- 12 hours ago
Cade Cavalli was throwing a gem last night...but the Nats took him out after 6 IP and 84 pitches when a 3-0 lead swelled to 6-0. JP and BMitch both wonder why Washington didn't let Cade go any deeper, and what it says about the current state of analytics surrounding baseball!
Category
🥇
SportsTranscript
00:00I was leaving Channel 4 and had the Nats game on the radio, and Cavalli's throwing a gem.
00:06I got to Millie's, they had O's Yankees on TV, which I got to watch the end of that.
00:10I wasn't there very long.
00:11But, Cade Cavalli last night dealt.
00:15He was cooking.
00:15He had 10 strikeouts through the first four innings.
00:18Had a shutout through six, 11 strikeouts.
00:22That's on the heels of him taking a no-no into the seventh in his last outing.
00:27And they pull him with 84 pitches through six innings.
00:32Listen, man, I said to you a long time ago, I believe that more pitchers get hurt today
00:38because all the geeks want to tell you how long they can pitch.
00:42Instead of allowing them to pivot a pitch longer in full games,
00:46which means their arms, in essence, will get a lot stronger.
00:50And they stop guys in the fifth innings most times.
00:53And when they let them go past the fifth, a lot of them just get hurt.
00:57Mark Zuckerman, we both know and really respect his reporting.
01:01As this was happening last night, because I tweeted out,
01:03please let him keep pitching.
01:05And I got some of the nerds responding to me that I'm an idiot.
01:07Some people agreed with me.
01:09I looked to Zuck's Twitter.
01:11He said, Cade Cavalli is indeed done after six scoreless innings,
01:1411 strikeouts, and only 84 pitches.
01:17He threw a career-high 103 pitches last time out.
01:20And the organization is mindful of the fact that he's never pitched a full MLB season before.
01:26Okay.
01:28Let him pitch.
01:30Let him get into the seventh.
01:32Most guys don't pitch full season because they are not allowed to.
01:36Not that they can't.
01:37Or not that they can't get stronger.
01:39Like, I don't care.
01:41People don't tell me about all the new stuff.
01:45There were guys pitching doubleheaders back in the day.
01:49And they played 17, 18 years.
01:55The average pitcher today plays how many years?
01:58I have no idea.
01:59They all have Tommy John.
02:01I'm glad.
02:02Nowhere close.
02:03And even today, I believe they try to force guys to get Tommy John.
02:07Because for some reason, dude comes back with Tommy John and looks like he's a damn $6 million man.
02:11He comes back with a damn bionic arm.
02:12So, 800-636-1067.
02:15800-636-1067.
02:18Here's my question.
02:20Are they being responsible or is this too much?
02:23It appears they're going to.
02:26I don't.
02:27This 160 innings seems to be a very important metric for Cade Cavalli.
02:33Right now, he's at 142 and two-thirds.
02:36His next scheduled start is Monday night against the Rockies.
02:39Kerwin, we don't have practice that day.
02:41I kind of think we should go cover it because this kid may be turning into an ace.
02:45Okay?
02:46Blake Butera, after the game last night, said,
02:49We're trying to be responsible and reasonable when we can keep his innings count down as much as we can.
02:54But we're also trying to win games.
02:56So, going into that, we're trying to find spots to get him out maybe after six.
03:00But at the end of the day, it's hard to take him out of games.
03:04Luckily, Chaparro gave us that big three-run shot to give us a little more breathing room.
03:07It was 6-0 when they pulled him.
03:09And, to their credit, the bullpen was nails.
03:13They came in and just shut that thing down.
03:16But this kid is a big, strong, young man.
03:19I mean, this is who they draft.
03:21This is who Rizzo drafted.
03:23Like, for him to be this kind of pitcher.
03:26Yeah.
03:26And I just, I don't know, man.
03:29Like, let him pitch.
03:31Maybe people think I'm crazy.
03:33I think like you, Jay.
03:34You can certainly weigh in on the force.
03:36I think like you.
03:36I watch a lot of stuff today.
03:38And everybody wants to limit everything.
03:40And the thing that kills me is this.
03:43Football guys are doing less.
03:46Baseball, we don't let the pitchers go farther.
03:48But the guys from back in the day played much longer.
03:51Think about that.
03:52Somewhere along the line, somebody found some numbers to make themselves more of a part of this game.
04:00But they're not getting the production that they were getting out of guys when they were doing it the barbaric
04:05way.
04:06Cade Cavalli, 6'4", 230, was a first-rounder out of University of Oklahoma.
04:12Like, I'm not a Neanderthal.
04:15I'm not saying he's got to throw a complete game shutout.
04:17Although, I think that would be really cool.
04:19At least let him have the seventh.
04:22He had 84 pitches.
04:24Stallion, I'm guessing you think I'm wrong.
04:31So, what I think right now, number one, there's got to be a little bit of context.
04:36The Nats are out of it.
04:37They're not pushing for a postseason spot.
04:40So, that's number one.
04:42And then, number two here, Cade Cavalli missed two years.
04:46Coming off Tommy John surgery, and yes, like, he's 100% healthy now.
04:50The guy is absolutely dominating.
04:52But also, it's kind of the same thing.
04:57It's obviously a little bit different.
04:59But when Jaden Daniels was shut down, like, if the Commanders were in a playoff push and Jaden was healthy
05:05after taking that hit in Minnesota,
05:07he would have been playing the last couple of weeks of the season.
05:09But they decided to shut him down.
05:11And, again, they're not shutting down Cade Cavalli.
05:13Are they going to shut him down when he gets to 160 innings?
05:17That's probably two more starts the way he's going?
05:20Maybe three?
05:21I mean, I wouldn't imagine they would.
05:23Three or four games the way they're going to pull him down.
05:25I think what they'll do is probably go to a six-man rotation and space out his starts and just
05:30kind of keep over, like, his pitch limit.
05:32Like, you don't want to overwork these guys for a season of which, like, it's just difficult.
05:38Because, number one, the injuries that he had, man, he missed two years of pitching.
05:43And he came back last year, made 10 starts.
05:45He had some rehab outings.
05:47Looked decent overall.
05:48And this season, in the second half, he's absolutely taken off.
05:52But when the Nationals shut down Steven Strasburg back in 2012, like...
05:56People disagree with that, too?
05:57That was...
05:58They were in the playoffs.
05:59And they were in the playoffs.
06:00But, like, they had to do that because that's what the medical people say.
06:05That's what Scott Boris said.
06:07That's why they did it.
06:08Hey, I think a lot of it, though, man, baseball is so much about having control.
06:13They're going to do whatever they can to keep control.
06:15Is Cavali a Boris guy?
06:17No, he's not, actually.
06:18So, that's, I think, a pretty integral part.
06:21But I just feel as if that, listen, like, was the guy dealing?
06:26Absolutely.
06:27If the Nationals were in a postseason push, he'd be pitching until the eighth inning.
06:31But you've got to shut him down at that point.
06:33Like, at Europe 3-0, or 6-0, hand it over to your bullpen.
06:37And I know it's really scary to hand it over, but he went a hundred...
06:42The bullpen was good last night.
06:43The bullpen looked good.
06:43Will Dion came in, looked really good.
06:45One of their new guys they got in the Foster Griffin trade.
06:48I think that the Nationals kind of played it right, honestly.
06:51Like, I don't want to push it with Cavali.
06:53He's looked so good, and you just simply can't afford any injury with him moving forward.
06:58And I get it.
06:59So, now, in other words, now I think the bubble wrap they got into baseball, too, huh?
07:03I mean, all I hear every day from people your age and younger is everything I hear from the same
07:09geeks.
07:10Just keep everybody down.
07:12But then, by the time their career is over, you've never seen them give their absolute best.
07:17Because you know why?
07:19Because all y'all want to shut them down for every damn thing.
07:22It's interesting, too, with Stallion that he's adamant Jaden needs to play Saturday in Detroit,
07:27but it's cool with Cavali getting pulled after 84 pitches in six innings.
07:31Stallion is a part of the damn geeks.
07:35I'm just telling you.
07:36My guy Talk Nats is saying Cavali should get Cy Young votes.
07:40Where are we at on that?
07:41If they let him pitch, he probably can win it.
07:43Now, the way Baseball Writers of America or whatever the BBWAA, whatever that thing is,
07:48they vote for the Cy Young.
07:50Do they?
07:51Because I know, like, for MVP, you give, like, ten people.
07:53Do you do that for the Cy Young, too?
08:00Stallion?
08:00Hello?
08:02Oh.
08:03I don't know.
08:04I want him to pitch.
08:06But I get this injury history is significant.
08:10Let's go to Ned in Virginia.
08:12Ned, what did you think of Cavali getting pulled last night?
08:15I didn't disagree with it because the problem is it's a baseball problem.
08:22They're having these guys go max effort on every pitch,
08:25and that's what's leading to injury.
08:27Instead of learning how to pitch, you know, it's the old Bull Durham.
08:31You know, stop trying to strike everybody out.
08:34Throw some ground balls.
08:35It's more democratic.
08:37If you can get a nine-pitch inning and get a ground ball and a fly out,
08:43you're throwing split-finger fastballs and sliders all the time.
08:49That is incredible stress on the arm.
08:51And you're trying to throw fastballs above 96, 98, 100,
08:57instead of trying to throw 92 or 93 and getting guys out with the seven players
09:04that are behind you.
09:07I guess, man.
09:09I don't know.
09:10I get it.
09:11The other –
09:12Cash for the summer was letting it fly.
09:15I wonder if this organization views Cavali as the ace going forward.
09:20Like, is he your opening day starter next year?
09:22Like, when they traded for the kid early from the Red Sox,
09:25who still hasn't pitched, by the way, the conversation was,
09:29oh, he could be a really good, like, third starter.
09:32So, I don't know who the top starter is,
09:35but the way Cavali is pitching right now looks like he could be that guy,
09:39which I do think is pretty damn exciting.
09:42Like, I'm going to make a point of Monday watching this young man pitch.
09:47Which is – it's exciting when it starts to become appointment viewing.
09:54If they stretch – I mean, we're what?
09:56Late August now?
09:57Yep.
09:58August 20th.
09:59Their season's over end of September.
10:02Maybe that's four more starts if they really start to space them out.
10:05Maybe five.
10:06Let's go to Steve in Fredericksburg.
10:08Would you think of Cavali getting pulled in the middle of an absolute –
10:11Jake, go there.
10:12Steve, what are you doing, dude?
10:15Like –
10:16Well, we know what he thinks.
10:18We know what he thinks.
10:19Steve disagrees.
10:20I understand how much they're trying to protect this and protect it.
10:24If they were really trying to just overly protect the kid, I understand.
10:30I think this is about always putting the team in a point of being in charge a little bit longer.
10:37And –
10:38You're saying, like, arbitration kind of stuff.
10:39All that type of crap.
10:41But my thing about it, bro –
10:44The call who called to talk about, guys were pitchers back then.
10:49Today, most pitchers are throwers.
10:51They just get up and let it fly all the time.
10:54Instead of being able to throw a ball at 98 right now, come back with a curb,
10:59and then hit them with one of them dumbfounded.
11:01Oh, it's at 70 miles per hour.
11:02They swing and put the ball, get there.
11:05As good as those guys were in Atlanta for how long they were good, they weren't throwing no heat.
11:11They knew how to position the damn ball.
11:14Everybody – and he's absolutely right.
11:16They get guys in here and want them to throw it like that all the time, but they pull them
11:20in and out of the game.
11:21Then you never find out how strong they all can be anyway.
11:23Anyway, one other thing I'm curious about, and I'm curious if you're curious about,
11:30CJ played short last night, had a hell of a defensive stop in the field.
11:36Has CJ Abrams played second since the news came out he was going to play second?
11:41Because it seems like he's just playing short still.
11:43He has not played second base yet, and it was – it's going to be a week from tomorrow
11:49when they announced that he was moving to second.
11:51I think that's interesting.
11:54Hey, like what the guy just said and we had to drop,
11:59that's exactly what I think about all that noise they're throwing over there.
12:03It's a bunch of crap.
12:06Nats are back on the diamond tonight, 8 o'clock on – I guess you can watch it on FS1.
12:13That's kind of cool.
12:14You can certainly watch it on Nats TV.
12:19But, listen, we both said and agreed, CJ has a right to be pissed.
12:25He just started the all-star game at short stuff.
12:29And then –
12:30At the position, they say he can't play, real, real.
12:33I –
12:34I wonder –
12:35So, in other words –
12:36I wonder if that pushback has been –
12:38If he is that good –
12:39If he was good enough to get into the all-star game,
12:44either baseball has just screwed up on one end or people just –
12:47They overdo everything about all of these advanced stats and this, that, and the other.
12:52You're looking a little too deep.
12:54Or is it just, oh, we don't want to have to pay you $42 million?
12:57Let's see if he's going to be a little too deep.
12:57Let's see if he's going to be a little too deep.
12:57Let's see if he's going to be a little too deep.
12:57Let's see if he's going to be a little too deep.
12:58Let's see if he's going to be a little too deep.
Comments