uh, something felt good about that.
12:18Then I got a little older.
12:23And I made an altar to him.
12:27The devil.
12:29And I was planning on making a life-size one.
12:32That's what I was saving a lot of the body parts for.
12:37Even in movies, like Star Wars.
12:41And I always liked the bad guys more, you know?
12:46Well, so did I.
12:48But those characters are written better.
12:53Yeah.
12:56What do you really want to ask me, Jeff?
13:03Well...
13:07I was watching that, uh, that John Wayne Gacy on the news.
13:14And, you know, people say we're the same
13:17because we both did terrible things.
13:22But...
13:25I really think we're different.
13:27I admitted to everything.
13:30All of it.
13:33And...
13:33Gacy still says he didn't do it.
13:36I wanted the death penalty.
13:41And he was saying that he's not afraid to die
13:43because he's made his peace with God.
13:50And he's going to go to heaven.
13:55So, I guess my question is...
14:02Do you think God's forgiven him
14:05for all that?
14:10Are you asking about him
14:12or about yourself, Jeff?
14:18I don't think I deserve forgiveness
14:20for what I've done.
14:22Well, it's not about deserve, Jeff.
14:25That's the thing about grace.
14:26We don't deserve it, but we get it anyway.
14:30You know, Jesus wasn't alone
14:33when he was dying on the cross.
14:35There were two criminals
14:36that were being crucified with him.
14:38And one of them said to Jesus,
14:40kind of making fun of him,
14:42he says,
14:42Hey, if you're the Son of God,
14:45why don't you save yourself
14:46and save us while you're at it?
14:47But the other one,
14:49he shouts this guy down,
14:51says, hold on.
14:52You and me, we're criminals.
14:54We're getting what we deserve.
14:56But this guy, Jesus,
14:59he didn't do nothing wrong.
15:02Then he says to Jesus,
15:05Remember me when you come into your kingdom.
15:09And so, Jesus turns to him.
15:13And you know what he says?
15:16He says,
15:20Jesus didn't ask him
15:21what he'd done to get crucified.
15:23Didn't ask him if he was sorry.
15:24All this guy had to do to be saved
15:27was to believe that Jesus was the Son of God.
15:32And let us not forget, Heavenly Father,
15:36that you are a loving, merciful, and just God.
15:40And we ask that we may practice mercy and forgiveness
15:45in our own lives
15:46as you have shown mercy and forgiveness to us.
15:51In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
15:56Amen.
15:57Amen.
15:59Amen.
16:00Amen.
16:00Amen.
16:00And Sandra?
16:01She's good.
16:02About to have a second baby.
16:04Praise the Lord.
16:05A boy or a girl?
16:07We don't know yet.
16:08We fixing to find out next week.
16:10Well, give her my best when you see her.
16:12I will.
16:15So, why'd you want to see me?
16:20Well, Pastor,
16:24what you said in your closing prayer today
16:28about forgiveness,
16:31showing mercy,
16:32I know it's the Christian thing to do.
16:35And we all have fallen short.
16:37And at some point or another,
16:40we all deserve grace.
16:49But when it comes to Jeff Dahmer,
16:53I can't forgive him.
16:58Even though there may be something wrong with his brain,
17:02he couldn't control itself.
17:07I can't.
17:10My heart
17:13is full of hate.
17:17Mm, revenge.
17:20I thought him being in jail for the rest of his life
17:24would be enough.
17:28It's not.
17:34I want to see him suffer.
17:38I even have nightmares about it.
17:43And I see myself
17:45hurting him.
17:50Giving him pain.
17:53Making him
17:55beg for mercy.
18:00I'm scared, Pastor.
18:04I'm so scared.
18:08I just wish
18:10I could get past
18:11these feelings.
18:13You know?
18:14That, that, that, that,
18:16that, that I could stop
18:18living in vengeance.
18:21That, that I could get
18:22to a better place.
18:24Maybe,
18:24I don't know,
18:25maybe not forgiveness,
18:27but something close to it.
18:34because if I keep letting hate and anger
18:37consume me,
18:42I'm not going to know myself no more.
18:51You have a big heart, Glenda,
18:53which can be both a blessing
18:56and a curse.
18:58And you have every right
18:59to feel those feelings
19:01and think those thoughts.
19:02But how do I make them stop?
19:05You can't.
19:08You can't.
19:09All you can do
19:09is pray for strength
19:10and ask for God's guidance
19:13every day.
19:16And perhaps come to church
19:17a little more often.
19:20Yeah.
19:22Yeah.
19:24It's not going to happen overnight.
19:28It just takes time.
19:31And then one day,
19:33maybe a month from now,
19:35maybe a year,
19:38you'll see Jeffrey Dahmer's face somewhere
19:41and you won't feel a thing.
20:01Hey, David.
20:02Hey, Jeff.
20:03How you doing?
20:04Good to see you.
20:05You too.
20:06You look good.
20:07Thanks.
20:07You look healthier.
20:09I do?
20:09Yeah.
20:10Hmm.
20:12Maybe there's some pills
20:13they got me on.
20:14They give me that Prozac.
20:16Oh, yeah?
20:17Yeah.
20:18Well, you think it helps?
20:20Yeah.
20:21I think it helps even me out.
20:24There's no booze in here.
20:26I think that was a lot of my problem.
20:28Yeah, I think so, too.
20:32You miss it, the drinking?
20:35Oh, every hour of every day.
20:37Yeah.
20:38So, it's probably good
20:39I can't get in there, you know?
20:45Yeah, I was thinking about you and Sherry.
20:47You guys should maybe go on a vacation
20:49with all that book money.
20:51Oh, yeah, the book.
20:55Book didn't do so well, Jeff.
20:57The reviews were good.
20:59But, yeah, I understand why.
21:01I think a lot of people
21:04thought that I was trying to profit
21:06from the victims and whatnot.
21:08You know, it's not true.
21:09But what are you going to do?
21:11It was probably cursed from the beginning.
21:15So...
21:18Yeah.
21:24There's something I got to tell you, Dad.
21:27Something I'm planning on doing.
21:33I want to get baptized.
21:37Jeff, that's wonderful, son.
21:42I thought you'd be happy.
21:44Only problem is I don't got a baptismal tank in here,
21:47and, uh, wow, I still got to find somebody to baptize me.
21:51It's just... it's so great.
21:55That's so great.
21:57And, you know, uh...
22:03Baptism is all about washing away all your sins.
22:09Um...
22:09God forgiving you is one thing.
22:11I know he could do that, but, uh...
22:15I guess what I wanted to ask your dad is if, uh...
22:23If you could ever forgive me.
22:33I will.
22:36I'll forgive you, son.
22:41I do.
22:43I have.
22:47Because you're my son.
22:53Yeah?
22:54Yeah.
22:56That's good.
23:01Thanks, Dad.
23:22Hey there.
23:24Glenda.
23:25Thank you for coming.
23:27Thank you for inviting me.
23:28You loud folks, y'all know how to throw a wedding.
23:31Please, sit.
23:35Whiskey?
23:36Oh, no, I'm good.
23:38It's tradition.
23:40Okay.
23:52Ooh!
23:55That is strong.
23:57You may not have too many of these, or you might not even remember your son's way.
24:01But...
24:05I'm really happy for you, Suntang.
24:08You and your family deserve this.
24:10Especially after everything that's happened.
24:15Today's a good day.
24:22I try to be happy for my family.
24:26I smile.
24:28I try to be strong.
24:32I keep waiting.
24:34To feel like myself again before.
24:38But it just gets worse.
24:41Because every morning I get up.
24:43And I remember Jeffrey Dahmer still alive.
24:49But not Kunrak.
24:52Not my son.
24:54I get it.
24:58Maybe the best we could do is just keep pretending to be strong.
25:04And eventually one day, maybe we'll forget we'll pretend it.
25:20Come on, Suntang.
25:22Let's get out on this dance floor and show them how it's done.
25:25Come on, Suntang.
25:33Come on, Suntang.
25:34Come on, Suntang.
25:35Come on, Suntang.
25:36Come on, Suntang.
25:37Dahmer versus Jesus?
25:39Is this for real?
25:40It's the newest issue in his Jeffrey Dahmer series.
25:44Hmm.
25:44Just when you thought folks couldn't stoop any lower.
25:47It's sick.
25:48It's like they're making him into a superhero.
25:51Freedom of speech, my ass.
25:53I know, girl.
25:54Though to be honest, I'm not sure who should be offended more.
25:57Us or Jesus.
25:58So what do we do?
25:59Say we file another lawsuit.
26:01But we lost the last one.
26:03Aren't we just gonna lose again?
26:05There's a chance we might.
26:06Then is it really worth it?
26:08Are you saying that we should just forgive and forget what Dahmer did?
26:11And allow these folks to continue to profit off of him?
26:14Why expend all that effort to file another lawsuit if at the end of the day we lose again in
26:20court?
26:20Because it makes a statement.
26:23It reminds people that Jeff Dahmer isn't a superhero.
26:27He's a serial killer.
26:31It also reminds them that our sons weren't just Jeff Dahmer's victims.
26:36They were real people.
26:37They lived.
26:39They sang in the choir.
26:42Loved to dance.
26:44Teased their sisters.
26:46They were young men who had hopes and dreams for the future.
26:50And mothers.
26:53Who loved them.
26:57So even if we lose in court, if we can manage to get that point across, we win without winning.
27:09I know I'm not gonna read this.
27:11But I hope Jesus whoops Jeffrey Dahmer's ass.
27:27Don't look right at it.
27:29Put these on.
27:31Thanks.
27:32Really makes it hard to doubt there's a God, doesn't it?
27:36Total eclipse of the sun.
27:39The hour John Wayne Gacy's executed.
27:42Same day, Jeffrey Dahmer's baptized.
27:44We use this for rehabbing injuries and whatnot.
27:47Would this work?
27:49I believe it would.
27:52Anything else you need?
27:54I'm sorry, you're giving me everything I'm asking for.
27:56I thought this was gonna be a lot harder.
27:58Religion pacifies.
28:01You know, Warden, I spoke to him, and I'm gonna tell you what I told your chaplains here.
28:06Dahmer wants to be saved.
28:09It is genuine.
28:11John Wayne Gacy, do you have any last words?
28:14I don't know.
28:18How about...
28:20you all kiss my ass?
28:24How's that for last words?
28:27Where you going, J.D.?
28:29I'm getting baptized.
28:30Yeah.
28:32Good for you, Jeff.
28:38Oh, he's amazing.
28:42Come on, man.
28:52Come on.
28:53Come on.
28:53Come on.
28:53Come on.
28:53Come on.
28:53Come on.
28:56Come on.
28:58Come on.
28:59Right? Some lady in Oklahoma.
29:16Ah!
29:20Motherfucker, man.
29:28Jeff, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, for the forgiveness
29:41of sin.
29:43I don't know what to do. God Almighty, Heavenly Father, you've got to talk to me. You've got to tell
29:49me what to do.
29:51I don't know.
30:18Official time of death, 1258.
30:27Welcome to the family of God.
30:32Congratulations, Jeff.
30:35You're saved.
30:39Thanks.
30:43Lord, please.
30:46Just do what I gotta do.
30:49I'll do it.
31:20I'll do it.
31:22Work duty.
31:40So, J.D., what you gonna do with your 25 cents an hour?
31:44Blow it on porn?
31:47Cigarettes.
31:48Don't know.
31:50Probably just give it to the church.
31:52Well, that's fucking lame.
32:02You got me.
32:04I'm just fucking with you, man.
32:17Work duty.
32:18We'll pay it.
32:19Mmm.
32:31We'll pay it.
32:38Let's go.
32:38We'll pay it.
32:47What do we care?
32:50Hey, guys, you're getting some help this morning.
32:57Sure.
32:59Fine by me.
33:23I'm gonna clean the locker rooms. You wanna let me in?
33:26Okay.
34:13I'm gonna let you in.
34:14Aah!
34:23Jesse?
34:35What did you do to him?
34:38Don't cry for him.
34:42Dude murdered his wife.
34:44Stabbed him in the face five fucking times
34:45and tried to pin on two black guys.
34:49Ain't that some shit?
34:54But ain't nothing compared to what you did, though, Dalton.
35:04So you didn't just murder them.
35:07You desecrated their bodies and cannibalized their flesh.
35:12Answer me, Dalton!
35:14Did you really eat their flesh?
35:18Yes.
35:19Yeah.
35:22And that 14-01?
35:27Yes.
35:29What made you do it?
35:32Did you enjoy it?
35:34I was lost.
35:37I was lost.
35:37I turned away from God.
35:39So you believe in God?
35:41Yes, I do.
35:44I've returned to God.
35:48I feel changed.
35:58I believe in God too.
36:03But my God is a God of vengeance.
36:06He punishes evil.
36:08Been in it for a long time.
36:11And when he can't do it himself, he sends in vessels to execute his justice.
36:18The Lord spoke to me, Dalton.
36:23He asked me to punish you for all of them and his lives you took and the families you destroyed.
36:30You may convince yourself that God has forgiven you, but you can never escape God's wrath.
36:41It always catches up with you.
36:45Always.
36:49See?
36:51Thelma.
36:54I'm his vessel.
36:59I'm his vessel.
37:01I don't understand.
37:02I don't understand.
37:15Okay.
37:31You liked seeing a man in pain, didn't you?
37:44And that 14-year-old boy, you did them horrible things to him.
37:51I drugged him first so they wouldn't feel anything.
37:58Well, Dalton, you're about to feel every second of this.
38:03It's worth the first.
38:04Oh, sir.
38:04Thanks.
38:06Thanks to Scott.
38:06Thank you and I will be shields for the game.
38:07Thank you and the sound of this as we can.
38:08Thanks.
38:13I am.
38:15Thanks.
38:17Oh, God.
38:19With some of those of you.
38:20I know this.
38:22I am.
38:24We'll be a friend of you.
38:25You have to be a friend of me and my family.
38:25I am.
38:25Is this as the place as my family?
38:25Oh, God.
38:31You are tough?
38:32What is your friend?
38:58In the name of the Father, the Son,
39:03and the Holy Ghost.
39:11Amen.
39:34Hello?
39:36Speaking?
39:39Well, no.
39:40Okay, we'll be right there.
39:45Mr. Dahmer?
39:46Is he okay? Can we see him?
39:49Just, um...
39:51I'm afraid it's bad news.
40:02You know what?
40:08Yeah
40:10Okay.
40:18Oh, God.
40:36Don't move, don't move, I'm sorry, I got you, I'm sorry.
40:52Oh dear, I love you, I've loved you since the day before me, and I love you till the
41:12day that I die.
41:47What?
41:49I didn't say a thing, did I?
42:07I don't understand, Jeff's body's been cremated, they sent the remains to Sherry and me two weeks
42:13ago.
42:14Half his remains, the other half went to me, okay, his mother.
42:18After your son was killed, there was of course an autopsy, and when they do that, you know,
42:26the body is kind of...
42:27Dissected.
42:28Lionel knows all about that, he's who kind of sparked Jeff's interest in the subject.
42:32You're a piece of work, aren't you, Joyce?
42:34Guys, could we...
42:36The brain was removed to determine the cause of death.
42:41Now, Miss Flint feels that we have an opportunity here for something good to come out of all
42:46this.
42:46Scientists at Fresno State University would like to study Jeff's brain.
42:52Hold on, I don't understand.
42:54Where's his brain been all this time?
42:56I mean, where is it now?
43:00Madison, in the pathology lab at the University of Wisconsin.
43:07No way, no, no way.
43:09Lionel, please, just listen for once.
43:11He wrote a will.
43:13He said he wanted to be cremated as soon as possible, his whole body.
43:16You know, his brain's part of his body, okay?
43:19He said no open casket, no funeral, no headstone, no marker.
43:22If you care so much about Jeff's wishes, why'd you have a memorial service for him then?
43:27It was just a few family friends.
43:29But not his mother.
43:31Okay, the brain should be cremated.
43:34It should have been when the body was.
43:35We have a chance here, Lionel, to find out why he was the way he was.
43:40Was it something he was born with?
43:43Maybe there was some small tumor somewhere?
43:45Well, I think each of us has our own idea about why Jeff was the way he was, don't we?
43:50Oh, stop it. Shame on you.
43:51You know, they just did this very same thing with that, uh, John Wayne Gacy.
43:56They took out his brain, and they made slides and whatnot, and you know what conclusion they reached?
44:02Perfectly normal.
44:03Well, that's what they're gonna say about Jeff's brain, too.
44:05How do you know?
44:09Answer is no.
44:11Choice.
44:12Never gonna happen.
44:14No, I think we need to try to put this behind us.
44:17Quit dragging it out and just, you know, move on.
44:23Mr. Dahmer.
44:25Mr. Dahmer.
44:25This is something that Mrs. Flint will choose to pursue in court.
44:29Yeah, I bet you will.
44:33If you be good, I'ma let you watch cartoons when we get home, okay?
44:38All right.
44:39Let's see.
44:41I got Oreos, Chips Ahoy, and...
44:44Cookies! Cookies!
44:46Okay.
44:47Well, which one you want?
44:48All of them!
44:50I'ma get you two.
44:51And you know why?
44:52You're spoiled.
44:53And you know why you're spoiled?
44:55Cause you're ready, little rascal.
44:58Come on so you can help me put this stuff up there.
45:00You gonna be a big boy and help me?
45:08Next.
45:11The court recognizes a rather unusual situation here.
45:15It's one I certainly never encountered before and probably won't again.
45:19We have competing interests from the two parents of the deceased.
45:23I recognize the statement of wishes of Jeffrey Dahmer.
45:29And I'm also concerned with the issue of closure.
45:32This is a rather evil chapter in our human existence, so to speak.
45:38I believe it would be beneficial to the public and all concerned that there be closure.
45:45And that this matter is resolved once and for all, and we move on.
45:51And therefore, I hereby order the brain to be destroyed.
46:04I also have to say, I object to the very nature of this inquiry.
46:10When one considers an individual like the deceased,
46:14there is a temptation to try to know and know definitively
46:19why someone like Jeffrey Dahmer is what he is.
46:24Or was.
46:26I think there's a real danger there.
46:31There are no easy answers when it comes to someone like him.
46:38You'll never know why he did what he did.
46:46That's an uncomfortable truth to be sure, but it's one you need to accept.
47:04Thank you for seeing me today, Miss Yang.
47:07Of course, and I appreciate your patience, Miss Cleveland.
47:10I realize we had to reschedule a few times.
47:11Seven. I'm sorry?
47:13Seven times.
47:14That's how many times your office rescheduled this meeting.
47:17But it's okay.
47:19Like all those times I called the cops on Diamond,
47:22I'm used to having to be persistent.
47:25So, Miss Cleveland, how can I help you today?
47:28Well, I wanted to see how the progress was on the park.
47:34The park?
47:35Mm-hmm. The park memorial.
47:38I was told that the city was planning to turn the old Oxford apartments on 25th
47:43into a park after it was demolished.
47:46So I wrote your office a letter saying,
47:49y'all ought to make the park a memorial to Dahmer's victims.
47:52And you wrote me back a real nice letter.
47:55Signed your name and everything saying that you would look into.
47:58Yes, right.
47:59So anyway, I'm here on behalf of some of the victims' families to get an update.
48:04And I walked past there the other day, and it's still a vacant lot.
48:08I mean, I...
48:10It's been nearly two years.
48:11So I'm checking our system, and it seems we're still waiting on some permit approvals.
48:16How long do those take?
48:18Well, it's hard to say until Public Works finishes its safety inspection,
48:22which they can't start until the city planning department starts their inspection.
48:26Ms. Yang, all we are asking for is a damn park.
48:31That shouldn't be that hard.
48:33We're not asking you to build a Taj Mahal.
48:35Ms. Cleveland building anything in this city involves a lot of red tape.
48:39I realize it's frustrating.
48:43But can I be honest?
48:46There are a lot of people here who don't want to build anything on that lot.
48:51They just as soon forget what happened.
48:53Not everybody can forget.
48:56Y'all demolished the building, but that don't erase what happened.
49:00It only erases the victims.
49:03And all we are asking is that y'all put something on that site that honors their memory.
49:09It's the right thing to do.
49:11It's the decent thing to do.
49:14So will you please discuss this with your supervisor or whomever can do something?
49:20Ms. Absolutely.
49:21And I will do everything in my power to help expedite that process.
49:25But from my experience, these things take time and I'm afraid that you and the families are probably going to
49:30have to wait a little longer.
49:35But that's all right, Ms. Yang.
49:38Because I'm used to waiting.
49:41I am determined to see this through for the victims.
49:46For the families.
49:48I ain't gonna let Jeff Dahmer and his evil be the only thing folks remember.
49:54As long as I have breath, I'll keep waiting.
49:57That's okay.
49:57I firmly.
50:13That's okay.
50:15I'm sorry.
50:17I'm sorry.
50:19I'm sorry.
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