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Jordyn Tyson has major upside but some huge injury red flags. Tate has a high floor but limited ceiling. What about Makai Lemon?
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00:00Jordan Tyson, in my opinion, the most talented wide receiver in this draft class.
00:07But he is perhaps the most significant and discouraging red flag injury player at the top of the board.
00:15That's the fear that teams are going to have. Are you willing to roll the dice?
00:19It's boom or bust. It is a risk-reward proposition, Danny.
00:24He's got a chance to strike up the band. He went for 1,100 yards in his healthiest season.
00:29He played 12 games once in college football, and he averaged 15 yards per catch and caught 10 touchdowns in
00:36a 75-catch season.
00:37Last year, played in just nine games, went for 700 yards on 61 grabs.
00:42Wasn't quite at the same level, but if you turn on that 24 tape, you're not going to see him
00:49doing much than anybody else in this class can do.
00:51There is a subtlety and genius to his route running.
00:56And again, I'm not a receiver coach, and I don't know more than what I'm told in these videos,
01:00but you watch these little movements to set up defenders that look helpless trying to cover him.
01:05And he wants to get to the out route so it doesn't just go up and turn to the right.
01:09There's subtle inside setting up. There's shoulder dips, and there's all sorts of body control things.
01:14He's explosive. He's quick. He's strong. He makes contested catches.
01:17He toe taps on the sideline. He's explosive. He's quick.
01:20He's also been hurt so badly.
01:22And it's not a couple nagging soft tissue things here and there.
01:25It's major injuries. This has torn everything that you've got in your knee.
01:30It's that broken collarbone. A lot of people think that's a one-off.
01:33That's now more vulnerable than your average bear to have that happen again.
01:37He had hamstring issues to both legs in 2025.
01:40This is just a guy that has been hurt so much.
01:44And it's not the nagging thing like Adebo Samuel with that questionable, you know, next to his name in fantasy.
01:50This is major, major stuff.
01:52He's the classic guy that I'd be too scared to draft with a high pick.
01:57But I do not want my rivals to end up with him.
01:59I do not want him to be an eagle or a giant or a cowboy.
02:03I cannot handle that because he's so talented.
02:06He's so good, but he's always so hurt.
02:08It feels like he'll only be healthy against Washington.
02:10He's big. He's 6'2".
02:12I mean, he's got everything.
02:1478th percentile height.
02:16His weight over 200 pounds is above average, 55th percentile at the NFL level.
02:21Doesn't have very long arms.
02:22Actually, you know, comparative to other receivers, lower 13th percentile.
02:26Hand size, similarly, well below average.
02:29So he's not necessarily your typical, like, contested catch maven who's going to make every catch with guys hanging off
02:36of him.
02:36But when you watch him, one thing he does, he attacks the football.
02:40That sounds like a scouting term, like I'm almost cringing saying it.
02:43No, but you can see it.
02:44You watch it, you see it.
02:45He goes and gets, it's like a vulture style with his hands.
02:48He really hands catches over body catches.
02:51He's also strong.
02:53Do you realize he did 26 bench press reps?
02:56As a wide receiver, that's 99th percentile.
02:58You're not going to find a receiver as strong as this dude.
03:01Again, 6'2", N18s, historical comparison size-wise.
03:06And in terms of some of the numbers would be like a faster version of Michael Wilson from Stanford,
03:11who's turned into a heck of a player in Arizona.
03:13He's about a little bit bigger, but about the same size as Jackson Smith and Jigba in Seattle as well.
03:20Tyler Johnson's another guy that came out, very comparable frame to him.
03:24But here's one problem on Jordan Tyson.
03:27Danny, go ahead and tell people as I pull up his draft chart about all of the measures that we've
03:32got on him so far this season.
03:33I'm going to go ahead and do it.
03:36Give me his 40 time?
03:37Yep.
03:39His 10-yard split?
03:40That was...
03:41His vertical jump and his broad jump?
03:42You know what he got in those was...
03:44He didn't do a whole lot, man.
03:46Nothing.
03:46Because of health, notably, and for whatever other decision that he made, he basically said,
03:52watch the tape.
03:53That's me.
03:53I'm Jordan Tyson.
03:54And the tape's really, really good.
03:56Tape is good.
03:57Started at Colorado.
03:58He was one of those guys.
03:58Dion came in and said, I'm bringing in Louis Vuitton, so you guys are gone.
04:01He didn't realize he had Louis Vuitton sitting in the room.
04:04But then he goes to Arizona State where he finishes the last three years.
04:07Only played three games in 23, and then, as I said, missed time in 25 as well.
04:12Here's the injury history as best.
04:14I've seen it posted.
04:16November 22 at Colorado, season-ending knee injury, had a multi-ligament tear.
04:22That's why in 2023, he only played three games recovering from that injury in 22.
04:27Then in November and December of 24, his penultimate college season, upper body injury against Arizona,
04:32had to wear a sling, and he missed the rest of the season and had surgery.
04:36So I think that's kind of fluky.
04:37You know, when you talk about an ACL, that happens.
04:39Now you've got this upper body thing with a sling.
04:42But the problem for me was 25 this past year,
04:45where he had the hamstring injury against Texas Tech, missed multiple games,
04:48it flared back up, it became a reoccurring issue.
04:51A lot of times those don't go away.
04:54Actually, if they draft him, one of the things I want to do is get Santana Moss on the show
04:57next week
04:58because Tana, early in his career in New York,
05:00had that hamstring groin, hamstring groin.
05:02Never, ever, ever able to shake the hammy and the groin.
05:05I don't think the Jets would have traded him if not for it.
05:07And he ended up coming here with the training staff and however he did it,
05:28times everything.
05:29We've talked about this with Carnell Tate.
05:30He's probably a 4.5 guy.
05:32That's plenty of speed.
05:33Tyson, because he's a little more twitched up, I would think would be faster.
05:36But if you look up his 40 time, like Google AI will tell you,
05:40somewhere between 4.35 and 4.53.
05:42Yeah, between 1 and 100, I guess.
05:44It's like cool, I guess.
05:45So there is a lot TBD, the data that we don't have.
05:50I'm sure the teams and some of their workouts and their pro days
05:53and the things they were able to do got all the intel they needed.
05:55But he's a harder guy to peg for us because we don't have a lot of information.
05:59So do you feel like I do in the I just can't do it at 7
06:03and I also don't want the Giants to get him?
06:05Do you feel that?
06:06I definitely don't want the Giants to get him, so I'll co-sign on that.
06:11I do not want to take Jordan Tyson at 7.
06:16But Ryan Clary, former producer, Grant and Danny radio program,
06:20here's my big but.
06:22If they do, I'm going to be pumped.
06:25Oh, God.
06:26Oh, I'm so nervous.
06:27I wouldn't do it.
06:29But if they call Jordan Tyson's name, I'm going to go Adam Peters.
06:34You got basketballs in your pants.
06:36Honor Brewing.
06:37Honor Brewing.
06:37If you guys can hear me, this is Danny Rouye.
06:39I will be inside you in a couple of hours.
06:42It's a family program, by the way.
06:44I'm just saying.
06:44That's where I'm going to be.
06:44I'm going to be at the establishment.
06:46If Jordan Tyson is the pick, I'm going to need a dessert stat.
06:50You hear me?
06:51Oh, my God.
06:51I'll be so nervous.
06:52I'll need to eat my feelings with sugar.
06:54I need there to be sugar in it.
06:56Maybe some chocolate.
06:57Maybe something cakey.
06:58I don't know.
06:59Maybe it's a pie.
07:00I don't know here.
07:01If Jordan Tyson is the pick, I need sugar.
07:04I'm going to make a point now, and you're going to despise it.
07:08Oh, God.
07:08Okay?
07:08What are you going to do?
07:10If they take a receiver at seven, it should be Tyson, not Tate.
07:15Oh, man.
07:15I don't despise it.
07:17Because what's the point of this?
07:18What's the point of this?
07:19Is it to be okay or to be great?
07:20This is the difference between you and I in this draft.
07:23And I actually think it's not how I would consider us in life.
07:27But you want Tate because it's a little safer and you don't have to worry?
07:31That's precisely why I'm not in love with Tate.
07:34I think Tate is floor, not ceiling.
07:36I think Tyson, the floor, could be lower than the ground.
07:41He could play three games and be a huge bust.
07:44Yep.
07:44He has a much higher ceiling.
07:46And I would put Mackay Lemon in the same category.
07:48If I'm ranking the three guys to draft at seven, I would go Tyson, Lemon, very close, and then Tate.
07:56Now, at 15, I feel a little bit differently.
07:58If they took Carnot Tate at 15 after a tradeback, great, no problem.
08:03You got yourself an awesome number, too.
08:04But I'm standing in the batter's box.
08:07I'm in the arena.
08:08I'm the man in the arena.
08:09I'm Casey at the bat here.
08:10I'm swinging for the fences, man.
08:13Tyson could be a baller.
08:15Lemon could be a Monra St.
08:17Lemon.
08:18I just don't see Tate being a superstar.
08:21I think if Terry walks and, like, Tate is the face moving forward, you're still looking for the, like, number
08:30one X.
08:30You're looking for your chase.
08:31In the next couple of years.
08:33There's an incredible scene in the social network where Justin Timberlake's character meets Mark Zuckerberg and his crew.
08:41And talking to Eduardo Saverin.
08:44You ever see somebody with a picture in their home of them catching a bunch of small, medium-sized fish?
08:49They're standing next to a 3,000-pound trout.
08:51And, of course, you can't have a 3,000-pound trout.
08:53That's as much as a Range Rover.
08:54But the point is, you're standing next to the big fish.
08:57That's what that is.
08:58That's the philosophy there.
08:59That's the swing big, if that's kind of the point of trying to nail one at the top of the
09:03draft.
09:04To me, it's just too risky.
09:05If you're the Giants, you've got two picks.
09:07You can do it.
09:07If you're Washington, you can't have this pick not hit.
09:12You see what I mean?
09:12I just think there's too much risk there for me to want to do it.
09:15I understand your point.
09:16And I don't even know that I disagree with most of it.
09:18I just happen to have a higher opinion of Tate than you do.
09:20But that's secondary to the point.
09:23This group is so under-talented.
09:25They have been for multiple years.
09:26They got away with it in year one.
09:28That I just have to have this guy be someone I can count on.
09:32If this was a, man, if this dude hits, we're great.
09:35Even if this guy does hit, they're not great.
09:37If this guy doesn't hit, it's a disaster.
09:39So, until last night, there had been 6,242 credible mock drafts done.
09:47And I say credible, which is kind of humorous and oxymoronic because nothing really is credible.
09:51That is it, yeah.
09:52Short of just calling up all the actual GMs, there's not a good mock draft.
09:56But Daniel Jeremiah might be number one in a draft of guys who talk about the draft.
10:02That'd be a really funny exercise.
10:03Draft the drafters?
10:04Yeah, you just draft draft talkers.
10:06Daniel Jeremiah might go one-one.
10:08He did the mock last night that for the first time had Jordan Tyson to the commanders.
10:14This was Jeremiah on NFL Network.
10:16We have the Washington commanders.
10:18They need another weapon.
10:19They need someone to put out there with Terry McLaurin.
10:22And here you've got Jordan Tyson.
10:23Both guys.
10:36A little bit of a concern, but it's worth the risk for the commanders as they try and get some
10:39more weapons around Jaden Daniels.
10:42So, that's the argument from Daniel Jeremiah.
10:45Danny will go back to the game we played with Baldy on Jeremiah Love.
10:49Good take or good headline?
10:51Take.
10:52It's a good take.
10:53You can see it happening.
10:54I can see it happening.
10:55Wow.
10:55Now, that doesn't mean I'm calling it.
10:58I don't think that's likely, Isaiah.
11:00But I do think that could be a reasonable thing.
11:04It may be chum.
11:07It may be bait in the water for somebody to, you know, move up there to snag him.
11:12Someone that's counting on Jordan Tyson to fall to them in the teens.
11:14Say the Jets.
11:15Say the Cowboys.
11:16They wouldn't take him.
11:16You wouldn't think.
11:17But you never know what they're going to do.
11:19But maybe that's, you know, bait right there.
11:22A la Tom Hardy in the dumb remake of Mad Max.
11:26But maybe that's a real thing because the point stands.
11:29They need weaponry, right?
11:31And who's a better weapon than maybe the most talented receiver in the class?
11:34So your word's going to be nervous or something.
11:36I won't play word association.
11:37But, like, give a letter grade to that pick, A through F, if they were to take Jordan Tyson.
11:42I know.
11:43How would you feel?
11:43You're trying to pin me down.
11:45Well, because you're going to do the both sides of your mouth bit.
11:47I know I am, Grant.
11:48You want a weapon.
11:48Give me a receiver.
11:49Just don't give me the best receiver who gets hurt a lot.
11:52Yeah.
11:52The guy that gets hurt a lot.
11:54Yes.
11:54The guy that's always hurt.
11:55He's never been hurt in Washington yet.
11:57Just pretend like Josh Doxon and all those other guys never happened.
12:00That's what you have to do.
12:01This is Malcolm Kelly's return of knees.
12:06B.
12:06So you'd like it.
12:08Yeah, I'd like it, but I'd have to go into my pillow fort.
12:12Every time the guy takes the field.
12:13Every practice, I'm sitting there cringing.
12:15You know who you will have to do the show as if they draft Jordan Tyson?
12:20Milton will have to break down that pick.
12:23Yeah.
12:23Of course he will.
12:24Well, here we go again.
12:26Don't say his name three times or he breaks an ankle.
12:30Jordan Tyson, Jordan Tyson.
12:32No one else could say it.
12:33That's a heavy.
12:35That's what it is.
12:36Tobes, Jordan Tyson.
12:38Number seven.
12:39I know you're anti-Jeremiah Love.
12:41Let me see if I can get you on this weapon.
12:44Can we get a little common ground here?
12:47Yeah, B+.
12:48You're in.
12:49Yeah.
12:50I'm fine with a weapon if it's a wide receiver.
12:53Who would you rather take, Tate or Tyson?
12:57Probably Tate because he's safer.
12:59And I agree with Danny.
13:00You just can't miss on this.
13:02I understand you want to swing for the fences,
13:03but I'm not going to look back and be all that disappointed
13:07if Tate is going for $1,100 and Tyson stays healthy
13:10and goes for $1,400 elsewhere.
13:12I'll just say, yep, I went with the safer option,
13:14and I got the safer option.
13:15You got good instead of great.
13:16Correct.
13:17But that's worth it to you.
13:18Yes, yes.
13:18And by the way, it's not a lock.
13:20I mean, this is just my opinion.
13:21It sounds like you shared the opinion,
13:22but I just think Tyson, if they both peak,
13:26if they both hit their apex, I think Tyson's a little bit better.
13:29I'm going to say on Daniel Jeremiah, it's a good headline.
13:34I don't remember who told me this.
13:36It's one of those things where we're months into this where now,
13:40whether it's listening to different draft people or asking people
13:43or talking to people with the team and around the league or whatever,
13:45you can't remember who to subscribe to, give credit for what, prescribe what to.
13:52But somebody said somewhere along the lines to me,
13:56like, if the commanders take a wide receiver, it's got to be Carnell Tate.
14:00And I said, why is that?
14:01And they said, what David Blau wants to do, Carnell Tate will do.
14:06Like, he is the fit schematically in terms of digging things out in the run game.
14:11I know I talked about Tyson's size, right, but in terms of as strong as he is
14:16and as big as he is, like, Carnell Tate at Ohio State,
14:18some of the asks of him in that pro offense,
14:20you can kind of see it in Blau's offense opposite Terry right away.
14:25Being a willing blocker, being helpful in that capacity,
14:29doing some of the stuff in the middle of the field, crosses, drags, digs.
14:32And it kind of makes sense.
14:33Like, Tate in that Ben Johnson, Kevin O'Connell-looking offense,
14:37I can totally see that, whereas Tyson feels a little bit more like a Terry almost,
14:44you know, Terry's role, whereas Tate's a better complement.
14:48So that's why I think if we're looking for a fit
14:52and we don't really know what the offense is going to look,
15:10people are treating it for the most part,
15:12and this is smarter people than me, I'm not ripping anybody,
15:15as this ho-hum, plodding, boring, yeah, he's fine,
15:20I guess, you know, if you can't do any better, this is kind of the option.
15:23I just have too much faith, and it's probably ill-founded,
15:25but I just have too much faith in the guy that was the number two,
15:29the number three, even the number four, McLaurin's case at Ohio State,
15:32thriving in the professional ranks.
15:33So here's what I want you to do for me.
15:35Help me.
15:36I want to see what you see in Tate.
15:38Give me a play to watch.
15:40Give me a game to watch.
15:41When I watch him after the catch, and at the same time,
15:45as I'm watching a Tyson or a Lemon, it doesn't look the same.
15:48Now, that doesn't mean he doesn't make great plays.
15:50His tape is really, really good.
15:51It looks different.
15:52It looks like a more, like, oh, he ran a clean route.
15:55He's very technical.
15:56He made a nice catch.
15:57He throttled it down against that zone,
15:59and then he got tackled, or then he, you know, fell forward,
16:03or whatever.
16:03The other guys, it's like, oh, they just caught the ball.
16:06The show is starting.
16:07Where's my popcorn?
16:07That's right.
16:08What play am I watching to see that with Carnell Tate?
16:11If there's a Buckeyes fan out there, Wes,
16:13you've got to be listening somewhere, who's producing our show tonight,
16:15send me the play.
16:16I just, there's not a lot of that, and that's what I covet.
16:20That's what I want is the catch is cool.
16:23Yep.
16:24What do you do after that?
16:26And that's where Jordan Tyson starts his day.
16:29That's where Makai Lemon just wakes up.
16:33He goes, oh, it's time to get to work.
16:34I should probably play make.
16:36Just caught a pass.
16:37Now I'll just run around and make four guys miss.
16:39But I think there's room at the table for everybody.
16:42I think Carnell Tate is, to me, and I always hate when people do what I'm about to do,
16:46because it means you think they're as good as these guys that have all sorts of deposits
16:49in the bank in the NFL, but I see him as kind of a cross between Devontae Adams,
16:54around the same size, around the same 40 times, same athletic profile, and Tee Higgins.
16:58Those are not yak guys as much as, say, like, I don't know, a prime Stephon Diggs
17:04or, you know, Tyree Kale or whoever.
17:06But to me, there is a huge place at the table for that guy too, right?
17:11The touchdown making, toe tapping, sideline, never dropped a pass.
17:15The dependability makes me so happy and thrilled.
17:17You're right.
17:18He's not going to win, you know, all the – you give him a bubble screen,
17:22and he goes to the house kind of thing.
17:24That's not really who he is.
17:24He's not a punt returner that's got the football in his hands.
17:26He'll get you seven if it's carved up for six.
17:28And that's kind of my idea.
17:29I want that also.
17:31And I understand that maybe it makes him not a superstar to Stum,
17:33but to me he has solid star potential.
17:38Not superstar, I'm not telling you he's Jamar Chase.
17:39I don't think those guys grow on trees.
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